Night Moves

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Northern Lights dancing at Turtle Lake, SK. Photo by Todd Kirkpatrick

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Reja

Any updates yet on what Holloway and Broberg had for a pregame meal?

OriginalPouzar

I’m pleased the club signed Cameron Wright. In January 2024 I wrote “The Condors have several AHL contracts worth discussing as potential NHL signings during the next several months. Chief among them is 25-year-old winger Cameron Wright.”

You nailed it!

I’m not sure he ever plays an NHL game. Then again, I said the same thing about Vinny Deharnais.

OriginalPouzar

So management has set up to maximize LTIR space if they ever want to use it.

Presuming Kane is put on LTIR today as expected, the Oilers will be able to exceed the $88MM cap limit by $5.125MM less the $53 in cap space – while Kane remains on LTIR.

To be clear, if the Oilers are using the LTIR reserves and are going over the cap, they would have to fit in the entire AAV being acquired – not only the portion of is left in the season – a $5MM AAV at the deadline would require the full $5MM.

With that said, while the Oilers are under the $88MM cap, they will indeed accrue cap space and be able to acquire players with relation to how much of their cap hit is left in the season.

The Oilers will likely be around $1MM – $1.1MM under the cap to start and, if no roster changes were made all season, they’d be able to acquire apx $5MM of AAV at the deadline.

Of course, there is zero chance the roster won’t change, there will be injuries that force call ups and reduce the unused cap space. Chances are, if they never go in to LTIR they will have quite a bit less than $5MM at the deadline – maybe $2MM, maybe $3MM – impossible to know.

The amount of accrued cap space will certainly be less than the amount they can go over the cap in LTIR but, of course, using that space is contingent on Kane not being activated during the regular season – and we are far from knowing that.

There is the possibility of using that accrued cap space just before the deadline, be it $1MM or $3MM or whatever and then, AFTER that acquisition is made, using the $5.1MM they can go over the cap in a second acquisition – of course, contingent on knowing they won’t be activating Kane, if they get there.

Bling

A little more on Skinner:

https://x.com/JFreshHockey/status/1807911902674108920?lang=en

How often do you see a player in the 96th percentile for EV offence and 0th percentile for EV defence?

I’m not judging, I’m saying this is going to be fun as hell to watch. This is like that moment in It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, where the Gang actually hatches a scheme that has a reasonable chance of success (private garbage pick up during a garbage strike). Frank says to the Gang, no wildcard shit. Later in the episode, after the Gang has had some success with their latest scheme, Charlie, in the back of a moving van filled with garbage bags, randomly yells out “Wildcard bitches!” and jumps out from the back with the garbage bags.

Jeff Skinner is our Charlie. He is the wild card.

I’m here for it. This is so stupid it just may work!

Tarkus

Does he need to play some sweet D(ee)?

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maudite

“Charlie work” is my favourite episode. Classic

Tarkus

Mine is the “CharDee MacDennis” episode.

danny

He’s in a limo, with a date and a driver, but he might have swallowed too many blood pills, the outcome might get messy.

leadfarmer

That 0% on defense is pretty much where Kane lives too

LMHF#1

As a coach, I can work immediately and effectively with two types of players (the rest are rewarding as well but take more work and figuring out). The smart, complete player (for obvious reasons), and guys like Jeff Skinner. It is straightforward. He knows what he does. You can tell everyone else what he does.

“Everyone – this is Jeff…his job is to be right over here and if you get him the puck he will put it in that net. GET JEFF THE PUCK. HERE.”

Some coaches overcomplicate and “wish” for players to become things they aren’t. I hope Knoblauch is not that type.

The Flames didn’t want Brett Hull…I mean, come on…

DevilsLettuce

Oilers Jeff Skinner 🤝 Penguins Phil Kessel

Bling

Not sure if it has been talked about, but I believe Jeff Skinner was one of the first players to break into the NHL with truly exceptional edge work. Which, of course, is now the standard and has been exceeded by the McDavids and Kaprizovs of the world.

At Skinner’s time, it was unusual for a player to have a background in figure skating. He translated that to the NHL, which was even rarer/stranger. When he broke in, Gary Roberts was still convincing players not to bench press and focus on exercises that would increase explosiveness on the ice. We’ve come a long way.

Back to Skinner. I’ve heard/seen some criticisms of his skating, which seem to focus more on straight away speed. But a deceptive skater can be “faster” than a fast one. Elite edge work can go a long way, and is a skill that I would suspect fades less than speed does with age. I love McLeod and loved watching him skate, but you could kind of tell where he was going to go.

Anyways, I am looking forward to seeing Skinner’s skating (and finishing) for myself tomorrow evening.

Genjutsu

I don’t know figure skaters were teaching hockey players power skating classes when I was kid playing.

And I’m an old, old, old bastard.

Scungilli Slushy

The glory Oilers had a lady teaching them figure skating, for edgework

Chelios is a Dinosaur

When you watch his hilights its a lot of goals where he’s found space in tight whereas a guy his size would normally struggle to get to the net. His skating is exceptional.

OriginalPouzar

Puckpedia expecting Dermott to be signed tomorrow. Players cannot be sent down today (only call-ups are permitted). They can send players down tomorrow and make room for Dermott.

Puckpedia expert is to be a 2-way deal which really means nothing for our purposes – he’s still need waivers to go down.

Bar_Qu

Ever forward, I say. I am looking forward to the season opener. I think Winnipeg is a good team to start with. They are a bubble playoff team (imo) with good goaltending and they play with pace. The Oilers will need to be on their toes to get a win.
One more day of practice to prepare for that, along with any of the final roster tweaks the Lavoie loss causes.
I’m ready for the hockey to begin.

90s fan

The organization bleeds youth

We lost the 2020 10th, gained the 2019 10th.
We traded 25 yo McLeod for 20 yo Savoie.
Lost 23 yo broberg, gained 24 yo embersen
Lost 24 yo lavoie to waivers (a shame) and gain 26 yo philp.
Lost Desharnais, 28yo (loved that guy, bit many did not) and ceci 30 yo gained stecher/Brown 30yo each.

Of all those transactions we gained overall 1 year in age.

I am all for discussing the bleeding of speed and talent, but not sure about the bleeding of youth narrative. Or at least not this off season, with this current new regime.

90s fan

Forgot foegle (28) for arvidsson (31)/ skinner 30. Thats 3 more years lets say for a total of +4

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

For me, it’s the poor asset management. If you are going to let high picks whither on the vine trade the players earlier or trade the picks.

Losing two first rounders and a second round pick that the team invested years of development time into for basically nothing is brutal. Better to trade the players/picks while the team still has leverage.

90s fan

First, i just want to say i try to seperate regimes in terms of how they handle assets. This regime already looks a bit different than the last.

Its true that we lost all those 3 players for nothing. Which sucks.

But, when were we ever in a position to trade these players? Our intent was to sign them, then the offer sheet comes. Theres no trading them after that. And Lavoie, i mean i wanted him on the roster, because i dont beleice in Perry. But not sure anyone is trading for him either. Not near the waiver wire. So what does this regime have as options? The only option i see is keep lavoie in the line up.

(I mean we can discuss holland more, but man it feels like we’ve done that already)

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90s fan

Also trading the picks? That certainly isn’t the solution.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

If you consistently give away prospects, then trading picks is the solution. Wilson built great teams in San Jose by trading tons of picks. Same with Vegas. There are many ways to acquire talent.

90s fan

Certainly offer sheets are not normal business practice in the NHL. And St. Louis played it beautifully by the way.

My original question is this: are jackson and bowman bleeding youth? I dont think so. Talent and skill and speed. Thats the discussion.

CruJones

I’ve said this before but 10 years ago we would have blocked shots in the nude (to borrow a phrase) to see the Oilers in the position they’re in now, and now that we’re there, it appears many are going to fret about fringe players.

The words written about Brown in the last week could fill a book and he’s now off the roster, and last I checked, Holloway and Broberg also have to have a desire to sign (for a reasonable rate) in Edmonton for Edmonton to sign them.

Yes, the Oilers lost some young talent. They also added young talent and recouped picks. Before we put the nail in the coffin of the guys we’ve added and elevate those we’ve lost to Hall of Fame status, let’s maybe watch them play a game or two?

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Scungilli Slushy

For me Bro is 95% on Holland, 5% on JJ, 0% on Bowman. Bro was unhappy for a long time, and they as usual couldn’t make a call on him and screwed the whole thing up and lost him. I’m not sure it was possible to sign him after using him in playoffs. At least they got picks, usually they let the guy walk or trade them for peanuts

Holloway, I’m not sure. He described his own wrist as ‘mangled’, that may have played into why they were slow with him. I think they knew both were getting sheets soon after playoffs, at least. It’s a small closed community, even if they don’t tell us the truth about things

leadfarmer

The loss of Holloway is tough because he wanted to be here and they should have found a way to make it work
The loss of Broberg is very much expected as he didn’t want to be here and there’s absolutely no way we were going to pay even half of what he got. So only thing I would say it was unfortunate that they didn’t flip him sooner.

cowboy bill

I think you over exaggerate. For me it’s all about making the money work and allowing for the obvious flexibility of this roster. Essentially, they can go into the season with a 23-man roster including Kane and accrue cap space and they can also put Kane on LTIR, free up more cap space and still accrue. It’s been an amazing off season with ups & downs. But with those downs they’ve responded with a resounding positive response. Which is a credit to this management team.

OriginalPouzar

Will Lavoie be on waivers today (or soon). Some thing that Vegas was not planning on getting two successful claims.

To clarify some misinformation, the Oilers do NOT have a ROFR, the claim order is the same. If he is waved and the Oilers are the only claim (likely) they will be able to send him to Bako.

Vegas did lose Aston-Reese to waiver so this probably does not happen.

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