Draft and College 2020

by Lowetide
Carter Savoie was drafted by the Oilers out of the AJHL at the 2020 draft.

At some point, Carter Savoie will play hockey for the University of Denver, honing his skills at a school that once housed a teenage Glenn Anderson in his draft year. I call this ‘draft and follow’, as NHL teams select players from tier 2, Europe and US Prep Schools before they head to college and two to four years of development. Here’s a look at ‘draft and follow’ so far this century.

THE ATHLETIC!

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DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2000-2004

2000—D  Jason Platt in the 8th round. Drafted out of Omaha (USHL) after 18-year old season. Attended college at Providence and signed with the Oilers after full four years in NCAA. Turned pro at 23, peaked with 109 AHL games.

2001—C Eddie Caron in the 2nd round. Drafted out of Phillips-Exeter Academy (USHS) after 18-year old season. Attended college at New Hampshire, transferred but it got derailed or he left Dodge and he turned pro with Greenville Grrrowl at age 22. Peaked with 54 ECHL games.

2001—C Jake Brenk in the 5th round. Drafted out of Breck School (USHS) after 18-year old season. Attended Minnesota State-Mankato all four years, turned pro at 23 by signing in Holland. Became an NHL referee.

2002—D Matt Greene in the 2nd round. Drafted out of Green Bay (USHL) after 18-year old season. Attended UND for three seasons, turned pro at 22 by signing with the Oilers. Greene would play in the SCF’s that season and enjoyed a long NHL career (615 games).

2002—G Glenn Fisher in the 5th round. Drafted out of Ft. Saskatchewan (AJHL) after 18-year old season. Attended U Denver for four years, and turned pro with the Oilers age 24. Peaked with four AHL games.

2002—L Patrick Murphy in the 7th round. Drafted out of Newmarket (OPJHL) after 18-year old season. Attended Northern Michigan for four years, and turned pro at age 23 by signing with Laredo (CHL). Played five games at that level.

2003—R Colin McDonald in the 2nd round. Drafted out of New England (EJHL) after 17-year old season. Attended Providence College for four years, turned pro at 22 by signing with the Oilers. He played 148 NHL games and is still playing NA pro.

2003—R David Rohlfs in the 5th round. Drafted out of Compuware (NAHL) after 18-year old season. Attended Michigan for four years, turned pro at 23 by signing with the Oilers. Peaked with seven AHL games.

2004—C Geoff Paukovich in the 2nd round. Drafted out of USNDTP after 17-year old season. Attended U Denver for three years, and turned pro at 21 by signing with the Oilers. Peaked with 109 AHL games. Oilers traded Jason Chimera for the draft pick that was used for Paukovich.

DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2005-2009

2005—C Andrew Cogliano in the 1st round. Drafted out of Toronto St. Mike’s (OPJHL) after 17-year old season, he played at Michigan for two years and turned pro at age 20 with the Oilers. Currently at 1,012 games and counting, he is the class of the group in NHL games. He would be an interesting addition to the current team.

2005—D Taylor Chorney in the 2nd round. Drafted out of Shattuck-St. Mary’s (USHS) after 17-year old season, he played for UND for three years and turned pro at age 21 with the Oilers. He is at NHL 166 games, he is playing in Austria and is productive (6, 3-3-6) early in the year.

2005—C Robby Dee in the 3rd round. Drafted out of Breck (USHS) after 17-year old season, he went to Omaha (USHL) for two years and then college (Maine) for four years before turning pro at age 24 in the ECHL. Peaked with three AHL games.

2005—C Chris VandeVelde in the 4th round. Drafted out of Moorhead (USHS) after 17-year old season, he went to Lincoln (USHL) for one year and then college (UND) for four years before turning pro at age 23 by signing with the Oilers. He played 278 NHL games in his career, finishing up in Austria 2018-2019.

2005—L Matt Glasser in the 7th round. Drafted out of Fort McMurray (AJHL) after 17-year old season, he stayed another year in the USHL and then hit college (U Denver) for four years before turning pro at age 23 in the CHL. Peaked with 116 CHL games.

2006—D Jeff Petry in the 2nd round. Drafted out of Des Moines (USHL) after 17-year old season, he stayed another year in the USHL and then hit college (Michigan State) for three more years before turning pro at age 22 by signing with the Oilers. Currently at 680 games, I think he’d go first overall in a re-draft of the names on this list.

2007—C Riley Nash in the 1st round. Drafted out of Salmon Arm (BCJHL) after 17-year old season, he attended Cornell (NCAA) for three years before turning pro at age 21 by signing with the Carolina Hurricanes (he wouldn’t sign with Edmonton, Tambellini traded his rights for the pick used on Martin Marincin). Currently at 541 NHL games.

2009—D Troy Hesketh in the 3rd round. Drafted out of Minnetonka (USHS) after 17-year old season, he did not progress.

2009—D Kyle Bigos in the 4th round. Drafted out of Vernon (BCJHL) after 20-year old season, he attended Merrimack College (NCAA) for four years before turning pro at age 24 by signing with the San Jose Sharks. Peaked with eight AHL games.

DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2010-2014

2010—F  Kellen Jones in the 7th round. Drafted out of Vernon (BCJHL) after 20-year old season, he attended Quinnipiac (NCAA) for four years before turning pro by signing with the Oklahoma City Barons for his 24-year old season. Peaked with 175 AHL games, currently playing in the Allsvenskan.

2012—C Jujhar Khaira in the 3rd round. Drafted out of Prince George (BCJHL) after 17-year old season, he attended Michigan Tech for one year and Everett (WHL) for one year and he turned pro with the Oilers at age 20. Has played in 218 NHL games.

2013—F Aidan Muir in the 4th round. Drafted out of Victory Honda Midget (MWEHL) after 17-year old season, he played with Indiana (USHL) for a year before heading to Western Michigan. Muir played four college seasons, Oilers did not sign him to a pro deal.

2013—L Evan Campbell in the 5th round. Drafted out of Langley (BCJHL) after 20-year old season, he played with UMass-Lowell (NCAA) 2013-17. Played in one AHL game.

2014—D William Lagesson in the 4th round. Drafted out of Frolunda (Swedish Juniors) after his 17-year old year, he played the following season in the USHL before heading to the NCAA UMass-Amherst for two years. Edmonton brought him along slowly, he has played in 8 NHL games since arriving in pro hockey (North American version) 2018 fall.

2014—L Liam Coughlin in the 5th round. Drafted out of Vernon (BCJHL) after 19-year old season, he stayed there for an extra year before playing college hockey for Vermont. Now property of the Chicago Blackhawks, he has played in 2 AHL games.

2014—F Tyler Vesel in the 6th round. Drafted out of Omaha (USHL) after 20-year old season, he signed with Edmonton in 2017 and peaked with 72 AHL games. Now playing in the Allsvenskan.

DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2015-2019

2015—Caleb Jones in the 4th round. Drafted out of the US National Development Program (USHL), he changed gears and played for Portland (WHL) for his two post-draft seasons. He developed well in Bakersfield and has now played in 60 NHL games. He doesn’t qualify as draft and college (no college), but I included him because he was in this pool on draft day.

2015—John Marino in the 6th round. Drafted out of the South Shore Kings (USHL Pr), he moved up to the USHL in draft +1 (won Clark Cup) and then Harvard where he progressed in a support role. He did not sign with Edmonton forcing a trade. Marino now plays for the Pittsburgh Penguins and has 56 NHL games on his resume.

2016—Matt Cairns in the 3rd round. Drafted out of Georgetown (OJHL), he couldn’t get into the lineup in the USHL (not a good sign) so played in the BCHL to complete his year. Played sparingly in freshman season with Cornell 2017-18, more in year two and then not much in his junior year. He transferred to Minnesota-Duluth for his senior year.

2016—Graham McPhee in the 5th round. Drafted out of the US National Development Team, he attended Boston College and played a support role. Like Dillon Simpson, McPhee arrived in college very young (he was drafted while 17). He played four years in college, did not sign with the Oilers and is now playing in Vienna of the Austrian league.

2016—Aapeli Rasanen in the 7th round. Drafted out of the Finnish Jr leagues, he played for Sioux City of the USHL. He also had an uneven college career at Boston College, leaving after his junior year. He is 5, 1-2-3 in the Liiga so far in 2020-21.

2017—Skyler Brind’Amour in the 6th round. Drafted out of the U.S. National Development Team, Brind’Amour went to a lesser league (BCHL). He played two pedestrian seasons there, but held his own as as a freshman with Quinnipiac. We await the next chapter.

2017—Phillip Kemp in the 6th round. Another player drafted out of the U.S. National Development Program, Oilers spent several picks on that team during the Chiarelli years. Kemp has a defensive reputation, he has been effective at Yale in a shutdown role, adding some offense in his junior year. Has NHL potential according to Craig Button.

2018—Michael Kesselring in the 6th round. He’s a big man with raw skills, he played his draft season in a New Hampshire high school and draft +1 season in the UHSL. Played his freshman year at Northeastern and looks like he may have a chance at an NHL career. Absolutely a player to follow.

2019—Tomas Mazura in the 6th round. Confusing prospect, like Kesselring drafted out of a New Hampshire high school (which used to happen more frequently although maybe Ken Holland is bringing it back). He was 18 on draft day, turned 19 that September and is now 20 playing in Liiga-U20 league in 2020-21 (3 games, 1-2-3). Hard to assess him based on these satellite leagues he’s playing in.

DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2020-2024

2020—Carter Savoie in the 4th round. He’s off to Denver, that’s a fine program and Savoie should be playing with talent for two or four years. He’s the most offensively talented forward since Cogliano, possibly before. This will be an interesting career to follow.

THE FACTS

Since the turn of the century, Edmonton has

  • chosen 35 ‘draft and college’ players
  • 11 men have played in the NHL
  • 22 have been chosen after their 17-year old season
  • 8 have been chosen after their 18-year old season
  • 1 has been chosen after his 19-year old season
  • 4 have been chosen after their 20-year old season
  • The 19-year old (Coughlin) was chosen in the MacT era
  • Two of the four 20-year olds (Campbell and Vesel) came in the MacT era
  • All of the 20-year olds were chosen from 2009-2014 (Tambellini, MacT).
  • Peter Chiarelli’s choices on this list were all chosen after 17-year old seasons.
  • The best players from this group—Matt Greene (18), Andrew Cogliano (17), Jeff Petry (17), Riley Nash (17), Caleb Jones (17) and John Marino (17) were chosen after 17 or 18 year old seasons.
  • Only two first-round picks were in the group: Andrew Cogliano and Riley Nash.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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JimF

Wasn’t McPhee signed by Bakersfield?

leadfarmer

I wonder how much the drafting of players choosing the college route and being able to be free agents without owing any time to the team that drafted them has effected the position where they were drafted in the past.

rickithebear

Successful Oilers College Signings.
(18/19 to 19/20 stats) for (13 x 31) evmin fwds..
Benning #11 High danger/ open SH density reduction Dman, ( MacT, Bucky)
Caggulia #204 fwd 19 evg 95 gm; Top 90 fwd 0.97evg/60; top 75 fwd 13.38 SH%
Both critical fits for My Champ roster core proof.

Oilpower

Should Halloway be on the 2020 list?

rickithebear

An important moment in Canadian First Nations history is happening.
As a Top 50% Neanderthal DNA person.
We must push to get all monies given to Indigenous colonial occupiers be returned to First Nations Neanderthals.
Having come into Treaty agreement with British crown based on False land claims of historic Neanderthal lands.

Show me the Money!😉

hunter1909

I always wonder how Anderson would do had he been drafted by another team.

godot10

leadfarmer:
I wonder how much the drafting of players choosing the college route and being able to be free agents without owing any time to the team that drafted them has effected the position where they were drafted in the past.

One holds the rights of college players for 4 years. One holds the rights of CHL players for 2 years. That helps more of them get drafted earlier in the draft, especially since they do not have to be paid in the interim also.

leadfarmer

rickithebear:
An important moment in Canadian First Nations history is happening.
As a Top 50% Neanderthal DNA person.
We must push to get all monies given to Indigenous colonial occupiers be returned to First Nations Neanderthals.
Having come into Treaty agreement with British crown based on False land claims of historic Neanderthal lands.

Show me the Money!

And here we thought you were a bear
Or is it a Neanderthal bear

leadfarmer

godot10: One holds the rights of college players for 4 years.One holds the rights of CHL players for 2 years.That helps more of them get drafted earlier in the draft, especially since they do not have to be paid in the interim also.

But a CHL player reenters the draft and only if they are unselected do they become a free agent. So they are more likely to sign where the team that drafts them gets to pretty much keep their rights for entry level and RFA contract. College can go straight to free agency and go wherever. Even KHL players like Kaprizon cant sign with who they want to like college players can

godot10

leadfarmer: But a CHL player reenters the draft and only if they are unselected do they become a free agent.So they are more likely to sign where the team that drafts them gets to pretty much keep their rights for entry level and RFA contract.College can go straight to free agency and go wherever.Even KHL players like Kaprizon cant sign with who they want to like college players can

A CHL player can do the same thing. Be free after being drafted the first time after two years. If they are drafted again, be free again in another two years. i.e. a CHL player can sign anywhere he wants after four years just like a college player.

I believe NHL teams only hold the rights of drafted European players for four years also. If Berglund had not signed a contract with the OIlers last summer, he would have become free to sign with whomever he wanted.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

What the actual fuck is ricki talking about now?

OriginalPouzar

The college route vs. the CHL for development is an interesting conversation to have these days and to see where it goes over the next decade.

Outside of the first round, I’m starting to really value the college route as it gives the team’s a longer runway to allow the player to develop before needing to sign. First rounders drafted or going to college will generally be signed early, within the two years that the CBA allows for signing CHL drafted player, however, outside of the first round, if a player is in college, it allows the org a long timeframe to make a decision on a pro contract and, when that player turns pro, they are generally a bit older and likely more value during their ELC.

dustrock

Brogan Rafferty’s Uncle Steve:
What the actual fuck is ricki talking about now?

He was talking about some recent dig in the US (I think) where they found evidence of Neanderthal DNA, so he started joking(?} about everyone in North America, including indigenous peoples, having to cede first peoples rights to those with Neanderthal DNA, including, whodathunk, Ricki himself.

I’m just not sure why he’s still talking about it.

leadfarmer

Brogan Rafferty’s Uncle Steve:
What the actual fuck is ricki talking about now?

First North Americans may have been Neanderthals so what we did to the Native Americans is acceptable to him

Bruce McCurdy

Lowetide: No, he was drafted out of Wisconsin. This is a list of players who were drafted from feeder leagues.

How many first-year eligibles have Oilers drafted directly from their college program? Holloway seems a rare bird in this respect.

Yeti

Troy Hesketh, we really snuck one there.

Todd Macallan

Bruce McCurdy: How many first-year eligibles have Oilers drafted directly from their college program? Holloway seems a rare bird in this respect.

Dillon Simpson out of UND comes to mind also but yes, few and far in between indeed.

Material Elvis

Brogan Rafferty’s Uncle Steve:
What the actual fuck is ricki talking about now?

I picture this as one of LT’s article headlines some day.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

rickithebear,

Cagguila?

LOL

You posted his evgf, how about his evga?

Guy was the epitome of looking busy while getting nothing done (at best), if not actively putting the team behind.

Reja

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
rickithebear,

Cagguila?

LOL

You posted his evgf, how about his evga?

Guy was the epitome of looking busy while getting nothing done (at best), if not actively putting the team behind.

He layed out some big hits and was effective against us in the play-ins.

leadfarmer

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
rickithebear,

Cagguila?

LOL

You posted his evgf, how about his evga?

Guy was the epitome of looking busy while getting nothing done (at best), if not actively putting the team behind.

One of the best examples in the league of why its what you create minus what you give away
Cause Caggula give everything away

BornInAGretzkyJersey

leadfarmer,

I just had a peek at his GF-GA on puckiq, which is (I believe) all game states, and not 5v5 as I had mentioned prior. Even so, it’s not a good look.

Season, team, GF-GA, diff
2019/20, CHI, 22-27, -5
2018/19, CHI, 18-14, +4
2018/19, EDM, 16-22, -6
2018/19, total, 34-36, -2
2017/18, EDM, 27-40, -13
2016/17, EDM, 21-18, +3
total, 104-121, -17

Yeah.

Cassandra

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
rickithebear,

Cagguila?

LOL

You posted his evgf, how about his evga?

Guy was the epitome of looking busy while getting nothing done (at best), if not actively putting the team behind.

You are forgetting that this isn’t hockey, but table hockey.

D have no effect on goals for.
F have no effect on goals against.

Also there are no forwards, no one plays with F1, F2, and F3, rather the positions are strict, centers play in the middle of the ice on offense and should be compared with other centers who all play the same way by slamming the pole toward the rink to smash in those passes and rebounds, wingers on the other hand are stapled to the boards and should be compared with a winger baseline. Now this logic of comparing wingers to wingers doesn’t apply to defense who should not be compared to defense for their offensive value because D have no effect on goals for (see above).

Also there are shots that have 0% chance of going in. We know these shots have zero chance of going in because they are “closed” shots. And we know these shots are closed because they hit the goalie. They don’t teach that kind of logic in the humanities.

Open shots on the other hand, shots that are directed to the open part of the net, those that don’t hit goalies, they have a chance to go in. Defense that prevent open shots well by, having an electro magnetic field that directs toward the goalie (i.e. closed shots) are more valuable than rovers, guys that abandon the box to chase offense. Alternative explanations (like for instance these defense play more against guys who shoot into the goalie (i.e. closed shots) need not be considered because all of this was proven in a past life during all night sessions on hfboards where all the proofs are to be found.

Also many unnamed NHL scouts and insiders agree with this infallible logic and mathematical proof.

Appendix:

A series of meaningless numbers.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Cassandra,

Brilliant.

*slow-clap

ChiliChunk

Cassandra: slamming the pole toward the rink to smash in those passes and rebounds

That was my go-to move in table hockey. Completely infuriated my brother.

Side

Cassandra,

If you had a blog devoted to interpreting Ricki and his theories I would read it every day.

OriginalPouzar

No Dylan Holloway listed……. am I missing something on the list.

Interesting conversation: who has had the better overall career – Jeff Petry or Andrew Cogliano. Seems LT votes for Petry – he probably batted higher in the order than Cog but damn Cogs made a career for himself.

Hopefully in 15 years, Holloway is in this conversation….

OmJo

OriginalPouzar:
No Dylan Holloway listed……. am I missing something on the list.

Interesting conversation: who has had the better overall career – Jeff Petry or Andrew Cogliano. Seems LT votes for Petry – he probably batted higher in the order than Cog but damn Cogs made a career for himself.

Hopefully in 15 years, Holloway is in this conversation….

If that question is being asked in the context of who’s the better player, then yeah Petry is the obvious answer.

But Cogliano has 1000+ NHL games, 100 playoff games, and got a sniff of the Stanley Cup. I think he’s had a better career so far.

Kinger_Oil.redux

hunter1909:
I always wonder how Anderson would do had he been drafted by another team.

– I always wonder how the Oil have done if they hadn’t drafted MacT Amd Lowe

– Certainly we would have won all the same Cups and certainly their ineptitude wouldn’t have slowly bled the Oil dry for a decade when their playing careers were over.

– I mean sure without them there is no CMD but post-cups I do wonder what competent managers would have created.

OriginalPouzar

Oilers looking good on some early Cup odds:

https://twitter.com/chartinghockey/status/1317835193898721281?s=21

OriginalPouzar

Lowetide: Yes. Dylan Holloway was drafted out of Wisconsin. These are players who were drafted before they attended college.

Oh, I see – thanks and sorry.

digger50

I disagree on Drake.

He is a high energy player, hes game, he forechecks, hes a good skater and a bit of a pest. Like many before him, there wasn’t enough talent to help him keep his head above water.

Hes a complimentary winger, his give a dam factor was higher than 80% of the Oilers during the play in and he looked good for Chicago. As I look at our roster I see him as up upgrade over several.

Im okay with him, hes an honest player, gives what hes got.

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer:
I wonder how much the drafting of players choosing the college route and being able to be free agents without owing any time to the team that drafted them has effected the position where they were drafted in the past.

NHL teams actually own the rights of CHL drafted players for a much shorter time period than those attending college (assuming normal draft age).

If a CHL drafted player isn’t signed within two years he either becomes a UFA or re-enters the draft (depending on age and when). NHL right’s for a college player extend through their senior year.

Outside of the first round, where players are likely to sign early, I see the benefit of drafting out of the college ranks – no rush to sign, they have a place to play for 3-4 years whereas a junior player likely only has 1-2 years of junior eligibility (sometimes 3 with over-age).

Oilers sign Ryan Mantha after he wasn’t signed by the Rangers and became a UFA and played an over-age season in the CHL.

OriginalPouzar

Good arrow on Lindewall as he’s been called up to Allsvenskan and playing for Modo (after lighting up the J20 Nationell for the first part of the year).

buck yoakam

what about thornton picking # 97 for the leafs…speed kills

godot10

buck yoakam:
what about thornton picking # 97 for the leafs…speed kills

Joe marking his property. Hey. Connor. Hey Captain Underpants. Hey Johnny. There is a new sheriff in town. “Get off my lawn.” Alpha move from the old man.

Oddspell

I don’t know if this is the sort of thing that is appreciated here, but according to Oilers reddit, Dominik Kahun has just started following The Oilers on various social media platforms. The only NHL teams he follows are the ones he’s played for.

Not a sure thing, but seems like we may have signed a winger?

Eh Team

OriginalPouzar: Interesting conversation: who has had the better overall career – Jeff Petry or Andrew Cogliano.

Well, one’s a first pairing D man. The other a 3rd line winger.

dcsj

Kinger_Oil.redux,

Kinger_Oil.redux: – I always wonder how the Oil have done if they hadn’t drafted MacT Amd Lowe

???

I thought the Oilers got MacT in a trade? From Boston? Or is my memory off?

hunter1909

Kinger_Oil.redux: – I always wonder how the Oil have done if they hadn’t drafted MacT Amd Lowe

– Certainly we would have won all the same Cups and certainly their ineptitude wouldn’t have slowly bled the Oil dry for a decade when their playing careers were over.

– I mean sure without them there is no CMD but post-cups I do wonder what competent managers would have created.

This is the equivalent thinking that led me to finally learn that WW1 is what fucked up Western Civilization; not WW2 or the aftermath.

The trouble is, how can you get fired up at events that took place over a century ago.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Kinger_Oil.redux,

I wasn’t going to say anything but I think you’re vastly underrating Vish, both on the ice and off. He was a leader, a glue guy. Might not have had the point totals of some others, but his role was significant and it was important.

Guys like Mess and Gretz have referred to Lowe as “the adult in the room.”

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer: But a CHL player reenters the draft and only if they are unselected do they become a free agent.So they are more likely to sign where the team that drafts them gets to pretty much keep their rights for entry level and RFA contract.College can go straight to free agency and go wherever.Even KHL players like Kaprizon cant sign with who they want to like college players can

They don’t always re-enter the draft – it depends on age.

Jarett Stoll re-entered the draft.

Ryan Mantha became a UFA.

hunter1909

I was just reading up on Taylor Hall going to Buffalo, but then they start writing about Kreuger getting fired by that idiot MacT then Chicken Hawk replacing him and I had to close the virtual page.

buck yoakam

godot10,

This…coupled with an all canadian division…might be one of the oddest but entertaining seasons of hockey we have seen

Harpers Hair

buck yoakam:
godot10,

This…coupled with an all canadian division…might be one of the oddest but entertaining seasons of hockey we have seen

Agents are being told to expect a 50 game season from January to the end of April.