Last Chance Texaco

It’s always interesting to see a new general manager suss through the closets of the major and minor roster, plus the draft picks who have to be signed each summer. So far, Ken Holland has hit ‘retain’ surprisingly often, has one more player to decide on this summer.

Along with signing his own second-round selection from last summer (Raphael Lavoie), Holland inked Swedish free-agent blue Theodor Lennstrom plus two 2016 draft picks (Markus Niemelainen, Filip Berglund). Now, Graham McPhee is the last man to sign or not sign, and beginning tomorrow, another procurement opportunity arrives.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, check it out here.

50-MAN LIST (41, 32 signed, 8 RFA, 1 slide)

Holland’s year has given the group speed up front, more clarity and balance on defense, and, for this season at least, goaltending good enough to put them in a grand spot to make the postseason.

Gone in Holland’s first season: Milan Lucic, Tobias Rieder, Kyle Brodziak, Tyler Vesel, Colin Larkin, Sam Gagner, Jesse Puljujarvi*, Ty Rattie, Andrej Sekera, Joel Persson, Robin Norell, Ryan Mantha. *JP didn’t sign but Edmonton retains his rights.

Incoming during Holland’s first season: Andreas Athanasiou, James Neal, Joakim Nygard, Ryan Kuffner, Gaetan Haas, Alex Chiasson (re-signed), Josh Archibald, Raphael Lavoie (signed entry deal recently), Theodore Lennstrom, Markus Niemelainen, Philip Broberg, Filip Berglund.

Mike Smith, Riley Sheahan, Patrick Russell, Markus Granlund, Tomas Jurco, Josh Currie were signed, Tyler Ennis, Mike Green acquired, and all are free agents entering the offseason.

If Dave Tippett can find a way to get Tyler Benson into an NHL role next season, and accelerate Ryan McLeod’s development to the point where he’s playing NHL games by the end of the 2020-21 season, the Oilers will be close to balanced for the first time in one forever. If Evan Bouchard can make the jump, Holland will have excess defensemen he can market. I think both Holland and Tippett have done very well in year one.

GRAHAM MCPHEE

David Gregory, Central Scouting: You immediately notice his compete level for sure. He goes out and gives you everything he has each shift. To me, he’s a coach’s dream in a sense that you can play him a lot of situations and you know what you’re going to get out of him from his work ethic.

Let’s talk about skill. McPhee’s college career didn’t see enough at even strength to suggest he’ll flourish in the NHL eventually. Here are the even strength numbers for his career:

  • 2016-17: 39, 2-7-9 .231
  • 2017-18: 36, 6-5-11 .306
  • 2018-19: 29, 2-6-8 .276
  • 2019-20: 34, 5-5-10 .294

There were some major issues for Boston College during McPhee’s time there, the team spent over a year being unable to score much at all. Whatever McPhee’s abilities may be, the math doesn’t catch him in a good light. As a comparison, here are Aapeli Rasanen’s even strength numbers for BC during the same period:

  • 2017-18: 32, 3-9-12 .375
  • 2018-19: 33, 4-2-6 .182
  • 2019-20: 34, 6-9-15 .441

Rasanen spiked nicely in his junior season, but he’s heading for Kalpa in the Liiga next year. Edmonton has until next summer to sign him, the time in the Finnish pro league may give the Oilers are clearer view. His spike in scoring coincided with a move from center to wing, I need not tell you a righty two-way center would have high value to the franchise.

The free 90-day trial continues, I go back to the Dallas Stars days to identify just how many players Tippett helped along the way, and the players he may be able to help next year and beyond.

HERE COMES THE SUN 2020

It is complete and will publish at 8:30 Edmonton time tomorrow. There’s quite a lot of shuffling, the last post is the one where I slot the Euros. As there are no tournaments this year, math held all the power beyond a few late tips. There are 29 OHL, 22 WHL, 16 USHL 13 QMJHL and 11 SuperElite names among the 125 listed. I’ll have a mock, maybe two.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t imagine that McPhee gets an NHL contract and a place on the 50.

    I could see Holland offering him an AHL deal.

    Given the Oilers lack of center depth, it could be a solid landing spot from him – California – not far from his birth city of Vegas.

  2. jp says:

    Holland really has made a lot of changes in one year. Even without the deadline additions and UFAs the Holland adds are clearly better than their replacements. So much depth the finish out this season too!

    And Graham McPhee. He sounds like a fine, hard working young man but he scored 12 points or less in 3 of his 4 college seasons. I’d be shocked if Holland gave him a deal (even an AHL one honestly).

    Based on his scouting report I imagine former management likely would have (thinking of Larkin and Vesey getting NHL deals for instance). Definitely a change for the better if those kinds of things don’t happen any more…

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think there is little doubt that Evan Bouchard can make the jump – I think he will play the majority of his minutes in the NHL next season. The question, for me, is if he starts in the AHL and gets called up quickly or if he breaks camp with the team. Much is dependant on Benning, Green and trades/re-signing – we wait.

    Nygard was re-signed, Archie was re-signed, Haas was re-signed, I see no reason to trade Khaira for a depth pick, not at a cheap $1.2M. Sheahan may price himself out and P. Russell is likely gone.

    AA is in and we wait on Ennis.

    Ennis vs. Benson – is that a discussion.

    I think the can re-sign Ennis and, of course, with injuries, Benson will get his shot and he may never look back.

  4. Oil2Oilers says:

    It is excellent that we will likely get a few more games to evaluate Athanasiou, fully healthy and after a mini training camp.

    As the summer off season is being pushed to a fall off season I have upped my 3 things for Holland to rule the summer to 6 to rule the fall;

    1. Trade Puljujarvi + Chiason to Ottawa for the last of there 3 first round picks.

    2. Trade Benning + found money 3d to Toronto for Kapanen

    3. Draft Seth Jarvis

    4. Draft Justin Barron

    5. Sign Bear to long term contract for medium money.

    6. Trade Russell for a bucket of pucks post bonus. Arizona.might use a vet LHD for $1.5M is real dollars.

    Oilers would end the off season with 2 excellent long term prospects and a talented age appropriate third line center.

  5. Oil2Oilers says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Bouchard starting the season, ever so briefly, in the AHL seems prudent waiver eligible wise. Assuming some RHD depth remains. A Draisaitl or Yamamoto call up explosion could be in the cards.

    I would like for the Oilers to resign Ennis and like for Benson to make the NHL but I have no idea if either will happen.

  6. Clarkenstein says:

    Gone in Holland’s first season: Milan Lucic, Tobias Rieder, Kyle Brodziak, Tyler Vesel, Colin Larkin, Sam Gagner, Jesse Puljujarvi*, Ty Rattie, Andrej Sekera, Joel Persson, Robin Norell, Ryan Mantha. *JP didn’t sign but Edmonton retains his rights.

    20/20 hindsight is what we do best for sure but to think any management team thought virtually any of these players were going to contribute to a Championship hockey club is just bizarre. Frustrating really.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Bouchard starting the season, ever so briefly, in the AHL seems prudent waiver eligible wise. Assuming some RHD depth remains. A Draisaitl or Yamamoto call up explosion could be in the cards.

    I would like for the Oilers to resign Ennis and like for Benson to make the NHL but I have no idea if either will happen.

    I do hope that Bouch starts in the AHL (assuming there is an AHL season happening) as I think its important to have 3 incumbent right shot D ahead of him (and he won’t start in the press box) – I pick Benning but whether its Benning, Green or a cheap veteran add, I hope there is some depth and cover there (after Bouchard, there is NOTHING in the North American pro ranks with Berglund staying in Skelfeeta for next season).

    I do think that he will blow the doors off the AHL and the call will come early and he’ll be brimming with confidance.

    With that said, I would like to ask what the waivers comment relates to? Is that simply because Bouch will be exempt from waivers and a guy like Lagesson will be subject thereto?

  8. Brantford Boy says:

    OriginalPouzar: P. Russell is likely gone

    I’m not so sure about this… the coach sure seemed to like him, as did I… wish he could have scored but he played well otherwise… I think if we keep Khaira you keep Russell too…

  9. jtblack says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    It is excellent that we will likely get a few more games to evaluate Athanasiou, fully healthy and after a mini training camp.

    As the summer off season is being pushed to a fall off season I have upped my 3 things for Holland to rule the summer to 6 to rule the fall;

    1. Trade Puljujarvi + Chiason to Ottawa for the last of there 3 first round picks.

    2. Trade Benning + found money 3d to Toronto for Kapanen

    3. Draft Seth Jarvis

    4. Draft Justin Barron

    5. Sign Bear to long term contract for medium money.

    6. Trade Russell for a bucket of pucks post bonus. Arizona.might use a vet LHD for $1.5M is real dollars.

    Oilers would end the off season with 2 excellent long term prospects and a talented age appropriate third line center.

    I can get behind something like this

    Who is found money 3D?

  10. slopitch says:

    Such a weird time to be thinking of the draft and future with the playoffs just around the corner.

    I think you trade JP to replace the AA pick(s). Spend the remaining cash on 3C. With another good year in development this team will be well positioned. You could make an argument to trade a d to protect against expansion impact but if u do that and lose a dman all of the sudden the position of strength is gone.

  11. Lowetide says:

    slopitch:
    Such a weird time to be thinking of the draft and future with the playoffs just around the corner.

    I think you trade JP to replace the AA pick(s). Spend the remaining cash on 3C. With another good year in development this team will be well positioned. You could make an argument to trade a d to protect against expansion impact but if u do that and lose a dman all of the sudden the position of strength is gone.

    I agree. Get the picks back in a deal for JP, unless an ideal RH C or scoring winger option presents itself.

  12. ArmchairGM says:

    Oil2Oilers: Arizona.might use a vet LHD for $1.5M is real dollars.

    Arizona has a worse cap situation than Edmonton. Not a chance they’ll be able to absorb Russell’s $4M hit.

  13. Victoria Oil says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    It is excellent that we will likely get a few more games to evaluate Athanasiou, fully healthy and after a mini training camp.

    As the summer off season is being pushed to a fall off season I have upped my 3 things for Holland to rule the summer to 6 to rule the fall;

    1. Trade Puljujarvi + Chiason to Ottawa for the last of there 3 first round picks.

    2. Trade Benning + found money 3d to Toronto for Kapanen

    3. Draft Seth Jarvis

    4. Draft Justin Barron

    5. Sign Bear to long term contract for medium money.

    6. Trade Russell for a bucket of pucks post bonus. Arizona.might use a vet LHD for $1.5M is real dollars.

    Oilers would end the off season with 2 excellent long term prospects and a talented age appropriate third line center.

    Could we trade Krusty for a bucket of pucks straight up? Or would we have to sweeten the pot by adding a couple of steak dinners? Or would we have to throw in a weekend at Jasper Park Lodge? Or a week in Hawaii?

  14. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    It is excellent that we will likely get a few more games to evaluate Athanasiou, fully healthy and after a mini training camp.

    As the summer off season is being pushed to a fall off season I have upped my 3 things for Holland to rule the summer to 6 to rule the fall;

    1. Trade Puljujarvi + Chiason to Ottawa for the last of there 3 first round picks.

    2. Trade Benning + found money 3d to Toronto for Kapanen

    3. Draft Seth Jarvis

    4. Draft Justin Barron

    5. Sign Bear to long term contract for medium money.

    6. Trade Russell for a bucket of pucks post bonus. Arizona.might use a vet LHD for $1.5M is real dollars.

    Oilers would end the off season with 2 excellent long term prospects and a talented age appropriate third line center.

    Who that you’ve listed there is a 3C? Kapanen has only ever been a W in North America.

  15. who says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    It is excellent that we will likely get a few more games to evaluate Athanasiou, fully healthy and after a mini training camp.

    As the summer off season is being pushed to a fall off season I have upped my 3 things for Holland to rule the summer to 6 to rule the fall;

    1. Trade Puljujarvi + Chiason to Ottawa for the last of there 3 first round picks.

    2. Trade Benning + found money 3d to Toronto for Kapanen

    3. Draft Seth Jarvis

    4. Draft Justin Barron

    5. Sign Bear to long term contract for medium money.

    6. Trade Russell for a bucket of pucks post bonus. Arizona.might use a vet LHD for $1.5M is real dollars.

    Oilers would end the off season with 2 excellent long term prospects and a talented age appropriate third line center.

    Two questions.
    Who is your age appropriate 3rd line center?
    Do you really believe Benning and a 3rd rounder gets you Kapanen?

  16. Harpers Hair says:

    who: Two questions.
    Who is your age appropriate 3rd line center?
    Do you really believe Benning and a 3rd rounder gets you Kapanen?

    And why would Ottawa trade a first round pick for two right wingers when they already have:

    Bobby Ryan
    Colin White
    Connor Brown
    Drake Batherson
    Rudolfs Balcers

  17. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Oilers farmhand Josh Currie’s small window of opportunity involves a recall for the playoffs, plus a combination of Toby Petersen-Mark Arcobello level cosmic tumbler clicks

    https://theathletic.com/1847131/2020/05/31/lowetide-oilers-farmhand-josh-curries-small-window-of-opportunity/

  18. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide:
    New for The Athletic: Oilers farmhand Josh Currie’s small window of opportunity involves a recall for the playoffs, plus a combination of Toby Petersen-Mark Arcobello level cosmic tumbler clicks

    https://theathletic.com/1847131/2020/05/31/lowetide-oilers-farmhand-josh-curries-small-window-of-opportunity/

    Given the case you laid out there I’m surprised he hasn’t been given more of an opportunity in the NHL.

    Is there something holding him back?

  19. Lowetide says:

    Harpers Hair: Given the case you laid out there I’m surprised he hasn’t been given more of an opportunity in the NHL.

    Is there something holding him back?

    Don’t know. I know he was very noticeable in a good way during the NHL look and that it was 21 games and that’s more than a few.

  20. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: And why would Ottawa trade a first round pick for two right wingers when they already have:

    Bobby Ryan
    Colin White
    Connor Brown
    Drake Batherson
    Rudolfs Balcers

    Well White plays C and Balcers is a LW to start with.

  21. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide: Don’t know. I know he was very noticeable in a good way during the NHL look and that it was 21 games and that’s more than a few.

    An almost identical career path to Alex Burrows although Currie is a better goal scorer.

  22. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Harpers Hair: And why would Ottawa trade a first round pick for two right wingers when they already have:

    Bobby Ryan – not a regular, may be bought out
    Colin White – Plays Center
    Connor Brown – RW
    Drake Batherson – 23 NHL games, may not be quite ready
    Rudolfs Balcers – plays LW primarily, is he even an NHL player?

    See my comments above.

    JP and even AC can also play LW.

    Today Chiasson is a better player (not including White) than all but maybe Connor Brown on this list, but Chiasson has scored 4 more goals than Brown in the last 3 seasons in fewer games and much fewer minutes. AC scored 42 goals in 199 games to 38 in 235 games. Brown scored 4 power play goals, 1 short-handed goal, while averaging 16:08 per game; Chiasson scored 15 ppg’s and 3 shg’s, playing 14:07 per game. That equates to 980 less minutes played in the last 3 seasons by Chiasson vs Brown. He might seem easy to dismiss, but Chiasson is a very useful player. A GM and coach will see him in this light, as well.

    I can see an easy path for JP as a 1st or 2nd line RW and AC as a 3rd line all-situations calming veteran presence RW who could slide up and down the roster as necessary.

  23. Reja says:

    €√¥£€^$: See my comments above.

    JP and even AC can also play LW.

    Today Chiasson is a better player than all but maybe Connor Brown on this list, but Chiasson has scored 4 more goals than Brown in the last 3 seasons in fewer games and much fewer minutes.AC scored 42 goals in 199 games to 38 in 235 games.Brown scored 4 power play goals, 1 short-handed goal, while averaging 16:08 per game; Chiasson scored 15 ppg’s and 3 shg’s, playing 14:07 per game.That equates to 980 less minutes played in the last 3 seasons by Chiasson vs Brown.He might seem easy to dismiss, but Chiasson is a very useful player.A GM and coach will see him in this light, as well.

    I can see an easy path for JP as a 1st or 2nd line RW and AC as a 3rd line all-situations calming veteran presence RW who could slide up and down the roster as necessary.

    After Connolly pulled out and took his talents to south bend Ken went with the well liked and useful Chase on a fair contract and of course this was a couple of weeks before the Lucic trade. I get a kick how half the posters on here have their panties in such a knot for 2.2 million play up and down the line-up professional.

  24. ArmchairGM says:

    Interesting comments vis-a-vis the upcoming series and some background on Athanasiou’s linemates:

    • The Chicago Blackhawks have been the worst defensive team in the league for two seasons in a row at least, and a big part of that is on their top players. Among all NHL players who have played 500 or more minutes this season, the ones who have been on the ice for the most slot passes against are Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane. Tough for your goalies to make a stop when they’re constantly moving around.

    • The line that’s been on the ice for the most inner-slot shots against this season is the Winnipeg Jets’ top line, they’re the only trio in the league giving up more than nine inner slot shots every 60 minutes at 5-vs-5.

    • The worst inner-slot shot differential belongs to neither of the aforementioned groups, though. That dishonour falls to Luke Glendening, whose Detroit Red Wings teammates see only 31.7 per cent of the inner slot shots go in their favour when he’s on the ice.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-draisaitl-vaulted-hart-trophy-race-mcdavids-absence/sn-amp/

  25. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Reja,

    He will definitely show his value come play-off time.

  26. Klima's_Bucket says:

    What’s the science of drafting goalies?

    They take a long time to develop and Edmonton has struggled to develop them.

    There are loads of free agent goalies every summer?

    Why not just sign guys from the bargain bin in the summer and hope they catch fire instead of firing blanks on them at the draft?

    This summer has:
    Dell, Brossoit, Elliott, Talbot, Smith, Khudobin, Greiss, Lehner, Markstrom, Crawford & Holtby available.

    Last Summer:
    Pickard, Kinkaid, Smith, Talbot, McIlhenny, Mrazek, Lehner, Varlamov, Bobrovsky

  27. Reja says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    Reja,

    He will definitely show his value come play-off time.

    Yeah he scored a big goal for the Caps when they won the cup from what I remember.

  28. Oil2Oilers says:

    jtblack: I can get behind something like this

    Who is found money 3D?

    Sorry I was unclear, the Neal compensation pick no longer going to Calgary.

  29. Oil2Oilers says:

    who: Two questions.
    Who is your age appropriate 3rd line center?
    Do you really believe Benning and a 3rd rounder gets you Kapanen?

    Toronto are desperate for Cap space and picks. They require puck moving RHD and value players with positive stats.

    I believe Kapanen can play 3C, if not he can swap with Nuge on the wing who is over qualified for the role. Either way the Oilers are covered.

  30. Oil2Oilers says:

    OriginalPouzar: With that said, I would like to ask what the waivers comment relates to? Is that simply because Bouch will be exempt from waivers and a guy like Lagesson will be subject thereto?

    Yes, it was Lagesson that I had in mind. But your larger point of the famed overripening of players by Ken Holland and how it may be a good thing for Bouchard it’s also a consideration.

  31. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yup.

    It some (many) cases, the argument can be made that its beneficial in the medium term for the ELC to not slide and to burn a year as that second contract will come a bit earlier and the player should be cheaper.

    3 years from not I presume and anticipate that Bouchard will be very expensive on his 2nd contract, however, with that said, 3 years of this player between $894K and $1.6M (depending on bonuses vested) should be a major value contract for the Oilers and could be a material part in a championship.

    3 years of ELC will also coincide with the end of Neal’s contract and all retained salary and buyout cap hits. There will effectively be zero bad money on the books and the teams key players locked up on value deals. I like the 3 years vs 2 for that reason.

  32. digger50 says:

    Reja: After Connolly pulled out and took his talents to south bend Ken went with the well liked and useful Chase on a fair contract and of course this was a couple of weeks before the Lucic trade. Iget a kick how half the posters on here havetheir panties in such a knot for 2.2 million play up and down the line-up professional.

    Half the posters on here are so lucky to have you around oh wise one.

  33. JimmyV1965 says:

    €√¥£€^$: See my comments above.

    JP and even AC can also play LW.

    Today Chiasson is a better player (not including White) than all but maybe Connor Brown on this list, but Chiasson has scored 4 more goals than Brown in the last 3 seasons in fewer games and much fewer minutes.AC scored 42 goals in 199 games to 38 in 235 games.Brown scored 4 power play goals, 1 short-handed goal, while averaging 16:08 per game; Chiasson scored 15 ppg’s and 3 shg’s, playing 14:07 per game.That equates to 980 less minutes played in the last 3 seasons by Chiasson vs Brown.He might seem easy to dismiss, but Chiasson is a very useful player.A GM and coach will see him in this light, as well.

    I can see an easy path for JP as a 1st or 2nd line RW and AC as a 3rd line all-situations calming veteran presence RW who could slide up and down the roster as necessary.

    This may all be true, but I still can’t see Ottawa giving up the 21 OV for JP and Chiasson. I’m sure they could get far better value with a first round draft pick. Coaches and GMs might maybe see Chiasson as a valuable addition, but they aren’t giving up valuable assets to get him. So the trade at best is JP for the 21 OV

  34. jtblack says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    What’s the science of drafting goalies?

    They take a long time to develop and Edmonton has struggled to develop them.

    There are loads of free agent goalies every summer?

    Why not just sign guys from the bargain bin in the summer and hope they catch fire instead of firing blanks on them at the draft?

    This summer has:
    Dell, Brossoit, Elliott, Talbot, Smith, Khudobin, Greiss, Lehner, Markstrom, Crawford & Holtby available.

    Last Summer:
    Pickard, Kinkaid, Smith, Talbot, McIlhenny, Mrazek, Lehner, Varlamov, Bobrovsky

    +100.

    You only Draft them to have them in your system …

    Outside of Price, who was drafted 15 yrs ago, there are very sure few things.

    MOST cup winning goalies are 3rd, 4th, 5th rounders.

    Also why I think Skinner may be the Goakie when Edm wins the Cup (2024)

  35. Harpers Hair says:

    €√¥£€^$: See my comments above.

    JP and even AC can also play LW.

    Today Chiasson is a better player (not including White) than all but maybe Connor Brown on this list, but Chiasson has scored 4 more goals than Brown in the last 3 seasons in fewer games and much fewer minutes.AC scored 42 goals in 199 games to 38 in 235 games.Brown scored 4 power play goals, 1 short-handed goal, while averaging 16:08 per game; Chiasson scored 15 ppg’s and 3 shg’s, playing 14:07 per game.That equates to 980 less minutes played in the last 3 seasons by Chiasson vs Brown.He might seem easy to dismiss, but Chiasson is a very useful player.A GM and coach will see him in this light, as well.

    I can see an easy path for JP as a 1st or 2nd line RW and AC as a 3rd line all-situations calming veteran presence RW who could slide up and down the roster as necessary.

    Bobby Ryan is a regular after going through the substance abuse program.

    Batherson was an AHL all star and is more ready than Jesse.

    Balcers plays both wings and was also an AHL all star.

    White will likely also get bumped to RW with the emergence of Josh Norris who was an AHL all star and rookie of the year.

    And, if Chiasson offers the extreme value you’re suggesting, why would the Oilers even consider trading him?

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    It is excellent that we will likely get a few more games to evaluate Athanasiou, fully healthy and after a mini training camp.

    As the summer off season is being pushed to a fall off season I have upped my 3 things for Holland to rule the summer to 6 to rule the fall;

    1. Trade Puljujarvi + Chiason to Ottawa for the last of there 3 first round picks.

    2. Trade Benning + found money 3d to Toronto for Kapanen

    3. Draft Seth Jarvis

    4. Draft Justin Barron

    5. Sign Bear to long term contract for medium money.

    6. Trade Russell for a bucket of pucks post bonus. Arizona.might use a vet LHD for $1.5M is real dollars.

    Oilers would end the off season with 2 excellent long term prospects and a talented age appropriate third line center.

    Curious – with Benning traded, what is your plan for his replacement? Sign Green? Sign (or acquire) another veteran? Slot Bouchard in and hope for no injuries on the right side?

    I would also love to sign Bear long term for medium money but I think that ship has sailed and, frankly, like the Nurse situation a few year’s back, I don’t think there will be cap space to do it. I think 1 X $2.15M (give or take) will be the Bear deal.

    Arizona was a cap team this past season – I know Hall comes off the books but they weren’t a team in need of big cap hit but low money outlay this past season. Their issue is scoring goals so I’m not sure they want to spend $4M of cap space on a depth d-man, even if he’s cheap cash-wise.

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Gone in Holland’s first season: Milan Lucic, Tobias Rieder, Kyle Brodziak, Tyler Vesel, Colin Larkin, Sam Gagner, Jesse Puljujarvi*, Ty Rattie, Andrej Sekera, Joel Persson, Robin Norell, Ryan Mantha. *JP didn’t sign but Edmonton retains his rights.

    20/20 hindsight is what we do best for sure but to think any management team thought virtually any of these players were going to contribute to a Championship hockey club is just bizarre. Frustrating really.

    Sam Gagner was acquired to get rid of Ryan Spooner – not sure why acquiring Gagner would be frustrating given the context.

    Drafting Puljujarvi – Frustrating?

    Rieder was a fine bet as a cheap UFA – didn’t work out but a small bet not working out isn’t really frustrating to me.

    Joel Persson – another small bet with no acquisition cost – didn’t work out but, again, just a small bet

    Signing Mantha after a beauty over-age season and the Rangers not being able to sign him – that was a solid bet and he was in the conversation with the likes of Bear and Jones prior to a freak eye issue ending his career.

    You provided a list of assets that didn’t work out vis-a-vis a championship team but I would presume that there are 30 other teams in the league with a similar list.

    I’m not trying to “nit pick” but I’m not sure why this would be frustrating?

    Signing Lucic – yes, that one was frustrating on the date of the signing.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    Brantford Boy: I’m not so sure about this… the coach sure seemed to like him, as did I… wish he could have scored but he played well otherwise… I think if we keep Khaira you keep Russell too…

    Not sure what keeping Kharia has to do with Russell?

    Khaira is signed for next year and P. Russell is a UFA.

    Russell definitely earned the trust of his coach but, at the same time, his role on the team and his spot in the lineup evaporated as the season went on. A fine year for the Dane but I think Holland will aim higher for this 13th/14th forward.

  39. Ryan says:

    Harpers Hair,

    What about Jace Hawryluk? He’s a RHC, but played RW according to Daily Faceoff.

    For being such a disaster, the Senators actually draft really well. It will be interesting to see what they do with their million draft picks.

  40. jp says:

    Reja: Yeah he scored a big goal for the Caps when they won the cup from what I remember.

    Not try to be negative about Chiasson but that was the only playoff goal he scored for the Caps and he’s scored 30-2-2-4 for his career.

  41. Harpers Hair says:

    JimmyV1965: This may all be true, but I still can’t see Ottawa giving up the 21 OV for JP and Chiasson. I’m sure they could get far better value with a first round draft pick. Coaches and GMs might maybe see Chiasson as a valuable addition, but they aren’t giving up valuable assets to get him. So the trade at best is JP for the 21 OV

    True.

    And I can see Ottawa using the 21 and a second round pick or two to move up in the first round and draft an impact player.

  42. Harpers Hair says:

    Ryan:
    Harpers Hair,

    What about Jace Hawryluk? He’s a RHC, but played RW according to Daily Faceoff.

    For being such a disaster, the Senators actually draft really well. It will be interesting to see what they do with their million draft picks.

    I’ve following Hawryluk for quite a while and despite not popping out of the gate, he has huge potential.

    Just as much as Jesse…without the attitude and meddling agent.

  43. jp says:

    Harpers Hair:

    Batherson was an AHL all star and is more ready than Jesse.

    Balcers plays both wings and was also an AHL all star.

    Batherson is the same age as Puljujarvi and was outscored by 11 goals at even strength in 23 games this season.

    Balcers is a year older than Puljujarvi.

    Your original point about Puljujarvi’s value to the Sens is valid, they have other options. Just not sure your valuation of the players is shared by anyone off Vancouver Island.

  44. Reja says:

    jp: Not try to be negative about Chiasson but that was the only playoff goal he scored for the Caps and he’s scored 30-2-2-4 for his career.

    Kevin McClelland might of arguably scored the biggest goal in the Oilers storied franchise.

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Arizona has a worse cap situation than Edmonton. Not a chance they’ll be able to absorb Russell’s $4M hit.

    Agreed – We read quite often the Rusty will be easily moveable to a team that needs to get to the cap floor or a cash poor team but, at the end of the day, there are very very few teams that aren’t limited by the cap ceiling – 2/3 of the teams this year were using LTIR overage relief or within a few hundred grand of the cap.

    I believe Florida’s owner has mandated salary cuts for next season so maybe they do a fire sale and someone like Rusty is of use to them – of course, his NTC could put the kibosh on a deal out east.

  46. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Batherson is the same age as Puljujarvi and was outscored by 11 goals at even strengthin 23 games this season.

    Balcers is a year older than Puljujarvi.

    Your original point about Puljujarvi’s value to the Sens is valid, they have other options. Just not sure your valuation of the players is shared by anyone off Vancouver Island.

    Jesse was playing in the the fifth or sixth best league in the world.

    Huge grain of salt.

  47. Reja says:

    digger50: Half the posters on here are so lucky to have you around oh wise one.

    Your only young once but you can be immature forever.

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    What’s the science of drafting goalies?

    They take a long time to develop and Edmonton has struggled to develop them.

    There are loads of free agent goalies every summer?

    Why not just sign guys from the bargain bin in the summer and hope they catch fire instead of firing blanks on them at the draft?

    This summer has:
    Dell, Brossoit, Elliott, Talbot, Smith, Khudobin, Greiss, Lehner, Markstrom, Crawford & Holtby available.

    Last Summer:
    Pickard, Kinkaid, Smith, Talbot, McIlhenny, Mrazek, Lehner, Varlamov, Bobrovsky

    Well, yes, however the organization does need to place goalies on their minor league teams.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Yeah he scored a big goal for the Caps when they won the cup from what I remember.

    He did score a goal – one of two points he had in 16 playoff games before riding the pine of the rest of the 3rd round and the finals.

    I do think he can bring some valuable experience to the Oilers for the playoffs but I wouldn’t be using his Caps’ playoff performance as an example of him being a playoff producer.

  50. pts2pndr says:

    Victoria Oil: Could we trade Krusty for a bucket of pucks straight up? Or would we have to sweeten the pot by adding a couple of steak dinners? Or would we have to throw in a weekend at Jasper Park Lodge? Or a week in Hawaii?

    If he has a good playoffs and given his price point/cap number not withstanding, he may be quite easy to move. If not, at the next trade deadline he will hold good value for any team needing some insurance at D. Though this is not ideal, it is at this point that his value will be highest.

  51. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: Jesse was playing in the the fifth or sixth best league in the world.

    Huge grain of salt.

    Canadians eat too much salt.

    A huge grain if salt is a bad idea. Posited to a Lowetidee.

    Therefore you don’t like Lowetide.

  52. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Larry Brooks on playoff teams signing “ringers”.

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/30/nhls-attempt-to-change-popular-rule-may-spark-restart-tension/

    If they don’t continue with the rule that’s a huge and unfair blow to the Wild. Kaprizov was ready to come over. If they don’t let him play he’s not coming next season either

  53. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Jesse was playing in the the fifth or sixth best league in the world.

    Huge grain of salt.

    Yes but he’s also played 139 games in the best league in the world. The large majority of them at a younger age than Batherson or Balcers.

  54. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Yes but he’s also played 139 games in the best league in the world. The large majority of them at a younger age than Batherson or Balcers.

    How did that turn out?

  55. Oil2Oilers says:

    OriginalPouzar: Curious – with Benning traded, what is your plan for his replacement? Sign Green? Sign (or acquire) another veteran? Slot Bouchard in and hope for no injuries on the right side?

    I love Benning as a player and consider it a sacrifice trading him. Yes, I assume the Oilers will resign Green on a one year contract. Having Bouchard as injury cover and them beating him out on quality of play, leading to them both being tested and ready for the playoffs next year. I wish Bergland was also in North America for extra cover.

  56. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: How did that turn out?

    I don’t know how it turns out, do you? Most of Puljujarvi’s story hasn’t been written.

    He’s the same age or younger than the players you’re comparing him to. He’s played 139 NHL games, all before he turned 21 and has a slightly negative GF% relative to his team. Then he had a good season in the 5th best league in the world.

    Batherson and Balcers played most/all of their games after turning 21 and both had sub 40% GF%. Both have worse GF% and GF% relative to team than Puljujarvi for their careers.

    You said Batherson is more ready than Jesse. What’s the evidence for that? (it seems you won’t claim the same for Balcers, which is fair)

  57. jp says:

    Reja: Kevin McClelland might of arguably scored the biggest goal in the Oilers storied franchise.

    Just saying that Chiasson doesn’t have any history for putting up points in his playoff career.

    FWIW Chiasson’s playoff PPG is 0.13, McLelland’s was 0.30.

  58. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: I don’t know how it turns out, do you? Most of Puljujarvi’s story hasn’t been written.

    He’s the same age or younger than the players you’re comparing him to. He’s played 139 NHL games, all before he turned 21 and has a slightly negative GF% relative to his team. Then he had a good season in the 5th best league in the world.

    Batherson and Balcers played most/all of their games after turning 21 and both had sub 40% GF%. Both have worse GF% and GF% relative to team than Puljujarvi for their careers.

    You said Batherson is more ready than Jesse. What’s the evidence for that? (it seems you won’t claim the same for Balcers, which is fair)

    https://dobberprospects.com/player/drake-batherson/

  59. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: https://dobberprospects.com/player/drake-batherson/

    So Doober rates Puljujarvi with the greater upside and Batherson as the greater certainty of being an NHLer. Sounds reasonable considering Puljujarvi played the season in Europe.

    https://dobberprospects.com/player/jesse-puljujarvi/

    Back to the original point, you asked why Ottawa would trade for Puljujarvi when they have Ryan, Brown, White, Batherson and Balcers.

    Only Ryan, Brown and Batherson are regular RWs. Batherson is a good prospect, Brown is a year from UFA and Ryan is a 33 year old boat anchor with personal issues. You think that’s a RW depth chart that wouldn’t welcome a 22 year old with high end potential?

  60. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: So Doober rates Puljujarvi with the greater upside and Batherson as the greater certainty of being an NHLer. Sounds reasonable considering Puljujarvi played the season in Europe.

    https://dobberprospects.com/player/jesse-puljujarvi/

    Back to the original point, you asked why Ottawa would trade for Puljujarvi when they have Ryan, Brown, White, Batherson and Balcers.

    Only Ryan, Brown and Batherson are regular RWs. Batherson is a good prospect, Brown is a year from UFA and Ryan is a 33 year old boat anchor with personal issues. You think that’s a RW depth chart that wouldn’t welcome a 22 year old with high end potential?

    They already have one…Batherson…who they drafted in the fourth round.

    Why would they spend a first round pick on a temperamental misfit with a meddling agent who is trending like Nail Yakupov.

    If anyone wants that pick I would suggest a young but established top 4D would be the starting asking price.

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    Puljujarvi will likely cost apx $1M and, from most accounts, seems highly likely to be able to step in to a 3rd line if not a middle six role in the NHL right away.

    Ottawa has some nice promising young talent that are approaching NHL readiness but they aren’t so full up with established NHL talent in their top and middle six that adding yet another wouldn’t be of great value to then – developed and at a cheap cap hit.

    Acquisition cost aside, I believe the Senators would be interested in the asset itself notwithstanding Bobby Ryan and Rudolfs Balcers

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: They already have one…Batherson…who they drafted in the fourth round.

    Why would they spend a first round pick on a temperamental misfit with a meddling agent who is trending like Nail Yakupov.

    If anyone wants that pick I would suggest a young but established top 4D would be the starting asking price.

    Rafferty isn’t available via trade though.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jeff Passan
    @JeffPassan

    The MLBPA delivered a proposal to MLB on Sunday afternoon, a source familiar with it tells ESPN. It includes 114-game season that would end October 31, the right to opt out of the season for all players and potential deferral of salaries if 2020 the postseason were canceled.For the players opting out: those who are considered “high-risk” would receive salary, whereas others would receive service time only.

    Further, players would receive $100 million total advance during the new spring training.

    Also: MLBPA proposes two years of playoff expansion.

    The inclusion of potential deferrals by players is an olive branch, even if it does apply just to a canceled postseason.

    It would defer $100M total, applied to players making $10M+ before proration, and would do so with interest to make players whole. It opens the door to more.

  64. Georges says:

    Here’s a more complete list of comps for AA.

    Forwards who scored between .45 and .55 Pts/GP by the end of their fifth season in the NHL and their fifth season has to be in 2010-11 or later. I’ve excluded players like AA who’ve just finished their 5th season in 19-20.

    Player, Pts/GP by 5th season, GP after 5th season, Pts/GP after 5th season

    Cam Atkinson, .55, 271, .75
    Derick Brassard, .55, 577, .58
    David Booth, .55, 227, .31
    Bryan Little, .55, 487, .67
    Rich Peverley, .55, 166, .54
    Ryan Spooner, .55, 111, .45
    Rickard Rakell, .55, 211, .73
    Teuvo Teravainen, .54, 150, .93
    Marcus Johansson, .54, 303, .59
    Mika Zibanejad, .54, 267, .87
    Jordan Staal, .54, 592, .57
    William Karlsson, .53, 63, .73
    Dave Bolland, .53, 212, .43
    Reilly Smith, .53, 292, .70
    Patrik Berglund, .53, 359, .38
    Sergei Kostitsyn, .52, 46, .33
    Tomas Hertl, .52, 125, .88
    Clarke MacArthur, .52, 262, .59
    Ryan Callahan, .51, 473, .51
    Frans Nielsen, .51, 659, .53
    Patrick O’Sullivan, .50, 23, .17
    Craig Smith, .50, 302, .49
    Steve Downie, .50, 162, .36
    Elias Lindholm, .50, 151, .87
    Michael Grabner, .50, 357, .38
    Charlie Coyle, .50, 217, .50
    Alexander Wennberg, .50, 57, .39
    Nikolay Kulemin, .50, 318, .31
    Mathieu Perreault, .50, 399, .53
    Jakob Silfverberg, .49, 216, .56
    Blake Comeau, .49, 607, .33
    Alex Killorn, .49, 232, .59
    Carl Soderberg, .49, 229, .53
    David Jones, .49, 223, .33
    Carl Hagelin, .49, 258, .38
    Curtis Glencross, .49, 216, .62
    Brandon Pirri, .49, 170, .41
    Tyler Kennedy, .48, 201, .29
    Phillip Danault, .48, 71, .66
    Mason Raymond, .48, 218, .44
    J.T. Miller, .47, 226, .78
    Wayne Simmonds, .47, 542, .60
    Brock Nelson, .47, 150, .71
    Boone Jenner, .47, 147, .42
    Ryan Strome, .47, 151, .62
    Matt Read, .47, 94, .22
    Colin Wilson, .47, 341, .44
    Kevin Fiala, .47, 64, .84
    Tanner Pearson, .46, 149, .48
    Nick Bjugstad, .46, 159, .48
    Cody Hodgson, .46, 39, .21
    Josh Anderson, .46, 26, .15
    Victor Rask, .46, 43, .30
    Ville Leino, .46, 58, .26
    Brayden Schenn, .45, 466, .74
    Martin Hanzal, .45, 321, .56
    Artem Anisimov, .45, 473, .51
    Bryan Rust, .45, 55, 1.02
    Vladislav Namestnikov, .45, 143, .43

    – 31 of the 59 forwards on this list (53%) went on to score .5 Pts/GP or better after their 5th season. Compare those odds with the 10% chance of finding a .5 Pts/GP forward with a second round pick. Two second round picks would give you a 19% chance of finding at least one forward like AA. A 19% chance of finding AA level scoring 2 or more years down the road or a 53% chance of finding AA level scoring for the next few seasons.

    – 71% of AA’s comp group went on to score .4 Pts/GP or better (solid 3rd line, low end 2nd line). About 14% of 2nd round forward picks between 2009 and 2016 have managed to do the same.

    – 80% went on to score .35 Pts/GP or better (better than median NHL forward). About 18% of 2nd round forward picks between 2009 and 2016 have managed to do the same.

    Trading 2 second round picks for AA is good business (very good business) for anyone who checks and values math. By the math, AA is a much better bet to fill the lineup needs of 2020 AND 2025 than 2 upcoming 2nd round picks. Even if the AA bet doesn’t work out, you have to make bets like this all day long if you’re serious about winning.

  65. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: They already have one…Batherson…who they drafted in the fourth round.

    Why would they spend a first round pick on a temperamental misfit with a meddling agent who is trending like Nail Yakupov.

    If anyone wants that pick I would suggest a young but established top 4D would be the starting asking price.

    Batherson and Ryan are the only RWs Ottawa has under control past next season. Yeah, why would they want another with top 6 potential?

    Ottawa may not want to pay that price for Puljujarvi. We’ll have to wait and see. I’m not sure who’s going to give them a young, established top 4 D for pick #21 though..

  66. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Georges:
    Here’s a more complete list of comps for AA.

    Forwards who scored between .45 and .55 Pts/GP by the end of their fifth season in the NHL and their fifth seasonhas to be in 2010-11 or later. I’ve excluded players like AA who’ve just finished their 5th season in 19-20.

    Player, Pts/GP by 5th season, GP after 5th season, Pts/GP after 5th season

    Cam Atkinson, .55, 271, .75
    Derick Brassard, .55, 577, .58
    David Booth, .55, 227, .31
    Bryan Little, .55, 487, .67
    Rich Peverley, .55, 166, .54
    Ryan Spooner, .55, 111, .45
    Rickard Rakell, .55, 211, .73
    Teuvo Teravainen, .54, 150, .93
    Marcus Johansson, .54, 303, .59
    Mika Zibanejad, .54, 267, .87
    Jordan Staal, .54, 592, .57
    William Karlsson, .53, 63, .73
    Dave Bolland, .53, 212, .43
    Reilly Smith, .53, 292, .70
    Patrik Berglund, .53, 359, .38
    Sergei Kostitsyn, .52, 46, .33
    Tomas Hertl, .52, 125, .88
    Clarke MacArthur, .52, 262, .59
    Ryan Callahan, .51, 473, .51
    Frans Nielsen, .51, 659, .53
    Patrick O’Sullivan, .50, 23, .17
    Craig Smith, .50, 302, .49
    Steve Downie, .50, 162, .36
    Elias Lindholm, .50, 151, .87
    Michael Grabner, .50, 357, .38
    Charlie Coyle, .50, 217, .50
    Alexander Wennberg, .50, 57, .39
    Nikolay Kulemin, .50, 318, .31
    Mathieu Perreault, .50, 399, .53
    Jakob Silfverberg, .49, 216, .56
    Blake Comeau, .49, 607, .33
    Alex Killorn, .49, 232, .59
    Carl Soderberg, .49, 229, .53
    David Jones, .49, 223, .33
    Carl Hagelin, .49, 258, .38
    Curtis Glencross, .49, 216, .62
    Brandon Pirri, .49, 170, .41
    Tyler Kennedy, .48, 201, .29
    Phillip Danault, .48, 71, .66
    Mason Raymond, .48, 218, .44
    J.T. Miller, .47, 226, .78
    Wayne Simmonds, .47, 542, .60
    Brock Nelson, .47, 150, .71
    Boone Jenner, .47, 147, .42
    Ryan Strome, .47, 151, .62
    Matt Read, .47, 94, .22
    Colin Wilson, .47, 341, .44
    Kevin Fiala, .47, 64, .84
    Tanner Pearson, .46, 149, .48
    Nick Bjugstad, .46, 159, .48
    Cody Hodgson, .46, 39, .21
    Josh Anderson, .46, 26, .15
    Victor Rask, .46, 43, .30
    Ville Leino, .46, 58, .26
    Brayden Schenn, .45, 466, .74
    Martin Hanzal, .45, 321, .56
    Artem Anisimov, .45, 473, .51
    Bryan Rust, .45, 55, 1.02
    Vladislav Namestnikov, .45, 143, .43

    – 31 of the 59 forwards on this list (53%) went on to score .5 Pts/GP or better after their 5th season. Compare those odds with the 10% chance of finding a .5 Pts/GP forward with a second round pick. Two second round picks would give you a 19% chance of finding at least one forward like AA. A 19% chance of finding AA level scoring 2 or more years down the road or a 53% chance of finding AA level scoring for the next few seasons.

    – 71% of AA’s comp group went on to score .4 Pts/GP or better (solid 3rd line, low end 2nd line). About 14% of 2nd round forward picks between 2009 and 2016 have managed to do the same.

    – 80% went on to score .35 Pts/GP or better (better than median NHL forward). About 18% of 2nd round forward picks between 2009 and 2016 have managed to do the same.

    Trading 2 second round picks for AA is good business (very good business) for anyone who checks and values math. By the math, AA is a much better bet to fill the lineup needs of 2020 AND 2025 than 2 upcoming 2nd round picks. Even if the AA bet doesn’t work out, you have to make bets like this all day long if you’re serious about winning.

    No team has found success that lead to a cup or perennial contention by only one of of the 3 methods of acquiring players- draft, free agency, trade.

    It’s always a combination, some using one more than other teams did.

    Essentially this speaks to good management, limiting draft fails, developing well, good cap management and retaining equity in trades.

    The Oilers were poorly managed for years overall and we’ve seen the results. Holland has done more in a year building the team than anyone since Sather. Yes he inherited significant players, but the point is he knew where to improve and didn’t shoot his feet off making deals.

    Hopefully he keeps building .

  67. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Harpers Hair: Bobby Ryan is a regular after going through the substance abuse program.

    Batherson was an AHL all star and is more ready than Jesse.

    Balcers plays both wings and was also an AHL all star.

    White will likely also get bumped to RW with the emergence ofJosh Norris who was an AHL all star and rookie of the year.

    And, if Chiasson offers the extreme value you’re suggesting, why would the Oilers even consider trading him?

    Not sure where you get “extreme” value, but most definitely value.

    Ryan barely played this season before he had his issues, from what I understand his troubles started after he was healthy scratched for several weeks. He is a player I follow closely, the coach does not value him. He was only given ice time when he returned because the team was terrible and they had few options. Ryan’s career could be over, if teams are allowed CBO’s, if not he will likely be bought out….

    White-Norris? That is purely 100% pulled-out-from-your-ass speculation. Maybe they both play at C, maybe Norris is not an NHL C, it’s way too soon to say. Besides, you clearly know nothing about this team.

    Last year Benson, who is still younger than Batherson was also an AHL Allstar, if he had a better supporting cast, he would have made it again. What is your point?

    Balcers played in the Allstar game this season, just like Benson and Bouchard did, but is not on an AHL Allstar Team like Batherson.

    C’mon Trolly Trollerson keep on bringing the weak sauce. Yawn….

  68. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Rafferty isn’t available via trade though.

    He would be for a first round pick.

  69. Harpers Hair says:

    €√¥£€^$: Not sure where you get “extreme” value, but most definitely value.

    Ryan barely played this season before he had his issues, from what I understand his troubles started after he was healthy scratched for several weeks.He is a player I follow closely, the coach does not value him.He was only given ice time when he returned because the team was terrible and they had few options.Ryan’s career could be over, if teams are allowed CBO’s, if not he will likely be bought out….

    White-Norris?That is purely 100% pulled-out-from-your-ass speculation.Maybe they both play at C, maybe Norris is not an NHL C, it’s way too soon to say.Besides, you clearly know nothing about this team.

    Last year Benson, who is still younger than Batherson was also an AHL Allstar, if he had a better supporting cast, he would have made it again.What is your point?

    Balcers played in the Allstar game this season, just like Benson and Bouchard did, but is not on an AHL Allstar Team like Batherson.

    C’mon Trolly Trollerson keep on bringing the weak sauce.Yawn….

    Alex Chaisson is on his fifth NHL team.

    It would seem four NHL General Managers value him far less than you do.

    But what do they know?

    As for your denigration of Norris and your personal attack I’ll just leave this here for you:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/josh-norris-tops-prospects-list-senators-system/

  70. who says:

    Oil2Oilers: Toronto are desperate for Cap space and picks. They require puck moving RHD and value players with positive stats.

    I believe Kapanen can play 3C, if not he can swap with Nuge on the wing who is over qualified for the role. Either way the Oilers are covered.

    Don’t ever see Toronto making that trade.
    Or Kapanen playing center.
    Your point about Nuge is valid though.

  71. oilersfan says:

    jp,

    And Bobby Ryan is 36 and a bad player
    And Connor Brown is a 3rd line winger

  72. JimmyV1965 says:

    Georges:
    Here’s a more complete list of comps for AA.

    Forwards who scored between .45 and .55 Pts/GP by the end of their fifth season in the NHL and their fifth seasonhas to be in 2010-11 or later. I’ve excluded players like AA who’ve just finished their 5th season in 19-20.

    Player, Pts/GP by 5th season, GP after 5th season, Pts/GP after 5th season

    Cam Atkinson, .55, 271, .75
    Derick Brassard, .55, 577, .58
    David Booth, .55, 227, .31
    Bryan Little, .55, 487, .67
    Rich Peverley, .55, 166, .54
    Ryan Spooner, .55, 111, .45
    Rickard Rakell, .55, 211, .73
    Teuvo Teravainen, .54, 150, .93
    Marcus Johansson, .54, 303, .59
    Mika Zibanejad, .54, 267, .87
    Jordan Staal, .54, 592, .57
    William Karlsson, .53, 63, .73
    Dave Bolland, .53, 212, .43
    Reilly Smith, .53, 292, .70
    Patrik Berglund, .53, 359, .38
    Sergei Kostitsyn, .52, 46, .33
    Tomas Hertl, .52, 125, .88
    Clarke MacArthur, .52, 262, .59
    Ryan Callahan, .51, 473, .51
    Frans Nielsen, .51, 659, .53
    Patrick O’Sullivan, .50, 23, .17
    Craig Smith, .50, 302, .49
    Steve Downie, .50, 162, .36
    Elias Lindholm, .50, 151, .87
    Michael Grabner, .50, 357, .38
    Charlie Coyle, .50, 217, .50
    Alexander Wennberg, .50, 57, .39
    Nikolay Kulemin, .50, 318, .31
    Mathieu Perreault, .50, 399, .53
    Jakob Silfverberg, .49, 216, .56
    Blake Comeau, .49, 607, .33
    Alex Killorn, .49, 232, .59
    Carl Soderberg, .49, 229, .53
    David Jones, .49, 223, .33
    Carl Hagelin, .49, 258, .38
    Curtis Glencross, .49, 216, .62
    Brandon Pirri, .49, 170, .41
    Tyler Kennedy, .48, 201, .29
    Phillip Danault, .48, 71, .66
    Mason Raymond, .48, 218, .44
    J.T. Miller, .47, 226, .78
    Wayne Simmonds, .47, 542, .60
    Brock Nelson, .47, 150, .71
    Boone Jenner, .47, 147, .42
    Ryan Strome, .47, 151, .62
    Matt Read, .47, 94, .22
    Colin Wilson, .47, 341, .44
    Kevin Fiala, .47, 64, .84
    Tanner Pearson, .46, 149, .48
    Nick Bjugstad, .46, 159, .48
    Cody Hodgson, .46, 39, .21
    Josh Anderson, .46, 26, .15
    Victor Rask, .46, 43, .30
    Ville Leino, .46, 58, .26
    Brayden Schenn, .45, 466, .74
    Martin Hanzal, .45, 321, .56
    Artem Anisimov, .45, 473, .51
    Bryan Rust, .45, 55, 1.02
    Vladislav Namestnikov, .45, 143, .43

    – 31 of the 59 forwards on this list (53%) went on to score .5 Pts/GP or better after their 5th season. Compare those odds with the 10% chance of finding a .5 Pts/GP forward with a second round pick. Two second round picks would give you a 19% chance of finding at least one forward like AA. A 19% chance of finding AA level scoring 2 or more years down the road or a 53% chance of finding AA level scoring for the next few seasons.

    – 71% of AA’s comp group went on to score .4 Pts/GP or better (solid 3rd line, low end 2nd line). About 14% of 2nd round forward picks between 2009 and 2016 have managed to do the same.

    – 80% went on to score .35 Pts/GP or better (better than median NHL forward). About 18% of 2nd round forward picks between 2009 and 2016 have managed to do the same.

    Trading 2 second round picks for AA is good business (very good business) for anyone who checks and values math. By the math, AA is a much better bet to fill the lineup needs of 2020 AND 2025 than 2 upcoming 2nd round picks. Even if the AA bet doesn’t work out, you have to make bets like this all day long if you’re serious about winning.

    Nice post

  73. JimmyV1965 says:

    jp: Batherson and Ryan are the only RWs Ottawa has under control past next season. Yeah, why would they want another with top 6 potential?

    Ottawa may not want to pay that price for Puljujarvi. We’ll have to wait and see. I’m not sure who’s going to give them a young, established top 4 D for pick #21 though..

    Ya. I would like to know some names of the young top 4 dmen being traded for 21 OV. I guess Bear would fit into that group, but I wouldn’t trade him. Why develop a young dman for three or four years and then trade him just as he reaches the NHL?

  74. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Rafferty isn’t available via trade though.

    What part of “young”, “established” and “top-4” don’t you get?

    😉

  75. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Harpers Hair: Alex Chaisson is on his fifth NHL team.

    It would seem four NHL General Managers value him far less than you do.

    But what do they know?

    As for your denigration of Norris and your personal attack I’ll just leave this here for you:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/josh-norris-tops-prospects-list-senators-system/

    Chiasson turned a PTO into a contract, that is not something 85% of PTOs can say, and an even smaller percentage can say they turned that opportunity into more than $4,000,000.00.

    Ken Holland signed him to that contract, but what does he know?

    Denigration of Josh Norris? Hardly. Maybe he makes the team next year, but even if does, why does that make Colin White a Right Winger, even if Josh Norris appears to be much better on the dot in a very small sample size. I don’t deny his potential, I know the player fairly well. Just your line of argument makes little sense.

    I believe you are making shit up to stir the pot and I am calling you on it. If that is a personal attack, then I don’t what “a personal attack” means.

  76. hunter1909 says:

    @ harpers hair

    Checking the forecast comparison between Victoria B.C. and Cannes a place you compared Victoria to:

    Victoria 15/9 light Rain

    Cannes 24/16 Sunny

    Yes it really compares well to the Cote D’Zur, Victoria B.C. lol

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: What part of “young”, “established” and “top-4” don’t you get?

    I’ve been told he is a better prospect than Bouchard so he must be “young” and I’ve been told he’s a can’t miss 2nd pairing guy next year.

    Just going by the inside intel I’m privy to…..

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