At the 2010 draft, Edmonton general manager Steve Tambellini wanted to move out some players. Names who were mentioned leading up to the week included Sheldon Souray; Ethan Moreau; Robert Nilsson; Patrick O’Sullivan plus youngster Andrew Cogliano and Riley Nash along with one goalie, either Devan Dubnyk or Jeff Deslauriers.
The main draft plan (according to reports) was to deal for a pick and then use that pick and No. 31 overall in order to move up and draft Dylan McIlrath. Edmonton couldn’t get all the way there, so dealt Riley Nash and picked Martin Marincin in the second round instead. History tells us that was a better move than the aggressive one.
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- New Lowetide: Why you should be worried about William Lagesson’s future in Edmonton
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- Lowetide: Why the Oilers should extend Ryan Nugent-Hopkins as soon as possible
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- Jonathan Willis: Misguided priorities helped turn the Oilers’ 2010 rebuild into a debacle
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- Jonathan Willis: Multiple choice: What might an Oilers trade at the 2020 NHL Draft look like?
- Lowetide: Mike Green’s playoff role and possible future with the Oilers
A decade of player trades at the draft
I’m always sifting through old Lowetide posts in search of new angles to talk about and came across an incredible string of draft weekend trades by Edmonton. I’m not going to rank them, but rest assured several of these are rank of the highest order.
In 2010, Tambellini traded a 2010 sixth-round pick for Colin Fraser (small move, no quarrel), Riley Nash for pick No. 46 (Martin Marincin) which represented a net loss but Nash wasn’t going to sign with Edmonton. In 2011, Tambellini spent the first round being irritated by James Duthie, who (as a reporter) asked about the pending Ryan Smyth acquisition when Edmonton selected Nuge and Klefbom. That was June 24. Fraser and a depth pick went to LAK for Smyth on June 26.
Craig MacTavish was general manager in 2013 and his draft weekend trade remains one of my favourite in team history. MacT dealt the No. 37 pick to LAK for pick 57 (which he would also trade), pick 88 (Anton Slepyshev), pick 96 (Kyle Platzer). Pick 57 was sent to St. Louis (who chose William Carrier) for picks 83 (Bogdan Yakimov), 94 (Jackson Houck) and 113 (Aidan Muir). The deal didn’t work out (for anyone, really) but I applaud the innovation.
We now arrive at the real reason for today’s post: Peter Chiarelli’s draft weekend moves. In 2015, clearly charged with turning the team’s fortunes around in a hurry, he dealt picks 16 (Mathew Barzal) and 33 (Mitchell Stephens) for Griffin Reinhart, who would eventually help as the lost pick in expansion to Vegas. A more miserable trade is difficult to imagine, although the Miro Satan deal remains No. 1 on my list for now.
Chiarelli traded 2015 pick No. 57 (Jonas Siegenthaler), 79 (Sergey Zborovskiy) and 184 (Adam Huska) for Cam Talbot and pick No. 209 (Ziyat Paigin). I was fine with that trade, then and now, Talbot was fire in the spring of 2017 and I’ll remember that year forever.
Chiarelli dealt Martin Marincin for a fourth-round pick which he then traded for Eric Gryba. I didn’t like the deal, mostly because Marincin is a player I liked, but it wasn’t a tragedy.
Edmonton hasn’t made a draft weekend trade involving players since. During the 2017 draft, the Oilers traded up to get goaltender Stuart Skinner at No. 78. The team gave up pick 82 (Cameron Crotty) and pick 126 (Michael Karow). In 2018, Edmonton traded up to No. 62 by dealing No. 71 (Jordan Harris) and No. 133 (Samuel Houde).
Tambellini’s assets
Let’s go back to that list off players who were being dangled to other NHL teams a decade ago at the 2010 draft. It’s a long list and the return, taken as a whole, borders on comedy.
- Riley Nash: Traded to Carolina for pick used on Marincin
- Patrick O’Sullivan: Bought out June 29, 2010
- Ethan Moreau: Claimed by Columbus June 30, 2010
- Patrick O’Sullivan: Traded to Arizona for Jim Vandermeer
- Sheldon Souray: Contract buyout on June 30, 2011
- Jeff Deslauriers: Signed free agent contract with Anaheim July 9, 2011
- Andrew Cogliano: Traded for a 2013 second-round pick, July 12, 2011
- Devan Dubnyk: Traded to Nashville for Matt Hendricks June 15, 2014
That’s very little return for a group that includes some fine talent. Devan Dubnyk, Andrew Cogliano, Riley Nash would play important roles for years with their new teams, Souray was a legit veteran with some more miles left in him. This is damning. Note: The Dubnyk trade was made by MacTavish.
Holland’s Assets
It’s fairly certain Ken Holland will get more via trade than Tambellini, MacTavish and Chiarelli during their time in the general manager’s chair. In just a little over one year, Holland made truly impressive deals (Lucic for Neal offed a staggering contract) and a fascinating big bet (Athanasiou) that gave up riches but has a chance to be a good fit for Oilers needs. I see the AA bet as similar to the Cam Talbot trade. Here are the Holland assets between now and the end of draft Sunday 2020:
- R Alex Chiasson (duplicated by Kassian)
- LD Kris Russell (exceeded by Jones)
- RD Matt Benning (Bouchard is close or already there)
- LC Jujhar Khaira (even strength work poor)
We’ll track this as time goes on but Holland’s work in Edmonton so far suggests he will get more than Matt Hendricks and a second-round pick for these assets. I’ll be watching with interest in the coming months.
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OriginalPouzar,
Yes that might be worth doing. I’m not on twitter but maybe someone else cares enough to ask.
It may be worth it to reach out to them via twitter – they aren’t quite as responsive as Puckpedia but often due respond to queries.
OriginalPouzar,
I know all that and agree with the interpretation. Capfriendly is normally very reliable though so I wonder if there’s something we’re missing. It very well may be just an error on their part.
Capfriendly is an elite source but I will defer to the CBA wording unless its ambiguous on this one.
When he becomes a UFA will defer depending on if (and when) he comes back to the NHL.
If he doesn’t, then its when he’s 27 on June 30 of the ending season.
If he comes back this year (and stays) it’ll bump up by one year as he has 4 more NHL seasons to vest.
Section 10.1(a)(i):
Any Player who either has seven (7) Accrued Seasons or is 27 years of age
or older as of June 30 of the end of a League Year, shall, if his most recent
SPC has expired, with such expiry occurring either as of June 30 of such
League Year or June 30 of any prior League Year, become an Unrestricted
Free Agent
An accrued season is essentially 40 games on the NHL roster – he has accrued 3.
Recall, in his 18 year old season, they send him down after the 40th game – a clear (but unofficial and unsubstantiated) verbal agreement with Jesse to vest a year.
OriginalPouzar,
Capfriendly lists the Oilers holding his until 2024/age 27 though (my link above). So there seems to be a disconnect.
The trigger is 7 Accrued Seasons or 27 years of age on June 30 of the year the contract ends.
So, for Jesse:
– age trigger: this will be for the 2025/26 season for age – 5 more years.
– Accrued season trigger: He’s accrued 3 as as the trigger is essentially 40 games on the roster.
He’s got 5 more years at the longer but 4 more “NHL seasons” to bump it up a year by coming back.
Jason Botterill fires in Buffalo
New for The Athletic: Oilers prospect Raphael Lavoie’s possible impact in his first year pro
https://theathletic.com/1874267/2020/06/16/lowetide-oilers-prospect-raphael-lavoies-possible-impact-in-his-first-year-pro/
Hmm… this made me go and look up the stats. When McDavid went down with the quadriceps injury early February, the leaderboard looked like this:
1. Draisaitl: 55, 31-54-85 (1.55 P/GP)
2. McDavid: 55, 30-51-81 (1.47)
3. Pastrnak: 56, 38-39-77 (1.38)
4. MacKinnon: 53, 31-44-75 (1.42)
5. Panarin: 52, 27-45-72 (1.38)
When McDavid was cleared to play in late February, the leaderboard looked like this:
1. Draisaitl: 61, 35-62-97 (1.59)
2. Pastrnak: 63, 45-43-88 (1.40)
3. MacKinnon: 61, 33-51-84 (1.38)
4. Panarin: 60, 31-52-83 (1.38)
5. McDavid: 55, 30-51-81 (1.47)
Only Pastrnak seemed out of reach based on a reasonable finish from McDavid. But that’s not what happened… from his return to the end of the season, here’s how each of these 5 players produced along with their rank in the NHL during that time:
1. McDavid: 9, 4-12-16 (1.78)
6. Draisaitl: 10, 8-5-13 (1.30)
8. Panarin: 9, 1-11-12 (1.33)
28. MacKinnon: 8, 2-7-9 (1.13)
52. Pastrnak: 7, 3-4-7 9 (1.00)
BOOM. And McDavid was sick part of that time. A rested CMD who was scoring near 2 P/GP prior to the break has got to be scary for the Blackhawks.
Yak could turn up at camp and blow the doors off…
I could be remembering wrong, but I seem to remember the Oilers games also being aired on CFRN and A-Channel in between ITV and Sportsnet.
Hey HH, let’s lock in that bet we had pretty much nailed down that went quiet.
5 years, Bouchard vs Rafferty, regular season points as per your assertion that Rafferty would probably score more.
We were talking about £x per point over 5 years which I think you felt had too much open ended risk for you.
On reflection an amount to charity per year seems more sensible.
So I propose $75 per year to the charity of the winners choice. Bet is void for any years that a player has a serious injury that rules a player out of 25 plus games (as per your request). Shortened seasons count if 42 games or more are played.
Let’s do it.
If the NHL can give awards to players based on their performance in a shortened season, what’s HH’s excuse I wonder?
Yeah…considering a thread or two a go he was talking about betting in P/G…
I don’t care one way or other about flip flopping trolling just for the hell of things but holy crap straight up whelch when you know for certain he’d be losing his mind if same was pulled the other way (if circumstances were reversed) followed by the absolute most garbage weighted reupping.
HH: this round is grown ass man embarrassing style.
How about a side bet for $100 on the Hart trophy I’ll take lazy Leon against your man Mr. Mackinnon?
I’m confused now whether it’s 4 or 5 more years (though remain sure it’s not 3).
Capfriendly lists “must sign by” 2024 (while highlighting “27 yo birthday” as the reason). 2024 is 4 years away. But Puljujarvi JUST turned 22, and will only be 26 in 4 years…
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers/reserve-list
~ HH is observing Moving Day, again ~
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I think we can wonder that about every failed Oilers prospect in memory.
I’d take the over on Puljujarvi FWIW, though of course it’s not sure thing he even returns to the league.
Fairly certain he’s Oilers property for 4 seasons after this one. It would have been 7 NHL seasons, ie- 2023, if he hadn’t departed the league but this year in Finland has coordinated the “years of service” and “age” requirements for UFA.
I thought of There’s a tear in my beer and relished it was Hank Jr song and the terrible news of his beautiful 27 year old daughter dying in a roll over on the highway last week.
I am very surprised that Reja offered you those far too kind terms and genuinely shocked that you’re not willing to accept them…
He didn’t win…..
He had more points. He was producing points at a much higher rate this season, and every season since he’s been in the league.
An honest man acknowledges the wager was lost, pays his debt and moves on.
Shit happens, Injuries happen & Covid happens…
Double or nothing seems like the play here. Those tectonic plate movements haven’t let up we see…
TSN only broadcast Oiler games as part of their former national broadcast rights. Sportsnet has had the Oilers regional rights (any games not broadcast nationally) since they got them from ITV (now Global) in the 90s.Even then, it was not that long ago that they tried the PPV ripoff, which was a well deserved disaster. TSN has regional rights for Winnipeg, Ottawa and Montreal (Toronto rights are shared by TSN and Sportsnet) All regular season games are broadcast and, IMHO, they are far superior to Sportnet’s amateur offerings.
Come on Sheila all I’m hearing are crickets.
Phhhhtttt.
Either MCDavid can do it or he can’t.
Take the bet as I laid it out or pound sand.
Your call.
About as reliable as your word is it seems
You know how much your opinion matters to me?
Calm down relax: I’ll tell you what, I just got off the the phone with Vegas and even though Connor has a 4 point lead the Oilers will be playing for their lives. If they manage to win their next opponent will be tough while the Avalanche will be playIng in a a 3 game exhibition love fest waiting to play a weaker opponent once the actual playoffs begin. After all is said and done if Mackinnon outscores Mcdavid in total points counting the regular season and playoffs we are Even Steven. If by the grace of God Mcdavid ends up with more points you donate $225 dollars to our fine host. Deal or No Deal.
LOL
You are also trying to move the goalposts
Lots of witnesses on here
Season is complete
The points from here on out are not counted
Fantasy hockey leagues finished because of this. I would have loved more games to try and move up from 4th in my league.
Pretty straight forward
You made a bet and you lost the bet.
If the worst thing that happens to you because of the pandemic that you lost a bet you were losing then consider yourself lucky
https://theathletic.com/1870340/2020/06/15/lebrun-nhl-coaches-make-their-selke-trophy-picks-and-inside-the-calder-debate/Here’s what I decided to do. I reached out to a source on 11 Western
Conference teams not named Colorado or Vancouver last week and asked a simple question: Makar or Hughes for the Calder?
While most of the respondents qualified their answer by saying how difficult the choice was, I hope Canucks fans avert their eyes to what comes next.
Out of the 11 responses from 11 different Western Conference team sources, 10 voted for Makar and one abstained, saying it was a 50-50 coin toss for him.
End of story…no.
Because he didn’t win.
The bet was based on a complete season and MacKinnon had a game in hand.
May I ask why you aren’t honoring your wager?
McDavid had more points, end of story, no?
Is you issue the season ending early? Well, point per game, McDavid towered over MacKinnon this season and has done so every year McDavid has been in the league.
You point a recent hot streak by MacKinnon but McDavid was just as hot.
I don’t see any honest way not to honor this.
Why would he extend a bet that he won already??
Yes, the territories are part of the Oilers viewing region so all 82 Oilers games are available either on SN regional broadcast or national broadcast.
Outside of the Oilers viewing region, the regional games on SN will be blacked out (unless one is in BC, for example, and they are playing the canucks, the regional Canucks broadcast would be available).
That’s the thing. What does Jesse have to do to increase his trade value? I’m not sure even winning the scoring title does anything but maintain the status quo.
Tell you what…
Since you keep whinging about this, let’s extend the bet.
The wager will extend to the playoffs but will not include the play in or round robin since the potential games played are different.
You would enter the bet with 4 points in the bank.
If McDavid gets more points than MacKinnon, you win.
If MacKinnon outscores McDavid by 5 points in the playoffs, you lose.
If the Oilers lose to Chicago in the play in, you also will lose since the Oilers will not be in the playoffs.
You in?
I live in the NWT, but I guess we’re part of Oil Country.
I’ve never noticed any games being blacked out, we seem to get games from the East and Pacific, as well as all the Calgary and Edmonton games.
Sorry I can’t help.
3 years in the KHL?
I don’t imagine any chance of that happening.
Considering he’s about to go to his 4th team since leaving the Oilers and, this time, traded for cash, I’m thinking maybe not.
In my best Jesse voice:
Never say Never
Bettman on the ESPN special tonight – his interview was maybe 5 minutes long and, really, the questions didn’t lead to anything that any of us paying attention didn’t already know.
Is it safe to play? Relying on medical experts. Focused, jointly with the players, to adhere to the protocols that will be very strict. Lots of testing. Two health issues: COVID 19 (relying on experts) and, also, getting back in to game shape – hence why flexible on dating.
Testing Protocol and Positive Tests: Players and personnel will be test daily. A positive test will lead to isolation and will monitor via contact tracing. An outbreak would be different. Given the bubble “should be” COVID-19 free. Players are also tested in phase 2 and phase 3 so, prior to phase 4, should be in good shape.
Format being “Consistent with Integrity of the Playoffs” – Done in consultation with players that also felt strongly in keeping integrity of the competition. Play-in round to give bubble teams with a chance to make playoffs – bubble teams had differing chances of making the playoffs but each had a chance. After that best of 7 for 4 rounds is as per normal. Full competition. SC champion will be deserving.
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Patrick Kane came on after:
– skated 4 times in phase 2 so far
– asked how long he and his team will need – Kane says he personally needs to be on the ice alot but others differ. Thinks there should be tons of time in a 3-week camp
– What safety protocols does he require? its the biggest concern for the players. The phase 2 measures are super precautions so they are in good shape already.
– asked about no fans and fan energy – looking back, we take fans and 22k fans per night for granted a bit. Would like to think the competitive nature of the players will take over and the opportunity to win the cup will drive. Still want to “put on a show”.
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As an aside, Kane has really grown up and matured – it was a well spoken interview.
In my best Jim Carrey voice. So you’re saying there’s a chance.
I can see him here this next season or the one after rather than waiting 3 years. Kid is going to turn out fine
Yeah, I think the best way to look at Jesse is whatever he KNOWS he is ready for is best. If he’s ready to place a confident bet on himself in Oil silks fine, otherwise more Karpat which was good for him this year. It’s not really about getting most points in Karpat, just digging deeper into his game wherever he’s ready.
If he signs for 3 years in Russia I believe he’ll be a free agent correct me if I’m wrong. I can see this happening unless a GM Is willing to roll a first rounder several teams have multiple picks in the first round.
– He was such a great actor, was in some terrific movies, co starred with Steve McQueen in the amazing Sand Pebbles, Leviathan, Body Heat, of course Karate Kid, Favourite caracter in Kinger’s mind was as Rambo’s “handler”
Crenna (aka Colonel Trautman)”“Let me tell you a story, John. There was a sculptor. He found this stone, a special stone. He dragged it home and he worked on it for months until he finally finished it. When he was ready he showed it to his friends. They said he had created a great masterpiece, but the sculptor said he hadn’t created anything. The statue was always there, he just chipped away the rough edges. You’re always going to be tearing away at yourself until you come to terms with who you are. Until you come full circle.”
“- Col. Samuel Trautman (Crenna): How will you live, John?
– Rambo: Day by day.”
What’s the over-under he catches Yak in goals. Yak is ahead by 45, I sit and wonder if Yak would have found his niche with coach Tippett