Reminiscing

by Lowetide

The draft represents both closure and renewal. The ‘harvest moon’ posts come at the end of the draft, usually late afternoon and sometimes in the evening. The sun shines into my room when I’m writing the harvest moon post, it’s easily my favourite.

It’s a beautiful night on the day it ends, kind of like when harvest is done and the long work of spring to fall finally produces a good crop. That’s why I call it harvest moon.

The year is 2007. The Oilers have drafted three men in the first round and some interesting names later. Read on, friend.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, check it out here.

  • New Jonathan Willis: How Edmonton could have left 2010 draft with both Taylor Hall and Ryan Johansen
  • New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto’s NHL comparables offer Oilers fans hope for the future
  • Lowetide: Top 20 prospect update: A lot of movement and some impressive graduations
  • Lowetide: Mavrik Bourque a quality option for the Oilers in the draft
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Inside the franchise-altering decision to pick Leon Draisaitl over Sam Bennett
  • Lowetide: Adam Larsson’s Oilers future uncertain as ‘sexy’ options emerge
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: One-on-one with Wayne Gretzky: On the time he visited Moscow during the Cold War
  • Jonathan Willis and Lowetide: Discount forward options the Oilers could pursue in free agency
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Oh my God, Edmonton’s picking first’: An oral history of the 2015 NHL draft lottery
  • Lowetide: Comparison of Oilers, Flames drafts 2010-19 closer than it should be
  • Lowetide: The most potent lines in Oilers history
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: On the time Dave Semenko fought Muhammad Ali
  • Lowetide: Why Jan Mysak could be a value pick for the Oilers at the 2020 Draft
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers overcame malice in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver to join the NHL
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Remembering Jacques Plante’s brief tenure with the Oilers at age 45
  • Lowetide: Oilers need to find (or get) real value in William Lagesson

Harvest Moon 2007

I saw Kevin Lowe on television a few times today, he didn’t look like he was having fun. Too bad really, when you consider it’s extremely unlikely he’ll be back next season at the helm of the Oilers.

The day began with the usual spin about big deals ahead (“Oilers close on a couple of fronts”) but sputtered for obvious reasons (the Oilers CAN trade Staios, but they need to trade for someone better in return. No one wants to do that, since there are free agents straight ahead one week into the future).

The draft started well. With Voracek and Gagner on the board, Edmonton chose well with Sam Gagner: I like him because he can take and make a pass at high speed and makes good decisions with the puck. I could tell you how MUCH I like him if you would give me his ATOI totals. No matter, I like the pick.

At 15, the Oilers went back to two old chestnuts: SAW HIM GOOD and DRAFT FOR NEED. You just KNEW they’d take a defenseman with the second pick even if Christ Almighty was available up front.

I talked to Guy Flaming earlier today and he mentioned Alex Plante at 15 (he really did, I’m not making this up). Guy mentioned a nice size, decent speed package with skill and that he didn’t get beaten much one on one. I think Plante is a classic example of draft for need, an Edmonton Oilers tradition that dates back several years.

The draft up to that point was somewhat controversial but you could defend the decisions. However, by paying a supreme price (30+36) and trading up for a future role player in Riley Nash I believe the Oilers wasted assets that should cost someone their job.

All we’ve heard about this draft is that the picks from 15-50 are interchangeable and it seems to me that if you’re going to trade up it should be for a Mikael Backlund or David Perron. Losing two early picks in a draft that resembles 2002 made zero sense. Buffalo got Jochen Hecht for the 31 and 36 picks in 2002, Edmonton gave up 30 and 36 for the chance at a guy who should have been available at 36.

No. 6 overall RHC Sam Gagner. Nice range of skills: creative, terrific playmaker, good skater, can take and make a pass and make plays in traffic. I saw him take a terrific hit at the WJC’s and he got right back into the play. Scouts have said he can play well without the puck but we can also guess he’ll need work in that area. Played in the USHL and this was his rookie OHL season. Gagner’s points per game at age 17 (2.23) is exceptional, but we need to temper expectations for the same reasons Schremp’s numbers needed to have some air taken out of them (Schremp’s 17-year old ppg was 1.15 btw). Lots of ice time for London Knights. I don’t think the Oilers will move him along as quickly as they did Hemsky, but he’s the most talented forward they’ve drafted since Hemsky in 2001. ISS comparable: Marc Savard.

No. 15 overall RD Alex Plante. Alex Plante is a big kid (6-3.5, 225 according to ISS) who has a variety of skills. The Oilers should have taken Cherepanov. Even if he never played for them, the “asset” would have had more value (and quicker return) than young Plante. Redline: Alex Plante has come a long way since the beginning of the season. At 6-4/215-pounds, he showed surprising offensive skills, particularly on the PP, where he can act as either trigger man or quarterback. He’s not a big baggage smasher, but will use his body in front and to tie forwards up along the walls. ISS comparable: Kyle McLaren.

No. 21 overall RC Riley Nash. Most of the comments I’ve seen since the completion of the first round have had to do with passing on Cherepanov and Esposito. As much as I can agree it was an oversight, the real crime by the Oilers in the first round was giving up picks at #30 and #36 for the pick that brought them Nash. I like what Redline wrote about him: A really well schooled, all-around player who can play it any way you want. Big, raw, naturally athletic kid who can skate, shoot and pass. Also likes to get his nose dirty and really carried his club down the stretch. ISS comparable: Patrick Eaves.

No. 97 overall LW Linus Omark. Omark is small, 5-9. That’s Bobby Sheehan territory. Scouting report: A flashy player with first-class technical skills and hands. Very creative player with good hockey sense and natural scoring ability. Defense is okay, although it can be fine-tuned. The Oilers have had success drafting overage players both in Europe (Markkanen, Haakana, Pisa, Luoma) and in North America (Brodziak, Syvret, Roy).

No. 127 LC Milan Kytnar.  Reliable two-way center plays hard every shift. Great hand-eye, anticipates well, coachable. Strong skater with a minus first step, good hands and size. Accurate passer, can shadow his man. Good playmaker who sees the ice well. (Source: ISS). According to today’s Journal, the Oilers selected one of the Euro’s on day 2 because Kent Nilsson was passionate about him. This is probably the most depressing thing I’ve heard in a year.

No. 157 L William Quist. Raw. A project.

Quick note: I hope you enjoyed the 2007 harvest moon post. Now, a spoiler: It was several posts that I threw together for you. Every word appeared on this blog, and the overall thrust is the same (I didn’t add in Perron’s name, as an example, it was there) but this is the first exposure for the 2007 harvest moon.

2020 ENTRY DRAFT

Bruce Garrioch from the Ottawa Sun has the latest on the 2020 entry draft, looks like a decision will come soon.

My April list is here and the final ranking will be published June 1 (as it is every year). Here’s a reasonable mock for Edmonton.

No. 20 overall: LC Connor Zary, WHL. He is an older prospect (September 2001) so his offensive (NHLE: 37) potential is more clearly defined than some of the younger available players. That said he’s a two-way center who has bona fide skill. Steve Kournianois: Zary is an above-average skater in terms of straight-line speed and agility, but he is among the best in his class when it comes to balance, as he stays on his skates and can absorb punishing hits. Playmaking is just one of his distinguishable assets, as he can deliver precision passes from either his forehand or backhand. Strong and well-balanced, Zary displays deceptive quickness and requires only two or three strides to accelerate to top speed and become an open-ice threat.

No. 82 overall: LD Yan Kuznetsov (NCAA). I missed him early but have marked him now. Kuznetsov is a teenager in the NCAA, a big man with shutdown ability and at least some offensive chops. He went 2-9-11 for UCONN in 34 games, that’s a 10.2 NHLE. He’s a kid, turning 18 in March, in a league that employs men in their 20’s on the front lines. Ken Holland doesn’t draft much from Russian lists, but I think Kuznetsov might be worth the risk.

No. 144 overall: LC Daniel Ljungman, Linkoping (SuperElite). Emerged at the Hlinka-Gretzky and scored well in the SuperElite league. He has a terrific shot.

No. 175 overall: LC Joe Carroll (OHL). Big center who was eligible a year ago went on a scoring spree late in the year and is worth a draft and follow.

No. 206 overall: LW Emil Heineman (SuperEite). He is not highly rated but is a first time eligible (November 2001) who scored 26 goals in 29 games in the SuperElite league. Plus skater, scores goals. Sign me up.

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Ben

I’m not too keen on any draft that bars roster player movement. Just wait until the games are done or 19/20 is officially cancelled (as much as I’d LOVE to watch anything other than infection counts unfold live on TV).

dessert1111

Your 2007 write-ups hold up really well all these years later. Pegged Nash as a role player, Plante as a draft for need. Voracek has ended up better than Gagner but I think a lot of that has to do with Gagner never developing much. A lot of that is on the Oilers.

Trading picks and drafting for need can burn you, time and again.

Darth Tu

I think we’ve probably talked this to death, but is the Neal conditional pick safe then? If so that could be potentially huge moving forward. Spend her wisely Ken, spend her wisely.

OriginalPouzar

The Oilers didn’t just move Gagner along as fast as Hemsky, the moved him along faster – I wonder if another year in London would have benefited the development of his overall game and “center skills”?

Ughhh, Alex Plante.

Ughhh, Riley Nash

I remember all the talk about Cherepanov and Esposito – not that the Oilers chose well but it wasn’t because they passed on those names as it turned out.

OriginalPouzar

Darth Tu:
I think we’ve probably talked this to death, but is the Neal conditional pick safe then? If so that could be potentially huge moving forward. Spend her wisely Ken, spend her wisely.

It really seems like the league wants to have this June draft and, if they do and then there is some sort of completion of the regular season, I think that they will delay picks that move on condition to next year.

That is, if they play some summer hockey and Neal scores a couple, the Oilers will give the flames their 2021 3rd.

BONE207

Well the good news out of that 2007 draft is that they did get Perron…only it was years later. Those EIG teams could have really benefited from a smart GM. Hell, just getting to the playoffs might have made enough $$$ to make their investment sustainable. Darkness be gone forever…

defmn

I was a Voracek fan but, really, it was more like picking a name out of a hat than any prescience or due diligence. I just liked the reports on him better than what was being said about Gagner.

The 2nd round produced two excellent players in P.K. and Simmonds and then a whole lot of not much, really. Looking back Spaling was the third best player in that 2nd round. Nice to think we might have picked one of those if we hadn’t traded down for Nash but knowing the Oilers we were just as likely to end up with Nick Ross and Joel Gistdet.

Harpers Hair

wolf8888: Thanks HH. What a joy to watch. I wonder how his skill level is against current competition. Has anyone have any current video?

Seems to have been a NCAA standout in Denver.

Think the Flames may have a steal on their hands.

Great article about him this morning at the Athletic.

https://theathletic.com/1779825/2020/04/28/flames-become-latest-team-to-bank-on-a-return-investment-from-emilio-pettersen/

Harpers Hair

The Hlinka Gretzky Tournament has been cancelled.

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/news/2020-news-hlinka-gretzky-cup-cancelled

Harpers Hair

The NHL has announced a one year extension of the player transfer agreement with European leagues.

Expect a surge in signings.

defmn

Harpers Hair:
The NHL has announced a one year extension of the player transfer agreement with European leagues.

Expect a surge in signings.

A little more detail of what they did.

The NHL has announced new player transfer agreements today, including one-year extensions with the existing ones. Those include the IIHF Member Federations/Leagues in Austria, Belarus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Latvia, Norway, Slovakia, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.

They have also extended the existing CHL Agreement with the Canadian Hockey League (OHL, WHL, QMJHL). This means that nothing will change in regards to players drafted out of the CHL being eligible for AHL play before the age of 20. Corey Pronman of The Athletic (subscription required) recently polled scouts on whether the believed the agreement should be amended; 60% felt it should be, however, any changes will have to wait at least another year.

The biggest news however is the new one-year agreement with the Swiss Ice Hockey Association and Swiss League, something that previously did not exist. This will provide extra opportunities for players in Switzerland to come over to North America, and will slightly tweak the rules for draft picks out of the league.

OriginalPouzar

The transfer agreements with the various European leagues (excluding KHL of course) have been extended for a year.

I would expect Berglund, etc. to be announced shortly.

https://twitter.com/pr_nhl/status/1255172946156498947?s=21

Munny

Ben: I’m not too keen on any draft that bars roster player movement.

I agree. I think it would be a bad idea.

Munny

defmn,

Thank you, Sir.

defmn

OriginalPouzar: It really seems like the league wants to have this June draft and, if they do and then there is some sort of completion of the regular season, I think that they will delay picks that move on condition to next year.

That is, if they play some summer hockey and Neal scores a couple, the Oilers will give the flames their 2021 3rd.

If I had to bet in a contest between what Bettman wants and what the owners want I would put my money on Bettman. 😉

In the article the other day where LeBrun (I think) claimed the majority of owners were opposed there was a snippet that some of the heavyweight owners were for it. So I am guessing we see a draft in early June.

My guess for how that plays out.

Order by point percentage with the lottery allowing any team to move up by four spots.

Trades for players for draft picks are consummated and sealed and kept at the league office until the season is completed and announced as future considerations. This will drive fan bases crazy and cause all sorts of speculation thereby keeping the league in the news as reporters speculate and try to find out the details. Can teams keep things like this quiet? I guess they can try.

How much does Holland value that 3rd round pick? No idea. If he really wants it I only let Neal play until he scores his next goal and then he is done for the season.

It will be interesting to see if they send video equipment to the homes of the top ranked 30-40 players so they can do interviews with them as they are chosen. It would be a nice touch.

defmn

David Staples
@dstaples
·
1h
I’m now persuaded by additional info from @BruceMcCurdy
that Haas is better than 50/50 bet. This put it over the top: :According to @NatStatTrick
Haas drew 14 penalties & took just 3, a very nice ratio. That translates to +3 or 4 goals at usual special teams conversion rates.”

Harpers Hair

defmn: If I had to bet in a contest between what Bettman wants and what the owners want I would put my money on Bettman.

In the article the other day where LeBrun (I think) claimed the majority of owners were opposed there was a snippet that some of the heavyweight owners were for it. So I am guessing we see a draft in early June.

My guess for how that plays out.

Order by point percentage with the lottery allowing any team to move up by four spots.

Trades for players for draft picks are consummated and sealed and kept at the league office until the season is completed and announced as future considerations. This will drive fan bases crazy and cause all sorts of speculation thereby keeping the league in the news as reporters speculate and try to find out the details. Can teams keep things like this quiet? I guess they can try.

How much does Holland value that 3rd round pick? No idea. If he really wants it I only let Neal play until he scores his next goal and then he is done for the season.

It will be interesting to see if they send video equipment to the homes of the top ranked 30-40 players so they can do interviews with them as they are chosen. It would be a nice touch.

I’m not so sure the Flames will care much about that third round pick in any event.

They have been loading up this month off with NCAA talent and the Swede we heard about earlier.

Along with today’s Pettersson signing…

Colton Poolman UND

Connor Mackey Minnesota State

Johannes Kinvall SHL

They’ve been loading up the prospect pool without waiting for the draft.

Impressive work.

jp

Harpers Hair: I’m not so sure the Flames will care much about that third round pick in any event.

They have been loading up this month off with NCAA talent and the Swede we heard about earlier.

Along with today’s Pettersson signing…

Colton Poolman UND

Connor Mackey Minnesota State

Johannes Kinvall SHL

They’ve been loading up the prospect pool without waiting for the draft.

Impressive work.

It almost looks like 2016 when the Oilers signed:

Jere Sallinen
Nick Ellis
Drake Caggiula
Patrick Russell
Matt Benning

Unlikely the Flames group will end up that strong but you never know.

defmn

Harpers Hair:

Bought a bottle of Nando’s Pirri Pirri strong yesterday after reading the chatter here about it. Nice flavour with the lemon but I prefer my hot sauce with a little more kick.

My current favourite is this one but they have expanded their line considerably since I last ordered. My son just bought a 12 pack of different types so I will have to get his opinion before I make my next purchase.

This one will grow hair on your toes though.

https://maritimemadness.com/collections/all-sauces/products/ultimate-giver-c-reaper-sauce?variant=3641882607656

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair:
The Hlinka Gretzky Tournament has been cancelled.

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/news/2020-news-hlinka-gretzky-cup-cancelled

Seravelli speculating that one of the reasons was to keep the Rogers Place ice open for potential NHL games.

John Chambers

defmn:
David Staples
@dstaples
·
1h
I’m now persuaded by additional info from @BruceMcCurdythat Haas is better than 50/50 bet. This put it over the top: :According to @NatStatTrickHaas drew 14 penalties & took just 3, a very nice ratio. That translates to +3 or 4 goals at usual special teams conversion rates.”

How on-point is McCurdy with his “numbers”? His “number” from the CoH podcast is always a window into his genius and geniality.

I’ve also remarked, listening to Jack Michaels play-by-play all year, how frequently “Gaetan Haas has drawn a penalty with his speed.” +14 -3 is a nice stat.

Haas also showed some nice mitts throughout the season. I realize Khaira is a strong PK’er but IMO Haas was the better overall player and should’ve owned the 4C role.

slopitch

Im hoping Askarov slips. Goalies sometimes do. Other than that, all I wanna see is skill, iq and speed. Cheering lately for Bourque or Reichel. The DEL is on the upswing imo. But dont have a strong opinion yet.

Harpers Hair

defmn: Bought a bottle of Nando’s Pirri Pirri strong yesterday after reading the chatter here about it. Nice flavour with the lemon but I prefer my hot sauce with a little more kick.

My current favourite is this one but they have expanded their line considerably since I last ordered. My son just bought a 12 pack of different types so I will have to get his opinion before I make my next purchase.

This one will grow hair on your toes though.

https://maritimemadness.com/collections/all-sauces/products/ultimate-giver-c-reaper-sauce?variant=3641882607656

You appear to be a hot sauce aficionado so I thought you might be interested in a place just a few minutes from our home.

If you’re ever out this way, stop in at the Old Country Market in Coombs.

They stock literally dozens of brands of hot sauce from all over the world.

https://oldcountrymarket.com

jp

John Chambers: How on-point is McCurdy with his “numbers”? His “number” from the CoH podcast is always a window into his genius and geniality.

I’ve also remarked, listening to Jack Michaels play-by-play all year, how frequently “Gaetan Haas has drawn a penalty with his speed.” +14 -3 is a nice stat.

Haas also showed some nice mitts throughout the season. I realize Khaira is a strong PK’er but IMO Haas was the better overall player and should’ve owned the 4C role.

Haas couldn’t score at all, though neither could Khaira (Khaira was quite respectable the previous 2 seasons at least).

PK and big are what gave Khaira the advantage, agreed that Haas was the better 5v5 player.

It’s odd that Tippett didn’t use Haas at all on the PK (6 minutes all year) despite him having a rep as a shutdown C from Switzerland. Maybe in time.

And yes, Bruce is excellent.

John Chambers

jp,

Haas didn’t score much but he did score a key goal on the 2nd night of the season as well as a late tying goal against Minnesota in December, which Edm ended up losing in regulation.

Khaira’s output was no better, but he also benefitted from playing higher up the lineup at times (on a wing with his buddy Nuge for several games).

Also, Gaetan Haas is the boss with the sauce. #SauceBossHaas

OriginalPouzar

Ben:
I’m not too keen on any draft that bars roster player movement. Just wait until the games are done or 19/20 is officially cancelled (as much as I’d LOVE to watch anything other than infection counts unfold live on TV).

I agree with this, the draft is one of three key days for player movement:

– trade deadline
– draft
– opening of free agency

The draft and the days leading to the draft are “a spectacle” and a time for excitement, speculation – “hockey talk”.

With that said, from what I heard, while there was quite a bit of push-back to a June draft, there were some people with great importance that were in favor and I’m not sure the league doesn’t push this one through.

I hope not – not without the season being cancelled.

defmn

Harpers Hair: You appear to be a hot sauce aficionado so I thought you might be interested in a place just a few minutes from our home.

If you’re ever out this way, stop in at the Old Country Market in Coombs.

They stock literally dozens of brands of hot sauce from all over the world.

https://oldcountrymarket.com

Ah, yes, the Goats on a Roof. I’ve never stopped in but my wife loves the beaches around Tofino so whenever we are out on the island we try and get up there for a couple of days. I had no idea they were hot sauce specialists though.

Having lived in Thailand for years I definitely acquired a taste for spicy food though. Now that I am old and decrepit not so much as when I was younger but I used to sit and eat thai chiles like mints.

jp

John Chambers:
jp,

Haas didn’t score much but he did score a key goal on the 2nd night of the season as well as a late tying goal against Minnesota in December, which Edm ended up losing in regulation.

Khaira’s output was no better, but he also benefitted from playing higher up the lineup at times (on a wing with his buddy Nuge for several games).

Also, Gaetan Haas is the boss with the sauce. #SauceBossHaas

Haha.

Haas was 325th in P/60 among 334 forwards to play 500 minutes this season. I don’t think that earns him his own hashtag or any moniker involving boss. 🙂

Khaira was right there with him (0.80 P/60 vs 0.81 for Haas) but he scored 1.38P/60 each of the previous 2 seasons. He had 2 points in 118 minutes with Nuge so that wasn’t much of a scoring boost.

I like both players fine but the fact is neither will be in the NHL for long if they keep scoring 10 points a season. I hope Khaira rebounds and Haas finds a way to impact the scoresheet more (and adds PK to his resume).

OriginalPouzar

As anticipated, the Haas signing is official – one year at $915K.

Surprising (to me) that its a bit higher than Nygard….

defmn

OriginalPouzar:
As anticipated, the Haas signing is official – one year at $915K.

Surprising (to me) that its a bit higher than Nygard….

Better agent?

OriginalPouzar

LeBrun with a new update at The Athletic saying the NHL is looking at delaying the start of 2020/21 until December but still getting in the full 82 – they would scrap the all-star break, bye week, shorten the Christmas break, etc. and would play in to July as they want the full 82 (as they have said all along).

https://theathletic.com/1781539/2020/04/28/lebrun-nhl-hints-at-december-start-for-2020-21-season/?source=emp_shared_article

Two reasons cited for possible December start:

1) more time to get in the 2019/20

2) they want fans in the stands.

One quote from the article on that point:

“A lot of teams feel they need fans back in their arenas next season before opening the doors. That’s what they’re telling me. It’s fine to try and finish off the 2019-20 season without fans because 85 percent of the regular season has been played and that gate money has been earned. But by the time the NHL opens up shop for 2020-21 season, most teams can’t even think of starting without fans in the building. Some organizations have told me they would lose less money by simply staying dark. Hence, they’re hoping a December start will be enough time for the world to be in a better place with the pandemic. ”

I have posted a few times recently that I think a later start may be something the league wants as it gives them a better chance for fans – looks like that is coming to fruition.

The NHL-NHLPA’s Return to Play Committee will meet again tomorrow but it sounds like some players are very much against having to be away from their families for up to 3-4 months – Daneault and Tavares have spoke about it.

OriginalPouzar

Also, player quarantine expected to be extended to mid-May with the hope of a relaxation around May 15 allowing players to skate again in small groups at their NHL team facilities.

defmn

OriginalPouzar:

TheNHL-NHLPA’s Return to Play Committee will meet again tomorrow but it sounds like some players are very much against having to be away from their families for up to 3-4 months – Daneault and Tavares have spoke about it.

I don’t think Daneault needs to worry. Maybe Tavares doesn’t either. 😉

Todd Macallan

OriginalPouzar:
As anticipated, the Haas signing is official – one year at $915K.

Surprising (to me) that its a bit higher than Nygard….

Only RH center on the roster is my guess why he’s getting a bit more

godot10

OriginalPouzar: Seravelli speculating that one of the reasons was to keep the Rogers Place ice open for potential NHL games.

The health costs of a creating a bubble for the Hlinka, along with the logistics for quarantine beforehand would be large for a tournament with very little revenue.

€√¥£€^$

defmn: Better agent?

RHC

godot10

OriginalPouzar:
LeBrun with a new update at The Athletic saying the NHL is looking at delaying the start of 2020/21 until December but still getting in the full 82 – they would scrap the all-star break, bye week, shorten the Christmas break, etc. and would play in to July as they want the full 82 (as they have said all along).

https://theathletic.com/1781539/2020/04/28/lebrun-nhl-hints-at-december-start-for-2020-21-season/?source=emp_shared_article

Two reasons cited for possible December start:

1) more time to get in the 2019/20

2) they want fans in the stands.

One quote from the article on that point:

“A lot of teams feel they need fans back in their arenas next season before opening the doors. That’s what they’re telling me. It’s fine to try and finish off the 2019-20 season without fans because 85 percent of the regular season has been played and that gate money has been earned. But by the time the NHL opens up shop for 2020-21 season, most teams can’t even think of starting without fans in the building. Some organizations have told me they would lose less money by simply staying dark. Hence, they’re hoping a December start will be enough time for the world to be in a better place with the pandemic. ”

I have posted a few times recently that I think a later start may be something the league wants as it gives them a better chance for fans – looks like that is coming to fruition.

TheNHL-NHLPA’s Return to Play Committee will meet again tomorrow but it sounds like some players are very much against having to be away from their families for up to 3-4 months – Daneault and Tavares have spoke about it.

Without a therapeutic, I really doubt that there will be fans in the stands next season.

Tavares and Daneault are being unrealistic. If they want their million dollar salaries (with 50% escrows), they are going to have to be away from their families. Probably next season too.

SARS-COV-2 doesn’t recognize privilege and entitlement.

€√¥£€^$

Interesting the see how things will play out, but based on the discussion I’ve read the timeline may be a mid to late June resumption of the season (the league wants to satisfy their TV contract obligations this year, rather than to carry it over into the following year(s). At least that is my interpretation.

Does anyone have interest in participating a pool regarding the following or other suggestions, I had thought an Oiler Draft pick pool would be interesting as well:

1. Will the season re-start? Yes/No
2. Date of 1st regular season game(s) in 2020 Calendar year
3. Number of teams playing
4. Date of 1st play-off game(s)
5. Host Cities, name all
6. Date the Cup awarded
7. Date of 2020 Draft
8. Cup Champ
9. Conn Smythe winner
10. Who picks Lafreniere
11. Oilers first pick
12. Number of picks by Oilers

defmn

€√¥£€^$: RHC

Both down from last season. Not a huge amount – Nygard by $50,000 and Hass by $10,000 but every bit counts. Holland doing a little grinding.

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defmn: Both down from last season. Not a huge amount – Nygard by $50,000 and Hass by $10,000 but every bit counts. Holland doing a little grinding.

I think both players are really good bets to improve their first season in NA. Kudos to them for beating out NHL vets like Granlund, Jurco and AHL guys like Currie, Malone and Gambardella to make the Oilers.

OriginalPouzar

wolf8888: Thanks HH. What a joy to watch. I wonder how his skill level is against current competition. Has anyone have any current video?

I do note that he’s one of only two minus players on his team and the only minus player in the top 15 in scoring.

Not worth much but about as news-worth on an Oilers blog as the flames signing their 2018 6th rounder who will move from Denver to Stockton….

OriginalPouzar

defmn:

Trades for players for draft picks are consummated and sealed and kept at the league office until the season is completed and announced as future considerations. This will drive fan bases crazy and cause all sorts of speculation thereby keeping the league in the news as reporters speculate and try to find out the details. Can teams keep things like this quiet? I guess they can try.

I don’t think this will work.

If a trade is consummated at the draft, I don’t think a player traded will continue to be eligible to play for his current team (and, of course, couldn’t play for the acquiring team).

For example, if the Oilers trade Chiasson to Washington for a late pick – Chiassor wouldn’t be able to play for either team.

It will be all but a no-trade event (well except for picks and non-roster players like Puljujarvi).

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar: I do note that he’s one of only two minus players on his team and the only minus player in the top 15 in scoring.

Not worth much but about as news-worth on an Oilers blog as the flames signing their 2018 6th rounder who will move from Denver to Stockton….

Thanks for the lack of context.

Both players are legit prospects.

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair: I’m not so sure the Flames will care much about that third round pick in any event.

They have been loading up this month off with NCAA talent and the Swede we heard about earlier.

Along with today’s Pettersson signing…

Colton Poolman UND

Connor Mackey Minnesota State

Johannes Kinvall SHL

They’ve been loading up the prospect pool without waiting for the draft.

Impressive work.

I’m quite confidant they would very much want the third round pick no matter who else they’ve signed.

As a rival fan, I’m not concerned about any of these distant bell signings – prove it in the NHL and then I’ll give kudos.

Harpers Hair

Swedish UFA forward Mathis Brome signs with Detroit.

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar: I’m quite confidant they would very much want the third round pick no matter who else they’ve signed.

As a rival fan, I’m not concerned about any of these distant bell signings – prove it in the NHL and then I’ll give kudos.

In the last 5 drafts the number of third round picks that have played 100 games is a total of THREE.

There are more productive fishing spots.

jp

Harpers Hair: Thanks for the lack of context.

Both players are legit prospects.

Pettersson is a Flames draft pick, not a UFA. They are the same player.

defmn

OriginalPouzar: I don’t think this will work.

If a trade is consummated at the draft, I don’t think a player traded will continue to be eligible to play for his current team (and, of course, couldn’t play for the acquiring team).

For example, if the Oilers trade Chiasson to Washington for a late pick – Chiassor wouldn’t be able to play for either team.

It will be all but a no-trade event (well except for picks and non-roster players like Puljujarvi).

Maybe I wasn’t clear. The trade is announced as ‘future considerations’ for the draft pick. Nobody but the two GM’s know what the future consideration is as it is buried in a sealed envelope in the safe at the league’s office to be announced when the season is over. So all players who are traded are not aware they have been traded and the date of their trade is not until the season is finished.

Whether or not teams can actually keep those secrets is another story but theoretically the only people who need to know the details are the two GM’s and either Bettman or Bill Daly.