The Name Game

by Lowetide

I’ve been thinking about this for some time, and have talked about it previously. Let’s play a game. Edmonton walks RFA’s Andreas Athanasiou and Matt Benning, allowing Ken Holland to spend an additional $5 million on free agents. And what if he spent it on RFA’s from other teams who have also been set free?

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RFA’S ON THE LOOSE?

What if most of the RFA’s are walked? I’m not talking about Ethan Bear, but rather about men who are arbitration eligible? Or those who have value but may not be worth the price? Could the Oilers use some of that $5 million on some value adds?

LW Drake Caggiula, Chicago Blackhawks. He made $1.5 million last year and is arbitration eligible. His five on five per 60 total is 1.79 and he’s a speed merchant. The ‘Hawks have $8 million in cap room and have to sign Dominik Kubalik, Corey Crawford and Dylan Strome, among others. Per 82 NHL games, he has scored 15 goals. If Holland could grab him for $1.1 million?

LW Andreas Athanasiou, Edmonton Oilers. He made $3 million last year and delivered just 1.26 five on five points per 60 after seasons of 1.95, 1.81 and 1.97. He could be a fine addition as the No. 3 left wing who jumps up the depth chart when the need arises. Could Holland sign him to $2.2 million?

RW Jake Virtanen, Vancouver Canucks. He earned $1.25 million last season and scored 18 goals. Canucks management expressed that they expected more from him in the postseason, perhaps there’s an opportunity. He posted 1.93 points per 60 at five on five, while his most common linemates were Adam Gaudette and Antoine Roussel. A weird situation but perhaps an opportunity to take advantage.

A long way to go, but it’s at least worth considering the idea: Broberg might be playing his final season in the SHL. Then it comes down to where he’ll play 2020-21. Two things: Remember who drafted Broberg (Holland) and keep in mind what Tyler Wright told Tony Brar: “We want to play with speed, we want to play with intensity and competitiveness. You have to be able to defend in this league. You look at last night, Dallas wins one nothing.” 

We don’t get much on the late-round Euros unless they play in Sweden or Finland. Mazura is an interesting player, older than you’d think but he has skill.

OILERS DRAFT LIST

I do this internally, but there are public reports this year pertaining to Edmonton’s interest in specific players. Here’s an attempt at the Oilers top 15 entering the draft.

  1. L Alexis Lafreniere, QMJHL.
  2. LC Quinton Byfield, OHL.
  3. LC Tim Stutzle, DEL.
  4. LD Jake Sanderson, USHL.
  5. LC Cole Perfetti, OHL.
  6. RW Alexander Holtz, SHL.
  7. LW Lucas Raymond, SHL.
  8. RW Jack Quinn OHL.
  9. LW Dylan Holloway, Big 10. 
  10. G Yaroslav Askarov, VHL. 
  11. RC Jacob Perreault, OHL.
  12. LD Kaiden Guhle, WHL.
  13. RW Dawson Mercer, QMJHL.
  14. RC Mavrik Bourque, QMJHL.
  15. LC Marco Rossi, OHL.
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leadfarmer

After last years draft I would be absolutely shocked if only 2 D are taken in top 15. Everyone wants D and C at the draft

OriginalPouzar

Samorukov with an assist and 16 minutes of ice in a 5-1 win today.

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

Ritchie also has some solid relative numbers on the defensive side of the puck over the last 2 years in Anaheim. Might make for a really solid add.

SwedishPoster

Outside of the pretty goal Broberg also blocked a shot/pass with his face. Had a solid game overall. An interesting note, sort of, is that the goalie he’s scoring on in that clip is former Islander Kevin Poulin who’s signed with Björklöven(translates to “the birch leaf”) an Allsvenskan team and local rival to Skellefteå, despite the two being in different tiers for many years.
Björklöven got truly screwed by the corona break btw, they won Allsvenskan last season but when the hockey association decided to just pull the plug on the season they missed their chance to get promoted ti the SHL.

Lavoie had his first point, an assist, after Nils Höglander put home a rebound from his Ovie-spot blast. He got some good power on that shot as well. He’s found his way onto PP2 for this one, hopefully he can hold on to his spot. Rögle were missing one of their top line forwards so they changed the lines a bit, Höglander was moved off Lavoie’s third line to the top line for example, so he had some different linemates 5v5 as well.

SwedishPoster

Filip Berglund is playing in an hour with Linköping, they were supposed to play mid-week but it was cancelled due to four players on the roster having covidesque symptoms, all four tested negative for covid so the team will be playing tonight. It’s now also been decided that games will be postponed if five or more players/coaches are showing symptoms on covid. Less than that and teams have to play, only using those who are healthy of course.

Rondo

I think Oilers would have interest in Seth Jarvis in the 2020 draft

dustrock

Rondo:
I think Oilers would have interest in Seth Jarvis in the 2020 draft

Was going to say a high-ranking WHL guy would surely be on the list.

Woogie63

I don’t see Athanasiou taking a 27% cut in pay to play in Edmonton, when coach preferred him on a line without 97 or 29.

Two recent wingers were paid a premium to play the wing in Edmonton;
We paid 29 year old Kassian 4x$3.20M for his 15 EVG
We paid 28 year old Chiasson 2x$2.15M For his 5 EVG

Munny

LT said,

What if most of the RFA’s are walked?

If only a few arb-eligible RFAs were qualified, would the PA put forward a collusion case?

Honest question.

dustrock

Rest in Power to Toots (of Toots & the Maytals).

One of the all-time great vocalists. Funky Kingston, Pressure Drop, 54-46 That’s My Number.

And if you’ve never listened to his cover of Radiohead’s Let Down, do yourself a favor. Turns a dreary song into something triumphant.

https://youtu.be/cfYg1ZJfEWY

SwedishPoster

SwedishPoster,

Here’s a link to Lavoie’s assist, he sure can shoot the puck.

buck yoakam

dustrock,

just listened to pressure drop on WWOZ new orleans…excellent stuff!

SwedishPoster
Woogie63

I have wrote before on bringing the Oiler’s AHL team to Edmonton – several team operational and player’s life advantages, the revenue from the fans could cover the added travel.

Is this the time for Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver to join Winnipeg as Canadian based AHL team and make the western Canadian division.

I don’t see how teams are going to get across the boarder to play or support their parent team.

A team plane for the NHL/AHL team might be a new requirement for all NHL teams going forward – it certainly would be a non cap advantage – like the arena- for the team.

Jaxon

This is probably the Oilers more realistic list. There is no plausible scenario where anyone from the top 8 drops enough. But starting at 9 there are a few with slim chance of being available.
Players Percentage of 16 Mocks available in:
9 Anton Lundell 12.50%
10 Jake Sanderson 12.50%
11 Jack Quinn 18.75%
12 Yaroslav Askarov 37.50%
13 Braden Schneider 56.25%
14 Dawson Mercer 62.50%
15 Kaiden Guhle 62.50%
16 Seth Jarvis 68.75%
17 Rodion Amirov 87.50%
18 Dylan Holloway 93.75%
19 Connor Zary 93.75%
20 Mavrik Bourque 100.00%
21 Noel Gunler 100.00%

godot10

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
Ritchie also has some solid relative numbers on the defensive side of the puck over the last 2 years in Anaheim. Might make for a really solid add.

A Tweedle Dum to Kassian’s Tweedle Dee.

Intelligent disciplined hockey players please. Players who have no self control only contribute to losing.

godot10

Munny:
LT said,

What if most of the RFA’s are walked?

If only a few arb-eligible RFAs were qualified, would the PA put forward a collusion case?

Honest question.

I think most NHL teams can point to their cap situation, and that they cannot risk an arbitration decision, especially on that they cannot walk away from.

godot10

godot10: A Tweedle Dum to Kassian’s Tweedle Dee.

Intelligent disciplined hockey players please. Players who have no self control only contribute to losing.

Nick Ritchie, according to CapFriendly, is actually signed for next year. And is NOT an RFA.

Still Boston’s problem.

godot10

If there are RFA’s on the loose, as well as Hoffman and Dadanov, that should bring the price of Granlund down.

Granlund should be the target.

GordieHoweHatTrick

Woogie63:
I don’t see Athanasiou taking a 27% cut in pay to play in Edmonton, when coach preferred him on a line without 97 or 29.

Two recent wingers were paid a premium to play the wing in Edmonton;
We paid29 year old Kassian 4x$3.20M for his 15 EVG
We paid 28 year old Chiasson 2x$2.15M For his 5 EVG

Pre-Covid re-set

GordieHoweHatTrick

Munny:
LT said,

What if most of the RFA’s are walked?

If only a few arb-eligible RFAs were qualified, would the PA put forward a collusion case?

Honest question.

Given that the owners are taking the hit for Covid costs, I don’t think this would fly…
Basically there is going to be a justifiable real-time market correction for FAs this year and next (most likely)

GordieHoweHatTrick

Woogie63:
I have wrote before on bringing the Oiler’s AHL team to Edmonton – several team operational and player’s life advantages, the revenue from the fans could cover the added travel.

Is this the time for Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver to join Winnipeg as Canadian based AHL team and make the western Canadian division.

I don’t see how teams are going to get across the boarder to play or support their parent team.

A team plane for the NHL/AHL team might be a new requirement for all NHL teams going forward – it certainly would be a non cap advantage – like the arena- for the team.

Excellent point. From challenges, come opportunities. It makes sense in the short-term and the long-term…Of course doing it is probably a major PITA, but should be in some conversations with OEG or whoever makes decisions …

pts2pndr

Woogie63:
I don’t see Athanasiou taking a 27% cut in pay to play in Edmonton, when coach preferred him on a line without 97 or 29.

Two recent wingers were paid a premium to play the wing in Edmonton;
We paid29 year old Kassian 4x$3.20M for his 15 EVG
We paid 28 year old Chiasson 2x$2.15M For his 5 EVG

The COVID break was unfortunate for the Oilers as it limited their chances to see where AA would best fit. As far as what players can expect for salaries with flat cap and decreased revenues it is unreasonable to compare what players made prior to the pandemic as to what they may get payed now.

GordieHoweHatTrick

Woogie63:
I have wrote before on bringing the Oiler’s AHL team to Edmonton – several team operational and player’s life advantages, the revenue from the fans could cover the added travel.

Is this the time for Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver to join Winnipeg as Canadian based AHL team and make the western Canadian division.

I don’t see how teams are going to get across the boarder to play or support their parent team.

A team plane for the NHL/AHL team might be a new requirement for all NHL teams going forward – it certainly would be a non cap advantage – like the arena- for the team.

PS. It is also highly likely that the Edmonton market would support the team financially (much cheaper tickets than Oil, good hockey, what’s not to like?)

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

godot10,

I don’t entirely disagree. I wouldn’t have both him AND Kassian on with McDavid, but I’d support either or. Do you hold the same distaste for Maroon?

GordieHoweHatTrick

Teams with CAP space and are not fiscally restricted at this point in time are going to make out like bandits on FA signings the next two years. Its like blowing your load at the candy store, and then to come out and see the candy store next door has slashed their prices by 50%…damn candy store won’t take returns…. ;(

The Oilers have the luxury of spending to the CAP, but don’t have much space…liquidating to get CAP space should be the #1 priority right now (moving KRusty and Chia for eg).

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

godot10: Nick Ritchie, according to CapFriendly, is actually signed for next year.And is NOT an RFA.

Still Boston’s problem.

Kase, too. Maybe LT looked at Boston’s Capfriendly page and didn’t note that the site changed over to the 2020-21 year recently.

pts2pndr

Munny:
LT said,

What if most of the RFA’s are walked?

If only a few arb-eligible RFAs were qualified, would the PA put forward a collusion case?

Honest question.

I think it would be very hard to prove collusion given the current economic conditions. The team after all is said and done loses an asset. It is thought provoking nonetheless.

pts2pndr

GordieHoweHatTrick: PS. It is also highly likely that the Edmonton market would support the team financially (much cheaper tickets than Oil, good hockey, what’s not to like?)

Their fear was the damage that would be incurred by WHL. There were a number of ideas put forward for an all Canadian AHL division during the strike.

Woogie63

pts2pndr: Their fear was the damage that wouldbe incurred by WHL. There were a number of ideas put forward for an all Canadian AHL division during the strike.

I see the Giants, Hitman and Oil Kings as nice to have where a AHL team would be strategic AND nice to have.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual,

I was big on a swap at the last deadline, something along the lines of JJ for Ritchie. He’s an interesting target for the bottom six.

Eh Team

GordieHoweHatTrick: PS. It is also highly likely that the Edmonton market would support the team financially (much cheaper tickets than Oil, good hockey, what’s not to like?)

Would kill the Oil King attendance

godot10

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
godot10,

I don’t entirely disagree. I wouldn’t have both him AND Kassian on with McDavid, but I’d support either or. Do you hold the same distaste for Maroon?

Maroon has a brain and a measure of self-control. Maroon at the price point St. Louis and Tampa are paying him is fine.

Eh Team

With lots of teams close to the cap and a bunch more with lower internal caps, I think we will see a flood of players on the market. Lots of RFA’s will get walked and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a bunch of buy-outs too for those owners who can afford it.

Players who made $3m last year will be getting half of that. And there’s going to be very little market to do salary dumps. Bjudstad was basically given away with 50% retention.

I could see AA, Benning set free and Neal bought out to free up cap space that could be better utilized. Then maybe you bring back AA (or someone similar) at $1.75-2m instead of him going to arb

It’s pretty unlikely next year will be a full year and certainly games will be played with either no attendance or very limited attendance. Players will get prorated salaries based on a short season. At any rate players will only get 50% of revenue at the end of the day.
.

digger50

Rossi drops all the to Oil and they pass? Lundell doesn’t make Oilers list? If this was thier actual list I sure hope they know what they are doing.

When Ken says he has traded down before and it worked out well. No, not really Ken, you didn’t get much at all. And mediocre players can be found every off season where getting one difference maker is a lot harder.

digger50

If Broberg is the model as in big, strong, fast, then Holland must really be hoping for the return of Jessie P.

tavvey tune

Woogie63:
I have wrote before on bringing the Oiler’s AHL team to Edmonton – several team operational and player’s life advantages, the revenue from the fans could cover the added travel.

Is this the time for Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver to join Winnipeg as Canadian based AHL team and make the western Canadian division.

I don’t see how teams are going to get across the boarder to play or support their parent team.

A team plane for the NHL/AHL team might be a new requirement for all NHL teams going forward – it certainly would be a non cap advantage – like the arena- for the team.

I have thought about this too. The AHL schedule mirrors the NHL team and they travel together, assuming the charter has space for an extra 30 people. Put the Oil Kings in Leduc and the Hitmen in Airdrie for a year or two (the Giants are already in the old Pacific Coliseum, i think). There’s your Canadian division, and a way to reduce travel costs. Of course, this only works if the Oilers take Canada-only road trips. If they cross the border, they go alone, while the AHL teams take the bus to play their nearest opponents. AHL teams play half the number of games the NHL does. Better they play somewhere than not at all.
I know this can be shot full of holes, but it’s an intriguing concept nonetheless.

Orion

Hi – not a first time poster, but been a while…
Curious – I’ve seen people look at the possibility of acquiring a RD such as Barrie or DeMelo and then trading Larsson, but could it be done on LD instead? What about signing someone like Brodie, and then trading Klefbom or Nurse for a player you couldn’t get otherwise? I know the Oilers top two LD bring a lot of value, and I’m not trying to trade them, just looking at other ways to move the needle.

Reja

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
godot10,

I don’t entirely disagree. I wouldn’t have both him AND Kassian on with McDavid, but I’d support either or. Do you hold the same distaste for Maroon?

Mcdavid and Leon did their jobs in the playoffs and so far Maroon is just what Tampa needed all along. Kass,Nurse and company get a big fat F did we even have one good bodycheck against Chi-Town. If Kass and Nurse want the big bucks they better start sacrificing their bodies a little more are trade them while we can.

OriginalPouzar

OriginalPouzar:
Samorukov with an assist and 16 minutes of ice in a 5-1 win today.

Of note, Maksimov was up with the big-club today (after a game in the VHL) – 13 minutes of ice with a shot on goal and a hit.

Elgin R

Reja: Mcdavid and Leon did their jobs in the playoffs and so far Maroon is just what Tampa needed all along. Kass,Nurse and company get a big fat F did we even have one good bodycheck against Chi-Town. If Kass and Nurse want the big bucks they better start sacrificing their bodies a little more are trade themwhile we can.

What team is going to trade for Kassian? $3.2 x 4 more years. Last regular season 0.58 PPG and 1.17 PM/G. Totally absent against CBH. Good for Zack, he is set up forever but will be an Oiler for at least a couple more seasons.

Fuge Udvar

Woogie63,

I used to work on the NHL charters coming in to Edmonton. Very few teams own their own plane. Arizona is the only one i can think off the top of my head.

But you can jist charter jets of airlines and it’s much cheaper. If you see Air Canada Jetz those are A320 with better seats that you see most the Canadian teams flying around on.

OriginalPouzar

I get the premise of walking AA and Benning for cap space but would think, if the org isn’t willing to pay the $3M and $2M or is willing to move on from either player that a trade would be do-able as oppossed to unqualified asset removal.

I would imagine that Matt Benning is very tradeable for a decent/solid asset – he is value for his QO (in my opinion) without a material risk of more than a nominal bump in arb. Other orgs may see him as able to play a little more than Tip/Playfair seem to.

There may be some orgs scared away by AA’s $3M QO and potential bump in arbitration but I think that asset is tradeable as well.

My prefence is to keep both unless real value can be extracted in a trade.

AA is going to be a great option on that 3rd line I think – he’ll drive zone entry in the middle six and be able to fill-in the top 6 for injury.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Fuge Udvar,

DET have had their own plane for years. Pretty sure they were the first, at the behest of former owner Mike Ilitch.

flyfish1168

Be interesting how many teams are willing to make an offer for other teams RFAs. Is there a silent unspoken agreement on unsolicited offers.

Rugbypig

GordieHoweHatTrick,

If I was Athanasiou and the Oilers didn’t qualify me at the $3 million and cut me loose, I would take a deal elsewhere regardless of the Oilers free agent offer even if it was better.

Anyone who does not believe every player that this happens to will do this needs to wake up.
We all have pride in our abilities.

Stop treating the players as fools.

leeinvan

They threw away a pick for Green and got shafted by the league for the Neal trade and so I can’t see the GM essentially giving away two 2nd round picks as well.
The trade deadline was terrible GMing, (new word) Hopefully the GM can look at players that don’t play for Detroit, because that ship has sailed.
Perhaps they can package AA and J.P together for a 3rd line Centre. It’s important the GM gets something for AA or its like Peter C all over again.
I still believe Nurse has to go, the core of this D is not good enough and Nurse is a lefty, Larsson is signed for another year and he is a righty. Teams like Montreal and Ottawa are looking for players not picks or prospects.
New Jersey has 3 first round picks and I bet they would love Larsson back, if that happened, it would be a risk for the Oiler’s and they would have to get a good return for that trade. So does Ottawa, would Ottawa give up their 5th overall for Nurse and J.P