Reminiscing

The draft represents both closure and renewal. The ‘harvest moon’ posts come at the end of the draft, usually late afternoon and sometimes in the evening. The sun shines into my room when I’m writing the harvest moon post, it’s easily my favourite.

It’s a beautiful night on the day it ends, kind of like when harvest is done and the long work of spring to fall finally produces a good crop. That’s why I call it harvest moon.

The year is 2007. The Oilers have drafted three men in the first round and some interesting names later. Read on, friend.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, check it out here.

  • New Jonathan Willis: How Edmonton could have left 2010 draft with both Taylor Hall and Ryan Johansen
  • New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto’s NHL comparables offer Oilers fans hope for the future
  • Lowetide: Top 20 prospect update: A lot of movement and some impressive graduations
  • Lowetide: Mavrik Bourque a quality option for the Oilers in the draft
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Inside the franchise-altering decision to pick Leon Draisaitl over Sam Bennett
  • Lowetide: Adam Larsson’s Oilers future uncertain as ‘sexy’ options emerge
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: One-on-one with Wayne Gretzky: On the time he visited Moscow during the Cold War
  • Jonathan Willis and Lowetide: Discount forward options the Oilers could pursue in free agency
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Oh my God, Edmonton’s picking first’: An oral history of the 2015 NHL draft lottery
  • Lowetide: Comparison of Oilers, Flames drafts 2010-19 closer than it should be
  • Lowetide: The most potent lines in Oilers history
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: On the time Dave Semenko fought Muhammad Ali
  • Lowetide: Why Jan Mysak could be a value pick for the Oilers at the 2020 Draft
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers overcame malice in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver to join the NHL
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Remembering Jacques Plante’s brief tenure with the Oilers at age 45
  • Lowetide: Oilers need to find (or get) real value in William Lagesson

Harvest Moon 2007

I saw Kevin Lowe on television a few times today, he didn’t look like he was having fun. Too bad really, when you consider it’s extremely unlikely he’ll be back next season at the helm of the Oilers.

The day began with the usual spin about big deals ahead (“Oilers close on a couple of fronts”) but sputtered for obvious reasons (the Oilers CAN trade Staios, but they need to trade for someone better in return. No one wants to do that, since there are free agents straight ahead one week into the future).

The draft started well. With Voracek and Gagner on the board, Edmonton chose well with Sam Gagner: I like him because he can take and make a pass at high speed and makes good decisions with the puck. I could tell you how MUCH I like him if you would give me his ATOI totals. No matter, I like the pick.

At 15, the Oilers went back to two old chestnuts: SAW HIM GOOD and DRAFT FOR NEED. You just KNEW they’d take a defenseman with the second pick even if Christ Almighty was available up front.

I talked to Guy Flaming earlier today and he mentioned Alex Plante at 15 (he really did, I’m not making this up). Guy mentioned a nice size, decent speed package with skill and that he didn’t get beaten much one on one. I think Plante is a classic example of draft for need, an Edmonton Oilers tradition that dates back several years.

The draft up to that point was somewhat controversial but you could defend the decisions. However, by paying a supreme price (30+36) and trading up for a future role player in Riley Nash I believe the Oilers wasted assets that should cost someone their job.

All we’ve heard about this draft is that the picks from 15-50 are interchangeable and it seems to me that if you’re going to trade up it should be for a Mikael Backlund or David Perron. Losing two early picks in a draft that resembles 2002 made zero sense. Buffalo got Jochen Hecht for the 31 and 36 picks in 2002, Edmonton gave up 30 and 36 for the chance at a guy who should have been available at 36.

No. 6 overall RHC Sam Gagner. Nice range of skills: creative, terrific playmaker, good skater, can take and make a pass and make plays in traffic. I saw him take a terrific hit at the WJC’s and he got right back into the play. Scouts have said he can play well without the puck but we can also guess he’ll need work in that area. Played in the USHL and this was his rookie OHL season. Gagner’s points per game at age 17 (2.23) is exceptional, but we need to temper expectations for the same reasons Schremp’s numbers needed to have some air taken out of them (Schremp’s 17-year old ppg was 1.15 btw). Lots of ice time for London Knights. I don’t think the Oilers will move him along as quickly as they did Hemsky, but he’s the most talented forward they’ve drafted since Hemsky in 2001. ISS comparable: Marc Savard.

No. 15 overall RD Alex Plante. Alex Plante is a big kid (6-3.5, 225 according to ISS) who has a variety of skills. The Oilers should have taken Cherepanov. Even if he never played for them, the “asset” would have had more value (and quicker return) than young Plante. Redline: Alex Plante has come a long way since the beginning of the season. At 6-4/215-pounds, he showed surprising offensive skills, particularly on the PP, where he can act as either trigger man or quarterback. He’s not a big baggage smasher, but will use his body in front and to tie forwards up along the walls. ISS comparable: Kyle McLaren.

No. 21 overall RC Riley Nash. Most of the comments I’ve seen since the completion of the first round have had to do with passing on Cherepanov and Esposito. As much as I can agree it was an oversight, the real crime by the Oilers in the first round was giving up picks at #30 and #36 for the pick that brought them Nash. I like what Redline wrote about him: A really well schooled, all-around player who can play it any way you want. Big, raw, naturally athletic kid who can skate, shoot and pass. Also likes to get his nose dirty and really carried his club down the stretch. ISS comparable: Patrick Eaves.

No. 97 overall LW Linus Omark. Omark is small, 5-9. That’s Bobby Sheehan territory. Scouting report: A flashy player with first-class technical skills and hands. Very creative player with good hockey sense and natural scoring ability. Defense is okay, although it can be fine-tuned. The Oilers have had success drafting overage players both in Europe (Markkanen, Haakana, Pisa, Luoma) and in North America (Brodziak, Syvret, Roy).

No. 127 LC Milan Kytnar.  Reliable two-way center plays hard every shift. Great hand-eye, anticipates well, coachable. Strong skater with a minus first step, good hands and size. Accurate passer, can shadow his man. Good playmaker who sees the ice well. (Source: ISS). According to today’s Journal, the Oilers selected one of the Euro’s on day 2 because Kent Nilsson was passionate about him. This is probably the most depressing thing I’ve heard in a year.

No. 157 L William Quist. Raw. A project.

Quick note: I hope you enjoyed the 2007 harvest moon post. Now, a spoiler: It was several posts that I threw together for you. Every word appeared on this blog, and the overall thrust is the same (I didn’t add in Perron’s name, as an example, it was there) but this is the first exposure for the 2007 harvest moon.

2020 ENTRY DRAFT

Bruce Garrioch from the Ottawa Sun has the latest on the 2020 entry draft, looks like a decision will come soon.

My April list is here and the final ranking will be published June 1 (as it is every year). Here’s a reasonable mock for Edmonton.

No. 20 overall: LC Connor Zary, WHL. He is an older prospect (September 2001) so his offensive (NHLE: 37) potential is more clearly defined than some of the younger available players. That said he’s a two-way center who has bona fide skill. Steve Kournianois: Zary is an above-average skater in terms of straight-line speed and agility, but he is among the best in his class when it comes to balance, as he stays on his skates and can absorb punishing hits. Playmaking is just one of his distinguishable assets, as he can deliver precision passes from either his forehand or backhand. Strong and well-balanced, Zary displays deceptive quickness and requires only two or three strides to accelerate to top speed and become an open-ice threat.

No. 82 overall: LD Yan Kuznetsov (NCAA). I missed him early but have marked him now. Kuznetsov is a teenager in the NCAA, a big man with shutdown ability and at least some offensive chops. He went 2-9-11 for UCONN in 34 games, that’s a 10.2 NHLE. He’s a kid, turning 18 in March, in a league that employs men in their 20’s on the front lines. Ken Holland doesn’t draft much from Russian lists, but I think Kuznetsov might be worth the risk.

No. 144 overall: LC Daniel Ljungman, Linkoping (SuperElite). Emerged at the Hlinka-Gretzky and scored well in the SuperElite league. He has a terrific shot.

No. 175 overall: LC Joe Carroll (OHL). Big center who was eligible a year ago went on a scoring spree late in the year and is worth a draft and follow.

No. 206 overall: LW Emil Heineman (SuperEite). He is not highly rated but is a first time eligible (November 2001) who scored 26 goals in 29 games in the SuperElite league. Plus skater, scores goals. Sign me up.

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91 Responses to "Reminiscing"

  1. Ben says:

    I’m not too keen on any draft that bars roster player movement. Just wait until the games are done or 19/20 is officially cancelled (as much as I’d LOVE to watch anything other than infection counts unfold live on TV).

  2. dessert1111 says:

    Your 2007 write-ups hold up really well all these years later. Pegged Nash as a role player, Plante as a draft for need. Voracek has ended up better than Gagner but I think a lot of that has to do with Gagner never developing much. A lot of that is on the Oilers.

    Trading picks and drafting for need can burn you, time and again.

  3. Darth Tu says:

    I think we’ve probably talked this to death, but is the Neal conditional pick safe then? If so that could be potentially huge moving forward. Spend her wisely Ken, spend her wisely.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    The Oilers didn’t just move Gagner along as fast as Hemsky, the moved him along faster – I wonder if another year in London would have benefited the development of his overall game and “center skills”?

    Ughhh, Alex Plante.

    Ughhh, Riley Nash

    I remember all the talk about Cherepanov and Esposito – not that the Oilers chose well but it wasn’t because they passed on those names as it turned out.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu:
    I think we’ve probably talked this to death, but is the Neal conditional pick safe then? If so that could be potentially huge moving forward. Spend her wisely Ken, spend her wisely.

    It really seems like the league wants to have this June draft and, if they do and then there is some sort of completion of the regular season, I think that they will delay picks that move on condition to next year.

    That is, if they play some summer hockey and Neal scores a couple, the Oilers will give the flames their 2021 3rd.

  6. BONE207 says:

    Well the good news out of that 2007 draft is that they did get Perron…only it was years later. Those EIG teams could have really benefited from a smart GM. Hell, just getting to the playoffs might have made enough $$$ to make their investment sustainable. Darkness be gone forever…

  7. defmn says:

    I was a Voracek fan but, really, it was more like picking a name out of a hat than any prescience or due diligence. I just liked the reports on him better than what was being said about Gagner.

    The 2nd round produced two excellent players in P.K. and Simmonds and then a whole lot of not much, really. Looking back Spaling was the third best player in that 2nd round. Nice to think we might have picked one of those if we hadn’t traded down for Nash but knowing the Oilers we were just as likely to end up with Nick Ross and Joel Gistdet.

  8. Harpers Hair says:

    wolf8888: Thanks HH. What a joy to watch. I wonder how his skill level is against current competition. Has anyone have any current video?

    Seems to have been a NCAA standout in Denver.

    Think the Flames may have a steal on their hands.

    Great article about him this morning at the Athletic.

    https://theathletic.com/1779825/2020/04/28/flames-become-latest-team-to-bank-on-a-return-investment-from-emilio-pettersen/

  9. Harpers Hair says:

    The Hlinka Gretzky Tournament has been cancelled.

    https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/news/2020-news-hlinka-gretzky-cup-cancelled

  10. Harpers Hair says:

    The NHL has announced a one year extension of the player transfer agreement with European leagues.

    Expect a surge in signings.

  11. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair:
    The NHL has announced a one year extension of the player transfer agreement with European leagues.

    Expect a surge in signings.

    A little more detail of what they did.

    The NHL has announced new player transfer agreements today, including one-year extensions with the existing ones. Those include the IIHF Member Federations/Leagues in Austria, Belarus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Latvia, Norway, Slovakia, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.

    They have also extended the existing CHL Agreement with the Canadian Hockey League (OHL, WHL, QMJHL). This means that nothing will change in regards to players drafted out of the CHL being eligible for AHL play before the age of 20. Corey Pronman of The Athletic (subscription required) recently polled scouts on whether the believed the agreement should be amended; 60% felt it should be, however, any changes will have to wait at least another year.

    The biggest news however is the new one-year agreement with the Swiss Ice Hockey Association and Swiss League, something that previously did not exist. This will provide extra opportunities for players in Switzerland to come over to North America, and will slightly tweak the rules for draft picks out of the league.

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    The transfer agreements with the various European leagues (excluding KHL of course) have been extended for a year.

    I would expect Berglund, etc. to be announced shortly.

    https://twitter.com/pr_nhl/status/1255172946156498947?s=21

  13. Munny says:

    Ben: I’m not too keen on any draft that bars roster player movement.

    I agree. I think it would be a bad idea.

  14. Munny says:

    defmn,

    Thank you, Sir.

  15. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: It really seems like the league wants to have this June draft and, if they do and then there is some sort of completion of the regular season, I think that they will delay picks that move on condition to next year.

    That is, if they play some summer hockey and Neal scores a couple, the Oilers will give the flames their 2021 3rd.

    If I had to bet in a contest between what Bettman wants and what the owners want I would put my money on Bettman. 😉

    In the article the other day where LeBrun (I think) claimed the majority of owners were opposed there was a snippet that some of the heavyweight owners were for it. So I am guessing we see a draft in early June.

    My guess for how that plays out.

    Order by point percentage with the lottery allowing any team to move up by four spots.

    Trades for players for draft picks are consummated and sealed and kept at the league office until the season is completed and announced as future considerations. This will drive fan bases crazy and cause all sorts of speculation thereby keeping the league in the news as reporters speculate and try to find out the details. Can teams keep things like this quiet? I guess they can try.

    How much does Holland value that 3rd round pick? No idea. If he really wants it I only let Neal play until he scores his next goal and then he is done for the season.

    It will be interesting to see if they send video equipment to the homes of the top ranked 30-40 players so they can do interviews with them as they are chosen. It would be a nice touch.

  16. defmn says:

    David Staples
    @dstaples
    ·
    1h
    I’m now persuaded by additional info from @BruceMcCurdy
    that Haas is better than 50/50 bet. This put it over the top: :According to @NatStatTrick
    Haas drew 14 penalties & took just 3, a very nice ratio. That translates to +3 or 4 goals at usual special teams conversion rates.”

  17. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: If I had to bet in a contest between what Bettman wants and what the owners want I would put my money on Bettman.

    In the article the other day where LeBrun (I think) claimed the majority of owners were opposed there was a snippet that some of the heavyweight owners were for it. So I am guessing we see a draft in early June.

    My guess for how that plays out.

    Order by point percentage with the lottery allowing any team to move up by four spots.

    Trades for players for draft picks are consummated and sealed and kept at the league office until the season is completed and announced as future considerations. This will drive fan bases crazy and cause all sorts of speculation thereby keeping the league in the news as reporters speculate and try to find out the details. Can teams keep things like this quiet? I guess they can try.

    How much does Holland value that 3rd round pick? No idea. If he really wants it I only let Neal play until he scores his next goal and then he is done for the season.

    It will be interesting to see if they send video equipment to the homes of the top ranked 30-40 players so they can do interviews with them as they are chosen. It would be a nice touch.

    I’m not so sure the Flames will care much about that third round pick in any event.

    They have been loading up this month off with NCAA talent and the Swede we heard about earlier.

    Along with today’s Pettersson signing…

    Colton Poolman UND

    Connor Mackey Minnesota State

    Johannes Kinvall SHL

    They’ve been loading up the prospect pool without waiting for the draft.

    Impressive work.

  18. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: I’m not so sure the Flames will care much about that third round pick in any event.

    They have been loading up this month off with NCAA talent and the Swede we heard about earlier.

    Along with today’s Pettersson signing…

    Colton Poolman UND

    Connor Mackey Minnesota State

    Johannes Kinvall SHL

    They’ve been loading up the prospect pool without waiting for the draft.

    Impressive work.

    It almost looks like 2016 when the Oilers signed:

    Jere Sallinen
    Nick Ellis
    Drake Caggiula
    Patrick Russell
    Matt Benning

    Unlikely the Flames group will end up that strong but you never know.

  19. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair:

    Bought a bottle of Nando’s Pirri Pirri strong yesterday after reading the chatter here about it. Nice flavour with the lemon but I prefer my hot sauce with a little more kick.

    My current favourite is this one but they have expanded their line considerably since I last ordered. My son just bought a 12 pack of different types so I will have to get his opinion before I make my next purchase.

    This one will grow hair on your toes though.

    https://maritimemadness.com/collections/all-sauces/products/ultimate-giver-c-reaper-sauce?variant=3641882607656

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    The Hlinka Gretzky Tournament has been cancelled.

    https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/news/2020-news-hlinka-gretzky-cup-cancelled

    Seravelli speculating that one of the reasons was to keep the Rogers Place ice open for potential NHL games.

  21. John Chambers says:

    defmn:
    David Staples
    @dstaples
    ·
    1h
    I’m now persuaded by additional info from @BruceMcCurdythat Haas is better than 50/50 bet. This put it over the top: :According to @NatStatTrickHaas drew 14 penalties & took just 3, a very nice ratio. That translates to +3 or 4 goals at usual special teams conversion rates.”

    How on-point is McCurdy with his “numbers”? His “number” from the CoH podcast is always a window into his genius and geniality.

    I’ve also remarked, listening to Jack Michaels play-by-play all year, how frequently “Gaetan Haas has drawn a penalty with his speed.” +14 -3 is a nice stat.

    Haas also showed some nice mitts throughout the season. I realize Khaira is a strong PK’er but IMO Haas was the better overall player and should’ve owned the 4C role.

  22. slopitch says:

    Im hoping Askarov slips. Goalies sometimes do. Other than that, all I wanna see is skill, iq and speed. Cheering lately for Bourque or Reichel. The DEL is on the upswing imo. But dont have a strong opinion yet.

  23. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: Bought a bottle of Nando’s Pirri Pirri strong yesterday after reading the chatter here about it. Nice flavour with the lemon but I prefer my hot sauce with a little more kick.

    My current favourite is this one but they have expanded their line considerably since I last ordered. My son just bought a 12 pack of different types so I will have to get his opinion before I make my next purchase.

    This one will grow hair on your toes though.

    https://maritimemadness.com/collections/all-sauces/products/ultimate-giver-c-reaper-sauce?variant=3641882607656

    You appear to be a hot sauce aficionado so I thought you might be interested in a place just a few minutes from our home.

    If you’re ever out this way, stop in at the Old Country Market in Coombs.

    They stock literally dozens of brands of hot sauce from all over the world.

    https://oldcountrymarket.com

  24. jp says:

    John Chambers: How on-point is McCurdy with his “numbers”? His “number” from the CoH podcast is always a window into his genius and geniality.

    I’ve also remarked, listening to Jack Michaels play-by-play all year, how frequently “Gaetan Haas has drawn a penalty with his speed.” +14 -3 is a nice stat.

    Haas also showed some nice mitts throughout the season. I realize Khaira is a strong PK’er but IMO Haas was the better overall player and should’ve owned the 4C role.

    Haas couldn’t score at all, though neither could Khaira (Khaira was quite respectable the previous 2 seasons at least).

    PK and big are what gave Khaira the advantage, agreed that Haas was the better 5v5 player.

    It’s odd that Tippett didn’t use Haas at all on the PK (6 minutes all year) despite him having a rep as a shutdown C from Switzerland. Maybe in time.

    And yes, Bruce is excellent.

  25. John Chambers says:

    jp,

    Haas didn’t score much but he did score a key goal on the 2nd night of the season as well as a late tying goal against Minnesota in December, which Edm ended up losing in regulation.

    Khaira’s output was no better, but he also benefitted from playing higher up the lineup at times (on a wing with his buddy Nuge for several games).

    Also, Gaetan Haas is the boss with the sauce. #SauceBossHaas

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ben:
    I’m not too keen on any draft that bars roster player movement. Just wait until the games are done or 19/20 is officially cancelled (as much as I’d LOVE to watch anything other than infection counts unfold live on TV).

    I agree with this, the draft is one of three key days for player movement:

    – trade deadline
    – draft
    – opening of free agency

    The draft and the days leading to the draft are “a spectacle” and a time for excitement, speculation – “hockey talk”.

    With that said, from what I heard, while there was quite a bit of push-back to a June draft, there were some people with great importance that were in favor and I’m not sure the league doesn’t push this one through.

    I hope not – not without the season being cancelled.

  27. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: You appear to be a hot sauce aficionado so I thought you might be interested in a place just a few minutes from our home.

    If you’re ever out this way, stop in at the Old Country Market in Coombs.

    They stock literally dozens of brands of hot sauce from all over the world.

    https://oldcountrymarket.com

    Ah, yes, the Goats on a Roof. I’ve never stopped in but my wife loves the beaches around Tofino so whenever we are out on the island we try and get up there for a couple of days. I had no idea they were hot sauce specialists though.

    Having lived in Thailand for years I definitely acquired a taste for spicy food though. Now that I am old and decrepit not so much as when I was younger but I used to sit and eat thai chiles like mints.

  28. jp says:

    John Chambers:
    jp,

    Haas didn’t score much but he did score a key goal on the 2nd night of the season as well as a late tying goal against Minnesota in December, which Edm ended up losing in regulation.

    Khaira’s output was no better, but he also benefitted from playing higher up the lineup at times (on a wing with his buddy Nuge for several games).

    Also, Gaetan Haas is the boss with the sauce. #SauceBossHaas

    Haha.

    Haas was 325th in P/60 among 334 forwards to play 500 minutes this season. I don’t think that earns him his own hashtag or any moniker involving boss. 🙂

    Khaira was right there with him (0.80 P/60 vs 0.81 for Haas) but he scored 1.38P/60 each of the previous 2 seasons. He had 2 points in 118 minutes with Nuge so that wasn’t much of a scoring boost.

    I like both players fine but the fact is neither will be in the NHL for long if they keep scoring 10 points a season. I hope Khaira rebounds and Haas finds a way to impact the scoresheet more (and adds PK to his resume).

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    As anticipated, the Haas signing is official – one year at $915K.

    Surprising (to me) that its a bit higher than Nygard….

  30. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As anticipated, the Haas signing is official – one year at $915K.

    Surprising (to me) that its a bit higher than Nygard….

    Better agent?

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    LeBrun with a new update at The Athletic saying the NHL is looking at delaying the start of 2020/21 until December but still getting in the full 82 – they would scrap the all-star break, bye week, shorten the Christmas break, etc. and would play in to July as they want the full 82 (as they have said all along).

    https://theathletic.com/1781539/2020/04/28/lebrun-nhl-hints-at-december-start-for-2020-21-season/?source=emp_shared_article

    Two reasons cited for possible December start:

    1) more time to get in the 2019/20

    2) they want fans in the stands.

    One quote from the article on that point:

    “A lot of teams feel they need fans back in their arenas next season before opening the doors. That’s what they’re telling me. It’s fine to try and finish off the 2019-20 season without fans because 85 percent of the regular season has been played and that gate money has been earned. But by the time the NHL opens up shop for 2020-21 season, most teams can’t even think of starting without fans in the building. Some organizations have told me they would lose less money by simply staying dark. Hence, they’re hoping a December start will be enough time for the world to be in a better place with the pandemic. ”

    I have posted a few times recently that I think a later start may be something the league wants as it gives them a better chance for fans – looks like that is coming to fruition.

    The NHL-NHLPA’s Return to Play Committee will meet again tomorrow but it sounds like some players are very much against having to be away from their families for up to 3-4 months – Daneault and Tavares have spoke about it.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    Also, player quarantine expected to be extended to mid-May with the hope of a relaxation around May 15 allowing players to skate again in small groups at their NHL team facilities.

  33. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    TheNHL-NHLPA’s Return to Play Committee will meet again tomorrow but it sounds like some players are very much against having to be away from their families for up to 3-4 months – Daneault and Tavares have spoke about it.

    I don’t think Daneault needs to worry. Maybe Tavares doesn’t either. 😉

  34. Todd Macallan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As anticipated, the Haas signing is official – one year at $915K.

    Surprising (to me) that its a bit higher than Nygard….

    Only RH center on the roster is my guess why he’s getting a bit more

  35. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Seravelli speculating that one of the reasons was to keep the Rogers Place ice open for potential NHL games.

    The health costs of a creating a bubble for the Hlinka, along with the logistics for quarantine beforehand would be large for a tournament with very little revenue.

  36. €√¥£€^$ says:

    defmn: Better agent?

    RHC

  37. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    LeBrun with a new update at The Athletic saying the NHL is looking at delaying the start of 2020/21 until December but still getting in the full 82 – they would scrap the all-star break, bye week, shorten the Christmas break, etc. and would play in to July as they want the full 82 (as they have said all along).

    https://theathletic.com/1781539/2020/04/28/lebrun-nhl-hints-at-december-start-for-2020-21-season/?source=emp_shared_article

    Two reasons cited for possible December start:

    1) more time to get in the 2019/20

    2) they want fans in the stands.

    One quote from the article on that point:

    “A lot of teams feel they need fans back in their arenas next season before opening the doors. That’s what they’re telling me. It’s fine to try and finish off the 2019-20 season without fans because 85 percent of the regular season has been played and that gate money has been earned. But by the time the NHL opens up shop for 2020-21 season, most teams can’t even think of starting without fans in the building. Some organizations have told me they would lose less money by simply staying dark. Hence, they’re hoping a December start will be enough time for the world to be in a better place with the pandemic. ”

    I have posted a few times recently that I think a later start may be something the league wants as it gives them a better chance for fans – looks like that is coming to fruition.

    TheNHL-NHLPA’s Return to Play Committee will meet again tomorrow but it sounds like some players are very much against having to be away from their families for up to 3-4 months – Daneault and Tavares have spoke about it.

    Without a therapeutic, I really doubt that there will be fans in the stands next season.

    Tavares and Daneault are being unrealistic. If they want their million dollar salaries (with 50% escrows), they are going to have to be away from their families. Probably next season too.

    SARS-COV-2 doesn’t recognize privilege and entitlement.

  38. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Interesting the see how things will play out, but based on the discussion I’ve read the timeline may be a mid to late June resumption of the season (the league wants to satisfy their TV contract obligations this year, rather than to carry it over into the following year(s). At least that is my interpretation.

    Does anyone have interest in participating a pool regarding the following or other suggestions, I had thought an Oiler Draft pick pool would be interesting as well:

    1. Will the season re-start? Yes/No
    2. Date of 1st regular season game(s) in 2020 Calendar year
    3. Number of teams playing
    4. Date of 1st play-off game(s)
    5. Host Cities, name all
    6. Date the Cup awarded
    7. Date of 2020 Draft
    8. Cup Champ
    9. Conn Smythe winner
    10. Who picks Lafreniere
    11. Oilers first pick
    12. Number of picks by Oilers

  39. defmn says:

    €√¥£€^$: RHC

    Both down from last season. Not a huge amount – Nygard by $50,000 and Hass by $10,000 but every bit counts. Holland doing a little grinding.

  40. €√¥£€^$ says:

    defmn: Both down from last season. Not a huge amount – Nygard by $50,000 and Hass by $10,000 but every bit counts. Holland doing a little grinding.

    I think both players are really good bets to improve their first season in NA. Kudos to them for beating out NHL vets like Granlund, Jurco and AHL guys like Currie, Malone and Gambardella to make the Oilers.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    wolf8888: Thanks HH. What a joy to watch. I wonder how his skill level is against current competition. Has anyone have any current video?

    I do note that he’s one of only two minus players on his team and the only minus player in the top 15 in scoring.

    Not worth much but about as news-worth on an Oilers blog as the flames signing their 2018 6th rounder who will move from Denver to Stockton….

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn:

    Trades for players for draft picks are consummated and sealed and kept at the league office until the season is completed and announced as future considerations. This will drive fan bases crazy and cause all sorts of speculation thereby keeping the league in the news as reporters speculate and try to find out the details. Can teams keep things like this quiet? I guess they can try.

    I don’t think this will work.

    If a trade is consummated at the draft, I don’t think a player traded will continue to be eligible to play for his current team (and, of course, couldn’t play for the acquiring team).

    For example, if the Oilers trade Chiasson to Washington for a late pick – Chiassor wouldn’t be able to play for either team.

    It will be all but a no-trade event (well except for picks and non-roster players like Puljujarvi).

  43. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: I do note that he’s one of only two minus players on his team and the only minus player in the top 15 in scoring.

    Not worth much but about as news-worth on an Oilers blog as the flames signing their 2018 6th rounder who will move from Denver to Stockton….

    Thanks for the lack of context.

    Both players are legit prospects.

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: I’m not so sure the Flames will care much about that third round pick in any event.

    They have been loading up this month off with NCAA talent and the Swede we heard about earlier.

    Along with today’s Pettersson signing…

    Colton Poolman UND

    Connor Mackey Minnesota State

    Johannes Kinvall SHL

    They’ve been loading up the prospect pool without waiting for the draft.

    Impressive work.

    I’m quite confidant they would very much want the third round pick no matter who else they’ve signed.

    As a rival fan, I’m not concerned about any of these distant bell signings – prove it in the NHL and then I’ll give kudos.

  45. Harpers Hair says:

    Swedish UFA forward Mathis Brome signs with Detroit.

  46. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m quite confidant they would very much want the third round pick no matter who else they’ve signed.

    As a rival fan, I’m not concerned about any of these distant bell signings – prove it in the NHL and then I’ll give kudos.

    In the last 5 drafts the number of third round picks that have played 100 games is a total of THREE.

    There are more productive fishing spots.

  47. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Thanks for the lack of context.

    Both players are legit prospects.

    Pettersson is a Flames draft pick, not a UFA. They are the same player.

  48. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think this will work.

    If a trade is consummated at the draft, I don’t think a player traded will continue to be eligible to play for his current team (and, of course, couldn’t play for the acquiring team).

    For example, if the Oilers trade Chiasson to Washington for a late pick – Chiassor wouldn’t be able to play for either team.

    It will be all but a no-trade event (well except for picks and non-roster players like Puljujarvi).

    Maybe I wasn’t clear. The trade is announced as ‘future considerations’ for the draft pick. Nobody but the two GM’s know what the future consideration is as it is buried in a sealed envelope in the safe at the league’s office to be announced when the season is over. So all players who are traded are not aware they have been traded and the date of their trade is not until the season is finished.

    Whether or not teams can actually keep those secrets is another story but theoretically the only people who need to know the details are the two GM’s and either Bettman or Bill Daly.

  49. €√¥£€^$ says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m quite confidant they would very much want the third round pick no matter who else they’ve signed.

    As a rival fan, I’m not concerned about any of these distant bell signings – prove it in the NHL and then I’ll give kudos.

    Why do you keep feeding him?

    He will only continue to bite your hand….

  50. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: In the last 5 drafts the number of third round picks that have played 100 games is a total of THREE.

    There are more productive fishing spots.

    The pickings are slim but the 5 year cutoff is a bit disingenuous. For 2nd round and later draft picks it would be normal for them to have one more year of junior followed by 3 years of AHL time leaving them one season in the league to acquire their 100 games.

    Go back to 2010 and look again. Nobody loses sleep over a 3rd round pick – well, maybe some here do 😉 – but it isn’t the wasteland you are claiming it to be.

  51. defmn says:

    €√¥£€^$: Why do you keep feeding him?

    He will only continue to bite your hand….

    Are you sure it’s his hand he is aiming for? 😉

  52. wolf8888 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Haha. I guess that answers my questions of whether his skill advantage stayed with him as he moved up in competition.

  53. €√¥£€^$ says:

    defmn: Are you sure it’s his hand he is aiming for?

    ????

  54. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: The pickings are slim but the 5 year cutoff is a bit disingenuous. For 2nd round and later draft picks it would be normal for them to have one more year of junior followed by 3 years of AHL time leaving them one season in the league to acquire their 100 games.

    Go back to 2010 and look again. Nobody loses sleep over a 3rd round pick – well, maybe some here do – but it isn’t the wasteland you are claiming it to be.

    No, indeed there are hits along the way but, if you’re looking for NHL help within a reasonable time frame, there are a few other avenues to consider that can be more productive.

    See Haas and Nygaard for local reference.

    Wailing over a lost third round pick hardly moves the needle.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    Todd Macallan: Only RH center on the roster is my guess why he’s getting a bit more

    Likely – although at less than 43% on the faceoff dot, I’m not sure that means much.

    I don’t anticipate he’ll improve much either – I recall an interview with him in the summer and he professed to no being great at faceoffs but had worked very hard at it and improved to be decent.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: In the last 5 drafts the number of third round picks that have played 100 games is a total of THREE.

    There are more productive fishing spots.

    I’m still quote confident they want the 3rd round pick.

    I’m also quite confident that former flame 3rd round pick Adam Fox will hit the 100 game threshold shortly.

    If nothing else, they could likely flip that 3rd round pick for a 6th round pick to try and draft another Norwegian-Gretzky or Mangiapane.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: Maybe I wasn’t clear. The trade is announced as ‘future considerations’ for the draft pick. Nobody but the two GM’s know what the future consideration is as it is buried in a sealed envelope in the safe at the league’s office to be announced when the season is over. So all players who are traded are not aware they have been traded and the date of their trade is not until the season is finished.

    Whether or not teams can actually keep those secrets is another story but theoretically the only people who need to know the details are the two GM’s and either Bettman or Bill Daly.

    I got that and i don’t think it will work.

    A team that trades away a pick to grab a live player is not going to allow that player to continue to play for another organization – injury risk, etc.

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    €√¥£€^$: Why do you keep feeding him?

    He will only continue to bite your hand….

    Why not?

    Its evening time, I’ve put in a great day of lawyering and a couple great workouts and now am looking to real about and talk some hockey – not a ton of actual hockey talk (50 comments now – many of them non-hockey).

    I’d rather have this conversation than read about recipes or studies on Covid (which I get elsewhere), etc.

  59. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: No, indeed there are hits along the way but, if you’re looking for NHL help within a reasonable time frame, there are a few other avenues to consider that can be more productive.

    See Haas and Nygaard for local reference.

    Wailing over a lost third round pick hardly moves the needle.

    Totally agree.

  60. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: I got that and i don’t think it will work.

    A team that trades away a pick to grab a live player is not going to allow that player to continue to play for another organization – injury risk, etc.

    They will if Gary tells them it is the only way it will work.

  61. defmn says:

    So with the Hass signing I wonder if Holland continues to scour the European leagues and tweeners in the AHL to create competition at training camp like he did last year or was that a strategy he followed due to lack of familiarity with the roster?

    Just how does Holland’s history show him to approach summer signings?

    Anybody know?

  62. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: Totally agree.

    Just to add..the last third round pick the Oilers “hit” on was Jujar Khaira…eight years ago.
    If he were to be traded you might get a third round pick for him.
    Quite likely he could easily be replaced by a NCAA free agent or European signing.

    That Bear and Jones were picked in the 5th and 6th round proves how much of a crap shoot it is…not how good the scouts are or they would have been picked sooner.

  63. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m still quote confident they want the 3rd round pick.

    I’m also quite confident that former flame 3rd round pick Adam Fox will hit the 100 game threshold shortly.

    If nothing else, they could likely flip that 3rd round pick for a 6th round pick to try and draft another Norwegian-Gretzky or Mangiapane.

    More petulant childish behaviour from these two FREQUENTLY posting visitors to this space who I am positing don’t have kids themselves.

  64. nelson88 says:

    Harpers Hair: In the last 5 drafts the number of third round picks that have played 100 games is a total of THREE.

    There are more productive fishing spots.

    Just wait until Samorukov makes you eat those words. Kids going to have a better NHL career than joulevi or valimaki and yes even Groban Taffery

  65. jp says:

    Glovjuice: More petulant childish behaviour from these two FREQUENTLY posting visitors to this space who I am positing don’t have kids themselves.

    At least one of them has mentioned having children.

    I’m sure you’d admit that having kids doesn’t make someone immune to immature behaviour.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: They will if Gary tells them it is the only way it will work.

    Not really – it goes against the current provisions of the CBA so would need to be an agreement by the two sides and not something Gary dictates. I don’t think he’d dictate it in any event (that’s just my opinion).

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Just to add..the last third round pick the Oilers “hit” on was Jujar Khaira…eight years ago.
    If he were to be traded you might get a third round pick for him.
    Quite likely he could easily be replaced by a NCAA free agent or European signing.

    That Bear and Jones were picked in the 5th and 6th round proves how much of a crap shoot it is…not how good the scouts are or they would have been picked sooner.

    Hitting players in later rounds shows just how valuable picks are and how the implication that the flames couldn’t care less about a 3rd round pick is really silly.

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: More petulant childish behaviour from these two FREQUENTLY posting visitors to this space who I am positing don’t have kids themselves.

    Would you like to add something to conversation about the Oilers or even hockey or even sports?

    I wonder if bragging about the drug induced life is known as mature adult or childish behavior?

    In any even, I’ll continue to speak about Oilers related topics on the Oilers-centric blog.

    Thank you.

  69. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: Just to add..the last third round pick the Oilers “hit” on was Jujar Khaira…eight years ago.
    If he were to be traded you might get a third round pick for him.
    Quite likely he could easily be replaced by a NCAA free agent or European signing.

    That Bear and Jones were picked in the 5th and 6th round proves how much of a crap shoot it is…not how good the scouts are or they would have been picked sooner.

    You won’t get an argument from me. I’ve said the same things myself.

  70. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: Not really – it goes against the current provisions of the CBA so would need to be an agreement by the two sides and not something Gary dictates.I don’t think he’d dictate it in any event (that’s just my opinion).

    Where does the CBA speak to how trades have to be conducted?

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    The CBA does not provide for a part of a trade to be consummated in the future.

    Trades are not final until they are filed with the league and approved/verified.

  72. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The CBA does not provide for a part of a trade to be consummated in the future.

    Trades are not final until they are filed with the league and approved/verified.

    Trades for future considerations are fairly common. That is what these would be.

    I know that trades are not final until vetted and approved by the league but that has nothing to do with the CBA and its relationship with the PA. It is an internal rule dictated by the league that the clubs are required to adhere to.

    There is nothing in your response that I can see that corroborates your initial assertion that my suggestion abrogates the conditions of the CBA.

    Whether or not Gary would dictate it or not was just my shorthand for the BOG making the decision to proceed in this way since for all intents and purposes their decisions are made public by Gary and usually following on his recommendations according to media reports.

  73. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: The CBA does not provide for a part of a trade to be consummated in the future.

    There’s a few things that will be happening that are not covered by, or will directly contradict the CBA.

  74. Harpers Hair says:

    nelson88: Just wait until Samorukov makes you eat those words. Kids going to have a better NHL career than joulevi or valimaki and yes even Groban Taffery

    Now 6th on the LD depth chart.

    How long do I have to wait?

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Now 6th on the LD depth chart.

    How long do I have to wait?

    Well, in four years he’ll be as old as Rafferty is now and he’s a can’t miss 2nd pairing guy….

  76. €√¥£€^$ says:

    OriginalPouzar: Well, in four years he’ll be as old as Rafferty is now and he’s a can’t miss 2nd pairing guy….

    Nom nom nom

  77. defmn says:

    Munny: There’s a few things that will be happening that are not covered by, or will directly contradict the CBA.

    You always put it so much more succinctly than I manage.

  78. duct tape and foil says:

    I actually think he will improve significantly if he has time to train in what ever the off-season becomes. He needs to get NHL strong to compete along the wall and not get pushed around so much. You don’t understand how much stronger you need to be until you play against NHers every night. He has good speed and enough talent to make a difference but needs to get stronger to win battles.

    OriginalPouzar: Likely – although at less than 43% on the faceoff dot, I’m not sure that means much.

    I don’t anticipate he’ll improve much either – I recall an interview with him in the summer and he professed to no being great at faceoffs but had worked very hard at it and improved to be decent.

  79. jp says:

    duct tape and foil:
    I actually think he will improve significantly if he has time to train in what ever the off-season becomes. He needs to get NHL strong to compete along the wall and not get pushed around so much. You don’t understand how much stronger you need to be until you play against NHers every night. He has good speed and enough talent to make a difference but needs to get stronger to win battles.

    This may well be true but the guy is 28. I’m not sure how much more growth we can expect from him in any area.

  80. diego costa says:

    €√¥£€^$: Nom nom nom

    It wouldn’t be the same without an extended purse swinger between OP & HH.

  81. duct tape and foil says:

    Holland still has work to do to clean up the mess left behind, but he’s been very good so far. If a compliance buyout allows the team to jettison Neal and a buyer found for Russell, then we are in good shape.

    Only significant holes IMHO are 3C with wheels and 1bG. Those are not impossible holes to fill. We scrapped by with Sheahan but he’s a 4/5C and barely keeping up with his wheels. I do appreciate his PK work though. Smith was wonderful and awful, sometimes in the same game, but the awful stretches will get longer every year until these are the entire year. Don’t want any part of that risk going forward. Those were the most worrisome bets that went OK last year, but I’m not inclined to roll the dice again. Need better players at 3C with wheels and 1bG to keep improving, and Holland has both more time and less pressing needs going forward.

  82. hunter1909 says:

    duct tape and foil: Holland still has work to do to clean up the mess left behind, but he’s been very good so far.

    Holland has been doing Sather levels of improvement to this formerly moribund Buffalo Sabres 2020 style team. For example, no more does anyone say McDavid wants out. Nowhere else to get a better complimentary centre lol

  83. Ribs says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’d rather have this conversation than read about recipes or studies on Covid (which I get elsewhere), etc.

    I love the Oilers talk but enjoy the side stuff the same amount (okay, maybe even more) when it comes to this place. In a perfect world we’d have comments about anything and everything in our every day threads. There is a quality quotient when it comes to comments on this blog that is unmatched to anywhere that I have witnessed. To suppress that in any way would be a crime.

    There’s the general consensus that we read LT’s excellent write-ups every day and I imagine we usually come to many of the same conclusions. We quibble and confirm and spur on secondary conversations, but we are mostly settled in. It’s fair game from there!

    Oilers news? Welcomed!

    Timely updates from the wide world of sports? Welcomed!

    Important world or local news? Welcomed!

    Wild stories from the past (sports related or not!) ? Welcomed!

    Recipes for great food or drinks? Welcomed!

    Updates on family situations or celebrations? Welcomed!

    Recommendations on anything thought highly of? Welcomed!

    Lengthy wildly artistic posts that make us look up several words to help us understand? Welcomed!

    Rambling lists of statistics that likely only mean anything of substance to the author? Welcomed!

    Anything hockey, Oilers, Edmonton/Alberta, or sports in general? Welcomed!

    Pimp your warez? Welcomed (if a regular commenter)!

    I’m sure I’ve missed a bunch, but this blog has always had a very healthy community setting and my opinion is that we should try to continue this practice as long as possible 🙂

  84. meanashell11 says:

    Ribs: I love the Oilers talk but enjoy the side stuff the same amount (okay, maybe even more) when it comes to this place. In a perfect world we’d have comments about anything and everything in our every day threads. There is a quality quotient when it comes to comments on this blog that is unmatched to anywhere that I have witnessed. To suppress that in any way would be a crime.

    There’s the general consensus that we read LT’s excellent write-ups every day and I imagine we usually come to many of the same conclusions. We quibble and confirm and spur on secondary conversations, but we are mostly settled in. It’s fair game from there!

    Oilers news? Welcomed!

    Timely updates from the wide world of sports? Welcomed!

    Important world or local news? Welcomed!

    Wild stories from the past (sports related or not!) ? Welcomed!

    Recipes for great food or drinks? Welcomed!

    Updates on family situations or celebrations? Welcomed!

    Recommendations on anything thought highly of? Welcomed!

    Lengthy wildly artistic posts that make us look up several words to help us understand? Welcomed!

    Rambling lists of statistics that likely only mean anything of substance to the author? Welcomed!

    Anything hockey, Oilers, Edmonton/Alberta, or sports in general? Welcomed!

    Pimp your warez? Welcomed (if a regular commenter)!

    I’m sure I’ve missed a bunch, but this blog has always had a very healthy community setting and my opinion is that we should try to continue this practice as long as possible

    Purse swinging. Not welcomed!

  85. VanIsleOil says:

    Ribs,

    Agree 100%. This blog is much more than just hockey…as is life…

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    duct tape and foil:
    I actually think he will improve significantly if he has time to train in what ever the off-season becomes. He needs to get NHL strong to compete along the wall and not get pushed around so much. You don’t understand how much stronger you need to be until you play against NHers every night. He has good speed and enough talent to make a difference but needs to get stronger to win battles.

    I’m sure (well, confident) his game will improve but am not so sure about his faceoffs.

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: There’s a few things that will be happening that are not covered by, or will directly contradict the CBA.

    Yes, of course, however, things that change the current CBA will be agreed to among the NHLPA and the Board of Governors and I don’t think this trade scenario will be one.

    I don’t see an agreement in place that provides that a team can trade a player for a draft pick, make the pick and continue to use the player for the rest of the season.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ribs: I love the Oilers talk but enjoy the side stuff the same amount (okay, maybe even more) when it comes to this place. In a perfect world we’d have comments about anything and everything in our every day threads. There is a quality quotient when it comes to comments on this blog that is unmatched to anywhere that I have witnessed. To suppress that in any way would be a crime.

    There’s the general consensus that we read LT’s excellent write-ups every day and I imagine we usually come to many of the same conclusions. We quibble and confirm and spur on secondary conversations, but we are mostly settled in. It’s fair game from there!

    Oilers news? Welcomed!

    Timely updates from the wide world of sports? Welcomed!

    Important world or local news? Welcomed!

    Wild stories from the past (sports related or not!) ? Welcomed!

    Recipes for great food or drinks? Welcomed!

    Updates on family situations or celebrations? Welcomed!

    Recommendations on anything thought highly of? Welcomed!

    Lengthy wildly artistic posts that make us look up several words to help us understand? Welcomed!

    Rambling lists of statistics that likely only mean anything of substance to the author? Welcomed!

    Anything hockey, Oilers, Edmonton/Alberta, or sports in general? Welcomed!

    Pimp your warez? Welcomed (if a regular commenter)!

    I’m sure I’ve missed a bunch, but this blog has always had a very healthy community setting and my opinion is that we should try to continue this practice as long as possible

    For sure – talk about whatever you want.

    I don’t log in and post specifically to bitch about the topics that don’t interest me, I just skim and skip and move on looking for hockey talk.

  89. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, of course, however, things that change the current CBA will be agreed to among the NHLPA and the Board of Governors and I don’t think this trade scenario will be one.

    I don’t see an agreement in place that provides that a team can trade a player for a draft pick, make the pick and continue to use the player for the rest of the season.

    Of course it is okay to disagree that the League might deploy this strategy, but DEFMN’s idea is viable considering all the other weird things–like contracts possibly extending beyond July 1–that will be happening.

    Your original stance was that it was impossible, glad to see you’ve come around.

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