Three People Who Have Never Been In My Kitchen

If we were tasked with identifying this year’s Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones and Kailer Yamamoto, who would they be? If the definition of the players was “most likely to play a feature role or perform well enough as a depth player to project into a more substantial job moving forward” who in the system would you name?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, check it out here.

THE CANDIDATES

LW Tyler Benson. He’s going to get a chance this season, may not be opening night. It’s clear Marody was very helpful offensively during Benson’s rookie year, and I think we can assume Benson will begin his career in the bottom-six (and might stay there). He will be a value deal next season, that’s a key to his being on the roster.

RHD Evan Bouchard. The positives (great passing, vision, he’s a savant getting the puck to the net on the power play) outweigh the downside (average NHL skater). He improved a great deal defensively during the season and is NHL-ready. We don’t know if he’s Ken Holland NHL-ready, or if the Oilers are being overly cautious with a prospect. In fairness to us, it’s been a long time since Edmonton has been accused of it.

LD William Lagesson. He’s an effective defenseman and has proven it over more than one season. He doesn’t look like a successful NHL defenseman when he skates and he doesn’t outlet pass brilliantly, but he gets the job done. I think he’s wildly underrated by Oilers fans.

RC Cooper Marody. He has a lot of what Edmonton needs, he’s a righty center with passing skill and creativity. He isn’t a burner but I remember him as being a capable skater. Marody’s injury during the 2019 playoffs began a downbeat 12 months and it’s anyone’s guess what he’ll be next season.

LC Ryan McLeod. He’s an absolute bullet, but scoring is going to be an issue, or at least that’s the suspicion. I thought he posted better than expected numbers, and wonder if he’ll be a strong contender for a center job during training camp 2020.

PROSPECT TRACKING

I don’t publish these anymore, but still run them as a way to check progress. Since I’m emptying the chamber this summer as we await games or the draft, thought I would post it. It’s a way to establish the point where players have trade value (Oilers could get now a significant return for Caleb Jones, as an example) and to identify a stall (Paigin) or a truly meandering career that deserves monitoring (Svoboda). Let’s do 2019.

This is actually a fantastic set of levels for draft plus one. Broberg and Konovalov are in good leagues playing a lot, the goalie has been the top option for two years now. Lavoie is about to make a major transition, the Year 2 slot will be more important for him than anyone on the list. Blumel, Mazura and Denezhkin are also in photo at this time, we wait for a spike.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN 1260, it’s a big day for the Lowdown. Brilliant NHL player and HHOFer Paul Coffey joins the show to talk about Kevin Lowe getting the call yesterday. Matthew Trueblood from Baseball Prospectus will tell us about the MLB season to come and the Covid-19 positives. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. DBO says:

    The Jeopardy Cheers episode is one of the best. So good.

    Next year are we over thinking the re-signings? Could it not all be from internal based on existing contracts (signed or RFA)? So no Ennis, no Sheahan (as good as they may be) ue to reduced or stagnant salary cap due to covid?

    Athanasiou – McDavid- Kassian
    Nuge – Draisatl – Yamamoto
    Neal – Khaira – Archibald
    Benson – Marody – Chiasson
    Haas – Nygard

    That is our signed or RFA lineup. What is the glaring hole? Is it still the elusive 3C? Do we need to buy out Neal?

  2. Brantford Boy says:

    LT: “most likely to play a feature role or perform well enough as a depth player to project into a more substantial job moving forward” who in the system would you name?”

    Most likely? Bouchard… hands down…

    This is hilarious, “its a little known fact” that twice in the past week I’ve had someone mention that Cheers Jeopardy episode…

  3. ArmchairGM says:

    I have a feeling we’re going to see more of McLeod next season than any other prospect not named Bouchard. A flat cap / no CBO situation is going to preclude an outside solution to 3C and therefore demand more from the system sooner, and I think McLeod gets the nod over Marody due to skating ability.

  4. Elgin R says:

    ArmchairGM,

    If Sheahan wants $2+ x 2 as speculated then I think he is gone. Woodcroft has been developing Mcleod to be the future 3C/4C in a PK role. I can absolutely see Mcleod on the team as one of bottom 6 centers. Not to start as both JJ and Hass are signed for one more year but callup due to injury, poor performance or a trade. I do not see a spot for Marody until the 2021 / 2022 season – although I like what he brought prior to the lost year due to injury. Maybe Marody suprises in camp.

  5. defmn says:

    Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    ·
    2h
    Kevin Lowe was “the adult in the room,” said Mark Messier. “The Edmonton Oilers are not what they became without Kevin Lowe.”
    Six Cups, seven All Star games — one heart and soul D-man goes into the HHOF.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Pagnotta:

    Told no decisions yet on NHL hub cities as of this morning, but Toronto’s latest push coupled with Vancouver’s internal testing/protocols concerns, may result in Toronto coming out ahead. I’m told NHL has calls scheduled with both cities today.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    If we were tasked with identifying this year’s Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones and Kailer Yamamoto, who would they be? If the definition of the players was “most likely to play a feature role or perform well enough as a depth player to project into a more substantial job moving forward” who in the system would you name?

    ————-

    Evan Bouchard, William Lagesson, Tyler Benson

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think Laggeson’s outlet passing and puck moving is under-rated.

    He consistently produces offensively 5 on 5 at the AHL level and that is partially a function of his ability to get the puck back and get it up the ice.

    I think the next step for Willie will have the NHL game slow down for him a bit and he will be able to show that he can play today’s NHL game.

    If Kris Russell is indeed moved, Willie will get a string of NHL games, injuries will happen, and I believe he will prove he’s an NHL player when playing nightly.

  9. meanashell11 says:

    So Nevada is getting hit hard by Covid 19. Mandatory masks when outside. This cannot help their chances. Same with LA, California rates are spiking again.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lavoie is a key prospect for this team and, damn, I really hope there is a place for him to play in October – January.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pierre LeBrun
    @PierreVLeBrun
    With the Vancouver Hub city bid having hit a setback in talks with provisional health authorities, sources confirm the NHL has commenced more detailed conversations with the Edmonton and Toronto bids to see where that goes. Vancouver isn’t totally out, but the focus shifted

    Depending on where those talks go with Edmonton and Toronto, LA and Chicago remain on standbye if it turns out the NHL can’t put a Hub city in Canada to go along with Vegas. But the hope is still to have a Hub city in Canada if possible. And meanwhile, time is of the essence!

  12. Eh Team says:

    Elgin R: f Sheahan wants $2+ x 2 as speculated then I think he is gone. Woodcroft has been developing Mcleod to be the future 3C/4C in a PK role. I can absolutely see Mcleod on the team as one of bottom 6 centers

    There is going to be a huge drag on salaries for non-core players and a lot of players on the market. Players like Sheahan are going to be lucky to get contracts. There is no reason to be paying them much more than the league minimum and to give them more than a one year deal.

    Also, seems like there is a strong possibility that there will be no AHL year (or at least there will be no fans). The virus is probably worse than ever in the USA and more widespread now than at its’s NYC peak. Perhaps hockey will be like baseball with teams carry a taxi squad.

    McLeod is an interesting prospect but he ideally would play a full year in the AHL in a more featured role before being considered as an NHL option. But these are different times.

  13. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Pagnotta:

    Told no decisions yet on NHL hub cities as of this morning, but Toronto’s latest push coupled with Vancouver’s internal testing/protocols concerns, may result in Toronto coming out ahead. I’m told NHL has calls scheduled with both cities today.

    To tell them they’ve been passed over in favour of Edmonton? 😉

  14. McNuge93 says:

    DBO,

    Yes, I think the weakness is 3C. The thing KH did well last year was sign a number of veteran bottom six players, whcih I think needs to be done again. Not all will work out (i.e. Granlund, Jurko) but as long as a couple do and we are not gifting spots to our young prospects. So, I would prefer a resigning of Ennis and Sheahan if reasonable or similar type players.

  15. Silver Streak says:

    McLeod was scouted and drafted to become our 3C. He will never score 25 goals. His value is measured as a 200 foot player who is dependable in our end, fill a strong checking role, kill penalties,
    all this with speed and size. He should be in our lineup next season…..whenever that comes.

  16. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    So with talk about a CBA extension, what is on everyone’s wishlist?

    Olympics is a no-brainer, but next on the list I’m hoping for an MLB-esque arbitration process. It’d be nice to bring some sanity to the positions held by each side.

  17. Darth Tu says:

    McNuge93:
    DBO,

    Yes, I think the weakness is 3C. The thing KH did well last year was sign a number of veteran bottom six players, whcih I think needs to be done again. Not all will work out (i.e. Granlund, Jurko) but as long as a couple do and we are not gifting spots to our young prospects. So, I would prefer a resigning of Ennis and Sheahan if reasonable or similar type players.

    On Jurco, he only didn’t work out due to injuries. I’m not entirely convinced he isn’t re signed on a league minimum contract. He’s at least a tweener guy that can help out in Bakersfield and provide injury cover in the NHL.

  18. defmn says:

    Eh Team: There is going to be a huge drag on salaries for non-core players and a lot of players on the market. Players like Sheahan are going to be lucky to get contracts.There is no reason to be paying them much more than the league minimum and to give them more than a one year deal.

    Also, seems like there is a strong possibility that there will be no AHL year (or at least there will be no fans).The virus is probably worse than ever in the USA and more widespread now than at its’s NYC peak.Perhaps hockey will be like baseball with teams carry a taxi squad.

    McLeod is an interesting prospect but he ideally would play a full year in the AHL in a more featured role before being considered as an NHL option.But these are different times.

    I read this here from time to time and I understand the rationale but is it really true?

    This current season there were 202 players in the NHL who played a minimum of 30 games with cap hits of $1M or less according to CapFriendly. That is pretty close to 7 players per team or your fourth line, your PB guys and one of your bottom pairing dmen.

    If you add in the fact that most teams have at least one contract that keeps their GM awake at nights trying to figure out how to trade it you are getting pretty close to the 12 player core that drives most winning teams – the guys you need to pay.

    Not to mention, of course, that in a closed system like the NHL there are 31 GM’s looking for that sliver of competitive edge that will put them into the elite percentage of the league – or just keep themselves from being fired.

    If the guy you really want needs $1.8M to sign him but you can get a guy who might work for $1M who do you choose? I think that answer is different for every team depending on all sorts of other factors including how much you need to win that year.

  19. Eh Team says:

    defmn: If the guy you really want needs $1.8M to sign him but you can get a guy who might work for $1M who do you choose? I think that answer is different for every team depending on all sorts of other factors including how much you need to win that year.

    Yeah, but it doesn’t matter what a guy “needs”. It only matters what gets offered. In a flat cap world, these are the guys who are going to get squeezed. And the cap is likely to be flat for awhile.

  20. fries n gravy says:

    Oilers think Lagesson is ready now. “Ideally he’s paired with a plus skater,” Mr. Oil scout told me.

    Oilers would like to have room for him on the 3rd pair. Alternatively, if they can’t do that, a young inexpensive competent D is a valuable trade piece. It isn’t that they want to trade him, but you don’t leave a guy like Lagers in the press box or waivers.

  21. fries n gravy says:

    Klefbom (+) Larsson
    Nurse (+) Bouchard (next year) / Green (this year)
    Lagesson Jones (+)
    Krusty

    This lineup:
    – has a plus skater on each pair
    – has Bouchard too high next year
    – has Krusty under-employed, but as a versatile D he can fill in almost anywhere as needed

    I like Green a lot, but I don’t see room for him next season (assuming Krusty’s $4m is untradeable.)

  22. defmn says:

    Eh Team: Yeah, but it doesn’t matter what a guy “needs”.It only matters what gets offered.In a flat cap world, these are the guys who are going to get squeezed.And the cap is likely to be flat for awhile.

    The point of my post was that they have already been squeezed. There is not much squeeze left.

  23. ArmchairGM says:

    fries n gravy:
    Klefbom (+)Larsson
    Nurse (+) Bouchard (next year) / Green (this year)
    Lagesson Jones (+)
    Krusty

    This lineup:
    – has a plus skater on each pair
    – has Bouchard too high next year
    – has Krusty under-employed, but as a versatile D he can fill in almost anywhere as needed

    I like Green a lot, but I don’t see room for him next season (assuming Krusty’s $4m is untradeable.)

    Bear?

  24. defmn says:

    fries n gravy:
    Klefbom (+)Larsson
    Nurse (+) Bouchard (next year) / Green (this year)
    Lagesson Jones (+)
    Krusty

    This lineup:
    – has a plus skater on each pair
    – has Bouchard too high next year
    – has Krusty under-employed, but as a versatile D he can fill in almost anywhere as needed

    I like Green a lot, but I don’t see room for him next season (assuming Krusty’s $4m is untradeable.)

    Bear?

  25. Elgin R says:

    till_horcoff_is_coach,

    A revised salary arbitration is one change I would support. Both sides go in with a number, present their case and the arbitrator picks one of the numbers. As you said this would cut down on the outrageous ask of some agents.

  26. godot10 says:

    NHL games in CHAZ in a few years will be interesting when the Edmonton Oilers play the CHAZ Antifa in Climate Pledge Arena.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    jeffbezos
    Verified
    I’m excited to announce that Amazon has bought the naming rights to the historic Seattle arena previously known as KeyArena. Instead of calling it Amazon Arena, we’re naming it Climate Pledge Arena as a regular reminder of the urgent need for climate action. It will be the first net zero carbon certified arena in the world, generate zero waste from operations and events, and use reclaimed rainwater in the ice system to create the greenest ice in the NHL. #ClimatePledge
    28m

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CB3gnA5H-K_/?igshid=6re0oux0gxha

    David Pagnotta
    @TheFourthPeriod
    SEA CEO Leiweke: “We have a responsibility to future generations to try to leave them with a better world. We love that Amazon is using its naming rights for a cause we care deeply about—this partnership is a visionary step for the facilities business & sport & music industries

  28. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    jeffbezos
    Verified
    I’m excited to announce that Amazon has bought the naming rights to the historic Seattle arena previously known as KeyArena. Instead of calling it Amazon Arena, we’re naming it Climate Pledge Arena as a regular reminder of the urgent need for climate action. It will be the first net zero carbon certified arena in the world, generate zero waste from operations and events, and use reclaimed rainwater in the ice system to create the greenest ice in the NHL. #ClimatePledge
    28m

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CB3gnA5H-K_/?igshid=6re0oux0gxha

    David Pagnotta
    @TheFourthPeriod
    SEA CEO Leiweke: “We have a responsibility to future generations to try to leave them with a better world. We love that Amazon is using its naming rights for a cause we care deeply about—this partnership is a visionary step for the facilities business & sport & music industries

    Nice sentiment Amazon. Now if you could go on to look out for your employees.

  29. Dac189 says:

    Gonna have to go with Jones, Bouchard and Puljujarvi.
    No way I expected Bear and Yamamoto to have as successful years as they had.

    Amazon arena would have been a nice name. More because of the rainforest than the company.
    Better than Rogers place.
    I guess it’s a nice thing for climate change?

  30. Eh Team says:

    defmn: The point of my post was that they have already been squeezed. There is not much squeeze left.

    But there is. Sheahan is a 4th line centre. The price for that is what they are paying Haas, which is the essentially the minimum. You won”t see guys like Khaira (another 4th line player) getting 1.2m anymore either.

  31. godot10 says:

    Dac189:
    Gonna have to go with Jones, Bouchard and Puljujarvi.
    No way I expected Bear and Yamamoto to have as successful years as they had.

    Amazon arena would have been a nice name. More because of the rainforest than the company.
    Better than Rogers place.
    I guess it’s a nice thing for climate change?

    A donation to the Hanford nuclear site cleanup would have actually done more than virtue signal.

  32. ArmchairGM says:

    Happy birthday Phillip Broberg!

  33. defmn says:

    Eh Team: But there is.Sheahan is a 4th line centre.The price for that is what they are paying Haas, which is the essentially the minimum.You won”t see guys like Khaira (another 4th line player) getting 1.2m anymore either.

    Sheahan makes $900,000. There is not much to squeeze. Khaira signed his contract when it looked like he was ready to take a step.

    GM’s don’t get everything exactly right but you are ignoring that there are 30 other teams who are in different positions of competitiveness.

    It is fine for a GM to think a player should sign for $700,000 but if there is another GM who will give him $900,000 then the GM has to decide if he wants that player or a lesser player. It is a competition not only between player and GM but between GM’s.

    Most of the squeezing has been done.

  34. leadfarmer says:

    godot10:
    NHL games in CHAZ in a few years will be interesting when the Edmonton Oilers play the CHAZ Antifa in Climate Pledge Arena.

    Hope it will be a refuge for orphaned penguins in between games

  35. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I have the feeling the hub city process is simply to appear to have given ‘a fair chance’ but it was a already decided as long as the faves could appear to pull it off.

    Am I cynical about the NHL after years of Oiler fandom? Probably.

  36. Lowetide says:

    Via Jason Gregor: Broberg and Rodrique will be coming to Edmonton for training camp. #Oilers

  37. defmn says:

    Lowetide:
    Via Jason Gregor: Broberg and Rodrique will be coming to Edmonton for training camp. #Oilers

    Excellent news.

  38. defmn says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I have the feeling the hub city process is simply to appear to have given ‘a fair chance’ but it was a already decided as long as the faves could appear to pull it off.

    Am I cynical about the NHL after years of Oiler fandom? Probably.

    It is government and corporate standard procedure.

    Governments do this all the time with hiring, consultant reports and public consultations.

    I have seen it with my own eyes from the inside on any number of occasions. The conclusion precedes the process.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Confirmed that Broberg and Rodrigue will be coming for training camp.

    Not sure if that means they will continue in to stage 4.

  40. Darth Tu says:

    Lowetide:
    Via Jason Gregor: Broberg and Rodrique will be coming to Edmonton for training camp. #Oilers

    Huzzah! I hope they both knock it out of the park. Fill that prospect pipeline with solid (or liquid I guess) gold.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per ESPN:

    The NBA shared with players they will use local, state and federal law enforcement, plus former special operations forces, to secure the bubble in Orlando, league sources told ESPN.

  42. Eh Team says:

    defmn: Sheahan makes $900,000. There is not much to squeeze. Khaira signed his contract when it looked like he was ready to take a step.

    Fair enough. For some reason I assumed Sheahan was making more. Perhaps he’s asking for an Archibald level contract. Not sure why Archibald got $1.5m, presumably recency bias, based on a couple good months. Thinking more of guys like him and Chiasson at $2.1m.

  43. digger50 says:

    Predictions:

    This years Bear? Bear showed promise in 18(?) NHL games then disappeared for a season in the AHL. He was then listed on many trade scenarios, before he emerged as a player after the rookie swede was injured.

    For 2020 I think its Cooper Marody

    This years Jones? Jones showed up for a very brief NHL stint then sat on backburner as Ethan Bear got established. He finally got the chance to shine.

    The 2020 Jones is William Laggeson

    This years Yamamoto? After a couple of false starts where he just wasn’t ready and his potential was questioned, he shows up to stay.

    For 2020 it is Jessie Puljujarvi

    How about another one? Cinderella story out of nowhere Patrick Russel makes the team. How about Josh Currie for the longshot? Actually if McLeod makes the team it would almost be out of nowhere, certainly not expected.

    I do admit Benson is higher on the whiteboard as it written today. And Bouchard is blocked.

  44. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per ESPN:

    The NBA shared with players they will use local, state and federal law enforcement, plus former special operations forces, to secure the bubble in Orlando, league sources told ESPN.

    ~ NBA players can do an adopt a cop program. Great reality TV ~

  45. Reja says:

    leadfarmer: Hope it will be a refuge for orphaned penguins in between games

    Why are you disrespecting Pittsburgh?

  46. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Its like he thinks esrow is a tax put in by the owners

  47. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Interesting statement by Panarin:

    https://twitter.com/nyp_brooksie/status/1276238486048301056?s=21

    The players and especially himself must of took a big hit on a paycheque for him to be whining publicly

  48. SwedishPoster says:

    Cooper Marody could have a real shot at being a Bear next season since there’s both ability and opportunity(3C). But that shot depends on two pretty major IFs, he must have put whatever lingering injury issues he had this season behind him and he needs to get a bit quicker his first couple of steps. If that happens I think he could surprise a lot of people, he’s a smart player with hands and vision. I have a lot of time for those. If you could merge him with McLeod you’d have one heck of a player. Do we have the technology?

    Great to see Broberg getting some time with the team, he’s a kid who seems like he will learn a lot from being around top players.
    He is also the type of guy who I think, after a week or two with the team, could look very NHL ready in an NHL environment and I’m glad we a)have the calm and experienced duo of Holland and Tippett at the helm and b) enough D depth to not feel any need to push any youngling into action, because the combo of Broberg’s elite skating, already mature defensive game, pro experience and extreme coachability could give a more desperate, less experienced GM and/or head coach a real itchy trigger finger to “get him into some games and see if he can help the team” and that wouldn’t be beneficial for Broberg at all nor the team since he still has things to work on before being truly ready. Especially if the end goal is a top pairing D which it certainly should be.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    DBO:
    The Jeopardy Cheers episode is one of the best. So good.

    Next year are we overthinking the re-signings? Could it not all be from internal based on existing contracts (signed or RFA)? So no Ennis, no Sheahan (as good as they may be) ue to reduced or stagnant salary cap due to covid?

    Athanasiou – McDavid- Kassian
    Nuge – Draisatl – Yamamoto
    Neal – Khaira – Archibald
    Benson – Marody – Chiasson
    Haas – Nygard

    That is our signed or RFA lineup. What is the glaring hole? Is it still the elusive 3C? Do we need to buy out Neal?

    Glaring hole is pretty obvious and its at the 3C position.

    Form months and months we’ve known that needs to be the primary off-season acquisition but, of course, there simply may not be any cap space for it.

    The premise is to dispose of Russell and use that cap space for 3C (i.e. Soderberg) but that disposal may not be easy or do-able for cap savings.

    At the very least, I hope Holland can pull off a Rusty for B. Sutter type swap but we may not be able to upgrade externally at all this off-season.

    That’s with Bear coming in on a very cheap bridge at $2M or less.

  50. hunter1909 says:

    I see mean uncle Kevin Lowe enters the Hall of fame as a New York Ranger

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lots wonder why Vegas is at the top of the list if the league truly cares about health as the primary concern.

    Its been speculated for a while that Vegas’ bid indicates they can provide the “tightest bubble” of them all.

    Listening to Briak Burke today and he essentially confirmed the speculation and indicated that Vegas’ bubble would include the hotel staff – they wouldn’t be going home every night and coming back but they’d be part of the quarantine.

    Now, I’m sure all the bids have some level of staff being included but its more pronounced in Vegas with their volume of hotel availability and, well, frankly, their bubbles are essentially high end resorts with tons to do – easier to “convince” the staff to live there for a while.

    Of course, none of the bubbles will be 100% air tight – I mean delivery trucks, etc. – there will be some level of contact with outside society but all these bubbles should be pretty darn tight – they have to be.

  52. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: essentially confirmed the speculation

    Would prefer literally confirmed. I assume all sites with have some embedded and some non-embedded. Details and follow through will matter especially in Vegas with way more covid to track in.

    Enjoy the summer safely everyone. There are only 38 cases AB hospitals now, but 3 of those in Edmonton are under age 30 with no underlying conditions.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    I have a feeling we’re going to see more of McLeod next season than any other prospect not named Bouchard. A flat cap / no CBO situation is going to preclude an outside solution to 3C and therefore demand more from the system sooner, and I think McLeod gets the nod over Marody due to skating ability.

    Filling the 3C hole may very well be an issue but I wouldn’t imagine the scenario above plays out – just based off of regular development time for non elite prospects, Holland’s general course of developing prospects and, well, frankly, McLeod isn’t close to ready for a 3C position in the NHL.

    Yes, he could “pop” I guess but he wasn’t even a full-time 3C at the AHL level – he’s a solid prospect and could very well be that 3C of the future – if developed properly – I don’t see Holland not marinating this guy – he’s only very lightly marinated as at mid-March.

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    There we go – confirmed the vote will be the entire player union (not just the execs and not just involving the 24 teams) and, importantly, will include CBA extension matters:

    The full NHL Players Association membership will vote on a comprehensive Return to Play proposal that would include a collective bargaining agreement extension as well as coronavirus-related protocols for training camp (Phase 3) and the projected summer Stanley Cup tournament (Phase 4) once ongoing negotiations between the league and the union conclude.

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/entire-union-will-vote-on-nhl-return-to-play-package-cba-extension/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per the Larry Brooks article above, the cap may come in around $83M for the next few years.

    A bit higher than the “flat cap” speculated.

    That extra $1.5M could go a long ways…..

  56. John Chambers says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Pierre LeBrun
    @PierreVLeBrun
    With the Vancouver Hub city bid having hit a setback in talks with provisional health authorities, sources confirm the NHL has commenced more detailed conversations with the Edmonton and Toronto bids to see where that goes. Vancouver isn’t totally out, but the focus shifted

    Depending on where those talks go with Edmonton and Toronto, LA and Chicago remain on standbye if it turns out the NHL can’t put a Hub city in Canada to go along with Vegas. But the hope is still to have a Hub city in Canada if possible. And meanwhile, time is of the essence!

    I think the preference at this point should be for Edmonton / Vancouver based on case count.

    I imagine BC’s Health Ministry is being less flexible with things like quarantine timelines and the NHL is putting it out to the media to force them to compromise.

  57. John Chambers says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per the Larry Brooks article above, the cap may come in around $83M for the next few years.

    A bit higher than the “flat cap” speculated.

    That extra $1.5M could go a long ways…..

    A compliance buyout would do Ken Holland wonders

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eh Team: There is going to be a huge drag on salaries for non-core players and a lot of players on the market. Players like Sheahan are going to be lucky to get contracts.There is no reason to be paying them much more than the league minimum and to give them more than a one year deal.

    Also, seems like there is a strong possibility that there will be no AHL year (or at least there will be no fans).The virus is probably worse than ever in the USA and more widespread now than at its’s NYC peak.Perhaps hockey will be like baseball with teams carry a taxi squad.

    McLeod is an interesting prospect but he ideally would play a full year in the AHL in a more featured role before being considered as an NHL option.But these are different times.

    I don’t think the AHL starts until the NHL starts – which I don’t think will happen until there are fans permitted in the stands.

    Man it would truly be a shame if the AHL can’t go at all next season – McLeod, Lavoie, Maksimov, Kuffner, Niemelanan, etc. – they need to be playing.

  59. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    Listening to Briak Burke today and he essentially confirmed the speculation and indicated that Vegas’ bubble would include the hotel staff – they wouldn’t be going home every night and coming back but they’d be part of the quarantine.

    Now, I’m sure all the bids have some level of staff being included but its more pronounced in Vegas with their volume of hotel availability and, well, frankly, their bubbles are essentially high end resorts with tons to do – easier to “convince” the staff to live there for a while.

    And those poor folks must be desperate for some income. Lots of support workers relying on those hotels that I expect will be easy to convince (completely aside from how exceptional the amenities/activities will be in the Vegas bubble).

  60. geowal says:

    godot10:
    NHL games in CHAZ in a few years will be interesting when the Edmonton Oilers play the CHAZ Antifa in Climate Pledge Arena.

    Never would I have ever guessed that was the actual name of the arena if it wasn’t for OPs post below. Or it’s April Fools Day and I didn’t notice.
    I’ve also heard nothing about CHAZ other than your posts..when Inhave to search it out….truly bizarre.

  61. SlickOil says:

    Random comment: I support 2 sports teams in life. Liverpool just won the English title for the first time in 30 years (1989-90). Is it destiny that my other team also wins their corresponding title for the first time in 30 years!

  62. N64 says:

    John Chambers: I think the preference at this point should be for Edmonton / Vancouver based on case count.

    I imagine BC’s Health Ministry is being less flexible with things like quarantine timelines and the NHL is putting it out to the media to force them to compromise.

    Expecting MGM and the CNE now.

  63. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Glaring hole is pretty obvious and its at the 3C position.
    Form months and months we’ve known that needs to be the primary off-season acquisition but, of course, there simply may not be any cap space for it.
    The premise is to dispose of Russell and use that cap space for 3C (i.e. Soderberg) but that disposal may not be easy or do-able for cap savings.
    At the very least, I hope Holland can pull off a Rusty for B. Sutter type swap but we may not be able to upgrade externally at all this off-season.
    That’s with Bear coming in on a very cheap bridge at $2M or less.

    OriginalPouzar: As per the Larry Brooks article above, the cap may come in around $83M for the next few years.
    A bit higher than the “flat cap” speculated.
    That extra $1.5M could go a long ways…..

    An extra $1.5M would go a long way for sure.

    But if things break right a 3C could be added with just a Russell trade. Was just looking at this again this afternoon (below is with s $81.5M cap, so $83 would give more breathing room.

    The IFs:
    Bear bridge at $2.25M X 2
    Green or Benning at $2M X 2
    Athanasiou at $3M X 1
    Lagesson as 7D at $800k
    Puljujarvi for Georgiev
    Georgiev as 1B goalie at $1.5M (it could be another G for that price)

    The above, plus the guys already signed, leaves $3M to sign a 3C (Soderberg?) plus about $800k as a cushion. Again, this is with a $81.5M cap so $83 would leave a little more (maybe an Ennis signing?). Just an illustration of one plausible way this could work of course.

    The team in the above scenario:

    Athanasiou-McDavid-Kassian
    Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Neal-Soderberg-Chiasson
    Nygard-Khaira-Archibald
    Benson-Haas

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Jones-Green (or Benning)
    Lagesson (Bouchard may force something here too)

    Koskinen-Georgiev

    I’m not sure why we shouldn’t remain optimistic about adding a legit 3C this off season….

  64. Pescador says:

    SlickOil:
    Random comment: I support 2 sports teams in life. Liverpool just won the English title for the first time in 30 years (1989-90). Is it destiny that my other team also wins their corresponding title for the first time in 30 years!

    I support this comment,
    Time to rename the grandstand:
    ‘The Klopp’

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    Silver Streak:
    McLeod was scouted and drafted to become our3C. He will never score 25 goals. His value is measured as a 200 foot player who is dependable in our end, fill a strong checking role, kill penalties,
    all this with speed and size. He should be in our lineup next season…..whenever that comes.

    I agree with most of this except for being in the NHL lineup next season.

    He had a solid development season in his first year pro but may I ask what makes you think he’s ready for the NHL and 3C except for the fact that the Oilers have a hole at the position he is hoped to develop to fill?

    He wasn’t even a full time 3C in the AHL – I’m not sure why we would expect him to fill that position at the NHL level.

    For me, he needs to be a full-time center in the AHL, not just a 3C in the AHL but a top 6 AHL center before there is a realistic chance he could be ready for 3C at the NHL level.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    till_horcoff_is_coach:
    So with talk about a CBA extension, what is on everyone’s wishlist?

    Olympics is a no-brainer, but next on the list I’m hoping for an MLB-esque arbitration process.It’d be nice to bring some sanity to the positions held by each side.

    Capping percent of contracts that can be paid via signing bonus and/or change the inability to buy out a signing bonus portion for savings.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu: On Jurco, he only didn’t work out due to injuries. I’m not entirely convinced he isn’t re signed on a league minimum contract. He’s at least a tweener guy that can help out in Bakersfield and provide injury cover in the NHL.

    I agree that he very well might be brought back but I can’t agree that injuries were the only reason he didn’t work out.

    He was assigned to the AHL when the injuries hit – he was playing well down there and may have earned a re-call if he stayed healthy but the re-assignment pre-dated the injuries.

    He’s got top 6 skill level but there is something that holds him back – he’s pushing 30 and hasn’t been able to hold an NHL position despite being skilled.

    I think he is healthy now and will be on the Oilers post-season roster.

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    fries n gravy:
    Oilers think Lagesson is ready now. “Ideally he’s paired with a plus skater,” Mr. Oil scout told me.

    Oilers would like to have room for him on the 3rd pair. Alternatively, if they can’t do that, a young inexpensive competent D is a valuable trade piece.It isn’t that they want to trade him, but you don’t leave a guy like Lagers in the press box or waivers.

    Ideally Rusty is dealt and Lagesson is on the roster as 4LD/7D with Bouchard in the Bake waiting for the call-up. I believe he will prove to be an every day 3LD if given that chance and, well, injuries happen and he will get that chance (and there will be no Manning to block him).

    I would be hesitant to expose him to waivers but lets not forget there are very good names that clear waivers on the eve of the season each and every year – recall the names that weren’t claimed last season.

    I would anticipate Willie would clear (although would be very nervous).

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    fries n gravy:
    Klefbom (+)Larsson
    Nurse (+) Bouchard (next year) / Green (this year)
    Lagesson Jones (+)
    Krusty

    This lineup:
    – has a plus skater on each pair
    – has Bouchard too high next year
    – has Krusty under-employed, but as a versatile D he can fill in almost anywhere as needed

    I like Green a lot, but I don’t see room for him next season (assuming Krusty’s $4m is untradeable.)

    Ethan Bear……..

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Happy birthday Phillip Broberg!

    Amazing to think that he just turned 19 – not 20, 19.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    Predictions:

    This years Bear? Bear showed promise in 18(?) NHL games then disappeared for a season in the AHL. He was then listed on many trade scenarios, before he emerged as a player after the rookie swede was injured.

    For 2020 I think its Cooper Marody

    This years Jones?Jones showed up for a very brief NHL stint then sat on backburner as Ethan Bear got established. He finally got the chance to shine.

    The 2020 Jones is William Laggeson

    This years Yamamoto? After a couple of false starts where he just wasn’t ready and his potential was questioned, he shows up to stay.

    For 2020 it is Jessie Puljujarvi

    How about another one? Cinderella story out of nowhere Patrick Russel makes the team. How about Josh Currie for the longshot? Actually if McLeod makes the team it would almost be out of nowhere, certainly not expected.

    I do admit Benson is higher on the whiteboard as it written today. And Bouchard is blocked.

    Bear showed promise in that year but showed that he needed considerable more time – he got that time, changes his priorities and developed massively in that period – what a great story.

    Marody is a solid choice – from his own accounts, he is finally feeling 100% health – I don’t think he was right at any point last season. Big bounce back season is required by the player to put himself back on the map.

    I would throw Kuffner in there as a dark-horse – hopefully he sees this as a “fresh start” to his pro career and can get back some of that goal-scoring swagger he had at Princeton.

    Jesse, of course, if he’s in the damn league. Interesting that he hasn’t spoken to Karpat regarding a contract. It could be see as an intent to come back to the NHL or it could be seen as an interest in the KHL which has teams courting him. Of course, a KHL signing would preclude him coming back to the NHL. Best case scenario is to re-sign in Karpat, get playing in the fall and then come on over when training camp starts (with his QO signed and contract in hand).

  72. defmn says:

    jp:
    An extra $1.5M would go a long way for sure.

    But if things break right a 3C could be added with just a Russell trade. Was just looking at this again this afternoon (below is with s $81.5M cap, so $83 would give more breathing room.

    The IFs:
    Bear bridge at $2.25M X 2
    Green or Benning at $2M X 2
    Athanasiou at $3M X 1
    Lagesson as 7D at $800k
    Puljujarvi for Georgiev
    Georgiev as 1B goalie at $1.5M (it could be another G for that price)

    The above, plus the guys already signed, leaves $3M to sign a 3C (Soderberg?) plus about $800k as a cushion. Again, this is with a $81.5M cap so $83 would leave a little more (maybe an Ennis signing?). Just an illustration of one plausible way this could work of course.

    The team in the above scenario:

    Athanasiou-McDavid-Kassian
    Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Neal-Soderberg-Chiasson
    Nygard-Khaira-Archibald
    Benson-Haas

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Jones-Green (or Benning)
    Lagesson (Bouchard may force something here too)

    Koskinen-Georgiev

    I’m not sure why we shouldn’t remain optimistic about adding a legit 3C this off season….

    Using your lineup and signing prognostications the cap hit without a 3C would come in at $76,909,498.

    That leaves room for a 3C and some wiggle room in helping to move Russell if necessary so very doable.

    EDIT: This includes an estimated $1M overage payment for bonuses this year.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Cooper Marody could have a real shot at being a Bear next season since there’s both ability and opportunity(3C). But that shot depends on two pretty major IFs, he must have put whatever lingering injury issues he had this season behind him and he needs to get a bit quicker his first couple of steps. If that happens I think he could surprise a lot of people, he’s a smart player with hands and vision. I have a lot of time for those. If you could merge him with McLeod you’d have one heck of a player. Do we have the technology?

    Great to see Broberg getting some time with the team, he’s a kid who seems like he will learn a lot from being around top players.
    He is also the type of guy who I think, after a week or two with the team, could look very NHL ready in an NHL environment and I’m glad we a)have the calm and experienced duo of Holland and Tippett at the helm and b) enough D depth to not feel any need to push any youngling into action, because the combo of Broberg’s elite skating, already mature defensive game, pro experience and extreme coachability could give a more desperate, less experienced GM and/or head coach a real itchy trigger finger to “get him into some games and see if he can help the team” and that wouldn’t be beneficial for Broberg at all nor the team since he still has things to work on before being truly ready. Especially if the end goal is a top pairing D which it certainly should be.

    On Marody – from the player himself, he’s finally 100%. Unfortunately, I’m not so confident he’ll check off box 2. Coming in to camp last year, he was express that he didn’t overtly work on his skating as, while he knows its not his strong point, its “never held him back”. I don’t have the feeling his attitude has changed on the matter.

    I know he’s been working on lots of music, as he posts about it all the time. I don’t know if he’s been working on his skating because, well, he doesn’t post about it.

    Here is hoping I’m wrong.

    ———-

    On Broberg, i don’t imagine, no matter how he looks in practice, that he’ll get a niff of a game – I mean, if Playfair/Tip decide they need to put in their 6LD/11D, well, I just can’t see it.

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    John Chambers: I think the preference at this point should be for Edmonton / Vancouver based on case count.

    I imagine BC’s Health Ministry is being less flexible with things like quarantine timelines and the NHL is putting it out to the media to force them to compromise.

    The BC health authorities and the league have a “difference in opinion” on the level of positive tests that would require a pause/shutdown – from accounts.

  75. godot10 says:

    Vancouver is out.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    John Chambers: A compliance buyout would do Ken Holland wonders

    Can’t imagine they will be provided for.

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    An extra $1.5M would go a long way for sure.

    But if things break right a 3C could be added with just a Russell trade. Was just looking at this again this afternoon (below is with s $81.5M cap, so $83 would give more breathing room.

    The IFs:
    Bear bridge at $2.25M X 2
    Green or Benning at $2M X 2
    Athanasiou at $3M X 1
    Lagesson as 7D at $800k
    Puljujarvi for Georgiev
    Georgiev as 1B goalie at $1.5M (it could be another G for that price)

    The above, plus the guys already signed, leaves $3M to sign a 3C (Soderberg?) plus about $800k as a cushion. Again, this is with a $81.5M cap so $83 would leave a little more (maybe an Ennis signing?). Just an illustration of one plausible way this could work of course.

    The team in the above scenario:

    Athanasiou-McDavid-Kassian
    Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Neal-Soderberg-Chiasson
    Nygard-Khaira-Archibald
    Benson-Haas

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Jones-Green (or Benning)
    Lagesson (Bouchard may force something here too)

    Koskinen-Georgiev

    I’m not sure why we shouldn’t remain optimistic about adding a legit 3C this off season….

    Solid – don’t forget, we may have a bonus overage penalty to take in to account.

  78. defmn says:

    A little draft conversation on twitter between Staples and Sean Ryan.

    ============================

    David Staples
    @dstaples
    Who are the top ranked players this year you would stay away from? @TheOilKnight

    Sean Patrick Ryan
    Ice hockey stick and puck
    Shamrock
    @TheOilKnight
    ·
    10m
    Replying to
    @dstaples
    Some of that depends on who’s still on the board but,

    I would not draft:
    Perfetti Top 10
    Gunler Top 20
    Lundell in Top 31
    Poirier in Top 62

    Mavrik Bourque & Jacob Perreault make me nervous. Dylan Holloway is a complete wildcard for me too.

  79. Reja says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Cooper Marody could have a real shot at being a Bear next season since there’s both ability and opportunity(3C). But that shot depends on two pretty major IFs, he must have put whatever lingering injury issues he had this season behind him and he needs to get a bit quicker his first couple of steps. If that happens I think he could surprise a lot of people, he’s a smart player with hands and vision. I have a lot of time for those. If you could merge him with McLeod you’d have one heck of a player. Do we have the technology?

    Great to see Broberg getting some time with the team, he’s a kid who seems like he will learn a lot from being around top players.
    He is also the type of guy who I think, after a week or two with the team, could look very NHL ready in an NHL environment and I’m glad we a)have the calm and experienced duo of Holland and Tippett at the helm and b) enough D depth to not feel any need to push any youngling into action, because the combo of Broberg’s elite skating, already mature defensive game, pro experience and extreme coachability could give a more desperate, less experienced GM and/or head coach a real itchy trigger finger to “get him into some games and see if he can help the team” and that wouldn’t be beneficial for Broberg at all nor the team since he still has things to work on before being truly ready. Especially if the end goal is a top pairing D which it certainly should be.

    I to say Cooper if healthy surprises many folks I’m unsure of his face-off percentage if it’s over 50 it will be very important skill needed at various times. it’s a make or break year in my opinion for the kid to get established. I might be in left field but what minimal viewing I’ve seen of Broberg when he puts his mind to it and rushes the puck up the ice is he reminds me of The Big Bird Larry in his rookie year raw as hell arms frailing in all directions but speed and skill coming out his ass. I can’t wait to see what the D-man whisper Manson can do with this kid.

  80. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think he is healthy now and will be on the Oilers post-season roster.

    Has there been any word on Jurco re: the playoff roster? Beyond fan speculation I mean?

    It would be great if he’s healthy and included on the roster. I’d definitely welcome him back next season as a tweener/depth option as well.

  81. jp says:

    digger50:
    Predictions:

    This years Bear? Bear showed promise in 18(?) NHL games then disappeared for a season in the AHL. He was then listed on many trade scenarios, before he emerged as a player after the rookie swede was injured.

    For 2020 I think its Cooper Marody
    This years Jones? Jones showed up for a very brief NHL stint then sat on backburner as Ethan Bear got established. He finally got the chance to shine.

    The 2020 Jones is William Laggeson
    This years Yamamoto? After a couple of false starts where he just wasn’t ready and his potential was questioned, he shows up to stay.

    For 2020 it is Jessie Puljujarvi
    How about another one? Cinderella story out of nowhere Patrick Russel makes the team. How about Josh Currie for the longshot? Actually if McLeod makes the team it would almost be out of nowhere, certainly not expected.

    I do admit Benson is higher on the whiteboard as it written today. And Bouchard is blocked.

    Nice post btw.

  82. jp says:

    defmn: Using your lineup and signing prognostications the cap hit without a 3C would come in at $76,909,498.

    That leaves room for a 3C and some wiggle room in helping to move Russell if necessary so very doable.

    EDIT: This includes an estimated $1M overage payment for bonuses this year.

    Hmmm. I used Capfriendly/Armchair GM and got 790k left over after signing Soderberg to $3M (on an $81.5M cap). That would be ~$77,700,000 spent without 3C, and not including your $1M bonus overage.

    Not sure the difference but in either case Holland’s main task (in our opinion!) is doable.

  83. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Solid – don’t forget, we may have a bonus overage penalty to take in to account.

    Yes definitely a possibility/likelihood.

    That extra $1.5M of cap would definitely come in handy. A Neal buyout is still a possibility too (it’s a lot of money to carry for 6 years, but well.. $5.75M is a LOT to carry for the next 3…).

  84. Harpers Hair says:

    Iain MacIntyre (@imacSportsnet) Tweeted:
    Dr. Bonnie Henry on NHL looking elsewhere for hub city: “We are doing very well. We have a good balance. But under no circumstances was I going to compromise in any way the health of people here in British Columbia, and we made that very clear.”

  85. jp says:

    defmn:
    A little draft conversation on twitter between Staples and Sean Ryan.

    ============================

    David Staples
    @dstaples
    Who are the top ranked players this year you would stay away from? @TheOilKnight

    Sean Patrick Ryan
    Ice hockey stick and puck
    Shamrock
    @TheOilKnight
    ·
    10m
    Replying to
    @dstaples
    Some of that depends on who’s still on the board but,

    I would not draft:
    Perfetti Top 10
    Gunler Top 20
    Lundell in Top 31
    Poirier in Top 62

    Mavrik Bourque & Jacob Perreault make me nervous. Dylan Holloway is a complete wildcard for me too.

    Just to be 100% clear, Bourque/Perreault/Holloway is part of the tweet as well?

    Ryan doesn’t like a lot of LTs favourites it seems.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn:
    A little draft conversation on twitter between Staples and Sean Ryan.

    ============================

    David Staples
    @dstaples
    Who are the top ranked players this year you would stay away from? @TheOilKnight

    Sean Patrick Ryan
    Ice hockey stick and puck
    Shamrock
    @TheOilKnight
    ·
    10m
    Replying to
    @dstaples
    Some of that depends on who’s still on the board but,

    I would not draft:
    Perfetti Top 10
    Gunler Top 20
    Lundell in Top 31
    Poirier in Top 62

    Mavrik Bourque & Jacob Perreault make me nervous. Dylan Holloway is a complete wildcard for me too.

    Ya, I saw that.

    SPR has a pretty darn good eye on these things, from what I’ve seen over the last few years – in particular the OHL but it seems to go farther than that.

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Some excerpts from Friedman’s piece – hope its not too much but the information is important.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-nhlpa-talks-cba-include-escrow-cap-salary-deferral-players/

    According to multiple sources, the potential agreement between the NHL and NHLPA caps escrow at 20 per cent for the 2020-21 season. Original guesstimates were escrow at 35 per cent if this year did not finish, 27-28 even if it did.

    But there is a second layer: a one-season-only 10 per cent salary deferral by every player. I’m told this is not a rollback. Players will be returned that money in the future. The benefit to them is the escrow on it would be lower.

    As part of the agreement, the salary cap will be kept close to the current $81.5 million for the next three seasons.

    There is potential for it to go up $1 million in 2022-23.

    But, over the past few weeks, there have been several emotional calls amongst NHLPA membership. It’s not easy, with so much unknown about the lasting effects of COVID-19. (The NHL and NHLPA are working on “opt-out” language for those who don’t want to play.) One team was leaning against returning until a passionate speech from one of its most respected players turned the tide. Several players (and some agents) have said they will never have more leverage than now, and should wield it.

    “I would tell you that I probably wouldn’t be comfortable voting at this particular time,” Carey Price told Montreal reporters on Thursday. “There’s still a lot of questions that need to be answered…The NHL and the NHLPA are trying to make the best of a very difficult situation. So, moving forward – and I’d like to play – we have a lot of questions that need to be answered and a lot of scenarios that need to be covered before I vote yea or nay.”

  88. defmn says:

    jp: Hmmm. I used Capfriendly/Armchair GM and got 790k left over after signing Soderberg to $3M (on an $81.5M cap).That would be ~$77,700,000 spent without 3C, and not including your $1M bonus overage.

    Not sure the difference but in either case Holland’s main task (in our opinion!) is doable.

    Yup. Doable. Maybe bonus discrepancy in our numbers.

  89. defmn says:

    jp: Just to be 100% clear, Bourque/Perreault/Holloway is part of the tweet as well?

    Ryan doesn’t like a lot of LTs favourites it seems.

    That’s how I read it. Just to be clear I don’t know enough about any of these guys to have an opinion of my own on them. The whole thing was from the tweet.

  90. jp says:

    defmn: That’s how I read it. Just to be clear I don’t know enough about any of these guys to have an opinion of my own on them. The whole thing was from the tweet.

    I was pretty sure it was all from the tweet but wanted to confirm. I don’t know much about the draft prospects either but those are definitely interesting takes.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    Smith accumulated $500K of bonuses for 35 games.

    He would get $250K for each of 40 and 45 games. Given he’s at 39 games, I’ve got to imagine the league awards him at least $250K and maybe even $500K (or somewhere in between) – plus potential playoff game bonuses.

  92. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: Yup. Doable. Maybe bonus discrepancy in our numbers.

    Do you think it’s likely Soderberg takes a 25% haircut on his next contract?

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Do you think it’s likely Soderberg takes a 25% haircut on his next contract?

    Yes, I think the soon to be 35 year old will be signing for less than $4.75M (and his $4M takehome this past year).

  94. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Do you think it’s likely Soderberg takes a 25% haircut on his next contract?

    $3M would be more than 25% actually, he makes $4.75M right now.

    You didn’t ask, but I do think it’s possible/likely given the flat cap and that he’ll turn 35 in October.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    Broberg will be landing in Edmonton on Sunday or Monday and will then quarantine (as per Nugent-Bowman via Holland).

  96. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: Do you think it’s likely Soderberg takes a 25% haircut on his next contract?

    I have no idea. I didn’t mention Soderberg. Just that there is enough budget to go shopping for a 3C if Russell can be moved and JP’s signing numbers are accurate or close – which I think they are.

    My own preference would be to pursue a younger option but we all know the cap is going to play a huge role in every decision every team has to make this off season.

    Until we get some clarity on the CBA negotiations going on regarding the cap and escrow etc. all predictions come with a big dose of conjecture I would think.

  97. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Bold prediction : Toronto & Edmonton will be hubs.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Today was supposed to be the draft but it will be lottery Part 1 (or 1 or 2).

    I think about a 55-60% chance a placeholder wins one of the three and I would love that.

    ———————

    Also, decent chance the hub cities will be announced if the players and the league can finalize (subject to official vote of Return to Play logistics).

    Big day!

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Bold prediction : Toronto & Edmonton will be hubs.

    Certainly possible.

    Costs in Canada are lower.

    Perception for health priority better in Canada (outside-bubble covid matters).

  100. ArmchairGM says:

    jp:
    An extra $1.5M would go a long way for sure.

    But if things break right a 3C could be added with just a Russell trade. Was just looking at this again this afternoon (below is with s $81.5M cap, so $83 would give more breathing room.

    The IFs:
    Bear bridge at $2.25M X 2
    Green or Benning at $2M X 2
    Athanasiou at $3M X 1
    Lagesson as 7D at $800k
    Puljujarvi for Georgiev
    Georgiev as 1B goalie at $1.5M (it could be another G for that price)

    The above, plus the guys already signed, leaves $3M to sign a 3C (Soderberg?) plus about $800k as a cushion. Again, this is with a $81.5M cap so $83 would leave a little more (maybe an Ennis signing?). Just an illustration of one plausible way this could work of course.

    The team in the above scenario:

    Athanasiou-McDavid-Kassian
    Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Neal-Soderberg-Chiasson
    Nygard-Khaira-Archibald
    Benson-Haas

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Jones-Green (or Benning)
    Lagesson (Bouchard may force something here too)

    Koskinen-Georgiev

    I’m not sure why we shouldn’t remain optimistic about adding a legit 3C this off season….

    Is a clean disposition of Russell realistic though? I would think we should expect something coming back.

  101. jp says:

    ArmchairGM: Is a clean disposition of Russell realistic though? I would think we should expect something coming back.

    I don’t know. Something back or a pick/player attached going out should make it possible. I don’t see why we should nix any thought of a team without Russell because it may be difficult to find a team to take him (that he also will go to).

    A Neal buyout also opens the same amount of cash FWIW.

  102. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Certainly possible.

    Costs in Canada are lower.

    Perception for health priority better in Canada (outside-bubble covid matters).

    There are 82.4 Million reasons Canada won’t get both sites.

    Bettman has been thrilled to be included in those resuming sports calls with NFL, NBA, MLB and the Incumbent.

    Bettman would not be thrilled to have those 82.4 million twitter followers read how SAD it is that the NHL is turning its back on them.

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