Lost In The Supermarket

by Lowetide

Ken Holland’s process this offseason resembles (so far) his plan a year ago in free agency. Faced with a limited budget and specific needs, he went about his business with precision. He addressed his most pressing needs, one by one, starting with the priority. This year? It appears he has the same priority. Or does he?

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KEN HOLLAND’S FREE AGENT SIGNINGS, 2019

Holland was busy on July 1 but also added help later on in free agency. He entered the market needing a goalie, penalty killers and a couple of men who had scored 12-15 in the hockey guide and record book. Here’s how it happened.

  • July 1: Goalie Mike Smith, one year $2,743,000 ($2 million plus bonuses).
  • July 1: LW Markus Granlund, one year $1,300,000
  • July 1: LW Tomas Jurco, one year $750,000
  • July 1: RC Gaetan Haas, one year $925,000
  • July 16: RW Josh Archibald, one year $1,000,000
  • September 5: LC Riley Sheahan, one year $900,000

Holland grabbed his goalie, then a couple of veteran who could play a two-way game, a guy he knew in Jurco and a guy he remembered in Haas. When restricted players weren’t qualified he signed Josh Archibald (his best signing) and then, late in free agency, signed his checking center Sheahan. Back in May, he signed SHL winger Joakim Nygard after the club won his rights over several other teams.

Patience is good. Among players who are unrestricted free agents, attractive targets include Robin Lehner, Jacob Markstrom, Anton Khudobin, Thomas Greiss, Cam Talbot, Aaron Dell. That’s 6.

Trade possibilities may include Darcy Kuemper, Jake Allen, Elvis Merzlikins, Linus Ullmark, James Reimer, Frederik Andersen, Anders Nilsson, Petr Mrazek. That’s 8.

I would be impatient to acquire Kuemper, after that waiting it out and getting someone later is the better plan. More dollars made available for the No. 3 center and winger for McDavid, although Athanasiou might just get extended to cover the winger spot.

Zahorak is a worthy follow, although Swedish Poster is brilliant with the updates. I think it’s safe to begin discussions about Broberg being NHL-ready for 2021-22. What does that do to the Oilers depth chart at LHD? Will that impact this year’s offseason movies? Not sure.

NEEDS LIST

All of this OEL talk has me thinking the Holland needs list differs from mine. I have two-way winger for 97, goaltender and No. 3 center as the list, but it’s clear “minute muncher” on defense is on Holland’s list and OEL might be a target.

  • Goaltender (Koskinen is a suitable goalie, so there’s no panic)
  • No. 3 center (This should be a clear priority despite the lack of options)
  • Two-way or scoring winger (If Athanasiou signs, he may be part of the solution)
  • Stud defenseman (late addition, searing cost)

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DieHard

Bag of Pucks: Agreed. That’s what so many don’t seem to understand. Many whites feel demonized by these demonstrations, but systemic racism isn’t just overt expressions such as police brutality. It also includes more passive and seemingly benign expressions such as “shut up and play, stay in your lane, etc”

One of the great challenges in changing this is in recognizing that white privilege is a blindspot for many of us.

Everyone just wants to live and enjoy their lives and be safe and healthy. But blacks face far greater chalkenges in doing so. Empathy. It’s a thing.

Have another drink of koolaid

Bag of Pucks

Genjutsu: Wanting to end systemic racism isn’t political. It’s basic human decency.

There are some very intelligent people here and else where that seem to want make other believe it’s all just politics.

At least we’re talking about it, instead of just pretending doesn’t exist and everything is alright.

Agreed. That’s what so many don’t seem to understand. Many whites feel demonized by these demonstrations, but systemic racism isn’t just overt expressions such as police brutality. It also includes more passive and seemingly benign expressions such as “shut up and play, stay in your lane, etc”

One of the great challenges in changing this is in recognizing that white privilege is a blindspot for many of us.

Everyone just wants to live and enjoy their lives and be safe and healthy. But blacks face far greater chalkenges in doing so. Empathy. It’s a thing.

Bag of Pucks

Munny: You clearly have no idea what that phrase means since it was not applicable to my discussion except indirectly.However it does follows the incendiary line of thinking you were putting forward.

It is also a horrible misquote.If you are going to attempt to quote Gandhi, at least do him the justice of using his actual words and context.

Seems like you weren’t leaving the conversation as much waiting for an opportunity to have the last word?

pts2pndr

jp: You said “tool kit”, not skating. Though I’ll agree Teubert was probably a poor example.

My point was that the tool kit doesn’t always translate (Teubert did have enough of one to be drafted 13th btw).

If you’re talking skating then I think Jones has a clear advantage over Samorukov from what I’ve read.

For me toolkit includes hockey IQ, skating, shot, passing and competitive nature. The later for defensmen shows as hard to play against which includes truculence.

Munny

Bag of Pucks: You too! Be the change you want to see in this world.

You clearly have no idea what that phrase means since it was not applicable to my discussion except indirectly. However it does follows the incendiary line of thinking you were putting forward.

It is also a horrible misquote. If you are going to attempt to quote Gandhi, at least do him the justice of using his actual words and context.

OriginalPouzar

pts2pndr: I see their skating as a strength for both players. Samorukov is two years younger and his defence and shot are equal or superior to Jones. He lacks the experience however he plays a far greater physical game and not fun to play against. Jones will have a good career but I believe that Samorukov has the higher ceiling.

Oh, there is no doubt that Samorukov has the higher ceiling – in my opinion, he has the higher ceiling than Bouchard or Broberg due to his skill-set – he is plus in all the required skills.

Of course, the chances of him developing all of those tools and translating them to the NHL level are slim and he’s unlikely to hit that ceiling but I think its there. In any event, he is a tantalizing prospect to me that could bottom out as a tweener and could top out as a top pairing guy and likely finishes somewhere in the 3-5 spot.

Indy

Joe Strummer, man. Thanks LT.

Genjutsu

Bag of Pucks: A false equivalency, like athletes locking arms being described as ‘conformity mob politics?’

Wanting to end systemic racism isn’t political. It’s basic human decency.

There are some very intelligent people here and else where that seem to want make other believe it’s all just politics.

At least we’re talking about it, instead of just pretending doesn’t exist and everything is alright.

jp

pts2pndr: I see their skating as a strength for both players. Samorukov is two years younger and his defence and shot are equal or superior to Jones. He lacks the experience however he plays a far greater physical game and not fun to play against. Jones will have a good career but I believe that Samorukov has the higher ceiling.

I don’t really know about Samorukov’s skating. I’d be very surprised if it was equal to Jones’. I could be wrong though, and for sure Samorukov has other things going for him.

In any case, I’m not trying to say Samorukov can’t/won’t make it. He’s just got a long climb ahead of him to get there. And Jones has already made most of the climb.

If Samorukov eventually passes Jones that would be great. I don’t think the odds are strong, but it would be really cool.

jp

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Twenty-two minute video released today by the Oilers where Tony Brar interviews Tyler Wright one on one about the draft. I’ll post a loose transcription for those who don’t want to watch it all or can’t.

Thanks a lot for that. Took me about half the time to read as it would have to watch. Glad I did and now we can quote it too!

Nary a mention of statistics or math, but some interesting stuff about the core of the team and the philosophy of what they’re building. Sounds like Wright is pretty tight with Holland as well.

pts2pndr

jp: You said “tool kit”, not skating. Though I’ll agree Teubert was probably a poor example.

My point was that the tool kit doesn’t always translate (Teubert did have enough of one to be drafted 13th btw).

If you’re talking skating then I think Jones has a clear advantage over Samorukov from what I’ve read.

I see their skating as a strength for both players. Samorukov is two years younger and his defence and shot are equal or superior to Jones. He lacks the experience however he plays a far greater physical game and not fun to play against. Jones will have a good career but I believe that Samorukov has the higher ceiling.

jp

OriginalPouzar: Rather bring Smith back?Whoa…

Smith was worse on a better team this past season and likely to be even worse next season.

As I said, I think Dell is better than his numbers the last two years -the previous two years he was much better when the team in front of him was better.

Yes, for the likely price tag, I’d be OK pencilling him for 30 games behind Mikko.

Dell had the advantage in SV% last year .907 to .902.

In 18-19 Dell was .886 vs Smith .898. (Dell was the worst of 60 goalies >20 games in 18-19)

As I posted above, over 2 years Dell had a worse SV% than Smith.

In terms of his numbers being due to his team… that team had strongly positive underlying numbers over the last 2 seasons. Yet they got outscored and had the worst SV% in the league.

Is that the goalie suffering because of the team? Or the team suffering because of the goalie? I’m guessing it’s the latter but I could be wrong. Definitely not comfortable bringing in one of the potential culprits and expecting him to play 30-40 average games.

And Smith. He’s old and likely to decline, agreed. The Oilers also outscored their opponents 116-106 when he was in net, despite the .902 SV%. I give some (but not full) credit for that. And his SV% was actually better than Dell’s if you look over 2 years.

Personally, I hope Holland does what he can to bring a goalie better than both Smith and Dell.

$2M-$3M should buy a far better better bet than Smith/Dell this offseason, IMO.

jp

pts2pndr: No Colton Teubert’s skating was identified early as a deficiency.Both Samorukov and Broberg are above average to elite skaters.

You said “tool kit”, not skating. Though I’ll agree Teubert was probably a poor example.

My point was that the tool kit doesn’t always translate (Teubert did have enough of one to be drafted 13th btw).

If you’re talking skating then I think Jones has a clear advantage over Samorukov from what I’ve read.

pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar:
I 100% disagree with the premise that we know what Jones is at 23 and there isn’t much more room to grow.

He’s improved year after year since he was drafted and throughout this past season there was substantial development.He just turned 23 and will be 23 and the end of next season.He’s played 60 NHL games.

I feel comfortable to project Jones as a top four NHL D, I would agree that we don’t have enough games played to determine what his top end is. Time will tell which is why I think moving either of Klefbom or Nurse this year is premature.

pts2pndr

jp: Sure, but so was Colten Teubert’s.

No Colton Teubert’s skating was identified early as a deficiency. Both Samorukov and Broberg are above average to elite skaters.

Solly

No to OEL. Like many have said before me, Holland gave us hope by somehow getting rid of Lucic’s contract (which is still the best thing he’s done in his short tenure here)…

So why would we go chase another whale contract in OEL? Annnnd give up material players to acquire him? No doubt he’s a top pairing D still, but that contract takes him out of contention for us and we have lots of LHD capable of NHL ice-time. Internally on the left-side will more than suffice this year. OEL is the definition of insanity for the Oilers…and OEL doesn’t have the impact this team needs to take the next step.

If Holland’s focus is to make the D better (I don’t think it is) then we should be going after Parayko. Some have mentioned a trade makes sense in St. Louis to get Puetrangelo signed. Some on here have suggested trades for OEL…why not just switch out OEL for Parayko in those trades? Like this:

Klefbom/Larsson + Benson + JP for Parayko and Bozak.
(4.2 + 0.5 + ??? for 5.5 + 5 = St. Louis sheds about $5 mil to sign their captain, get a top pairing D-man back, and take 2 risks on cheap potential)

I don’t like giving up on Benson already, but both teams have to win something out of the trade. This seems like fair value, even if you swap Benson out for some of our other “moveable” players, there might be something there… The money savings was the key factor for slotting Benson in but I’m not sure he has enough value to get St. Louis to consider this.

Not sure who initially had the idea to trade for Parayko + Bozak but I believe that is the route to pursue if the Oilers are aiming to upgrade the back-end. The above trade fills out the top 4 D and we get that 3C who wins draws and scores every once in a while. Yes 5 mil is too much for Bozy, but his contract is only 2 more years and St. Louis needs to get rid of his contract.

I don’t think we need to look at D this off-season unless the trade is too good to say no…like… a trade we can’t even fathom because of the perpetual fleecing over the years has blinded us from winning a trade.

I also think Haas will be given the 3C role unless we find a UFA for close to league minimum. Haas was signed for 3C/4C role so he will get that look this year.

Go get a goalie!!! A good one while there’s legit options available this year. Lots of them. If the Lehner rumors are true (5mil x 5) out of Vegas, getting a starting goalie off the UFA market for cheap is a very high possibility this year. How often does that happen?

With the limited cap space this year…an elite goalie for cheap(er) and a trade for a top-6 winger is the step this team needs to take. Other shortcomings can be addresses during the season/trade deadline/etc. We need to start making trades when it’s ideal for us and desperation for the other guys. And this off-season reeks of desperation…

OriginalPouzar

jp: I agree fully on the last part. There’s no need to pay big money for those guys. But there are other options available between the Holtby/Murry and Dell’s price points.

I’m not at all sure about Dell myself. Would you really feel comfortable penciling him in for 30-40GP? I would not.

He has a career .908 SV%.

Last 3 years .904 SV%

Last 2 years .899 SV% (52nd of 56 goalies with 40+ games; Mike Smith was 48th of 56)

Last year .907 (35th of 57 with 20+ games)

The numbers are so damn bad.

Maybe it’s because he’s on a bad team. Or you know, maybe having bad goaltenders is the reason the team is bad.

(last 2 seasons the Sharks have the worst 5v5 SV% in the league and were 47.6GF%. They were also 52.4SF%, 52.5xGF%, 52.1SCF%, 52.5HDCF%)

I think I’d rather bring Smith back.

Rather bring Smith back? Whoa…

Smith was worse on a better team this past season and likely to be even worse next season.

As I said, I think Dell is better than his numbers the last two years -the previous two years he was much better when the team in front of him was better.

Yes, for the likely price tag, I’d be OK pencilling him for 30 games behind Mikko.

OriginalPouzar

I 100% disagree with the premise that we know what Jones is at 23 and there isn’t much more room to grow.

He’s improved year after year since he was drafted and throughout this past season there was substantial development. He just turned 23 and will be 23 and the end of next season. He’s played 60 NHL games.

Scungilli Slushy

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Jaxon,

I know JP has some interesting data suggesting forwards chosen in the same cohort as first round goaltenders tend to impact their team in *about the same time period.

But considering the depth of this draft class, I’d wager a forward is more likely to step in and contribute more quickly than Askarov.

Curious why you would choose the goaltender over a possible impact forward if both were available at 14?I’m interested in your thought process, not just for today’s teem but going forward.

Few teams are always in the mix without the most important position on the team playing at a consistent top level.

The question is whether he’s that good or not. If he is it’s worth the risk as he’ll be on the team soon. And a major contributor.

As the best players do.

Which is also why you should always trade up in the first two rounds not down. If possible.

Like what if you found interest in LA trading with their first and a strong goalie/3C for Klef JP and our first?

Are we better or worse? Long term.

jp

OriginalPouzar:
I think Dell is better than his numbers over the past two seasons playing on a terrible Shark team.

The Oilers have a goalie locked in at $4.5M that has proven capable of playing a solid 40 games, probably 50.

Paying assets and/or material money for risks such as Holtby, Murray, etc. doesn’t ring true to me.

I agree fully on the last part. There’s no need to pay big money for those guys. But there are other options available between the Holtby/Murry and Dell’s price points.

I’m not at all sure about Dell myself. Would you really feel comfortable penciling him in for 30-40GP? I would not.

He has a career .908 SV%.

Last 3 years .904 SV%

Last 2 years .899 SV% (52nd of 56 goalies with 40+ games; Mike Smith was 48th of 56)

Last year .907 (35th of 57 with 20+ games)

The numbers are so damn bad.

Maybe it’s because he’s on a bad team. Or you know, maybe having bad goaltenders is the reason the team is bad.

(last 2 seasons the Sharks have the worst 5v5 SV% in the league and were 47.6GF%. They were also 52.4SF%, 52.5xGF%, 52.1SCF%, 52.5HDCF%)

I think I’d rather bring Smith back.

Scungilli Slushy

OriginalPouzar: I am a fan of Caleb Jones and think that, after this coming season, he will essentially prove to be a “must-protect” and have all but solidified himself as a future 2nd pairing d-man.

He has already shown to be able to fill in for Klef and play very well 5 on 5.

With that said, filling if for a few week stretch and performing well (while the other top 4 pairing is relied on more) is not the same as playing 25 minutes night after night like Klefbom does.

Even if Jones could replicate Klef’s performance on the ice in isolation – proving to be able to do that in heavy minutes, night after night after night is different.

I do think that Jones will prove to be 2RD ready through this season but can’t say that there wouldn’t be much of a drop-off from the 25 min/game guy.

I agree

BUT

Teams that are able to make positive hockey trades are more often than not able to identify early who is who.

The Oilers wait until emerging players fail and get nothing for them etc etc

Jones is 23. They either know him or don’t. He is what he is for the most part.

And my point ‘saying as things are’ means Klef has missed significant games yearly and has not been strong defensively. Same for Larsson.

Is it a big drop off given the Swedes are who they are and players like Jones will grow with opportunity?

I often say sticking the course with ‘vets’ that aren’t actually getting it done, what matters most, is a plan to not grow as a team.

Sure there will be mistakes but the vets are consistently making them.

I say go for established young players that can grow and see the same level of fails but with long term upside and cap savings .

That is how the glory team did it, let good players grow together as a group.

Victoria Oil

jp: Definitely depends on the acquisition. A lot of the actual UFAs are pretty old so 2 years is likely (Khudobin, Greiss).

Great to hear Konovalov is starting out hot, if he can get back to where he was in his draft (.930) then yeah, very definitely a good candidate for 1B in 2021 or 22.

My enthusiasm for Konovalov is tempered by the fact that .930 save percentages are fairly common in the KHL and the average is around .920. Konovalov was below average last year, above average the previous year and about average for the last two years overall. What he does have going for him is the fact that he is still one of the youngest keepers in the KHL.

OriginalPouzar

I think Dell is better than his numbers over the past two seasons playing on a terrible Shark team.

The Oilers have a goalie locked in at $4.5M that has proven capable of playing a solid 40 games, probably 50.

Paying assets and/or material money for risks such as Holtby, Murray, etc. doesn’t ring true to me.

Scungilli Slushy

godot10: Nurse’s boxcars and SportLogiq say that you need to get a new set of eyes, or eyeglasses.

The stats to me tell us Nurse in the end gets the job done.

The eye tells me he is a very inefficient player.

What he has in amazing physical tools he lacks in skill. Or whatever it is.

If he is paid correctly he’s a rare player.

leadfarmer

OriginalPouzar: Think Greiss and those in his “snack bracket” will be looking for a few years.

I’d be just fine with going with Aaron Dell for one year – cheap and a good bet.

Spend the money (if there is any to spend) elsewhere.

Aaron Dell isn’t very good

Bag of Pucks

vangolf:
Bag of Pucks,

It is clear why munny decided not to converse with you. You end with a false equivalency that is precisely the point and (intentionally?) offensive. Tells me there is not fertile ground for discussion, so I’ll join munny.

A false equivalency, like athletes locking arms being described as ‘conformity mob politics?’

Scungilli Slushy

godot10: Kassian doesn’t protect anybody.Saad and Kubalik ran all over the Oilers, and the petit Chicago D were flying all over the ice.And he has no interest in blocking a point shot.

Russell can do his job.The Chicago D would have at least know there were opposition forwards on the ice.

True but Nurse wasn’t physical as well.

I think that it was coaching as the Oilers we’re getting penalized for everything.

The only way to change the calls is be a contender. Hopefully.

OriginalPouzar

Woogie63: Me as well, if the Oiler’s can secure a Smith type contract or a very tradable contract in the second year for this years 1B .The sequence could be good.

20/21 Koskinen/“Greiss”
21/22 Koskinen/Konovalov
22/23 Konovalov/Rodríguez

Think Greiss and those in his “snack bracket” will be looking for a few years.

I’d be just fine with going with Aaron Dell for one year – cheap and a good bet.

Spend the money (if there is any to spend) elsewhere.

godot10

jp: Definitely depends on the acquisition. A lot of the actual UFAs are pretty old so 2 years is likely (Khudobin, Greiss).

Great to hear Konovalov is starting out hot, if he can get back to where he was in his draft (.930) then yeah, very definitely a good candidate for 1B in 2021 or 22.

He has got MacT finally out of his system! -).

jp

OriginalPouzar: As of now, Haas likely has the “inside track” on that 3C spot and, while far from a surety, I think there is a small but decent chance he could cover the bet if he stays healthy – don’t get me wrong, a Haula would be a clear upgrade but Haas’ skill-set, including being a plus PK guy in Europe, being very good defensively, being able to draw penalties, etc. line up. With a year of North America under his belt, maybe there is a chance.

Are there 30 points in the there with AA (Benson) and Kassian (Puljujarvi)?

Agreed that Haas is the most likely 3C right now. I would be shocked if Holland doesn’t add another C though. I’m pretty sure Haas/Khaira are 4C/5C on the whiteboard (in no particular order).

Sheahan only cost $900k last off season and played ahead of Haas/Khaira. That’s the worst case scenario IMO, if Holland can’t clear cap for a “real” 3C addition. There should be more and better bargain basement players this off season too. I actually think that player, whoever he is, probably has the inside track on 3C.

That said it’s definitely possible that Haas finds/earns the 3C spot in the end. And you never know, with good wingers 30 points could be possible.

godot10

OriginalPouzar:
Damn, Pit retained the full 50% on Bjugstad – I know all about the injuries but $2M for one year – would have been a solid be for a 3C stop gap. Damn.

Pittsburgh really isn’t retaining per se. They are just paying for the 40 games Bjugstad will be on the injured list! -).

Woogie63

OriginalPouzar:
I’m starting to get a bit excited about the potential for Konovalov to be next year’s 1B.

I wonder what type of term Holland is thinking about for his goalie acquisition this off-season?

I guess that depends on if he’s getting a younger guy with some a view to the future (like a CBJ goalie).

Me as well, if the Oiler’s can secure a Smith type contract or a very tradable contract in the second year for this years 1B . The sequence could be good.

20/21 Koskinen/“Greiss”
21/22 Koskinen/Konovalov
22/23 Konovalov/Rodríguez

vangolf

Bag of Pucks,

It is clear why munny decided not to converse with you. You end with a false equivalency that is precisely the point and (intentionally?) offensive. Tells me there is not fertile ground for discussion, so I’ll join munny.

jp

OriginalPouzar:
I’m starting to get a bit excited about the potential for Konovalov to be next year’s 1B.

I wonder what type of term Holland is thinking about for his goalie acquisition this off-season?

I guess that depends on if he’s getting a younger guy with some a view to the future (like a CBJ goalie).

Definitely depends on the acquisition. A lot of the actual UFAs are pretty old so 2 years is likely (Khudobin, Greiss).

Great to hear Konovalov is starting out hot, if he can get back to where he was in his draft (.930) then yeah, very definitely a good candidate for 1B in 2021 or 22.

Woogie63

OriginalPouzar: Oh, I would anticipate that Marody is very much on the outside looking in coming in to training camp – at the same time, at least as of now, there are roster spots open for his taking.

He had a poor regression year, no doubt, but, of course, we know that he was not “right” essentially all year long and, during the pause, was talking about finally feeling healthy for the first time.

If he is back to “2018-19 Marody”, speed notwithstanding, he’s got a shot.

Of course, Holland can’t and won’t go in to camp relying on him.

Marody looked good at camp. I suspect Tippet has a good handle on the medical side, so it will not be like the start of a regular year. They will have seen how much he has recovered from the 19/20 injuries.

The thing with the line up I proposed it is filled with centers – Hopkins, Khaira, AA, Hass and Marody (McDavid, Draisaitl) provides the coach with lots of options to properly fill 10-12 minutes a night.

The key to Marody is playing with some skilled wingers (AA, JP) so his passing and wingers can cover the ice.

He also RHC so that is a small check mark.

jp

pts2pndr: It is going to be very interesting particularly if there is a very abbreviated and or no 20/21 NHL season because both Samorukov and Broberg may get his lunch money. Both their tool kits are better than Jone’s.

Sure, but so was Colten Teubert’s.

Bag of Pucks

vangolf: I don’t think the booing was aimed at rejecting the common sense messages of unity and equality. I also think the vast majority of people have an ingrained sense of fairness. On this basis, I think it is more reasonable to suggest they were booing conformity mob politics, and people being cast as villains or heroes for the colour of their skin. Reasonable balanced discussion left town a while ago.

I can’t speculate as to individual reasons for Missourians booing. All i know is there was no anthems being disrepected and they boo’d two teams trying to have a simple show of unity, including the home team that just won them a Super Bowl.

I can only imagine what their biracial QB thought of it.

Hmmm. What’s worse? Being forced to watch a show of racial solidarity at a sporting event or being shot in the back?

leadfarmer

OriginalPouzar:
Damn, Pit retained the full 50% on Bjugstad – I know all about the injuries but $2M for one year – would have been a solid be for a 3C stop gap. Damn.

Would have been a good 3c for 30-50 games
Damn injuries

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer: The entire analysis shows us that he’s a puck skating D and not a puck moving D.
Which is what most think of the player

I believe Godot posted that in response to the suggestion that Nurse “hasn’t got a clue where to go with it once he reaches the other teams zone”.

Now that is not an uncommon opinion but the numbers are fairly jarring with respect to the amount of scoring chances created on his zone entires and the percentage of those zone entries that lead to scoring chances. Yes, there is lots of McDavid time on ice but not a materially higher percentage than Klef.

OriginalPouzar

Damn, Pit retained the full 50% on Bjugstad – I know all about the injuries but $2M for one year – would have been a solid be for a 3C stop gap. Damn.

Jaxon

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Jaxon,

I know JP has some interesting data suggesting forwards chosen in the same cohort as first round goaltenders tend to impact their team in *about the same time period.

But considering the depth of this draft class, I’d wager a forward is more likely to step in and contribute more quickly than Askarov.

Curious why you would choose the goaltender over a possible impact forward if both were available at 14?I’m interested in your thought process, not just for today’s teem but going forward.

I think they key is drafting an impact forward vs drafting a franchise goalie. And as we’ve witnessed this playoff and really every playoff is that goaltending can win you or lose you playoff series. If Askarov is that goalie, and the hype around him seems to say he is, then I’d take him over an impact forward. As for timelines, I’d agree that one of the first 2 in goalies drafted in any year may have similar arrival times to a mid to late round pick. Also, I’m still drafting the most valuable player available and that is the possible franchise goalie. Askarov is possibly the next Price, Task, Ward, Giguere, Lehtonen, Vasilevsky, Hart, Crawford, or Fleury. Those are the type of players who help you win cups.

Also, if we playing the long game and this just might be a franchise type goalie and let’s say he takes 5 years which would be on the long side for a top goalie. But for arguments sake let’s say he takes 5 years to have an impact. Well, where are we in 5 years? Maybe we’ve won a Cup, maybe we haven’t. But I’m sure we’ve at least had a couple good runs at it and have gone deep in the playoffs. Salaries have gone up but Holland has managed to hold onto a pretty decent core. But that core is all coming to the end of their contracts. How do you convince them to stay on? I think a franchise goalie like a Vasilevsky or a Samsonov or a Hart might go along way in convincing players like Stamkos, Ovechkin and Giroux to stay put. Just like an Askarov might go a long way in convincing McDavid, Draisaitl and Nurse to stay put. It’s a long play but I think it’s the right one. That said, there appears to be only about a 1/3 chance he’ll still be there at #14.

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer: Do you have the numbers so we can analyze them?
Nurse is good at skating the puck out of the zone but unfortunately that is the slowest least efficient way and gives the defense time to get set up

https://oilersnation.com/2020/08/26/the-nhls-top-puck-movers-and-puck-transporters/

https://oilersnation.com/2020/08/27/zone-entries-that-lead-to-shots-and-scoring-chances/

vangolf

Bag of Pucks:
Munny,

Imagine a world where rather than booing, fans locked arms with the fans on either side of them regardless of their race, creed or colour.

If fans did that, it starts to signal actual societal change about racial equality and brings us a step closer to not needing demonstrations as reminders of the inequality.

But let’s be real, there’s a massive chunk of the population that isn’t interested in meaningful action on this. A ‘shut up and play’ mentality maintains their preferred status quo.

If I’m the NBA or NFL, i would consider it a win if less MAGA morons are watching.

I don’t think the booing was aimed at rejecting the common sense messages of unity and equality. I also think the vast majority of people have an ingrained sense of fairness. On this basis, I think it is more reasonable to suggest they were booing conformity mob politics, and people being cast as villains or heroes for the colour of their skin. Reasonable balanced discussion left town a while ago.

OriginalPouzar

I’m starting to get a bit excited about the potential for Konovalov to be next year’s 1B.

I wonder what type of term Holland is thinking about for his goalie acquisition this off-season?

I guess that depends on if he’s getting a younger guy with some a view to the future (like a CBJ goalie).

OriginalPouzar

dustrock:
Yeah if’ we’re talking Parayko or Ekblad for Klefbom, I’m listening.

Well, yes, Parayko is on a MUCH better contract and fills a position of less organizational depth.

The Oilers would need to add, of course.

OriginalPouzar

pts2pndr: Thanks for your updates I really enjoy them. It looks like Broberg is going to turn up the offence this year.

It certainly looks like he’s going to get an ice time push and be relied upon – he has been raved about by his coach and the likes of Fredrik Olausson…..

What was great about that goal is it showed the skill and skill with the puck – something in question with this player.

Sure, terrible rebound by the goalie but he didn’t just put the puck on net but made a quick skill play to score.

Good Arrow Up!

Harpers Hair

Listened to an interesting interview today with Rick Dhaliwal who is very plugged in with many agents.

He’s saying that many teams will not be tendering qualifying offers to RFAs as a way to save money.

The market could be flooded with young UFAs.

who

godot10: Klefbom, Kassian, and Puljujarvi for Ekman-Larsson.

Huge overpay.
I guess you hate Kassian that much.

godot10

OriginalPouzar:
Nathan MacKinnon wins the Lady Bing.

The only hardware he’ll pick up this season – awards are soon going German!

Saved the Professional Hockey Writers from embarrassing themselves if Captain Underpants or Tipsy Driver had won.