In the most recent seven games by the Edmonton Oilers, two forwards have been without a point at five-on-five. Klim Kostin has played in all seven and has nary a crooked number in 80 minutes. Jesse Puljujarvi has played in four games, a total of 40 minutes and is also without a point.
For coach Jay Woodcroft, consistent scoring, and outscoring, is key to five-on-five success. It’s like Craig MacTavish said, it’s about what you deliver and what you leave. In the last 15 games, who is delivering at five-on-five?
THE ATHLETIC!
- New Lowetide: Connor McDavid’s top Oilers linemates and what it could mean for trade plans
- DNB: Edmonton Oilers GM Ken Holland NHL trade deadline Q&A
- Lowetide: Three ways the Oilers could improve without a big trade deadline deal
- Lowetide: How the Oilers finally found the key to five-on-five outscoring
- DNB: With Kailer Yamamoto nearing a return, which Oilers could be salary-cap casualties?
- Lowetide: Oilers prospect Raphael Lavoie turns a corner, now NHL-ready
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- New DNB: How Oilers’ Stuart Skinner learned to be a pro — and an NHL All-Star
- Lowetide: Is Edmonton Oilers coach Jay Woodcroft saving another season?
- DNB: Why Ryan Nugent-Hopkins matters more to the Oilers now than ever before
- Lowetide: Edmonton Oilers ride high-flying offence to strong January finish
- DNB: Are the Oilers actually good again or are they simply benefitting from an easy schedule?
- Lowetide: Are the Oilers getting enough out of their AHL prospect pipeline?
- DNB: Oilers give a third-string university goalie the experience of his lifetime
- Lowetide: Oilers rookies Philip Broberg, Dylan Holloway arriving right on time
- DNB: Oilers trade target: Scouting Blue Jackets defenceman Vladislav Gavrikov
- Lowetide: 3 trades that could help the Oilers this season and beyond
- New DNB: Oilers’ Zach Hyman subscriber Q&A
- Lowetide: The 5 biggest reasons for Edmonton Oilers’ recent turnaround
- DNB: What I’m hearing on Oilers’ trade deadline plans
- Lowetide: Is Oilers’ Vincent Desharnais an NHL defenceman?
- DNB: Oilers must act at the trade deadline
- Lowetide: Oilers midseason review of 2022-23 reasonable expectations
- Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects, winter 2022
WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY
- On the road to: DET, PHI, OTT, MTL (Expected 3-1-0) (Actual 1-0-1)
- At home to: DET, NYR (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
- On the road to: COL (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
- At home to: PHI (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
- On the road to: PIT, CBJ (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
- At home to: BOS (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
- February expected result: 6-3-2, 14 points in 11 games
- February actual result: 1-0-1, 3 points in two games
- January actual result: 8-2-2, 18 points in 12 games
- December results: 7-6-2, 16 points in 15 games
- November results: 7-7-0, 14 points in 14 games
- October results: 6-3-0, 12 points in 9 games
- Oilers in 2022-23: 29-18-5, 63 points in 52 games
The Oilers are second in the Pacific Division based on points-perccentage and the tie-breaker with the Seattle Kraken. An 8-0-2 run has the team looking like a contender for the division title, with a win over the Ottawa Senators (5-4-1 in their last 10) representing the latest chance for Edmonton to push even with the Vegas Golden Knights. A win today would give Edmonton 65 points in 53 games, one point behind the VGK with both teams playing the same number of games.
OILERS OUTSCORING LAST 15 GAMES (FORWARDS)
This isn’t the way we usually look at players, but it does offer some insight into reasons why the coaches value players like Derek Ryan and Mattias Janmark more than fans. If you check out the GA-60 totals, both veterans are excellent at the what you leave portion of the game. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Zach Hyman are doing well in this window while playing against elite competition more than 25 percent of their overall five-on-five minutes. By the way, the TOI versus elites is ordinarily higher, but Edmonton hasn’t played against elite competition much in the last 15 games.
At the other end of the scale, we see Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl and Evander Kane with fairly large what you leave numbers. Kane’s return from injury offers some cover, he’s coming back from a long layoff. For 97 and 29, the GA-60 are less than ideal.
Edmonton is 9-3-3 in those 15 games, so let’s not go crazy, but if the Oilers plan a deep run what you leave is important, now and later.
OILERS OUTSCORING LAST 15 GAMES (DEFENSE)
Darnell Nurse conversations usually disintegrate as they begin, but his performance over these games (considering the quality of opposition) is impressive. Cody Ceci plays even more difficult competition, and has been hanging in but not thriving. I would think the coaching staff will ease that burden with one of Bouchard or Barrie (I think Bouchard is the better choice). Brett Kulak plays the third most against elites (as a percentage of overall) and looks good in GA-60. Broberg, Bouchard and Desharnais are posting quality totals versus the soft parade.
TRADE LISTS
The trade lists are being reduced by about a trade a week, but the top of these lists are populated with people we’ve discussed. Here’s my list, I’ve made one addition.
- LD Jakob Chychrun, Arizona Coyotes. I’d do it unless the ask includes Philip Broberg. If it’s the first-round pick in 2023, plus say Xavier Bourgault, I’d do it. Lots of chatter Chychrun is heading to Boston or the Kings, both destinations make sense.
- LD Jake McCabe, Chicago Blackhawks. He’s available, under control, doesn’t cost the moon and can help the Oilers. If the Oilers are going deep, eight blue will see action plenty through the postseason. McCabe is a strong option.
- RW Ivan Barbashev, St. Louis Blues. He can play RW and the Oilers need some help there now. Skilled, versatile, playing some of the best hockey of his career.
- RC Nick Bjugstad, Arizona Coyotes. He’s not the first guy I’d deal for on this list, but in some ways he is the best fit for Edmonton.
- LC Lars Eller, Washington Capitals. The veteran isn’t going to deliver as much offensively as he has in the past, but he’s a smart two-way pivot who has utility.
- RW Taylor Raddysh, Chicago Blackhawks. Edmonton’s RW depth chart with everyone healthy is Hyman, Yamamoto, Kostin, Ryan, with Jesse Puljujarvi waived and traded or in the minors. The injury worry surrounding Yamamoto is enough to motivate Ken Holland to add a useful player. I think Raddysh gives the team a few things and he’s scored well in his first big NHL chance. No one but me pays attention to rel numbers anymore, but Raddysh has good ones five-on-five.
CONDORS LAST NIGHT
Xavier Bourgault didn’t score last night but he was Bakersfield’s best player to my eye. He’s starting to remind me of Dylan Holloway in his Bakersfield games: Good speed and pursuit, touches the puck many more times than the average rookie and scores fewer goals than one would expect based on draft pedigree. I like him a lot, he plays in all game states and is productive (4-3-7 PP, 2-0-2 PK and 4-8-12 EV). Those points at even strength are going to be a worry, same as Holloway. He is 24-19 (56 percent) even-strength goals, terrific numbers for a rookie.
I think Noah Philp, Alex Peters and Phil Kemp also played well.
NEW for The Athletic: Will Oilers prospect Phil Kemp have an NHL career? He is a shutdown blue playing in an era era that values speed, quick retrieval and transition.
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I would really really like to see Phil Kemp play some NHL games. I have liked him for a long time.
The Oilers are going to need value contracts ton kingdom come and he is a quality AHL blue imo. It’ll be fun to see if it happens.
Never know. Blue line injuries during postseason could necessitate a Matt Greene type trial by fire.
I thought he was the best Condor Dman last night.
I did too.
I hope he does but I’m not certain his boots will allow it.
At some point he’ll get a few games and even that is something for a 7th rounder.
That was the criticism of Desharnais, too. Holland gives these guys a couple of extra years, seems it makes a difference at times.
Can’t wait for all this sell the farm trade talk to end.
It’s more like borrow against the farm’s future income to buy more productive equipment today…
And then hoping there is not a drought
At least its not the ol’ “get the band back together” crap. Taylor Hall is… not as productive.
Summarizing!
Joel Määttä had himself a night with a goal and two assists (a point per umlaut!) and continued his mastery on the dot, going 17-for-25 (68.0%).
Lachance scored his 25th of the season in an OT loss.
Schaefer collected an apple in Seattle’s win.
Chiasson, Münzenberger and Brind’Amour (10-for-18, 55.6 FO%) were all held pointless.
Mazura was once again scratched tonight, while Wanner has been suspended indefinitely (as noted below).
LAK just back from a 10 day break.
Leading Pittsburgh 4-0 halfway through the second period.
Not dead yet.
Kings now up 5-0 in the second.
Kempe with a natural hat trick.
Kopitar with 3 assists.
You need to move off of the Kings train, and hop on the Krakken train.
Why would anyone hop on one train when appreciating the excellence of many is more rewarding?
Integrity?
You realize this is an Oilers blog, right, DSF? Vast majority of fans cheer for 1 team, and yes, appreciate other teams and players. Many also cheer against rivals. But not to the sociopathic point of spending countless hours trolling the website of a kind and intelligent man who should be respected and appreciated.
And spare us the lecture on one trick ponies, please and thanks? You have literally one trick, and it’s kind of pathetic.
It’s actually fanaticism
It’s more like the Aesops Fable:
Those who claim many friends often have no friends.
A little tribalism isn’t a bad thing.
You can do both.
Besides, you already admitted hopping onto the Rangers train.
So much for the “it’s a question of how many cups the Avs will win now” train.
Kempe with his 4th in a row.
Kings lead 6-0.
Good, Kempe was a real drag on the fantasy hockey team for the first 30 or so games, about time he started rewarding those who were patient with him.
Also, who in their right mind would think that either of the 5 contending teams in the Pacific were dead?
6-0 final.
Griffith with the zone entry, cuts across the line and dishes to a streaking Benson, rips one, goalie can’t handle it, Philp drives the net and buries the rebound for the 6-1 lead early in the 3rd.
Philp has taken over from Lavoie as the “real prospect” on a heater.
Philp does ALOT of things right out there and the question is if he’ll be able to score at all at the highest level. That’s 10 goals for him.
Philp with a nice play at the left point pressuring on the PK, causes the turnover, a soft bank up the side boards to an activating Hamblin who goes in all alone and buries the 5-1 goal with 3 minutes to go in the third.
Alex Peters with a long clear out of the defensive zone – Erickson Ek (the goalie) comes out to play it around the circles, his clearing pass bounces off the Condor attacker and the easiest empty net goal of all time is put him by Justin Bailey
If Peters keeps up his play he just might be offered an NHL deal from the Oilers. He has shown a lot of good things.
I’ve been thinking the same thing over the last little bit. He’s been very good and his goal differential shines (I believe – going to eye).
If Karlsson could happen. Would anyone be willing to include Bouchard?
I know we all see the future for him. But he is going to get $5 mill plus next year if not more. Would hate giving him up but if you get Karlsson around $6 mill or less for 4 years you added a top pairing dman who is the best Offensive D in the league. He is top 10 easy. Not two way but a true star.
Also, would you be good with Yamamoto as well? Just wondering since he has a $3 mill cap hit next year .
1st, Bouchard and Yamamoto (3 first rounders).
Would anyone do that?
SJS wouldn’t.
Yamamoto has lost his cachet and Bouchard is barely hanging on.
Will he get 5 million? He’s on pace for 28 points this year, has been a bit up and down, and probably won’t get primo powerplay minutes, particularly if Karlsson is brought in.
I would hold Bouchard. He’s figuring it out.
No he isn’t…28 points, if achieved, is dreadful for a top 10 pick of an offensive defenseman.
Noah Dobson, picked two spots later already has 32 points this season and is on pace for 50+.
Bouchard should go in any Karlsson trade.
Bouchard is the replacement if they land EK. 4 years sounds about right for development for him. Pay will have to wait. He doesn’t deserve much anyway until he can be reliable defensively
Any good GM would keep him low because it’s justified. I have little trust Holland won’t overpay him
Bouchard would be going on 28 years old at that point.
I doubt he or his agent would be content to see his prime earning years pissed away.
Pick a damn lane at least.
My lane is move Bouchard before the rest of the league is convinced what a disappointment he is.
That has nothing to do with how the player and his agent react to him being stifled.
They won’t like it even if it is deserved.
Ah.
So your lane is a continuation of your Rafferty > Bouchard foolishness.
Carry on then.
Dobson has scored over 40% of his points on the power play, spending 3 and half minutes a night on the 1st unit power play. PPP count just as any other do and Dobson is playing well. But context is important in these conversations. Bouchard has had an up and down season but your steadfast commitment to disparaging Oilers players on an Oilers blog is exhausting and frankly kind of pathetic.
Bouchard is not going to be anywhere near $5MM next season.
First you give Bouch an ultimatum…sign this reasonable 3x$2.5M with a handshake NTC or we’re seriously shopping you at the deadline. If he balks, include him in the EK trade…if he signs, move Barrie in his place.
Honestly with EK and Ceci locked in for 5 / 3 playoff runs #3RD becomes a low priority. Bouch if he signs a low bridge, Benning acquired in the EK deal, Barrie for one more year if we move Bouch…Desharnais if he continues to improve…there’s flexibility there.
Yamo at $3M is almost break-even value…I would trade him for a 7th right now just to clear cap space for an EK deal.
I don’t think Bouch moves the needle very much for SJ, they would probably sign on the dotted line if we offered Bouch and 2 1sts plus a B prospect like Lavoie for EK $3M retained. The real question is can we get Buff, Anaheim or Arizona to take another $4M for another 2 1sts.
EK @ $4M for 5 playoff runs at age 32-36 for Bouch, Lavoie, and our next 4 1st round picks? It’s a gamble, it’s win-now…but EK likely gives us another 2-3 playoff victories per year and pushes us to the promised land.
Hard to see Bouchard getting a 5 million dollar contract unless his play really ramps up. I’m guessing he gets a 2 year bridge deal at 3 million.
If we are trading for Karlsson I’d be willing to part with him if San Jose takes Foegele and Yamamoto as well. San Jose would have to retain a lot of money to make that work though. Edmonton would have to add at least 2 first rounders if they expect San Jose to eat 50 percent.
I’d much rather move Barrie because a) it makes the cap work better this year, and b) Bouchard obviously has the higher upside. I just don’t see why San Jose would want Barrie though.
This.
Because they need some decent players and he’s off the books in 1
No, I hang on to Bouch, he is part of the future. He will likely be given a much lower contract than you think.
Agree – he hasn’t been better than Kulak. Why would he get paid more?
Schaefer picks up an apple as Seattle doubles their lead in the 2nd.
Holland’s contracts worry me
Barrie did a 1 year 3.75 with Holland and then got a raise to 4.5 x 3 after finding no takers as a UFA that would pay him in 2021. Previous season
20-21
reg 8 40 48 +4
Playoffs 0 1 1 +1
Toews did his deal in 2020 at 4.1
20-21
reg 9 22 31 +29
Playoffs 1 5 6 +10
Barrie is 3 years older and was starting to bounce teams, had little league wide interest we heard. I fail to see how Holland thought this a good deal for his team. Yes that year Barrie had more points, but was not the same impact as a player as Toews
Also the impact of Covid was more known and cap implications. No way he should have got more than Toews, and that’s without even looking at EV scoring. They also had been unexpectedly bounced in the playoffs. Barrie got 1 apple. What’s the reward for?
The fact that Toews was an RFA could have factored into the negotiations in his salary. The Islanders qualified him at $1.4 million but didn’t want to go through arbitration so they traded him to the Avalanche. Toews choice coming off his $1.4 million contract was to see what he could get out of the arbitrator for 1 season (or maybe 2), or a take the longer term deal the Avalanche were offering. Had Toews gone to arbitration and taken a 1 year deal in 2020, he’d very likely have gotten paid a much bigger salary signing a new deal at the time the Oilers re-upped Barrie in 2021. That Toews based on his 20-21 performance was now a bargain on the contract he signed in 2020, indicates that his contract was probably not the right comparable for what Barrie might be worth as an UFA in 2021.
And in the Winnipeg series, while only 1 assist, he was the Oilers most consistent defenseman. Despite that, plan A was that he wouldn’t be an Oiler save for Larsson leaving when he did.
Good point about RFA status. For me I don’t care. GMs aren’t there to make sure agents and players get everything they want. Especially when you have elite players to play with
I appreciate your response, but I don’t buy that a guy coming off 700K / year with 28 points gets more than 4.1M or even that. Barrie may have been the Oilers best D that series, but it isn’t much different than being the best pilot on the Titanic
Thanks Tyson here’s 3.75 again. Unless you want what it is – capped out, being tied down to all of your core because of no movement clauses, overpaying enough players, making the type of ‘putting you over the top’ deals impossible
Your missing the point. Toews signed his $4.1 million deal with Sakic in October 2020 after his 28 point campaign in 19-20 with the Islanders. The comparison for Barrie is not what the arbitrator would have given Toews in 2020, if Sakic hadn’t given him the the longer deal. The comparison is what would Toews have commanded for a new contract in July 2021 following his 31 point in 53 games + 29, playing 25 minutes a night season if he hadn’t signed the deal in 2020 and instead had gone to arbitration to set the contract for that one season. That contract likely would have been well in excess of what he was being paid and probably well above the contract Barrie got from the Oilers.
You started off by comparing Barrie’s 20-21 season to Toews 20-21 season, but used a contract that Toews signed at the end of the prior season to claim Barrie is overpaid when if fact Toews had substantially outperformed his contract in 2020-21.
Barrie signed his second contract with the oilers on July 28, 2021 after scoring 48 points in 56 games (0.86 points per game) in the previous season. $4.5 x 3 years.
Toews signed his contract with the Avs on Oct 27, 2020 after scoring 28 points in 68 games with NYI (0.41 points per game) He had played 2 years in the NHL. $4.1 x 5 years.
So Holland gave a bit more money for less years to a more established Barrie who had significantly more points per game than Toews. It was also a year after Toews signed his contract.
And Barrie played 7 years with Colorado and 1 year with the Leafs. I’m not sure how that would be considered “bouncing around”.
If you are going to criticize Holland for something, maybe come up with some facts that are actually true to prove your point.
His drafting team wanted to move on so traded him. The Leafs didn’t want to keep him. These are two stats teams. He only got a one year from Holland. He couldn’t find a deal as a UFA so came back so reports said. This is true, even if you don’t like my choice of words. Not exactly stable
If your going to throw down as the arbiter of truth and knowledge, you should have at least got Toews contract length right
My point was that Toews was already a better overall player than Barrie. Scoring is a part of the story and also needs context, who you play with, out scoring, EV points. The team that first moved on from Barrie paid Toews for his quality. Sakic was right in his assessment it turns out.
That Barrie was signed well into Covid and cap uncertainty is a huge reason that he should not have got more from a smart GM. Paying players that need sheltering is a fool‘s errand
Toews signed coming off an RFA-expiry deal – that’s not comparable.
Why? It seems the Bruins sign players for what they want to pay and the players accept it. Or move them on or walk away
Because many GMs, almost all of whom have teams with no hope of winning a Cup partly because they aren’t good enough managers, can’t get value deals doesn’t mean it’s a norm, requirement or has to be done
The Isles didn’t want to pay Toews. It would have been for less than Sakic did (28 points doesn’t take you from 700K to over 4.1M)
Holland wasn’t obligated to pay Barrie any specific amount. Holland is reaping now as he tries to improve his D, because his second highest paid D plays 4th TOI against elites and is weak defensively
So the Bruins “wanted to pay” Brandon Carlo over $4MM and McAvoy $9.5MM?
Barrie has been full value for his contract after being a value deal, major value deal, on his prior.
I’m not sure you have as much information on the market for Barrie on the date he re-signed as you think you do – unless you can express how you know that no other team wanted to sign him.
Barrie got a contract that seemed reasonable based on his status and prior perfjoamcne and has lived up to it notwithstanding the one stat you cherry picked.
Condors take advantage of a broken stick and a poor clear (good keep by Kaldis) and Griffith finds Hamblin driving the slot who buries it for a 3-1 lead early in the 2nd.
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Kesselring with an amazing play at the offensive blue – right to the boards, spins to get separation and dishes over to Alex Peters who walks in to the high slot and buries it.
2-1 Condors
Tulio with a solid entry but shot blocked in the slot, Esposito grabs the loose puck, out to an activating Kesselring who snaps one through a screen and in.
His 13th.
1-1
Lavoie given the second assist – maybe he touched in the scum before Espo dug it out.
Ryan Hamilton, scout for the Sharks, is at the Condors/Gulls game in Bakersfield ….
The basis of a Karlsson deal is Karlsson for Bouchard and a 1st. Then San Jose has to take players to make the money work.
So Barrie in the deal, or Barrie dealt to a 3rd team.
Then you keep the Jesse, and add the guys who have contracts next year. i.e. Foegele and Yamamoto.
And maybe one gets the Sharks to add Benning.
Karlsson (with some retention) and Benning for Bouchard, Foegele, Yamamoto, and a 1st
Barrie to Montreal for Josh Anderson (50% retained).
Kane McDavid Hyman
McLeod Draisaitl Anderson
Kostin Nugent-Hopkins Janmark
Holloway Ryan Puljujarvi
Shore
Nurse Ceci
Kulak Karlsson
Broberg Desharnais
Benning
Then one still goes looking for a depth D and a depth forward at the deadline.
I find it funny that every trade you propose involves Barrie being moved for some superfluous reason or other.
Mostly unrelated, but I also find it amazing that Kassian was still an Oiler only 8 months ago.
Also, why Anderson all the time!?!
I’m leaning back in my chair thinking we’re talking about Karlsson and almost fall out of it when I see Albatross, er, Anderson.
He’s not a great puck mover or defender at evens. He’s not a great skater for an undersized D. He doesn’t have a great stick. He’s not a dangerous shooter on PP.
He makes tons of mistakes defensively. He gets beat off the boards. He is good at own goal deflections. He’s not good at defending entries or in zone by many metrics. Two stats interested teams have moved on recently. He didn’t get much interest reportedly as a UFA last contract
That he’s not the worst this year in goal share on the Oilers is hardly a feather in his cap, to many. That he can’t play top pair better than Ceci and gets 4.5M hurts. Second highest paid D, this year and last 4th in TOI against elites according to P IQ
Because points get paid instead of overall contributions in the NHL, he’s too expensive for what he does, if your not Kenny
Under 2M as a PP specialist, if you have an all round physical partner for him, sure. It doesn’t work that way though
My goodness.
Barrie’s had a 52% or better GF% all 3 of his years as an Oiler. He’s had a positive GF% in 8 of his 10 years as a regular. He’s a nearly 60% GF player in his playoff career (and 64% GF in his 2 playoff seasons with the Oilers, #1 among all Oiler players).
He’s the #7 scoring defenseman over the past 10 seasons. He’s tied with TJ Oshie as the #64 scoring NHLer overall in that time.
But sure, Holland should have signed him as a UFA for under $2M.
According to the Cult of Hockey detailed scoring chance assessments, his major mistakes per 15 on scoring chances against is on par with Nurse and Ceci and better than Kulak and Bouchard, the 4 other defenders who have played regularly all season and slightly behind Broberg and Desharnais in a small sample size against weaker competition.
https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/ken-hollands-magic-trick-in-the-blink-of-an-eye-hes-transformed-the-edmonton-oilers
Generational D getting traded at the deadline doesn’t happen often. Colorado acquired Bourque and Blake en route to winning the Cup in 2001 (Bourque in 2000, Blake in 2001).
This Oilers’ D-corps is better than that Avs one was before they made those trades.
Adding Karlsson puts this roster over the top, IMO. It’s a deal you gotta make.
Not quite Bourque and Blake, but Holland did make deadline trades for Chelios and Schneider (1999 and 2003).
Schneider managed to fall between Cups, arriving in 03 and leaving the Wings before the 07-08 season. Chelios was a Wing for 10 seasons though, and won 2 Cups there (02 and 08).
I won’t say you gotta make a Karlsson deal since there would have to be a lot of money retained, but Karlsson would be that kind of add. And based on his own history, Ken Holland is a likely as anyone to make that kind of deal.
Yup, those are good ones, forgot about them. Murphy is another guy Holland brought in, but he was older IIRC, not quite on the same level as the aforementioned at that stage of his career.
I don’t think you *have* to, but it’s a generational player and really a generational opportunity where, as a city and team, you already have two generational players.
Do it.
Holland didn’t bring Murphy in, Bowman did (Bowman shared GM duties with Devellano but Bowman made final player personnel decisions). Holland was assistant GM and named GM in the summer of ’97 after Detroit won the cup. Murphy was ~35 when he got traded to Detroit at the deadline in the spring of 97. He immediately became Lidstrom’s partner on the first pair and recorded 16 points in 20 games to help Detroit win the cup that season.
Murphy went on to play over 300 games with Detroit winning the cup with them again in ’98 and most of those games he continued as Lidstrom’s partner. He also finished 6th in Norris votes in 98 and 11th in 99 (when he was still playing 24 minutes per game at 37). Interestingly Bowman has said he originally didn’t really want Murphy when Toronto was trying to dump him, (he got him for future considerations) but then realized what a good fit he would be with Lidstrom.
I was going to mention Holland wasn’t the one who traded for Murphy, but thank you for adding it this additional detail.
I don’t buy for a second that Yamamoto is safe. He’s a good player but IMO in the same bucket as Foegele, Puljujarvi, Barrie, and even Ceci, as guys that could get moved in the right deal (i.e. Karlsson coming back).
Maybe you do what you have to do to get Karlsson, and then turn around and make a deal for Barbashev with St. Louis retaining. There’s your final top 6 winger.
If teams aren’t worried about his health he’s the best chip having scored 20 last year. I also think being a west coast US guy means something to west coast US teams for marketing
Same lineup for the Condors (no Niemo or Savoie) with Rodrigue finally getting a start.
Adding Karlsson is possible but you absolutely need to move out contracts that run through next year. That means Barrie, Foegle and Yamo plus $3 million in retension. Add a pick or a young guy from the farm not named Borgault. It’s a monster contract you are taking off SJS hands so the return is obviously less than the talent value.
And if it means adding a player of Karlsson’s caliber, those are the types of players you leave behind. If Holland can pull this off without dealing a high end prospect, that’ll be something.
I do think it’ll be 3 first rounders plus Bourgault plus contracts out to make it work. We have to remember that these are fake first round draft picks we are sending away. Would be thrilled to hang onto Bourgault.
A Karlsson contract with $3 million retention is less than Nurse and the talent level is not comparable nor is the long term risk.
Not sure why Bourgault would be a no go zone.
Agree 100%.
Another thing is, some of these guys are going to be blocked anyways. RW is thinner but it looks unlikely at this point (based on AHL production) that Bourgault will challenge for a top 6 spot next season.
Going forward, it’s also extremely unlikely that Bourgault gets any powerplay time. Maybe some second unit time two years from now.
I make that trade all day.
Yep.
Time is now.
Oilers need to be in WIN now mode.
29 and 97 won’t resign for a second contract, unless a cup is won, and that’s not even a guarantee.
I couldn’t imagine being past 25 and being the best at my craft – “yea I guess I’ll live my entire NHL career as an athlete in Edmonton”.
99, 17, 11, 77, 31, 35, 4 had a hard time making it to 10
Edmonton didn’t have the money to pay the OBC. Sather traded them too teams he knew would give them a big payday. This is what loyalty was back in the old days. Sather is a legend that built the greatest team in the world that includes the stacked CCCP team.
Doesn’t get much more speculative then that second sentence.
Its a possibility but its far from a factual statement.
I would add that bringing in Karlsson will elevate Nurse.
I like Darnell, I recognize what some people don’t like in his game, but it is also true that he has never had a legit first pair guy out there with him.
Yes.
This would allow him to focus on what he is actually good at while Karlsson carries the mail.
This robs the Oilers off all their non-33 year old NHL forwards.. Who the hell is playing in your bottom six?
A smart GM would laugh at this proposal.
It makes the team worse. Clearly and obviously.
Go get Karlsson!
He’s a substantial upgrade on RHD. Ceci isn’t the guy for a top pair, IMO, and of course neither is Barrie. I do think Bouchard will get there as a top pairing D, but it’s not this season. The cap gymnastics make this deal easier to do from a value standpoint, i.e. without Broberg or Holloway out the door.
Acquiring Karlsson is your trade deadline pickup for the next four years. I would part with the three first round draft picks in a heart beat (these will be borderline second round picks).
This intersection of adding an elite player with term and affordability in terms of asking price will not happen again. No paying stiff prices for guys like Gavrikov who aren’t going to be measurably better than the guys they might replace. No AA type deal, either, please.
With Karlsson, you have an excellent shot at the Cup.
Your cheap players are Holloway, Broberg, Bourgault (if not traded), Schaefer, Tulio, Lavoie, Kemp, Desharnais, etc during the run. Not all will turn out, but that’s plenty enough depth-wise.
Tyson Barrie has 12 even strength points this year. Erik Karlsson has 52. Tyson Barrie plays in a team with four forwards on pace for 100 points. Erik Karlsson doesn’t have any teammates on a point per game pace.
Absolutely. Karlsson is a killer and the EV point production, particularly in the context of the team he’s playing on, is a good way of putting an exclamation mark on it.
Can you imagine how many PP points he would have if he was an Oiler?
The best ever powerplay unit gets better.
It’s a crazy opportunity.
Määttä picks up a helper as Vermont gets on the board in the third frame.
He then adds a goal to tie the game as Vermont scored thrice in 2:40, only to surrender the lead again.
I’m no fan of nested comments
San Jose can’t put garbage on the ice. Few teams have the luxury of guaranteed fan support
If they trade Karlsson and Meier, they need a D like Barrie. And he comes off after next season. I don’t know what Rosy wants, but it doesn’t seem unreasonable that they’d take him
I am not sure Kenny has the make up to do it though. He seems to me to be paternalistic toward the established players
Jeff Marek just threw cold water on the Chychrun to Edmonton idea. Suggesting that when reaching out to the team, the Oilers said they are not interested…. This lines up with the report earlier in the season that Holland and the scouting staff were not looking at Chychrun. Freidman also stated that Oilers are looking for puck moving defender.
Marek also ruled out the Leafs. We’re back to the Kings.
Maybe just a clever ploy by Bill to get a deal done.
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1624589038614200323
Bruins maybe?
Treenasoil posted a pic of Ivan Barbashev last night. Not the first time she has alluded to him this calendar year…
Stauffer said the other day that Barbashev has been offered to the Oilers in the past. Believes he’s the next most likely player out of St. Loo.
Colorado with a huge win in Florida.
SOG 50-44
Entertaining to say the least.
MacKinnon 2G 1A
I imagine they weren’t too happy after the spanking
I’m sure
Avs pot an empty-netter to keep pace with the Oilers.
Lachance opens the scoring on the PP in period 1 for his 25th tally of the season.
3 more!!!!
Tkachuk has over twice as many points 72 as the 29 year-old Huberdeau who’s at 35 points and will soon to be making 10.5 million for 8 years. The Tkachuk Clan sure bent over Treliving who thought he was so smart low-balling his best players.
I can see Treliving pitching for Meier.
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My sense is the Oilers are not this far down the path on any Chychrun talks. Any sense of urgency happening here doesn’t involve a deal with them.
This deal just makes too much sense for the Leafs. A similar-styled Dman out of their line-up possibly very long term… a replacement for less money than the LTIR space. It’s going to cost them but they have to be all-in.
Question is, did they convince the Yotes to take salary back?
LA with Byfield going the other way.
Hoping that Holland is only in on Chychrun to ensure a Leaf overpay…
lol… that would be a sneaky way to disrupt both their cap and team chemistry!
From the Yotes PR Team:
ROSTER UPDATE: Coyotes D Jakob Chychrun is a healthy scratch tonight versus the St. Louis Blues due to trade related reasons. F Liam O’Brien is day to day with an upper body injury. Defensemen Victor Soderstrom & Dysin Mayo have been recalled from the Tucson Roadrunners (AHL).
Will be very interesting to see what the return is in the end.
DNB doesn’t think it’s Oilers or LA.
https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1624579535877582849
Interesting Garrioch thinks Leafs/Oilers, while Richaug and DNB saying NOT Oilers.
We will see.
Karlsson stuff too, interesting times.
(busy day, just beginning to catch up on all the news).
1 point out of the division lead…
5 points out of the conference lead with a game in hand…
after a shaky start, the team is looking like a contender as expected.
Spend like a drunken sailor Holland. No Ragrets.
I remember asking who was the player who body slammed the Red Wings player down to the ice and was told it was Nurse.
Then I knew it was another player altogether making two Oilers body slamming Red Wings onto the ice, while 3 or 4 of them went after Kane and got nowhere for their efforts.
More against the Senators showing the toughness that’s been sneaky brought up to make the team a potential playoff juggernaut. Kane,
Add: RNH, Hyman all currently starring for the team aside from the twins.
Calgary Puck authors are starting to write stuff like how they are worried that this Oilers team just might be the one in the Finals.
Have been showing McDavid Highlights to a non – hockey fan and now with the sudden upsurge in violence on ice, this non fan is really liking the NHL lol
The body slammer was Kostin, but Nurse laid out 2 Wings with crushing hits in that game.
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Jakob Chychrun is a healthy scratch tonight for “trade related” reasons, per Coyotes.
I’m guessing Toronto.
Vancouver possibly.
I was thinking LA, but they need a goalie too.
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Leafs and Oilers are among teams that have stepped up their efforts on Chychrun.
I think the trade is already done. Kings take Chychrun and the announcement follows the retirement of Brown’s number.
You may well be right.
Having trouble seeing a good trade for Karlsson.
That said, as with the Keith trade, Holland isn’t necessarily the type to say he has to make a ‘good’ trade. Remember, we were a Keith retirement away from being in some serious Cap trouble. If Holland sees Karlsson as his next Chelios, then we should get ready for a trade we don’t like (in terms of value).
Given the Sharks don’t HAVE to trade Karlsson:
.. the team is already failing,
.. they have Cap and cash room to carry him,
.. they are dumping/trading Meier (huge return) and Bonino (3rd rounder I figure) already
I expect they aren’t just ‘dumping’ Karlsson, it is closer to a “Sell high while you can” deal. Retaining on Karlsson is only a must as far it is required to get the BEST return (as opposed to ‘any’ return).
For dollar-in-dollar-out Edmonton it becomes a minimum of:
Karlsson (50%, $5.75) and Bonino ($2.05)
FOR
Barrie ($4.50), Puljujarvi ($3.00), the 2023 1st (the real prize), one of Bourgault/Schaefer, and one of Tullio/Savoie/Lavoie/Petrov
if you don’t want to trade one of Holloway/Broberg/Bouchard anyways…
If Edmonton, Karlsson is the better player but the supply of cheap, in-house, players available to replace expensive veterans just dried up, still have to find money to pay everyone starting 2023/2024, and the “Cap-under-pressure” years just expanded by an extra $1.25 million for 1 year and $5.75 million for two more after that.
If San Jose, not a bad haul really, want Broberg though.
There are a lot of forms the trade could take but more I look at it the more it looks like a future defining trade.
For Karlsson? I’m not THAT big a fan.
I would not trade Broberg for anyone. An appeal for me with having Karlsson on the team is mentorship for the young Swede (and Bouchard).
Scott Wheeler saying Wanner among MJ Warriors suspended indefinitely.
Four Warriors altogether:
https://whl.ca/article/whl-announces-suspension-of-four-moose-jaw-warriors-players
Ruh-roh…
Erik Karlsson to the Oilers can’t be made to make sense. There is no salary they can give back to cover even half retained. Nor would the Sharks have any interest in Barrie, because what then would be the point of getting rid of an aging contract? They would really be paying Barrie $9.75M to play for them, instead of paying a Norris Trophy winner a couple mill more. That is, pay half of EK to a division rival for another 4.2 years. Not a chance.
Just making that call is above Rosie’s pay grade. An owner would have to make that decision.
And then there’s the NMC. Which means any talk of a trade has to begin with Karlsson himself. Anything less is simple tire-kicking. Are we to believe he’s demanded a trade to the Oilers?
And Barrie, because of his age will need to go to a playoff team… and which of them can take on full salary, or another year? Nor is it normal for the Oil to give one of their SC competitors a nice boost at this time of year.
I would love to have EK on the team at half retained. But this looks impossible. If anyone can show how it can realistically be done, please have at’er. Assume Pujo is already gone to cover for Yamo’s cap hit and Foegele and Kostin are healthy and that no sane GM would blow up this roster right now.
I will suggest that sometimes a reporter oversells the rumour and sometimes the reporter gets oversold himself, when a big name is used to obscure a true target.
I don’t doubt that the Sharks and the Oilers are talking about something. I’d be more surprised if they weren’t. After all, tis the season.
Maybe it’s about Matt Benning, maybe Labanc, maybe one of the Shark dmen that can play both sides. Maybe it’s about retaining for a pick. The macro, I believe. The micro remains to be seen.
Agreed. I like the idea of acquiring a top pairing RHD. Erik Karlsson ain’t going to happen mid-season. The only ways to make the cap work would be too disruptive to a roster that is currently on fire.
I think it is possible, but there would be quite a few moving pieces. And if this is going to happen Karlsson and another top 4 Dman would need to be acquired.
This would require retention and a third team. This means the Oilers would likely have no Draft picks left in the first 3 rounds for the next 3 years.
Like I said, no GM is going to blow up this roster to make such a difficult move. No third party is going to retain for 4+ years either.
Holland is on record as saying he’s building a consistent cup contender. No way he’s trading nine darft picks either.
To be accurate, 2 of those picks are already gone, so 7….
True that, lol.
I want to believe, I really do. Sharks would really have to want to get away from that contract though and create cap space. They would have to be at the point where they’re going to buy him out and trading him with half-retained is the better option.
I suppose wanting to extend Meier might create that need, but then the Sharks would be happy to take fewer assets in return for no retention and surely they would find a buyer in the off-season.
And through all this we have Karlsson’s NMC. Now if he has demanded a trade and limited it to a couple of teams, one of which is the Oil, well then, yes. The teams will find a way to get it done. But I can’t just assume that as a pre-condition.
I would be stunned if anyone was willing to eat retention 3rd party style for that many years.
The length and cap hit in that deal simply seems like run the other direction type reality.
Agreed, that is the greatest hurdle. Expensive to do, but potentially possible.
I dont like it nor really see sensible way to do it in actuality.
It would be nice but not the hill I’d choose to die on as a GM. And make no mistake load blown and cross your fingers about all kenny would have left to really be able to do for next couple years.
All this talk of getting EK is getting pretty far over the top. EK has negative trade value at current cap hit. To put this another way, would any team that EK would waive his NMC for take him for a 7th at full salary? No.
EK is 32 with 4 more years at $11.5 and a declining asset (as all players after their prime are). If Rosie wants to divest his team of this player it is going to cost him significant retention for little return.
I would definitely worry about durability here. But the chance to pick up an elite D in the midst of a 100 point season for around $8M/year when you may only have three more kicks at the cup with 97 and 29 is worth the swing for the fences, IMO.
Despite his price tag, Nurse needs to be the shutdown D on his pairing. I think he could be a terrific fit with Karlsson.
Would be shocked if they manage to make it happen, though.
Regarding age, Brent Burns is 38 and he is playing 23+ minutes per game on a Cup contender. Suter is 38 and plays over 20 minutes on another top NHL team, while the oldest, Giordano, who is 39, plays top 4 minutes also on a top NHL team.
Karlsson turns 37 on May 31st in the last year of his contract. He is having a career year as an elite NHL player. It is reasonable to believe that he can still play at a high level at a younger age than the players listed above.
Duncan Keith made a difference in Edmonton at 37. Also consider, Karlsson is having a career season at an age where a majority of NHL players have already retired. Never underestimate an older élite professional athlete. They are elite not only for their physical abilities, which tend not to erode as quickly as the average athlete.
I think he would be worth it (if he can be brought in at 50% or less) for the next 5 playoff runs, as a fan of this team or of hockey for that matter, why wouldn’t you?
It’s hard one to get one’s head around
I am by nature not wanting to bare the cupboards. On the other hand, how often can you add an elite #1 D? If it was Fox or Makar what would you give?
Would any of the prospects, late and becoming later draft picks, roster players, ever have his level of impact for the team? Making the lesser forwards far better when they play with him? Making Nurse better either with or taking pressure off?
We saw what CFP did. And then in Anaheim. It’s a big deal not having a top level D. Nurse is a top pair but at his best is not a league top D. Bro has a few years to go but could get there especially with a mentor like EK. Bouch as well, timing is good when EK is done
Other teams compensate for loss of prospects and draft capital. Deep success means it is possible to fill holes with cheap vets, if the GM has the acumen. Who doesn’t want to play with Connor on a team with a true chance, after bank has been made?
Kalrsson is a generational player – he’s absolutely elite and I agree that elite players generally don’t decline nearly as early as quickly. The mitigating factor here with Karlsson is his major injury history – he was a shell of his former self for the last 4 seasons. He’s having a historic season in a bounce back but is this going to continue next year, let alone for 3 more?
I remember the talk surrounding the injury at the time that it would take a lot of time until he would be back to his pre-injury self. And clearly he is finally back.
I would take Karlsson (all day, every day) ahead of Chychrun on injury concerns alone.
Good point
The risk profile on the 2 X $4.6MM and the 4 X $11.5MM is a bit different though (understanding that the ultimate cap hit to the acquiring team will be less than $11.5MM but that would be paid for).
4-5 seasons is a long time – maybe he’s back to where he was at 23 – I’m not 100% convinced but I’m as far from the situation as possible.
I love how aggressive Woody is on the penalty kill, SH Goals are absolutely a dagger to the opposition. In 2019-20 we had 3-SH Goals in 2020-21 we had 2-SH Goals last year 2021-22 we had 11-SH Goals so far this year we have 9-SH Goals. I don’t no what the numbers were before Woody took over last year. Anyhow Woody and Manson have given the green light on the Penalty kill.
I love how he coaches to our identity.
Apropos of nothing: if you were trading Tyson Barrie, retaining some, what would you expect the return to be, considering recent deals for guys like Chariot and Savard?
Could SJ view him as more than just a salary throw-in on a possible trade if they can flip him for a solid pick or two?
I don’t think you should have to retain anything. The guy is consistently one of the highest scoring dmen in the league. Don’t think the Sharks would want him simply because of age. I’m sure they want young guys.
The thinking being that if he was traded to SJ, they could turn around and net a strong return for him by retaining some $ and sending him to a contender with little cap space.
So in any theoretical Karlsson trade with the Oilers, 22 should be viewed as a real asset going the other way rather than just cap mechanics.
Then the Sharks would not be able to retain on Karlsson. You can only retain on two salaries and they’re already retaining on Burns.
The limit is actually 3 retained salary transaction on the books – I’m fairly confidant.
Correct
Re Karlsson:
How about 50% retained salary and Sharks get Puljujarvi, Yamamoto and any two AHL players?
lol
Okay toss in a pair of third round picks for good measure.
Who plays RW?
Jari Kurri?
Sounds more than fair! Let me try this be a GM thing:
Edm gets – Karlson (35% retained)
SJ gets – JP, Barrie, Shore, 1st, conditional 3rd (becomes a 2nd if Oilers make the finals)
So two distressed assets worth less than their cap hits, an overpaid 3D, a 1st round pick and pocket lint for a #1D.
Yeah, that’ll work.
Add Yamamoto;
Karlsson is rumoured to like the idea of playing with Leon and Connor
But Yamo tries real hard remember what he said at the draft that any team passing on him is going to regret it.
I think you missed a Patridge in a pear tree.
Debatable whether that’s 3rd or 4th most valuable piece offered but definitely not less than “negligible” over clear value “probably not any value to sharks at present cross road”
Captain Jack is streaking 8 big W in a row. Skinner has lost 6 of his last 8 mind you 3 of those were in OT or SO but a loss is a loss where I come from.
A loss is not always a loss where Bettman comes from. 😀
Not in the real season.
Skinner carried this team when “Captain Jack” was awol.
Skinner getting a point Thursday is a bigger deal that Captain Jacks sub .900 2 points today.
Jack started off great this morning/aft but had a couple gaffs that could have cost the team. He was great on Tuesday but not as good today. Skinner, on Thursday, has had the best post-break tending performance and I look forward to him in net tomorrow. If he’s anywhere near where he was on Thursday, he probably earns the Wed start.
The Boys are scoring when he’s backstopping Skinner not so much.
Correct – I believe that has all but nothing to do with the goaltender – its random and coincidental (and this isn’t a Smith vs. Mikko puck handling changing the breakout and the puck dump games).
I can barely see a way Karlsson doable. And its basically “all-in”.
I texted something on my hockey chat with buds. Be interested in any thoughts on logic.
So, Karlsson at likely half only way they have room probably. Don’t see any possible way barrie being taken back in trade with rebuilding team.
Actual cost in dollars to retain half contract through on bad end of age?
He’s 11.5 mill.
Let’s say they approach 1st establishing expected real value remaining:
10.0 mill this year (32)
9.0 mill next year (33)
8.5 mill (34)
7.0 mill (35)
5 mill (36)
So like 18 mill in value I’d be asking them to eat 3 ish million per year
So trade me him at 9 mill a year face value.
Then agree on cost to retain past that.
There’s only 16.5 million real dollars on last 2 years and goos signing bonuses so tradable asset if on a team that has ownership willing to burn money.
After 2nd last signing bonus only (5 mill)11.5 million real dollars 5.25 mill per year if not capped team.
In final year (after 6 mill signing bonus) only 1.5 million real dollars.
So some value likely reclaimable or easily dealt off with minimal asset cost.
Good structure on contract for owner willing to eat dollars team…
But to get him at half retained you are logically going to have to pay assets for 3ish million per yearreal value for 5 years.
That’s astronomical cost relative to almost anything.
Cost 1st to dump one year of 6 million on likes of Marleau
So easily argued multiple 1st to retain that much.
That’s just balancing salary type considerations equitably.
Now you need to add value of dumping contracts back and actual value of getting him.
So real value package:
Send Bouchard as he’s not going to fit well over medium term contract wise and has value for actual player value of Karlsson?
2023 1st, 2024 1st, bourgault, foegle, Bouchard and shed puj contract somewhere to make money close….probably additional 2nd rounder at least In there somewhere?
Down foegle 2.75, puj 3.0, bouch 975k
In Karlsson half retained 5.75 mil
Replacement for 1 of foegle or puj (in league min area)
You are all in on Karlsson.
Very highly doubt they want to retain half. I bet it would be easier just to dump Barrie on them.
Hard to see them retaining half for sure but those picks offer a ton of value IF they pan out. There is also risk associated with Karlsson’s injury history and age. I’d take the risk but would insist that they retain as close to half as possible.
Old Kenny has actually compiled a fairly extensive list of gets that fans considered improbable.
Trade Lucic, extend Nuge, sign Kane, retire Keith, etc.
I don’t think they would need to add the 2024 pic as they will need that for the trade deadline next year. Throw in Jesse and maybe he turns it around. That’s four first round pic’s with the 2023 pic the 2022 pic (Borg) Bouchard and Jesse. If Jesse works out that could be fantastic value for a large retention on Karlsson’s contract.
“If jesse” is worth less than a hill of beans at this moment draft position be damned.
My question is why doesn’t Bouch fit in under medium term budget concerns?
He’s regressed offensively this year and Barrie gives him not chance to pump the stats on the PP.
Folks are looking at a Bouch Comp that is dead and gone from the summer.
He’s NHL level salary but nothing special.
Kulak or less for two years.
I really don’t see why they’d take barrie. It’s just of little worth conceptually if I’m san Jose and meirer is leaving.
The oilers don’t have much to offer if Holloway and especially broberg not on table (which I hope not as two most likeky value contracts in this window)
Bridge to nowhere Bouchard is kind of pisspoor option. Definitely can’t go long if Karlsson also here. Even if barrie moved in offseason they are another million gone with Karlsson at half retained. Probably moving barrie anyway in offseason to field a full better balanced roster.
Karlsson is your man for this and following at least 2 years.
As for other comment about 2024 1st – I agree it seems like a better option to cash at deadline where you aren’t starting season on LTIR. But if anything, for Karlsson at halfretained and dumps attached my package is low.
Hunter1909’s Oilers season in a season update:
With todays W Oilers go 11-3-3 during the Hunter1909 mini season in a season that ends with the Bruins game in Boston. As much as I am forced to respect Boston I never have been able to like that NHL team too much.
Personally I liked seeing the Ottawa players not laughing and joking like they were when the game was tied. That’s just me.
As have got them splitting this weekend I guess I have to expect a L tomorrow against those dastardly habitats.
If you think Oilers win tomorrow: press Thumbs Up
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I find this stat interesting Oilers with Yamamoto in the line-up 14-14-2 without him 16-4-2. If your the G.M would you be in a hurry too reactivate him and his 3.1 million salary.
I hate to say it but the best thing to do is trade him while his value is pretty high.
He’s not the type of player who teams like this one wins cups with
What are all the things that changed in that time period?
Desharnais,
Kane? (Part of it anyway)
Campbell stepping up.
Maybe it was yam. But in no way does your chosen stat move the needle for me.
Tell that too Woody who’s job depends on wins and losses.
The GM is required to actiavte him when deemed ready – sure, they can be a bit loose with the definition of “ready” but they won’t be able to draft this out much further – it seems they are already at the end of the rope here pretty soon.
How you sure the first sentence isn’t backwards.
Huh?
Karlsson @$3M retained for Bouchard and Barrie and a 1st…plus we take Benning for depth to cover injury or play 3RD if Desharnais stumbles. Throw in a b prospect or mid round pick if needed. Then send 2 1sts away to whoever is willing to retain $4m x4
With Ek and Ceci as 1RD and 2RD, Desi might be a great fit to play 3D for 12 mins a night or more if protecting a lead but Benning provides perfect #8 depth, long cheap contract makes him easy to pass thru waivers and bury for the next few years.
This makes the Oilers worse… clearly and obviously it makes them worse and it leaves them one injury away from having nobody right handed to play defense… why would you make this trade and be proud of it?
A GM should be fired if they even proposed this.
Bouchard and Barrie wtf are you smoking?
Bouch is a 2nd or 3rd pair dman today. Barrie is a 2nd pair with 1st PP capabilities. Ceci is playing over his head at 1RD…
We would be picking up a 1st pair, 1st PP dman, and a 3rd pair D. And we have Ceci who is perfectly slotted at 2nd pair. Assuming no injuries this clearly improves the team…. having Ek eat up 20+ ev mins plus all powerplay mins? How is this not an improvement (assuming no injury)
Convoluted thinking is how teams disintegrate, not integrate.
“Assuming no injuries” is a good place to start the conversation.
Trade deadline would be an odd time to remake the right side of defense. But wouldn’t surprise me if it was done within a year though
If Holland lands Karlsson, is it Lidstrom 2.0 or Ference Redux?
Ference Redux
Whatever happens, trading Bouchard and Broberg for Karlsson feels like trading away 2 major assets for a pig in a poke, a bird in the bush…
I hang up the phone if anyone insists on having Broberg. Bouchard on the other hand I’m all for especially in an EK trade. Kralsson makes this team a major contender.
Vegas loses Thompson for weeks….
Oilers winning the Div by six all
of a sudden feels way to conservative.
I can’t wait to see this place once folks realize the Avs are closer to a 0.500 team instead of 0.750 lol.
Avs just clawed their way back into the playoffs in the other division…
They’re currently rocking a very high win percentage and are cup champs.
No they aren’t rocking a high win percentage and are three games over real 0.500.
Don’t be feinted by efficient losing. Getting speedbagged by real teams the rest of the year.
Just watch.
The Oilers have picked up 16 points in their last 10 games.
The Avalanche 15.
Bo Byram has just rejoined the team, Josh Manson expected next week and Landeskog about a month away.
Just watch.
8-0-2 – 18 pts.
I agree that Colorado is getting healthy & ready for the real season.
Manson sucks at Hockey and Makar sucks at defense so why would I care?
Byram? Yea ok Yamamoto is an iron man compared to that glass tiger. Good hair though. Lemme know when he makes it past ten pregames skates lol.
18 points sport.
oh don’t bother HH with that math stuff!
Byram is unfortunately fragile but Landeskog’s return moves the needle for them. They really miss Kadri, Newhook isn’t there yet. Goaltending is weaker too.
They are still the champs and dangerous but the Oil have closed the gap.
Dallas, to my eye, are the class of that division, with a well-balanced group.
Their Win % is climbing just like the Oilers. They also have more assertive and creative management. We’ll see
Colorado currently has $7.2 million in deadline cap space.
Pretty sure they will use it to shore up the lineup given their history.
Kane/McDavid/Yams
Nuge/Drai/Hyman
Janmark/Toews/Ryan
Holloway/Mcleod
Nurse/Karlsson
Kulak/Ceci
Broberg/Bouchard
Seaweed
Skinner/Campbell
Dooooooo it.
I think you’d have to out in O Reilly for Toews for cap reasons. RoR hasn’t had the best season but I would wager would be far more impactful if he’s healthy again.
He’s been a stone cold killer against top comp until this year and is younger. He’ll get his mojo back
I’m thinking likeky Bouchard would have to be in package.
Midterm cap implications and actual value acquiring Karlsson with salary retained.
Yup Bouchard would go in that trade for sure. I could see it come playoff time
Nurse/Karlsson
Broberg/Ceci
Kulak/Barrie/
Deharnais
No, Klim Kostin on LTIR does NOT provide enough cap space to activate Yamo and run a 21 player roster. Foegele on the other hand……
Wouldn’t the smart play be just to keep Yamo off the roster until the deadline? He would have more time to rest and be ready to go?
1) If he’s ready to be activated, they can’t just keep him on indefinitely – at some point the league is going to look harder at the situation, in particular given the verbal about him being ready this weekend, then on Wed and then not for another 3 weeks? Fishy.
2) To the above, Yamo already seems quite frustrated that he was placed on LTIR in the first place….
3) This presume Foegele is actually hurt for at least a medium period of time.