No Way Out

by Lowetide

How often does a rookie NHL forward post a poor offensive season and then recover enough to play on a high skill line? Let’s use 1.50 even strength points per 60. Did Ales Hemsky post a low number early and then improve? Gagner? Hall? Or do the offensive forwards show themselves early, like right out of the box?

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2000-01 (Oilers scored 243 goals)

  1. Mike Comrie 2.52
  2. Shawn Horcoff 2.24
  3. Dom Pittis 1.24
  4. Brian Swanson 0.82 (small sample)
  5. Michel Riesen 0.63 (small sample)

The two men who would enjoy careers of some length (over 500 games) showed up immediately and had an impact. Reminder, these are even strength totals.

2001-02 (Oilers scored 205 goals)

  1. Jason Chimera 1.65 (small sample)
  2. Brian Swanson 0.98 (small sample)
  3. Jani Rita 0 (small sample)

Chimera was not a promising scorer at 20 in the AHL but he got better every year. He was a burner too, and that helped.

2002-03 (Oilers scored 231 goals)

  1. Ales Hemsky 2.26
  2. Jani Rita 2.22 (small sample)
  3. Fernando Pisani 2.13
  4. Jarret Stoll 2.00 (small sample)
  5. Jason Chimera 1.90

Hemsky was a teenager but my God he had ridiculous skill. Pisani took about 50 games to find the range in the AHL and then he figured out how to score goals at the highest level. Stoll had early success and Chimera again unlocked enough offense to survive in the league.

2003-04 (Oilers scored 221 goals)

  1. Jarret Stoll 1.39
  2. Peter Sarno 1.19 (small sample)
  3. Mike Bishai 0.98
  4. Tony Salmelainen 0.51 (small sample)
  5. Jani Rita 0 (small sample)

Stoll is a little shy here but he grabbed a lot from his point shot on the power play so wasn’t in offensive jeopardy until later in his career.

2005-06 (Oilers scored 256 goals)

  1. Marc Pouliot 0.92 (small sample)
  2. Brad Winchester 0.54 (small sample)
  3. Kyle Brodziak 0.00 (small sample)
  4. Jean Francois Jacques 0.00 (small sample)

This is the season Edmonton had the Stanley run, not much room for rookies but Pouliot had a shot until mono derailed him.

2006-07 (Oilers scored 195 goals)

  1. Brad Winchester 1.19
  2. Marc Pouliot 1.17
  3. Patrick Thoresen 1.15
  4. Zach Stortini 0.31
  5. JF Jacques 0.00

That damnable points per 60 is the prospect separator alright, large pack of geese flying south here.

2007-08 (Oilers scored 220 goals)

  1. Curtis Glencross 2.93
  2. Andrew Cogliano 2.37
  3. Sam Gagner 1.97

A trio of men who could deliver offense as rookies, Cogliano has passed 1,000 games and Gagner is well over 800. None of the three worked out as hoped for the Oilers but they arrived with plenty of offensive ability.

2008-09 (Oilers scored 228 goals)

  1. Rob Schremp 4.19 (small sample)
  2. Liam Reddox 1.56

Reddox was a surprising player, he did some good things despite being undersized and a tweener. He got into 100 NHL games. Schremp had mad skills, but two strikes (he wasn’t fast and he wasn’t so gifted that the coach would overlook his indifferent checking) kept him out of the league save for a little over 100 games. In the right situation, he could have had an NHL career.

2009-10 (Oilers scored 206 goals)

  1. Ryan Stone 1.32

He was a trade pickup and had some good games, but wingers on the Oilers were about to get a lot of qualified competition.

2010-11 (Oilers scored 191 goals)

  1. Taylor Hall 1.85
  2. Jordan Eberle 1.81
  3. Linus Omark 1.76
  4. Magnus Paajarvi 1.39
  5. Ryan O’Marra 1.10
  6. Teemu Hartikainen 1.01
  7. Chris VandeVelde 0.70

Brilliant talents led by Hall and Eberle, the team overall was beyond terrible but the kids had all kinds of ability. Remain surprised at how Omark, Paajarvi, Hartikainen and VandeVelde’s careers rolled out, good and bad.

2011-12 (Oilers scored 207 goals)

  1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.93
  2. Chris VandeVelde 1.51 (small sample)
  3. Teemu Hartikainen 1.36
  4. Ryan O’Marra 0.96
  5. Anton Lander 0.60

Nuge arrived with all kinds of talent and scored well at evens, better on the power play. VandeVelde showed well in a small sample size.

2012-13 (Oilers scored 123 goals)

  1. Nail Yakupov 2.18

He had a tremendous finish to his rookie season, missed a lot of appreciation because so much happened so late. Management and coaching change, erratic shot obscured a useful offensive weapon.

2013-14 (Oilers scored 199 goals)

  1. Mark Arcobello 1.79 (small sample)
  2. Tyler Pitlick 0.67 (small sample)
  3. Luke Gazdic 0.62

Arcobello signed a two-way (AHL-ECHL) contract coming out of college, he was below the Zamboni driver on the depth chart. He worked his way up and played extremely well in his NHL debut.

2014-15 (Oilers scored 193 goals)

  1. Andrew Miller 2.43 (small sample)
  2. Leon Draisaitl 1.05
  3. Tyler Pitlick 0.58
  4. Iiro Pakarinen 0.38

The Leon Draisaitl number is misleading, he played in bad luck and then got sent down. He’s an example of a player posting less than 1.50 per season and then blossoming. However, he’s innocent (with an explanation). He’s also the only true example of what I described at the beginning of this conversation on the entire list.

2015-16 (Oilers scored 192 goals)

  1. Connor McDavid 3.00
  2. Iiro Pakarinen 1.14
  3. Jujhar Khaira 0.78 (small sample)
  4. Anton Slepyshev 0.64 (small sample)

McDavid being the class of the group is the least surprising number on this list. Beyond reason as a hockey player. Pakarinen had a surprising shot, he beat goalies clean a few times.

2016-17 (Oilers scored 243 goals)

  1. Jesse Puljujarvi 1.44
  2. Anton Slepyshev 1.33
  3. Drake Caggiula 1.10
  4. Jujhar Khaira 0.66

Notice the massive jump in goals by the team in McDavid’s first full season, and by this time Draisaitl is having a major impact. The Puljujarvi number is encouraging, not so far from 1.50 and remember he was a teenager.

2017-18 (Oilers scored 229 goals)

  1. Pontus Aberg 1.94
  2. Kailer Yamamoto 0.97

Aberg looked good but he couldn’t remain in the lineup due to off-ice issues, and Yamamoto was too young to be in the league.

2018-19 (Oilers scored 229 goals)

  1. Josh Currie 1.65
  2. Joe Gambardella 1.48
  3. Colby Cave 0.52
  4. Kailer Yamamoto 0.30

Currie looked good, always wondered if the team should have given him another shot. Gambardella showed well too, another guy who might be worth a long look.

2019-20 (Oilers scored 223 goals)

  1. Tyler Benson 0.87

He settled in after a few uneven games, I’m hopeful he finds a way to get a full season of NHL hockey in with the Oilers before they have to make a decision on him. Final year of waiver ineligibility is coming up. Is he established enough to clear that bar? I think he needs to show a few things before that point is reached.

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Brantford Boy

So if Jesse Puljujarvi can shine like Draisaitl and post Ales Hemsky numbers and stay out of the Drake Caggiula basement we’ll be set, right?

Of course, you can’t realistically post 2.26 on the 3rd line. I think reasonable would be a Sam Gagner once he moves up with the skill forwards.

hunter1909

Hall started off and continues to be dynamite.

Once he wins a cup all will be revealed.

dustrock

That consecutive 0.00 by JF Jacques must be user error, right? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

dustrock

At least Rob Schremp can tell his grandkids “would you believe I had better 5v5 scoring than Connor McDavid in our respective rookie seasons?”

pts2pndr

There is a very real change for the better going on in the organization as a whole! Management and coaching seem to be more cohesive in their approach to developing players in the AHL which in turn affords value contracts for the NHL team. The NHL coaching staff seems willing to give the young players coming up from the farm a true opportunity to win a roster spot by putting said players in a position to succeed. I believe last year was an indicator of what, we the fan base can expect which is that even without trades or signing UFA’s the team will be able to improve year over year due internal growth.

hunter1909

If I was coaching the Oilers McDavid starts the season as the very first player of a brand new position in ice hockey – sweeper.

That way, anytime the ice is near the Oilers goal McDavid is nearby, then once he clears the crease rushes up ice carrying the puck making David Beckham style passes to the constellation of attacking forwards currently gracing the lineup.

hunter1909

PS: Possibly Draisaitl can also play “sweeper” to help the team to totally destroy the opposition on an ongoing basis.

Jordan

Is not the Yamamoto sample size in 2018-19 small? I would have thought we’d be looking at the 2019-20 number as his actual number, like with Stoll earlier on in 00’s

By the same token, isn’t Drai’s number in 14-15 also small sample?

I guess what I’m saying is I’m not sure what the line in the sand is you’re using for the small sample – wouldn’t anything less than 20 games be subject to that tag?

Harpers Hair
godot10

Jordan:
Is not the Yamamoto sample size in 2018-19 small?I would have thought we’d be looking at the 2019-20 number as his actual number, like with Stoll earlier on in 00’s

By the same token, isn’t Drai’s number in 14-15 also small sample?

I guess what I’m saying is I’m not sure what the line in the sand is you’re using for the small sample – wouldn’t anything less than 20 games be subject to that tag?

Joke in poor taste ahead…..you were warned….don’t scroll down. I apologize in advance. I couldn’t restrain myself.

Yamamoto’s sample size will always be small.

godot10

godot10: Joke in poor taste ahead…..you were warned….don’t scroll down.I apologize in advance.I couldn’t restrain myself.

Yamamoto’s sample size will always be small.

I guess I would have had to insert actual characters on each line instead of blank spaces. Foiled by wordpress.

godot10

Harpers Hair:
Canada’s World Junior selection camp roster.

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/team-canada/men/junior/2020-21/camps/roster-sel-camp

Holloway should stay at Wisconsin if they actually start their season and play there rather than go to this prolonged selection camp.

dustrock

godot10: Holloway should stay at Wisconsin if they actually start their season and play there rather than go to this prolonged selection camp.

No way. How are we going to be able to overcriticize or overpraise this player unless he plays with and against his draft peers?

dustrock

Harpers Hair:
Canada’s World Junior selection camp roster.

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/team-canada/men/junior/2020-21/camps/roster-sel-camp

Did we expect Lavoie to be named in the camp roster or is he prevented by playing in Sweden?

godot10

dustrock: Did we expect Lavoie to be named in the camp roster or is he prevented by playing in Sweden?

I think he is too old. He turned 20 already.

PennersPancakes

dustrock: Did we expect Lavoie to be named in the camp roster or is he prevented by playing in Sweden?

Like Godot mentioned hes too old. Official IIHF wording is:

the player has his 20th birthday in the year of the tournament’s ending (e.g. born in 1994 for 2014 tournament), and at latest, the fifteenth year after the tournament’s ending (e.g. born in 1999 for 2014 tournament);

So for the upcoming 2021 tournament need to turn 20 during 2021

McSorley33

2019-20 (Oilers scored 223 goals)
Tyler Benson 0.87

He settled in after a few uneven games, I’m hopeful he finds a way to get a full season of NHL hockey in with the Oilers before they have to make a decision on him. Final year of waiver ineligibility is coming up. Is he established enough to clear that bar? I think he needs to show a few things before that point is reached.
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Hooo boy….Tyler will turn 23 during the compacted NHL season.

The LW depth chart of the Oilers speaks for itself.

It is such a low bar to clear here and now even the famous Oilers PR machine has
gone pretty quiet on him.

I am not giving up hope at all – but this has to be the year for Tyler.

Harpers Hair

godot10: Holloway should stay at Wisconsin if they actually start their season and play there rather than go to this prolonged selection camp.

Pretty good chance he wouldn’t make the team…that’s quite a murderers row of wingers on that list.

leadfarmer

McSorley33:
2019-20 (Oilers scored 223 goals)
Tyler Benson 0.87

He settled in after a few uneven games, I’m hopeful he finds a way to get a full season of NHL hockey in with the Oilers before they have to make a decision on him. Final year of waiver ineligibility is coming up. Is he established enough to clear that bar? I think he needs to show a few things before that point is reached.
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Hooo boy….Tyler will turn 23 during the compacted NHL season.

The LW depth chart of the Oilers speaks for itself.

It is such a low bar to clear here and now even the famous Oilers PR machine has
gone pretty quiet on him.

I am not giving up hope at all – but this has to be the year for Tyler.

Yeah I hope he explodes and solidifies himself as a legit NHL player but the lack of good verbal around him from the team is rather damning.
Probably ends up being one of those high end long Euro careers

defmn

Harpers Hair: Pretty good chance he wouldn’t make the team…that’s quite a murderers row of wingers on that list.

12 of the forwards listed are from the 2019 draft class so, yeah, pretty low odds for him. I don’t know enough about the individual names to know where he would slot on the centre depth. Does he make sense as a 4th line centre for that team in a defensive role?

dustrock

godot10: I think he is too old.He turned 20 already.

Forgot he’s almost as old as Nuge now

Harpers Hair

A lesson in hockey taxes.

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/a-lesson-in-hockey-taxes-and-escrow-from-oscar-fantenberg/wcm/e5018040-6644-458c-a569-f4ef5b925b33/amp/

As I’ve mentioned before, there will be players that will opt to sign in Europe to avoid escrow and high tax rates in North America.

The Oilers defensive depth could be affected by this as some of them may decide its more advantageous to play elsewhere.

OriginalPouzar

godot10: Holloway should stay at Wisconsin if they actually start their season and play there rather than go to this prolonged selection camp.

I wondered about his attendance at the end of yesterday’s thread earlier this monring.

It was a no-brainer that he’d be invited to camp but I’m wondering if Wisconsin will even release him? The camp starts pretty much right when Wisconsin’s season starts.

Now, I assume he’s not on the 40 person roster unless they’ve worked this out with the player and the college (I mean, Alexis F. isn’t on the roster – because he won’t be coming, as a likely NHL player).

Of course, the 14-day quarantine is an issue but, thankfully, camp (and tournament) is in Alberta so, presumably, he can fly in to YYC where the pilot project for rapid testing and potential 2-3 day quarantine is available (need to stay in Alberta for 14 days though).

The other question is, as much as I want him in this tournament because I want to watch him, what’s better for his development in this weird year? Simply stay at Wisconsin and play against older players and cement his place as a developing leader on the team – or leave the team for, essentially two months, to go to a teenager camp and tournament – as great as it is?

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Notwithstanding what anyone on the Island opines, while not a lock, he is very likely to make the actual team.

defmn

NHL Public Relations
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OriginalPouzar

Kirby Dach will be loaned by the Hawks to Team Canada – he should dominate that tournament as a man among boys!

OriginalPouzar

Further, Dach will be returned to the Hawks if camps start prior to the tournament ending but I do think the NHL will play to open camps shortly after the tournament ends.

defmn

Harpers Hair:
A lesson in hockey taxes.

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/a-lesson-in-hockey-taxes-and-escrow-from-oscar-fantenberg/wcm/e5018040-6644-458c-a569-f4ef5b925b33/amp/

As I’ve mentioned before, there will be players that will opt to sign in Europe to avoid escrow and high tax rates in North America.

The Oilers defensive depth could be affected by this as some of them may decide its more advantageous to play elsewhere.

I don’t think anybody is all that worried about minimum salary signings taking their talents to Russia.

Not to mention that that league has had its own problems related to players collecting money promised to them.

buck yoakam

Harpers Hair,

ladys and germs …the experts have spoken!

Harpers Hair

defmn: I don’t think anybody is all that worried about minimum salary signings taking their talents to Russia.

Not to mention that that league has had its own problems related to players collecting money promised to them.

Interesting that Lagesson has not been re-signed.

Could he get a better deal in Sweden?

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar:
Further, Dach will be returned to the Hawks if camps start prior to the tournament ending but I do think the NHL will play to open camps shortly after the tournament ends.

Also in the centre photo:

Quinton Byfield
Dylan Cozens
Peyton Krebs
Alex Newhook
Cole Perfetti

Tough group.

PennersPancakes

defmn: I don’t think anybody is all that worried about minimum salary signings taking their talents to Russia.

Not to mention that that league has had its own problems related to players collecting money promised to them.

Well said!

That article is such a simplistic look at taxes that it might as well be useless.

The NHL and the KHL are the only league with salaries in the millions instead of hundreds of thousands. How often do reports come out from the KHL about money issues and how often do they come out about the NHL? One league is much more stable and likely to pay out what they owe.

AHL players with chances of feature roles instead of riding the bus sure but those arent needle movers anyways.

PennersPancakes

“The Swedish league, SHL, seeks high-end Euro players and pays $60,000 USD to upward of $275,000 USD.”

https://blog.purehockey.com/hockey-culture-traditions/what-are-the-best-hockey-leagues-in-the-world/#:~:text=Average%20pay%20for%20entry%2Dlevel,to%20upward%20of%20%24275%2C000%20USD.

“The minimum NHL Salary is set in the CBA (11.12.a) and is as follows:
2020-21 – U.S. $700,000”

https://puckpedia.com/minimum-nhl-salary-buried-cap-hit

leadfarmer

Yes Because Europe is so well known for its low tax rates
And everyone is just tripping over themselves to go to Russia in a pandemic

leadfarmer

And that’s if you actually collect money from the khl owners when you get there which was an issue in previous times of economic downturn

defmn

Harpers Hair: Interesting that Lagesson has not been re-signed.

Could he get a better deal in Sweden?

According to Swedish Poster who wrote a long thing on this subject a week or two ago the answer would be no.

SP also indicated that it was highly unlikely he could get that kind of money in the KHL with little to no NHL experience on his resume.

If I had to guess the delay would be from Holland’s end. OP comments at every opportunity about how Tippett didn’t play him ahead of whatever his name is that is gone now during that 8 game stretch early in the season.

To me that is a tell that the coach is indifferent at best & from other signs I think Holland consults Tippett on these things so Lagesson may not be as high on the Oiler’s priorities as he sometimes seems here on this blog.

kanatacus

“Currie looked good, always wondered if the team should have given him another shot.”

I feel the same way. He looked good by eye in his cup and a half of coffee. But, unfortunately, Patrick Russell ate his lunch in training camp.

Material Elvis

defmn: According to Swedish Poster who wrote a long thing on this subject a week or two ago the answer would be no.

SP also indicated that it was highly unlikely he could get that kind of money in the KHL with little to no NHL experience on his resume.

If I had to guess the delay would be from Holland’s end. OP comments at every opportunity about how Tippett didn’t play him ahead of whatever his name is that is gone now during that 8 game stretch early in the season.

To me that is a tell that the coach is indifferent at best & from other signs I think Holland consults Tippett on these things so Lagesson may not be as high on the Oiler’s priorities as he sometimes seems here on this blog.

I think it was the guy who broke McDavid’s collar bone.

defmn

Harpers Hair: Also in the centre photo:

Quinton Byfield
Dylan Cozens
Peyton Krebs
Alex Newhook
Cole Perfetti

Tough group.

Yes it is. No idea how many of those slide to the wing in an offence role but the only realistic hope of Holloway making it would be for his defensive play.

defmn

Material Elvis: I think it was the guy who broke McDavid’s collar bone.

That’s the one. Early onset senility and indifference to people in general robbed me of my ability to remember names years ago.

Yeti

Mike Bishai. A name lost to sands of time. But /that/ brawl… Wow.

OriginalPouzar

Arizona will be renouncing their draft pick rights to Mitchell Miller.

OriginalPouzar

Wow – Doc Emerick on the show tomorrow – two legends having a convo……

marconiuse

Curious, LT or anyone else who knows:

What were the off-ice issues surrounding Aberg? 1.94 is a pretty impressive result

SwedishPoster

defmn: According to Swedish Poster who wrote a long thing on this subject a week or two ago the answer would be no.

SP also indicated that it was highly unlikely he could get that kind of money in the KHL with little to no NHL experience on his resume.

If I had to guess the delay would be from Holland’s end. OP comments at every opportunity about how Tippett didn’t play him ahead of whatever his name is that is gone now during that 8 game stretch early in the season.

To me that is a tell that the coach is indifferent at best & from other signs I think Holland consults Tippett on these things so Lagesson may not be as high on the Oiler’s priorities as he sometimes seems here on this blog.

Trist is what I wrote a few weeks ago on this:

“The top guys in the SHL Sweden are paid 200K-250K per season, usually in the lower bracket and I doubt a defensive D like Lagesson would even hit 200K. And that’s without counting players taking 12-15% solidarity pay cuts this season due to covid.

So no he wouldn’t get anything near his worst possible NHL deal in Sweden. If he stays it’s for reasons beyond money.

The places to go for money in europe is the KHL, where the paycheck can vary a lot, the best paid player in the KHL makes 1.8M, the best paid swedes around 1M (Lander at the top makes 1.2M) but Lagesson would need to either show his stuff in the K for a few seasons or become an NHL regular first to make NHL level money there, and Switzerland where the best paid players makes up to 875K but most top players are around 400-500K or so.
These are all pre-covid numbers ofc.”

defmn

SwedishPoster: Trist is what I wrote a few weeks ago on this:

“The top guys in the SHL Sweden are paid 200K-250K per season, usually in the lower bracket and I doubt a defensive D like Lagesson would even hit 200K. And that’s without counting players taking 12-15% solidarity pay cuts this season due to covid.

So no he wouldn’t get anything near his worst possible NHL deal in Sweden. If he stays it’s for reasons beyond money.

The places to go for money in europe is the KHL, where the paycheck can vary a lot, the best paid player in the KHL makes 1.8M, the best paid swedes around 1M (Lander at the top makes 1.2M) but Lagesson would need to either show his stuff in the K for a few seasons or become an NHL regular first to make NHL level money there, and Switzerland where the best paid players makes up to 875K but most top players are around 400-500K or so.
These are all pre-covid numbers ofc.”

My memory may not be as bad as advertised. I think my summary was pretty close to this.

Harpers Hair

defmn: According to Swedish Poster who wrote a long thing on this subject a week or two ago the answer would be no.

SP also indicated that it was highly unlikely he could get that kind of money in the KHL with little to no NHL experience on his resume.

If I had to guess the delay would be from Holland’s end. OP comments at every opportunity about how Tippett didn’t play him ahead of whatever his name is that is gone now during that 8 game stretch early in the season.

To me that is a tell that the coach is indifferent at best & from other signs I think Holland consults Tippett on these things so Lagesson may not be as high on the Oiler’s priorities as he sometimes seems here on this blog.

It’s possible the Oilers are trying to sign him to a two way contract and he is resisting that.

His career NHL earnings to date are less than a million.

Harpers Hair

SwedishPoster: Trist is what I wrote a few weeks ago on this:

“The top guys in the SHL Sweden are paid 200K-250K per season, usually in the lower bracket and I doubt a defensive D like Lagesson would even hit 200K. And that’s without counting players taking 12-15% solidarity pay cuts this season due to covid.

So no he wouldn’t get anything near his worst possible NHL deal in Sweden. If he stays it’s for reasons beyond money.

The places to go for money in europe is the KHL, where the paycheck can vary a lot, the best paid player in the KHL makes 1.8M, the best paid swedes around 1M (Lander at the top makes 1.2M) but Lagesson would need to either show his stuff in the K for a few seasons or become an NHL regular first to make NHL level money there, and Switzerland where the best paid players makes up to 875K but most top players are around 400-500K or so.
These are all pre-covid numbers ofc.”

If I’m reading sources correctly players salaries are tax free in Sweden.

Let’s say Lagesson signed a one way deal with the Oilers.

With upcoming escrow and salary deferral, that is immediately reduced by 30% so its only $700K.

With tax rates of 45% in Canada that leaves about $400K.

It might certainly be worth it to the player but as the difference narrows other factors like playing time and role would likely come into play.

defmn

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defmn

Harpers Hair: It’s possible the Oilers are trying to sign him to a two way contract and he is resisting that.

His career NHL earnings to date are less than a million.

Possible but that would not be my guess.

My guess is that if they sign him it will be a one way to lessen the chance of losing him in a waiver wire pick up but they are looking at remaining UFA’s and trades and wondering if there is somebody they would rather have.

Fuge Udvar

Harpers Hair,

So by your own numbers Lagesson stands to make double in the NHL.. Grasping at straws today