Bullets and Bad Guys

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rev.hans

You don’t mention it in the article, but I liked seeing Bouchard on PK during the playoffs. It wasn’t a big sample size, but by the eye test he looked good. I can’t help but think that PK duty both shows the coach trusts him AND it’s a great way to develop defensive bona fides, and against elites in the most difficult situation.
I’m very interested in the numbers, and in others comments on Bouchard on PK.

ps. The comments about “controller unplugged” were especially appropriate after Bouchard’s head injury. That injury took a long time to iron out of his game. By end of season, and for most of the post, we had Bouchard with “controller” properly plugged.
Bowman mentioned late that Bouchard was injured in Finals. I’ve not heard anything about this, except from Bowman. Insights, anyone?

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godot10

The all clear on any player should wait until they demonstrate they can play under the expectations of a massive contract.

SoCaloil

Is it Hockey Season YET?

rev.hans

Sooooo close

W

32 degrees here, and that’s not in Fahrenheit.

Pig Town Low

Love your take this morning. It’s going to be a fantastic, fascinating winter. We are not entitled to greatness or titles each year. The journey is the thing.

rev.hans

I hear you having fun —and giving the gift of laughter— 5x week as you & your merry pranksters serve up the daily “sports word salad!” Thank you! Fun it is 🙂

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OriginalPouzar

McDavid:

“I said at the end of June I had every intention to take my time with it”.

“I have every intention to win in Edmonton – its my sole focus. My intention is to win there.”

Taking time to go through it, going through it with my family.

When Rishaug asked if it has to be done before the season starts or can they go in to the season, McDavid said all options are on the table. He did go on to say the sole focus of the team will be winning, no distractions.

“Taking my time with it, and that is it.”

Reja

We can’t allow another Marner outcome if McDavid wants to move on he has to agree on a trade to a team that he wants and Oilers must get maximum return.

Scungilli Slushy

Some people think that folks a long time ago, hundreds or thousands of years ago, were more simple than we are today. Weren’t as smart perhaps. This of course is not supported by the evidence of the great thinkers and discoveries made in science and math. At least once humans became as they are, however that happened. In fact it would be a strong argument to say that they may have been smarter, living as they did coming up with those things

I have always been skeptical about a lot of thought around comparing eras. I get the era adjustments which are usually trying to balance scoring averages between times. There are so many factors involved it is far more complex than that. A typical argument would be that the players are more fit now, the bottom of rosters have better players, the equipment is better, etc

That Wayne and Mario put up gaudy numbers destroying bottom six players that couldn’t skate and weren’t in shape. And bad goalies. Except according to Wayne, that wasn’t the case. Coaches line matched hard, and Wayne said for example with the Islanders, he wasn’t playing the team, he was playing their best five players all of the time. Time against the lessers was not a lot. That doesn’t happen as much these days. It’s rare to see players shadowed like they were back then

And the good teams had good goalies. The Oilers always did for sure. The equipment was smaller, but the sticks were basic unlike today where stick tech gives everyone a faster more accurate shot

The biggest difference if you look at the 70’s and 80’s was the level of violence. Players today do not face what Wayne and Mario did, or anyone playing Messier. If you plopped a top forward from today into a time machine yes he would be more fit, but I bet he would be off his game, and probably hurt until he got used to it

Of course if Wayne played starting in 2015 he would be fit and would have trained as they do now, he’d have a better stick. He’d still be head and shoulders above the rest, maybe less so Connor. In fact today’s game probably suits Wayne better than back then, far less hacking and obstruction

If Connor started in 1979 the opposite would be true. It is logical to me that the best comparison between eras is a player versus his peers. It eliminates the noise. You can compare the greats of different eras by how big that difference is, at least for offense. Of course there is a lot more to being a great player than that. After all it’s Mess that has the 6 Cups. He won a Cup in 25% of his seasons, not bad

LMHF#1

The version of Wayne that is transported into an alternate timeline and plays today still outscores everyone by the same crazy percentages he did back then.

The man was the greatest to ever do it, and didn’t even have exceptional physical gifts to make it easier for him.

I mean, he’s in my view the best pure shooter of all time, and doesn’t even get mentioned when it is discussed. Primarily because he chose accuracy over power – yet he could blow it by anyone.

That goal on Vernon in Calgary is the greatest slapper I’ve ever seen. It goes in in any era, on any goalie.

Reja

We were blessed to witness the greatest athlete of any sport. All you have to do is look at how much he beat the 2nd place finishers in the scoring race. I remember on one occasion I seen Wayne collect 7 assists against the Capitals his performance was like ho-hum just another day at the office.

Scungilli Slushy

It doesn’t get talked about anymore but his gap over his peers is the greatest of any sport all time. IIRC the next was an Aussie cricketer named Bradley or something

Skippy - the bush kangaroo

Don Bradman – career batting average of 99.94.
Next highest with over 40 innings (at bats) is 60.97.

To North Americanize that: it would be like a baseball player having a career batting average of .700, while Ty cobb is there at .367.

Craziest part of Don Bradman’s story is that he was out for zero in his final innings, which caused his average to drop below 100.

Scungilli Slushy

Yes Bradman

Scungilli Slushy

It’s amazing that even with what seemed like a full 360 wind up he could beat guys clean. You don’t score 92 being a punk shooter

LMHF#1

I’d argue there’s actually something to that windup, and the shot it produces.

If you watch kids, any kid who can land that haymaker scores goals. There’s clearly a reason it works. The explosiveness off the blade and the lack of a telegraph is so powerful.

Scungilli Slushy

The thing that he was most special at was not just moving around the zone and being able to dipsy doodle around defenders, but it was that he tactically broke down defenses. He also was very hard to hit, and that drove them even crazier

I think that would translate very well. I haven’t seen a player be able to play pucks through a guy’s triangle or avoid pursuit consistently since Datsyuk. Clogging the slot would not work against him. Connor skates it around, I wish he got better at drawing guys out of position, although he would need someone to actually get into position to take the puck that would be coming

He and Leon do it, but it’s not as dynamic and far more predictable. McFarland should get the old tape out

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LMHF#1

Connor and Leon should both watch Gretzky goal scoring videos. My son and I did, and I shared them with his team last year as their coach. There’s so much gold in there it is hard to even describe.

Pretendergast

The fractional difference between the fastest men in history and today is miniscule. The main difference in times? Technology. The shoes and track they use are much grippier, allowing for less slip on acceleration.

The human hasn’t evolved significantly past its genetic limits. Diet and nutrition and skill training has helped the NHL’s bottom of rosters, but the finest athletes would still be the finest athletes with all the tech and skills coaching available to them.

Wayne would still be Wayne, Mario would still be Mario given a level playing field.

OriginalPouzar

Stan Bowman’s job is to improve the second tier, the quality tier that includes players who can make a difference and play a complementary role alongside the elites. Bowman inherited Zach Hyman, Mattias Ekholm, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Darnell Nurse plus Brett Kulak, and has added Jake Walman and Vasily Podkolzin. We’ll see about Matt Savoie and Ike Howard in the days to come.

Part of that plan was, while wanting to keep the likes of Brown and Perry, making the decision to move on as they prices themselves out of his contract structure.

One hopes that Matt Savoie and Issac Howard can join the second tier – I am fully comfortable with, at least, Matt Savoie being a middle six/third tier player come October with definite second tier upside.

Scungilli Slushy

I hope he plays with his brain. Small players that are good don’t pretend they can compete physically with much bigger players. And last longer of course. They can still battle just not trying to hit much or getting hit much

OriginalPouzar

He’s short but not small, for his height – stocky.

Savoie is very smart – he was able to use his stature to get on this inside and battle without taking huge punishment.

OriginalPouzar

Sure, injuries are always a concern, and I guess more for a “smaller player” – although, he’s more “short” than “small” and I note that he survived a full AHL season when pretty much everyone else got hurt.

Clattenburg couldn’t even survive one game without serious injury.

LMHF#1

The beauty of what we’re looking at is in the contrast. Remember when the coach was trying to shoehorn Dustin Penner or Ryan Smyth into the middle, because they literally didn’t have anyone who could play? That era would have been advertising Tomasek as the new 2C, hyping him up beyond reason the way the TSN guys fawn over every random Jays player who doesn’t need that pressure and who’s never going to amount to much.

Let the good times roll. Just hang some damn banners while we’re at it.

OriginalPouzar

My favourite thing about Leon is he got better each season. 

and, in my opinion, he keeps getting better. He signed an 8 X $14MM contract and, before it even started, had his best season ever.

Dominant goal scorer last season with a rotating cast of middle/bottom six wingers playing with him.

Sixth in Selke voting, on merit.

Traditional plus 32 (McDavid plus 20) and 59% goal share.

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cowboy bill

They should just cap the max salary for NHL players at $14M because nobody should make more than Leon and I’m pretty sure Connor would agree with that.

Scungilli Slushy

Adam Oates doesn’t like how many teams structure their offense these days. He feels it reduces the effectiveness and thus production for regular players, who make up most of a team. Only the elites can do it

He didn’t go into detail when I heard him talking, but mentioned being too spread out. That happens a lot to the Oilers, the forwards get disconnected from the defense. At times we see the C coming down low to support the break outs, but it never seems to last. Then we get the stretch passes and jail breaks, and if it’s against a well structured team a lot of defensive zone time ensues

I don’t think Florida’s roster is better than the Oilers, but they play better, and I fear have a coach that has a better system. Perhaps the Oilers were too old up front to keep pace with the PEDs Cats. But it’s not like the DoD where the team didn’t have 23 proper NHL players

Bowman will keep changing the team to suit the style he and Knoblauch want, and to players types he likes better than maybe some of the roster. But I think at this point it’s more on the coaching staff who have two players at their disposal that are clearly better than anyone on Florida, and maybe three if Leon is better than Sasha, and haven’t had the answer, twice

Game 7 will get mentioned as a rebuttal, but in those playoffs the Oilers went to 7 games in two series, which doesn’t happen often with Cup teams. They were down in games won twice to the Canucks, and of course down 3-0 to the Panthers. That they came back is great, and that is largely because of having those elite players

But it isn’t what you see from championship teams. They have to change something to be what they should be. There is something off in how they attack, I don’t know specifically what. They can light up teams that let them do what they want, but still have a very hard time with teams that don’t, and this is the key to taking the next step. Just getting some different players may not be enough as I see it

And having a offensive D isn’t going to put them over unless they are getting the puck to the forwards in the scoring areas. Using the point too much kills production because the scoring and SH% percentages drop so much, this has been well documented. I think you need all aspects in your game (being good at screens and tips, it’s like spreading the D out in football), but the focus has to be creating the best scoring chances consistently closer to the net. I don’t see that in tough games enough

JJS

I believe this is precisely what the article is about – we need players who can complement the elites to spread out the scoring chances. Last year, the Oil had Kapanen and Perry in the top 6 for game 6. Add to that an ineffective Kane/Frederic/Henri/Brown/Janmark and that is a poor match for Florida regardless of systems.

Scungilli Slushy

I was getting at that if the system isn’t right it won’t matter who they get. Florida lead both offense and defense these playoffs, and while Marchand was a big help, it was more about the big picture and being able to execute it. The Oilers had trouble breaking out even with a bunch of puck movers. To me that seems like more than the players

OriginalPouzar

I’m excited to see what Paul McFarland will implement.

This was clearly a targeted add based on some knowledge of him as a coach.

Since the hire, I have learned that he’s given talks at coaching seminars over the years – teach offensive strategies. One was on how to create off the rush and the integral nuances in connection therewith.

I didn’t know that he was a “teacher of offence”.

Scungilli Slushy

Me too

Bar_Qu

That is a very hopeful/helpful skill set. Offence stagnated a bit last year, and it would be good to have someone who can see how playing offensively can help the defensive side of things (get the puck up and out, while keeping possession).

Reja

There is no excuse why our line-up can’t score 300 goals.

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