Bracket Creep

Judd Brackett has reached a certain amount of fame (infamy?) due to his track record and recent success by the Vancouver Canucks draft picks. He lost a power struggle in Van and is off to Minnesota for the next one to 20 years. It is very difficult to value scouting directors unless they’re 1979-83 Barry Fraser or 1984-2000 Barry Fraser. Brackett is good. Did he do better than the Oilers 2016-2019? If so, by how much?

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BRACKETT CREEP

In his fascinating book THE ROAD TO HOCKEYTOWN, Jimmy Devellano talks about the goal of a scouting director and his staff:

‘We’re trying to determine if the player can get to the next level, that’s the real job. Most people can sit and watch a game and tell you who the best player on the ice is, but the good scout will be able to judge whether or not a player can go a step or two higher. We in the hockey business call it projecting.’

Success in the first 100 selections of each draft (1st round): All of Brackett’s first-round picks were top-10 overall selections. An NHL team needs to cash most or all of those picks, and the Canucks have procured exceptional (Elias Pettersson, Quinn Hughes) talent in two of those four seasons. Olli Juolevi is on track for a career if he can stay healthy, he had a good year in the AHL. The Russian from 2019 (Vasili Podkolzin) is too soon to know. Pettersson and Hughes make the four picks a ringing success in my opinion, Brackett’s strong work in the first round should be on display for the next decade. Brackett is also given credit often for Vancouver’s choosing Brock Boeser, another impressive youngster.

Success in the first 100 selections of each draft (2nd round): Kole Lind (2017) is through two AHL seasons and gaining traction as a middle-six winger option. I like him. Jonah Gadjovich (2017) is a prospect I liked a lot but he seems to have stalled. Jett Woo (2018) ran in place a little in his final junior season it’s uncertain to me where he’ll land in pros (offensive defenseman? Two-way type?). I’ll guess top four and suggest he’s lagging a little but no real reason to worry. Nils Hoglander (2019) has the look of a prospect who may not require an entire AHL season before being NHL ready. Undersized, I’ll suggest No. 2 LW outer marker.

Success in the first 100 selections of each draft (3rd round): William Lockwood (2016) is a bit of a tweener but could make the grade as a support player. Michael DiPietro (2017) had a good AHL season as a rookie pro, the last year and a half suggests to me that ‘No. 1 NHL starter’ is starting to look aggressive. Tyler Madden (2018) is the best prospect in the Vancouver system not chosen in the first round in the Brackett years.

Success in what Devellano calls “projecting”: Madden would be an example, Jack Rathbone (2017) is an intriguing prospect (good speed, earning more playing time in college each season) who could surprise.

Success in addressing team needs. Canucks were old and lacked high-end skill. Vancouver was drafting high, but when a scouting director answers the need for skill by delivering Pettersson and Hughes, he should be given credit. Good move by the Wild.

  • Best first-round pick: (Tie) Pettersson, Hughes
  • Worst first-round pick: Olli Juolevi (who may still work out)
  • Best pick after the first round: Tyler Madden

GREEN ACRES

Success in the first 100 selections of each draft (1st round): Kailer Yamamoto in 2017 showed some innovation, a small winger with no fear and a great deal of skill. Excellent pick, especially considering where they got him. Evan Bouchard in 2018 (over Oliver Wahlstrom and Noah Dobson) looks poised to deliver substantial value. Philip Broberg is too soon to know, surprised at how many have already made the call. Great speed is useful on offense and defense. Jesse Puljujarvi was the right selection, no doubt in my mind. Still, it didn’t work as planned, and that will be the overriding story until JP has some NHL success, gets traded, or Bouchard emerges as a quality NHL player.

Success in the first 100 selections of each draft (2nd round): Tyler Benson is on the verge of his NHL career, I think a Marcus Kruger future is a reasonable projection for him. Ryan McLeod is also progressing as a bottom-six forward and shows promise. Olivier Rodrigue is one of the organization’s two best goalie prospects and coming off a season where he posted a .918SP in the diabolical QMJHL. You never know but he’s on the good side of the prospect list. Raphael Lavoie is the most recent selection and may be remembered as the best of the bunch. His outer marker is the most promising among the forwards in this group. None have succeeded all are on track.

Success in the first 100 selections of each draft (3rd round): Ilya Konovalov was an astute, I’ll say inspired choice, in its own way as innovative as Yamamoto in the first round. He’s close to NHL-ready, has two solid to excellent KHL seasons on his resume and his only crime is being a little smaller than ideal. Dmitri Samorukov looks like he’ll play a two-way role in the NHL if he continues to progress, Filip Berglund is developing into a two-way type who may find NHL employement ala Erik Gustafsson (with a little less offense). Stuart Skinner is matriculating but hasn’t shown NHL upside in two pro seasons. Matt Cairns doesn’t resemble a future NHL player at this time.

Success in what Devellano calls “projecting”: Samorukov would qualify in this category, Mike Kesselring and Maxim Denezhkin are two men I believe may cover this bet in the future.

Success in addressing team needs. If you include 2015, then Ethan Bear and Caleb Jones certainly qualify and Kailer Yamamoto is a direct hit in this category. Evan Bouchard will get there and qualify, possibly in the coming year. Kirill Maksimov is a candidate, he’ll need to have some success in 2020-21.

  • Best first-round pick: Kailer Yamamoto
  • Worst first-round pick: Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Best pick after the first round: Ethan Bear

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  1. SwedishPoster says:

    OriginalPouzar: Ya, I read that a few minutes ago.

    I wonder if that is going to be the norm for the European leagues?

    KHL has already started their development camps.

    From the last comment in the last thread, sorry if I break protocol…

    The DEL want/need people in the stands or else they can’t make it work financially so they’ve pushed it back hoping things have settled down enough. The SHL has stated that they are prepared to start out with empty stands and are planning to start playing in september 18th. They can make enough from sponsors and TV deals to play without crowds, at least for a while

    Unless the swedish soccer league messes the whole thing up, they are playing with empty stands and a strict protocol but the last week some teams have made breaches of said protocol, the worst one being that one team didn’t bother reporting that a player had been ill just before the game and they had him play the game. It was likely food poisoning but not reporting stuff like this AND have the player start the game is a massive no no and might jeopardize all pro sports if the swedish soccer association won’t come down hard on the teams messing up.

    Don’t know how dependent the swiss league is on tv revenue but I doubt the KHL backs down now.

  2. Harpers Hair says:

    Michael Russo of the Athletic has an extensive looks at Bracketts track record at the Athletic.

    https://theathletic.com/1919328/2020/07/09/wild-hire-judd-brackett-former-canucks-draft-guru-to-lead-amateur-scouting/?source=user_shared_article

    Brackett had tremendous success fishing in the NCAA pool in later rounds including players like Adam Gaudette, Aidan McDounogh and Jack Rathbone.

  3. SwedishPoster says:

    Filip Berglund likely won’t have Gustafsson’s offense nor does he his skating ability but he probably defends better drunk than Gustafsson on one of his good days.

  4. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Nils Hoglander (2019) has the look of a prospect who may not require an entire AHL season before being NHL ready. Undersized, I’ll suggest No. 2 LW outer marker.

    He’s shorter (5’9″), but has thick hockey ass and legs.

    Exceptional hands, good edges, very creative.

    I think his outer marker is 1LW.

    Great pick.

  5. Brantford Boy says:

    LT: “Kole Lind (2017) is through two AHL seasons and gaining traction as a middle-six winger option. I like him. Jonah Gadjovich (2017) is a prospect I liked a lot but he seems to have stalled.”

    I liked both of these players at the time and was super pissed the Dys got both men. I’ve checked their stats from time to time and agree Gadjovich may not cover the bet. With that said it would have meant passing on BPA in Yamamoto, which as we know now would have been a huge mistake.

    The Wild have just acquired a really good scout.

  6. Brantford Boy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He’s shorter (5’9″), but has thick hockey ass and legs.

    Is that from a scouting report or is there something we don’t know or don’t want to know here?

  7. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Nils Hoglander (2019) has the look of a prospect who may not require an entire AHL season before being NHL ready. Undersized, I’ll suggest No. 2 LW outer marker.

    He’s shorter (5’9″), but has thick hockey ass and legs.

    Exceptional hands, good edges, very creative.

    I think his outer marker is 1LW.

    Great pick.

    His even-strength points-per-60 in the SHL was 1.60 this past season, second year in a row around that range (1.41/60 in 2018-19). More likely a complementary player on a skill line based on the math I’m looking at now.

  8. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide: His even-strength points-per-60 in the SHL was 1.60 this past season, second year in a row around that range (1.41/60 in 2018-19). More likely a complementary player on a skill line based on the math I’m looking at now.

    That’s fair

  9. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Brantford Boy: Is that from a scouting report or is there something we don’t know or don’t want to know here?

    Ha!

  10. dustrock says:

    Cross-posting from LT’s Athletic article on the Hawks/Oilers my amazement at Kampf’s line caving McDavid 2 games in a row during the regular season, apparently he is their new Bolland.

    https://theathletic.com/1910635/2020/07/09/lowetide-dave-tippetts-postseason-strategy-for-oilers-against-the-blackhawks/

    LT says the Hawks have had Kampf playing elites for 2 years now.

  11. dustrock says:

    Brantford Boy: Is that from a scouting report or is there something we don’t know or don’t want to know here?

    So long as he wears a mask. Or glove. Or full hockey gear for that matter.

  12. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide: His even-strength points-per-60 in the SHL was 1.60 this past season, second year in a row around that range (1.41/60 in 2018-19). More likely a complementary player on a skill line based on the math I’m looking at now.

    Likely reflects Vancouver current roster construction too with JT Miller at #1LW.

  13. Eh Team says:

    Harpers Hair: Likely reflects Vancouver current roster construction too with JT Miller at #1LW.

    Canucks have a lot of cap issues (well as do most NHL teams) but they are carrying boat anchors like Ferland, Roussel, Beagle, Sutter, Myers and Eriksson. Sutter will get bought out presumably but still a lot of bad contracts to non-core players or overrated players like Myers.

  14. John Chambers says:

    Harpers Hair: Likely reflects Vancouver current roster construction too with JT Miller at #1LW.

    The same JT Miler who will cost Vancouver a lottery pick in 2021?

    🙂

  15. Harpers Hair says:

    Eh Team: Canucks have a lot of cap issues (well as do most NHL teams) but they are carrying boat anchors like Ferland, Roussel, Beagle, Sutter, Myers and Eriksson.Sutter will get bought out presumably but still a lot of bad contracts to non-core players or overrated players like Myers.

    Not quite as dire as you make it out to be.

    They do, like many other teams face a cap crunch but there is a path forward in the near future.

    Sutter can likely be traded with some retention.

    Rousell and Ferland are both useful third line players IF healthy.

    If not, they go on LTIR.

    Myers had a pretty good season…what do you think a #3D is worth?

    Beagle certainly qualifies as an anchor with few options to move him.

    Eriksson just received a $3 million bonus so has only $5 million in real dollars remaining on his contract over the next two seasons

    It makes little sense to buy him out now but it will be easy next offseason.

    Likely he’ll be sent to the minors in the meantime, saving $1 million in cap space unless they can add a sweetener and send him to a team that is short of cash of which there may be a few under the current circumstances.

  16. Harpers Hair says:

    John Chambers: The same JT Miler who will cost Vancouver a lottery pick in 2021?

    Not a likely outcome but Miller is worth it in any event.

  17. Fuge Udvar says:

    Eh Team: Canucks have a lot of cap issues (well as do most NHL teams) but they are carrying boat anchors like Ferland, Roussel, Beagle, Sutter, Myers and Eriksson.Sutter will get bought out presumably but still a lot of bad contracts to non-core players or overrated players like Myers.

    Really? I thought their cap looks pretty good. Ericsson contract stings but they don’t have a single player making over 6m. Petersson and Hughes on ELCs and Boeser on a fairly good bridge. Their big pay days are all 2-3 years away.

  18. Eh Team says:

    Harpers Hair: Not quite as dire as you make it out to be.

    They do, like many other teams face a cap crunch but there is a path forward in the near future.

    True, there is short term pain, but the real issue with the Canucks is Benning, the guy who thought it was a good idea to sign those guys in the first place. He’s not going away until he inflects more damage. The Canucks have really been bailed out by their drafting and the guy responsible for that is now gone.

  19. ChiliChunk says:

    Tyler Madden (2018) is the best prospect in the Vancouver system not chosen in the first round in the Brackett years.

    Wasn’t he traded to LA in the Toffoli deal?

  20. Eh Team says:

    Fuge Udvar: Really? I thought their cap looks pretty good. Ericsson contract stings but they don’t have a single player making over 6m. Petersson and Hughes on ELCs and Boeser on a fairly good bridge. Their big pay days are all 2-3 years away.

    Here’s my prediction- Petersson and Hughes sign for $10m each, they sign Toffoli to some stupid deal and trade Boeser for “cap reasons”

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Today is the day!

    Board of Governors with a call to rubber stamp the RTP and CBA MOU at 2 (mountain) and the players’ vote closes at 4 (mountain).

    From accounts, and as suspected, there will be solid majority pass for the players.

    Training camp on Monday and post-season games in 3 weeks?

    How exciting!

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yamamoto, Bouchard and Broberg are, in my opinion, each developing right on schedule with reasonable expectations.

    As a 22nd overall forward, a final year of junior and an AHL season was expected to be required for Kailer – previous management tried to mess that up with NHL time each year but Kailer fought through and showed himself as a top 6 winger with a year left on his ELC.

    As a 10th overall pick d-man, similar, development time for Bouchard was expected – he lit up the OHL in draft plus 1 and had a huge development year in draft plus too, his rookie pro year. 20 points in his final 24 games and a plus player playing top minutes on a team decimated with injuries and call-ups and getting killed – that’s phenomenal.

    Broberg, as young for his draft year d-man playing in Sweden, a number of years of development are expected. Playing every day, with ice time in and around 14-18 minutes and PK time – that is what we looked for in draft plus 1 for Broberg. Can’t wait to see him top 4 in draft plus 2.

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson – many are down a bit as his 2nd year pro didn’t shine as much as his 1st year pro. Of course, we are talking about a non-first round pick and development is generally not a straight line. We’ve learned that Benson needs a driver in order to succeed in the top 6. Maybe he can find that in Edmonton with McDavid or Drai but maybe (and likely in the short term), his game does also lend itself to adding skill to the middle six. His development has been reasonable for a non-first round pick.

    McLeod – His offensive box-cars look pedestrian in his first year pro but lets not forget he got almost no PP time and, as far as 5 on 5 numbers go, he did quite well. His speed and size will likely have him in the NHL, the question will be as a 4th liner/tweener or can he develop in to a 3C with skill? I see projections for him in the NHL as a center next season (and even maybe playing post-season games this year). I would like to see him play a full time center role, in the top 6, in the Bake prior to thinking about him as an Oiler – 3C hole notwithstanding.

    Rodrigue – what a great finish to his junior career – elite numbers last season. Generally first year pro goalies for this organization spend their season in the ECHL – that may be the route for Rodrigue but he may jump it directly to a split-starting rotation in the AHL.

  24. BONE207 says:

    I would guess that with this article, somewhere on Vancouver island, the sun shines a little brighter & the skies are a little bluer.

    Lord, I pray that the Oilers have great success in the covid cup.

  25. Harpers Hair says:

    Eh Team: True, there is short term pain, but the real issue with the Canucks is Benning, the guy who thought it was a good idea to sign those guys in the first place. He’s not going away until he inflects more damage.The Canucks have really been bailed out by their drafting and the guy responsible for that is now gone.

    I guess the good news is that Benning doesn’t have any money to spend in the short term.

    Thomas Drance took a deep dive on their cap situation this morning.

    https://theathletic.com/1917910/2020/07/10/drance-a-flat-cap-inefficient-contracts-will-delay-canucks-window-to-contend/?source=user_shared_article

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Some worried that the NHL players won’t be able to help themselves and will leave the secure zone.

    MLB isn’t even having a “secure zone” but there are reports that being seen outside the park or hotel could result in fines of $750K and potential jail time……..

  27. Harpers Hair says:

    Eh Team: Here’s my prediction-Petersson and Hughes sign for $10m each, they sign Toffoli to some stupid deal and trade Boeser for “cap reasons”

    Pretty good chance EP and Hughes are signed to bridge deals under current cap constraints.

    If they trade Boeser, it would likely be for an established young defenseman.

  28. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: MLB isn’t even having a “secure zone” but there are reports that being seen outside the park or hotel could result in fines of $750K and potential jail time……..

    ~ We’ll also be sweeping Jasper parking lots in case the New York Yankees stop there when they are allowed to fly directly into Toronto. ~

  29. Harpers Hair says:

    ChiliChunk: Wasn’t he traded to LA in the Toffoli deal?

    Yes.

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster: From the last comment in the last thread, sorry if I break protocol…

    The DEL want/need people in the stands or else they can’t make it work financially so they’ve pushed it back hoping things have settled down enough. The SHL has stated that they are prepared to start out with empty stands and are planning to start playing in september 18th. They can make enough from sponsors and TV deals to play without crowds, at least for a while

    Unless the swedish soccer league messes the whole thing up, they are playing with empty stands and a strict protocol but the last week some teams have made breaches of said protocol, the worst one being that one team didn’t bother reporting that a player had been ill just before the game and they had him play the game. It was likely food poisoning but not reporting stuff like this AND have the player start the game is a massive no no and might jeopardize all pro sports if the swedish soccer association won’t come down hard on the teams messing up.

    Don’t know how dependent the swiss league is on tv revenue but I doubt the KHL backs down now.

    This is fantastic info – thank you.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    ChiliChunk: Wasn’t he traded to LA in the Toffoli deal?

    He sure was.

    A first rounder also going away in the JT Miller trade.

    The Nucks do have a strong prospect pool but Benning is trying to expedite the re-build.

  32. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: He sure was.

    A first rounder also going away in the JT Miller trade.

    The Nucks do have a strong prospect pool but Benning is trying to expedite the re-build.

    “Canucks will be a legit contender as soon as all of the dead weight contracts expire & they cash on all of their prospects.”
    * almost every fan base in the NHL *

  33. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: Yes.

    Out of curiosity, since you are in their market and follow the Canucks, how secure is Benning’s job?

    I guess I am wondering if the knives will come out if they lose in the playin this coming month and put him on a watch list if they struggle early next year.

    Or are the fans and ownership happy?

    I just wonder because the results out there seem mostly positive but I have never thought Benning, himself, was anything more than mediocre.

    Maybe that is just me.

  34. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: He sure was.

    A first rounder also going away in the JT Miller trade.

    The Nucks do have a strong prospect pool but Benning is trying to expedite the re-build.

    After years of strong drafting, you get to a point where adding further to the prospect pool is a zero sum game.

    The Canucks have Podkholziin, Hoglander, Lind coming at forward and all three project as top six forwards.
    With the emergence of Gaudette and MacEwen and the improving 23 year old Virtanen things look pretty good in the bottom six too.

    If Juolevi recovers from injury and they add Jett Woo and Jack Rathbone to the D pool they have some longer term held coming.

    Just heard on Vancouver radio that many pundits expect Rathbone could play this upcoming season on the left side behind Hughes and Edler if he decides to leave Harvard.

    And of course the Canucks have their secret weapon ready to step in on the right side.

  35. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: Out of curiosity, since you are in their market and follow the Canucks, how secure is Benning’s job?

    I guess I am wondering if the knives will come out if they lose in the playin this coming month and put him on a watch list if they struggle early next year.

    Or are the fans and ownership happy?

    I just wonder because the results out there seem mostly positive but I have never thought Benning, himself, was anything more than mediocre.

    Maybe that is just me.

    There has been a tremendous amount of discussion about that in the local media but the consensus seems to be he has some rope beyond this season perhaps underlined by ownership allowing him to “dispose” of Judd Brackett.

    Agree that next season will likely tell the tale since he has ruthlessly consolidated power by eliminating some pretty smart people like Lawrence Gilman.

    Brackett has been tremendously successful in finding gems from the later rounds in the NCAA and I suspect that will come back to bite Benning in the ass.

    One of the most tuned in Canuck observers said this morning that players like Boeser, Gaudette, Rafferty, Madden and Rathbone were all products of Brackett’s work in the north east and, now that Benning is flying solo, he’ll be exposed.

    How long that takes is open to question but, if he bungles the Markstrom, Tyfolli, Tanev free agencies, I expect the knives will come out pretty quickly.

  36. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair: Just heard on Vancouver radio that many pundits expect Rathbone could play this upcoming season on the left side behind Hughes and Edler if he decides to leave Harvard.

    And of course the Canucks have their secret weapon ready to step in on the right side.

    Is this truly the end of the road for our caped heros? Will Jagged Wrathbore and Brocade Taffeta survive to see the light of NHL rinks? Tune in tomorrow—same Hack-time, same Hack-channel!”

  37. Fuge Udvar says:

    Eh Team: Here’s my prediction-Petersson and Hughes sign for $10m each, they sign Toffoli to some stupid deal and trade Boeser for “cap reasons”

    Maybe but I think it is too far away to make predictions like that. We don’t even know how proping the cap up is even going to work. Who knows what hockey related revenue will look like over the next couple years.

  38. Harpers Hair says:

    Pat Steinberg (@Fan960Steinberg) Tweeted:
    Reports suggest Phase 3 (training camp) will be 30 skaters and unlimited goalies. That needs to be cut to 31 players, including goalies, for Phase 4 (games begin).

    Calgary was at 24 players (13F, 9D, 2G) on the active roster prior to the pause. #Flames

  39. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Pretty good chance EP and Hughes are signed to bridge deals under current cap constraints.

    If they trade Boeser, it would likely be for an established young defenseman.

    I I’m Holland I might offer Caleb Jones but the deal is only good for a short time.

  40. jp says:

    Fuge Udvar: Really? I thought their cap looks pretty good. Ericsson contract stings but they don’t have a single player making over 6m. Petersson and Hughes on ELCs and Boeser on a fairly good bridge. Their big pay days are all 2-3 years away.

    The Canucks have 6 different forwards being paid $3M or more that failed to score 20 points this season. All 6 of them are under contract for next season and 4 of them through 2022. 4 of them will also be 31 when next season starts (the other 2 are Baertschi and Ferland).

    On top of that they have the Luongo recapture penalty ($3M per) on the books until 2022 and Tyler Myers (at $6M) for the rest of his 30s (a fine enough defenseman right now, but in 3 or 4 years….)

    Both Petterson and Hughes need new deals one year from now. About $24.5M from the players above will still be on the books at that point.

    Pretty good?

  41. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: The Canucks have 6 different forwards being paid $3M or more that failed to score 20 points this season. All 6 of them are under contract for next season and 4 of them through 2022. 4 of them will also be 31 when next season starts (the other 2 are Baertschi and Ferland).

    On top of that they have the Luongo recapture penalty ($3M per) on the books until 2022 and Tyler Myers (at $6M) for the rest of his 30s (a fine enough defenseman right now, but in 3 or 4 years….)

    Both Petterson and Hughes need new deals one year from now. About $24.5M from the players above will still be on the books at that point.

    Pretty good?

    When they need new contracts Edler, Eriksson, Baertschi, Sutter, Pearson and Benn all are off the cap, freeing up about $18 million in cap space with more available if they buyout the last year on Beagles contract.

    Not bad.

  42. Harpers Hair says:

    Reja: I I’m Holland I might offer Caleb Jones but the deal is only good for a short time.

    Boeser would fetch a much better defenseman than Jones.

  43. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Still no clarity on the Lucic/Neal trade.

    https://www.tsn.ca/friday-five-lingering-nhl-questions-to-ponder-1.1494095?tsn-amp&__twitter_impression=true

    Yep. He could have written this months ago:

    “Deputy commissioner Bill Daly said this week that the NHL intends to develop a process (sounds like arbitration?) where both clubs will make arguments, be heard fairly, and then a decision will be rendered.”

    And what Daly said then was that teams are encouraged to revise the deals mutually if they see fit and if there are any open the NHL will decide what might follow.

    Likely the same will be written around Labour Day.

  44. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair: Boeser would fetch a much better defenseman than Jones.

    Well that goes without saying. As soon as the new guy dons a Dys jersey we’ll hear how there is no other greatness as great as that guy’s greatness.

  45. Side says:

    Pescador: “Canucks will be a legit contender as soon as all of the dead weight contracts expire & they cash on all of their prospects.”
    * almost every fan base in the NHL *

    Yeah and I like how the presumption is always that other GMs will suddenly make the “right” decisions compared to the team they are bashing.

  46. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: There has been a tremendous amount of discussion about that in the local media but the consensus seems to be he has some rope beyond this season perhaps underlined by ownership allowing him to “dispose” of Judd Brackett.

    Agree that next season will likely tell the tale since he has ruthlessly consolidated power by eliminating some pretty smart people like Lawrence Gilman.

    Brackett has been tremendously successful in finding gems from the later rounds in the NCAA and I suspect that will come back to bite Benning in the ass.

    One of the most tuned in Canuck observers said this morning that players like Boeser, Gaudette, Rafferty, Madden and Rathbone were all products of Brackett’s work in the north east and, now that Benning is flying solo, he’ll be exposed.

    How long that takes is open to question but, if he bungles the Markstrom, Tyfolli, Tanev free agencies, I expect the knives will come out pretty quickly.

    Thanks. Kind of lines up with how I viewed the situation. Lots of good things happening out there but it always looks like the good things happen in spite of Benning rather than because of him.

    I just didn’t know if that is because he is really bad at PR or if others see it that way as well.

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Filip Berglund likely won’t have Gustafsson’s offense nor does he his skating ability but he probably defends better drunk than Gustafsson on one of his good days.

    I had little concern about the flames acquiring Gustaffsson – he’s a defensive liability.

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Nils Hoglander (2019) has the look of a prospect who may not require an entire AHL season before being NHL ready. Undersized, I’ll suggest No. 2 LW outer marker.

    He’s shorter (5’9″), but has thick hockey ass and legs.

    Exceptional hands, good edges, very creative.

    I think his outer marker is 1LW.

    Great pick.

    I remember him excelling at the World Junior but, looking at his numbers, they didn’t really spike much this past season – I know to temper expectations of box-cars with teenagers in the SHL but his year over year progression is what I’m looking at.

    Is there a reason?

  49. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: When they need new contracts Edler, Eriksson, Baertschi, Sutter, Pearson and Benn all are off the cap, freeing up about $18 million in cap space with more available if they buyout the last year on Beagles contract.

    Not bad.

    Pettersson and Hughes need new deals next summer (2021). Eriksson’s deal doesn’t expire until 2022. And it’s almost as buyout proof as Lucic’s (even with a buyout the Canucks would pay ~$5.7M 2020-21 and $3.7M 2021-22, plus some extra the 2 years after that). His contract is not going away.

    So that leaves Edler, Baertschi, Sutter, Pearson and Benn. They do come off the books but that’s your 1D, 2RW and 3C who just went out the door. That money I’m sure will go to Pettersson and Hughes but not being able to replace those others is going to hurt.

    Not good.

  50. Todd Macallan says:

    jp: The Canucks have 6 different forwards being paid $3M or more that failed to score 20 points this season. All 6 of them are under contract for next season and 4 of them through 2022. 4 of them will also be 31 when next season starts (the other 2 are Baertschi and Ferland).

    On top of that they have the Luongo recapture penalty ($3M per) on the books until 2022 and Tyler Myers (at $6M) for the rest of his 30s (a fine enough defenseman right now, but in 3 or 4 years….)

    Both Petterson and Hughes need new deals one year from now. About $24.5M from the players above will still be on the books at that point.

    Pretty good?

    (golf clap)

  51. Eh Team says:

    Fuge Udvar: Maybe but I think it is too far away to make predictions like that. We don’t even know how proping the cap up is even going to work. Who knows what hockey related revenue will look like over the next couple years.

    We know enough to say the cap will be at 81.5m for the next 4-5 years.

  52. geowal says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Nils Hoglander (2019) has the look of a prospect who may not require an entire AHL season before being NHL ready. Undersized, I’ll suggest No. 2 LW outer marker.

    He’s shorter (5’9″), but has thick hockey ass and legs.

    Exceptional hands, good edges, very creative.

    I think his outer marker is 1LW.

    Great pick.

    He was impressive to watch from the front row at the WJC in OStrava, impressive along the boards at that level.

  53. SwedishPoster says:

    OriginalPouzar: I remember him excelling at the World Junior but, looking at his numbers, they didn’t really spike much this past season – I know to temper expectations of box-cars with teenagers in the SHL but his year over year progression is what I’m looking at.

    Is there a reason?

    He still hasn’t figured out how to use his hands and creativity against pro players. My concern with him has always been if he’ll be efficient offensively on a nightly basis, he has games where he’s a constant threat and he pulls off these crazy highlight reel plays, but far too often he’s just running in place and won’t accomplish much of anything. He has a big season coming up imo, it’s time to show that he’s more than a “fun little player” at the pro level. He needs to find a way to produce when the opposing team is playing tight, how to use those incredible hands properly as they are by far his greatest asset. His vision is fine though quite inconsistent, his shot is just ok for an offense first player and imo needs to get better, he’s a quick skater though has had a tough time creating seperation against SHL D.
    He has the skill to really break out with some minor tweaks and improvements but at the pro level I’d say he’s far from a done deal. As mentioned he’s been a teenager in a league that’s gotten real tough on teenagers the last few years so his numbers at this point in time are perfectly fine, but he needs to start showing that he can be that offensive catalyst against fully grown up players soon or one has to question his upside. He’s young but he already has four pro seasons of 20 plus games against men and he’s still more or less the same guy, stronger, faster and more experienced but still that player who’s a real treat when he’s on but not a guy you can really count on to provide offense. I hope he gets it eventually because he’s a lovely player type and really really entertaining when having his nights.

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    No surprise but, as per Friedman, both the NHL and the NHLPA have approved the RTP / CBA (MOU).

    LETS DO THIS!

  55. Ray says:

    Why would the Boeser news leak out now…. Perhaps because the team has been informed he might use the opt out and they are strong arming him to play???

  56. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Pettersson and Hughes need new deals next summer (2021). Eriksson’s deal doesn’t expire until 2022. And it’s almost as buyout proof as Lucic’s (even with a buyout the Canucks would pay ~$5.7M 2020-21 and $3.7M 2021-22, plus some extra the 2 years after that). His contract is not going away.

    So that leaves Edler, Baertschi, Sutter, Pearson and Benn. They do come off the books but that’s your 1D, 2RW and 3C who just went out the door. That money I’m sure will go to Pettersson and Hughes but not being able to replace those others is going to hurt.

    Not good.

    If Eriksson is bought out next season, his cap hit is reduced to $3.6 million for one year and only $666 thousand for the following two seasons. It’s easy to buy out.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/loui-eriksson#results

    Edler is not 1D. Hughes is.

    Baertschi is not 2RW…he’s in the AHL. Boeser is 2RW if Toffoli is re-signed.

    Sutter is not 3C…Gaudette is. Sutter has been playing third line wing.

    None of them will be missed and will be replaced by better players on ELCs for the most part.

  57. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: If Eriksson is bought out next season, his cap hit is reduced to $3.6 million for one year and only $666 thousand for the following two seasons. It’s easy to buy out.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/loui-eriksson#results

    Edler is not 1D. Hughes is.

    Baertschi is not 2RW…he’s in the AHL. Boeser is 2RW if Toffoli is re-signed.

    Sutter is not 3C…Gaudette is. Sutter has been playing third line wing.

    None of them will be missed and will be replaced by better players on ELCs for the most part.

    OK sure, Eriksson is easy to buy out. But $3.67M of his salary will remain in 2021-22 even if he is bought out.

    Edler has led the Canucks in TOI for each of the last 4 seasons. That’s usually who the #1D is. And Hughes may be a #1D soon. But a player can’t be given that title before they PK (he had less than 10 PK minutes on the year, I believe).

    I thought Pearson was 2RW until the 10 games of Tofolli. If Tofolli is re-signed that’s even less money for Pettersson and Hughes next summer.

    Sutter may not be missed.

    Better players than Edler, Pearson and Sutter. On ELC… OK then.

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Seravelli, the vote was 502-135 – 79%, right on the suspected zone.

    Training camp on Monday – who else is excited?

    Given they plan on starting the exhibition games the day after teams are scheduled to travel to the phase 4 secure zones on July 26, I suspect the Oilers are likely to play the flames or nucks on that first day – just due to physical logistics.

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    I believe players have 72 hours to let their teams know they are participating.

    Will be interesting to hear if there are any opt outs over the weekend.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eh Team: Canucks have a lot of cap issues (well as do most NHL teams) but they are carrying boat anchors like Ferland, Roussel, Beagle, Sutter, Myers and Eriksson.Sutter will get bought out presumably but still a lot of bad contracts to non-core players or overrated players like Myers.

    No need to buy-out Sutter – flip him to the Oilers for Kris Russell.

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Not quite as dire as you make it out to be.

    They do, like many other teams face a cap crunch but there is a path forward in the near future.

    Sutter can likely be traded with some retention.

    Rousell and Ferland are both useful third line players IF healthy.

    If not, they go on LTIR.

    Myers had a pretty good season…what do you think a #3D is worth?

    Beagle certainly qualifies as an anchor with few options to move him.

    Eriksson just received a $3 million bonus so has only $5 million in real dollars remaining on his contract over the next two seasons

    It makes little sense to buy him out now but it will be easy next offseason.

    Likely he’ll be sent to the minors in the meantime, saving $1 million in cap space unless they can add a sweetener and send him to a team that is short of cash of which there may be a few under the current circumstances.

    I would be enthused if the nucks use LTIR and enable the relief cushion – it would mean they essentially accrue no cap space on a daily basis to bank and make in-season/deadline acquisitions and hampers improving the team.

    A very ineffective way to manage the cap although often used out of necessity (and, yes, the Oilers may very well be using LTIR relief at certain points of the season but at least they won’t be going in to the season with active tem players on their cap that won’t play for them).

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Play-in round starts Aug 1 with 5 games on the sched:

    Aug 1:
    Game 1, Rangers vs Hurricanes, Panthers vs Islanders, Canadiens vs Penguins, Blackhawks vs Oilers and Jets vs Flames

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    Full round 1 schedule:

    https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1281728526006333441

    Oilers/Hawks:

    Aug 1, 3, 5, 7 (if necessary) and 8 (if necessary)

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: After years of strong drafting, you get to a point where adding further to the prospect pool is a zero sum game.

    The Canucks have Podkholziin, Hoglander, Lind coming at forward and all three project as top six forwards.
    With the emergence of Gaudette and MacEwen and the improving 23 year old Virtanen things look pretty good in the bottom six too.

    If Juolevi recovers from injury and they add Jett Woo and Jack Rathbone to the D pool they have some
    longer term held coming.

    Just heard on Vancouver radio that many pundits expect Rathbone could play this upcoming season on the left side behind Hughes and Edler if he decides to leave Harvard.

    And of course the Canucks have their secret weapon ready to step in on the right side.

    If Cole Lind projects as a top 6 forward then Tyler Benson must project as an elite top winger.

    The emergence of Zack McKewan in to what? A tweener/4th line player?

    I’m not sure how the same person can, without extreme bias cite Juolevi is potential building block and constantly derogate the potential of the younger and better Evan Bouchard.

    So now Rathborne and Rafferty are going to be pieces of next year’s defensive group – and that’s supposed to instill confidence in the on-ice success?

    It’s the above type statements that all but prove the inability to have an actual conversation on these types of matters.

  65. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: OK sure, Eriksson is easy to buy out. But $3.67M of his salary will remain in 2021-22 even if he is bought out.

    Edler has led the Canucks in TOI for each of the last 4 seasons. That’s usually who the #1D is. And Hughes may be a #1D soon. But a player can’t be given that title before they PK (he had less than 10 PK minutes on the year, I believe).

    I thought Pearson was 2RW until the 10 games of Tofolli. If Tofolli is re-signed that’s even less money for Pettersson and Hughes next summer.

    Sutter may not be missed.

    Better players than Edler, Pearson and Sutter. On ELC… OK then.

    Good grief.

    Edler played less than 50 seconds a game more than Hughes this season.

    Why would any sane coach put their best offensive defenseman on the PK so he wasn’t fresh for the the PP?

    Answer zero.

    Edler will be 36 when his contract expires and you’re going to miss him?

    Toffoli already makes $4.6 million so a new contract at $5 million doesn’t move the needle much at all.

    I’d wager a pretty large sum than Podkolzin and Hoglander can provide more value than Sutter and Pearson and both will be on three year ELCs.

    John Leivo is also in the winger mix and will be back for next season and is a possession witch at $1.5 million.

    Coming off his kneecap injury, he won’t have any leverage but provides extreme value at a $1.5 million cap hit.

    The Canucks are in tough next season but then the window starts to open.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    I believe the JT Miller draft pick heads out this season now:

    Brennan Klak
    @nhlupdate
    According to the NHL, if you are playing in a qualifying series, you have officially “made the postseason”, which will in turn effect a few trades.

  67. Todd Macallan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I believe the JT Miller draft pick heads out this season now:

    Brennan Klak
    @nhlupdate
    According to the NHL, if you are playing in a qualifying series, you have officially “made the postseason”, which will in turn effect a few trades.

    Good news. I am very pleased for the Dys to not have a 1st rounder in this very deep draft.

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    The NHL has also made it official that the two conference finals and stanley cup finals will be played in Edmonton.

  69. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: If Cole Lind projects as a top 6 forward then Tyler Benson must project as an elite top winger.

    The emergence of Zack McKewan in to what?A tweener/4th line player?

    I’m not sure how the same person can, without extreme bias cite Juolevi is potential building block and constantly derogate the potential of the younger and better Evan Bouchard.

    So now Rathborne and Rafferty are going to be pieces of next year’s defensive group – and that’s supposed to instill confidence in the on-ice success?

    It’s the above type statements that all but prove the inability to have an actual conversation on these types of matters.

    Kole Lind was drafted a year after Benson and outscored him last season.

    No one said Lind will be an “elite” winger and certainly no one would describe Benson that way.

    Also, no one is drawing a comparison between Juolevi and BOUCHARD! except in the sense they’re both dawdling in the AHL.

    Many, many pundits believe both Rafferty and Rathbone could step in to the bottom pairing next season.

    Of course there is no guarantee that Rathbone will sign as both John Marino and Adam Fox who were Rathbones team mates at Harvard opted to wait and sign with teams of their choice.

    However, with Ivy League games cancelled, Rathbones options are more limited.

  70. Harpers Hair says:

    Todd Macallan: Good news. I am very pleased for the Dys to not have a 1st rounder in this very deep draft.

    Yeah…they’ll have to make do with one of the top 20 forwards in the league rather than waiting for a player who might make a difference in 3-5 years.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Still no clarity on the Lucic/Neal trade.

    https://www.tsn.ca/friday-five-lingering-nhl-questions-to-ponder-1.1494095?tsn-amp&__twitter_impression=true

    In addition, a few other interesting tidbits from the article:

    – while Dec 1 is the tentative start day, it will be a function of if fans are allowed and, if so, how many. Some owners would rather have a shortened season with (full) fans than to start without fans

    – apparently quite a few players are considering opting out.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eh Team: We know enough to say the cap will be at 81.5m for the next 4-5 years.

    There is the potential for it to go up in year 3 but its revenue shortfall based and seems unlikely at this early stage.

  73. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: In addition, a few other interesting tidbits from the article:

    – while Dec 1 is the tentative start day, it will be a function of if fans are allowed and, if so, how many.Some owners would rather have a shortened season with (full) fans than to start without fans

    – apparently quite a few players are considering opting out.

    Yeah.

    About 170 players voted no so it’ll be interesting to see how many of those opt out.

    Word is Brock Boeser may be one of them due to the frail health of his father.

  74. Todd Macallan says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Hopefully the Boeser trade rumour leaking from Van today is not connected to this. That would be a bad look for the franchise as that is a completely understandable reason to opt out.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Thank you very much for this.

    Informative, as always.

  76. Harpers Hair says:

    Todd Macallan:
    Harpers Hair,

    Hopefully the Boeser trade rumour leaking from Van today is not connected to this. That would be a bad look for the franchise as that is a completely understandable reason to opt out.

    I don’t think they’re directly related…it may be more about cap space and getting a a first round pick.

    Lots of speculation they’ll move him to Minnesota for a defenseman and a pick.

    If he gets to go home to be close to family, that would be great for the player.

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Good grief.

    Why would any sane coach put their best offensive defenseman on the PK so he wasn’t fresh for the the PP?

    Answer zero.

    This happens routinely and consistently:

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=pk&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&team=ALL&pos=D&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

  78. Todd Macallan says:

    Harpers Hair,

    The Wild would be a good trade partner for Boeser. Benning taking draft ammo away from Brackett would be kind of funny also.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Kole Lind was drafted a year after Benson and outscored him last season.

    No one said Lind will be an “elite” winger and certainly no one would describe Benson that way.

    Also, no one is drawing a comparison between Juolevi and BOUCHARD! except in the sense they’re both dawdling in the AHL.

    Many, many pundits believe both Rafferty and Rathbone could step in to the bottom pairing next season.

    Of course there is no guarantee that Rathbone will sign as both John Marino and Adam Fox who were Rathbones team mates at Harvard opted to wait and sign with teams of their choice.

    However, with Ivy League games cancelled, Rathbones options are more limited.

    Lind and Benson are 5 months apart in age:

    – both were both 20 year old rookies in the AHL in 2018/19 when Lind had 17 points in 51 games and Benson 66 in 68

    – Benson also had a higher PPG this past season than Lind – less overall points due to spending time in the NHL. Of course, Benson was 2nd in the team in scoring and Lind, 6th

    There is no comparison between the AHL careers of those two players at this point.

    ————

    Yup, it would seem Juolevi is dawdling in the AHL and is giving no indication of ceasing to dawdle. Bouchard is doing no such thing – he had an explosive development season in the AHL last year. Marked improvements in all facets of the game – potentially even succeeding the hopeful expectations of fans and management.

    The reason Juolevi vs. Bouchard was brought up was simply to point out your biased assessment of prospects in these two organizations.

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: That link shows nothing and means even less.

    The link shows top offensive d-men playing material minutes on the PK something you indicated no sane coach would do.

    One of those wild nightly statements.

  81. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Lind and Benson are 5 months apart in age:

    – both were both 20 year old rookies in the AHL in 2018/19 when Lind had 17 points in 51 games and Benson 66 in 68

    – Benson also had a higher PPG this past season than Lind – less overall points due to spending time in the NHL.Of course, Benson was 2nd in the team in scoring and Lind, 6th

    There is no comparison between the AHL careers of those two players at this point.

    ————

    Yup, it would seem Juolevi is dawdling in the AHL and is giving no indication of ceasing to dawdle.Bouchard is doing no such thing – he had an explosive development season in the AHL last year.Marked improvements in all facets of the game – potentially even succeeding the hopeful expectations of fans and management.

    The reason Juolevi vs. Bouchard was brought up was simply to point out your biased assessment of prospects in these two organizations.

    So Benson outscored a bunch of fire hydrants while Lind was a complementary player on one of the highest scoring teams in the AHL.

    Got it.

    After Bouchard’ “explosive” season he must be ready to play a huge role in the playoffs.

    Which RHD will he be replacing?

  82. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Good grief.

    Edler played less than 50 seconds a game more than Hughes this season.

    Why would any sane coach put their best offensive defenseman on the PK so he wasn’t fresh for the the PP?

    Answer zero.

    Edler will be 36 when his contract expires and you’re going to miss him?

    Toffoli already makes $4.6 million so a new contract at $5 million doesn’t move the needle much at all.

    I’d wager a pretty large sum than Podkolzin and Hoglander can provide more value than Sutter and Pearson and both will be on three year ELCs.

    Coming off his kneecap injury, he won’t have any leverage but provides extreme value at a $1.5 million cap hit.

    John Leivo is also in the winger mix and will be back for next season and is a possession witch at $1.5 million.

    The Canucks are in tough next season but then the window starts to open.

    You’re describing a sheltered offensive defenseman.

    #1D play all situations. I think everyone agrees Hughes may develop into that but he’s not one right now.

    Edler played more at evens and was the first PK option. Age is a bitch but if you’re telling me the Canucks won’t miss him… well I guess you maybe don’t actually follow the Canucks?

    The Canucks could only afford Tofolli’s $4.6M after the deadline. They can’t fit $4.6M in. They pretty much need to choose between Tofolli and a starting goalie this off season.

    Petterson, Hughes and Gaudette have more than $4.5M in performance bonuses. I’m not sure the details but I imagine the’ve hit quite a few of them, so the Canucks will have quite a significant bonus overage for next season (the next 2 I guess, since it can be spread out).

    “I’d wager a pretty large sum than Podkolzin and Hoglander can provide more value than Sutter and Pearson”. You realize we’re talking about 2021-22, right? I’d wager a pretty large sum that both players aren’t NHL regulars in 2021-22…

    Leivo is a UFA in a few months. If he wants more than $1.5M I don’t think he’ll be in the mix for the Canucks. Someone else’s witch/problem I expect.

    Sure, everything is *great*.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Another interesting note relevant to the Oilers.

    So, we now know that the NHL says the play-in round stats will count as playoff stats and teams in the play-in round will deemed to have “made the playoffs”/”played a playoff series” but, for the purpose of performance bonuses based on making the playoffs, the team has to made the round of 16.

    This could apply to Smith who has $750K worth of playoff bonuses.

  84. Side says:

    Harpers Hair:

    I’d wager a pretty large sum

    I think we all know what would come next…

  85. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: The link shows top offensive d-men playing material minutes on the PK something you indicated no sane coach would do.

    One of those wild nightly statements.

    Here are the a actual numbers of SH/TOI/G.

    The only top defenseman who spent any significant time on the PK was Shea Weber.

    http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?report=penaltykill&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=20192020&gameType=2&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=shTimeOnIcePerGame&page=0&pageSize=50

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: So Benson outscored a bunch of fire hydrants while Lind was a complementary player on one of the highest scoring teams in the AHL.

    Got it.

    After Bouchard’ “explosive” season he must be ready to play a huge role in the playoffs.

    Which RHD will he be replacing?

    Yes, Benson was more productive as the main driver of offence on his team – Lind was zoomed by being on a offensive powerhouse and still couldn’t perform as well as Benson.

    20 points in 24 games as a 20 year rookie playing top competition and being a plus player on a team with a major negative goal differential – yup, huge development.

  87. Material Elvis says:

    Harpers Hair: Here are the a actual numbers of SH/TOI/G.

    The only top defenseman who spent any significant time on the PK was Shea Weber.

    http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?report=penaltykill&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=20192020&gameType=2&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=shTimeOnIcePerGame&page=0&pageSize=50

    That’s not true. Looking at that list, most of the #1D played on the top 2 pk units. Josi 2:00/game, Petrangelo 1:50/game, Carlson 1;30/game, Hedman 2:22/game , Provarov 2:45/game, Doughty 2:07/game, Giordano 2:44/game, Klefbom 2:29/game, Jones 2:25/game. These are all significant pk minutes.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Here are the a actual numbers of SH/TOI/G.

    The only top defenseman who spent any significant time on the PK was Shea Weber.

    http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?report=penaltykill&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=20192020&gameType=2&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=shTimeOnIcePerGame&page=0&pageSize=50

    Every d-man in the top 50 played over 2.5 min/game on the PP and there were at least 10 top d-men on there.

    Your statement that no same d-man would play their top offensive d-man on the PP is simply not true, unless, well, most NHL coaches aren’t sane.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material Elvis: That’s not true.Looking at that list, most of the #1D played on the top 2 pk units.Josi 2:00/game, Petrangelo 1:50/game, Carlson 1;30/game, Hedman 2:22/game , Provarov 2:45/game, Doughty 2:07/game, Giordano 2:44/game, Klefbom 2:29/game, Jones 2:25/game.These are all significant pk minutes.

    Yes, his original statement was objectively false and I’m not sure why he’d doubling down on it when provided with the evidence.

  90. Bank Shot says:

    Harpers Hair: So Benson outscored a bunch of fire hydrants while Lind was a complementary player on one of the highest scoring teams in the AHL.

    Got it.

    After Bouchard’ “explosive” season he must be ready to play a huge role in the playoffs.

    Which RHD will he be replacing?

    Not Rogaine Lampferrty.

    That guy is going straight to the Hall.

  91. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: I don’t think they’re directly related…it may be more about cap space and getting a a first round pick.

    Lots of speculation they’ll move him to Minnesota for a defenseman and a pick.

    If he gets to go home to be close to family, that would be great for the player.

    Miller for Boeser. Fair enough I guess.

  92. N64 says:

    Side: I think we all know what would come next…

    What won’t come.

  93. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Every d-man in the top 50 played over 2.5 min/game on the PP and there were at least 10 top d-men on there.

    Your statement that no same d-man would play their top offensive d-man on the PP is simply not true, unless, well, most NHL coaches aren’t sane.

    Really?

    Top 10 NHL defensemen.

    Carlson

    Josi

    Hedman

    DeAngelo

    Hughes

    Pietrangelo

    Makar

    Krug

    Suter

    Theodore

  94. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, his original statement was objectively false and I’m not sure why he’d doubling down on it when provided with the evidence.

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, his original statement was objectively false and I’m not sure why he’d doubling down on it when provided with the evidence.

    Klefbom???

    Good grief.

  95. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, Benson was more productive as the main driver of offence on his team – Lind was zoomed by being on a offensive powerhouse and still couldn’t perform as well as Benson.

    20 points in 24 games as a 20 year rookie playing top competition and being a plus player on a team with a major negative goal differential – yup, huge development.

    Huge!

    A superstar!

  96. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If the Good Team

    Not the teams of those who come here, because their team’s blogs are boring and their teams inconsequential in the end,

    can’t win the Cup, I hope they lose to Chicago.

    Call it a 1 OV issue for me.

    The higher the better to me if no Cup chance.

    There can only be one.

  97. Munny says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Not me. I wouldn’t take that experience away from any of those fellas, they earned it. And they’ll need to rely on that experience for future runs. Not to mention it helps with FAs.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Really?

    Top 10 NHL defensemen.

    Carlson

    Josi

    Hedman

    DeAngelo

    Hughes

    Pietrangelo

    Makar

    Krug

    Suter

    Theodore

    Good Grief!!!

    The top d-man on at least 10 teams.

    Your statement is wrong – NHL coaches play their top offensive d-man on the PK routinely.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Klefbom???

    Good grief.

    The statement was no “no sane coach would play his top offensive d-man on the PK” – something about saving him for the PP.

    Objectively false.

  100. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Not me.I wouldn’t take that experience away from any of those fellas.They’ll need it for future runs.And it helps with FAs.

    Aren’t FAs a thing of the past? Pain pain pain.

    When you’re short a proper high end forward I think experience matters less than quality of team mate.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Huge!

    A superstar!

    Noone said that, of course:

    Benson > Lind

    Bouchad > Juolevi

    This “conversation” started with you talking about Lind being a top 6 player and Juolevi as a propsect of interest – the Oilers comparables were used to show your absolute bias as between prospects on these two teams.

  102. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: Huge!

    A superstar!

    Congrats Bro!

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Travis Hamonic has opted out…..

  104. Munny says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Aren’t FAs a thing of the past?

    Nope. We will be looking at a couple this off-season in fact.

  105. Harpers Hair says:

    Hamonic opts out.

  106. jp says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Aren’t FAs a thing of the past? Pain pain pain.

    Cheaper FAs are important too though.

    Good teams get the luxury of decent players for really cheap sometimes, and having the top 2 scoring players in the league won’t hurt either.

    A playoff run AND the top 2 scorers means a Joe Thornton or a Mark Recchi or a Brad Richards might be willing to sign for $1M. And even the guys who should be making $1M are more interested in a stint in Edmonton.

    Being a place players want to go is good business, if you can pull it off.

  107. Side says:

    N64: What won’t come.

    Well first he has to lose, which is a given based on his betting record.

    Then he good griefs all day and night until he finds a flimsy excuse to back out of it.

  108. Material Elvis says:

    Harpers Hair: Really?

    Top 10 NHL defensemen.

    Carlson

    Josi

    Hedman

    DeAngelo

    Hughes

    Pietrangelo

    Makar

    Krug

    Suter

    Theodore

    I’d rather have Ivan Provorov, Seth Jones, and Miro Heiskenen than four of the names on your list. Maybe Werenski, too.

  109. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, his original statement was objectively false and I’m not sure why he’d doubling down on it when provided with the evidence.

    I believe it is called narcissism. Some people can never be wrong.

  110. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Travis Hamonic has opted out…..

    Family considerations. That’s how they got TH. So an extra reason to respect that.

    ~ Gary sent the Flames the template ~

    “While we will miss ________ in our line-up, we understand and respect his decision. Our focus remains on preparation for training camp and our upcoming series in the NHL Qualifying Round”

    I don’t think the ratification % will have anything to do with the opt out rate. I think guys will come for their teams and only opt out for strong personal reasons, not based on their vote.

  111. €√¥£€^$ says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Travis Hamonic has opted out…..

    Ken Campbell with a Bad Hot Take, lol

    https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/how-many-nhlers-will-opt-out-of-the-playoffs-try-zero

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