Rock, Meet Hard Place

We got some news yesterday, Elliotte Friedman’s 31 Thoughts detailing Edmonton’s interest in OEL and Kuemper, Frank Seravalli delivering the latest on Andreas Athanasiou and the organization’s thought process.

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What could Ken Holland get with that $5 million? Well, Tyler Johnson has four years left at that number, he remains a reasonable offensive center-wing (1.79, 1.92 and 1.80 in his last three seasons five on five scoring).

Holland could trade the No. 14 pick for Darcy Kuemper straight up, although it would mean running Bouchard in Benning’s old spot and looking internally for a replacement for Athanasiou.

That’s a conversation we could have now, today. Evan Bouchard replaces Matt Benning, what do you lose? Benning is a consistent player, and has been on the ice for five on five outscoring all four seasons with Edmonton. Oilers save $1 million with this move.

Who replaces AA? Oilers have Ryan Nugent-Hopkins as the No. 1 left winger, he scored 2.23 points per 60 five on five and a 57 percent on-ice goal differential in the discipline. That’s good. The rest of the LW depth chart is likely to house two of James Neal, Joakim Nygard and Tyler Benson. That’s not close to good enough on lines 2-4. That’s why Holland brought in Ennis and Athanasiou:

Bring back Athanasiou? Frank Seravalli’s piece tells us Holland is looking to move AA and “teams are thinking he’ll let Athanasiou walk for nothing in the absence of a QO, limiting the return on a trade for his rights.” Rock, meet hard place.

What about Ennis? It would be great to bring him back on a $1 million deal, but if you look at his 2019-20 season it’s likely there will be significant interest in the player across the league.

Could Holland cash Jesse Puljujarvi for real help on left wing? I don’t think the big Finn has that kind of value.

What about the RFA’s who will get cut loose? We don’t know the names of those who will be set free, so here are the young LW RFA’s waiting for contracts: Jake DeBrusk, Boston; Dominik Kahun, Buffalo; Victor Olofsson, Buffalo; Tyler Bertuzzi, Detroit; Anthony Mantha, Detroit; Max Domi, Montreal; Anthony Duclair, Ottawa; Ilya Mikheyev, Toronto; Warren Foegele, Carolina; Jesper Bratt, New Jersey; Dominik Kubalik, Chicago; Drake Caggiula, Chicago; Tyson Jost, Colorado; Andre Burakovsky, Colorado; Valeri Nichushkin, Colorado; Roope Hintz, Dallas; Denis Gurianov, Dallas; Mason Appleton, Winnipeg; Danton Heinen, Anaheim; Andrew Mangiapane, Calgary; Andreas Athanasiou, Edmonton; Nikolai Prokhorkin, Los Angeles; Kevin Lebanc, San Jose; Chandler Stephenson, Vegas.

Holland has to decide what to do in the coming weeks and then proceed accordingly. I’d suggest signing Ennis to a value deal would have made sense but remember he was hurt and the player acquired on left wing needs to be ready. Getting Athanasiou signed looks unlikely. This is going to be fun. A reminder of my list of Holland’s priorities: Goalie, No. 3 center, winger for McDavid. Based on the Friedman news, looks like a No. 1 defenseman is on Holland’s list as well.

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  1. Ray says:

    Does anyone know the rules on team options for arbitration? Isn’t there an option where the oil can ask for a 10 or 15% reduction off of the QO? If so that might be a tool used this year for AA and many other players.

  2. Todd Macallan says:

    In terms of those options, Foegele absolutely jumps off the page as a realistic option for potential value middle 6 fwd.

  3. Woogie63 says:

    AA – Holland has a +6 year relationship with the young man. I don’t think 9 games and then the bubble play-off are significantly changing his opinion. We are looking for everything AA can provide, but we are talking about giving up control of a legit NHL player. A second line winger is $3M and that is a probably a flawed winger.

    This seems familiar around these parts –

    Dump AA, because the risk of arbitration, “underlying numbers” and we don’t like $3M for an NHL winger, sign new winger who has flaws, ride that pony for a year, see new shiny winger repeat.

  4. Brantford Boy says:

    I have time for the idea of Kuemper, let’s leave the OEL trade rumours back at the station.

    A big yes to Tyler Johnson.

    I’m not overly keen on many of the RFA player’s. Although there’s been many discussions about bringing Jake DeBrusk in I don’t like the idea. If however he would sign for the sum of the AA (3M) and Ennis (2M) contracts I’d have time to consider it. At that price point I find it difficult to imagine Boston let’s him go.

    The only other two players on LT’s list of interest to me are Andrew Mangiapane and Dominik Kubalik which again, I doubt their respective clubs let walk. Intrigue at best sets in on Danton Heinen and Tyson Jost.

  5. buck yoakam says:

    What happens or happened to all the college kids out there that are usually being courted by the nhl clubs?. I would be very surprised if there were none available at this point. If we look at these type of finds to bolster our up and coming young crew and wait for the fallout from unsigned RFA”s , maybe use 2021 first for a kuemper …make ourselves more of a contender out of the gate next season…Our window keeps shrinking

  6. Harpers Hair says:

    I can’t imagine Dallas lets him go, but Roope Hintz often plays centre as well.

  7. Elgin R says:

    Tyler Johnson Stats for 2019-2020
    Age: 30
    Contract: 4-years left at $5 per
    Regular Season: 0.48 PPG
    Playoffs: 0.37 PPG

    He lost his 2nd line center job, is an aging-declining asset and is overpaid. If Tampa retains 50% then he is properly priced to be the 3rd line center for the Oilers.

  8. Jiminey says:

    I may be in a very small group of people that thinks we need to qualify AA and get him under contract. AA was on pace for a 18 goal 43 pt season before leaving Detroit. This was his worst year since his rookie year playing on the worst team in the league.

    I think we need to forget everything we saw of him in Edmonton as it was simply to small a sample size. This is a blog that loves statistics, so this is a group that would know better then most, that 9 games is simply to small a sample size. Some players need more then others to adjust to a new team. And the 4 games during the play in series… if we use those games as a measuring stick we should be walking away from 75% of the team!

    What are reasonable expectations of AA next year? He is 26, so his skills should not be declining. If he takes a very small step forward from last years career worst 18/43 pace he set in Detroit, and got 20/45, would that be a reasonable expectation from a guy that put up 30 just 2 years ago? AA also does not have a history of playing with top end talent, so how would that 20/45 look coming from the third line? How much would you pay for 20/45 from line 3?

  9. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Elgin R,

    Or you play the offensively-skilled, capable two-way RC next to McDavid and make him worth his current cap hit and maintains the plausibility of acquiring him as there’s no chance Tampa retains 50%.

  10. godot10 says:

    Elgin R:
    Tyler Johnson Stats for 2019-2020
    Age:30
    Contract:4-years left at $5 per
    Regular Season:0.48 PPG
    Playoffs:0.37 PPG

    He lost his 2nd line center job, is an aging-declining asset and is overpaid.If Tampa retains 50% then he is properly priced to be the 3rd line center for the Oilers.

    Or first line right wing McDavid, taking right side draws, and doing a lot of the back checking for the line.

  11. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    I think the RFA-turned-UFA market will be interesting enough to make the thought of letting AA walk not disgust me- especially if it means the possibility of adding Foegele.

  12. godot10 says:

    Puljujarvi and Benning for Tyler Johnson. I wonder if that would be enough.

  13. dustrock says:

    Jiminey,

    problem is, stats saw him bad. WIllis correclty pegged him as a deadline move for Holland but advised against it.

    It’s a little worrying to me that a player Holland should have known extremely well, he gives up two 2nds when we don’t have a great prospect cupboard and it turns out he’s replacement level and needs to be qualified.

    This isn’t Chiarelli-level incompetence or anything but it’s been a pretty poor bet so far.

  14. YKOil says:

    I would probably retain AA. Then keep him or trade him in a package or trade with salary retained.

  15. RonnieB says:

    Trade Benning + Kassian for Connor Brown and Duclair.
    By all accounts Brown is a solid 200 ft. player; he can score and would be the perfect defensively conscious RW for McDavid. He is RFA but would probably fit into Kassian’s contract nicely.
    Benning has value because Ottawa badly needs RHD. Duclair, also RFA, seems to be finally finding his game and might like the security of a reasonable multi-year contract (I’m thinking 2 or 3 years at ~ $1.8/$2.0) after 3 consecutive 1-year deals.

  16. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I’m with LT on Seth Jarvis. As for the sentiment that they don’t pick my guy..

    Picked – Wanted

    Broberg – Zegras
    Bouchard – Wahlstrom
    Yam – Yam
    JP – JP
    McD – McD
    Draisaitl – Bennett
    Nurse – Nichushkin

    My record is worse than Edmonton’s. Bouchard looks notably better than Wahlstrom IMO & think Nichushkin is a good depth F.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    Well, that was embarrassing – there are no buzzers in baseball…….

    Damn soundcore earbuds……

  18. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I’m with LT on Seth Jarvis. As for the sentiment that they don’t pick my guy..

    Picked – Wanted

    Broberg – Zegras
    Bouchard – Wahlstrom
    Yam – Yam
    JP – JP
    McD – McD
    Draisaitl – Bennett
    Nurse – Nichushkin

    My record is worse than Edmonton’s. Bouchard looks notably better than Wahlstrom IMO & think Nichushkin is a good depth F.

    I enjoy these kinds of exercises!

    Broberg – trade down for Tomasino
    Bouchard – Dobson
    Yamamoto – Jokiharju
    Puljujarvi – Sergachev (though I don’t fault anyone for picking Jesse given his rankings)
    Obviously McDavid
    Draisaitl – Draisaitl

  19. dessert1111 says:

    I’d trade Athanisiou for a 2nd rounder or better and barring that would qualify him.

    Would give Ennis up to 2m for 1 year, 1.5 for 2.

    Would like to see both Benning and Bouchard on the team next year, but with Bouchard as the first guy up after injury.

  20. who says:

    Jiminey:
    I may be in a very small group of people that thinks we need to qualify AA and get him under contract. AA was on pace for a 18 goal 43 pt season before leaving Detroit. This was his worst year since his rookie year playing on the worst team in the league.

    I think we need to forget everything we saw of him in Edmonton as it was simply to small a sample size. This is a blog that loves statistics, so this is a group that would know better then most, that 9 games is simply to small a sample size. Some players need more then others to adjust to a new team. And the 4 games during the play in series… if we use those games as a measuring stick we should be walking away from 75% of the team!

    What are reasonable expectations of AA next year? He is 26, so his skills should not be declining. If he takes a very small step forward from last years career worst 18/43 pace he set in Detroit, and got 20/45, would that be a reasonable expectation from a guy that put up 30 just 2 years ago? AA also does not have a history of playing with top end talent, so how would that 20/45 look coming from the third line? How much would you pay for 20/45 from line 3?

    I agree.
    I’d take a chance on him for 1 year. Worst case scenario is that you overpay him for a year. That’s a hell of a lot different than locking in to a guy for 3 or 4. Or 7 with a player like OEL. I think people are overthinking this. AA is probably just as good a bet as the rest of the RFAs and UFAs.

  21. leadfarmer says:

    That AA trade was a headscrather on day one and hasnt aged well one bit

  22. JustWatt says:

    I jumped in on a Twitter convo last night between WoodGuy and Hupka after WG was considering that this is a pretty tempting time to buy low on OEL after a single down year. I threw out this as a consideration:

    Oilers trade for OEL, Kemper, send back Russel, 1st and PJJ. The Yotes get salary relief in abundance and two young, cheap, high end assets under team control for many years, exactly what a rebuilding GM needs. Oilers get better at 1LD and G by a lot.

    The money above doesn’t work but if they don’t resign Smith and trade Benning for a pick and replace him with Bouchard it helps.

    Trade Nurse for the 3C the Oil need. The leftorium would be overcrowded on the big club and they still need to shed salary so next Holland trades Nurse who is currently paid the most, will need a raise on his next contract which will come up before the cap rises again, and is the lesser of the top 2 LD on the team right now. Pick a target that makes a couple mill less than Nurse, now the money is starting to balance.

    I like the idea of resigning Ennis and qualifying AA. If AA walks (and it might be the player, not the GM/coach driving this) then use the Cap hit to sign a FA.

    The Oilers are upgraded at G, 1LD, 3C. It allows Jones and Bouchard to play in their best spots. It opens up improvements on the wings, and is at least feasibly under the cap.

    I don’t usually post these crazy ideas so let me have it!

  23. Leroy Draisdale says:

    who,

    Jiminey:
    I may be in a very small group of people that thinks we need to qualify AA and get him under contract. AA was on pace for a 18 goal 43 pt season before leaving Detroit. This was his worst year since his rookie year playing on the worst team in the league.

    I think we need to forget everything we saw of him in Edmonton as it was simply to small a sample size. This is a blog that loves statistics, so this is a group that would know better then most, that 9 games is simply to small a sample size. Some players need more then others to adjust to a new team. And the 4 games during the play in series… if we use those games as a measuring stick we should be walking away from 75% of the team!

    What are reasonable expectations of AA next year? He is 26, so his skills should not be declining. If he takes a very small step forward from last years career worst 18/43 pace he set in Detroit, and got 20/45, would that be a reasonable expectation from a guy that put up 30 just 2 years ago? AA also does not have a history of playing with top end talent, so how would that 20/45 look coming from the third line? How much would you pay for 20/45 from line 3?

    I agree.
    I’d take a chance on him for 1 year. Worst case scenario is that you overpay him for a year. That’s a hell of a lot different than locking in to a guy for 3 or 4. Or 7 with a player like OEL. I think people are overthinking this. AA is probably just as good a bet as the rest of the RFAs and UFAs.

    That’s the way I see it too. We just need to move Krusty’s contract cleanly. That is no small feat.

  24. Munny says:

    Likely the entire League, bar a couple of teams, inquired on OEL so not sure how much value Friedman’s comment has other than he knows he has to mention the Oilers at least twice to keep readership numbers up.

    It would almost certanly mean Dream on, Dreamy though,

    The Kuemper mention seems more realistic.

  25. Munny says:

    dustrock,

    If there’s no Covid, Holland is re-signing AA and not thinking twice about it.

  26. digger50 says:

    I think Holland does nothing until he determines if he can land OEL. If he does then Tippett is waiting to slap captain or assistant captain on OEL and all other moves domino from there.

  27. Leroy Draisdale says:

    Marody loaned to Dornbirn Bulldogs

  28. OilersFuture says:

    JustWatt,

    I think to acquire OEL the cost will be Nurse. But there would need to be ALOT of moving parts to an OEL deal, no matter where he wants to go too. There are so many questions that need to be answered?

    1. Would the Oiler’s a better team over the next 5-6 years (Drai & McDavid’s contract) with Nurse or OEL? If the answer is OEL.
    2. If the answer is yes. How do you make the cap work for the Oilers? To take on OEL the additional 2.65 cap hit they likely have to move Russell without taking any salary back. And possibly, one of Chiasson, Kassian, Koskinen or Neal. Without taking an equal cap hit in return.
    3. If you’re able to get past that. The money has to make sense for the Coyotes. OEL, I believe, is already paid 4 million in bonuses and his salary for the season is 4 million. So for the Coyotes the Nurse for OEL deal doesn’t make sense. Unless there’s other salary being moved (Grabner) or Nurse is getting moved for other parts (possible) but still why wouldn’t you keep OEL this year and trade him next year when the market ‘may’ be better.
    4. The answer to the problem might be Russell for Grabner. His contract bonus is paid out and he’s a fraction of salary. But Russell would need to have the Coyotes on his list of teams or they’d have to facilitate a trade.

    So what could a potential OEL deal look like.

    Nurse+Rusell – Cap Hit (9.6) Money (7.1) for Grabner+OEL Cap Hit (11.6) Money (7.35). The money is the same and the Coyotes get out from that contract before he’s owed 10+ million in the next two seasons. Other pieces may be included such as Jesse P, 1st Round Pick, Lavoie, although I doubt Broberg or Bouchard would be part of this.

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m not sure that AA and Benning being walked or traded for non-roster assets opens up $5M.

    I think it opens up apx $4M because both will need to be replaced on the roster – Benning is replacing by Bouchard at savings of apx $1M so that means that $4M is opened up (and this doesn’t take in to account Bouchard’s potential to cap at $1.6M with bonuses – those don’t need to be taken in to account this year but they could potentially create another bonus overage).

  30. Woogie63 says:

    Non rental wingers in the SCF – make $3M for AA seem reasonable, IMO

    Caglino $3.2M
    Comeau $2.4M
    Gourde $5.2M
    Palat $5.3M
    Goodrow $.9
    Coleman $1.8m
    Killorn $4.5M
    Paquette $1.6M

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    I agree Nygard and Benson aren’t good enough for 2 of the top 3 LWs although I do think there is a reasonable chance that Benson could mesh well as Connor’s left wing – skill set for chemistry with McDavid lines up. The Nygard/McDavid combo has seen great success in a very limited sample (6-2 goals in 50 minutes, 6-1 goals if Drai is removed).

    Neither of these options is ideal or great bets to workout in the top 6 (although I do think Benson is a reasonable bet).

    Benson to me is the AA replacement on the roster if AA isn’t re-signed by the Oilers. Whether he can fill in at 1LW (or 2LW is coach moves RNH to McDavid’s wing) or 3LW is unknown.

  32. who says:

    OilersFuture:
    JustWatt,

    I think to acquire OEL the cost will be Nurse.But there would need to be ALOT of moving parts to an OEL deal, no matter where he wants to go too.There are so many questions that need to be answered?

    1. Would the Oiler’s a better team over the next 5-6 years (Drai & McDavid’s contract) with Nurse or OEL?If the answer is OEL.
    2. If the answer is yes.How do you make the cap work for the Oilers?To take on OEL the additional 2.65 cap hit they likely have to move Russell without taking any salary back.And possibly, one of Chiasson, Kassian, Koskinen or Neal.Without taking an equal cap hit in return.
    3. If you’re able to get past that. The money has to make sense for the Coyotes.OEL, I believe, is already paid 4 million in bonuses and his salary for the season is 4 million.So for the Coyotes the Nurse for OEL deal doesn’t make sense.Unless there’s other salary being moved (Grabner) or Nurse is getting moved for other parts (possible) but still why wouldn’t you keep OEL this year and trade him next year when the market ‘may’ be better.
    4. The answer to the problem might be Russell for Grabner.His contract bonus is paid out and he’s a fraction of salary.But Russell would need to have the Coyotes on his list of teams or they’d have to facilitate a trade.

    So what could a potential OEL deal look like.

    Nurse+Rusell – Cap Hit (9.6) Money (7.1)for Grabner+OEL Cap Hit (11.6) Money (7.35).The money is the same and the Coyotes get out from that contract before he’s owed 10+ million in the next two seasons.Other pieces may be included such as Jesse P, 1st Round Pick, Lavoie, although I doubt Broberg or Bouchard would be part of this.

    If OEL gets traded I am REALLY curious to see what the return is.
    People are speculating that the return in an Edmonton deal would be Nurse/Klefbom plus a 1st rounder. I may be wrong, but that seems like way too much to give up for what seems like kind of a cap dump.
    I would think Klefbom or Nurse, by themselves, should be enough.

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think there could be significant interest in Ennis through the league but I think this is the exact type of UFA contract that gets grinded down in the Covid-cap era – if he didn’t break his leg, maybe he’d be able to get closer to $2M but I think the injury creates extra risk, no?

  34. Reja says:

    Jiminey:
    I may be in a very small group of people that thinks we need to qualify AA and get him under contract. AA was on pace for a 18 goal 43 pt season before leaving Detroit. This was his worst year since his rookie year playing on the worst team in the league.

    I think we need to forget everything we saw of him in Edmonton as it was simply to small a sample size. This is a blog that loves statistics, so this is a group that would know better then most, that 9 games is simply to small a sample size. Some players need more then others to adjust to a new team. And the 4 games during the play in series… if we use those games as a measuring stick we should be walking away from 75% of the team!

    What are reasonable expectations of AA next year? He is 26, so his skills should not be declining. If he takes a very small step forward from last years career worst 18/43 pace he set in Detroit, and got 20/45, would that be a reasonable expectation from a guy that put up 30 just 2 years ago? AA also does not have a history of playing with top end talent, so how would that 20/45 look coming from the third line? How much would you pay for 20/45 from line 3?

    At first I thought no way Holland isn’t going to work out a deal with his man AA but the flat cap has changed the game 180 for the RFA’s. They will be the biggest casualties and we might see a whole slew of Talented RFA not qualified and it becomes musical deck chairs for them.

  35. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    RonnieB,

    I’d take that a step in a different direction as I don’t think the Sens give up Brown in a deal like that and I think Duclair would just put us in the same position as we’re in with AA. Something around AA and Puljujarvi for Tierney and Brown with the essence of the trade being:

    AA for Tierney
    Puljujarvi for Brown

    Not sure if that’s enough or not and might get a tad dicey in getting the cap to work, but it fills holes. We get a two-way W for McDavid and a viable 3C (though not a hard minutes guy). Then, see what we can get for Benning and, if nothing else, walk him and put those cap savings towards J Larsson for a hard minute 4th line.

  36. dustrock says:

    I’ll trust Woodguy’s deep dive into OEL.

    I checked Woodmoney and I don’t understand the stats as well as he does, but it sure seemed to me that he wasn’t much better than someone like Klefbom (NOT TO MENTION THE CONTRACT).

    I agree OEL had a down year but Arizona has received pretty good goaltending and yeah, buy low, but buy low on a guy who has 7 more years at $8.25m/year?

    How can we possibly do this? Why should we possibly do this?

    Just add Seabrook’s contract on too, why not

  37. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Whats the objective for next year?

    – To get incrementally better, or Stanley Cup or bust?

    – I think if they get incrementally better, they are in the conversation for the Cup

    – I really don’t get all these discussions about massive re-jigging of team. It’s not going to happen, nor does it need to.

    – Team was emerging as a very good team last year. If Smith had the same save percentage as Koski, we would be even better. As the season moved on, from end of December onwards, the team was playing even better, starting to gel, top-5 points

    – We lost in the 1st round of a “playoff”, a young team not ready agaisnt a vet ladden team

    – The trend is friend. This team isn’t getting blown up. There aren’t massive pieces coming in or out

    – Holland hasn’t been a great GM for a long time, but he’s not going to f$uk it up by making massive moves. Hopefully we can do some innovative stuff.

    – Katz should throw around his balance sheet like MLSE does to come up with cap-wise moves, if they are able. Russel @ $1MM salary is worth something to cash-flow dependent teams for instance

    – Anyway carry-on: once the Cup is done, I will put out my 10 off-season armchair GM questions

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think Puljujarvi has more potential value as a RW option on the Oilers than in a trade.

    Sure, he may prove to have not developed for North American hockey and bust out or he may prove to be a very serviceable 3RW or even a match on Connor’s RW (allowing Kassian to play 3RW and Archie 4RW).

    I’m one of those hoping AA will end up signing at a bit of a discount (seems unlikely at this point), however the following saves $3M (subject to Jesse getting more than $1M):

    AA replaced by Benson
    Chiasson replaced by Puljujarvi

    I think Chiasson can be moved clean – well, maybe with a small sweetener like a swap of the 5th for a 6th or something like that.

  39. Reja says:

    dessert1111:
    I’d trade Athanisiou for a 2nd rounder or better and barring that would qualify him.

    Would give Ennis up to 2m for 1 year, 1.5 for 2.

    Would like to see both Benning and Bouchard on the team next year, but with Bouchard as the first guy up after injury.

    The first player up from where? The lounge.

  40. jp says:

    Leroy Draisdale:
    Marody loaned to Dornbirn Bulldogs

    It’s ironic that nearly the only guy who HASN’T been loaned to a European team yet is Benson.

  41. dustrock says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Whats the objective for next year?

    – Team was emerging as a very good team last year.If Smith had the same save percentage as Koski, we would be even better.As the season moved on, from end of December onwards, the team was playing even better, starting to gel, top-5 points

    Special teams disguised some serious roster problems.

  42. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    jp: It’s ironic that nearly the only guy who HASN’T been loaned to a European team yet is Benson.

    It is interesting. Any thoughts on why? Wonder if it has anything to do with the AA/Ennis uncertainty.

  43. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    dustrock:
    I’ll trust Woodguy’s deep dive into OEL.

    I checked Woodmoney and I don’t understand the stats as well as he does, but it sure seemed to me that he wasn’t much better than someone like Klefbom (NOT TO MENTION THE CONTRACT).

    I agree OEL had a down year but Arizona has received pretty good goaltending and yeah, buy low, but buy low on a guy who has 7 more years at $8.25m/year?

    How can we possibly do this?Why should we possibly do this?

    Just add Seabrook’s contract on too, why not

    Yes. I really hope this is a lot of hot air. My concern is we have seen some similar smoke that led to a similar fire….Tipp likes Smith, KH likes overpriced veterans, they both like going to players “they know”…kind of supports their clear and present danger of thinking of acquiring OEL.

    While there are various metrics for D performance evaluation, one such model analysis provided by Staples shows Nurse and Klef in the top 30, while OEL does not even make the top 30. That is before considerations for contracts and cap space…

    https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/darnell-nurse-and-oscar-klefbom-should-edmonton-oilers-keep-hold-or-fold

    I can understand some of the thinking (idea of a “true 1D”, veteran, leadership, etc), but what has he really led (Go Coyotes Go!)? Is he still a “1D”? What about in 2 years? What about all the draft and development at LHD for the last ~9 years???

    Hard Pass.

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jake Virtanan is an RFA who seems to be falling out of favor in Vancouver (potentially) and they may be worried about a material raise in arbitration given he has scored goals. Rumblings of a potential internal cap on the coast as well.

  45. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think there could be significant interest in Ennis through the league but I think this is the exact type of UFA contract that gets grinded down in the Covid-cap era – if he didn’t break his leg, maybe he’d be able to get closer to $2M but I think the injury creates extra risk, no?

    I wouldn’t touch Ennis for more than league minimum. The risk out weighs the reward in a flat cap world. I would also walk AA if he can’t be traded for a second. The team can’t afford a third line winger at that price when their true need is a third line centre or a winger for McDavid.

  46. godot10 says:

    1) It is ridiculous to offer Ennis more than 1 year and $1 million.

    2) Ekman-Larsson was injured in 2018 and had surgery. This last season was a recovery year. He has said he didn’t fully feel like himself till the bubble. Ekman-Larsson is signed for 7 years. Klefbom is signed for 3. Klefbom is a bargain now, but for the latter four years, Ekman-Larsson would probably be a bargain compared to Klefbom.

    3) But that is sort of irrelevant, since if the deal gets made, it will be made for Nurse. So the choice is Ekman-Larsson for 7 at $8.25, Klefbom for 3, then 5 at probably $9 million. Nurse, 2 at $5.6 million and then 8 at $7 million.

    4) Is this how Jesse has been spending his sabbatical from the OIlers. #ScaryPoolParty

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvO39Y2692M

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m thinking there isn’t a big country music scene in Austria….. how is Coop going to keep his career going?

  48. jp says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: It is interesting. Any thoughts on why? Wonder if it has anything to do with the AA/Ennis uncertainty.

    No, I don’t know. It seems unlikely related to his role on the NHL team since guys like Bouchard and Marody have headed to Europe. Personal choice would be my best guess. (I also overstated a bit, in addition to Benson I don’t think Cracknell, Gambardella, Lagesson, Kuffner, Malone or Skinner have made plans to play overseas).

  49. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think there could be significant interest in Ennis through the league but I think this is the exact type of UFA contract that gets grinded down in the Covid-cap era – if he didn’t break his leg, maybe he’d be able to get closer to $2M but I think the injury creates extra risk, no?

    I agree. Probably work to our benefit.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: I wouldn’t touch Ennis for more than league minimum. The risk out weighs the reward in a flat cap world. I would also walk AA if he can’t be traded for a second. The team can’t afford a third line winger at that price when their true need is a third line centre or a winger for McDavid.

    I think not willing to go over league min is a bit aggressive – he was over 0.5 P/G and think he has earned a bit of a raise over the $800K he made last year – around $1M.

    I’m not sure $3M is going to buy anything more than what AA is likely to bring to the team next year.

    I think worst case scenario is that he is a very good third liner – a driver of a third line that can create zone entries consistently. There is also a decent chance that, yes, he can play with skill and produce in the top 6 on this team – I mean, lets not forget that any 13 game sample size has limited value even if it wasn’t split by 5 months and even if the player wasn’t coming from a generationally bad team and was thrown directly from that in to a playoff race.

    30G was probably a once off but 4 seasons above 1.8 P/60 with middle six linemates probably means that last year was a one-off as well.

    The player in between is probably value for $3M, no?

  51. Woogie63 says:

    I am sure Holland had scenario planned at least two options;

    1) If AA had come in an scored 13 points in 13 games we would still be watching other teams in the SFC and the Oilers would be looking at a winger expecting $4.0-$4.5 x term

    2) If AA had come in and underperformed – the Oiler are not in the SCF and are looking at a $3.0M QO

    he made the trade – so I think he is planning to get a QO, given the connections for Holland, he had to hear a flat cap was a possibility.

  52. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    godot10:
    1) It is ridiculous to offer Ennis more than 1 year and $1 million.

    2) Ekman-Larsson was injured in 2018 and had surgery.This last season was a recovery year.He has said he didn’t fully feel like himself till the bubble. Ekman-Larsson is signed for 7 years.Klefbom is signed for 3.Klefbom is a bargain now, but for the latter four years, Ekman-Larsson would probably be a bargain compared to Klefbom.

    3) But that is sort of irrelevant, since if the deal gets made, it will be made for Nurse.So the choice is Ekman-Larsson for 7 at $8.25,Klefbom for 3, then 5 at probably $9 million.Nurse, 2 at $5.6 million and then 8 at $7 million.

    4) Is this how Jesse has been spending his sabbatical from the OIlers.#ScaryPoolParty

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvO39Y2692M

    I take substantial issue with any suggestion that Klefbom will make 9mil per season at ANY point in his career. Nothing about him other than the fact that coaches play him for 25mins/night warrant anything even near 9mil- even if the cap spikes by 10mil.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ray:
    Does anyone know the rules on team options for arbitration? Isn’t there an option where the oil can ask for a 10 or 15% reduction off of the QO? If so that might be a tool used this year for AA and many other players.

    The team can elect to take the player to arbitration (I’m not sure if the timeline is different this year but the deadline is like 2 days after the SCF ends). The lowest a player can get in team-elected arb is 85% so, I believe that is apx $2.55M.

    A team cannot walk away from an award in a team-elected arb case.

  54. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    jp: No, I don’t know. It seems unlikely related to his role on the NHL team since guys like Bouchard and Marody have headed to Europe. Personal choice would be my best guess. (I also overstated a bit, in addition to Benson I don’t think Cracknell, Gambardella, Lagesson, Kuffner, Malone or Skinner have made plans to play overseas).

    I think you had him lumped in the right category with the others (Marody, Bouch, etc), rather than Cracknell et al….he is a youngen on the cusp…

  55. digger50 says:

    jp: It’s ironic that nearly the only guy who HASN’T been loaned to a European team yet is Benson.

    I heard he wasn’t fast enough to catch the bus. But hes working on it.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pens re-sign McCann to two years at just under $3M per.

    Lots of prior speculation that he may be moved and some thought about a potential fit in Edmonton.

  57. YKOil says:

    Would be fine with Ennis at $1.2 million per year for as many as two years.

  58. Jaxon says:

    I’d be super happy if we grabbed Erik Haula and Thomas Greiss this of season. But even those modest targets are too expensive without getting rid of cap. And there are not many teams who can take cap on. I would be thrilled if they were able to dump KRussell and Chiasson, even if they have to send some late round picks with them. That still might not be enough. I’m still hoping they can hold onto Athanasiou, Bear, and Benning (on revised contracts?) And sign Puljujarvi on a team friendly deal.

    What are fair contacts for those players or maybe not fair but necessary in a flat cap off season.

    Haula $2.500m
    Greiss $2.500m
    Puljujarvi $1.500m
    Total new contracts: $6.500m

    Re-signed contracts:
    Athanasiou $2.500m ($0.500m savings)
    Bear $1.500m ($0.600m additional)
    Benning $1.500m ($0.400m savings)
    Ennis $1.517m ($0.300m additional)
    Total savings: $0

    Other calculation factors:
    Carry Over penalty $0.683m

    Trader away contracts:
    K Russell $4.000m
    Chiasson $2.150m
    Total trade: $6.150m

    Expiring contracts:
    Sheahan $0.900m
    Smith $2.000m
    Total Expired: $4.117m

    6 contacts off the books: 10.267m

  59. digger50 says:

    I love that Cooper Marody was lent out to get in some playing time. It means they still see him as an option for this coming year.

  60. Lewis Grant says:

    JustWatt: Trade Nurse for the 3C the Oil need.

    One of the problems with not doing all of these things at once, is that the whole league now knows that you need to make a trade.

    That’s when you end up trading Hall for Larsson. “The trade is one for one.”

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
    I think the RFA-turned-UFA market will be interesting enough to make the thought of letting AA walk not disgust me- especially if it means the possibility of adding Foegele.

    Isn’t Foegele coming off his ELC and his QO would be not much above league min?

    I can’t imagine why he wouldn’t get a QO and become a UFA.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10:
    Puljujarvi and Benning for Tyler Johnson.I wonder if that would be enough.

    Two potential value contracts on the Oilers for a 30 year old declining player on a bloated contract with 4 years of term?

    I know Jesse doesn’t have much value and both the players given up aren’t proven NHL players but, at the same time, this is taking on a team’s cap issue without leveraging their situation. Tampa should be forced to essentially get nothing back for their cap dump.

  63. Lewis Grant says:

    To quote our gracious host:

    “Defensemen develop by sundial.”

    “Defensemen do not develop in a straight line.”

    (Anybody remember Ladi Smid’s tortuous growth? It was well chronicled in these pages. Smid was drafted #9 overall, one spot higher than Bouchard.)

    Bear could take a step back next year. Bouchard may not be ready. Defense is the hardest area to cover.

    Also, you should expect one of your top 6 D-men to be injured at any given time. When Larsson and Green were both out against Chicago, it would have been nice to have Sekera in the lineup. (Especially watching him deliver Dallas’s series-winning assist in OT against Vegas – Sekera was always dynamite for us in OT.)

    The upshot?

    A defenseman like Benning, especially with his cheap contract, is well worth keeping around.

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Important dates. I’ll be keeping this list handy:

    https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1307003658333237249?s=21

  65. pts2pndr says:

    who: I agree.
    I’d take a chance on him for 1 year. Worst case scenario is that you overpay him for a year. That’s a hell of a lot different than locking in to a guy for 3 or 4. Or 7 with a player like OEL. I think people are overthinking this. AA is probably just as good a bet as the rest of the RFAs and UFAs.

    It’s not so much about the player for me as it is that he was unable to develop chemistry with either of our top two centre’s. We need a winger to play with McDavid. To this point the only one to mesh with McDavid on his left side is Draisaitl.

  66. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think not willing to go over league min is a bit aggressive – he was over 0.5 P/G and think he has earned a bit of a raise over the $800K he made last year – around $1M.

    I’m not sure $3M is going to buy anything more than what AA is likely to bring to the team next year.

    I think worst case scenario is that he is a very good third liner – a driver of a third line that can create zone entries consistently.There is also a decent chance that, yes, he can play with skill and produce in the top 6 on this team – I mean, lets not forget that any 13 game sample size has limited value even if it wasn’t split by 5 months and even if the player wasn’t coming from a generationally bad team and was thrown directly from that in to a playoff race.

    30G was probably a once off but 4 seasons above 1.8 P/60 with middle six linemates probably means that last year was a one-off as well.

    The player in between is probably value for $3M, no?

    Age and his season ending injury are red flags for me. I like Ennis but the cap is such that there is no room for error. Serious injuries generally take a year to get back up to speed.

  67. pts2pndr says:

    Lewis Grant:
    To quote our gracious host:

    “Defensemen develop by sundial.”

    “Defensemen do not develop in a straight line.”

    (Anybody remember Ladi Smid’s tortuous growth?It was well chronicled in these pages.Smid was drafted #9 overall, one spot higher than Bouchard.)

    Bear could take a step back next year.Bouchard may not be ready.Defense is the hardest area to cover.

    Also, you should expect one of your top 6 D-men to be injured at any given time.When Larsson and Green were both out against Chicago, it would have been nice to have Sekera in the lineup.(Especially watching him deliver Dallas’s series-winning assist in OT against Vegas – Sekera was always dynamite for us in OT.)

    The upshot?

    A defenseman like Benning, especially with his cheap contract, is well worth keeping around.

    Keeping Benning would be a no brainer if we didn’t have the Russel contract.

  68. hunter1909 says:

    Lewis Grant: When Larsson and Green were both out against Chicago, it would have been nice to have Sekera in the lineup.

    Sekera, soon to be Cup finalist defenceman was considered too old for the Oilers.

    Hate to say this, but it’s a lot like flushing away Eberle after a single playoff campaign, or Hall just because.

    Hopeless management. Before the salary cap a team of clowns used to be able to get lucky and draft a few generational players and maybe…but now with the cap there is simply too much intelligence required.

    Or in other words, Where’s Harpers Hair when you need him?

  69. Ribs says:

    digger50:
    I love that Cooper Marody was lent out to get in some playing time. It means they still see him as an option for this coming year.

    Or want to pump up his trade value…

  70. who says:

    godot10:
    1) It is ridiculous to offer Ennis more than 1 year and $1 million.

    2) Ekman-Larsson was injured in 2018 and had surgery.This last season was a recovery year.He has said he didn’t fully feel like himself till the bubble. Ekman-Larsson is signed for 7 years.Klefbom is signed for 3.Klefbom is a bargain now, but for the latter four years, Ekman-Larsson would probably be a bargain compared to Klefbom.

    3) But that is sort of irrelevant, since if the deal gets made, it will be made for Nurse.So the choice is Ekman-Larsson for 7 at $8.25,Klefbom for 3, then 5 at probably $9 million.Nurse, 2 at $5.6 million and then 8 at $7 million.

    4) Is this how Jesse has been spending his sabbatical from the OIlers.#ScaryPoolParty

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvO39Y2692M

    9 million for Klefbom?
    Is he winning the Norris in the next 3 years?

  71. TheGreatBigMac says:

    I think most option for goalie being floated are to rich for us this year. What do people think of Alex Stalock of the Wild, okay save%, low cost, could hand 20-30 games. Would you go for him and at what price?

  72. Harpers Hair says:

    hunter1909: Sekera, soon to be Cup finalist defenceman was considered too old for the Oilers.

    Hate to say this, but it’s a lot like flushing away Eberle after a single playoff campaign, or Hall just because.

    Hopeless management. Before the salary cap a team of clowns used to be able to get lucky and draft a few generational players and maybe…but now with the cap there is simply too much intelligence required.

    Or in other words, Where’s Harpers Hair when you need him?

    Right here.

    Do you know which NHL team has the fewest points since the salary cap was introduced?

  73. who says:

    pts2pndr: It’s not so much about the player for me as it is that he was unable to develop chemistry with either of our top two centre’s. We need a winger to play with McDavid. To this point the only one to mesh with McDavid on his left side is Draisaitl.

    Yeah it’s a valid argument.
    I would just say, that if he can’t mesh with McDavid or Draisaitl, I’d stick him on the 3rd line with a defensively responsible center (like Hass). If AA can drive the offense from a 3rd line, maybe you don’t need to spend much money on a 3C.

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock:
    Jiminey,

    problem is, stats saw him bad.WIllis correclty pegged him as a deadline move for Holland but advised against it.

    It’s a little worrying to me that a player Holland should have known extremely well, he gives up two 2nds when we don’t have a great prospect cupboard and it turns out he’s replacement level and needs to be qualified.

    This isn’t Chiarelli-level incompetence or anything but it’s been a pretty poor bet so far.

    “turns out he was replacement level” – see, to me, this isn’t really a proven statement, is it?

    He played 13 games – 9 after coming over from playing 2/3 of the season on a generationally bad team, and then 4 more after a 5 month break.

    He had a bad year, quite bad but a bad year and, in particular, 13 bad games doesn’t made a player with a history of producing in the middle 6 a replacement level player unless its due to age aided regression, does it?

    I mean, prior to this past year, the player was above 1.8 P/60 with middle six linemates for 4 straight years.

    Isn’t that more telling that one bad season on a terrible team in a weird year?

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Leroy Draisdale:
    who,

    That’s the way I see it too. We just need to move Krusty’s contract cleanly. That is no small feat.

    That is indeed the optimal move for this off-season and I agree, in no small feat.

    With that said, I’ve read many opinions, mostly on twitter (including by a few that I know and respect) that think the Oilers can easily dispose of the contract clean and even get a decent mid pick back.

    Personally, I think too much is made of the low salary outlay vs. the cap as the cap is still the mitigating factor for so many teams – we’ve seen the price for cap space, its high.

  76. Harpers Hair says:

    Word in Vancouver is that talks have broken off with Markstrom.

    And, apparently the Flames are going hard after him.

  77. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909: Sekera, soon to be Cup finalist defenceman was considered too old for the Oilers.

    Hate to say this, but it’s a lot like flushing away Eberle after a single playoff campaign, or Hall just because.

    Hopeless management. Before the salary cap a team of clowns used to be able to get lucky and draft a few generational players and maybe…but now with the cap there is simply too much intelligence required.

    Or in other words, Where’s Harpers Hair when you need him?

    I know that punching the Oilers is sport for most posters here, and I enjoy the cleverness of the posts, but I’ll chime in here.

    Holland bought out Sekera because the Oilers had to find out about the kids. That was the premise. Although they still don’t know for sure about Lagesson, it’s clear that Bear and Jones are keepers. Sekera’s presence on the roster would have impacted both sides of the defense (as Russell was going to play, too) so I’ll say that’s a bet that worked out.

    If Sekera wins a Stanley I’ll be thrilled for him, but he isn’t carrying the mail against elites. He played second or third pair this season and his DFF Rel number is the lowest among the regulars.

    http://www.puckiq.com/woodmoney?season=20192020&tier=Elite&positions=d&team=dal&group_by=player_season_team

    He has played in all 20 games but is averaging just 10 minutes a night. The Dallas D relies on Heiskanen, Klingberg, Oleksiak and Lindell. Sekera is a depth player

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=3&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&team=DAL&pos=D&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

    Plenty of reasons to dump on the Oilers, I don’t think making room for Jones, Bear and Lagesson is one of them.

  78. Lowetide says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Word in Vancouver is that talks have broken off with Markstrom.

    And, apparently the Flames are going hard after him.

    Makes complete sense for Calgary.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
    RonnieB,

    I’d take that a step in a different direction as I don’t think the Sens give up Brown in a deal like that and I think Duclair would just put us in the same position as we’re in with AA. Something around AA and Puljujarvi for Tierney and Brown with the essence of the trade being:

    AA for Tierney
    Puljujarvi for Brown

    Not sure if that’s enough or not and might get a tad dicey in getting the cap to work, but it fills holes. We get a two-way W for McDavid and a viable 3C (though not a hard minutes guy). Then, see what we can get for Benning and, if nothing else, walk him and put those cap savings towards J Larsson for a hard minute 4th line.

    I’d prefer to keep Benning and give Haas the early at bats for 3C.

    I don’t see Holland trading away the limited depth he has on the right side – remove one of the incumbent RD and, yes, Bouchard replaces in the lineup but behind that the next best RD is playing in Linkoping.

    ————-

    I really like Tierney but looking yesterday you are indeed right about level of comp. 30% against elites and he got slaughtered, 6-19 goals – that’s very bad.

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dreger reporting that talks have broken down between Pieterangelo and the Blues and he has been instructed to move pursue unrestricted free agency.

    No, I do not consider this “Oiler new” but simply semi big NHL news.

  81. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Dreger reporting that talks have broken down between Pieterangelo and the Blues and he has been instructed to move pursue unrestricted free agency.

    No, I do not consider this “Oiler new” but simply semi big NHL news.

    It’s all “Oiler news”…you know because the Oilers have to play against them.

  82. Klima's_Bucket says:

    OriginalPouzar: Tampa should be forced to essentially get nothing back for their cap dump.

    Like last year, Tampa got back zilch for JT Miller.

  83. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide,

    I thought they already had an All-Star goalie?

    Now, they’ll have two.

  84. Woogie63 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Word in Vancouver is that talks have broken off with Markstrom.

    And, apparently the Flames are going hard after him.

    How are the Flames going hard after a player still under contract?

  85. Woogie63 says:

    Harpers Hair: Right here.

    Do you know which NHL team has the fewest points since the salary cap was introduced?

    Sekera was a $5.5M Third pairing defenseman in Edmonton and $1.5M third pairing defenseman in Dallas. Those are two completely different players.

  86. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Lowetide,

    I would take Talbs back for 1×2.5 but I doubt he wants to come back…

  87. €√¥£€^$ says:

    3rd Line leadership idea:

    Granlund-Koivu-Jesse

    Or sign Granlund as 97’s LW, Haula as the LW on the 3rd line. Or substitute Haula with Veasey.

    I am guessing each player could be signed for:

    Granlund ~$3.2 x 3 yrs
    Koivu for ~$1.5 million x 1 yr
    Huala for ~$2.2 x 2 yrs
    Vessey for ~$1.3 x 1 or 2 yrs

    Thoughts/preferences?

  88. Harpers Hair says:

    Woogie63: How are the Flames going hard after a player still under contract?

    Contract expired when the Canucks lost in the playoffs.

  89. Harpers Hair says:

    Blues writer Jeremy Rutherford reporting the Blues final offer was $7.7 million and they would not commit to a contract structure.

    I would imagine it was back loaded to allow the Blues to minimize cash expenditures in the short term.

  90. godot10 says:

    Harpers Hair: Contract expired when the Canucks lost in the playoffs.

    Contract expires the day before free agency opens.

  91. OilClog says:

    Harpers Hair: Right here.

    Do you know which NHL team has the fewest points since the salary cap was introduced?

    I know it’s not the team that’s never won a cup since they were introduced in 1970, in a losing effort to the Kings. Salary caps, strikes, stock market crashes, natural disasters, pandemics, John Garrett.

    They’ve survived it all cupless.

    50 years.

    They’ve accumulated 3798 regular season points as a franchise, for 0 Stanley cups.

    I’m not sure what points means since the lock out, yet clearly Vancouver has been trying to figure this out since the rocks on a line format of basic mathematics.

  92. hunter1909 says:

    Harpers Hair: Right here.

    Do you know which NHL team has the fewest points since the salary cap was introduced?

    Was it by any chance formerly a team run by Kevin(you suckers are lucky I’m even here) Lowe?

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Whats the objective for next year?

    – To get incrementally better, or Stanley Cup or bust?

    – I think if they get incrementally better, they are in the conversation for the Cup

    – I really don’t get all these discussions about massive re-jigging of team.It’s not going to happen, nor does it need to.

    – Team was emerging as a very good team last year.If Smith had the same save percentage as Koski, we would be even better.As the season moved on, from end of December onwards, the team was playing even better, starting to gel, top-5 points

    – We lost in the 1st round of a “playoff”, a young team not ready agaisnt a vet ladden team

    – The trend is friend.This team isn’t getting blown up.There aren’t massive pieces coming in or out

    – Holland hasn’t been a great GM for a long time, but he’s not going to f$uk it up by making massive moves.Hopefully we can do some innovative stuff.

    – Katz should throw around his balance sheet like MLSE does to come up with cap-wise moves, if they are able.Russel @ $1MM salary is worth something to cash-flow dependent teams for instance

    – Anyway carry-on: once the Cup is done, I will put out my 10 off-season armchair GMquestions

    I agree with most of this.

    The one must is an improvement in the 1B goaltender – this doesn’t even have to cost alot of money – to me, Aaron Dell improves the 1B tender.

    More games, minutes and responsibility for Bear, Jones, Bouchard over Larsson, Russell and Benning will improve this team.

    ————–

    The reason for my response is in relation to Katz and throwing his balance sheet around.

    This is something he has done without question and continues to do so.

    For example, the Lucic for Neal deal costs his in and around $15M of real money (can’t remember the exact numbers).

    Burying guys like Gagner, Manning, etc. in the AHL, guys on big one-way contracts, is not something all owners would do.

    Even over the last couple of months with the European assignments. We talk about/ask if other teams are doing this to the extent the Oilers have and I think the answer is no. I think a big part of that is ownership. Now, I stand to be corrected (and I do think some of the assignments are different) but for many of the assignments, the European team simply pays room and board, the Oilers (i.e. Katz) are ponying up the salary, etc.

  94. Harpers Hair says:

    hunter1909: Was it by any chance formerly a team run by Kevin(you suckers are lucky I’m even here) Lowe?

    Bingo!

    And he’s still involved.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: The first playerup from where? The lounge.

    Well, kind of, yes.

    When the NHL starts up, even of there is no AHL starting up along-side it (which is a distinct possibility), the NHL will need to provide for a taxi squad or some similar type of mechanism where there are non-roster players (i.e. don’t effect the cap unless they are on contracts greater than $1.075M) that are available for “call-up”, just like they would be in the AHL – waivers rules apply, etc.

    The only difference is, these guys aren’t living in dumpy California and riding the bus around but are with the NHL team and available to practice with them.

  96. hunter1909 says:

    Woogie63: Sekera was a $5.5M Third pairing defenseman in Edmonton and $1.5M third pairing defenseman in Dallas.Those are two completely different players.

    Which in fact best compares the overall philosophy of Dallas to the post-Slats Edmonton Oilers.

    Seriously, If I were an NHL player Dallas would be right at the top of my Trade List. Great city, Friendly people, Texas like a holiday version of Southern Alberta.

    Dallas plays fast and loose, picking up cool players like Sekera and Corey Perry while poor Edmonton frets and wrings its hands and then, after all of that angst proceeds to go out and hire the Devil Incarnate in Peter Chirarelli.

    Fun Fact: Dallas currently has the Taylor Hall draft 2nd pick Tyler Seguin, who they got in trade with no lottery needed.

  97. Harpers Hair says:

    godot10: Contract expires the day before free agency opens.

    Are you really that naive?

    The Blues have told Pietrangelo to go find a new deal elsewhere.

    I imagine the Canucks have done the same.

    Some teams respect their players even if they don’t plan to re-sign them.

  98. hunter1909 says:

    Harpers Hair: Bingo!

    And he’s still involved.

    Obviously most of us can only speculate and for all I know right now they’re only playing the games on pre-recorded tapes, like Kubrick’s Moon landings, but how exactly in your opinion is Kevin Lowe “still involved” with the running of the Oilers?

  99. hunter1909 says:

    I hope my earlier comments don’t make me too cynical to the regular Lowetide reader. The truth is, I like the job Ken Holland was doing until the play off started and Oilers folded like a 20 dollar suit.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: It’s ironic that nearly the only guy who HASN’T been loaned to a European team yet is Benson.

    Why is it ironic?

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock: Special teams disguised some serious roster problems.

    True – December also cratered the 5 on 5 numbers for the year…….

    Team was top 10 in goal differential at 5 on 5 in 2020……

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: It is interesting. Any thoughts on why? Wonder if it has anything to do with the AA/Ennis uncertainty.

    I’m not sure why that would make any difference – any assignment for Benson would include the ability to come back when the NHL starts up (similar to Marody and every other player assigned that has legit NHL potential for this coming season – except Sammy).

  103. Harpers Hair says:

    Woogie63: Sekera was a $5.5M Third pairing defenseman in Edmonton and $1.5M third pairing defenseman in Dallas.Those are two completely different players.

    Sekera was paid $2.0 million by the Stars and the Oilers kicked in $2.5 million on his buyout.

    Sekera was also due bonuses based on games played and an additional bonuses if the Stars made the playoffs and he played 50 games…all of which he met.

    His total compensation is…wait for it…$5.5 million.

    The winners here are obviously Sekera and the Stars who got a veteran defenseman who can play both sides for $2.5 million.

    If the Oilers weren’t picking up almost half the tab, it’s likely the Stars would have had to pay more.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    I am sure Holland had scenario planned at least two options;

    1) If AA had come in an scored 13 points in 13 games we would still be watching other teams in the SFC and the Oilers would be looking at a winger expecting $4.0-$4.5 x term

    2)If AA had come in and underperformed – the Oiler are not in the SCF and are looking at a $3.0M QO

    he made the trade – so I think he is planning to get a QO, given the connections for Holland, he had to hear a flat cap was a possibility.

    I’m not sure than anyone was prediction a global shut down of, well, everything, back in February. Yes, COVID was out there and was happening but I don’t think anyone thought what was about to happen, which led to the flat cap, was a possibility.

  105. Harpers Hair says:

    hunter1909: Obviously most of us can only speculate and for all I know right now they’re only playing the games on pre-recorded tapes, like Kubrick’s Moon landings, but how exactly in your opinion is Kevin Lowe “still involved” with the running of the Oilers?

    Haven’t you spotted him at the draft table?

    Business execs don’t usually do that unless they’re involved in decisions.

  106. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers folding like losers gives you the idea that it was a mistake to make McDavid captain so fast. Puts too much freaking pressure on a young player.

    Historically it would have been unthinkable. Taylor Hall should have been the captain, because at the tine he was the obvious choice. Oilers had exactly ZERO older good long term players.

    Bobby Orr was never captain of the Bruins, was he? I remember him always having an A.

    Not saying McDavids a bust in any way shape or form, or anything like that. But if he didn’t have the pressure of the C on his jersey he might be better able to concentrate on the game. Of course Oilers have had Andrew Ference, and ethanthecaptainmoreau, and the Original Steve Austin wearing the C during the darkest days of any legitimate team in NHL history.

  107. hunter1909 says:

    hunter1909:
    Oilers folding like losers gives you the idea that it was a mistake to make McDavid captain so fast. Puts too much freaking pressure on a young player.

    Historically it would have been unthinkable. Taylor Hall should have been the captain, because at the tine he was the obvious choice. Oilers had exactly ZERO older good long term players.

    Bobby Orr was never captain of the Bruins, was he? I remember him always having an A.

    Not saying McDavids a bust in any way shape or form, or anything like that. But if he didn’t have the pressure of the C on his jersey he might be better able to concentrate on the game. Of course Oilers have had Andrew Ference, and ethanthecaptainmoreau, and the Original Steve Austin wearing the C during the darkest days of any legitimate team in NHL history.

    because at the time*

    lol

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Keeping Benning would be a no brainer if we didn’t have the Russel contract.

    and moving the Russell contract is a must – it just is. I know its not easy and may be “impossible” but not “impossible” to the Lucic level.

    Benning at $2M makes this team better than Russell at $4M.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ribs: Or want to pump up his trade value…

    I’m not sure anything he does in the Austrian league is going to increase his trade value……

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for it, I just don’t think that is a factor in any way.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    TheGreatBigMac:
    I think most option for goalie being floated are to rich for us this year.What do people think of Alex Stalock of the Wild, okay save%, low cost, could hand 20-30 games.Would you go for him and at what price?

    or a bought out Devan Dubnyk?

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Yeah it’s a valid argument.
    I would just say, that if he can’t mesh with McDavid or Draisaitl, I’d stick him on the 3rd line with a defensively responsible center (like Hass). If AA can drive the offense from a 3rd line, maybe you don’t need to spend much money on a 3C.

    I believe there is extreme value in that role.

    The AA we saw in, what was it game 2 or 3 of the Chicago series, where he was on the 3rd line and drove possession and zone entry pretty much each and every shift, has real value.

    Lets not forget, those 4 straight years at over 1.8 P/60 were mainly with middle six linemates.

    This may be his sweet spot and, frankly, that would be just fine.

    Is he expensive for the 3rd line? Not if he’s driving the puck the right way, producing at or above 1.8 P/60 and providing speed and skill on that line.

    I can’t say for sure, however, this may be the player that succeeded in Detroit for those 4 years.

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: I know that punching the Oilers is sport for most posters here, and I enjoy the cleverness of the posts, but I’ll chime in here.

    Holland bought out Sekera because the Oilers had to find out about the kids. That was the premise. Although they still don’t know for sure about Lagesson, it’s clear that Bear and Jones are keepers. Sekera’s presence on the roster would have impacted both sides of the defense (as Russell was going to play, too) so I’ll say that’s a bet that worked out.

    If Sekera wins a Stanley I’ll be thrilled for him, but he isn’t carrying the mail against elites. He played second or third pair this season and his DFF Rel number is the lowest among the regulars.

    http://www.puckiq.com/woodmoney?season=20192020&tier=Elite&positions=d&team=dal&group_by=player_season_team

    He has played in all 20 games but is averaging just 10 minutes a night. The Dallas D relies on Heiskanen, Klingberg, Oleksiak and Lindell. Sekera is a depth player

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=3&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&team=DAL&pos=D&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

    Plenty of reasons to dump on the Oilers, I don’t think making room for Jones, Bear and Lagesson is one of them.

    Very good and important post LT.

    I loved me some Sekera and wasn’t happy with the buyout (I hate buyouts in general and thought Reggie would be better this year further removed from injury) but, taking away dead cap hit implications, it turned out to be the “right move” for this past season’s team.

    Not to mention, as it is Reja we are responding to, it provided the cap space to sign one of his favorites, Alex Chiasson.

    I, in no way, equate this to the Eberle trade – I don’t see any sort of comparison, in any way. Sekera was disposable due to regression in his game due to multiple, and back to back, serious injuries in his 30s.

    Ughhh, you bring up not knowing what we have in Lagesson and that is indeed true. It didn’t have to be though as Tip/Playfair has the perfect opportunity to give him at bats early in the season – they chose Brandon Manning for 8 straight games.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Contract expired when the Canucks lost in the playoffs.

    What? No. Wrong.

    The 2020 “July 1” has not happened.

    Teams are not at liberty to speak with pending UFAs from other teams.

  114. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: What?No. Wrong.

    The 2020 “July 1” has not happened.

    Teams are not at liberty to speak with pending UFAs from other teams.

    Unless they’re given permission.

  115. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: Unless they’re given permission.

    Why would a team do that.
    A 5th round pick for a players rights is great and all but I’m sure they’d much rather use this time to work out a deal without outside interference

  116. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Two potential value contracts on the Oilers for a 30 year old declining player on a bloated contract with 4 years of term?

    Also, it’s ridiculous to offer 31 year old, 37 point, Tyler Ennis more than $1M for 1 year.

    But 30 year old, 31 point, Tyler Johnson… two assets and $5M X 4 years is a good idea.

  117. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: Sekera was paid $2.0 million by the Stars and the Oilers kicked in $2.5 million on his buyout.

    Sekera was also due bonuses based on games played and an additional bonuses if the Stars made the playoffs and he played 50 games…all of which he met.

    His total compensation is…wait for it…$5.5 million.

    The winners here are obviously Sekera and the Stars who got a veteran defenseman who can play both sides for $2.5 million.

    If the Oilers weren’t picking up almost half the tab, it’s likely the Stars would have had to pay more.

    Asinine spin at best sure blew a hole in Hunter including you and intelligent in the same sentence. Strictly troll class as per normal.

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    My understanding (from Gregor) that Lavoie was with Rogule on a tryout but I guess he’s made the team as he’s playing tomorrow.

    Warning: Google Translate:

    https://www.roglebk.se/gamecenter/qY7-AfetmBGhI/articles/pre

    After just over four weeks in Sweden and four pre-season matches, it’s finally time for Raphaël Lavoie to make his real debut in Rögletröjan in tomorrow’s SHL premiere at home against Linköping.

    – It’s going to be really fun. I look forward to playing a competitive match. I will miss the audience, I have understood that there is good pressure in this hall normally and I hope to experience it soon as well. The most important thing is that we play well and win so the supporters have something to be happy about, says Raphaël after Friday’s training.

    Raphaël came to Rögle at the end of August, loaned by the Edmonton Oilers to Rögle this season. The tall and hard-shooting Canadian has so slowly begun to acclimatize in the Swedish rinks – and to meet seniors.

    – It has been a big change in many ways. The biggest difference is that I meet adult men for the first time. They are stronger and more skilled but it feels better and better, says Raphaël.

    The Canadian talent has scored points in Canadian junior hockey in recent seasons – but tomorrow’s match will be the first competitive match in a senior context for him.

    – It’s going to be really fun. I long, says Raphaël, who has recently been matched in a chain with Brady Ferguson as center and Nils Höglander on the other side.

    The trio played together at today’s training and looks to gain confidence in the premiere tomorrow night as well.

    All players were in training today – team captain Mattias Sjögren, who has been away for a long time, will, however, follow the premiere from the stands.

    – We judge that he feels best from training for another whole week before he is ready. It’s a long season, says Rögle’s physiotherapist Christopher Alvengrip.

    The team against Linköping is taken out on the match day, but this is what the formations looked like at today’s training:

    Goalkeepers: Johan Gustafsson and Christoffer Rifalk.

    Back: Éric Gélinas-Lucas Ekeståhl-Jonsson, Samuel Jonsson-Niklas Hansson, Erlend Lesund-Craig Schira, Jakob Bondesson-Samuel Johannesson.

    Chains: Leon Bristedt-Simon Ryfors-Daniel Zaar, Dennis Everberg-Adam Tambellini-Olli Palola, Nils Höglander-Brady Ferguson- Raphaël Lavoie , Erik Andersson-Anton Bengtsson-Taylor Matson, Adam Edström-Mattias Sjögren-Melker Eriksson.

    The match starts at 18:00. Do not miss RögleLive’s talk directly on our instagram, @roglebk, starting at about 17:30 tomorrow Saturday.

  119. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    hunter1909: Sekera, soon to be Cup finalist defenceman was considered too old for the Oilers.

    Hate to say this, but it’s a lot like flushing away Eberle after a single playoff campaign, or Hall just because.

    Hopeless management. Before the salary cap a team of clowns used to be able to get lucky and draft a few generational players and maybe…but now with the cap there is simply too much intelligence required.

    Or in other words, Where’s Harpers Hair when you need him?

    – I don’t buy the “they had to bring up the kids”, as an excuse to excuse a massive anchor blackhole buyout for many years

    – Have your cake and eat it: bring back healthy Sek, trade him in season, and also bring up the kids.

    – It was poor asset management. I get why it can be rationalized, but it stings big time, and will for years. After 15 games into season, he was way more tradeable than the awful Green for a 3rd

    – Also an easy target though: a injured guy who was brought in by the fired guy

  120. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I don’t buy the “they had to bring up the kids”, as an excuse to excuse a massive anchor blackhole buyout for many years

    – Have your cake and eat it: bring back healthy Sek,trade in season, and also bring up the kids.

    – It was poor asset management.I get why it can be rationalized, but it stings big time, and will for years.After 15 games into season, he was way more tradeable than the awful Green for a 3rd

    – Also an easy target though: a injured guy who was brought in by the fired guy

  121. jp says:

    Lowetide: If Sekera wins a Stanley I’ll be thrilled for him, but he isn’t carrying the mail against elites. He played second or third pair this season and his DFF Rel number is the lowest among the regulars.

    He has played in all 20 games but is averaging just 10 minutes a night. The Dallas D relies on Heiskanen, Klingberg, Oleksiak and Lindell. Sekera is a depth player

    To add (in particular given the original reference to his OT assist): Sekera’s game also includes no offence at all any more.

    In his post-injury Oilers career – 60-0-12-12.

    In his Dallas Stars career regular season and playoffs – 78-2-7-9. The OT assist was his only point of the playoffs.

    This is not the same player the Oilers signed back in 2015. Hope he wins a cup, but I have no issue with the buyout either.

  122. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: Why would a team do that.
    A 5th round pick for a players rights is great and all but I’m sure they’d much rather use this time to work out a deal without outside interference

    They do it all the time.

    How do you think free agent contracts are announced 5 minutes after free agency opens?

    Magic?

  123. Woogie63 says:

    Harpers Hair: Are you really that naive?

    The Blues have told Pietrangelo to go find a new deal elsewhere.

    I imagine the Canucks have done the same.

    Some teams respect their players even if they don’t plan to re-sign them.

    Hold Montreal trades a 5th to get to talk to 3rd pairing UFA defenseman. But Vancouver is giving that privilege for one of the best goalies in the league for free.

    A bit …..naive?

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: Like last year, Tampa got back zilch for JT Miller.

    This year’s off-season will not resemble last year’s off-season in so many ways.

    So many teams need to divest of cap just to keep their team togehter, let along teams that need to dispose of cap for internal budget reasons, etc. Combine that with very few teams that have cap room to bring in contract.

    This year’s market will be novel.

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    Not to mention we are talking about an improving 26 year old signed for his prime versus a regressing 30 year old signed for term for his early 30s.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: Was it by any chance formerly a team run by Kevin(you suckers are lucky I’m even here) Lowe?

    You mean the same Kevin Lowe that used the newly introduced cap ramifications to acquire Pronger and Peca in the off-season and Roloson, Samsanov, Spachek and Tanstrom in-season to take the team to Game 7 of the SCF?

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Are you really that naive?

    The Blues have told Pietrangelo to go find a new deal elsewhere.

    I imagine the Canucks have done the same.

    Some teams respect their players even if they don’t plan to re-sign them.

    This may or may not be true but the answer you provided to the question was 100% wrong. “Markstrom’s contract expired the day the Canucks was eliminated” – that is simply wrong and I hope you can admit that, can you? You haven’t been able to in the past.

    What you said is simply not what you have changed your reasoning too (which is essentially, they would give permission to teams to talk contract with him).

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909:
    I hope my earlier comments don’t make me too cynical to the regular Lowetide reader. The truth is, I like the job Ken Holland was doing until the play off started and Oilers folded like a 20 dollar suit.

    How did Ken Holland have an effect on the team’s play in August?

    He didn’t change anything from March to August.

  129. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: You mean the same Kevin Lowe that used the newly introduced cap ramifications to acquire Pronger and Peca in the off-season and Roloson, Samsanov, Spachek and Tanstrom in-season to take the team to Game 7 of the SCF?

    Blind squirrel meet nut…14 years ago,

  130. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: This may or may not be true but the answer you provided to the question was 100% wrong.“Markstrom’s contract expired the day the Canucks was eliminated” – that is simply wrong and I hope you can admit that, can you?You haven’t been able to in the past.

    What you said is simply not what you have changed your reasoning too (which is essentially, they would give permission to teams to talk contract with him).

    This is practically true.

    Doesn’t matter to me if you believe it or not.

  131. jp says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Do you know which NHL team has the fewest points since the salary cap was introduced?

    That team’s current GM has real quality record in that time though.

  132. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: They do it all the time.

    How do you think free agent contracts are announced 5 minutes after free agency opens?

    Magic?

    Because they are allowed to negotiate freely the week before free agency is official.
    Otherwise what’s the point for trading for the rights of a player if everyone can just negotiate with them at any time
    Why did Montreal trade for Edmundson rights? They could have just come to a verbal agreement
    The contracts are not allowed to be announced until July 1st but most are agreed that week before

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: They do it all the time.

    How do you think free agent contracts are announced 5 minutes after free agency opens?

    Magic?

    Well, prior to now there was a 5 day courting period under the existing CBA.

    With that said, yes, teams have and do give permission to other teams to talk to their players – if they reach an agreement, a pick traded for the rights can be negotiated.

    What is clear though is that that is not what you thought was the case – you statement the contract was over when the nucks were eliminated. That is wrong and you refuse to admit it but are trying to convince the rest that you didn’t mean what you said.

    Man up, admit the mistake and move on – what do you say?

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Also, I’m not so sure that the Canucks would give the flames permission to talk to their elite level caliber goalie. The Hurricanes, sure, maybe, the flames, seems a bit unlikely.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: This is practically true.

    Doesn’t matter to me if you believe it or not.

    No, it really isn’t.

  136. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Why is it ironic?

    Since JOFA’s been going on about him ending up there, and has Holland sent him on a plane yet, etc.

  137. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Why is it ironic?

    Because like a fat kid on a piece of Black Forest Cake there’s a couple of posters who are relentlessly hoping Benson fails in his bid to carve out a career in Edmonton.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    SHL regular season starts tomorrow and I’m super pumped with so many Oilers’ prospects (and an established NHL player) starting their seasons. Tomorrow we have the following in action:

    Skelefteea: Broberg
    Farjestad: Nygard
    Rogule: Lavoie (hopefully – I think his contract was just a tryout – I anticipate he is on the team)
    Linkoping: Berglund

    Really pumped to see how Berglund and Broberg do – both these guys may effect the Oilers roster soon than later in 2021/22 in my opinion (maybe even after their seasons end in Sweden this year – AHL/NHL).

    HockeyAllsvenskan doesn’t start its regular season until October so still need to wait a bit for Bouch

  139. jp says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I don’t buy the “they had to bring up the kids”, as an excuse to excuse a massive anchor blackhole buyout for many years

    – Have your cake and eat it: bring back healthy Sek,trade him in season, and also bring up the kids.

    – It was poor asset management.I get why it can be rationalized, but it stings big time, and will for years.After 15 games into season, he was way more tradeable than the awful Green for a 3rd

    – Also an easy target though: a injured guy who was brought in by the fired guy

    Who on earth were you going to trade the $5.5M shell of Andrej Sekera to?

    He got $1.5M + bonuses on the open market. There’s no chance anyone was taking him for $5.5M X 2 years.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Since JOFA’s been going on about him ending up there, and has Holland sent him on a plane yet, etc.

    Oh, I see – yup.

  141. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Did they buy out Sekera because of injury worries?

    Because, if not that, why not just buy out the starfish cowboy?

  142. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: No, it really isn’t.

    Yes, it really is.

    The NHL extended all contracts until October 31 because they needed to ensure players could get visas in the playoffs.

    Now free agency is October 9th but there has been no new agreement with the NHLPA.

    Do you think teams will wait until Halloween?

  143. leadfarmer says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Did they buy out Sekera because of injury worries?

    Because, if not that, why not just buy out the starfish cowboy?

    No they bought out Sekera to make room for the young players. Holland said that himself earlier this year

  144. leadfarmer says:

    I’m case you guys haven’t noticed our resident troll is pretty much clueless on every subject
    Not even Ahl trolling anymore

  145. Lowetide says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I don’t buy the “they had to bring up the kids”, as an excuse to excuse a massive anchor blackhole buyout for many years

    – Have your cake and eat it: bring back healthy Sek,trade him in season, and also bring up the kids.

    – It was poor asset management.I get why it can be rationalized, but it stings big time, and will for years.After 15 games into season, he was way more tradeable than the awful Green for a 3rd

    – Also an easy target though: a injured guy who was brought in by the fired guy

    He had a $5.5 million cap hit for 2019-20 and 2020-21, plus a no trade clause that sliced out half the league as a trade option. Plus he had played a total of 62 of a possible 164 games over two seasons, looking quite a bit less than the Sekera we saw in 2016-17.

  146. Harpers Hair says:

    Just downloaded the new version of Safari.

    This website had 8 trackers on my case in a minute.

    All blocked.

  147. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer: No they bought out Sekera to make room for the young players. Holland said that himself earlier this year

    He bought out Sekera ostensibly to clear cap to sign Brett Connolly.

    Then he used most of the cap savings to pay Chiasson.

    He could have just traded Benning and given his 13 minutes per game to Sekera reducing the duration and pain of the buyout.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Did they buy out Sekera because of injury worries?

    Because, if not that, why not just buy out the starfish cowboy?

    Buying out Russell only saves $1M on the cap this year (and adds the extra year with $500K dead cap hit).

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Yes, it really is.

    The NHL extended all contracts until October 31 because they needed to ensure players could get visas in the playoffs.

    Now free agency is October 9th but there has been no new agreement with the NHLPA.

    Do you think teams will wait until Halloween?

    Free agency opens on October 9 – contracts run until midnight on October 8.

    Teams are not at liberty to talk to players under contract on other teams until that time, unless granted express permission.

    You are simply wrong.

  150. Material Elvis says:

    Harpers Hair: Haven’t you spotted him at the draft table?

    Business execs don’t usually do that unless they’re involved in decisions.

    Does that mean Harrison Katz is making the picks?

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GoCQliLMXe5UU_k4xlDbNEUvWYt493bK/view

    Extension of Expiring Contracts

    • Upon agreement of an adjusted Critical Dates Calendar for the remainder of the 2019-20 League Year
    and subject to the paragraph immediately below, all SPCs which are scheduled to expire on June 30,
    2020 shall be hereby extended, and such expiring SPCs shall remain valid and effective until the day
    before the opening of Free Agency as set out in the adjusted Critical Dates Calendar or such other date
    as mutually agreed upon by the NHL and NHLPA.

    ————

    I look forward to your admission of error.

  152. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m thinking there isn’t a big country music scene in Austria….. how is Coop going to keep his career going?

    By working on his skating…..

  153. Harpers Hair says:

    Material Elvis: Does that mean Harrison Katz is making the picks?

    That would certainly explain a lot of things.

  154. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GoCQliLMXe5UU_k4xlDbNEUvWYt493bK/view

    Extension of Expiring Contracts

    • Upon agreement of an adjusted Critical Dates Calendar for the remainder of the 2019-20 League Year
    and subject to the paragraph immediately below, all SPCs which are scheduled to expire on June 30,
    2020 shall be hereby extended, and such expiring SPCs shall remain valid and effective until the day
    before the opening of Free Agency as set out in the adjusted Critical Dates Calendar or such other date
    as mutually agreed upon by the NHL and NHLPA.

    ————

    I look forward to your admission of error.

    Tell you what.

    On October 9th, we’ll count the number of free agent contracts announced in the first hour of free agency.

    Then you can explain how those contracts were negotiated and sent to the league office for approval, we’re approved and the teams and players notified by the league and the team’s PR departments wrote and distributed press releases.

    I look forward to your admission of….

  155. Todd Macallan says:

    Report of Lavoie apparently leaving Rogle today, before the start of the regular season. No Google translate on this article, maybe some help from Swedishposter on this one?

    https://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/sport/hockey/shl/talangen-lamnar-rogle-timmar-fore-shl-premiaren/

  156. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Todd Macallan:
    Report of Lavoie apparently leaving Rogle today, before the start of the regular season. No Google translate on this article, maybe some help from Swedishposter on this one?

    https://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/sport/hockey/shl/talangen-lamnar-rogle-timmar-fore-shl-premiaren/

    Good opportunity to test my Swedish reading comprehension!

    “[Skipping the line about the 19-year old F not playing in the days match]

    As per sources from SportExpressen, he’ll be leaving Rogle and won’t be playing in tonight’s match against Linkoping.

    Their GM says: “He won’t be with us tonight, but other than that, I have no comments (on the matter)”.

    [Skip the line about his OIlers contract]

    The though was that he’d get a role on the team, but Rogle now has the opportunity to break the agreement before he SHL premiere.

    With only hours remaining before puck drop(?) against Linkoping, they’ll use that opportunity.”

    Sounds like the usual GM speak about such a scenario. If I had to guess, maybe he’s just not comfortable moving across the ocean and playing hockey in a foreign country. It’s hardly an easy thing- especially for a 20 year old.

  157. Woogie63 says:

    Harpers Hair: Tell you what.

    On October 9th, we’ll count the number of free agent contracts announced in the first hour of free agency.

    Then you can explain how those contracts were negotiated and sent to the league office for approval, we’re approved and the teams and players notified by the league and the team’s PR departments wrote and distributed press releases.

    I look forward to your admission of….

    There is a free agent negotiating period where any UFA player not signed 7 days in advance of the free agent deadline can begin talks with any team, This clause came into effect in 2012-13.

    Your original point was the Flames are going hard after Markstrom must be false or we can anticipate the Flames are about to face league sanctions.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    My understanding (from Gregor) that Lavoie was with Rogule on a tryout but I guess he’s made the team as he’s playing tomorrow.

    Warning: Google Translate:

    https://www.roglebk.se/gamecenter/qY7-AfetmBGhI/articles/pre

    After just over four weeks in Sweden and four pre-season matches, it’s finally time for Raphaël Lavoie to make his real debut in Rögletröjan in tomorrow’s SHL premiere at home against Linköping.

    – It’s going to be really fun. I look forward to playing a competitive match. I will miss the audience, I have understood that there is good pressure in this hall normally and I hope to experience it soon as well. The most important thing is that we play well and win so the supporters have something to be happy about, says Raphaël after Friday’s training.

    Raphaël came to Rögle at the end of August, loaned by the Edmonton Oilers to Rögle this season. The tall and hard-shooting Canadian has so slowly begun to acclimatize in the Swedish rinks – and to meet seniors.

    – It has been a big change in many ways. The biggest difference is that I meet adult men for the first time. They are stronger and more skilled but it feels better and better, says Raphaël.

    The Canadian talent has scored points in Canadian junior hockey in recent seasons – but tomorrow’s match will be the first competitive match in a senior context for him.

    – It’s going to be really fun. I long, says Raphaël, who has recently been matched in a chain with Brady Ferguson as center and Nils Höglander on the other side.

    The trio played together at today’s training and looks to gain confidence in the premiere tomorrow night as well.

    All players were in training today – team captain Mattias Sjögren, who has been away for a long time, will, however, follow the premiere from the stands.

    – We judge that he feels best from training for another whole week before he is ready. It’s a long season, says Rögle’s physiotherapist Christopher Alvengrip.

    The team against Linköping is taken out on the match day, but this is what the formations looked like at today’s training:

    Goalkeepers: Johan Gustafsson and Christoffer Rifalk.

    Back: Éric Gélinas-Lucas Ekeståhl-Jonsson, Samuel Jonsson-Niklas Hansson, Erlend Lesund-Craig Schira, Jakob Bondesson-Samuel Johannesson.

    Chains: Leon Bristedt-Simon Ryfors-Daniel Zaar, Dennis Everberg-Adam Tambellini-Olli Palola, Nils Höglander-Brady Ferguson- Raphaël Lavoie , Erik Andersson-Anton Bengtsson-Taylor Matson, Adam Edström-Mattias Sjögren-Melker Eriksson.

    The match starts at 18:00. Do not miss RögleLive’s talk directly on our instagram, @roglebk, starting at about 17:30 tomorrow Saturday.

    As it turns out, Lavoie is leaving Rogule and won’t play for the team.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Broberg with his 1st point of the season – an assist on the PP.

    2-0 Skelleftea in the first.

    Great to see Bro on the PP…..

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63: There is a free agent negotiating period where any UFA player not signed 7 days in advance of the free agent deadline can begin talks with any team,This clause came into effect in 2012-13.

    Your original point was the Flames are going hard after Markstrom must be false or we can anticipate the Flames are about to face league sanctions.

    The courting period has been terminated starting with this coming season – teams cannot talk to players under contract with other teams (without permission) until October 9.

    Since 2013, yes, there has been the courting period but it has been terminated int he negotiations this summer.

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Tell you what.

    On October 9th, we’ll count the number of free agent contracts announced in the first hour of free agency.

    Then you can explain how those contracts were negotiated and sent to the league office for approval, we’re approved and the teams and players notified by the league and the team’s PR departments wrote and distributed press releases.

    I look forward to your admission of….

    So you refuse to admit that your statement was just wrong – this isn’t an opinion, where there is no right and wrong, this is a factual matter and, once again, you show your inability to admit you were wrong on the facts – very non-adult like but you do you.

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nothing spectacular on the Broberg assist but a nice job walking the line and then a nice pass back against the grain:

    https://twitter.com/cmoresport/status/1307314523070771200

  163. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Another assist for Broberg just off a PP

  164. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual,

    At least it looked like it. Skelleftea’s PP is 3/3 so far tonight.

  165. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual,

    Correction: PP expired JUST before the goal. So even strength but pretty much a PP goal. Good to see that PP unit finding success with Broberg as it speaks to a solid likelihood it’ll stay together keeping Broberg there.

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    Broberg adds a second assist early in the 2nd – wow, what a start to the year.

  167. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Broberg with a goal! 1G 2A on the night with a fucking amazing PP night for them!

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