Burn Down The Mission

One thing is certain: There’s work to do. Ken Holland and Dave Tippett enter the offseason with a great deal more certainty about what works and what is needed before the 2020-21 season begins and will refine the roster with that in mind. I will have a piece up at The Athletic about my thoughts on the series later today but much of the future as I see it is here and I do have some overall thoughts at the bottom of today’s discussion.

First, let’s talk about something that is mere hours away and could impact Edmonton in a big way. The draft lottery goes Monday at 4 Edmonton time, and it is possible, amazing as it may be, that this team could win another lottery. Edmonton has chosen first overall four times: 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2015. Is there another one to come?

THE ATHLETIC!

Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. I am proud to be part of The Athletic. Here are the most recent Oilers stories.

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The Oilers have some disappointing lessons to learn — even in season of progress
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Replacing Tyler Ennis: Ranking the best left wing and backfill Oilers options
  • New Lowetide: Oilers’ Andreas Athanasiou gets a push against ‘Hawks. Is it enough?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Bang for your buck: Ranking the Oilers based on contract expectations
  • Jonathan Willis: Is Philip Broberg on track to be a top-pairing defenceman?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s roster construction options over the next five months

OILERS MOCK

If my math is right (a rare thing) the Oilers will pick either No. 1 or No. 14 overall in the first round. If that is the case, and assuming Edmonton chooses to keep its own third-round selection in 2020, the picks will be Nos 14, 82, 144, 175 and 206. I think there’s a chance Ken Holland trades down in the first round. For the mock draft below, I’ll project Holland trading No. 14 to the Ottawa Senators for No. 20 and No. 64 overall. Here’s the mock.

No. 20 overall: RW Jacob Perreault, Sarnia OHL (5.11, 182). Central Scouting via NHL.com: Strong skater with great balance. Hard, accurate shote that jumps off his stick. A dangerous shooter who can score from multiple areas of the ice. An intelligent player that puts himself in good positions to get scoring chances. Natural goal scorer. Brock Boeser listed as the comparable.

No. 64 overall: RC Jack Finley, Spokane WHL (6.06, 213). Central Scouting via NHL.com: Big body center who pays attention to details. Very good in the faceoff circle. Uses his reach and his range very well in both offensive and defensive situations. Brian Boyle listed as the comparable.

No. 82 overall: LD Anton Johannesson, HV 71 SuperElite (5.09, 144). Small puck mover is a wizard, could be a steal. His totals (20, 8-16-24) are exceptional, he is a dynamic player.

No. 144 overall: LW Yevgeni Oksentyuk, Flint OHL (5.08, 163). He turns 20 in February. Oksentyuk is a fine prospect, aggressive and speedy with a great shot.

No. 175 overall: G Sam Hlavaj, Sherbroke Phoenix QMJHL (6.04, 218). Boasts a .915 save percentage. Slovak goalie is an actual giant who (according to Red Line) is ‘scrambly like Spiderman’.

No. 206 overall: LC Daniel Ljungman, Linkoping SuperElite. (6.01, 161) Emerged from nowhere at the Hlinka Gretzky. Great release. He’s an April 2002.

PROSPECT NHLE’S

WINNING THE LOTTERY

I’ve seen a few ‘the shame of it all’ tweets and a surprising number of ‘trade the pick!’ tweets since last night’s loss. Both are wrongheaded.

Edmonton wins the lottery, you celebrate. The Oilers draft Alexis Lafreniere and add another skill piece at a controlled cost for three years. No brainer. Guilt? Screw that noise.

Trade the pick? Also crazy. Lafreniere could be one of the faces of the franchise. We don’t know what the future holds, but adding another elite piece who could be under control for as many as 11 years would appear to be the easiest decision since breathing.

ABOUT LAST NIGHT

I know Oilers fans are unhappy today. Understandable. It was frustrating to watch, the entire series was like a singer who begins in the wrong key and can’t get back on track for the entire song. Edmonton took forever to adjust, the things that worked for Dave Tippett in the regular season would not rhyme against Chicago.

All I want to say here is that, bottom line, there is nothing to be gained by doing anything rash or bold after these four games. Breathe in, breathe out small sample size. Breathe in, breathe out the ‘Hawks were a better team than their record implied. Breathe in, breathe out the too many men is going to live with you forever and that’s something you’re going to have to live with, friend.

Much was accomplished this season, it’s important to remember the progress of January-March, and to keep in mind the random nature of the bubble playoffs.

I think Oilers fans should be happy that Ken Holland is in charge of the club this morning, as a measured approach after the Chicago series is best. And no, they shouldn’t fire the coach.

Edmonton accomplished a lot in the 2019-20 season, led by the emergence of Ethan Bear, Kailer Yamamoto and Caleb Jones from the minors.

The club finished second in the Pacific Division, 37-25-9 with the top power play and the second best penalty kill. What’s more the team’s even-strength goal share was 48 percent, an improvement in what has been a difficult area.

Leon Draisaitl had a Hart Trophy season, Connor McDavid was brilliant despite the marathon run after a summer of rehab and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins had his best (in my opinion) all around season. Yamamoto gave the skill lines a fourth member, filling the Jordan Eberle role after his recall.

The Oilers were the better team last night. Doesn’t matter. The club has flaws and they were on display in the series, plus losing your shutdown blue (Adam Larsson) is a big blow.

I’ll write on this later today but this team made significant progress in 2019-20, solving problems with drafted players who came through the system. The one thing you can hold on to this morning: The needs are obvious, the way is clear, and the Oilers have veteran men in management and coaching.

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  1. Rondo says:

    Wouldn’t Oilers pick #15 if Pitt wins the lottery?

  2. Ben says:

    Biggest areas of need:

    1) A reliable partner for Koskinen
    2) A legit RH 3C
    3) A Hoffman for 97’s line
    4) A summer camp with Barry Trotz where the team’s forwards learn not to leave guys alone in front of our net

  3. innercitysmytty says:

    On point across the board LT! I view this season as a success based on the first 71 games regardless of the result in these “playoffs.” A few minor tweaks, including a better backup and we’ll be a strong team next year. The first overall would be gravy, however unlikely.

  4. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Fix. The. Bottom. Six.

    That is all.

  5. innercitysmytty says:

    Rondo:
    Wouldn’t Oilers pick #15 if Pitt wins the lottery?

    Exactly correct. So 1, 14, 15 are the oilers possible selection.

  6. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    “It was frustrating to watch, the entire series was like a singer who begins in the wrong key and can’t get back on track for the entire song.”

    Beauty. That is worth a trip for me to paypal 🙂

    Thanks LT.

  7. Reja says:

    One of Larsson Kelfbom or Nurse has to go bye-bye get something of value. Russell also has to go but unfortunately even after his bonus was payed no one wants him you could add 3 more teams to the league and we still couldn’t get rid of him. What a brain dead contract by the ex agent Peter The Great. We need a D coach that teaches D how to clear front of net and being on the right side of the man also the back door play where opposition player is relaxing in the slot waiting patiently for a pass. Did one of our D give a face wash are lay a hit on any Chi-town players they were MIA. The D can now relax and play fortnight with each other for 5 months possibly longer.

  8. DBO says:

    Disappoint we never advanced. But ok with the growth this year. And remember, no one is better, in league history, of winning lotteries!!

    1. Ennis on the cheap is the smartest play cap wise for a winger for McDavid.
    2. I’d walk away from Athanasiou. Won’t happen, but id rather trade him for a 2nd or 3rd then keep him at $3 million.
    3. Russell or Neal have to go. Actually liked both these playoffs. But cap wise one of them need to go so we can address biggest need
    4. Biggest need is 3C with Some two way acumen. Sheahan is a good 4th liner. Haas is a good 4th liner. Maybe Marody steps into that role, but right now this is our biggest need
    5. Better backup goalie who can compete for the number 1 in next 2 years.

  9. 12 percent body fat says:

    To do list

    Jones is as good as nurse, trade nurse before the league realizes how bad he is,

    Russel out for anything, just don’t retain too much

    Find a way to move neal, tough job, but stranger things have happened

    Larsson is too slow, get our two seconds back for him

    Benning is lost on the depth chart, if he takes a big pay cut keep him if not gone. Tight cap world, he might have too.

    Chiasson out, get anything back you can.

    Khiara out, it surprises me when replacement or meandering players get overpaid, they don’t stay in the league long. Value players tend to stick around longer. Hoe many more games does Gagner play if he was 2m or less

    Now the hard part.

    Convince hall to sign here, don’t need if you win lottery

    Convince pietrangelo to sign here

    Sign perry to replace Chiasson, both are slower, but perry pedigree and ability to win could help

    Sign veteran cheap lhd for one year as a place holder.

    Use newly acquired assets From a nurse Larsson trade to pry sundqvist away from blues

    Mcd laf kassian
    Drai nuge yamo
    Benson sund perry
    Nygaard haas archibald
    Sheehan

    Klef pietrangelo
    Jones bear
    Vet Bouchard
    Lags

    In system, McLeod lavoie maksimov broberg jp berglund samurakov

  10. jtblack says:

    “the picks will be Nos 14, 82, 144, 175 and 206.”

    Holland needs to add more picks. 2 in the top 144 won’t suffice. A trade down would be interesting, not sure if Edm has done that before ….

  11. Buddy says:

    Other than the top 3 forwards no one looked like a keeper for next season, but I’d hesitate to draw too many conclusions. The lay-off sewered the season for us. We were playing well in March, but played preseason hockey when the playoffs finally started.

  12. unca miltie says:

    What a mess the 50/50 is. still no ticket winner announced. lots of people including myself had their credit card time out and so resubmitted. Now got charged several times. According to the Journal, many people asking for refunds, Cant be too hard on the foundation, isn’t a normal one around $100,000 and this one is now $15,000,000. no one could have prepared for that jump in volume.

  13. Bag of Pucks says:

    Holland is known for giving older goaltenders a chance and having success with it.

    With the Preds going to Saros for the play-in, I wonder if Ken would kick the tires on Rinne? It sounds like something the Dutchman would do.

    This team reminds me of the Kings before Carter, Richards and Quick. They’ve got the core but they need some big finishing pieces to push it over the top.

    Hall, McDavid and possibly Draisaitl win the Hart and the Oilers have 0 Cups to show for it. Crazy.

  14. dustrock says:

    We knew Holland would be better than Chiarelli but I would have done better too. An old potato or Steve Tambellini would have done better.

    He signed Kassian to an extension that was ridiculous at the time and is only more laughable now, when he knew this team was up against the cap and had some tough decisions to make.

    He traded two 2nds for a guy who will be playing in Europe in 2 years.

    He signed a backup (?) goaltender who was clearly past his prime because he’s buds with the new coach.

    When it looked like LHD was sorted for some time he drafted Broberg when our forward prospects cupboard is bare. Granted that may help the team down the line but a Zegras or Caulfield would likely be helping more quickly.

    Getting guys he knows like Green and AA and Sheahan is another red flag for me.

    I think he’s a competent manager, but he still fits into the OBC of Nicholson and Team Canada.

    As far as Tippett goes, I’d be asking some questions about the 5v5 performance all year long, and if he hadn’t lucked into the 93-29-56 line dominating the NHL for 2 months, not sure the team performance would look as good.

    I would be asking Tippett why Chicago had our number during the regular season, how they managed to (kinda) shut down McDavid, and why he didn’t have any answers for Chicago after the first 5 minutes of Game 1. No adjustments.

    The roster we’ve talked about many times, I’ve suggested trading Nurse for 3 years now, I suggested trading Larsson in 2018 because his back was not magically going to get better.

    You could see the forwards didn’t trust the d-men to do their jobs, which is exactly what happened to Draisaitl on Kubalik’s goal. If he trusts his d-man, he stays with his own mark and that goal doesn’t happen.

    Was half-joking on twitter about having PTSD from the Eakins/Scrivens/Swarm era but that’s how exposed we looked this series.

    I’m half-glad they got kicked to the curb now because winning 1 of 4 games against the Hawks makes their inadequacies harder to hide.

  15. Kert says:

    Anyone think Sam Gagner as an Oiler would have had a bigger impact on these playoffs than Andreas Athanasiou did as an Oiler?

  16. PREDICKTER says:

    Well I guess that we should find out if Bobby Nicks was lying to us about the water in Edmonton.
    Can a team win the cup with Edmonton water?
    Is it just drinking it or also bathing in it?
    Are any teams importing water in to the hub?

    Also a big fuck you Oilers. Been a fan since day 1 and this is the most pissed off I’ve been.

  17. Bag of Pucks says:

    I’ve now watched the GWG from multiple angles and it’s fairly evident that Kubalik was Yamamoto’s missed assignment. I’m not trying to throw the youngster under the bus here. Mistakes happen.

    I’m just seeing a lot of criticism for Draisaitl being “also in photo” on the Toews passout, when the big C is clearly tasked with defending the slot and D support while Kailer is tasked with marking the W.

    If we’re being fair, Bear, Yamamoto, Draisaitl, and Koskinen all made mistakes on that play. Let’s avoid the temptation to pin it on one player.

  18. Reja says:

    Trade one of the D Larsson, kelfbom, Nurse and Jesse for a pick and player. We sure are missing a pest the only player that was getting under the skin of Chi-Town was Neal what a fuking disgrace. Chicago is going into round one with Zero injuries and the Oilers are giving excuses again is this the team we want to be Kass and Khaira should be embarrassed among others.

  19. godot10 says:

    Nurse, like Jeff Petry, is not a perfect defensemen. But trading him now, as he is entering his prime, would be like trading Jeff Petry all over again.

    Teams that are contenders have a core of players aged 25-29. Superstars have a couple more years on either end.

    The OIlers have NOT had a core of players aged 25-29 since 2006.

    Klefbom and Nurse are not perfect, but they are essential to competing and contending over the next two to three years.

  20. jtblack says:

    not sure who was better in the series. Debrincat or Benson? 🙁

  21. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10,

    Flawed premise.

    Any player is tradeable provided the return is equal or better.

    Nurse is hardly untouchable.

  22. Rich M says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Rinne fell off a cliff last season, starting with the Calgary OT loss on Halloween. His reflexes are not what they were and he turns 38 before the season starts. Hard pass.

  23. Younger Oil says:

    Just saw a post that makes the loss feel even worse:

    A deep playoff run likely would have raised $100-$200M for charity in 50/50 money (at $5-$10M per game, ~20 games)

  24. Rich M says:

    godot10:
    Nurse, like Jeff Petry, is not a perfect defensemen.But trading him now, as he is entering his prime,would be like trading Jeff Petry all over again.

    Teams that are contenders have a core of players aged 25-29.Superstars have a couple more years on either end.

    The OIlers have NOT had a core of players aged 25-29 since 2006.

    Klefbom and Nurse are not perfect, but they are essential to competing and contending over the next two to three years.

    It would be so OBC to see the Oilers trade these guys as the enter/are in their prime.

    Glad Holland is in charge. There is still work to be done, but the team made strides this year and that’s a good sign. Our host’s comments are worth heeding.

  25. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I’ve now watched the GWG from multiple angles and it’s fairly evident that Kubalik was Yamamoto’s missed assignment. I’m not trying to throw the youngster under the bus here. Mistakes happen.

    I’m just seeing a lot of criticism for Draisaitl being “also in photo” on the Toews passout, when the big C is clearly tasked with defending the slot and D support while Kailer is tasked with marking the W.

    If we’re being fair, Bear, Yamamoto, Draisaitl, and Koskinen all made mistakes on that play. Let’s avoid the temptation to pin it on one player.

    When Bear is in a one on one battle with Toews in the corner, someone should be coming to help a lot sooner.

    As the play developed, Draisaitl ended up covering Kubalik and Yamamoto nobody. Draisaitl recognized Bear was losing the battle to Toews but left too late, and got caught in no mans land.

    If he stays with Kubalik, Toews takes the puck to the net, and probably scores.

    Draisaitl and Yamamoto have to recognize the situation faster, and act sooner. Either rotate coverage. Draisaitl help Bear sooner, and Yamamoto take Kubalik. Or Yamamoto has to recognize that he is covering air, and go help Bear in the corner.

    The effective cycling by Chicago on that play broke down the Oilers coverage where a lost board battle by Bear, would create Toews in alone on the goaltender or a two on one, Toews and Kubalik on Draisaitl. i.e. The cycling took Yamamoto out of the play, Then one lost battle, created a mismatch in numbers.

  26. Bag of Pucks says:

    Rich M:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Rinne fell off a cliff last season, starting with the Calgary OT loss on Halloween.His reflexes are not what they were and he turns 38 before the season starts.Hard pass.

    Agreed. i’m not advocating for signing aging goalies. Just speculating on what Holland is likely to do based on his history. Vernon. Hasek. Osgood. Smith. He’s gone to the well multiple times with creaky tenders.

  27. JimmyV1965 says:

    12 percent body fat:
    To do list

    Jones is as good as nurse, trade nurse before the league realizes how bad he is,

    Russel out for anything, just don’t retain too much

    Find a way to move neal, tough job, but stranger things have happened

    Larsson is too slow, get our two seconds back for him

    Benning is lost on the depth chart, if he takes a big pay cut keep him if not gone. Tight cap world, he might have too.

    Chiasson out, get anything back you can.

    Khiara out, it surprises me when replacement or meandering players get overpaid, they don’t stay in the league long.Value players tend to stick around longer.Hoe many more games does Gagner play if he was 2m or less

    Now the hard part.

    Convince hall to sign here, don’t need if you win lottery

    Convince pietrangelo to sign here

    Sign perry to replace Chiasson, both are slower, but perry pedigree and ability to win could help

    Sign veteran cheap lhd for one year as a place holder.

    Use newly acquired assets From a nurse Larsson trade to pry sundqvist away from blues

    Mcd laf kassian
    Drai nuge yamo
    Benson sund perry
    Nygaard haas archibald
    Sheehan

    Klef pietrangelo
    Jones bear
    Vet Bouchard
    Lags

    In system, McLeod lavoie maksimov broberg jp berglund samurakov

    The Pietrangelo signing will be the worst of the off season. Someone will sign the 30 year old to a seven year deal at 9 mill + and regret it in two years.

  28. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    godot10,

    Flawed premise.

    Any player is tradeable provided the return is equal or better.

    Nurse is hardly untouchable.

    The Oilers got the better player in Visnovsky. LA got the Cups, because Greene and Stoll were just entering their prime.

    One cannot win with a donut hole in the roster between 25 and 29. Those guys also bridge the generation gap between the 30-something guys and the rookies.

    The Oilogosphere sees only the flaws of the 25 year olds that the Oilers develop, and want them gone, when the right thing to do is keep them.

    This has been the fundamental mistake of the 15 years of darkness, starting with Stoll and Greene, Pitkanen, Gilbert, Petry, Eberle, Hall, etc.

  29. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10,

    Good analysis. I saw it the same way. Koskinen was also slow to come out and was slouching rather than standing tall.

    The play was a microcosm of the series. Oilers on their heels. Slow to react. Losing puck battles. Poor zone coverage.

    Throw in mediocre goaltending, undisciplined penalties, and questionable coaching decisions, and it’s remarkable it was as competitive as it was. Thank Gord for #97 & #29.

  30. Younger Oil says:

    Regarding Nurse, I’ve been pretty outspoken that the team overrates him, and his two year “bridge” contract is an egregious overpay for what he brings to the table. If you were to make a list of the top 100 defencemen in the NHL, I would be shocked if he made it, but he’s getting paid like he’s in the Top 50. He’s not a top pairing defender. Jeff Petry was much, much better than Nurse was during his time in Edmonton, and did it with a much worse supporting cast.

    The scary part is, there’s no guarantee that either Bouchard or Broberg will be better than him. They were drafted lower. We think help is on the way, but it may not be.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Kurt Leavins: “The sun came up this morning”.

    How disappointing – we all agree on that.

    Lets not forget a key concept of this blog: don’t put too much in to small samples.

    4 games in August after 4-5 months off – that is the smallest of all samples.

    Lack of effort, urgency and give a fuck is clearly a concern but we know that Klefbom and Larsson and Nurse are no inferior d-men to Kris Russell even though that is what this series showed us.

    I don’t believe Ken Holland is going to put too much in to a small sample and panic and blow things up in any way. He’s not going to buy out Mikko Koskinen and look to trade Nurse based on the last week.

    He may be “happy” that he didn’t commit term to Nurse but will EXPECT him to be better in the 2021 playoffs – we ALL do.

    Anyways – disappointing way to end the “season” but, yup, the sun came up again this morning, I was still able to get a good workout in, I have a job/career and work to do this weekend and a beautiful wife.

    Life is still good.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    I will maybe be a bit “embarassed” if the Oilers win the lottery on Monday but damn will I ever take it.

    its more likely that the Oilers draft at 14 and, damn, that’s a different level of prospect than 20-22, isn’t it?

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    “If my math is right (a rare thing) the Oilers will pick either No. 1 or No. 14 overall in the first round.”

    – or 15, if Pit wins the lottery.

  34. JimmyV1965 says:

    Holland did a masterful job at the trade deadline. It actually convinced me that he may be a decent GM. Trading two seconds for AA was brilliant. Bringing in Ennis and Green for pennies was fabulous. Interesting that Holland is being criticized for the AA trade now. My only concern with Holland going forward is free agent signings. He has a history of bad signings and the Kass signing was bad. I think I’ve earned the right to say that because I argued he needed to be traded last summer because that signing was destined to be ugly for any GM.

  35. Material Elvis says:

    Kert:
    Anyone think Sam Gagner as an Oiler would have had a bigger impact on these playoffs than Andreas Athanasiou did as an Oiler?

    He would have been better than many Oilers on the roster. AA wasn’t the worst by a country mile. Kassian was putrid, Sheahan awful, Khaira meh, Yamamoto mediocre. Too many passengers.

  36. Eh Team says:

    Well that sucks but we weren’t in a position to win the Cup this year anyway Too many flaws. Goaltending below average, not enough skilled forwards and lack of top end d’man.

    We have 4 top 6 forwards and enough other forwards to have a good 4th line, Nothing in between. And a Jeff Petry short of having a competent defensive unit (thanks, McT).

    On the positive note, we found that Bear Jones and Yamo this year are core pieces going forward. Next year Bouchard and Benson need to show the same.

    Holland is a step up from the total incompetence we have had running the show. NHL team management as a whole is generally pathethic. Tallon, here’s looking at you. Chiarelli. Benning in Vancouver. You could go on and on.

    But GMs need to stop signing marginal 3rd and 4th liners to $ and term. How hard is that? That would solve most teams issues. Thankfully the flat cap will put an end to that practice.

    So, many teams are like the Oilers. Half of a good team, half a bunch of plumbers getting paid too much. Vancouver is exactly the same but they have a good goalie.

    It should be easy to move up in the NHL as the bar is so low. A team with some competence and a plan should be a consistent contender.

  37. godot10 says:

    I actually saw some potential for Athanasiou, He had a lot of try, but had a lot of bad luck. Too bad he will cost $3 million. He was not worth two 2nd round picks though.

    I think he is a guy who can push possession on the third line.

  38. godot10 says:

    Why would the Holland trade down if he can get Mavrik Bourque at 14 or 15?

  39. Munny says:

    Well at least now our thoughts can turn to the home team climbing its way up the CFL standings…

  40. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: The Oilers got the better player in Visnovsky.LA got the Cups, because Greene and Stoll were just entering their prime.

    One cannot win with a donut hole in the roster between 25 and 29.Those guys also bridge the generation gap between the 30-something guys and the rookies.

    The Oilogosphere sees only the flaws of the 25 year olds that the Oilers develop, and want them gone, when the right thing to do is keep them.

    This has been the fundamental mistake of the 15 years of darkness, starting with Stoll and Greene, Pitkanen, Gilbert, Petry, Eberle, Hall, etc.

    You trade two emerging players for one aging vet, you lose the trade, regardless of whether Vish was the best player in that moment.

    You continually cite past Oiler trades as reasons for not trading players of a certain age. The flaw in your premise is inferring that all GMs are as incompetent as Lowe, McTavish, et al.

    Jack Johnson for Jeff Carter was a good trade for the Kings, and Johnson was exactly the age D you’re claiming is untouchable.

  41. Rich M says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I hear you. There are a number of UFA goalies out there, but money is limited. I wonder if Holland will look at a known commodity (Jimmy Howard) or go elsewhere.

    Seems like it would be time to move on from Mike Smith.

  42. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I’ve now watched the GWG from multiple angles and it’s fairly evident that Kubalik was Yamamoto’s missed assignment. I’m not trying to throw the youngster under the bus here. Mistakes happen.

    I’m just seeing a lot of criticism for Draisaitl being “also in photo” on the Toews passout, when the big C is clearly tasked with defending the slot and D support while Kailer is tasked with marking the W.

    If we’re being fair, Bear, Yamamoto, Draisaitl, and Koskinen all made mistakes on that play. Let’s avoid the temptation to pin it on one player.

    Koskinnen needed to make the save. End of story. It was basically the only scoring chance he faced the entire period. Players make mistakes. Dmen make mistakes. The goalie needs to make the save. It was a good shot but entirely saveable.

  43. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10:
    Nurse, like Jeff Petry, is not a perfect defensemen.But trading him now, as he is entering his prime,would be like trading Jeff Petry all over again.

    Teams that are contenders have a core of players aged 25-29.Superstars have a couple more years on either end.

    The OIlers have NOT had a core of players aged 25-29 since 2006.

    Klefbom and Nurse are not perfect, but they are essential to competing and contending over the next two to three years.

    +1000

  44. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    “4 games in August after 4-5 months off – that is the smallest of all samples.”

    Let’s look at a Larger sample perhaps.

    No playoffs in 12 of the last 13 YEARS. Large enough?

  45. Ice Sage says:

    Here’s hoping the Oilers don’t play in August again, their winning percentage is awful

  46. JimmyV1965 says:

    Khaira is almost totally useless 5 x 5. He scored six goals this year and four of them were in a five game span in November. Patrick Russell brings way more energy to the game and he’s basically no worse 5 x 5. No offence OP, but if I hear what an elite PK player he is one more time, I’m going to puke in my mouth.

  47. Doug McLachlan says:

    innercitysmytty,

    #1 12.5%
    #14 75%
    #15 12.5%

  48. Lowetide says:

    I think we’re back sorry for the time outs.

  49. Munny says:

    jtblack:
    OriginalPouzar,

    “4 games in August after 4-5 months off – that is the smallest of all samples.”

    Let’s look at a Larger sample perhaps.

    No playoffs in 12 of the last 13 YEARS.Large enough?

    You want to apply a 13 yr sample to this year’s roster, coach and GM?

  50. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10:
    I actually saw some potential for Athanasiou,He had a lot of try, but had a lot of bad luck.Too bad he will cost $3 million.He was not worth two 2nd round picks though.

    I think he is a guy who can push possession on the third line.

    I thought he played well last night again, getting to the right spots, making plays. But he looks like a guy with zero confidence, gripping his stick too tight and flubbing easy gimme passes and shots. I kept thinking just get that first goal and the rest will follow.

  51. Tarkus says:

    Rich M:
    Bag of Pucks,

    I hear you.There are a number of UFA goalies out there, but money is limited.I wonder if Holland will look at a known commodity (Jimmy Howard) or go elsewhere.

    Seems like it would be time to move on from Mike Smith.

    With that in mind:

    If the Oilers pick at 14 or 15, should they consider the goalie Askarov?

    Subpar WJHC aside, he’s the most highly-touted goalie since Carey Price, he who almost single-handedly ousted the Pens.

    Yay or nyet?

  52. Richard Roma says:

    dustrock,

    Really, the Oilers have a litany of problems as you’ve aptly pointed out.

    Holland is showing that he hasn’t learned from his Detroit days in terms of giving dollars and term to aging players on the decline (Kassian, Chiasson).

    There’s an abundance of bad salary on the team in a tight cap world (Neal, Chiasson, Kassian, Russell, and arguably Koskinen).

    We need a better starter than Koskinen, that’s cheaper and requires little to no assets to acquire… in other words, good luck.

    We don’t always have a top four d because Larsson and Klefbom are somewhat injury prone. I’m not sure how much longer Larsson will still remain a top four d in this league with his skating.

    The drop off to Russell playing on the right side is real and spectacular. You wonder why Tippett doesn’t just move Benning up.

    You really need a RHS d that you can move up the lineup instead of Russling it.

    Overall, the blueline lacks a true number one and the top four doesn’t rate well vs other top teams.

    Nurse is going to want to be paid more than he’s worth and that’s a big problem.

    The bottom six forwards are expensive and a black hole.

    Teams like Tampa field a 4rth line that costs under $3.5 m total.

    We paid too much for AA and he’s going to be too expensive for what he brings.

    As always, we don’t have enough top six players.

    Obviously with our core and decent goaltending, this should be a playoff team next year, but the problems with the roster are difficult to fix.

    Holland has to stop digging, which he hasn’t.

  53. leadfarmer says:

    Tarkus: With that in mind:

    If the Oilers pick at 14 or 15, should they consider the goalie Askarov?

    Subpar WJHC aside, he’s the most highly-touted goalie since Carey Price, he who almost single-handedly ousted the Pens.

    Yay or nyet?

    Absolutely
    I buyout Neal and use that money to bring in Lehner for 4 years. He can mentor Askarov in 3 years
    As expected some teams just did not put in the work to be ready to play and unfortunately that was us.

    Also I was a huge supporter of Petry back in the day, and was one of only ones to wonder why he didn’t get to pp. I don’t see the same with Nurse. Not a player I break the bank for. Meh defensively. Not a good passer. That 10 foot outlet pass miss was bad but not uncharacteristic for him. 5 mil fine. Over 6? Nope nope nope. I don’t think he’s improved with time either.

    How the heck did AA score 30 goals a year ago. I thought we overplayed on trade deadline day but holy crap we got 2 points in 13 games and one goal. Stone hands could have put us up. Sunk cost now. Maybe a decent 3c and JP on other side will make a decent 3rd line and get some value back.

    Kassian is asking to be first player to be bought out without having started their contract.

  54. striker says:

    PREDICKTER: Been a fan since day 1 and this is the most pissed off I’ve been.

    Recency bias?

  55. Richard Roma says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Khaira is almost totally useless 5 x 5.He scored six goals this year and four of them were in a five game span in November. Patrick Russell brings way more energy to the game and he’s basically no worse 5 x 5.No offence OP, but if I hear what an elite PK player he is one more time, I’m going to puke in my mouth.

    Patrick Russell should never see NHL ice again, sadly.

  56. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10:
    Nurse, like Jeff Petry, is not a perfect defensemen.But trading him now, as he is entering his prime,would be like trading Jeff Petry all over again.

    Teams that are contenders have a core of players aged 25-29.Superstars have a couple more years on either end.

    The OIlers have NOT had a core of players aged 25-29 since 2006.

    Klefbom and Nurse are not perfect, but they are essential to competing and contending over the next two to three years.

    Jones is better than Nurse right now IMO overall.

    Nurse is built for an era of hockey that no longer exists. Players that can’t pass the puck, especially D, we as done as players like Lucic.

    If you can’t goon and obstruct people the need for so many big tough players is gone. Speed and skill are everything now.

    I’d trade Nurse for the Byfield pick if I could. I see Laf for sure, Stutzle and Byfield as havind a very strong chance of playing next season. On merit.

    Right wing for McDavid or 3C.

  57. MushedPeas says:

    A good bit of Fire The Mall in the comment section today, but we’ve been there done that.

    On a related note, Nurse:
    1. Is a useful player
    2. Is overrated
    3. Has an agent pushing for 1st tier compensation, which Nurse simply does not deserve.

    The window for avoiding an overpay on Nurse has closed (Thanks Pete), leaving two outcomes as I see it: Trade Nurse for value (Ken will find it), or commit to once again limiting roster options thanks to overpayment à la KRussell, Kass, Koskinen, etc.

    Maybe Oil can grind Nurse down. I don’t see it.

  58. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965: The Pietrangelo signing will be the worst of the off season. Someone will sign the 30 year old to a seven year deal at 9 mill + and regret it in two years.

    With Bouchard and Bro coming soon that would be a very dumb long term cap hit.

    He also doesn’t play toughs well anymore. Which is what is needed.

  59. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Mr Spector saying the Oilers lacked ‘toughness’ is bizarre. Maybe not a great choice of words by him, but that is the oldest trope in the book when teams lose.

    Too much toughness maybe. Not enough skating and skill.

  60. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Sad sick thought to add salt into the Oilers wounds

    I hope they don’t spend too much time thinking of Tckachuk’s hairy ass and ball sack sitting on their seats in their home dressing room.

    Maybe things like that can help motivate them next time.

  61. godot10 says:

    Tarkus: With that in mind:

    If the Oilers pick at 14 or 15, should they consider the goalie Askarov?

    Subpar WJHC aside, he’s the most highly-touted goalie since Carey Price, he who almost single-handedly ousted the Pens.

    Yay or nyet?

    I vote NAY.

  62. Jaxon says:

    If they pick#1, I’d go Byfield over Lafreniere (bigger, faster, younger, plays C, high hockey IQ, just as much offence). If they pick #14 or #15, I’d consider goalie Askarov, but I’d probably go with Connor Zary (goal scoring C for 3rd line with Benson), then Seth Jarvis, then Braden Schneider.

  63. Jaxon says:

    How much would Holtby sign for?

  64. godot10 says:

    Jaxon:
    How much would Holtby sign for?

    Braden Holtby hasn’t been mediocre since he won the Cup. Why would one pay up for that?

  65. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    So many frustrating examples of team not able to get out of own way.

    An important lesson that could be learned for next year is – when you find chemsitry with lines (not just pairs!), stick with it, or at least go back to it frequently.

    The most obvious example is
    RNH-Drai-KY
    Fairly decent sample size, would have been nice to battle test in playoff conditions. Maybe next year.

    But also
    Neal-JJ-Chia
    Reasonable sample size and success for what they were being asked to do. Should not have split them up with the Ennis injury.

    After struggling since he got here, AA had his best game driving the 3rd line. Small sample size, but it was working so if it ain’t broke, why fix it??

    After the injury to Ennis the lines should have been
    Nyg/Haas-McD-Kass (he had served time off the line and should have been given a second chance, if not showing early swap him again with Archi
    Dynamite line
    AA-She-Arch
    Neal-JJ-Chia

  66. godot10 says:

    Lafreniere, Neal, Kassian, and Koskinen for Carey Price

    Would you do it?

  67. oilersfan says:

    The second Chicago goal… has anybody noticed that Bear was five feet away from the goal scorer… the man standing to the right of the goalie …where Bear should have been …

    And Carey price’s contract is an albatross of course no to trading Lafreniere for it !

  68. oilersfan says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Spector is such a hack. I can’t believe he still has a job. Always poor insight and analysis. Total Meathead

  69. leadfarmer says:

    godot10:
    Lafreniere, Neal, Kassian, and Koskinen for Carey Price

    Would you do it?

    Hell no.
    For a 33 goalie with an albatross contract

  70. oilersfan says:

    So who gets Chicago’s pick that would have been 10th?

    The hawks got so many advantages from this play in it’s ridiculous .

    I am good with the return to play because I understand how much money was at stake but the format wAs so poorly thought out compared to the NBA’s it’s ridiculous. Montreal and Chicago should
    Not have had an equal chance to earn in as Edmonton and Pittsburgh . Just ludicrous. The NBA continued the regular season with all the teams that had a chance to make the playoffs and shortened it a few games. That would have been so much easier and more fair to the teams 12 points up in the standings… and to top it off, it Chicago or Montreal had lost they would have still drafted 9th and 10th but Edmonton and Pittsburgh will draft 14 or 15 barring a lottery win?

    It’s almost as if the league cares more about the Montreal and Chicago markets! 😡

  71. Kraz says:

    godot10,

    This has to be top 10 worst trade proposals on this site

  72. Kraz says:

    I have a feeling Jones will pass Klefbom and Nurse by the end of next year

  73. oilersfan says:

    Also the lack of a preseason was huge… so many of the goals in these playoffs can be attributed to rust. The combination of no preseason, a small playoff earn in and the unfairness of not giving any real benefit to the teams higher up in the standings makes this such a piss off. I hope Katz and Mario Lemieux are screaming at Bettman and his sidekick today for their egregiously unfair system they developed.

  74. Harpers Hair says:

    Richard Roma:
    dustrock,

    Really, the Oilers have a litany of problems as you’ve aptly pointed out.

    Holland is showing that he hasn’t learned from his Detroit days in terms of giving dollars and term to aging players on the decline (Kassian, Chiasson).

    There’s an abundance of bad salary on the team in a tight cap world (Neal, Chiasson, Kassian, Russell, and arguably Koskinen).

    We need a better starter than Koskinen, that’s cheaper and requires little to no assets to acquire… in other words, good luck.

    We don’t always have a top four d because Larsson and Klefbom are somewhat injury prone. I’m not sure how much longer Larsson will still remain a top four d in this league with his skating.

    The drop off to Russell playing on the right side is real and spectacular. You wonder why Tippett doesn’t just move Benning up.

    You really need a RHS d that you can move up the lineup instead of Russling it.

    Overall, the blueline lacks a true number one and the top four doesn’t rate well vs other top teams.

    Nurse is going to want to be paid more than he’s worth and that’s a big problem.

    The bottom six forwards are expensive and a black hole.

    Teams like Tampa field a 4rth line that costs under $3.5 m total.

    We paid too much for AA and he’s going to be too expensive for what he brings.

    As always, we don’t have enough top six players.

    Obviously with our core and decent goaltending, this should be a playoff team next year, but the problems with the roster are difficult to fix.

    Holland has to stop digging, which he hasn’t.

    I’m surprised there hasn’t been a more thorough examination of Holland’s drafts in his last five years in Detroit.

    Lots of iffy selections with reasonably high picks throughout and an absolute whiff in 2018 when he picked Zadina one pick ahead of Quinn Hughes who was playing in his backyard at the University of Michigan.

    Not a real hit since 2014 with Dylan Larkin.

    It’s a pretty grim record.

  75. Woogie63 says:

    Before this fan base trades 3 young vets for a second and third, and selects the next guy we are running out of town, we are looking at you 4, 28,44. We must endure three weeks of anonymous sources telling TSN that McDavid is not happy and he wants out of Edmonton.

    Really people you should know the drill by now.

  76. oilersfan says:

    In the nba Phoenix was 8 points out of a spot. They have to win 7 out of 8 to get in the playoffs. And the 8th and 9th seed play a best of 3 … but for the 9th seed to win they have to win 2 in a row, if the 8th seed wins one before the 9th seed wins two the 8tth seed makes the playoffs.

    The nba made it extremely difficult for the lower seeded teams to make the playoffs, although not impossible. As of now Phoenix has won four in a row and are Alive.

    The lakers are 1-4 but will make the playoffs Anyway because of Their regular season.

    This is how theNHL should have done it. It was unfair to the point of being egregious. Throw in that the oilers lost that third round pick on top of all this garbage it’s like everything the league does hurts the oilers

  77. Harpers Hair says:

    oilersfan:
    So who gets Chicago’s pick that would have been 10th?

    The hawks got so many advantages from this play in it’s ridiculous .

    I am good with the return to play because I understand how much money was at stake but the format wAs so poorly thought out compared to the NBA’s it’s ridiculous. Montreal and Chicago should
    Not have had an equal chance to earn in as Edmonton and Pittsburgh . Just ludicrous. The NBA continued the regular season with all the teams that had a chance to make the playoffs and shortened it a few games. That would have been so much easier and more fair to the teams 12 points up in the standings… and to top it off, it Chicago or Montreal had lost they would have still drafted 9th and 10th but Edmonton and Pittsburgh will draft 14 or 15 barring a lottery win?

    It’s almost as if the league cares more about the Montreal and Chicago markets!

    Of course they do.

    This whole exercise is about recapturing lost revenue and that can only come from TV revenue which is maximized in large markets.

    The four largest TV markets in Canada are Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary and, if Toronto beats Columbus, Sportsnet will be in heaven.

    In the US, Chicago is a huge TV draw so you can imagine NBC is pretty happy today.

  78. Harpers Hair says:

    Woogie63:
    Before this fan base trades 3 young vets for a second and third, and selects the next guy we are running out of town, we are looking at you 4, 28,44.We must endure three weeks of anonymous sources telling TSN that McDavid is not happy and he wants out of Edmonton.

    Really people you should know the drill by now.

    I would be more worried about Nuge.

    He has an escape hatch opening in 11 months 5 of which he will spend back home on the coast.

  79. Rich M says:

    Tarkus,

    Nyet. There’s good skill available. Take your goalie later.

  80. norm_klassen says:

    The Oilers aren’t as a team good enough! Its futile to think a defense with Bear as #1 RD and no shutdown checking line can win in a playoff format
    i love the oilers but i am looking at the roster as a whole as unbalanced and a dogs breakfast in key positions
    Oilers still dont make decisions on the ice fast enough; and in a playoff series where exposed
    I move and see what Holland does in the off season to address team shortcomings.

  81. JimmyV1965 says:

    oilersfan:
    So who gets Chicago’s pick that would have been 10th?

    The hawks got so many advantages from this play in it’s ridiculous .

    I am good with the return to play because I understand how much money was at stake but the format wAs so poorly thought out compared to the NBA’s it’s ridiculous. Montreal and Chicago should
    Not have had an equal chance to earn in as Edmonton and Pittsburgh . Just ludicrous. The NBA continued the regular season with all the teams that had a chance to make the playoffs and shortened it a few games. That would have been so much easier and more fair to the teams 12 points up in the standings… and to top it off, it Chicago or Montreal had lost they would have still drafted 9th and 10th but Edmonton and Pittsburgh will draft 14 or 15 barring a lottery win?

    It’s almost as if the league cares more about the Montreal and Chicago markets! 😡

    The play in format did not benefit Chicago and Montreal. Those are two very bad teams. They need the high picks. In two weeks from now, fans from those two cities will be just as pissed as Edmonton fans are today. It’s one thing to beat the Oilers, it’s quite another to get rewarded for that effort by being matched up with Colorado or Vegas.

  82. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: I’m surprised there hasn’t been a more thorough examination of Holland’s drafts in his last five years in Detroit.

    Lots of iffy selections with reasonably high picks throughout and an absolute whiff in 2018 when he picked Zadina one pick ahead of Quinn Hughes who was playing in his backyard at the University of Michigan.

    Not a real hit since 2014 with Dylan Larkin.

    It’s a pretty grim record.

    Really didn’t like that he messed with amateur scouting
    That’s the one good thing he’s predecessor left him

  83. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: I would be more worried about Nuge.

    He has an escape hatch opening in 11 months 5 of which he will spend back home on the coast.

    I think you’re the only one concerned about this
    And by concerned I mean trolling

  84. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    godot10:
    Lafreniere, Neal, Kassian, and Koskinen for Carey Price

    Would you do it?

    Gee, I’m really bad on these multiple choice thingees … but If pressed I’ll go with “no'”. Now if you swap out Kassian for Nurse, I’m all in.

  85. leadfarmer says:

    Im hoping we get a better JP back next season.
    I’m guessing he got a lot of “you had a chance to play with Connor and Drai and you are pouting here?? You know what I would do for a chance to play with those two in the NHL”. Repeated by everybody
    You realize that chance may not come again.

    And please baby Jesus bring Lehner here. I want a guy that can clean up some of those defensive mistakes. A Neal buyout and letting Smith go should more than cover it

  86. Richard Roma says:

    Scungilli Slushy: oilers
      (Quote)  (Reply)

    HARPERS HAIR says:
    August 8, 2020 at 1:18 pm
    oilersfan:
    So who gets Chicago’s pick that would have been 10th?
    The hawks got so many advantages from this play in it’s ridiculous .
    I am good with the return to play because I understand how much money was at stake but the format wAs so poorly thought out compared to the NBA’s it’s ridiculous. Montreal and Chicago should
    Not have had an equal chance to earn in as Edmonton and Pittsburgh . Just ludicrous. The NBA continued the regular season with all the teams that had a chance to make the playoffs and shortened it a few games. That would have been so much easier and more fair to the teams 12 points up in the standings… and to top it off, it Chicago or Montreal had lost they would have still drafted 9th and 10th but Edmonton and Pittsburgh will draft 14 or 15 barring a lottery win?
    It’s almost as if the league cares more about the Montreal and Chicago markets!
    Of course they do.
    This whole exercise is about recapturing lost revenue and that can only come from TV revenue which is maximized in large markets.
    The four largest TV markets in Canada are Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary and, if Toronto beats Columbus, Sportsnet will be in heaven.
    In the US, Chicago is a huge TV draw so you can imagine NBC is pretty happy today.
      (Quote)  (Reply)

    HARPERS HAIR says:
    August 8, 2020 at 1:22 pm
    Woogie63:
    Before this fan base trades 3 young vets for a second and third, and selects the next guy we are running out of town, we are looking at you 4, 28,44.We must endure three weeks of anonymous sources telling TSN that McDavid is not happy and he wants out of Edmonton.
    Really people you should know the drill by now.
    I would be more worried about Nuge.
    He has an escape hatch opening in 11 months 5 of which he will spend back home on the coast.
      (Quote)  (Reply)

    RICH M says:
    August 8, 2020 at 1:26 pm
    Tarkus,
    Nyet. There’s good skill available. Take your goalie later.
      (Quote)  (Reply)

    NORM_KLASSEN says:
    August 8, 2020 at 1:28 pm
    The Oilers aren’t as a team good enough! Its futile to think a defense with Bear as #1 RD and no shutdown checking line can win in a playoff format
    i love the oilers but i am looking at the roster as a whole as unbalanced and a dogs breakfast in key positions
    Oilers still dont make decisions on the ice fast enough; and in a playoff series where exposed
    I move and see what Holland does in the off season to address team shortcomings.
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    I don’t have much time for Spector, but the Oilers were beaten in the back alley by Chicago. Chicago….

    Dach took out Ennis with a hard and dirty hit.

    Caggiula took Ennis’ head off too. Maybe he was targeted as a smaller player knowing the Oilers are light on wingers.

    Bear was knocked out of the last game with a dirty hit from DeBrincat.

    Draisatl didn’t have a fun time as he took lots of cross checks and slashes.

    Many Oilers were heavily cross checked in the back throughout the series.

    The Oilers certainly didn’t get their pound of flesh from the Blackhawks.

    I don’t think any of the Hawks are banged up or worse for wear as the Oilers played butter soft.

    Really, they couldn’t even box out guys once Larsson stopped playing.

    Yamamoto might have been our most aggressive player. Yamamoto…

  87. leadfarmer says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Gee, I’m really bad on these multiple choice thingees … but If pressed I’ll go with “no’”. Now if you swap out Kassian for Nurse, I’m all in.

    Im not a Nurse fan but the value of Nurse >>> Kassian.

  88. Alpine says:

    The worst thing this team can do is make reactionary moves to fix their problems. I’ve been mad all week at how this series is gone and i feel like I hit rock bottom last night but big money moves are not likely to work out and will continue to suck up cap room that this team desperately needs.

    Look at what Colorado did between finishing last three years ago to now. Acquired a bunch of cheap middle six forwards who could deliver reasonable results for cheap. They were able to cash in on Barrie and Duchene and got good pieces in return. Made smart selections with their high picks. They acquired a good backup goalie who was ready to start in Grubauer rather than chasing big names.

    I don’t know if Holland will make similar moves but that is the template to follow.

  89. Richard Roma says:

    leadfarmer: Really didn’t like that he messed with amateur scouting
    That’s the one good thing he’s predecessor left him

    Agreed. Certainly Holland whiffed badly on the 2015 draft bonanza…

    Yeah, he might have actually downgraded our scouting department.

    He also hasn’t moved the needle on bringing in an analytics department either.

  90. Richard Roma says:

    leadfarmer:
    Im hoping we get a better JP back next season.
    I’m guessing he got a lot of “you had a chance to play with Connor and Drai and you are pouting here?? You know what I would do for a chance to play with those two in the NHL”.Repeated by everybody
    You realize that chance may not come again.

    And please baby Jesus bring Lehner here.I want a guy that can clean up some of those defensive mistakes.A Neal buyout and letting Smith go should more than cover it

    Lehrer is probably the best UFA goalie available.

    I have time for Markstrom.

    Ryan mentioned a Crawford rumor.

    This series would have given Holland a good look at him.

    What does Lehner cost in terms of cap hit and how much term do you offer this player?

  91. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    leadfarmer: Im not a Nurse fan but the value of Nurse >>> Kassian.

    You missed the sarcasm font with a dash of troll.

  92. Material Elvis says:

    leadfarmer:
    Im hoping we get a better JP back next season.
    I’m guessing he got a lot of “you had a chance to play with Connor and Drai and you are pouting here?? You know what I would do for a chance to play with those two in the NHL”.Repeated by everybody
    You realize that chance may not come again.

    And please baby Jesus bring Lehner here.I want a guy that can clean up some of those defensive mistakes.A Neal buyout and letting Smith go should more than cover it

    Move Russell with asset for the cap space. Buy out Neal. I even looked up the Kassian buy out calculator — the cap savings are 1.6M, 1.6M, 2.6M, 1.4M for the next 4 years. I’m sure that won’t happen but what an awful signing. A better goalie is crucial for the next 4 years and I think Lehner wants stability. They also need a 3C so that’s why I would aggressively look to move these guys out.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Holland is known for giving older goaltenders a chance and having success with it.

    With the Preds going to Saros for the play-in, I wonder if Ken would kick the tires on Rinne? It sounds like something the Dutchman would do.

    This team reminds me of the Kings before Carter, Richards and Quick. They’ve got the core but they need some big finishing pieces to push it over the top.

    Hall, McDavid and possibly Draisaitl win the Hart and the Oilers have 0 Cups to show for it. Crazy.

    If Holland has $5M to throw at a tender, I think there are better options than Rinne (Lehner, Khudobin, Griess) – the last two shouldn’t cost $5M and I think they are priced out of the Oilers’ cap structure even at their lesser cost.

  94. McSorley33 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Holland did a masterful job at the trade deadline.It actually convinced me that he may be a decent GM. Trading two seconds for AA was brilliant. Bringing in Ennis and Green for pennies was fabulous. Interesting that Holland is being criticized for the AA trade now. My only concern with Holland going forward is free agent signings. He has a history of bad signings and the Kass signing was bad. I think I’ve earned the right to say that because I argued he needed to be traded last summer because that signing was destined to be ugly for any GM.

    AA had 0 points in 4 games ….as others have pointed out, we have seen other GM recently acquire forwards for far less cost.

    When you watch the Oilers bottom 9 forwards, what do you see?

    Not ruling out AA at all.

    But you may find 1 2nd round pick in 2020 is expensive, never mind 2

    As an aside, and completely unrelated, what do you think of that Debrincat kid?

  95. Richard Roma says:

    Alpine:
    The worst thing this team can do is make reactionary moves to fix their problems. I’ve been mad all week at how this series is gone and i feel like I hit rock bottom last night but big money moves are not likely to work out and will continue to suck up cap room that this team desperately needs.

    Look at what Colorado did between finishing last three years ago to now. Acquired a bunch of cheap middle six forwards who could deliver reasonable results for cheap. They were able to cash in on Barrie and Duchene and got good pieces in return. Made smart selections with their high picks. They acquired a good backup goalie who was ready to start in Grubauer rather than chasing big names.

    I don’t know if Holland will make similar moves but that is the template to follow.

    Sakic is very smart. The Oilers are perpetually run by Pakleds.

    The Oilers are broken. Can you make it go?

    They’re paying Francouz and Grubaur less than Koskinen this year and not much after that.

    Geez you only needed grade six level math to have seen what a deal Grubaur was at $3.3 m x 3 years when he was 26.

  96. Material Elvis says:

    godot10:
    Lafreniere, Neal, Kassian, and Koskinen for Carey Price

    Would you do it?

    Godot, someone might have hacked your account.

  97. Lowetide says:

    Everything going smoothly I see. Have we traded Klefbom for a 7th yet?

  98. McSorley33 says:

    leadfarmer: Absolutely
    I buyout Neal and use that money to bring in Lehner for 4 years.He can mentor Askarov in 3 years
    As expected some teams just did not put in the work to be ready to play and unfortunately that was us.

    Also I was a huge supporter of Petry back in the day, and was one of only ones to wonder why he didn’t get to pp.I don’t see the same with Nurse.Not a player I break the bank for.Meh defensively.Not a good passer.That 10 foot outlet pass miss was bad but not uncharacteristic for him. 5 mil fine.Over 6? Nope nope nope.I don’t think he’s improved with time either.

    How the heck did AA score 30 goals a year ago.I thought we overplayed on trade deadline day but holy crap we got 2 points in 13 games and one goal. Stone hands could have put us up.Sunk cost now.Maybe a decent 3c and JP on other side will make a decent 3rd line and get some value back.

    Kassian is asking to be first player to be bought out without having started their contract.

    Ha!

    Epic troll on McDavid, RNH and Drai……

    Take an LHD last year. Then take a -Russian-goalie in the first round of a deep draft.

    Sorry Connor – you are playing with Archibald again.

  99. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: If Holland has $5M to throw at a tender, I think there are better options than Rinne (Lehner, Khudobin, Griess) – the last two shouldn’t cost $5M and I think they are priced out of the Oilers’ cap structure even at their lesser cost.

    I would trade Nurse and Russell to the Jets for Ehlers and Lowry their cap hit is nine million we save one million and change. With the one million saved we look at the bargain bin find a competent Goalie for 2.7 million. If Nurse had more Hockey sense he would be untouchable but holy smokes did he look uninterested in the play down series.

  100. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Material Elvis: Godot, someone might have hacked your account.

    My thought exactly … and I’m pretty sure I know who.

  101. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Lowetide:
    Everything going smoothly I see. Have we traded Klefbom for a 7th yet?

    We’re holding out for an additional 7th in 2022. We’ve got this, LT.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Holland held exit interviews with the players this morning.

    That was quick but I guess that makes sense – get it done while they are in the bubble before they leave it.

    We won’t hear from the players again this off-season.

    I anticipate we will hear from Holland fairly quickly and over the next little bit.

    Now that playoffs are over, sigh, he will likely get going on negotiations with Bear (and Benning) – maybe even Nuge (or even Kailer) a year in advance.

  103. McSorley33 says:

    Harpers Hair: I’m surprised there hasn’t been a more thorough examination of Holland’s drafts in his last five years in Detroit.

    Lots of iffy selections with reasonably high picks throughout and an absolute whiff in 2018 when he picked Zadina one pick ahead of Quinn Hughes who was playing in his backyard at the University of Michigan.

    Not a real hit since 2014 with Dylan Larkin.

    It’s a pretty grim record.

    Very interesting him passing up Hughes…..not a good look.

    The Chaser signing.

    The Kassian signing.

    Traded *2* picks for AA

    Reached hard for Broberg.

    Kenny needs a good summer ….

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10:
    I actually saw some potential for Athanasiou,He had a lot of try, but had a lot of bad luck.Too bad he will cost $3 million.He was not worth two 2nd round picks though.

    I think he is a guy who can push possession on the third line.

    In two of the games, he was “around the scoring chances” as much as any of the non-elite forwards – games 2 and 4.

    I saw something there worth exploring but I’m also seeing that, perhaps, his offensive instincts and his hands are lacking – he can create and be involved with pure speed, and that has benefits, but its kind of like a glorified Todd Marchant without the rest of Marchant’s game…….

  105. Pescador says:

    Lowetide:
    Everything going smoothly I see. Have we traded Klefbom for a 7th yet?

    I believe this is all your fault, the title of the blog post is literally
    “Burn down the Mission”

  106. JOFA says:

    Harpers Hair: I would be more worried about Nuge.

    He has an escape hatch opening in 11 months 5 of which he will spend back home on the coast.

    Haha Don’t you dare HH. You take that back right now. My little boy Nuge is off limits. DAAAAAAAAAAD!!!!!! I mean AAAAAAAAL. Could you put HH in a timeout please? He’s not playing fair😄

  107. godot10 says:

    Material Elvis: Godot, someone might have hacked your account.

    PTSD

    I’m not saying I would do it. I’m just throwing s$%# out there. Just a little brainstorming.

    You save/create $2 million in cap space for two years, and cover off the goaltender position. It means one can go to the bargain bin for a backup goaltender.

    And one clears out the bad contracts in one fell swoop. Creates roster space for better players.

    On shifts the risk 4 or 5 years out. But the cap is probably growing then. Elite players tend to decline at a slower rate. But one would have Price instead of dead cap from the inevitable Neal and Kassian buyouts.

    If the Oilers actually win the lottery, i think my brainstorming mindset quickly will go out the window. At that point, I don’t think I could trade Lafreniere. Because I can live with Koskinen. I think he was fine in this series. Almost all the goals against were deflections, which is a reflection of how the team was playing in front of him.

  108. dustrock says:

    The fancies on AA were poor. Think Willis had a look at him and decided to pass. He should have been shining like a national guitar on a horrifous Wings team and he wasn’t.

    You pick Lafreniere and don’t overthink it. I see the potential for Byfield but Lafreniere is ready to play with McDavid full stop next year. He’s the most NHL ready player in the draft.

  109. jzed says:

    As an addict (Oiler fan) I realize I have to hit rock bottom before I can begin the long road to recovery. Accordingly, being 2020. In midst of a practice apocalypse. Calgary will win the cup and sip champagne in the Oiler dressing room. The hockey gords will be appeased and forgive the embarrassment of the ‘boys on the bus’ and #1 lottery picks riches, and the McDavid years of success can begin. In Holland we trust.

  110. godot10 says:

    jzed:
    As an addict (Oiler fan) I realize I have to hit rock bottom before I can begin the long road to recovery. Accordingly, being 2020. In midst of a practice apocalypse. Calgary will win the cup and sip champagne in the Oiler dressing room. The hockeygords will be appeased and forgive the embarrassment of the ‘boys on the bus’ and #1 lottery picks riches, andthe McDavid years of success can begin.In Holland we trust.

    Mercifully, there is Vegas and Colorado and St. Louis in the West.

  111. Pescador says:

    Harpers Hair: I would be more worried about Nuge.

    He has an escape hatch opening in 11 months 5 of which he will spend back home on the coast.

    What coast, Sylvan lake?
    He lives in Red Deer you know-nothing
    know-it-all

  112. Lowetide says:

    godot10:
    Nurse, like Jeff Petry, is not a perfect defensemen.But trading him now, as he is entering his prime,would be like trading Jeff Petry all over again.

    Teams that are contenders have a core of players aged 25-29.Superstars have a couple more years on either end.

    The OIlers have NOT had a core of players aged 25-29 since 2006.

    Klefbom and Nurse are not perfect, but they are essential to competing and contending over the next two to three years.

    This is it. ALL of it.

    Young defensemen break your heart.

    Signed,

    History

  113. freeconnor says:

    godot10,

    It’s funny what these things make you remember. Toews outmanning Bear reminded me of Cody Franson (!) outmanning Nuge circa 2013.

    https://youtu.be/BcEHP78wMGk

    Let’s be honest: he punched him to the ice! It really rang a bell for me. We used to call him ‘Baby Nuge’ because he was so runty, right? The way Toews completely manhandled Bear on the GWG made me go back and watch the highlights from that Toronto game

    Poor Nuge. Hard to blame him if he flees the coop in his walk year.

    7 years on and same as it ever was.

    Such a long road back to respectability…

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Khaira is almost totally useless 5 x 5.He scored six goals this year and four of them were in a five game span in November. Patrick Russell brings way more energy to the game and he’s basically no worse 5 x 5.No offence OP, but if I hear what an elite PK player he is one more time, I’m going to puke in my mouth.

    Sure, fair enough, however, at the same time, if I have to hear about Patrick Russell being on option for the roster, I may need to brush my teeth as well.

    Patrick Russell is a massive depth tweener – he’s the guy that’s in the lineup on a team that is out of it, has sold as the deadline and has 3 guys shut down for surgery.

    Hard worker though.

  115. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Holland held exit interviews with the players this morning.

    That was quick but I guess that makes sense – get it done while they are in the bubble before they leave it.

    We won’t hear from the players again this off-season.

    I anticipate we will hear from Holland fairly quickly and over the next little bit.

    Yes hopefully Holland holds a media avail soon,
    How about I save you & him the trouble?
    “The players & I are very disappointed”
    “Everything is under evaluation, including me”
    Can’t get enough of those sweet cliches

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard Roma:
    dustrock,

    The drop off to Russell playing on the right side is real and spectacular. You wonder why Tippett doesn’t just move Benning up.

    You really need a RHS d that you can move up the lineup instead of Russling it.

    I know the above is just a snippet of a larger (and well thought out) post but I wanted to respond to it because, in my opinion, its absolutely right.

    I know Benning has his detractors but he’s proven to be a top-end 3RD – year over year over year, he is a large plus player – yes, I know QoC but, still, he does his job, the puck goes in the other team’s net more, he’s one of the better open ice hitters on the team, etc.

    I’m not even sure he’s overpaid at $2M and I don’t think he’s the player that needs to be a cap casualty.

    He’s in the “Godot Range” of age where he’s going to be priming for the next while.

    To the point though, this coaching staff, whether its Tip or Playfair, don’t seem to trust him as his minutes reduced through the year and they refused to give him any at bats up the lineup. He has shown in the past to actually play well with Klefbom – I know that Tip looks at some numbers and I’m sure he’s seen their numbers together over the year. At the same time, not once this year did he get the chance to fill in – Persson, Rusty, etc. all got at bats there and Benning nada.

  117. Reja says:

    Pescador: Yes hopefully Holland holds a media avail soon,
    How about I save you & him the trouble?
    “The players & I are very disappointed”
    “Everything is under evaluation, including me”
    Can’t get enough of those sweet cliches

    The reason why their interviews are so bland and boring is if they speak the truth they probably offend a few social justice protesters. Who needs these weirdos all over your ass because somebody’s feelings had gotten hurt while you were interviewed.

  118. tileguy says:

    Read somewhere that the only scrum in that series came at the final whistle. ZK was the biggest disappointment for me.

  119. Harpers Hair says:

    Pescador: What coast, Sylvan lake?
    He lives in Red Deer you know-nothing
    know-it-all

    Nuge was born and raised and played all his minor hockey in Burnaby until playing in Red Deer of the WHL.

    He has a home in Edmonton where he and his wife stay during the season but he spends the off season in Vancouver where he is part owner of a stable of races horses.

    His dogs name is Sophie.

    His top horse is called Infinite Patience.

    I wonder why?

  120. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Nuge was born and raised and played all his minor hockey in Burnaby until playing in Red Deer of the WHL.

    He has a home in Edmonton where he and his wife stay during the season but he spends the off season in Vancouver where he is part owner of a stable of races horses.

    His dogs name is Sophie.

    His top horse is called Infinite Patience.

    I wonder why?

    You must be the houseboy with this kind of knowledge.

  121. Justthestatsman says:

    oilersfan:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Spector is such a hack. I can’t believe he still has a job. Always poor insight and analysis. Total Meathead

    Agreed. He was going on last night that Chicago was “miles better than Edmonton throughout the series”. A little hyperbole, maybe. Perhaps the team playing better won, but it wasn’t by miles and it certainly wasn’t last night. Only 1 goal more scored through 4 games.

    Chicago also got some offence from some unexpected sources. Dach is a good player, but he was only 10th in team scoring for the season. The points from Highmore and Koekkoek were an absolute bonus. Chicago could win the Stanley Cup and Highmore might not get any more goals, let alone the two tip-ins he pulled off.

  122. Lowetide says:

    NEW for The Athletic: We’re 16 months past Connor McDavid saying he was unhappy. A good regular season and disappointing postseason later, is there enough progress? The heat is on Ken Holland.

    https://theathletic.com/1983293/2020/08/08/lowetide-ken-hollands-urgent-summer-as-oilers-general-manager-begins/

  123. oilersfan says:

    JimmyV1965,

    It sure benefitted them making the playoffs , which is what I was referring to

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    oilersfan:
    Also the lack of a preseason was huge… so many of the goals in these playoffs can be attributed to rust. The combination of no preseason, a small playoff earn in and the unfairness of not giving any real benefit to the teams higher up in the standings makes this such a piss off. I hope Katz and Mario Lemieux are screaming at Bettman and his sidekick today for their egregiously unfair system they developed.

    The Oilers were shit for pretty much the entire series and don’t deserve to move on but, at the same time, I have to wonder, if they were given their earned bye for being 2nd in the Pacific, would they have got that shitty play and lack of intensity out of their game in the round robin, prior to round 1?

  125. norm_klassen says:

    Richard Roma,
    Bear will learn ; he was our best which at this point wasn’t good enough!
    Klef and Nurse will learn from any mistakes ; that’s what becoming a veteran is all about.
    Washington routinely lost series after series and didnt panic
    Holland will make his mark on the team ; hopefully improvements comes from within and Without through the moves

  126. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    jzed:
    As an addict (Oiler fan) I realize I have to hit rock bottom before I can begin the long road to recovery. Accordingly, being 2020. In midst of a practice apocalypse. Calgary will win the cup and sip champagne in the Oiler dressing room. The hockeygords will be appeased and forgive the embarrassment of the ‘boys on the bus’ and #1 lottery picks riches, andthe McDavid years of success can begin.In Holland we trust.

    And up until the final game there will still be uncertainty if the Conn Smythe will go to Tchuk, Lucic or Talbot…

  127. freeconnor says:

    Lowetide,

    You are bang on, LT.

    Robert Gordon Orr put the Oilers on the clock 18 months ago when he called McKenzie, Friedman and Lebrun and said enough is enough.

    And a cap-strung Ken Holland did everything he could to drag the Oilers back to the cusp of respectability.

    It doesn’t really matter what we think.

    Does Connor think it was enough? Does losing three out of four games to a porous 12-seed give him confidence that the franchise is headed in the right direction?

    I know this is anathema to Oilers’ fans, but if the Leaves don’t win a Cup by 2023, Connor heads to Toronto for two playoff runs before his current contract expires. I think that is clear as day.

    It didn’t go unnoticed at head office that the Oilers couldn’t sell out their own building this year, let alone selling out on the road. Tremendous pressure from the PA and the league to get Connor into a relevant market to grow league-wide revenue in a post COVID -19 world. So much money left on the table…

    It is incredible that the best player in the world has missed the playoffs for four of the past five years.

    Gilbert Dionne says hello.

    I imagine Rogers’ Place employees being entombed in concrete like Vesuvius!

  128. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    OriginalPouzar: I know the above is just a snippet of a larger (and well thought out) post but I wanted to respond to it because, in my opinion, its absolutely right.

    I know Benning has his detractors but he’s proven to be a top-end 3RD – year over year over year, he is a large plus player – yes, I know QoC but, still, he does his job, the puck goes in the other team’s net more, he’s one of the better open ice hitters on the team, etc.

    I’m not even sure he’s overpaid at $2M and I don’t think he’s the player that needs to be a cap casualty.

    He’s in the “Godot Range” of age where he’s going to be priming for the next while.

    To the point though, this coaching staff, whether its Tip or Playfair, don’t seem to trust him as his minutes reduced through the year and they refused to give him any at bats up the lineup.He has shown in the past to actually play well with Klefbom – I know that Tip looks at some numbers and I’m sure he’s seen their numbers together over the year.At the same time, not once this year did he get the chance to fill in – Persson, Rusty, etc. all got at bats there and Benning nada.

    This also speaks to the larger concerning issue that the coaches are trusting their guts, hoping for veteran miracles and ignoring hard data.

  129. oilersfan says:

    freeconnor,

    DSF is that you?

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: The play in format did not benefit Chicago and Montreal. Those are two very bad teams. They need the high picks. In two weeks from now, fans from those two cities will be just as pissed as Edmonton fans are today. It’s one thing to beat the Oilers, it’s quite another to get rewarded for that effort by being matched up with Colorado or Vegas.

    Colorado, yes, but not Vegas, in my opinion.

    Vegas finished 3 points up on the Oilers in the regular season (same # of games played). They had just used an 8-2 heater to get there and probably would have cooled off a bit over the last 11 games.

    They improved at the deadline but so did the Oilers (and, as good as Lehner is, only one of Lehner or MAF can play at a time – Martinez was their primary improvement).

    Colorado is tiers above.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: Really didn’t like that he messed with amateur scouting
    That’s the one good thing he’s predecessor left him

    Yup, I’m all for him bringing on Archie Henderson and revamping the pro scouting but the amateur procurement was strong for the Oilers in the last few years and I’m not as confidant in Tyler Wright.

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    Alpine:
    The worst thing this team can do is make reactionary moves to fix their problems. I’ve been mad all week at how this series is gone and i feel like I hit rock bottom last night but big money moves are not likely to work out and will continue to suck up cap room that this team desperately needs.

    Look at what Colorado did between finishing last three years ago to now. Acquired a bunch of cheap middle six forwards who could deliver reasonable results for cheap. They were able to cash in on Barrie and Duchene and got good pieces in return. Made smart selections with their high picks. They acquired a good backup goalie who was ready to start in Grubauer rather than chasing big names.

    I don’t know if Holland will make similar moves but that is the template to follow.

    I take solace in the fact that Holland isn’t going to make panic moves based on small sample sizes. Don’t get me wrong, he doesn’t walk on water (the Kassian signing was bad the day it was made, Mike Smith was not a good choice and too expensive with the bonus structure, etc.) but he’s been in NHL management for far too long than to panic based off a playoff series – especially in the current wonky context.

    Turning Duchesne in to Byram and Girard (via Turris) was nice work.

    Oilers equivalent would be Nuge but he needs to stay and continue to be the glue.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard Roma: Lehrer is probably the best UFA goalie available.

    I have time for Markstrom.

    Ryan mentioned a Crawford rumor.

    This series would have given Holland a good look at him.

    What does Lehner cost in terms of cap hit and how much term do you offer this player?

    Lehner and Markstrom would be great options but $$$$$$.

    If there is that type of money to spend on a tender, I’d prefer to cut the cost in half and look at Khudobin, Griess, etc.

    At the end of the day, I don’t think Holland will be looking to spend more money on Mikko’s partner than he did this year and we are looking at Aaron Dell, Casey DeSmith, etc.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: I would trade Nurse and Russell to the Jets for Ehlers and Lowry their cap hit isnine millionwe saveone millionand change. With theone million saved we look at the bargain bin find a competent Goalie for 2.7 million. If Nurse had more Hockey sense he would be untouchable but holy smokes did he look uninterestedin the play down series.

    Getting Cheveldayoff to agree seems like somewhat of an issue….

  135. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Lehner and Markstrom would be great options but $$$$$$.

    If there is that type of money to spend on a tender, I’d prefer to cut the cost in half and look at Khudobin, Griess, etc.

    At the end of the day, I don’t think Holland will be looking to spend more money on Mikko’s partner than he did this year and we are looking at Aaron Dell, Casey DeSmith, etc.

    Why would any of them agree to come to the goalie graveyard without an over pay?

  136. JimmyV1965 says:

    McSorley33: AA had 0 points in 4 games ….as others have pointed out, we have seen other GM recently acquire forwards for farless cost.

    When you watch the Oilers bottom 9 forwards, what do you see?

    Not ruling out AA at all.

    But you may find 1 2nd round pick in 2020 is expensive, never mind 2

    As an aside, and completely unrelated, what do you think of that Debrincat kid?

    I’m not judging the deal from the rear view mirror like so many others are. Two second round picks for an RFA who has averaged 23 goals per 82 games is a great trade. The odds of those two picks ever becoming as good as AA is very low. I haven’t given up on the player either. He clearly had talent, but no confidence right now.

  137. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yup, I’m all for him bringing on Archie Henderson and revamping the pro scouting but the amateur procurement was strong for the Oilers in the last few years and I’m not as confidant in Tyler Wright.

    Nepotism wins again…

  138. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    oilersfan:
    freeconnor,

    DSF is that you?

    Woody maybe!?

  139. Material Elvis says:

    freeconnor:
    Lowetide,

    You are bang on, LT.

    Robert Gordon Orr put the Oilers on the clock 18 months ago when he called McKenzie, Friedman and Lebrun and said enough is enough.

    And a cap-strung Ken Holland did everything he could to drag the Oilers back to the cusp of respectability.

    It doesn’t really matter what we think.

    Does Connor think it was enough? Does losing three out of four games to a porous 12-seed give him confidence that the franchise is headed in the right direction?

    I know this is anathema to Oilers’ fans, but if the Leaves don’t win a Cup by 2023, Connor heads to Toronto for two playoff runs before his current contract expires. I think that is clear as day.

    It didn’t go unnoticed at head office that the Oilers couldn’t sell out their own building this year, let alone selling out on the road. Tremendous pressure from the PA and the league to get Connor into a relevant market to grow league-wide revenue in a post COVID -19 world. So much money left on the table…

    It is incredible that the best player in the world has missed the playoffs for four of the past five years.

    Gilbert Dionne says hello.

    I imagine Rogers’ Place employees being entombed in concrete like Vesuvius!

    Hi Steve Simmons!

  140. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: The Oilers got the better player in Visnovsky.LA got the Cups, because Greene and Stoll were just entering their prime.

    One cannot win with a donut hole in the roster between 25 and 29.Those guys also bridge the generation gap between the 30-something guys and the rookies.

    The Oilogosphere sees only the flaws of the 25 year olds that the Oilers develop, and want them gone, when the right thing to do is keep them.

    This has been the fundamental mistake of the 15 years of darkness, starting with Stoll and Greene, Pitkanen, Gilbert, Petry, Eberle, Hall, etc.

    Absolutely right again.

  141. Material Elvis says:

    Harpers Hair: Nuge was born and raised and played all his minor hockey in Burnaby until playing in Red Deer of the WHL.

    He has a home in Edmonton where he and his wife stay during the season but he spends the off season in Vancouver where he is part owner of a stable of races horses.

    His dogs name is Sophie.

    His top horse is called Infinite Patience.

    I wonder why?

    Well if that isn’t irrefutable evidence of Nuge’s impending departure, I don’t know what is.

  142. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure, fair enough, however, at the same time, if I have to hear about Patrick Russell being on option for the roster, I may need to brush my teeth as well.

    You really should be brushing twice daily anyway. And don’t forget to floss.

  143. tileguy says:

    Am I right in assuming Westchester Oil won the death march?

  144. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Colorado, yes, but not Vegas, in my opinion.

    Vegas finished 3 points up on the Oilers in the regular season (same # of games played).They had just used an 8-2 heater to get there and probably would have cooled off a bit over the last 11 games.

    They improved at the deadline but so did the Oilers (and, as good as Lehner is, only one of Lehner or MAF can play at a time – Martinez was their primary improvement).

    Colorado is tiers above.

    I’ve watched a lot of hockey lately. And honestly the two worst teams were Edmonton and Chicago. I don’t think the hawks have a chance against anyone else. Vegas will run them into the ground.

  145. Harpers Hair says:

    Material Elvis: Well if that isn’t irrefutable evidence of Nuge’s impending departure, I don’t know what is.

    Here’s something to think about.

    Nuge will be coming up on NINE years of mediocrity with no apparent end in sight.

    He’s finally able to pick his destination and the Oilers are absolutely cap strapped when he hits unrestricted free agency.

    His agent advises (wisely) to see what the market is in July 2021.

    There are less than a handful of teams that have the cap space to accommodate a lucrative 7 year deal at (say) $7.5 million.

    The Oilers cannot match that deal without major roster surgery but Seattle can and Nuge lands a major role with a forward thinking team that promises to be competitive right out of the gate.

    That it’s a hop skip and a jump from his backyard and offers a whole different world of in season and off season living than the frozen tundra and allows him to stay closely connected to his horse racing stable in Vancouver just might be appealing.

    Unless his wife really loves West Edmonton Mall.

  146. Material Elvis says:

    Poor Marcel Dionne. He can’t get any respect.

  147. dunterpunter says:

    Honestly, all said and done,

    The one player I truly feel for is Ennis.

    Super pumped on him coming to Edmonton, a local that has a shitty injury history when he was a beaut’ in buffalo early on.

    I hope he has a fast recovery.

    Too bad about the Oilers; maybe the fan presence played a large part in this groups success in the playoffs. I understand that’s an “excuse”, but who knows. It may have helped.

    Not to be negative, I do not foresee Nuge sticking around if he waits for UFA to sign.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: Yes hopefully Holland holds a media avail soon,
    How about I save you & him the trouble?
    “The players & I are very disappointed”
    “Everything is under evaluation, including me”
    Can’t get enough of those sweet cliches

    If nothing else, I’ve found Holland very honest and informative in his dealings with the media and, given his stated goals prior to the season, I don’t think the tone will be similar to what is in this forum (and across Oil Country) at this point.

    The stated goal at the beginning of the season was to be in the playoff picture, meaningful games in March with the ultimate goal being building a year after year contender.

    The on-ice team met his goals for the year.

    Sure, fan expectations (and maybe management expectation) increased, and the end was disappointing, but he season was not a failure in that regard.

    I’m sure Holland had a goal for off-season 2 and season 2 as part of his plan – Covid and the flat cap may alter that plan a bit or make it harder to accomplish.

    Next on his list is the material RFAs – Bear, AA, Benning.

  149. Material Elvis says:

    Harpers Hair: Here’s something to think about.

    Nuge will be coming up on NINE years of mediocrity with no apparent end in sight.

    He’s finally able to pick his destination and the Oilers are absolutely cap strapped when he hits unrestricted free agency.

    His agent advises (wisely) to see what the market is in July 2021.

    There are less than a handful of teams that have the cap space to accommodate a lucrative 7 year deal at (say) $7.5 million.

    The Oilers cannot match that deal without major roster surgery but Seattle can and Nuge lands a major role with a forward thinking team that promises to be competitive right outof the gate.

    That it’s a hop skip and a jump from his backyard and offers a whole different world of in season and off season living than the frozen tundra and allows him to stay closely connected to his horse racing stable in Vancouver just might be appealing.

    Unless his wife really loves West Edmonton Mall.

    They are homebodies and live quite modestly. I don’t think the glamour of Seattle or any other US city holds that kind of appeal for them. In-season distance isn’t much different than Edmonton; they would fly either way. Her family is from Red Deer — that has more influence than you think. I believe he will want to see how things play out in Edmonton. They are a playoff team now and he’s a big part of that. He gets to play with Connor and Leon.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy:
    Read somewhere that the only scrum in that series came at the final whistle. ZK was the biggest disappointment for me.

    He had zero hits in game 4. I know “hitting” in itself doesn’t mean anything and, in some ways, is a very poor measurement of anything but we are talking about Kassian here.

    While disappointed in his play, it wasn’t a total surprise given how ineffective he was in 2020 through March to start with.

  151. Victoria Oil says:

    tileguy:
    Am I right in assuming Westchester Oil won the death march?

    Thanks for bringing that up. 🙂

    Hunter?

    (I used my original team name as requested).

  152. Scungilli Slushy says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Sad sick thought to add salt into the Oilers wounds

    I hope they don’t spend too much time thinking of Tckachuk’s hairy ass and ball sack sitting on their seats in their home dressing room.

    Maybe things like that can help motivate them next time.

    I’m sure he shaves his nether regions.

    As sociopaths often do.

  153. ArmchairGM says:

    DBO: 2. I’d walk away from Athanasiou. Won’t happen, but id rather trade him for a 2nd or 3rd then keep him at $3 million.

    Option: qualify him and trade him to NYR for Georgiev.

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    freeconnor:
    Lowetide,

    You are bang on, LT.

    Robert Gordon Orr put the Oilers on the clock 18 months ago when he called McKenzie, Friedman and Lebrun and said enough is enough.

    And a cap-strung Ken Holland did everything he could to drag the Oilers back to the cusp of respectability.

    It doesn’t really matter what we think.

    Does Connor think it was enough? Does losing three out of four games to a porous 12-seed give him confidence that the franchise is headed in the right direction?

    I know this is anathema to Oilers’ fans, but if the Leaves don’t win a Cup by 2023, Connor heads to Toronto for two playoff runs before his current contract expires. I think that is clear as day.

    It didn’t go unnoticed at head office that the Oilers couldn’t sell out their own building this year, let alone selling out on the road. Tremendous pressure from the PA and the league to get Connor into a relevant market to grow league-wide revenue in a post COVID -19 world. So much money left on the table…

    It is incredible that the best player in the world has missed the playoffs for four of the past five years.

    Gilbert Dionne says hello.

    I imagine Rogers’ Place employees being entombed in concrete like Vesuvius!

    Its clear that the Oilers will trade McDavid to the Leafs?

    McDavid is 23 years old, not 33 years old – far from Dionne, Iginla, etc.

  155. digger50 says:

    Harpers Hair: Here’s something to think about.

    Nuge will be coming up on NINE years of mediocrity with no apparent end in sight.

    He’s finally able to pick his destination and the Oilers are absolutely cap strapped when he hits unrestricted free agency.

    His agent advises (wisely) to see what the market is in July 2021.

    There are less than a handful of teams that have the cap space to accommodate a lucrative 7 year deal at (say) $7.5 million.

    The Oilers cannot match that deal without major roster surgery but Seattle can and Nuge lands a major role with a forward thinking team that promises to be competitive right outof the gate.

    That it’s a hop skip and a jump from his backyard and offers a whole different world of in season and off season living than the frozen tundra and allows him to stay closely connected to his horse racing stable in Vancouver just might be appealing.

    Unless his wife really loves West Edmonton Mall.

    Nuge won’t bail. First he doesn’t know how to, he’s all in. Second he will see he has as much of a chance at the cup in Edmonton as anywhere else.

  156. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide:
    Everything going smoothly I see. Have we traded Klefbom for a 7th yet?

    Max Domi + a 2nd. You in?

  157. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Holland’s mission, and hopefully he has the insight to see it, is identify where the bottle necks are.

    He has 4 certain top 6 forwards, two of whom are league top.

    He has a competent D Corp. If lacking.

    He has competent but inconsistent and or bland goalies who are both aging out.

    For me it’s seeing with which players the play dies with them.

    For me on D it’s Nurse and Russell. Consistently can’t drive the play forward. Both also consistently miss assignments and are not able to grow their game play above what it is. Particularly concerning with Nurse.

    Whim while the forward pipeline is slim especially at RS Center, when you have elite players it’s not time to sit on your hands.

    A few well bought acquisitions put this team at the top.

    Imagine Mark Stone as Connor’s RW.

    I wouldn’t trade this year’s first, but if I could liquidate certain players for picks I would get after it.

    Of course everything messed up and the cap is flat. But still taking second thirds etc on the panicky aftermath of the playoffs to get rid of NHL quality players (which has not always been the case for Oiler GMs) is the thing to do IMO.

    Holland should now know who is helping and who is not. And know what needs to be done.

  158. Scungilli Slushy says:

    digger50: Nuge won’t bail. First he doesn’t know how to, he’s all in. Second he will see he has as much of a chance at the cup in Edmonton as anywhere else.

    I also think people underestimate how loyal drafted players are to their first team. The business sets in after a trade IMO.

  159. dcsj says:

    Wondering what you all think about consequences for Debrincat on his hit on Bear. Do you think he will be suspended for that?

  160. digger50 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I also think people underestimate how loyal drafted players are to their first team. The business sets in after a trade IMO.

    True

    I do think trading Shultz, Eberle and Hall shook him. At that point I think Nuge was I indifferent, but is back to fully engaged now. In my opinion.

  161. digger50 says:

    Credit to those on here who kept saying what a great pick Kirby Dach would be.

  162. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10:
    Lafreniere, Neal, Kassian, and Koskinen for Carey Price

    Would you do it?

    Really?

  163. digger50 says:

    I know it’s uncool to blame the refs.

    But I do blame them for calling so many penalties and nullifying the effect players like Kassian or Nurse could have had. It seems the entire team was scared to hit, they just wanted to stay out of the box. Any heavy bodying was met with a penalty.

    Chicago not so much.

  164. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Richard Roma: I don’t have much time for Spector, but the Oilers were beaten in the back alley by Chicago. Chicago….

    Dach took out Ennis with a hard and dirty hit.

    Caggiula took Ennis’ head off too. Maybe he was targeted as a smaller player knowing the Oilers are light on wingers.

    Bear was knocked out of the last game with a dirty hit from DeBrincat.

    Draisatl didn’t have a fun time as he took lots of cross checks and slashes.

    Many Oilers were heavily cross checked in the back throughout the series.

    The Oilers certainly didn’t get their pound of flesh from the Blackhawks.

    I don’t think any of the Hawks are banged up or worse for wear as the Oilers played butter soft.

    Really, they couldn’t even box out guys once Larsson stopped playing.

    Yamamoto might have been our most aggressive player. Yamamoto…

    It’s tough when the ‘refs’ call a game where every technical infraction is called against you and the same things aren’t called against the opponent.

    To win you have to overcome it.

    And you can keep it back of mind and exact a sorting out of the offender’s mindset reg season.

    They do remember after that, if in the league long enough.

  165. Reja says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I also think people underestimate how loyal drafted players are to their first team. The business sets in after a trade IMO.

    If Nuge finishes his career in Edmonton he will have made close to a 100 million dollars that’s a lot of horses.

  166. Scungilli Slushy says:

    dcsj:
    Wondering what you all think about consequences for Debrincat on his hit on Bear. Do you think he will be suspended for that?

    Should be

  167. Tarkus says:

    Reja: If Nuge finishes his career in Edmonton he will have made close to a 100 million dollars that’s a lot of horses.

    But if he doesn’t stay with Edmonton, he could wind up with Filly.

  168. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Richard Roma: Agreed. Certainly Holland whiffed badly on the 2015 draftbonanza…

    Yeah, he might have actually downgraded our scouting department.

    He also hasn’t moved the needle on bringing in an analytics department either.

    It should be remembered that things changed after the owner’s passing.

    I would look at Holland’s choices after that.

  169. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Reja: If Nuge finishes his career in Edmonton he will have made close to a 100 million dollars that’s a lot of horses.

    Not the worst outcome

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Option: qualify him and trade him to NYR for Georgiev.

    The Rangers are one of the more cap-crunched teams for this coming season unless they can get out from under Lundquist’s ca hit.

    How about, qualify him and hope that he can be around the net and scoring chances as much as he was in games 2 and 4 and then the lack of finish (and seemingly skill) was a result of confidence?

  171. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    I know it’s uncool to blame the refs.

    But I do blame them for calling so many penalties and nullifying the effect players like Kassian or Nurse could have had. It seems the entire team was scared to hit, they just wanted to stay out of the box. Any heavybodying was met with a penalty.

    Chicago not so much.

    I don’t blame the refs for Kassian – his playoffs was essentially a continuation of his 2020 pre pause.

    He was a physical non-factor in the first game before the parade to the box started – a physical non-factor and a detriment to the team being directly culpable on two goals against.

    He earned his demotion

  172. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    They improved at the deadline but so did the Oilers (and, as good as Lehner is, only one of Lehner or MAF can play at a time – Martinez was their primary improvement).

    Tippett took what Holland gave him at the deadline and wrecked what he had built before the deadline.

  173. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM: Max Domi + a 2nd.You in?

    Max Domi wants $7.5 million per season. And in the Covid era, he is a horrible risk.

  174. flyfish1168 says:

    godot10: When Bear is in a one on one battle with Toews in the corner, someone should be coming to help a lot sooner.

    As the play developed, Draisaitl ended up covering Kubalik and Yamamoto nobody.Draisaitl recognized Bear was losing the battle to Toews but left too late, and got caught in no mans land.

    If he stays with Kubalik, Toews takes the puck to the net, and probably scores.

    Draisaitl and Yamamoto have to recognize the situation faster, and act sooner.Either rotate coverage.Draisaitl help Bear sooner, and Yamamoto take Kubalik.Or Yamamoto has to recognize that he is covering air, and go help Bear in the corner.

    The effective cycling by Chicago on that play broke down the Oilers coverage where a lost board battle by Bear, would create Toews in alone on the goaltender or a two on one, Toews and Kubalik on Draisaitl.i.e. The cycling took Yamamoto out of the play,Then one lost battle, created a mismatch in numbers.

    That is why eakins likes the swarm defense. More support down low.

  175. flyfish1168 says:

    If we were so lucky to win the Draft Lottery. I think I would approach Senators and see if they would trade their two 1st round picks for our 1st overall. we can throw in something to make it work.

  176. LMHF#1 says:

    At this point, I’d trade the whole defensive core because it isn’t built to feed 97 and 29 the puck.

    You can still do “essentially equal but different” trades in the NHL. We just haven’t had a halfway competent GM in forever. Keep the kids but turf Nurse, Larsson and yes even Klefbom if someone will give you what you need to have the forwards flying and pucks shot on net.

    Russell out is a no-brainer.

    Trade the 1st overall if you get it. Someone will overpay and in young, cheap talent because they love this particular pick specifically.

    They need an elite shooter for Connor’s wing. Before a 3C.

    I’m less concerned about goalie because there are always good ones around – need to scout and choose correctly and not pick Smith. This team shouldn’t need elite goaltending anyway. Design it for winning by scoring.

    Another wasted year in the window. It’s going to be gone soon.

  177. godot10 says:

    flyfish1168:
    If we were so lucky to win the Draft Lottery. I think I would approach Senators and see if they would trade their two 1st round picks for our 1st overall.we can throw in something to make it work.

    Lafreniere is the best player in a position of greatest need who is ready day 1. Why do people keep suggesting the OIlers trade that for picks who won’t be ready for another year or two?

  178. oilersfan says:

    Have you all seen this?

    Maybe we don’t need to re jig the roster.

    Maybe Katz and Nicholson should have fought harder to prevent this stupid system that would allow 2 games of bad luck to knock a top 10 team out of the playoffs.

    https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/1292082518913691650?s=20

  179. oilersfan says:

    Also, after the oilers knocked off the wings in 2006 (Mostly with a ton of luck), and we all celebrated, and the media geniuses said that Datsyuk just wasn’t built for the playoffs, Didn’t the wings win the cup two years later ?

    The oilers need more playoff experience. Unfortunately these insane return to play formats prevented it from happening this year

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Max Domi wants $7.5 million per season.And in the Covid era, he is a horrible risk.

    I have been weary of Domi every time he’s been brought up, largely because of a feeling he would have unreasonable contract demands – I wasn’t basing that on anything but a feeling, however, if the above is true, well, then mut gut is working better than Dave Tippett’s these days.

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Lafreniere is the best player in a position of greatest need who is ready day 1.Why do people keep suggesting the OIlers trade that for picks who won’t be ready for another year or two?

    Yup, an on his ELC for three years (although likely to come close to maxing his bonuses if healthy).

  182. flyfish1168 says:

    godot10: Lafreniere is the best player in a position of greatest need who is ready day 1.Why do people keep suggesting the OIlers trade that for picks who won’t be ready for another year or two?

    I agree. it’s also nice to have 2 skill players versus one. I’m also not convince Lafreniere is that much more ahead than any of the top 5.

  183. Tarkus says:

    I dare not get my hopes up of the Oilers winning 1st overall. Methinks we used up a lifetime’s supply of good fortune in getting McDavid.

    I fully expect Lafreniere to wind up in the City of Florida.

  184. JimmyV1965 says:

    Goaltending is voodoo. It’s the single biggest reason we lost against the Hawks. And we still played like crap and Crawford wasn’t any good either, just better than the two plugs we have. And now the Flames have Talbot playing strong, better than Helleybuck, who was maybe the best goalie in the league. Go figure.

  185. JimmyV1965 says:

    What’s most frustrating about the loss yesterday is the Hawks didn’t even try to win. They played keep away, or prevent defence, for the entire third period and a good chunk of the second period, even though the game was tied. And they actually won!!

  186. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The Oilers don’t need wingers, they need centres

    Wingers can’t produce with unskilled C’s, but centres can play wing (and if RS and capable take strong side faceoffs for the top 2 LSC).

    Draft or acquire all RSC this draft. Maybe a goalie.

  187. meanashell11 says:

    digger50: Nuge won’t bail. First he doesn’t know how to, he’s all in. Second he will see he has as much of a chance at the cup in Edmonton as anywhere else.

    Steve Yzerman was drafted 4th overall in 1983. Do you know what year it was he won his first Stanley Cup?

    Sakic was drafted in 1988. Do you know what year it was he won his first Stanley Cup?

    It’s not easy, Stevie took over a decade, Joe 8 years.

    Guys like Conner and Nuge don’t jump ship.

  188. jp says:

    godot10: I vote NAY.

    Top 5 or not at all. Would you do it if the Oilers win the lottery?

  189. Scungilli Slushy says:

    To me you trade up in the first 2 rounds, where the majority of quality NHL players come from.

    And in a weird time and deeper draft, if possible grab another pick in the first.

    LT has written about the two drafts that built the dynasty. Load up with skill fast and develop.

    The previous regime bled talent. Use the overloaded LD spot to talent up now because Connor and Leon.

    Shed those that are causing the negative goal diff, the safe players that can’t skate or move the puck by stick or wheels, and support the quality players.

    Neal prob goes nowhere, but for me I have no desire to retain because of one or more of:

    puck IQ
    Skill
    Passing
    skating
    Drive game in and out

    Play continually dies on their stick leading to the root of 5v5 issues

    Nurse
    Russell
    Chiasson
    Neal
    Sheahan

    Khaira and Archie are fine as role playing 4 th line cheap players. But not higher. Bcs they can skate.

    I am ok with Haas and Nygard although both could be upgraded. Ennis is better than both if he can recover.

    Kassian sucked but I’d keep him as cover for McD if necessary. He is also a better player than any other of the ones not actual top 6 players.

    Athanasiou is cheap and skillful enough to take a chance on.

  190. Reja says:

    Tarkus:
    I dare not get my hopes up of the Oilers winning 1st overall. Methinks we used up a lifetime’s supply of good fortune in getting McDavid.

    I fully expect Lafreniere to wind up in the City of Florida.

    But Mr. Bettman already gave Mr. Katz the secret handshake. You heard it here first. Book him Dano.

  191. Reja says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    To me you trade up in the first 2 rounds, where the majority of quality NHL players come from.

    And in a weirdtime and deeper draft, if possible grab another pick in the first.

    LT has written about the two drafts that built the dynasty. Load up with skill fast and develop.

    The previous regime bled talent. Use the overloaded LD spot to talent up now because Connor and Leon.

    Shed those that are causing the negative goal diff, the safe players that can’t skate or move the puck by stick or wheels, and support the quality players.

    Neal prob goes nowhere, but for me I have no desire to retain because of one or more of:

    puck IQ
    Skill
    Passing
    skating
    Drive game in and out

    Play continually dies on their stick leading to the root of 5v5 issues

    Nurse
    Russell
    Chiasson
    Neal
    Sheahan

    Khaira and Archie are fine as role playing 4 th line cheap players. But not higher. Bcs they can skate.

    I am ok with Haas and Nygard although both could be upgraded. Ennis is better than both if he can recover.

    Kassian sucked but I’d keep him as cover for McD if necessary. He is also a better player than any other of the ones not actual top 6 players.

    Athanasiou is cheap and skillful enough to take a chance on.

    A.A will score at least 20 next year he looks like a player that scores in bunches then disappears until another hot streak starts.

  192. jp says:

    tileguy:
    Am I right in assuming Westchester Oil won the death march?

    When Westchester wins, everybody loses.

  193. Pescador says:

    Reja: The reason why their interviews are so bland and boring is if they speak the truth they probably offend a few social justice protesters. Who needs these weirdos all over your ass because somebody’s feelings had gotten hurt while you were interviewed.

    Amen brother

  194. jp says:

    oilersfan:
    Have you all seen this?

    Maybe we don’t need to re jigthe roster.

    Maybe Katz and Nicholson should have fought harder to prevent this stupid system that would allow 2 games of bad luck to knock a top 10 team out of the playoffs.

    https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/1292082518913691650?s=20

    Was seeing something similar on NST earlier.

    The team seemed to lack urgency and definitely didn’t get it done. But they also deserved better. Tearing it down isn’t likely the answer.

  195. Fuge Udvar says:

    I’m surprised there is so much fear in our drafting suddenly. We still have Keith Gretzky in the organization. Our drafting has been much better since he joined for the 2017, 2018 and 2019 drafts.

    Yamamoto, Samorokov, Maksimov, Bouchard, McLeod, Rodrigue, Broberg, Lavoie, Konovalov

    Plus dark horses: Kesselring, Kemp

    We’ve been sacrificing goats at the alter for years trying to get drafting like this.

  196. Fuge Udvar says:

    Reja: The reason why their interviews are so bland and boring is if they speak the truth they probably offend a few social justice protesters. Who needs these weirdos all over your ass because somebody’s feelings had gotten hurt while you were interviewed.

    Yes because NHL players giving boring, anemic, cliche interviews haven’t been happening for decades.

    You are starting to become the thing you claim to hate. Do you not see the parallels between SJWs and yourself? You blame them exactly like how they blame you.

  197. who says:

    Man. All it takes is 1 playoff loss and the wacky trade proposals and knee jerk reactions come flooding out here.
    I think this may be a good long term result for the Oilers. They got a little playoff experience, albeit in the goofiest of scenarios, and moved at least 6 spots up the draft order. With an outside chance at 1OV. The team I saw for the last 4 games did not look like a cup contender so what have they really lost?
    I see no need to “burn it down”. Most of the key players are in their early to mid twenties. I think they are ready to contend as early as next year.
    Here’s where I see the lineup heading next year:
    Nuge Drai Yamamoto
    Line looked great when Tippett finally got them back together. Classic case of overthinking it.
    AA Mcdavid Kassian
    Holland will be looking to upgrade one of these wingers but not sure he can get it done. AA showed enough in the last couple games to get the first shot on left wing. Kassian can play, no matter what Godot and OP say. An upgrade would be nice, but not essential.
    LW C JP
    Left wing could be Neal. If he gets bought out it could be Ennis, or other UFA. Center is probably a UFA, especially if they buyout Neal.
    Nygaard Khaira Archibald
    Doubt they bring back Sheehan. His skillset is basically duplicated by Khaira, who is already under contract.
    Benson Haas Chiasson
    2 of these 3 are the spare forwards.
    Klefbom Larrson
    They had a bad playoff. They are still a quality pair of young veterans. Either one, or both, could be gone after next season.
    Nurse Bear
    Bear is the goods. I think. Nurse or Klefbom are probably getting traded after next season.
    Jones Russell/ Benning
    One of Russell or Benning, but not both, will be traded this summer. Benning is cheaper. Russell is better, but harder to move
    Lagesson Bouchard
    Lagesson probably starts as the 7D because Bouchard doesn’t require waivers and may require another year in the minors.
    Koskinen
    UFA goalie
    Tippets biggest blind spot was his belief in Smith. I think/hope Holland will take that option away.
    Tippet stays as coach. There was marked improvement in the team year over year. There will also be a lot more pressure to go on a deep playoff run next year.

  198. €√¥£€^$ says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I will maybe be a bit “embarassed” if the Oilers win the lottery on Monday but damn will I ever take it.

    its more likely that the Oilers draft at 14 and, damn, that’s a different level of prospect than 20-22, isn’t it?

    I believe everything is pointing to an Edmonton win on Monday.

    Exhibit A – Team E was drawn
    Exhibit B – The NHL altered their rules and the Oil, a playoff team before Covid, is suddenly dropped to 9th
    Exhibit C – Every fan of The Leafs, Canucks and especially The Flames will have their heads collectively explode.

    Finally, everytime in recent history where the NHL alters the Draft lottery to prevent E-Town from winning 1st Overall it backfires. It’s simply the Cosmos speaking loudly and clearly.

    Brace yourselves for the fireworks on Monday people!

  199. striker says:

    Reja: The reason why their interviews are so bland and boring is if they speak the truth they probably offend a few social justice protesters. Who needs these weirdos all over your ass because somebody’s feelings had gotten hurt while you were interviewed.

    Brilliant deduction.

    I guess “if all you have is a hammer…”

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