Trampled Underfoot

by Lowetide
Tyler Benson photo by Mark Williams

The Oilers organization at this time has a crazy talent distribution. The best player in the game, another likely inside the top-10 overall, then names like Darnell Nurse and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins with enough value to be “name” players. After that, several miles of role players and then a small group of talented youngsters (Evan Bouchard, Dylan Holloway, Philip Broberg, Dmitri Samorukov, Raphael Lavoie, Carter Savoie) finding their way.

We used to talk on this blog about drafting high being the only way to get impact players. Now, we look longingly at the Moreau-Marchant-Grier line and wonder where they come from. The Edmonton Oilers have 32 names on the 50-man locked in, and are going to add a bunch of names in the next few weeks. What will it look like?

THE ATHLETIC!

I’m proud to be writing for The Athletic, and pleased to be part of a great team with Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis. Here’s the latest!

CURRENT 50-MAN (33)

  • Goalies (4): Mikko Koskinen, Alex Stalock, Ilya Konovalov, Olivier Rodrigue
  • Left Defense (8): Darnell Nurse, Duncan Keith, Kris Russell, William Lagesson, Philip Broberg, Dmitri Samorukov, Markus Niemelainen, Oscar Klefbom (inj)
  • Right Defense (5): Ethan Bear, Evan Bouchard, Filip Berglund, Phil Kemp, Mike Kesselring
  • Center (5): Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Ryan McLeod, Tim Soderlund, Seth Griffith
  • Left Wing (6): Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, James Neal, Devin Shore, Dylan Holloway, Raphael Lavoie, Ostap Safin
  • Right Wing (5): Jesse Puljujarvi, Zack Kassian, Kyle Turris, Josh Archibald, Kirill Maksimov

I included Klefbom because Puck Pedia told me he counts (Hart is a good man) and that does impact things a little. Now, here are the RFA’s, with the players who I believe will be signed in red:

  • Goalies: Stuart Skinner, Dylan Wells
  • Left Defense: Theodor Lennstrom
  • Right Defense:
  • Center: Jujhar Khaira
  • Left Wing: Dominik Kahun, Tyler Benson
  • Right Wing: Kailer Yamamoto, Cooper Marody

Let’s say Dominik Kahun gets chosen by the Seattle Kraken, and Skinner, Khaira, Benson and Yamamoto are the only players added. That gets us to 37, and if Holland signs UFA’s Mike Smith and Slater Koekkoek that makes 39.

Holland has room to sign 7-9 new additions over the summer, even if no one is traded off the roster. It’s going to be a damn busy eight weeks.

NHL ROSTER 50-MAN (WITH SELECT RFA AND UFA)

Edmonton didn’t buy anyone out, but can do so after the draft and I expect it will happen (Neal). Holland can afford to sign two LW’s and move Nuge to center, or he can sign a LW and C (there aren’t many great pivots). Adam Larsson sounds less likely than a few days ago, we’ll see. I think Tyson Barrie might slide into the picture.

If you’re praying, the names are Linus Ullmark, Adam Larsson, Ryan Getzlaf, Taylor Hall and Tomas Tatar.

AHL ROSTER 50-MAN

One of the things I’ll be watching for is several NHL signings that will land in the AHL. Remember the year Peter Chiarelli signed Ty Rattie and a bunch of AHL vets in their mid-20’s? I think we’ll see several forwards added, although the Condors have signed several (including Brad Malone).

Here’s a list of players I believe are headed out: Mikko Koskinen, Alex Stalock, James Neal, Kyle Turris (possibly AHL).

A realistic procurement list is Zach Hyman, Jordan Martinook, Alex Chiasson, Adam Larsson, Mike Smith and Linus Ullmark.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we hit the airwaves with fun and great content (we hope). TSN1260, and our first guest is Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. Ken Holland has set a course and the summer procurement is underway. Is Bruce more or less confident in Holland’s work today than he was a week ago? At 11, Joe Osborne from OddsShark will talk MLB and NBA. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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winchester

The problem with Holland picking Broberg has nothing to do with Broberg.

Holland came in and did not support the Oilers scouts and draft list. He did not understand what the had for strengths and weaknesses. He was picking his pick.

The rumor of a rift between Holland and scouts is real. He is not listening.

He was was genuinely shocked at the kickback after the trade. He had no idea. He’s in a vacuum.

We talk about Keiths declining performance and cap hit.

Holland is well past his best before date and paid the most of any GM. Katz once again is not getting his money’s worth.

jp

The rumor of a rift between Holland and scouts is real. 

Is there a rumour about a rift between Holland and the scouts? I was not aware.

Can you elaborate? Or give a link or something?

maudite

Pick should have been going to an intermediate team to retain some of cap…with his actual dollars so low surely you might find someone willing to chew 25% at least for a pick no?

The not sending at least turris back and taking a plug contract off their roster to boot…just senseless lack of negotiating consider all factors in play and benefits for hawks here.

I dont mind having Duncan Keith and will cheer like he’ll for him – but I hate this deal.

Last edited 3 months ago by maudite
jtblack

Last thought;

The whole narrative about being a character guy or good in the room or championship pedigree is totally fine; but it’s completely irrelevant once a player loses their ability to play or loses their ability to play on the ice.

Gretzky & Jordan were the greatest “championship pedigree” guys ever. But after 35 their teams never accomplished anything.

So it just worries me when AGM talks about character and chat is character and championship pedigree with very old players.

If a guy is 29 or 31 ? I get it. 38????

Dac189

Gretzky was traded at 28ish and never won the cup after. Creating the 35y+ narrative seems arbitrary.
There have been multiple examples of older defensemen playing prominent roles and getting far in the playoffs.
Posted either today or yesterday by people here

jtblack

Yes it is a short list. KH has all the risk.

godot10

Kenny has mined the geriatric once elite D market over the years to great success.

Fetisov, Murphy, Chelios, Rafalski, Lidstrom, Coffey

Last edited 3 months ago by godot10
Reja

Its his M-O also no cap helps as well.

TheGreatBigMac

Green, Ekman-Larsson, Keith, seems like we’ll have more of this to look forward to while Ken is the GM. More to speculate on, which aging vet defenseman will we target next?!

jp

Yeah, I’ve been meaning to look more thoroughly at this.

Holland has indeed mined that market to great success. I’m wondering if there are also some notable fails in there?

Based on the old guys everyone remembers at least, Holland’s record here is really very good.

jtblack

At least Keith and Smith have stuff in common.

Aging issues. Teenagers. Doubters.

I say bring Getzlaf… or Parise … or Jagr

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Reja

Smith is happily married Keith is going through the ringer.

Redbird62

Keith separated from his wife over 6 years ago. The divorce itself is ancient history. This is only about getting to see his son more often, who has been living in Penticton for the past 6 years.

Reja

So he’s not in and out of courtrooms and doesn’t have a expensive lawyer. You must be in pretty tight with him:

OriginalPouzar

Any tighter than you are with him? You know, as the person constantly speculating about how much money he needs in order to live through his support payments?

Reja

Didn’t you mention retirement after this year was possible sounds like speculating about his finances to me.

Redbird62

“Keith is going through the ringer” sounds pretty much like a statement of fact about what is happening right now with him. You have anything to back it up? The details of his divorce (finalized in 2015) and financial arrangements were publicly disclosed.

Reja

I don’t get what your point is but his personal life is why this trade happened in a hurry just like like Arnott and Pronger had to go. Shanahan and Janney saga and countless others over the years. You sound like a fanboy for Holland who can do no wrong where as I’m a Oiler fan first because he could of done so much better with the predicament Bowman was in.

Harpers Hair

Kent Wilson (@Kent_Wilson) Tweeted:
@Kinger999 @ChinookArchYYC @CofRedCentral Gio is worth more than that given the market set by Keith.

https://twitter.com/Kent_Wilson/status/1415509525717651465?s=20

Harpers Hair

Mike (@HabsLaughs) Tweeted:
UFA right handed defensemen that can replace Shea Weber: 

-Dougie Hamilton. 

End of list.

https://twitter.com/HabsLaughs/status/1415474877084094464?s=20

Side

This reminds me of when you said Weber was a better LHD than Nurse.

Ahh, good times.

jtblack

KH left DET in a hot mess Cap wise. Now It could be true that he had pressure from ownership to continue to win now at all is continue to win now at all costs. We will never know.

But It is not debatable that he signed some terrible longterm contracts in Detroit before he left. Showing almost no Pro Scouting Ability.

HERE GOES NOTHING: KH TRADE RECORD

IN:
NEAL
6th RD
REDMOND
7TH RD
ENNIS
GREEN
ANATHOUSIS
KUFFNER
KEITH

OUT:
LUCIC
3RD RD
MARINO
PERSSON
5TH RD
4TH RD
2ND RD
2ND RD
JONES
3RD RD

Assumimg NEAL gets bough out.

Current roster is KIETH in.

ALL the other stuff out ????

Am I missing something?

JimmyV1965

Lol. I chuckled at that.

jtblack

I know: but is there a pattern unfolding?

jtblack

My point is the Trades are facts. They happenned. And if you look whats left on the Roster vs. What went out; makes you blush.

A lot of draft Capital Out

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leadfarmer

I would have put money down that getting rid of that Lucic contract by itself would have cost more.
and Marino wasn’t going to sign so we got something for him before he walked for free

jtblack

Absolutely fair points. what about the rest?

leadfarmer

Honestly the only one I hated at the time was the AA trade because I felt there was no way he was worth another 2nd
Otherwise I guess he should have predicted covid 🤷‍♂️

Reja

The Honeymoon is over he’s made some weird decisions that have not panned out. Holland walked into the perfect scenario and we sit with a 1W 7L playoff record under his leadership.

Reja

it should of been Keith’s job who has Oiler blood running through his veins and not a lifelong Red Wing in Holland being our GM but Katz had to calm the masses and bring in stability. I have no doubt in my mind that we would be closer to a cup with Keith Gretzky running the show.

leadfarmer

Perfect scenario??
he was in cap hell with roster holes galore.
I mean you can complain about his decisions since but that was a rough landing.

jtblack

I agree 1000% , KH took over a hot pile of trash from Pistol Pete.

But. If we just look at his moves since arriving, are we seeing Red Flags?

The Lucic trade was fine. He was handciffed thanks to Pete. KOSKI same. Marino would not sign in Edm.

But the AA & Green at the deadline cost
2nd
2nd
4th

For 10 NHL games

The Keith trade? We wait, but MOST are already questioning that KH has all the risk.

Chiasson. 2 YRS
Kassian 4 YRS
Turris 2 YRS
SHORE 2 YRS

not long term hell, but All Look like swings and misses.

SMITH – Worked out well

Someone

I’ll never understand why people lump Green in with the bad moves. It was a 4th for a deadline rental, nothing egregious there. Green got injured, and the entire world was turned upside down. I don’t think we can blame Oilers management for that.

Beyond that point, I agree with you. I wanted Holland to work out, but it just seems like more of what came before him. We convince ourselves the rumours aren’t true, and then we convince ourselves the move wasn’t so bad. I’ll cheer for Keith, and he might be good coverage for Klef, but we shouldn’t have given up value to take that risk.

Reja

It sure sucks having Connor, Leon and RNH down the middle and a half decent D with a solid pipeline as well. I can see why it took 25 million to shake Holland out of his cushy job he had for himself in HockeyTown.

MADOIL

If we buy out Neal and Koski can we bring these assets in:

Hall @ 6.5*5
Danault @5.25*4
Larson @4.25*4
Ullmark @3.0 *4
for a total of 19 Million.

Would these additions to lineup help us go deep in the playoffs?

MADOIL

Huh! Looks like nobody thinks these additions will help the Oil. Expanding on the above, this is the lineup we’d see with the above additions:

Mcd RNH JP
Drai Hall Yama
Danault Benson Kass
Mcleod Holloway Archi
JJ Shore

Nurse Bear
Keith Larson
Kookoo Bouch

Ullmark, Smith

Won’t this make noise in the second season?

leadfarmer

Sounds like Weber will not be protected and May be out for the season

Harpers Hair

Just heard on the radio it may be a career ending door injury.

Harpers Hair

*Foot.

Harpers Hair

Montreal just cleared up almost $8 million in cap space.

Dougie Hamilton?

leadfarmer

Not enough museums

Ice Sage

Landeskog.
Sakic loses the Midas touch.

leadfarmer

I live in predominantly Hawks country and there’s some pretty devastated people about the Hawks trading Keith

Reja

i would be happy as a clam if Mikko would of been part of the trade this was probably the only chance to dump him. I don’t think I can take first shot glove hand side Mikko for 36 more games. He needs to be taken on a camping trip deep in the bush ASAP.

RonnieB

Didn’t Talbot establish a record in his last season here by allowing something like 16 first shot goals? Wouldn’t you like to have Talbot as our goalie now?

OriginalPouzar

What happened to “Kosh”?

Reja

I never gave up in no particular order on Dave Dryden, Moog, Fuhr , Ranford, Joseph,Salo, Roloson , Dubnyk. Talbot lost the hard core working man’s confidence just like Mikko has and when that happens it’s time to leave the City of Champions.

defmn

So you are saying the trade was a lose-lose? 😉

Harpers Hair

Just heard that the Hawks are also looking at moving Patrick Kane.

They will be really devastated if that happens.

leadfarmer

I think Patrick Kane is looking at moving Patrick Kane

Side

Hopefully Patrick Kane isn’t Patrick Kane’s cab driver when Patrick Kane moves Patrick Kane. Otherwise Patrick Kane is in for a world of hurt.

Ice Sage

But if he gets a cab ride from another ex-hawk, one E. Belfour, he could be in for a payday!

Reja

If we lose a good kid and leader like Benson without ever test driving him and he pans out which I think he will with a smart cookie like Francis handling him will piss me off. Holland needs to be held accountable sooner or later for some of his strange moves and throwing away draft picks like a drunken Sailor.

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jtblack

You think Benson will pan out. Why?

He is tracking not to pan out? Read draft day projections … he is yet to arrive and hasn’t fixed what plagued him on draft day. Slow Boots

Reja

Because Francis is one of the all time greats he will find the correct niche for Benson to succeed for years to come if left unprotected by Holland.

OriginalPouzar

Benson very well could pan out as an NHL player. His time to step up and take that spot is now – if he’s still in the org, he should have every opportunity at camp. He was probably ready last season but Covid led to now tryouts at camp for rookies and no real ability to call-up.

Yanni Gourde had 3 more AHL seasons to come at Benson’s age.

Tampa has two very similar pedigree players they will likely be inserting. into the lineup this season – both with inferior AHL careers.

Benson’s skating issues are so highly over-rated in my opinion – his skating should not preclude an NHL career – he skates well enough.

Reja

Nobody was blocking Benson like Yanni no comparison he should of been given an opportunity especially with the draft this year. Excuses. Excuses.. Marody as well he should either be given a chance are set free. You don’t treat your prospects this way and don’t get me started on the first class treatment of Bouchard.

OriginalPouzar

Kahun and Ennis were bought in and back as Coach T. had a one week camp with no exhibition games and had no time to try out unproven rookies. Those players didn’t work out well but, given the three weeks from call-up to being game available (until 80% of the season was done) call-ups were not practical this year.

Gourde played in the minors until he was 3 years older than Benson is now – just one prominent example of how players can “make it” at various ages and how the door is 100% not shut on Tyler Benson.

Ken Holland has been developing prospects for decades with great success – I’ll take his history of success over your speculation of hurt feelings with Benson.

Reja

Holland had a stacked team no cap he traded all his picks at the deadline for D depth sound familiar doesn’t it. When your picking projects in the. 6th and 7th rounds these players need your favorite word marinating because they suck that’s why they last till the 6th round. Go back and look at the trades Holland did at the deadline 1st 2nd for D depth didn’t matter to Kenny his team was stacked. All I know is Ken had his buddy Bowman by the balls and instead set him up for years.

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Reja

How long did first rounder Larkin marinate about the same time Hollaway is going to. When a players ready he’s ready this isn’t rocket science it’s only up and down the ice hockey if you have speed hands and confidence your making millions.

Harpers Hair

His time to step up and take a spot was 2 years ago.

The Oilers bottom 6 has been the worst in the league for a very long time.

OriginalPouzar

2 years ago, he got two NHL stints and showed marked improvement as between the two. Last year there was no opportunity due to Covid – its too bad but no tryouts were available.

McSorley33

Bruce McCurdy with just a great write up on the trade on the Cult of Hockey

Wow- outstanding

leadfarmer

Ha!!
ok guys get this get this!!
This is funny
so we’ve been getting trolled about how if we waited a day we could have had Suter instead of Keith for far less.
But then you go to the Athletic prediction for free agents and guess what their prediction is?
5.3 *3 years!!!
haa!!!!
oh yeah and Suter is not leaving the Midwest

Harpers Hair

Okay…so now that Keith is firmly in place I am wondering how folks feel now about the 2019 entry draft and the Oilers picking Broberg at #8.

The Bob Father’s list, which is the consensus of the scouting community had Broberg at #15 (Valsili Podkolzin was #8).

The following players were picked after Broberg up to #15.

Zegras
Podkolzin
Soderstrom
Boldy
Knight
York
Caulfield

Was Holland wise in spending a high pick on a D who obviously isn’t helping now or in the immediate future when there was, and is, immediate need for impact top 6 forwards?

Would you argue, as Holland seems to be, that the team is better off in the long run or is this just a miscalculation of the urgency of becoming a true contender?

Messier11

I feel good about it. Plan for now and for the future. You can’t plan for only one and be successful.

leadfarmer

Actually like it a lot more now that Klef is probably done.
Now go join the online outrage at projections showing Podkolzin to be an avg NHLer

leadfarmer

Also Keith will help Broberg with the transition.
But hey we all know you are just trolling

Jethro Tull

How? Keith will likely be done or near done with the Oilers by the time Broberg plays any meaningful stretch of games. Unless the plan is to have Broberg billet with Keith and be the #7 D. Which I don’t see happening.

leadfarmer

who You got playing 3rd pairing LD?

Jethro Tull

Whichever veteran #6,7,8 Kenny has been known to bring in to keep the prospects developing. The times Broberg and Keith are in the same dressing room in the next two seasons could probably be counted on one hand.

Darth Tu

Looking at this another way, The Oilers wanted a d-man. They took a d-man. Now every team after them that selected a forward must feel silly that they passed on Caufield. Look at all those poor schlubs. But that’s a silly game isn’t it?

Entertaining that line of thought for D-men: is Soderstrom doing better than Broberg? No. Cam York? No. Thomas Harley? No. etc. Heinola has made it into games for Winnipeg I guess – but the coach didn’t seem to trust him, so again I’d say he’s not doing any better than Broberg. Maybe all these guys will make the NHL and in 10 years we can look back and say OH THE OILERS SCREWED UP THE PICK. For now we can’t, and Broberg looks to be developing just fine.

MushedPeas

If he competently fills a top pairing, this decade, I have no issue. At the time of the draft I put that in the context of CMD’s second wave of cup runs, where we’d still need young cheap talent to maintain steam. The fact that we’ll be lucky if it’s the *first* (last?) phase of EDM as a perennial competitor under McD? Well that’s Oilers for ya.

OriginalPouzar

Broberg was a teenager three weeks ago.

It was never anticipated that he would “help” before this season and he probably will play NHL games this season.

Duncan Keith acquired to play 2LD this season has zero to do with Broberg’s development.

Any reasons to like the pick on draft day, remain today. Reasons to not like the pick on draft day remain today.

Broberg’s development is mirroring Oscar Klefbom’s quite nicely.

leadfarmer

I wanted Zegras then Caufield then Broberg.
but it’s way too early to make this call especially how much ground Broberg can cover

Someone

How many people would take Nurse over Monohan today? How many people would have done that before this past season? I don’t have an issue with Holland taking Broberg based on how long it might take for him to be an NHL player. The only question is whether or not Broberg become a quality NHL defender.

McNuge93

Great example.

Harpers Hair

Really, it may well come down to how good the GM is at assessing how close his team is being a contender and how waiting on a high draft pick affects the other pieces on his roster.

As I suggested earlier, Holland IMO just overpaid to get a 2nd pairing D since his draft picks are not ready.

Because he made that draft pick, he is now forced to likely overpay in either free agency or trade to acquire a top 6 forward who was obviously available in the Broberg draft..so at best he’s paying twice in the short term for making that pick.

Some might argue that Broberg was the best player available but the consensus of the hockey world suggests that’s not true so it appears Holland picked for need while the clock is ticking on the contracts of his best players.

Whether or not Broberg turns out to be the best D taken in that draft someday (early returns would suggest otherwise) is of little consequence in the next couple of seasons while the high end forwards are having an impact on ELCs.

Someone

How do you figure there was a top 6 forward “obviously” available? There’s almost never an obvious move at the draft. In hindsight there are a couple guys that are most likely going to be, but Zegras has 13 NHL points, Caufield has 17. Both of these guys are tracking well and should play a role next year, but Yamamoto is a good example of why you don’t count your chickens before the hatch. None of this was obvious on draft day.

On the other hand, shying away from drafting defensemen because of development time is foolish. Nurse and Klefbom are the first Dmen of consequence the Oilers have drafted and developed in exactly one forever (maybe two), and the D corps was in shambles for a long time. It’s unlikely Brobeg helps this year, but that shouldn’t impact draft day decisions much. Nobody can foresee the future. While we might need a winger right now, we’ll probably need a Dman when Broberg is ready with Klef’s situation and Keith being 37 and off the books in 2 years.

Reja

Zegras would sure look good with Leon

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Spencer Knight is the only one I would have preferred but I was and am okay with the pick.

Those fast and toolsy defensemen are most often only traded past their prime, or before by mistake.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

And I’d like to answer your question with one of my own, as it pertains to your drafting strategy.

Should an organization draft for need, or BPA?

What are the exceptions, if any?

Harpers Hair

This is evolving in my mind.

If you’re convinced the player can be an elite C or elite D…draft them…no matter your need.

This is especially true of centres since most can play wing just as well.

And, as we’ve seen in the last decade, elite D arrive very early.

Beyond that, always BPA.

I’ve always thought Broberg was drafted for a perceived need at the time which may or may not have been accurate.

And responding to your prior post about great defensemen never being available except through the draft or mistakes I wholeheartedly disagree.

Take a look at how Tampa, Montreal and Colorado, for example, acquired their defensemen.

The cap and especially the flat cap have drastically changed how that market segment functions.

Obviously, draft and develop will always have a role but any GM who relies on it exclusively will find himself left behind.

leadfarmer

Elite offensive midget D arrive early. Big D do not. We’ve already been over this

Harpers Hair

This is nonsense.

Rasmus Dahlin is 6’3” 207.

I could give you a dozen other examples but you would just keep spouting blather so I won’t bother.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

By what metrics is Dahlin elite?

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I am going to puke if I hear “elite D arrive early” one more time.

Please define “early” and “elite D”.

As a crude exercise, look at the top-scoring D from this past season. The list is littered with D who spent years in development leagues/developing in the NHL before they became real difference makers.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Please provide specific criteria for early and elite.

jtblack

Top Scoring doesnt mean elite

Harpers Hair

This is demonstrably false.

14 of the top 20 scoring D last season spent zero to little time developing in the minors never mind “years in development leagues”

http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20202021&seasonTo=20202021&gameType=2&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists&page=0&pageSize=50

dessert1111

I don’t think Broberg was drafted for need. I think they thought he was BPA. Maybe they’re right. I was very disappointed with the pick though. Seemed like he should have went 7-10 spots later, which is a lot in the first round. I guess we’ll see. He’s very athletic so there is still that upside.

Ozoil

Imagine picking podkolzin when you could have had Boldy, Knight, York or caufield. Yikes

Harpers Hair

You mean the 19 year old who led CSKA St. Peterburgh in playoff scoring in the second best league in the world or some other Podkolzin?

Ozoil

Yes, that’s the one

Reja

Klefbom’s probably done 378 games in 4 1/2 years did he really cover the bet being made of glass his whole career. A lot of time, energy juggling the line-up because he’s injured again or dealing with a staph infection which can be career ending In it self. In my opinion he was dominant in only one year 2017 which isn’t enough if I’m the GM trying to keep the Wolves at bay and keep the best job on the planet.

Harpers Hair

Miles to go is both a blessing and a curse in this case.

When you pick a player that high in the contemporary NHL, you would like to see an impact sooner rather than later when the clock is ticking on your best players.

OriginalPouzar

You mean like Podkolzin, who is almost the exact same age and is a forward (who are supposed to arrive even earlier). I believe your verbal on this player was glowing with playoff production yet he has shown no more than Broberg and, given he’s a forward, his development can be viewed as nothing but disappointing vis-a-vis Broberg.

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John Chambers

I’m not a fan of the structure of the Keith trade but …

Keith was a big part of the Hawks’ play-in series win. That was August, 2020 … eleven months ago.
I recall Chicago getting off to a hot, PDO-driven start to the season. However around the middle of the season they were a spent force an no longer in contention.
I’d like to see Keith’s 1H vs 2H splits on the 2021 season. Could he have ‘checked-out’ in March after the Hawks were no longer competitive?
Every player declines with age, but perhaps Keith went through a dip this season due to the malaise of CoVid and the hopelessness of the season played.
If he’s anywhere near the player he was ONE YEAR AGO we’re getting a massive upgrade at 2LD.

Redbird62

Through March 15 (29 games) Keith had a GF/GA of 51% with a PDO of 1.018. The remainder of the season (27 games), he had a GF/GA of 41% with a PDO of .981. So yes, his and Chicago’s results declined in the back half of the season. I don’t put much stock in xGF/xGA for assessing individual players. Its value is highest, but still not perfect, when looking at overall league scoring. That diminishes when using it for an overall team assessment. But the public data is far too vague for it to be useful in assessing and/or predicting the effectiveness of individual players. I’d get rid of a consultant who tried to tell me how oil and gas wells would perform based on industry wide decline curves even for a specific play (different companies get widely varied results drilling similar acreage in a similar region for a whole host of reasons that need to be accounted for), and similarly I wouldn’t put much stock in the analytic value of xGF/xGA based on Naturalstattrick data to assess the past and future performance of an individual player.

Some would claim that the difference between expected and actual is just puck luck, but somehow Kris Russell’s actual goal share has been above his expected goal share for 12 of the last 13 seasons and in many seasons by quite a bit. Caleb Jones did not have an unlucky season, he had a poor season. No guarantees in life, but the odds are pretty good that Duncan Keith will be a better 2rd pair left D next season than any left D that was in that role this past season.

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leadfarmer

Agreed
anyone that thinks we just gave away Caleb Jones needs to rewatch his last year
We gave away nothing

Reja

Let’s see what he looks like after being mentored by his big brother for a few years.

jtblack

Well I have taken 2 days to try and process the Keith trade ….

I still don’t understand what KH was thinking or how this transpired. I was ASSUMING Edm would be getting a pick OR Chi woold have retained some salary.

Reminds of another trade; where I heard “It’s 1 for 1” …. I said yah but what picks does Edm get and my friend said “No, it’s 1 for 1” 🤣

defmn

Yup. I know exactly how you feel.

jtblack

This is Not Good 😐

Jethro Tull

Bit of a gap there….

OriginalPouzar

Similar gap to this past draft and they turned one of those mid round picks in to Savoie and Tulio…..

Jethro Tull

Who? Is this an endorsement to piss your draft picks away? I’m all for using them to get help now, but that wasn’t the bill of goods we were sold on with Kenny, is it? Draft and Develop is supposed to be his MO. But maybe he swings some deals to get salary out and picks back. I’m not sure that it’s going to be that kind of year, though. I can see players AND picks going for cap relief.

OriginalPouzar

It was simply pointing out that the Oilers has a large gap last between their 1st rounder and their next pick and the GM and the scouting staff was able to grab two talented skilled forwards well after their rankings on most boards – two “real prospects” as we sit today. Not sure why that seemed to trigger such emotion.

Jethro Tull

Did you just passive aggressively call me a triggered snowflake?

Surely you point underlines the idiocy of trading picks for magic beans.

Or do you think Ken has another Datsyuk and Zetterberg in him?

OriginalPouzar

I don’t know what a snowflake is except the white stuff I have to shovel in the winter. I was just pointing out, in response to a post that showed the Oilers have 100 spots between picks, that not all is lost – it was similar last year and it looks like a very solid draft. You seem to be inferring meaning to an innocuous post that isn’t there.

Harpers Hair

There are no American tanks at the Baghdad airport.

OriginalPouzar

You think you are clever with your passive aggressive insults but, of course, all they do is show immaturity. Carry on though as they give you so much pleasure.

Randle McMurphy

Have we ever graduated a sixth round pick?

jp

Have we ever graduated a sixth round pick?

Marino was a 6th round pick, though we didn’t graduate him.

Davidson and Hartikainen were 6th round picks too. Brodziak was a 7th round pick.

You know who the Oilers all time best 6th round pick was? Steve Smith.

jtblack

PLAYERS drafted after #100, to play more than 100 Games for EDM (mostly).
Between 2005 & 2015

2010 – Brandon Davidson
2015 – Ethan Bear & Caleb Jones (93 GP)

There is your list. The pickin’s be slim after #100

OriginalPouzar

Moonlight

 July 14, 2021 9:37 am

If Klefbom goes on LTIR that opens up $4.1 M, iirc. That means that if KH spends that money during the summer, we have to be creative to be cap compliant entering the season. Is my understanding correct?

They will likely need to put Klef on off-season LTIR in order to get cap compliant on day 1. The amount of the LTIR reserves they will have (the amount they will be able to go over the cap by), will be the amount their total cap on the date of placement – no extra.

Of course, they will need to be less than $4.1M over the cap in order for this to work.

Also, importantly, if they are using LTIR reserves from day 1, just like last season, they will be accruing no cap space daily to bank and use for in-season transactions. Get used to “dollar in and dollar out” as we approach the deadline.

Using LTIR reserves – SUCKS!

Scungilli Slushy

A cold enough GM would trade the contract to avoid the hassles.

leadfarmer

Contract is not insured. So this would be cost prohibitive in assets

Redbird62

Tampa managed for all of 2021 with Kucherov on LTIR. I believe they had to pick up Gaborik and Nilsson and their LTIR numbers as well before the season to make it all work. It cost them 2 guys they probably didn’t want anymore (Colburn and Paquette) plus they had to throw in a 2nd rounder. Not saying its easy or cheap, but it can be accomplished.

Moonlight

Thanks OP

chrisco stu

So can Neal be added to LTIR as well, allowing us to exceed the cap up to the sum of his and Klefbom’s salaries?

OriginalPouzar

If he’s injured and gone for the entire season.

I think James Neal is looking to play NHL hockey so i don’t see him going along with a rouse.

chrisco stu

I know that he’d have to be gone for the season, but maybe it’s more appealing to him to get the rest of his contract paid in full as opposed to the buyout and maybe signing a pto. I’m not sure there would be a market for him at all.

OriginalPouzar

I anticipate he’d get a contract from an NHL team.

Either way, if he wants to play hockey this year, agreeing to go with an LTIR rouse prohibits that.

dessert1111

If the start the season about 3m over the cap, then waive 3 guys who won’t get claimed before rosters have to be set, and play the first game with a 20 man roster, then call LTIR Klefbom and call everybody back up so there’s 4m to play with, would that work?

OriginalPouzar

Yes, that would but here is hoping there aren’t three guys that would not be claimed on the roster…… Bouchard could be one of the guys, waiver exempt, but, then again, I believe there is a cap implication of calling guys up during the season with performance bonuses.

jp

Well Bouchard and McLeod are 99% sure to be 2 ELC players on the roster who could be sent down for compliance. Shore/Turris seem like other obvious options who could be waived to get compliant.

OriginalPouzar

I think there are salary cap implications with respect to bringing players up mid-season with performance bonuses (so this would hit Bouchard, if its true).

Also, the opening night 23 likely doesn’t have Turris to start with (although I think he’ll compete hard to make the team at camp and, from accounts, is training hard in Edmonton these days).

Reja

If I was Holland besides a Goalie and a 3C I would be using Keith to target Saab I know he’s American but so was Weight and Guerin who I fell in love with both with their dedication and talent. I got a good vibe that we will lock him up and he will mesh with Connor and Leon and rip up the league for at least 30 plus goals

Scungilli Slushy

Saab is Swedish!

VanIsleOil

I like Saab too…better than BMW..:)

Redbird62

Not enough like minded customers out there. Saab went bankrupt in 2012 and the successor company that bought the assets to make electric cars ceased using the name in 2014.

leadfarmer

Sounds like a Saab story
Ill show myself out

Redbird62

A Saad story followed with a Saad joke! Starts ducking the flying objects.

MushedPeas

magical thread 🙂

MushedPeas

lol.

A fave of me Pa’s, as it happens. Never owned but always talks them up

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defmn

I bought a SAAB 900 new. My favourite car of all time including an Audi and Mercedes that I have owned.

Just a beauty to drive.

Pechetr

Lets say we didn’t make the move for Duncan Keith. Please propose to me what the Oilers D core looks like for next season? Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear full stop. None of the prospect are capable of stepping into the top 4 just yet. Larsson is not signed, Klef is on LTIR and Barrie is not signed. Not many top 4 D available in free agency and even fewer likely coming to Canada. Plus you are competing against 31 other teams potentially to get them driving the price up. Holland felt a bird in the hand…… I will take the assurance of having a legit NHL defenceman vs magic beans. It is easy to see how Holland felt he had to make the move.

judgedrude

Can I add: Including Larsson at $4M and Sekera’s buyout, our top 4D are currently $18.4M in cap (Klef LTIR and not counted). That seems reasonable for next year’s cap hit.

Pechetr

Of course you can. I just hope Larsson re-signs. If we lose him we have huge holes to fill.

Darth Tu

Yarp. That’s the right take. The lack of retention of any money at all is the issue with the trade. Apart from that I have no issue with Keith as a stop gap 2LD until Klefbom either returns (please), or Broberg or Samorukov forces the issue.

I know we can say “if we’d only waited a day, we could have offered Suter a deal”. However I don’t think Suter signs here – he’s going to have most of the league after him even if he is in decline.

Other Left D? I don’t think Martinez comes here. After that the choice is pretty weak for left d in free agency this year. Oleksiak? He’ll get paid by someone. Goligoski – similar to Keith. Kulikov was maybe an option, but definitely offers less than a little in the way of offence – I didn’t mind him though.

Again, if the Blackhawks had retained even a million I’d probably be reasonably pleased with the Keith trade. With no retention I’m disappointed, but don’t dislike the player.

Pechetr

I agree. Salary retained of any amount would have been ideal, But we did badly need a legit second pair D after the news on Klefbom. I suspect we would have paid close to Keith on a FA if we could find one to come here and likely would have been for at least double the term. It’s only 2 yrs and based on money owed, Keith could retire next year. A lot of people losing their minds over a mil.

Pechetr

All that being said, I do think in a second line role, Keith will be just fine. I am honestly looking forward to him and Larsson on a pair. They are both mean. Keith is no shrinking violet and will have a chip on his shoulder for sure.

MushedPeas

Even one year of Turris the other way would make this more palatable.

Darth Tu

Also very true. Man. I really wanted that Turris bet to work out.

ArmchairGM

Nick Leddy is a better bet. Same money, 8 years younger and just 1 year left.

fishman

So refreshed about a half an hour. Couldn’t get back in and got the Data Base error message (had trouble getting in first thing this morning as well). Just tried again and got back in. Gremlins obviously alive and well!

Ryan

Yeah, it’s been bad today around lunch time.

Lowetide is a victim of his own success. Too much traffic.

Traffic is way up today from yesterday.

Maybe LT will have to turn this site into a private club with a monthly recurring membership fee.

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McSorley33

Vomit inducing LW depth chart.

JOFA

Sooooooo…circle back to Barrie?

JOFA

Or go all in on Hamilton?

jp

Yeah, you had the order wrong.

I still think Larsson will be back though.

MushedPeas

All in! They’ll never see it coming

jimboil

In Duncan Keith
Out Caleb Jones, Adam Larson (would be ironic if he signed in Chicago)Tyler Benson, 3rd round pick, 4.5 million on Cap
Not good asset management. Does not inspire confidence.

JOFA

Just wait for the 6×6 for Hyman 😃

Pechetr

Exactly part of the issue. If Holland had to go shopping for a FA to fill that second line D spot, what would it have cost?

JOFA

Who filled that spot last year? There is more than one way to skin a cat.

1. Wait ro see what happens in the expansion draft.
2. You make a deal at the deadline just before the playoff run.

The biggest challenge is do you trust Kenny to make a smart trade/signing?

It’s not sign a FA or bust

MrEd

You may be right. I’m hoping for 5.5×5.

Pechetr

Where is the 4.5 on the cap coming from?

Darth Tu

Is that the difference with Jones out and Keith in?

Pechetr

I was thinking that is what he meant but in his scenario he doesn’t include the space created by Larsson “out” or Klefboms salary to LTIR. Actually as he has proposed, the Oilers actually gain 4 mill in space.

Redbird62

The Oilers have ~$11.5 million of cap room with Keith on the roster and with Klefbom’s contract effectively not on LTIR (or on LTIR but not going over the cap). If they buyout Neal, they gain another $3.8 million for the next 2 seasons (at the expense of -1.95 million in years 3 & 4). If they buy out Koskinen, they get another $ 3 million this year (and have a cap hit of $1.5 million the next).

So without having Klefbom’s $$ causing the team go over the cap, the range of cap they have would be $11.5 million to $19.3 million to pay for Larsson ($3-$4 million), Yamamoto (~$1.5 to $ 2 million) leaving $5.5 to as much as $15 million to go after other players (1 goalie if Koskinen stays or maybe 2 if he goes, plus a few forwards). And every player currently holding a roster spot that gets pushed down by a new player coming on board, frees up $700,000 to $1.1 million max. For example, Turris is listed on the roster right now, but if he gets replaced and goes to the AHL, it frees up ~$1.1 million whereas Shore or Lagesson being pushed off the 23 man roster frees up their actual cap hits ($725,000 and $850,00).

Without a buyout or a trade that moves salary, Kenny doesn’t have tons of room to add everything he probably believes he needs. But with 2 buyouts, he would have quite a bit of room. And it is also possible to use Klefbom’s cap hit, to get another player, either in season, or even beforehand, but that limits his flexibility.

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jp

No, your predictions do not inspire confidence.

Litke 94

That call they just played on OilersNow, from the night the Oilers were booted from the playoffs, with the caller pretty much predicting/forecasting the future Keith situation to a tee was…. strange. And the dude sounded half drunk to boot!

Now every single one of those crazy calls that comes into the open line I’ll be wondering if it’s possibly true. “This caller suggesting the Oilers could get Victor Hedman sounds batsh** crazy…. but what if???” lol.

Jethro Tull

…..and that little caller grew up to be……Ken Holland.

And now you know the rest of the story.

McSorley33

Well played…very well played

Litke 94

Thank you Mr. Harvey!

OriginalPouzar

That AHL defence looks absolutely wonderful. I think Lennstrom may be added. No sure thing but I think the’ll qualify him. May need to subtract Sammy from the Condors’ roster – I could see him on the NHL team in October and, if not, prior to the turn of the calendar.

Oubviously Yamamoto and Benson will be qualified and brought back – Kailer will likely sign for a couple of years with an AAV around $2M. I think Benson may be lost in expansion the way its going and I won’t like it.

Khaira may not get qualified but I think he’ll be back – from accounts the team is looking to get him signed for a bit less than his QO – probably will get a couple of years in order to get that done.

I still see no reason not to qualify Kahun at $1M – I think the risk of an award over $2M in arbitration is low and he didn’t struggle to produce with 2nd line minutes any more than Yamamoto did. Qualify him but don’t protect him – it could save the organization Tyler Benson.

I remain confidant that Adam Larsson will be back next season.

Harpers Hair

Let me get this straight.

You have said that Broberg was drafted because Klefbom was injured and Broberg was his replacement.

Now the Oilers have signed Keith as a replacement for Klefbom.

What, then, was the point in drafting Broberg when the Oilers were, and are, in desperate need of top 6 wingers?

Darth Tu

Was Klefbom injured when they drafted Broberg? Broberg was drafted because they wanted Broberg, who will be ready at the appropriate time.

Have you moved on from bashing Bouchard now to bashing Broberg?

Broberg likely replaces Keith and Klefbom one day. It’s like saying “why did Barcelona sign Iniesta to the youth academy when they already had Guardiola and Iniesta?”. In the words of Guardiola himself: “You will retire me, but this kid will retire us both.”

Harpers Hair

I was told (repeatedly) here that the reason Broberg was drafted was because Holland knew Klefbom was injured and would not be available.

Well…here we are with Klefbom gone and Holland trades for Keith to fill that hole which blows that theory right out of the water.

As of this next season, would the Oilers be better off with a high end forward from that draft and Keith on the roster or having yet another defenseman marinating in the minors while scrambling to find a top 6 winger?

As it turns out, the Oilers have already overpaid for Keith and are likely to overpay for a winger either in free agency or though trade as well as drafting Broberg higher than he should have been.

The logic escapes me.

DevilsLettuce

So let me get this straight, you being the most brilliant man alive can’t see how Duncan Keith is filling the Oscar Klefbom role while Philip Broberg is developing? Which if all goes right in 2 years Philip Broberg will be knocking it out of the park assuming a 2nd pairing role behind Nurse while Duncan Keith’s contract is at an end who said replaced Oscar Klefbom due to a career ending injury.

Your brilliant ass can’t do that math?

You’re such a damn fraud.

jp

Your brilliant ass can’t do that math?

He can do math. He just chooses not to when it helps him to crap on the Oilers. Which is much worse actually.

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Side

This is a polite take.

There have been a lot of times HH has just.. made up numbers. Or parotted wrong numbers put up by someone else and defended them.

Anything HH posts requires an integrity audit by whoever wants to attempt having a serious discussion with him.

Darth Tu

Question for the group. If we can’t get Larsson done, do we take a shot at Brogan Rafferty?

Side

No point. Rafferty is going to the Kraken. Shit, he WILL be the Kraken. No need to ice up a whole team when you have Rafferty and his ability to cover the entire ice and play as if he has mythological strength and 8 arms. Brogan Krakerty. Book it.

jp

Yes, this is also true, haha.

Reja

Holland walked into a team stacked on D prospects with a couple of MVP Centres up front. Buys out Sekera when he didn’t have and has pissed away drafted picks like cheap beer. All that would have been forgiven if he would of dumped Mikko’s contract to the Hawks on the Keith deal.

Pechetr

There are a number of ways to get rid of Mikko’s contract. Stay tuned….ha ha

Ryan

How can Holland possibly expose Benson with that LW depth chart?

RNH
Neal (buyout candidate)
Kahun (will they qualify?)
Shore (not an analytics signing)
Holloway

Shore should at best be our 13th forward. If we buyout Neal and the Kraken claim Benson, and Kahun doesn’t get qualified, that will be interesting.

McSorley33

Yeah, but we got a 38 year old “Top 4 ” Dman – baby!

dessert1111

I can’t see Benson being exposed unless two more forwards worthy of protecting are added first.

jp

You should prepare yourself, I could definitely see it happening.

Kassian was # 6 in forward TOI this playoffs. Keith went out of his way to mention him too (that was actually interesting).

(To be clear, I’d have Benson among those protected too).

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair

 Reply to OriginalPouzar

 July 14, 2021 12:15 pm

Let me get this straight.

You have said that Broberg was drafted because Klefbom was injured and Broberg was his replacement.

I have never ever stated that they drafted Broberg because Klefbom was injured.

100% never!

Sierra

Agreed.

OriginalPouzar

I think Holland will protect:

McDavid
Drai
Nuge
Yamamoto
Puljujarvi
Kassian
Archibald

JimmyV1965

I agree. Bye bye Benson. After a total of seven NHL games. Egregious.

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair

 Reply to Darth Tu

 July 14, 2021 3:01 pm

I was told (repeatedly) here that the reason Broberg was drafted was because Holland knew Klefbom was injured and would not be available.

Well…here we are with Klefbom gone and Holland trades for Keith to fill that hole which blows that theory right out of the water.

As i pointed out, this was never cited as a reason by me – not once, not ever.

Holland drafted Broberg (likely) because he valued him as the best player for the team to win Stanley Cups – the goal he is building towards. Holland values defencemen and depth in that area.

On that day Broberg was drafted it was known that he was raw and was going to take years before he was NHL ready. He is progressing on time and very well could play in the NHL this year.

He was a teenager 3 weeks ago.

dessert1111

Well, you may be right. Clearly Holland doesn’t value cap space the same way most of us do and might not consider Kassian a negative asset. I’m fine if Archibald is the last guy protected but this is not a player you should worry about losing in an expansion draft. If we miss him enough he’s a UFA in a year again.

Randle McMurphy

Bruins with a nice deal on Brandon Carlo

6 x $4.1m

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BornInAGretzkyJersey

Talk about a Sweeney-heart deal!

Harpers Hair

Sportsnet (@Sportsnet) Tweeted:
The Bruins have signed defenceman Brandon Carlo to a six-year, $24.6-million contract extension.

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https://t.co/dQwygxEHYe

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1415367760016773121?s=20

Randle McMurphy

The Washington Capitals can only protect one of Vitek Vanecek (25 years old) or Ilya Samsonov (24 years old) ahead of the expansion draft.

TheGreatBigMac

I’m confused by these type of posts, it’s only helpful to trade the player if there is a substantial dropoff in the likely next player selected. Do you have an idea of the quality of other exposed Washington players?

Litke 94

i read an article on The Athletic out of Washington about their protection plans. It sounds like they are most concerned about losing one of their goalies, and f not them, potentially Justin Schultz who will likely be left exposed.

Randle McMurphy

“If you’re praying, the names are Linus Ullmark, Adam Larsson, Ryan Getzlaf, Taylor Hall and Tomas Tatar.”

Nice Dream Team

In the mean time we’ll all sleep with one eye open, gripping the pillow tight

Randle McMurphy

Nods off.. zzz….”Ullmark, Larsson, Getzlaf, Landeskog”

Harpers Hair

Jonathan Willis (@JonathanWillis) Tweeted:
nteresting secondary cost to the Keith trade: 
– if they sign Larsson pre-expansion, they’re exposing a good forward (4-4 approach) or one of Bear/Larsson (7-3-1 approach)
– if they can sign Larsson pre-expansion but don’t, there’s a greater risk that he goes to UFA

https://twitter.com/JonathanWillis/status/1415360962979196928?s=20

Eh Team

They should ask Keith to waive his NMC. No way Seattle picks him up. They aren’t picking up cap space without being compensated for it.

Harpers Hair

Pretty risky.

Seattle just might take him if they don’t find other options attractive.

Eh Team

Seattle isn’t going to waste their cap space. If they are picking up a contract that’s underwater, they are going to want to be paid for it with other compensation.

Harpers Hair

Are you suggesting the Oilers are wasting cap space on Keith?

Eh Team

Obviously I am and everyone knows that. Everyone except Holland.

Randle McMurphy

I was surprised “waiving his NMC” wasn’t a condition of the trade.

Leads me to believe Larsson is a lock.

Scungilli Slushy

Or they trade bear for something and have someone in mind RD

jp

I think Larsson waits on signing. But it was mentioned a while back (Stauffer?) that Holland was looking at 3Cs that other teams might lose to Seattle (though he gave no suggestion that was likely in his availability).

It’s conceivable Bear could go in exchange for one of those guys.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Nolan Patrick.

Fits a need for both teams.

I’d also have time for Warren Foegele+, as CAR will need to add to their RHD stable when Hamilton signs elsewhere.

jp

Yes, either could be possibilities, though I’m in absolutely no rush to move Bear.

leadfarmer

I said this yesterday but I think its worth repeating.
Keiths Even strength goals for
This last year with Lankinen 49.5%
The year before with Crawford 55%
Not sure why it dropped to 47% with Lehner
But still pretty decent for a team that finished 12th

The real problem was the 37% goal share with Subban who is a AHL caliber goalie.
I dont like the cap hit, but this does not look like a player that is done

Randle McMurphy

Finished 12th in what?

Oh sorry…you’re talking about the 2019-2020 season. Not this past season.

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till_horcoff_is_coach

Sounds like Landeskog is seeking 8M and might hit the open market.

I haven’t worked out the opportunity costs lost on doing that but it seems that a 7.5Mx7 deal for him would be vastly preferred to the rumoured costs for Hyman. As good as Hamilton is I believe Landeskog is the only UFA available without downside so I’d rather have him… even thought it forces a bottom 6 fix that has to come from the bargain bin instead of the tier 2 prospects.

Side

Strange. I don’t know many times I have read that Landeskog would be guaranteed to stay with the Overwheling Avalanche and RNH would leave the Oilers.

“How the turntables have.. turned…”

Darth Tu

I’d written Landeskog off as an option, I couldn’t see him leaving the Avs. I still think the chance of him going anywhere else is pretty low, this smells like agent trying to squeeze a few extra dollars from Sakic.

Now Saad – is there zero chance that we could convince him to come to the Oilers? If we’re unlikely to get Hall or Landeskog he’s the next best thing out there. Could Keith do some convincing for us?

Saad-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Nuge-Drai-Yamo
Benson/Holloway-XXX-Kassian
Khaira-McLeod-Archibald

Then either we find a 3C at a reasonable dollar amount, or another left winger and move Nuge to 3C as LT suggests above.

meanashell11

I would really like Landeskog. Over Hall, over any of the forwards out there.

JimmyV1965

Landeskog is Hyman on steroids. Has been the C since forever, is mean and nasty and scores. If you’re willing to give Hyman $6 mill, you have to be willing to give Landeskog $8 mill.

Fuhrious

If the difference between Hyman and Landeskog turns out to be a couple mill, it’ll be a pretty good illustration of why the Oil needed to have money retained on a trade for a $5.5 million 2LD/3LD.

ArmchairGM

The bottom-6 fix is going to come from the farm IMO, and not right away. McLeod can be part of that, and Holloway and Lavoie. Perhaps Benson… it’ll come into focus in the next 12-18 months. Holland will limp along with Shore types for now.

Jethro Tull

I’ve been posting a lot about how Koskinen’s contract is untradeable, my phone dings, cover screen notification reads, “The Oilers trade Goalten..”

I’m like, “furk. Time to eat crow.” Click on the notification. “The Oilers trade Goaltender Dylan Wells.”

I’m both happy and disappointed at the same time.

JOFA

Truth spoken by Mr. McCurdy!

Ryan

What did he say?

JOFA

I would obviously be paraphrasing Ryan. The general idea was that he was a little flabbergasted by the Keith trade; and Kenny’s propensity to throw away draft picks “like rice at a wedding” since he arrived. 😃

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Litke 94

The site is working much better now, thank you for getting a fix in guys!

With Hyman definitely set to hit the market according to LeBrun, and the word out of the Oilers camp is that this is a player the team “covets”, odds are high that he ends up here for sure. He is used to playing in Canada, he obviously likes and can play with superstars, and Holland wants exactly his player type.

At this point, I would be surprised if he isn’t an Oiler. And that will likely be a gross overpay. I love the player, I am certain we are all going to hate the price.

Ryan

Things are holding on for now, but we might need to find a new web host.

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Randle McMurphy

It’s like Captain Kirk rescued his good friend Montgomery Scott by purchasing some dilithium crystals.

defmn

Thank you.

Randle McMurphy

More broadband, in the middle of the summer …….. only in Edmonton 🙂

Side

Broad Band would be a great name for an all female rock group.

Sierra

Thanks LT, and Ryan.
👍

Harpers Hair

Edmonton Oilers (@EdmontonOilers) Tweeted:
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f501.svg TRADE https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f501.svg 

The #Oilers have traded goaltender Dylan Wells to Carolina in exchange for future considerations.

#LetsGoOilers https://t.co/GhPhw6K3Zv

https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1415344325345480704?s=20

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Michael Smith (@MSmithCanes) Tweeted:
The #Canes have acquired goaltender Dylan Wells from the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for future considerations.

Wells is an RFA and, if tendered his qualifying offer in the next week, would meet exposure requirements for the Expansion Draft.

https://twitter.com/MSmithCanes/status/1415344119807938562?s=20

dessert1111

Saw the trade and thought this had to be part of it. Couldn’t have gotten a pick? Playing nice after the goalie fiasco?

Holland seems like a really nice man.

OriginalPouzar

A pick? No chance – this player was not going to be qualified and was going to be a UFA.

dessert1111

Carolina wants him because he qualifies for the expansion draft, from what I gather – why wouldn’t Holland get something tangible from a GM that cratered his goaltending for the first month of the year? If Carolina is actually going to give him a shot and this is Holland doing Wells a solid after not playing him in a game last year, then that’s fine by me.

OriginalPouzar

Can’t imagine Carolina would have given up anything tangible to acquire wells to meet the expansion draft exposure requirement – there are likely many similar goalies toiling in team’s minor league systems – they would have just gone somewhere else.

Randle McMurphy

Future considerations like, “we promise not to poach your backup goalie if there’s ever another covid crisis??”

defmn

Kurt being inegmatic.

The #Oilers have traded goaltender Dylan Wells to Carolina in exchange for future considerations.

Kurt Leavins
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These things never happen for “no” reason…

JOFA

Al is obviously trying to motivate #29 this offseason 😉

Dee Dee

The Oilers traded for a 2nd pairing defenceman that will be paid $1.8 Million over the next two years.

And if it is demonstrated that he got too old and can’t play anymore he can retire at the end of next season and the Oilers will gain $9 Million in cap space.

McSorley33

If Keith retires – that leaves your GM having traded a 3rd round AND an Elite skating 24 year old Defencemen – for 180 days of Duncan Ketih.

DevilsLettuce

Caleb Jones is not anything close to being elite.

jp

It’s not at all clear Chicago will even protect him.

OriginalPouzar

McSorley33

 Reply to Dee Dee

 July 14, 2021 1:16 pm

If Keith retires – that leaves your GM having traded a 3rd round AND an Elite skating 24 year old Defencemen – for 180 days of Duncan Ketih.

The $3.4 cap benefit (in addition to the $5.5M off the cap) would make that an amazing outcome.

Yes, Jones is elite skating….. he is still a 6-7 d-man in the NHL and very likely left unprotected in the expansion draft. Don’t get me wrong, I do value Caleb Jones but that description was intentionally misleading on the player’s NHL abilities as a whole.

McSorley33

Yep, with possible upside to being more than a 6.

People defending the trade based based on Keith retiring – miss just just how bad the deal then becomes.

180 days of Keith.

OriginalPouzar

Possible upside to be more than a 6.

As of now, not more than a 6 and not able to fill the hole that Keith will be asked to.

Yes, I think Keith will perform better this season than Caleb Jones did last season and, yes, I’ve read all the stats (along with the ones that say Seth Jones is a poor d-man).

Noone is defending the trade based on Keith retiring but, its a point of note, its not totally out of the question and it would create $9M in cap space for 2022/23 so, yes, I’ll take 180 days of Keith.

ArmchairGM

One inconsistency I see here (not saying Holland wouldn’t do it, just that it doesn’t compute): trading assets for Keith at full cap hit for his ‘proven playoff leadership’ and then signing Tatar to play in the top-6, who was healthy scratched for most of Montreal’s playoff run and most of Vegas’ 2018 run.

He’s now missed 29 of his teams’ last 52 playoff games and scored just 23, 3-2-5 when he did play.

Elgin R

I am with you and am not on the Tatar train. I know his regular season stats are really good. Oilers making the playoffs as the 1st or 2nd seed are both reasonable projections even without Tatar. What the team needs is guys who will play hard in the playoffs and that is not what Tatar brings or he would not have been scratched for young players and rookies.

tavvey tune

“When I was with Detroit, Tomas Tatar scored 110 goals in 5 years for Detroit when I was with Detroit. That’s right in the NHL Guide and Record Book.”

OriginalPouzar

tavvey tune

 Reply to ArmchairGM

 July 14, 2021 10:49 am

“When I was with Detroit, Tomas Tatar scored 110 goals in 5 years for Detroit when I was with Detroit. That’s right in the NHL Guide and Record Book.”

Top drawer post – love it.

Jethro Tull

“Let the fools have their tartar sauce”

C. Montgomery Burns

McSorley33