First Blush

Ken Holland inherited a fixer upper with some enormous gifts included, but was forced to shop at the bargain store all summer. His biggest move involved trading Milan Lucic (who was not working out) for James Neal (who may work out better) and we’ll see how it goes.

It falls to Dave Tippett to cobble the roster and we saw first blush at practice yesterday. It’s an interesting first glimpse into what the coaching staff is thinking.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, we are celebrating our 2-year anniversary this week. To mark the occasion, you can get 40% off subscriptions until Sept. 19 here.

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Eight key questions for the Oilers to solve at training camp
  • New Jonathan Willis: Predicting the winners of the Oilers’ top-six and top-nine forward jobs out of camp
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: In, out or on the bubble: Breaking down positional battles at Oilers camp
  • New Lowetide: Evan Bouchard and the Calder Trophy: The Oilers’ pursuit of the elusive rookie award
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Alex Chiasson prepares to return to scoring form for Edmonton Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Kyle Brodziak defied the odds, and then the Oilers, to carve out a significant NHL career
  • Lowetide: Can Mikko Koskinen and Mike Smith stop enough pucks for the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Shutdown success by Darnell Nurse and Adam Larsson is a key for the Oilers in 2019-20.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Even if he’s unsure about his return, Oilers’ Connor McDavid looks and sounds like his old self
  • Lowetide: RE 19-20: How can the Oilers’ bottom six close the gap in goal differential?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Kailer Yamamoto and Tyler Benson address respective highs and lows as Oilers rookie camp begins
  • Jonathan Willis: Riley Sheahan is a prudent signing by the Oilers in more ways than one
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers’ defensive hopes will rest on the new shutdown pair of Darnell Nurse and Adam Larsson
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: With Evan Bouchard as the headliner, here are the players to watch at Oilers rookie camp
  • Lowetide: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and the configuration of the Oilers second line
  • Lowetide: Connor McDavid’s 2019-20: Pushing for 50 goals while Dave Tippett loads up the Oilers’ top line
  • Lowetide: Estimating reasonable expectations for the 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers: A difficult journey
  • Jonathan Willis: How much money will Darnell Nurse make on his next NHL contract?
  • Corey Pronman: Oilers No. 9 farm system.
  • Lowetide: Oilers coach Dave Tippett might have to take drastic action in order to find a second outscoring line in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

TIPPETT’S LINES

Leon Draisaitl—Connor McDavid—Zack Kassian. We could see a shuffle on right wing when an option comes available, my guess is James Neal plays at least some of the season with 97. Can McDavid-Draisaitl score 90+ again? I’m betting yes.

Sam Gagner—RNH—James Neal. This is why I love training camp and preseason. It’s like all the ingredients have been on the counter all summer and now the chef is starting to mix them, boil the water and pouring the wine. I don’t think this line a good idea, mostly because of foot speed and defensive acumen on the wings, but Dave Tippett is the chef. Gagner is the most likely player to capitalize offensively.

Jujhar Khaira—Riley Sheahan—Josh Archibald. Tippett talked about a heavy line and a skill line on his bottom six forward group. Khaira is a edgy player, Sheahan is a bigger man and Archibald is a small buzzaw. This line could work.

Markus Granlund—Gaetan Haas—Cameron Hebig. My guess is that Tippett identified pairs and then tacked a third on the side. Granlund-Haas might be a pair opening night, there’s speed and some experience. Nice reward for Hebig’s strong rookie camp showing.

Tomas Jurco—Cooper Marody—Alex Chiasson. I’m not sure there’s a pair here, more like Chiasson tacked to a couple of hopefuls. Still, all three should compete for a job so this line might not make sense but they have to start somewhere.

Joakim Nygard—Colby Cave—Patrick Russell. Both Nygard and Cave have a chance at the NHL opening night lineup, and Russell has some utility. I think Nygard makes the Oilers.

Tyler Benson—Ryan McLeod—Kailer Yamamoto. This could be an opening night Bakersfield line, although McLeod might not get a feature offensive role early in California. Oilers badly need the wingers to cash eventually.

Joe Gambardella—Brad Malone—Josh Currie. All three could play in the NHL this season, all three have some utility. To my mind, Gambardella’s style is a good fit for a Tippett team.

Ostap Safin—Luke Esposito—Anthony Peluso. This is the first trio without a true NHL recall option (that I can see). Peluso has NHL experience but my guess is he’ll play mostly against the Colorado Eagles.

Raphael Lavoie—Nolan Vesey—Kirill Maksimov—Beau Starrett. One imagines these four men get optioned out this weekend or Monday. There may be an NHLer on this line, but it won’t be this fall.

TIPPETT’S PAIRINGS

Oscar Klefbom—Joel Persson. I think there’s a good chance we see these two men together opening night. Oilers seem quite invested in him, even early. If he plays well, suspect he gets at least 20 games.

Darnell Nurse—Adam Larsson. Probably the biggest tweak by Tippett entering camp. Larsson needs a recovery season, Nurse needs a repeat of 2017-18. If this works, music!

Brandon Manning/Kris Russell—Matt Benning. This is the third pairing and I believe the chances of trade during the season are high for this group. Will Russell’s dutchies improve from the left hand side? I’m a fan of Benning and wonder if Tippett’s arrival could give him new life. Manning lined up with Benning because Russell was hurt and he has a chance to win 7D job imo. Not a good chance, but it’s there.

William Lagesson—Evan Bouchard. Both players in this pairing have a substantial chance to make the Oilers, so it’s worth noting they begin camp together. It’s important to find out about Lagesson in the next 12 months. Bouchard is the one defensive prospect whose skill is at a level where he could blow the whole damn bunch out of the water.

Dmitri Samorukov-Caleb Jones. Notable that Jones plays RH side based on depth chart and that could be a tell. I think Jones can win a spot with a solid camp. Samorukov was pedestrian at rookie camp and will want to avoid two lacklustre camps in a row.

Keegan Lowe—Ethan Bear/Vincent Desharnais. Bear is an interesting player in this defensive group, he has a little NHL experience and could slide into the third pairing if healthy and effective. Coverage and speed issues are things to watch for in preseason. Has he improved? Remember: Defensemen do not develop in a straight line. Struggle can mean motivation. Injuries are a concern.

Jake Kulevich-Logan Day. Holy crap this team has a lot of depth if Day is on the seventh pairing opening day at camp. He’s a good player.

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  1. stevebergeron97 says:

    Broberg getting some pretty high praise this morning on Twitter.

  2. Glovjuice says:

    stevebergeron97:
    Broberg getting some pretty high praise this morning on Twitter.

    Yeah, I had hm I think 5-6 and that was tempered a bit by me caving to group think.

  3. jtblack says:

    I think this year you see all kinds of 2016 – 2019 draftees get time in the NHL.

    BOUCHARD, BENSON, YAMAMOTO, SAMORUKOV, MCLEOD, WELLS, SKINNER …..

    But how much will they help this season? not a lot IMO.

    but next year I think you will see 3 – 5 regulars from 2016 – 2019 draftees. That’s when the help finally arrives for Sir Connor

  4. Jethro Tull says:

    Holland inherited the Green Drawing Room built on top of an abandoned hunting shack.

    He’s going to want to dig some foundations.

  5. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    I expect Gambardella and Patrick Russell to have great camps, with their versatility and progression as pros they are as much of a wildcard as any of the newbies.

  6. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    jtblack:
    I think this year you see all kinds of 2016 – 2019 draftees get time in the NHL.

    BOUCHARD, BENSON, YAMAMOTO, SAMORUKOV, MCLEOD, WELLS, SKINNER …..

    But how much will they help this season?not a lot IMO.

    but next year I think you will see 3 – 5 regulars from 2016 – 2019 draftees. That’s when the help finally arrives for Sir Connor

    It’s hard to say, because injuries, but I expect only Bouch and Benny will see NHL time. Yammer needs a full season in the A and the rest are too new to Pro/too far down the the depth chart. Wells is a wildcard for me, he could leapfrog S & S (he reminds me of Matt Murray).

  7. JamesL says:

    These are the days of miracle and wonder
    This is the long distance call
    The way the camera follows us in slo-mo
    The way we look to us all

  8. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    P.S. – I agree with most your takes LT. Hearing Bear is very quick (Gregor) he could block Bouch and Persson (early, early days, but no surprise that he is struggling, but I would never count a guy with his history out). Just needs at bats.

  9. GBandQ says:

    It’s the most wonderful time of the year!
    Really keen to see what Nygard can do (with skill), could he be another Hagelin type (or better)?
    Liked that Tipp was preaching the gospel from the get-go.

    And in case you missed it, here’s Mikko’s new mask.

  10. dustrock says:

    stevebergeron97:
    Broberg getting some pretty high praise this morning on Twitter.

    In Swedish?

  11. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    Gagner and Kassian may be getting prime time looks, but I expect Kassian to start slow, if last year’s script holds. Gags will get booted down the depth chart, because footspeed. Chiasson will do what he did early last season and take Kassian’s spot early (and then fade, where Kassian will end up around Dec, back at 1RW).

    My prediction for to open the season:

    Dra-Mc- Chia
    Nygard-Nuge-Neal
    Granny-Haas-Arch
    Juj-Shea-Kass

    Gamby-PRuss

    Nurse-Lars – I think the season hinges on this pairing
    Klef-Pers
    Lagg-Benning – The Moar Swedes on D, the better…Right?

    Manning in Press Box

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    Puljujarvi with his first of the year – sneaks a bad angle shot through:

    https://www.flashscore.ca/game/zivnZnxH/#video

  13. Cahoon says:

    stevebergeron97,

    What was the praise for those of us who don’t do social media?

  14. Lowetide says:

    Jesse Puljujarvi scored in the Sm-Liiga.

  15. Jethro Tull says:

    GBandQ:
    It’s the most wonderful time of the year!
    Really keen to see what Nygard can do (with skill), could he be another Hagelin type (or better)?
    Liked that Tipp was preaching the gospel from the get-go.

    And in case you missed it, here’s Mikko’s new mask.

    Every single coach that has come in here has said the right things, then been handcuffed by the shittiness of the roster.

    “The aim is not to have Connor and Leon playing so many minutes. Have some other guys carry some load.”

    A coach three games before he increased their playing time.

  16. Lowetide says:

    From Robin Lindgren, a reporter for Sports Express (via google translate):

    Philip Broberg is a bag of candy and a cold can of Cola Zero in front of a good movie one fine Saturday night.

    How that guy plays ice hockey is a total joy to see for a hockey lover and it will be magical to follow his progress this winter. What a player!

  17. dustrock says:

    If you’re doing a hockey draft Left Wing Lock has a pretty good player comparison tool if you can’t decide between a couple of guys. We have a full stats league with hits and PIMs so it’s nice to get a quick look between 3-4 different guys. Even gets into primary/secondary assists and TOI.

    https://leftwinglock.com/skater-compare/index.php?r=again

  18. Lowetide says:

    Midway through the third, Broberg has played 13:10 and is -1. His TOI has him No. 4 among Skelleftea blue.

  19. teddyturnbuckle says:

    I agree LT I don’t like Nuge and Gagner on the same line. We saw this last year and they got absolutely crushed.

  20. Woogie63 says:

    JamesL:
    These are the days of miracle and wonder
    This is the long distance call
    The way the camera follows us in slo-mo
    The way we look to us all

    I just saw Paul in concert at the Maui amphitheatre under a full moon. He can still entertain!

  21. Ribs says:

    Lowetide:
    From Robin Lindgren, a reporter for Sports Express (via google translate):

    Philip Broberg is a bag of candy and a cold can of Cola Zero in front of a good movie one fine Saturday night.

    How that guy plays ice hockey is a total joy to see for a hockey lover and it will be magical to follow his progress this winter. What a player!

    … But can we trust someone who enjoys drinking Coke Zero? Hmm…

  22. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Wouldn’t mind seeing a trade this fall for a young forward prospect. This should be an easy trade to make since Holland has young D to deal the other way. This roster could really round out nicely with an equal forward coming back if we have too many young D pushing for a spot. Especially if a guy like Benning is surpassed by November.

  23. Ryan says:

    I Had a really busy week…

    Caught something about Bouchard having showed up in a supremely high level of physical conditioning. Fittest prospect…

    Anyone else hear anything about this?

  24. jtblack says:

    “They say” DRAFT & DEVELOP.

    OILERS NHL ROSTER PLAYERS FROM EACH DRAFT.

    2012 – KHAIRA
    2013 – NURSE
    2014 – DRAISATL
    2015 – MCDAVID
    2016 – NONE
    2017 – NONE
    2018 – NONE
    2019 – NONE

    Now that should change this year, with Benson, Bouchard. But man is that bleak. Better things ahead for sure.

    I think LT said a Good Team should be graduating 2 players from each draft …

    Obvously we need more time on the last few drafts, but either way, it becomes clear why Edmonton currently has limited depth on their roster

  25. silasbengtsson says:

    Lowetide:
    From Robin Lindgren, a reporter for Sports Express (via google translate):

    Philip Broberg is a bag of candy and a cold can of Cola Zero in front of a good movie one fine Saturday night.

    How that guy plays ice hockey is a total joy to see for a hockey lover and it will be magical to follow his progress this winter. What a player!

    Turned on the Skelleftea game in the 3rd period to watch some Broberg and he immediately toedrags and dekes through 2 defenders to get a spinning breakaway chance and then, a shift later, walks around a guy forcing a penalty.

    In 3-on-3 OT (first shift of it, too), he pulled off a nice one of his soon-to-be patented net drives. Didn’t score, but I love seeing those kinds of chances from a Dman!

  26. Professor Q says:

    jtblack:
    “They say” DRAFT & DEVELOP.

    OILERS NHL ROSTER PLAYERS FROM EACH DRAFT.

    2012 – KHAIRA
    2013 – NURSE
    2014 – DRAISATL
    2015 – MCDAVID
    2016 – NONE
    2017 – NONE
    2018 – NONE
    2019 – NONE

    Now that should change this year, with Benson, Bouchard.But man is that bleak. Better things ahead for sure.

    I think LT said a Good Team should be graduating 2 players from each draft …

    Obvously we need more time on the last few drafts, but either way, it becomes clear why Edmonton currently has limited depth on their roster

    Forgetting about Khaira from 2012, eh?

    Nugent-Hopkins and Oscar Klefbom from 2011 should also be considered.

  27. Halfwise says:

    I can’t wait to watch Mandon Brenning dominate 3rd pairing minutes.

  28. jtblack says:

    Professor Q: Forgetting about Khaira from 2012, eh?

    Nugent-Hopkins and Oscar Klefbom from 2011 should also be considered.

    yah, i edited 2012.

    2011 was a great draft …. certainly the exception for the Oilers ….

    Their depth is starting to bubble under and will come through over the next 2 – 5 years …. unfortunately it will take that long til they are competitive playoff team, year in and year out ..

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    Posted this in the other thread by accident a little while ago:

    5 minutes to go and Skelfeeta are down 4-3.

    Broberg and Berglund seem to be playing 3rd pairing minutes with just under 12 minutes – its close though, the top d-men only have just under 14 so it seems the pairs are being rolled.

    Broberg is -2 with a shot on net. Berglund is even.

    ——————

    Update, Skelfeeta comes back and win in OT.

    Broberg ends up minus 1 but, importantly, almost 18 minutes TOI – fantastic!

  30. Pescador says:

    jtblack:
    “They say” DRAFT & DEVELOP.

    OILERS NHL ROSTER PLAYERS FROM EACH DRAFT.

    2012 – KHAIRA
    2013 – NURSE
    2014 – DRAISATL
    2015 – MCDAVID
    2016 – NONE
    2017 – NONE
    2018 – NONE
    2019 – NONE

    Now that should change this year, with Benson, Bouchard.But man is that bleak. Better things ahead for sure.

    I think LT said a Good Team should be graduating 2 players from each draft …

    Obvously we need more time on the last few drafts, but either way, it becomes clear why Edmonton currently has limited depth on their roster

    Zoikes that is terrible,
    The list could go back
    2007 – Gagner
    2008 – NONE
    2009 – NONE
    2010 – NONE
    2011 – RNH, Klefbom

  31. flyfish1168 says:

    I would like to help out the leaves by taking Nylander for some peanuts. Hope Russell waives limited movement and Manning. They can bury Manning for extra savings and Russell is only 4 mil. I can only wish

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    On paper, I really like the look of that Khaira/Sheahan/Archibald line.

    Khaira is in “Granlund’s spot” – perhaps Granlund is “up for” the 2LW position – he did score almost 20 a few years back in the top 6

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    Does it seem like Haas is more of a lock for the roster than Nygard?

    If that’s true, does that not seem a bit odd given what they’ve accomplished in Europe and the leagues they accomplished it in?

    Over the years, Holland and his people have been know to “know Europe” – what do they see that I’m missing?

    Of course, I haven’t “seen” like they have….

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Safin is clearly way down the depth chart and, fair enough, it was basically a lost season for him last year.

    With that said, from what I saw over the two games last week, Safin is back healthy and is about to re-establish his status.

    His play was the biggest up arrow for me at prospects camp. He looked fast and skilled.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think Manning has a good chance at the 7D job.

    Assuming Russell is in the lineup, there is one lineup spot open for Persson and Jones (or Bear, Lagesson, Bouchard).

    We assume the Persson wins the last defender spot and we don’t want any of the others in the press box.

    Manning is perfect press box fodder – he can stay there nightly.

    If “the injury” hits while on an east coast trip, Manning can play one game in a pinch, I suppose, until the recall from Cali can get there.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Stauffer was pumping up Bear yesterday – tweeted about how much quicker he looks and I guess he tested off the charts, is in great shape.

    I bump him up as a wild card battling with Persson (and Bouchard and Jones).

    Quicker is great – that should help one of his three main issues, puck retrievals.

    Will it help him with defending speed off the rush? We’ll start to find out Monday/Tuesday.

  37. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    On paper, I really like the look of that Khaira/Sheahan/Archibald line.

    Khaira is in “Granlund’s spot” – perhaps Granlund is “up for” the 2LW position – he did score almost 20 a few years back in the top 6

    I wouldn’t get too excited about Granlund playing top 6 minutes.
    He scored 19 goals and 32 points playing primarily with the Sedins.

  38. Jethro Tull says:

    Harpers Hair: I wouldn’t get too excited about Granlund playing top 6 minutes.
    He scored 19 goals and 32 points playing primarily with the Sedins.

    Lol, yeah, how many did Anson Carter get with the twins?

  39. Woogie63 says:

    Calgary must hate the Marner deal.

    They have to shed a $2-$4M contract, to sign Tkachuk

    That is –

    Frolik
    Ryan
    Haminic

  40. Pouzar says:

    Ryan:
    I Had a really busy week…

    Caught something about Bouchard having showed up in a supremely high level of physical conditioning. Fittest prospect…

    Anyone else hear anything about this?

    I did. Tested good amongst the rookies.

    Stauffer raved about the condition Bear showed up in.
    “Completely changed his body composition.”

  41. Jethro Tull says:

    Pouzar: I did. Tested good amongst the rookies.

    Stauffer raved about the condition Bear showed up in.
    “Completely changed his body composition.”

    He’s now a Horta?

  42. jtblack says:

    Pescador: Zoikes that is terrible,
    The list could go back
    2007 –Gagner
    2008 – NONE
    2009 – NONE
    2010 – NONE
    2011 –RNH, Klefbom

    And that folks, is how you miss the playoffs 12 out of 13 years ….

  43. Pouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: He’s now a Horta?

    Sorta?

  44. Jethro Tull says:

    Pouzar: Sorta?

    He oughta.

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    Apologies for quoting a post from last night but I think its important vis-a-vis next season:

    ProfessorQ:
    As for the Oilers, they are not in Cap Hell, as the Leafs are. They have something like $30 million opening up next offseason with Nurse being the primary concern, and goaltending. Maybe they sign Andersen and go on to win Back-to-Back Stanley Cups, who knows?

    The Oilers have about $25M in cap space next off-season (depending on the cap) but need to sign/acquire 13 players/contracts. Assume $7M for Nurse (it won’t be more than a million less for best case scenario) and we are looking at $18M for 12 players.

    Cap space is an issue next off-season as well and is why its absolutely essential that Kris Russell is moved in a clear disposition for $4M in cap space before the end of draft weekend next offseason.

  46. norm_klassen says:

    Pure talent alone wont make the NHL you need the work ethic. Bear probably seen a McDavid training video and if he worked half as hard as him he should be in shape(superior condition)

  47. norm_klassen says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Nobody will take him until the signing bonus is paid right?

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  49. Harpers Hair says:

    Jethro Tull: Lol, yeah, how many did Anson Carter get with the twins?

    And Alex Burrows once scored 35.
    Alex Burrows.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Puljujarvi adds an assist – playing the left point on the PP – his one-timer, a bomb, is deflected in.

  51. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Apologies for quoting a post from last night but I think its important vis-a-vis next season:

    The Oilers have about $25M in cap space next off-season (depending on the cap) but need to sign/acquire 13 players/contracts. Assume $7M for Nurse (it won’t be more than a million less for best case scenario) and we are looking at $18M for 12 players.

    Cap space is an issue next off-season as well and is why its absolutely essential that Kris Russell is moved in a clear disposition for $4M in cap space before the end of draft weekend next offseason.

    This all day long OP. (It’s Bizarro day, I’m agreeing with you!)

    On top of this, Ken has to find above replacement level for these players, preferably for cheaper.

    Also very important we have some prospects graduate and restock those graduates.

    This is where other teams have killed it, having guys come up that are equal or better than the departing veteran on inflated contracts.

  52. Jethro Tull says:

    Harpers Hair: And Alex Burrows once scored 35.
    Alex Burrows.

    I should qualify the Carter comment, he had a history of scoring, but was on the down stroke of his career when with Vancouver.

  53. Side says:

    Jethro Tull: This all day long OP. (It’s Bizarro day, I’m agreeing with you!)

    On top of this, Ken has to find above replacement level for these players, preferably for cheaper.

    Also very important we have some prospects graduate and restock those graduates.

    This is where other teams have killed it, having guys come up that are equal or better than the departing veteran on inflated contracts.

    Well to be fair, the Oilers did have guys come up that were equal or better than departing veterans but this leads into another way other teams killed it – they convinced the Oilers to give these players to them for next to nothing in return.

    Good times.

  54. Jaxon says:

    I think I’d like to see this:

    Draisaitl – McDavid – Gagner
    Khaira – Nugent-Hopkins – Neal
    Granlund – Sheahan – Chiasson
    Nygard – Haas – Kassian
    Jurco/Archibald

    With Benson and Marody pushing and getting recalled after first injuries.

  55. Jethro Tull says:

    Side: Well to be fair, the Oilers did have guys come up that were equal or better than departing veterans but this leads into another way other teams killed it – they convinced the Oilers to give these players to them for next to nothing in return.

    Good times.

    Lol yeah, it’s not a ringing endorsement of the team in general for the last decade.

    Even with the 16/17 team when we blundered into a good team, they got bum’s rush because it didn’t happen to “The Plan”.

  56. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Puljujarvi adds an assist – playing the left point on the PP – his one-timer, a bomb, is deflected in.

    McLellan and HItchcock never positioned Jesse in the spots where he plays in Europe. They tried turning him into an up and down right winger. They have a dynamic player, and they put him in a straightjacket.

  57. defmn says:

    Jaxon:
    I think I’d like to see this:

    Draisaitl – McDavid – Gagner
    Khaira – Nugent-Hopkins – Neal
    Granlund – Sheahan – Chiasson
    Nygard – Haas – Kassian
    Jurco/Archibald

    With Benson and Marody pushing and getting recalled after first injuries.

    I like that. You could flip Nygard with Khaira and Kassian with Gagner for a different look depending on opponent and – of course – if Nygard comes as hoped.

  58. Numenius says:

    Jaxon:
    I think I’d like to see this:

    Draisaitl – McDavid – Gagner
    Khaira – Nugent-Hopkins – Neal
    Granlund – Sheahan – Chiasson
    Nygard – Haas – Kassian
    Jurco/Archibald

    With Benson and Marody pushing and getting recalled after first injuries.

    I really like that, too. Gagner may still have the offensive chops to play with those guys and doesn’t have to be the speedster, since they can take care of that. Also Khaira has shown top six flashes in the past.

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    Larsson down 10 pounds over the summer.

    So, he’s starting – he’ll be even meaner out there!

  60. Glovjuice says:

    Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes:
    Gagner and Kassian may be getting prime time looks, but I expect Kassian to start slow, if last year’s script holds.Gags will get booted down the depth chart, because footspeed.Chiasson will do what he did early last season and take Kassian’s spot early (and then fade, where Kassian will end up around Dec, back at 1RW).

    My prediction for to open the season:

    Dra-Mc- Chia
    Nygard-Nuge-Neal
    Granny-Haas-Arch
    Juj-Shea-Kass

    Gamby-PRuss

    Nurse-Lars– I think the season hinges on this pairing
    Klef-Pers
    Lagg-Benning – The Moar Swedes on D, the better…Right?

    Manning in Press Box

    Yeah, this is what should happen first in my mind. Nygard is a player. And very fast. Him with Nuge and Neil is the ticket I’d Neil not up on R with McDavid.

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    Spurgeon re-signs at 7 years for just over $7.5M.

    I think Spurgeon has been great but this is the exact reason he was never on my radar for the Oilers right side. He’d have been a great fit but he’s going to be 30 2 months in to the season.

    Crazy term!

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    We’ve had a few posts about it but, to recap it in one place:

    Karpat’s first league game today, 3-1 win.

    Jesse with a goal and an assist.

    The goal was off a faceoff – a bad angle shot that snuck through.

    The assist, well, he was left point on the PP, snuck in off the line an took a snap shot one-timer from outside the slot, that was deflected in – it was a good shot.

    Good stuff, there is no negative from him playing strong hockey in Liiga.

  63. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Apologies for quoting a post from last night but I think its important vis-a-vis next season:

    The Oilers have about $25M in cap space next off-season (depending on the cap) but need to sign/acquire 13 players/contracts. Assume $7M for Nurse (it won’t be more than a million less for best case scenario) and we are looking at $18M for 12 players.

    Cap space is an issue next off-season as well and is why its absolutely essential that Kris Russell is moved in a clear disposition for $4M in cap space before the end of draft weekend next offseason.

    Concerning but not Hellish.

  64. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Spurgeon re-signs at 7 years for just over $7.5M.

    I think Spurgeon has been great but this is the exact reason he was never on my radar for the Oilers right side.He’d have been a great fit but he’s going to be 30 2 months in to the season.

    Crazy term!

    I would take Josh Morrissey anyday over Spurgeon. It will be interesting to see where Nurse feels he is worth between these 2 players and contracts.

  65. OilSlickster says:

    Jaxon:
    I think I’d like to see this:

    Draisaitl – McDavid – Gagner
    Khaira – Nugent-Hopkins – Neal
    Granlund – Sheahan – Chiasson
    Nygard – Haas – Kassian
    Jurco/Archibald

    With Benson and Marody pushing and getting recalled after first injuries.

    And for some odd reason I’d like to see 1 game of:

    Nygard- McDavid- Archibald
    Benson- Draisaitl- Neal
    Khaira- Nuge- Gagner
    Granlund- Sheahan- Kassian

  66. ArmchairGM says:

    Ribs: … But can we trust someone who enjoys drinking Coke Zero? Hmm…

    Hey! I drink Coke Zero!

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    TwinkleMoFotoes:
    Gagner and Kassian may be getting prime time looks, but I expect Kassian to start slow, if last year’s script holds.Gags will get booted down the depth chart, because footspeed.Chiasson will do what he did early last season and take Kassian’s spot early (and then fade, where Kassian will end up around Dec, back at 1RW).

    My prediction for to open the season:

    Dra-Mc- Chia
    Nygard-Nuge-Neal
    Granny-Haas-Arch
    Juj-Shea-Kass

    Gamby-PRuss

    Nurse-Lars– I think the season hinges on this pairing
    Klef-Pers
    Lagg-Benning – The Moar Swedes on D, the better…Right?

    Manning in Press Box

    Gagner booted not just down the depth chart but off the roster?

  68. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide:
    Broberg damn near scores
    https://twitter.com/coreypronman/status/1172895076382584832

    This guy needs to do offseason training with McDavid. Lot of the same attributes, he could benefit from the best training and the best training partner.

    Next-gen Paul Coffey?

  69. Jethro Tull says:

    OilSlickster: And for some odd reason I’d like to see 1 game of:

    Nygard- McDavid- Archibald
    Benson- Draisaitl- Neal
    Khaira- Nuge- Gagner
    Granlund- Sheahan- Kassian

    …some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  70. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think Manning has a good chance at the 7D job.

    Assuming Russell is in the lineup, there is one lineup spot open for Persson and Jones (or Bear, Lagesson, Bouchard).

    We assume the Persson wins the last defender spot and we don’t want any of the others in the press box.

    Manning is perfect press box fodder – he can stay there nightly.

    If “the injury” hits while on an east coast trip, Manning can play one game in a pinch, I suppose, until the recall from Cali can get there.

    I agree he’s got a good shot at 7D.

    I think we’re overly negative about this players hockey ability based on last season though.

    He’s just one year removed from being a good 3rd pairing defender. Positive Corsi, Fenwick, shots and goals with Philadelphia in 17-18. He could very easily be a 5-7D on merit.

  71. ArmchairGM says:

    Pouzar: I did. Tested good amongst the rookies.

    Stauffer raved about the condition Bear showed up in.
    “Completely changed his body composition.”

    More grizzley and less panda?

  72. ArmchairGM says:

    norm_klassen:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Nobody will take him until the signing bonus is paid right?

    More than likely, yes. So July 1st, I believe.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    I agree LT I don’t like Nuge and Gagner on the same line.We saw this last year and they got absolutely crushed.

    126 minutes together: 5GF, 12GA

    Ya, that is not good.

  74. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Handicapping Oilers prospect progress: The development of Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones and William Lagesson

    https://theathletic.com/1209646/2019/09/14/handicapping-oilers-prospect-progress-the-development-of-ethan-bear-caleb-jones-and-william-lagesson/

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie;:
    Calgary must hate the Marner deal.

    They have to shed a $2-$4M contract, to sign Tkachuk

    That is –

    Frolik
    Ryan
    Haminic

    I think Frolik is the guy that goes.

    He’d be a great fit on the Oilers as well but I don’t see it happening.

    Frolik has value but the flames will get no value back and may have to pay a team to provide the cap space but that is their top option I think.

  76. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Apologies for quoting a post from last night but I think its important vis-a-vis next season:

    The Oilers have about $25M in cap space next off-season (depending on the cap) but need to sign/acquire 13 players/contracts. Assume $7M for Nurse (it won’t be more than a million less for best case scenario) and we are looking at $18M for 12 players.

    Cap space is an issue next off-season as well and is why its absolutely essential that Kris Russell is moved in a clear disposition for $4M in cap space before the end of draft weekend next offseason.

    Here’s another piece that you haven’t considered for: James Neal. If he can score 25+ this year he’ll have value next summer too and could be traded for a player on a smaller contract as people will see the Calgary year as an aberration rather than a sign of things to come.

    If Holland could work a deal like Neal for Myles Wood or similar (NJ likely doesn’t re-sign Simmonds) and use the savings to go towards a better / younger winger, I’d be very happy.

    If Woodcroft keeps up his stellar work, regular roster spots will be able to be filled with ELC’s beginning next year, eliminating the need to sign a dozen or more bottom six “hopefuls” going forward.

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    normklassen:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Nobody will take him until the signing bonus is paid right?

    Maybe, maybe not.

    A team like Ottawa would care.

    A team like Boston would not.

  78. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Puljujarvi adds an assist – playing the left point on the PP – his one-timer, a bomb, is deflected in.

    Point-per-game!

  79. ArmchairGM says:

    Sung to Ozzy Osbourne’s Dreamer:

    Gazing through the window at the Rogers Place
    Wondering will Edmonton survive
    Hoping that Chiarelli stops abusing her, sometime

    After all there’s only just a million of us
    And here we are still fighting for our lives
    Wishing that history would repeat itself, time after time

    I’m just a dreamer, I dream my life away
    I’m just a dreamer, who dreams of Eighties days

    I watch the sun go down like Connor and Leon
    I’m hoping that the draft will bring a star
    A better place for those who will come after us, this time

    I’m just a dreamer, I dream my life away oh yeah
    I’m just a dreamer, who dreams of Glory days

    Your higher power maybe Gretzky or Coffey
    It doesn’t really matter much to me
    Without the first round picks there ain’t no hope for us
    I’m living in a dream of fantasy, oh yeah yeah yeah!

    If only we could all just find serenity
    It would be nice if we could win the Cup
    When will all this Russell, Neal and Koskinen be gone?

    I’m just a dreamer, I dream my life away (today)
    I’m just a dreamer, who dreams of Eighties days (okay)
    I’m just a dreamer, who’s searching for the way (today)
    I’m just a dreamer, dreaming my life away (oh yeah yeah yeah)

  80. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Apologies for quoting a post from last night but I think its important vis-a-vis next season:

    The Oilers have about $25M in cap space next off-season (depending on the cap) but need to sign/acquire 13 players/contracts. Assume $7M for Nurse (it won’t be more than a million less for best case scenario) and we are looking at $18M for 12 players.

    Cap space is an issue next off-season as well and is why its absolutely essential that Kris Russell is moved in a clear disposition for $4M in cap space before the end of draft weekend next offseason.

    Yup, about $25M.

    Professor mentioned goaltending. For me that’s the biggest wild card.

    If Koskinen is a league average (or better) starter his is a value deal. If he shits the bed the team needs to buy him out and pay for a replacement. It’s a potentially huge swing in how much the position costs.

    But if Koskinen proves worthy the team should have the cash to add at least one substantial contract in addition to re-signing Nurse.

  81. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Larsson down 10 pounds over the summer.

    So, he’s starting – he’ll be even meaner out there!

    Hangry?

  82. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    We’ve had a few posts about it but, to recap it in one place:

    Karpat’s first league game today, 3-1 win.

    Jesse with a goal and an assist.

    The goal was off a faceoff – a bad angle shot that snuck through.

    The assist, well, he was left point on the PP, snuck in off the line an took a snap shot one-timer from outside the slot, that was deflected in – it was a good shot.

    Good stuff, there is no negative from him playing strong hockey in Liiga.

    Isn’t this their 2nd league game? Keep up the Puljujarvi updates please!

  83. jp says:

    Jethro Tull: …some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

    Lol

  84. Lowetide says:

    Broberg played 17:40 today, minus 1. 2 SOG. By the video and the verbal has was quality. Berglund 14:56 and he was even plus minus (1-1).

  85. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    The Money Man cashed out … got his ticket to paradise. RIP.

  86. jp says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    I agree LT I don’t like Nuge and Gagner on the same line.We saw this last year and they got absolutely crushed.

    I’ve been expecting Gagner has a good chance to find a role in the top 6 and have posed lineups with Gagner-Nuge-Neal 2nd lines a number of times. But yeah the numbers (in small sample size) have been ugly.

    In addition to the GF-GA the underlying numbers last year were bad too. CF, FF, SF SCA all under 44%. 2.37 GF/60, 5.68 GA/60.

    It’s a small sample so I looked at when they played together with the Oilers previously (11-12 to 13-14).

    They only played 123 minutes together total in the 3 years, so basically the same sample as last year. The CF, FF, SF, SCA were all under 42%. Just putrid. And GF% was 44.4 (2.44 GA/60, 2.93 GA/60).

    The total sample is still under 250 minutes so we should still take it with a grain of salt. But it’s definitely not encouraging. They’ll get another chance in camp but it’s very tough to recommend Gagner as a good linemate for Nuge based on their history.

  87. norm_klassen says:

    IF NOBODY DOESN’T START THE
    BROBERG! BROBERG! chant I quit watching professional hockey watching

  88. McSorley33 says:

    Brandon Manning competing for a 7D spot- at the NHL level?
    ( does Woodcroft even want him down on the farm ?)

    30 year old Sam Gagner in the top 6 – at the NHL level?

    Have not made my Hunter Death March predictions yet …….but it just
    has the feel of a 80 point season.

  89. Oilman99 says:

    jp: I agree he’s got a good shot at 7D.

    I think we’re overly negative about this players hockey ability based on last season though.

    He’s just one year removed from being a good 3rd pairing defender. Positive Corsi, Fenwick, shots and goals with Philadelphia in 17-18. He could very easily be a 5-7D on merit.

    Not sure how Manning can be a NHL d-man when he couldn’t even stick as an AHL regular.

  90. McNuge93 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think Frolik is the guy that goes.

    He’d be a great fit on the Oilers as well but I don’t see it happening.

    Frolik has value but the flames will get no value back and may have to pay a team to provide the cap space but that is their top option I think.

    I agree, the whole trade market is tight. Too many teams with cap constraints. I could see Carolina with Faulk and Flames with Brodie bidding with a buying team to see who can give away the most to get rid of their player.

  91. Oilman99 says:

    ArmchairGM: Isn’t this their 2nd league game? Keep up the Puljujarvi updates please!

    If he doesn’t dominate at this level , there is no hope of him ever coming back to the NHL. He needs to average at least two points per game for an extended period of time, then the up dates might be worth hearing.

  92. Oilman99 says:

    McSorley33:
    Brandon Manning competing for a 7D spot- at the NHL level?
    ( does Woodcroft even want him down on the farm ?)

    30 year old Sam Gagner in the top 6 – at the NHL level?

    Have not made my Hunter Death March predictions yet …….but it just
    has the feel of a 80 point season.

    If Manning is on the team, and Gagner is a top six starter, we have major problems before the season even starts.

  93. oilersfan says:

    Oilman99,

    Kaako has 38 points in 45 games and is the second over all pick people are drooling over

    Panaris had 1.15! PPG as a 23 year old and is the best European UFA in a generation

    But Jesse has to get 2 PPG as a 20 year old to have value?

    The negative perspective on JP around the NHL is ridiculous. 1 PPG as a 20 year old should be more than enough to garner a decent prospect: late first rounder or arrows up prospect

  94. OilSlickster says:

    Jethro Tull,

    My favorite movie haha

  95. ArmchairGM says:

    Oilman99: If he doesn’t dominate at this level , there is no hope of him ever coming back to the NHL. He needs to average at least two points per game for an extended period of time, then the up dates might be worth hearing.

    Averaging 2 P/GP is unheard of in Liiga. His value would be off-the-charts good (think elite prospect + 1st round pick) if he could hit that number. 60 points in 50 games is about the ceiling for Liiga scoring.

  96. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM: This guy needs to do offseason training with McDavid. Lot of the same attributes, he could benefit from the best training and the best training partner.

    Next-gen Paul Coffey?

    The Oilers have development camp where they introduce players to state-of-the-art skating development drills. Broberg knew almost all the drills already. I think he has people, and they may be ask good as anybody out there.

  97. ArmchairGM says:

    Oilman99: If Manning is on the team, and Gagner is a top six starter, we have major problems before the season even starts.

    Major problems: this would be news?

  98. Material Elvis says:

    Down at the open practice today. McDavid is ready to play — turning on a dime, taking light contact in the corners. I have no concerns after seeing him today. He and Draisaitl were putting on a show on the 2 on 1 drills.

    I’m interested to see Bear in game action. He is much slimmer and his footwork was excellent in the drills they did. I think he has the best slap shot other than Klefbom. Persson can really shoot it, too, but Bear’s is elite.

  99. godot10 says:

    McSorley33:
    Brandon Manning competing for a 7D spot- at the NHL level?
    ( does Woodcroft even want him down on the farm ?)

    30 year old Sam Gagner in the top 6 – at the NHL level?

    Have not made my Hunter Death March predictions yet …….but it just
    has the feel of a 80 point season.

    The 7D spot in Edmonton amounts to sitting in the pressbox. Any prospect will be down in Bakersfield. Manning is qualified to sit in the pressbox. Russell also.

  100. jp says:

    McSorley33:
    Brandon Manning competing for a 7D spot- at the NHL level?
    ( does Woodcroft even want him down on the farm ?)

    Oilman99: Not sure how Manning can be a NHL d-man when he couldn’t even stick as an AHL regular.

    He’s one season removed from being a solid 3rd pair NHL defenseman. He’s 29 years old. Tippett has talked about him and mentioned how motivated he is to improve from last year. The team doesn’t want a young player sitting in the PB.

    I’ve alway taken Manning sitting in the AHL last year as Woodcroft not wanting to disrupt a good thing. To continue letting the young players, who went on a huge run and got Bakersfield to the playoffs, to keep developing.

    I’m not suggesting Manning will be a regular with the Oilers, but he could well get back to what he was prior to last year and play like a competent 5-7D. And unless he’s absolutely terrible he has a good chance to win the 7D spot because the young guys aren’t going to be sitting in the PB.

  101. jp says:

    Oilman99: If he doesn’t dominate at this level , there is no hope of him ever coming back to the NHL. He needs to average at least two points per game for an extended period of time, then the up dates might be worth hearing.

    The league plays a 60 game schedule. No player has scored 70 point there in the last 10 seasons.

  102. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    ArmchairGM: Major problems: this would be news?

    Was thinking exactly the same thing.

  103. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    godot10: The 7D spot in Edmonton amounts to sitting in the pressbox.Any prospect will be down in Bakersfield.Manning is qualified to sit in the pressbox.Russell also.

    Must be nice to be very poor at your job but be almost guaranteed of employment at an extreme level of compensation.

  104. defmn says:

    I have a question for the group that has bugged me since the draft about Broberg.

    Almost all the talk was about taking him ahead of various offensive players still on the board but what I wondered about was why Yzerman would take Moritz Seider two spots earlier. I don’t follow Detroit so maybe Seider is ripping up the exhibition season in the DEL and I just haven’t heard but it seems like Broberg is getting a lot of love early on while I never hear Seider’s name mentioned in the MSM.

    The reason this puzzles me is that Holland and Yzerman sat side by side all last year and I have to think had a lot of conversations about who to take first in the draft.

    So why did Yzerman choose Seider over Broberg?

    Anybody know?

  105. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Must be nice to be very poor at your job but be almost guaranteed of employment at an extreme level of compensation.

    Like most politicians??

  106. Material Elvis says:

    Pouzar: uhhhh

    https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1172951905317707776

    He finished the rest of practice so not concerned.

  107. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    The cap era seems to be reaching a new set of conditions.
    There is only so much pie to go around for teams and the league in total.
    It seems like there is not much pie left to go around after the signing of the young rfas.
    It would be interesting to see the total unused cap space league wide over the last 10 years.
    Anyone that is not as lazy as me…??

    I also don’t see the cap going up a lot for the next few years, given the impending economic crisis in North America…

  108. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Like most politicians??

    Touche.

  109. Yeti says:

    ArmchairGM: Major problems: this would be news?

    Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

  110. Winagameeh says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Wow! Nice to see him doing so well. Good on Holland!

  111. Wonder Llama says:

    ArmchairGM: More grizzley and less panda?

    Good music either way.

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley:
    Brandon Manning competing for a 7D spot- at the NHL level?
    ( does Woodcroft even want him down on the farm ?)

    30 year old Sam Gagner in the top 6 – at the NHL level?

    Have not made my Hunter Death March predictions yet …….but it just
    has the feel of a 80 point season.

    Gagner got the first skate at 2LW but Tippett was pretty clear lots of players will get a shot there.

    The thought on Manning was a clear press box option so that the likes of Jones, Bear, Lagesson aren’t “not playing”. I believe only one poster speculated that he may not be a horrible option for the 3rd pairing.

    Personally, I”m not quite ready to catastrophize Gagner as the 2LW and Manning on the roster cratering the season quite yet.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman: If he doesn’t dominate at this level , there is no hope of him ever coming back to the NHL. He needs to average at least two points per game for an extended period of time, then the up dates might be worth hearing.

    He needs to be the best offensive player in the history of the league?

  114. flyfish1168 says:

    Material Elvis: He finished the rest of practice so not concerned.

    Next test will be tomorrow morning how he feels

  115. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar: He needs to be the bestoffensive player in the history of the league?

    Wouldn’t that be funny … generational talent under Oil control but refuses to play for Oil.

  116. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    flyfish1168: Next test will be tomorrow morning how he feels

    You mean the knee swollen to the size of a basketball?

  117. hunter1909 says:

    IT’S BACK!!!!!!!!! FOR ANOTHER EXCITING, INCREDIBLE SEASON

    Hunter1909’s Official 2019-20 Death March™

    Entries welcome between now and the first puck drop of the 2019-20 season(October 2)

    Here’s how you play: Guess how many points the Oilers get in the regular season.

    That’s it!

    Tie break: How many goals does JP score for his new Finnish team?

  118. JimmyV1965 says:

    Oilman99: If Manning is on the team, and Gagner is a top six starter, we have major problems before the season even starts.

    Manning is the designated sitter, whether he’s in the NHL or AHL. That’s his role. I’m too lazy to check, but I would think he’s not even 12th on the overall depth chart.

  119. Alpine says:

    Could see them trading Benning for an F who’s a similar position, experienced but hasn’t broke out yet.

    He’s still useful enough that it’s not a great idea to move him for just a pick but it doesn’t seem like they rate him much if they’re already testing Persson on the 2nd pairing.

    Though maybe Tippett has already subscribed to the Godot Hypothesis that Russell shouldn’t be breaking in rookies and so Benning becomes the right partner by default.

  120. ArmchairGM says:

    hunter1909:
    IT’S BACK!!!!!!!!! FOR ANOTHER EXCITING, INCREDIBLE SEASON

    Hunter1909’s Official 2019-20 Death March™

    Entries welcome between now and the first puck drop of the 2019-20 season(October 2)

    Here’s how you play: Guess how many points the Oilers get in the regular season.

    That’s it!

    Tie break: How many goals does JP score for his new Finnish team?

    Not a chance I put in my prognosis until October – every day of TC tells us something and JP’s season in Finland is already underway!

    But thanks for doing this again!

  121. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack:
    I think this year you see all kinds of 2016 – 2019 draftees get time in the NHL.

    BOUCHARD, BENSON, YAMAMOTO, SAMORUKOV, MCLEOD, WELLS, SKINNER …..

    But how much will they help this season?not a lot IMO.

    but next year I think you will see 3 – 5 regulars from 2016 – 2019 draftees. That’s when the help finally arrives for Sir Connor

    If you think of it this way, that any time a player comes on the roster that is better than the player they are replacing the team gets better, some rookie additions can help.

    It’s not ideal but if a rookie can bring more offense and not do any worse on defence, it’s a win. Get better players.

  122. Woogie63 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think Frolik is the guy that goes.

    He’d be a great fit on the Oilers as well but I don’t see it happening.

    Frolik has value but the flames will get no value back and may have to pay a team to provide the cap space but that is their top option I think.

    Manning for Frolik makes some sense to me.

  123. Ranford.85 says:

    In my wildest dreams…

    Nurse continues to improve his all around game and then signs 6 x 6.5$ – 7$

    Larsson has a good redemption year.

    Kelfbom stays healthy.

    Benning or Persson can hold down the 2RD job.

    Bouchard stays in the AHL all year.

    Russell plays less minutes and gets traded at the deadline.

    Jones-Lagesson-Bear get plenty at bats to gain experience and to give Ken an idea of what to do on the last year of their ELCs.

    Bear is my wild card. Especially after hearing him continually talk about his summer and what it takes to be a pro. Sounds like he has a different mindstate/level but we’ll see.

    Even if all that comes to pass, which is highly unlikely, I feel our teams success this year rides on upon goaltender duo’s overall success.

  124. JimmyV1965 says:

    defmn:
    I have a question for the group that has bugged me since the draft about Broberg.

    Almost all the talk was about taking him ahead of various offensive players still on the board but what I wondered about was why Yzerman would take Moritz Seider two spots earlier. I don’t follow Detroit so maybe Seider is ripping up the exhibition season in the DEL and I just haven’t heard but it seems like Broberg is getting a lot of love early on while I never hear Seider’s name mentioned in the MSM.

    The reason this puzzles me is that Holland and Yzerman sat side by side all last year and I have to think had a lot of conversations about who to take first in the draft.

    So why did Yzerman choose Seider over Broberg?

    Anybody know?

    I’m not sure why the Wings took Seider so high, but by all accounts he was very good at Traverse City. He’s still in North America and might not go back to DEL. Could go AHL route or possibly NHL, although this is unlikely. I’m sure no one pays attention to Broberg outside of Edmonton and the SHL.

  125. defmn says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not sure why the Wings took Seider so high, but by all accounts he was very good at Traverse City. He’s still in North America and might not go back to DEL. Could go AHL route or possibly NHL, although this is unlikely. I’m sure no one pays attention to Broberg outside of Edmonton and the SHL.

    Thanks. I’m not sure that no one pays attention to Broberg outside of the Oilers, but maybe I need to enlarge my oiler-centric twitter feed. 😉

  126. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Spurgeon re-signs at 7 years for just over $7.5M.

    I think Spurgeon has been great but this is the exact reason he was never on my radar for the Oilers right side.He’d have been a great fit but he’s going to be 30 2 months in to the season.

    Crazy term!

    A smart team only retires players like Connor.

    It’s cold but if staying at the top matters you have to do it.

    I think as GM you try to time contracts so non elite players can be dealt to replenish and let others take the hit in decline.

    Dubas is the current golden boy but he has done what the geezers and troglodytes do and capped himself. With a talented but unbalanced team. He has also found himself in a position where his best players are re upping at the worst possible age.

    Perfect. Get the rake.

  127. BONE207 says:

    ArmchairGM: Hey! I drink Coke Zero!

    I used to drink Coke 0…with whiskey. I’ve since abandoned the coke.

  128. ArmchairGM says:

    BONE207: I used to drink Coke 0…with whiskey. I’ve since abandoned the coke.

    I would never – ever – do that to my whiskey. But I do enjoy Coke Zero on a regular basis.

    To me, if whiskey must be diluted by anything other than water in order to drink it, it’s not worth drinking. And I do enjoy whiskey on a regular basis too.

  129. Eh Team says:

    JimmyV1965: Manning is the designated sitter, whether he’s in the NHL or AHL. That’s his role. I’m too lazy to check, but I would think he’s not even 12th on the overall depth chart.

    If Manning is in the NHL just to sit in the pressbox, why not just go with a 22 man roster and save the cap space?

  130. Primetime says:

    Eh Team: If Manning is in the NHL just to sit in the pressbox, why not just go with a 22 man roster and save the cap space?

    Good question, the thought was that it allows the youngsters to play full time in the AHL until a longterm injury happens and they could be called up in a day or two to play games.

    But would Caleb Jones be better served spotting in for 40 games this year in either Russell or Bennings spot on the the third pairing instead?

  131. Harpers Hair says:

    ArmchairGM: I would never – ever – do that to my whiskey. But I do enjoy Coke Zero on a regular basis.

    To me, if whiskey must be diluted by anything other than water in order to drink it,it’s not worth drinking. And I do enjoy whiskey on a regular basis too.

    One ice cube.
    Everything else is blasphemous.

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie: Manning for Frolik makes some sense to me.

    They signed Stone for their cheap injury replacement – I don’t think they’d take the contract back even though the transaction would save a couple million.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    EhTeam: If Manning is in the NHL just to sit in the pressbox, why not just go with a 22 man roster and save the cap space?

    They can’t not have an extra D on the roster – that’s a bit much.

    Someone gets sick on game day, etc.

  134. hunter1909 says:

    Unless you’re talking about Irish alcohol, some of you need remedial lessons in whisky theory.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Speaking of the DEL, I just bought my wife and brother-in law tickets to the game in Munich on September 22 – Go Red Bulls!

  136. Harpers Hair says:

    Scungilli Slushy: A smart team only retires players like Connor.

    It’s cold but if staying at the top matters you have to do it.

    I think as GM you try to time contracts so non elite players can be dealt to replenish and let others take the hit in decline.

    Dubas is the current golden boy but he has done what the geezers and troglodytes do and capped himself. With a talented but unbalanced team. He has also found himself in a position where his best players are re upping at the worst possible age.

    Perfect. Get the rake.

    Actually, Dubas has done the exact opposite.
    All his key players contracts end just as the players are expected to start declining.
    Not only will he have tremendous assets to trade to unwitting teams, but he will have enormous cap flexibility once this group of superstars move through the system.
    He’s way ahead of the curve.

  137. Scungilli Slushy says:

    defmn:
    I have a question for the group that has bugged me since the draft about Broberg.

    Almost all the talk was about taking him ahead of various offensive players still on the board but what I wondered about was why Yzerman would take Moritz Seider two spots earlier. I don’t follow Detroit so maybe Seider is ripping up the exhibition season in the DEL and I just haven’t heard but it seems like Broberg is getting a lot of love early on while I never hear Seider’s name mentioned in the MSM.

    The reason this puzzles me is that Holland and Yzerman sat side by side all last year and I have to think had a lot of conversations about who to take first in the draft.

    So why did Yzerman choose Seider over Broberg?

    Anybody know?

    Because Holland would have taken Seider and Stevie knew it?

  138. Lowetide says:

    Eh Team: If Manning is in the NHL just to sit in the pressbox, why not just go with a 22 man roster and save the cap space?

    It sounds crazy, but the problem is that someone wakes up with a sore something and you need a guy. It happens a lot.

  139. Lowetide says:

    defmn:

    So why did Yzerman choose Seider over Broberg?

    Yzerman and Detroit liked him over Broberg. That’s the only reasonable answer.

  140. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: Actually, Dubas has done the exact opposite.
    All his key players contracts end just as the players are expected to start declining.
    Not only will he have tremendous assets to trade to unwitting teams, but he will have enormous cap flexibility once this group of superstars move through the system.
    He’s way ahead of the curve.

    You tell yourself whatever you have to but please don’t feed that crap to the rest of us.

  141. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide: It sounds crazy, but the problem is that someone wakes up with a sore something and you need a guy. It happens a lot.

    Just another Toronto advantage.
    If someone wakes up with a sore pubis, Dubas just walks down the hall and points a finger at the next man up.
    Two former first round picks in Sandin and Liljgren ready to go.

  142. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: Actually, Dubas has done the exact opposite.
    All his key players contracts end just as the players are expected to start declining.
    Not only will he have tremendous assets to trade to unwitting teams, but he will have enormous cap flexibility once this group of superstars move through the system.
    He’s way ahead of the curve.

    Age at contract end
    Matthews 26
    Marner 27
    Nylander 27
    Tavares 34

    Doesn’t look good to me. Looks like resigning 3 at absolute peak value.

    JT if traded T at 32 might bring a haul. They have to trade the younger players exactly in prime to get full value and of course they won’t.

  143. Harpers Hair says:

    pts2pndr: You tell yourself whatever you have to but please don’t feed that crap to the rest of us.

    You may want to take a closer look at what he’s done.
    It’s brilliant.

  144. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: Just another Toronto advantage.
    If someone wakes up with a sore pubis, Dubas just walks down the hall and points a finger at the next man up.
    Two former first round picks in Sandin and Liljgren ready to go.

    I hope he plays them both, they’re awesome! As you know.

  145. Woogie63 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Age at contract end
    Matthews 26
    Marner 27
    Nylander 27
    Tavares 34

    Doesn’t look good to me. Looks like resigning 3 at absolute peak value.

    JT if traded T at 32 might bring a haul. They have to trade the younger players exactly in prime to get full value and of course they won’t.

    If TML win One Stanley Cup on the next three year, how much does that increase the value of that franchise. I bet it a lot more than the $30m they are paying their top three players.

  146. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: You may want to take a closer look at what he’s done.
    It’s brilliant.

    Time is the judge of decisions.

    If you can’t see how being the young geniuses in unregulated industries has been working out lately in the business world……

    Hockey young geniuses haven’t won or shown anything different so far other than narcissistic verging self regard.

    Kyle capped himself and Chayka still has a shitty team and a business situation that reeks of conflict of interest to me.

  147. pts2pndr says:

    ArmchairGM: Hangry?

    Second great comment today. Not quite up to the bear standard.😀

  148. Harpers Hair says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Age at contract end
    Matthews 26
    Marner 27
    Nylander 27
    Tavares 34

    Doesn’t look good to me. Looks like resigning 3 at absolute peak value.

    JT if traded T at 32 might bring a haul. They have to trade the younger players exactly in prime to get full value and of course they won’t.

    Peak value is currently being re-defined as elite players coming out of their ELCs.
    By the time any of the Leaf superstars need new contracts in five years or more, the cap will be much, much higher.
    Seattle revenues and the new US TV deal will push the cap a lot higher.
    In the meantime, Dubas has locked up a fabulous core for the next 5-6 years.
    By then, the Leaf contracts will be relative bargains.

  149. Harpers Hair says:

    Woogie63: If TML win One Stanley Cup on the next three year, how much does that increase the value of that franchise.I bet it a lot more than the $30m they are paying their top three players.

    Even extended playoff runs would accomplish that and would make Rogers very, very happy.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    ScungilliSlushy: Because Holland would have taken Seider and Stevie knew it?

    Perhaps Yzerman and his team like Seider better?

    Maybe Holland and his team liked Seider better but, perhaps, they had a hard target on Brobeg – sounds to me like they really liked Broberg.

  151. John Chambers says:

    This past summer I made an argument on this blog for the Oilers to trade for Jared Spurgeon.

    He signs today for $7.5M x 7.

    I was wrong. That will be an awful contract before it has expired, and will couple with the hangover portions of the Suter and Parise contracts.

    I cannot envision the Minnesota Wild being competitive at any point over the next seven seasons.

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: Actually, Dubas has done the exact opposite.
    All his key players contracts end just as the players are expected to start declining.
    Not only will he have tremendous assets to trade to unwitting teams, but he will have enormous cap flexibility once this group of superstars move through the system.
    He’s way ahead of the curve.

    I’m quite confident Dubas would have rather had Matthews for 3 more years and his 26-29 years. Those years may be the tail end of his offensive prime but they will be absolutely his prime years as an overall player. Not to mention, the years where his AAV would start to look better.

    Similar with Marner but add a year.

    There is no way that Dubas is happy with the term he had to take on the premise stated above.

  153. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    OriginalPouzar: Gagner booted not just down the depth chart but off the roster?

    Tippett knows him, but there is a reason 2 of his last 3 teams demoted him to the AHL and now he is older…… I think there are hungrier and better/faster/cheaper players vying for spots. Unless they play him at the Letestu spot like they did in Columbus, I don’t see him winning a job. He is just too slow…

  154. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m quite confident Dubas would have rather had Matthews for 3 more years and his 26-29 years. Those years may be the tail end of his offensive prime but they will be absolutely his prime years as an overall player.Not to mention, the years where his AAV would start to look better.

    Similar with Marner but add a year.

    There is no way that Dubas is happy with the term he had to take on the premise stated above.

    Do you have a crystal ball that indicates what the cap will be in 2024-25?
    Dubas will have all kinds of cap space to play with and if he can’t re-sign his FAs will have a tremendous arsenal of trade assets.
    The structure of league contracts is rapidly changing and locking up assets for 7-8 years with trade restrictions is becoming anachronistic.

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    This past summer I made an argument on this blog for the Oilers to trade for Jared Spurgeon.

    He signs today for $7.5M x 7.

    I was wrong. That will be an awful contract before it has expired, and will couple with the hangover portions of the Suter and Parise contracts.

    I cannot envision the Minnesota Wild being competitive at any point over the next seven seasons.

    I believe I retorted at the time that, while he’d be a great fit for a year or two, I wouldn’t pay the acquisition cost as I had no desire to resign him given his age.

  156. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: You may want to take a closer look at what he’s done.
    It’s brilliant.

    If that is what you believe why pick up Tavares as a UFA. You can’t have it both ways.

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: Do you have a crystal ball that indicates what the cap will be in 2024-25?Dubas will have all kinds of cap space to play with and if he can’t re-sign his FAs will have a tremendous arsenal of trade assets.
    The structure of league contracts is rapidly changing and locking up assets for 7-8 years with trade restrictions is becoming anachronistic.

    Do you honestly believe that Dubas would rather have Matthews at $11M until his 26 years of age as opposed to Matthews at $11M until he’s 29? You honestly believe he’d rather have “cap space flexibility” than his franchise player from signed between 26 and 29 years of age?

  158. John Chambers says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Congrats to Spurgeon anyway.

    I believe this makes him the most well-compensated Edmonton-born player in history.

    Here’s hoping Benson eclipses his total career earnings ;

  159. John Chambers says:

    Harpers Hair: Do you have a crystal ball that indicates what the cap will be in 2024-25?Dubas will have all kinds of cap space to play with and if he can’t re-sign his FAs will have a tremendous arsenal of trade assets.
    The structure of league contracts is rapidly changing and locking up assets for 7-8 years with trade restrictions is becoming anachronistic.

    Like, who is he going to sign with “Matthews money” when Austen signs with Arizona?

    Oh right, McDavid. Pfffffff.

  160. Side says:

    Harpers Hair: Do you have a crystal ball that indicates what the cap will be in 2024-25?Dubas will have all kinds of cap space to play with and if he can’t re-sign his FAs will have a tremendous arsenal of trade assets.
    The structure of league contracts is rapidly changing and locking up assets for 7-8 years with trade restrictions is becoming anachronistic.

    Do you have a crystal ball? You seem to be suggesting Dubas is a genius for signing shorter contracts because you are certain the cap is increasing significantly.

  161. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Do you honestly believe that Dubas would rather have Matthews at $11M until his 26 years of age as opposed to Matthews at $11M until he’s 29? You honestly believe he’d rather have “cap space flexibility” than his franchise player from signed between 26 and 29 years of age?

    He might…but it’s not a big deal.
    He will have all kinds of options when the time comes.
    Planning more than 5 years ahead in a rapidly shifting landscape in pretty much a waste of time.
    As it stands, he has a fabulous top 9 locked up for a significant period.

  162. Harpers Hair says:

    John Chambers: Like, who is he going to sign with “Matthews money” when Austen signs with Arizona?

    Oh right, McDavid. Pfffffff.

    Golly.
    If Matthews won’t re-sign with Toronto, what do you think he might fetch in a trade?
    He has no trade protection.

  163. Side says:

    Harpers Hair: Peak value is currently being re-defined as elite players coming out of their ELCs.
    By the time any of the Leaf superstars need new contracts in five years or more, the cap will be much, much higher.
    Seattle revenues and the new US TV deal will push the cap a lot higher.
    In the meantime, Dubas has locked up a fabulous core for the next 5-6 years.
    By then, the Leaf contracts will be relative bargains.

    Dubas has said publicly quite a few times about making long term plans and getting his players long term so they know they are part of this long term plan.

    Unless you are saying this is part of his 3D chess playing here.

  164. CallighenMan says:

    Harpers Hair: Do you have a crystal ball that indicates what the cap will be in 2024-25?Dubas will have all kinds of cap space to play with and if he can’t re-sign his FAs will have a tremendous arsenal of trade assets.
    The structure of league contracts is rapidly changing and locking up assets for 7-8 years with trade restrictions is becoming anachronistic.

    Just like your predictions for the Wild, eh? So how did those turn out again? idiocy ….

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    JohnChambers:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Congrats to Spurgeon anyway.

    I believe this makes him the most well-compensated Edmonton-born player in history.

    Here’s hoping Benson eclipses his total career earnings

    I think Iggy’s $91M still has him.

    Yup, if Benson does surpass him in earning, assuming he does so as an Oiler, we will be doing very well.

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: He might…but it’s not a big deal.
    He will have all kinds of options when the time comes.
    Planning more than 5 years ahead in a rapidly shifting landscape in pretty much a waste of time.
    As it stands, he has a fabulous top 9 locked up for a significant period.

    I think its a big deal and the majority of the hockey world thinks its a big deal.

    I think the reason for that is because it is indeed a big deal.

    I don’t disagree with not signing most players past 4 years or so but we are talking about a franchise player, not a player where we don’t know how he will fare over the next few years, but an elite goal scoring center. Dubas would have prefered to tack on 3 years to that contract, I’m highly confident.

    Would you have preferred McDavid only signed for 5 years to take him until 26? I mean, imagine what Holland could do with that cap space?

  167. Ryan says:

    Scungilli Slushy: A smart team only retires players like Connor.

    It’s cold but if staying at the top matters you have to do it.

    I think as GM you try to time contracts so non elite players can be dealt to replenish and let others take the hit in decline.

    Dubas is the current golden boy but he has done what the geezers and troglodytes do and capped himself. With a talented but unbalanced team. He has also found himself in a position where his best players are re upping at the worst possible age.

    Perfect. Get the rake.

    Makes me think of this old movie scene.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0FAYOIt-VQ

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tech question – I just bought a MacBook Air but when I quote a post, it doesn’t take to me to the place where I can reply to the post like it does on Windows. Is there an easy way?

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: Golly.
    If Matthews won’t re-sign with Toronto, what do you think he might fetch in a trade?
    He has no trade protection.

    He has no trade protection because he didn’t give up any UFA years. Trade protection clauses can only attach to UFA years.

    If he were traded in 4 years from now, I am 100% positive the Leafs could get more for him if he had 4 more years left on his contract as opposed to one year. The term of his contract reduces that trade value.

  170. John Chambers says:

    What was Trouba worth having only a single year left on his contract?

    A late first and Neal f’ing Pionk.

  171. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: Golly.
    If Matthews won’t re-sign with Toronto, what do you think he might fetch in a trade?
    He has no trade protection.

    Not much without a contract extension agreement. That is why teams are willing to pay bigger dollars to get the UFA years. The player wants his retirement contract with big dollars extended term and no trade clauses.

  172. OriginalPouzar says:

    The Leafs cap situation is almost identical to the Oilers next year – they will have about $18M of space but with only a 12 player roster. For the Oilers, that is a 13 player roster (with Nurse signed at $7M).

    Of those 12 players on their roster, one is a d-man.

    The have to sign/acquire 6 roster d-man.

  173. jp says:

    Side: Do you have a crystal ball? You seem to be suggesting Dubas is a genius for signing shorter contracts because you are certain the cap is increasing significantly.

    One would have to be dishonest, I think, to say that a shorter contract for an early 20’s star is preferable.

    That said, I agree with our Vancouver Island friend that Dubas has done well to keep that core of players intact and that those deals will start to become value pretty quickly.

  174. HT Joe says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Tech question – I just bought a MacBook Air but when I quote a post, it doesn’t take to me to the place where I can reply to the post like it does on Windows. Is there an easy way?

    When I use Safari, all kinds of crazy happens. When I use Chrome on Windows or on MacBook air, the interface and experience is identical.

  175. Primetime says:

    Harpers Hair: Golly.
    If Matthews won’t re-sign with Toronto, what do you think he might fetch in a trade?
    He has no trade protection.

    Really?

    So the Leafs in their endless drive for the Cup and nothing else, are going to sell their Franchise player after only 4 shots rather than the already short 5? Instead of keeping him and going for the Cup one more time in his prime? And, if he makes it known that he is going to UFA regardless, someone is going to give up a boatload for him just to watch him walk at the end of the year? And that haul will help the Leafs continue to challenge for the Cup right away, which is the only goal of the franchise?

    Golly indeed.

  176. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair: You may want to take a closer look at what he’s done.
    It’s brilliant.

    I’m going to try to be objective here. Dubas has made some brilliant moves to manage the cap this year. But he created that hell by signing Tavares at $11 mill. By doing that he set the bar for Mathews and Marner. You can’t even ask them to take a hometown discount because you just paid someone else $11 mill. The team has massive cap issues and cobbling a defence group together next year will be a challenge. Who knows, maybe he can pull a rabbit out of the hat next year as well. For the record, I hate the Kadri trade. Guy has an incredibly great contract. It was a gift to the Avs. Exactly what that team needed. Would much rather have Kadri than Nylander straight up, not even factoring in the huge gap in contracts.

  177. OriginalPouzar says:

    HTJoe: When I use Safari, all kinds of crazy happens.When I use Chrome on Windows or on MacBook air, the interface and experience is identical.

    Thank you – I will download it. I am used to chrome on my work laptop.

  178. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Loving all the Leafs talk tonight. I wonder what Marner’s favourite colour is? Or what Matthew’s favourite movie is?

  179. Numenius says:

    defmn: So why did Yzerman choose Seider over Broberg?

    Simple theory:

    1. He liked Seider better, partly because he’s a right shot.

    More fun and convoluted theory:

    1. Stevie liked Broberg better but not overly much.
    2. Holland knew this and so decided to be extremely vocal about wanting Broberg, knowing that Stevie would feel pressured not to take him out of respect for his old boss.
    3. Since Stevie didn’t have overly strong feelings about Broberg, that’s what happened.

  180. Numenius says:

    OriginalPouzar: Thank you – I will download it.I am used to chrome on my work laptop.

    I also have no problems with Firefox on a MacBook.

  181. McNuge93 says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m going to try to be objective here. Dubas has made some brilliant moves to manage the cap this year. But he created that hell by signing Tavares at $11 mill. By doing that he set the bar for Mathews and Marner. You can’t even ask them to take a hometown discount because you just paid someone else $11 mill. The team has massive cap issues and cobbling a defence group together next year will be a challenge. Who knows, maybe he can pull a rabbit out of the hat next year as well. For the record, I hate the Kadri trade. Guy has an incredibly great contract. It was a gift to the Avs. Exactly what that team needed. Would much rather have Kadri than Nylander straight up, not even factoring in the huge gap in contracts.

    Agreed. TO management overpaid Matthews for a shorter 5 yr term, and then had to overpay Marner.
    Dubas did some good things to stay at the cap this year but far from brilliant so far. After this season he will need to rebuild his defence also. We’ll see how that goes.

  182. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: Yzerman and Detroit liked him over Broberg. That’s the only reasonable answer.

    Needed a right-hand shot

  183. HT Joe says:

    Numenius: I also have no problems with Firefox on a MacBook.

    Thanks for that.. I actually just installed Firefox to give it a shot, and it is indeed a good interface experience.

    OP: For what it’s worth, I am no expert, but if Firefox works for you, it sounds like it is way better than Chrome from a digital security / privacy perspective. Good luck either way.

  184. Glovjuice says:

    flyfish1168: Needed a right-hand shot

    Needed a right handed shot? I hope that wasn’t the reason unless they had they them ranked EXACTLY the same. Yikes.

  185. CallighenMan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Tech question – I just bought a MacBook Air but when I quote a post, it doesn’t take to me to the place where I can reply to the post like it does on Windows. Is there an easy way?

    If you already have an answer, I apologize for bing late (haven’t read the whole comments section. My iPad does the same thing with Safari. you could try Chrome or Firefox on the Air to see if the browser will make a difference. I usually am on my iPad when I respond, but I think FF on my PC(s) does the sme thing. so, Chrome?

  186. defmn says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Because Holland would have taken Seider and Stevie knew it?

    Lowetide: Yzerman and Detroit liked him over Broberg. That’s the only reasonable answer.

    OriginalPouzar: Perhaps Yzerman and his team like Seider better?

    Maybe Holland and his team liked Seider better but, perhaps, they had a hard target on Brobeg – sounds to me like they really liked Broberg.

    Numenius: Simple theory:

    1. He liked Seider better, partly because he’s a right shot.

    More fun and convoluted theory:

    1. Stevie liked Broberg better but not overly much.
    2. Holland knew this and so decided to be extremely vocal about wanting Broberg, knowing that Stevie would feel pressured not to take him out of respect for his old boss.
    3. Since Stevie didn’t have overly strong feelings about Broberg, that’s what happened.

    flyfish1168: Needed a right-hand shot

    Thanks. The RH shot makes sense although it seems to be agreed here on the blog that you always take BPA – at least in the first round.

  187. Genjutsu says:

    Glovjuice: Needed a right handed shot? I hope that wasn’t the reason unless they had they them ranked EXACTLY the same. Yikes.

    RHD have much more value at even skill. It’s a thing lefties are a dime a dozen. See Edmonton Oiler defenseman since forever.

  188. YKOil says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m going to try to be objective here. Dubas has made some brilliant moves to manage the cap this year. But he created that hell by signing Tavares at $11 mill. By doing that he set the bar for Mathews and Marner. You can’t even ask them to take a hometown discount because you just paid someone else $11 mill. The team has massive cap issues and cobbling a defence group together next year will be a challenge.

    From what I said in yesterday’s thread (with minor edits):

    Next year TO has $66.3m against a Cap of (probably) $83.5m. For that $66.3m they have 8 of their top-9 forwards, 3 of the 4th line types, 1 1st-pair d-man and their #1 goalie. That includes Hyman. That is 13 of 23.

    $17.2m to sign 2 more forwards, a back-up goalie and, at least, 6 defensemen. Lets say they follow the same format as this year and sign 2 forwards, the goalie and 3 of the 6 d-men to contracts averaging $750k. That is $4.5m and brings them to 19 of 23.

    $12.7m left to fill out the last 3 d-men spots. This does not include any ‘LTIR’ contracts they decide to buy. I expect that this year and next they will run with 22 contracts instead of 23.

    It is tight, especially if the Cap is any less than the $83.5m, but I think they are just waiting for Seattle expansion and the new TV contract to hit.

    They will lose Hyman (and a draft pick to Seattle), one of Kapanen Johnsson or Kerfoot and one of Ceci, Barrie or Muzzin (read: Ceci) and have 2 to 3 lean years but they will be fine. Decent, if expensive, work by Dubas. Their young d-men HAVE to deliver, we’ll see.

    I think Dubas will target Hossa’s $5.275m LTIR contract next year. Arizona will do well.

    Also think that Calgary is a team in worse shape than Toronto.

    – Tkachuk’s contract will cost them Frolik
    – Jankowski, Kylington and Andersson will see jumps in their take home pay
    – Brodie and Hamonic won’t be replaced for cheaper than what they are paying now (well, maybe Brodie)
    – they still need a goalie and if Rittich is ‘the one’ he will double, or more his pay *
    – right about when the goalie question needs answering they will have to deal with Dube’s and Valimaki’s contract
    – what will Mangiapane get, I suspect ‘not much’, but I also suspect that will be a 2 year deal at most and that puts him in with Dube and the others

    And, finally, they have nothing coming up on the farm (pretty slim there) and Giordano is getting older (36 in October – HE is the straw that stirs that drink) so every prospect that just graduated HAS to turn out. I think they lose Bennett or Jankowski to Seattle.

    In regards to the Cap, Calgary is in worse shape than Toronto imo.

    * basically, take Derek Ryan’s contract and shove those dollars into the goalie column, add a few bucks back to the plus with a cheap back-up (the savings on Talbot’s contract)

  189. v4ance says:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-approaching-uncertain-salary-cap-future-one-year-time/

    Friday night’s Marner signing also comes against the backdrop of the collective bargaining discussions between the NHL and NHL Players’ Association, which bear watching. While nothing has yet been agreed upon between those parties, sources with knowledge of the talks believe the salary cap could end up being frozen at its current $81.5-million ceiling for two more years — or raised only minimally — as a way to lower players’ escrow payments.

    I said coming out of the first lockout that the escalator was foolishly being pegged at 5% every year by the NHLPA based on an unsustainable 7% growth spurt that the league saw in 2003-2004. Basically the players assumed the good times would always roll and were giving themselves the maximum 5% raise every year. Actual league revenues were only 1-3% per annum so at every season’s end the escrow amount came back to bite them in the ass just like an unpaid credit card bill.

    If you heard Jonathon Toews complain, he says he doesn’t understand why he had to re-pay 18% escrow at the end of last season. If you go by that number, to decrease the escrow amount to zero, the actual cap limit should be closer to $75 million a year right now. This gives you an idea of how foolishly the NHLPA gave themselves raises every year activating overly large cap escalators for most of the past decade. Now in order to “rebalance” and decrease the escrow, the league revenues have to catch up to the players’ share of the pie by eliminating or minimizing any raises for two years.

    I think they may have to freeze the cap for 4 years because I believe a 3% annual growth rate for the NHL over the next two years will still be unrealistic. But the players will never go for that. My gut feeling is that league revenues are strongly tied to the value of the Canadian dollar which is in turn heavily reliant on resource (oil) prices. With a Trump induced Great Depression on the horizon, I don’t think anyone should expect a healthy amount of growth in any business for the next five years unless you own a pawnshop.

  190. OriginalPouzar says:

    Team scrimmage today at the community center.

  191. OriginalPouzar says:

    Of note, after losing his first two starts of the season, Konovalov hasn’t started either of the last two games for Yaroslavl – both wins.

    Something to keep an eye on.

  192. Todd Macallan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Of note, after losing his first two starts of the season, Konovalov hasn’t started either of the last two games for Yaroslavl – both wins.

    Something to keep an eye on.

    MacT is getting his revenge it seems.

  193. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Tech question – I just bought a MacBook Air but when I quote a post, it doesn’t take to me to the place where I can reply to the post like it does on Windows. Is there an easy way?

    Press command+down arrow, which is essentially equal to pressing the end button on Windows.

  194. OriginalPouzar says:

    HTJoe,

    Thanks.

    The different operating system is going to take some time to get used to.

  195. OriginalPouzar says:

    CallighenMan: If you already have an answer, I apologize for bing late (haven’t read the whole comments section.My iPad does the same thing with Safari.you could try Chrome or Firefox on the Air to see if the browser will make a difference.I usually am on my iPad when I respond, but I think FF on my PC(s) does the sme thing. so, Chrome?

    Yes, this is what others have suggested – I downloaded Chrome last night but haven’t had a chance to use is (I’m using my Windows based right now, for various reasons).

    Thank you for the response and advice.

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