The Edmonton Oilers looked discombobulated early and late in Columbus on Saturday afternoon, and Oilers fans were most unhappy with the loss. The fan base, a house divided anyway, chose areas of the game to hammer like Dick Pound at a drug-testing convention. Jack Campbell was the main culprit based on what I read, but there was plenty of acidic talk around Darnell Nurse. Warren Foegele scored a goal, but was 1-4 goals at five-on-five. It was one of those games.
Oilers doing interesting things in procurement recently.
1: spending picks, even late ones, on real skill.
2: finding checkers and shutdown blue via auditioning players on AHL contracts.
On the road to: DET, PHI, OTT, MTL (Expected 3-1-0) (Actual 2-1-1)
At home to: DET, NYR (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-2)
On the road to: COL (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-1)
At home to: PHI (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
On the road to: PIT, CBJ (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
At home to: BOS (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
February expected result: 6-3-2, 14 points in 11 games
February actual result: 4-2-4, 12 points in 10 games
January actual result: 8-2-2, 18 points in 12 games
December results: 7-6-2, 16 points in 15 games
November results: 7-7-0, 14 points in 14 games
October results: 6-3-0, 12 points in 9 games
Oilers in 2022-23: 32-20-8, 72 points in 60 games
Jay Woodcroft said it in the previous RT: "Trying to pass the puck through people" and it doesn't work. Edmonton needs defence, but the team also needs everyone to buy in to the idea "it's what you leave" as MacT used to say.
Nurse sends an errant pass from the RH side (neutral zone) then heads for a change, but stays out when his pass is turned back into the Edmonton zone. Nurse is late for the battle behind the net, and then late for the goal-mouth shot that cashed. A poor play thrice, no blame on the goalie from me.
Boone Jenner deflects the puck on the power play, no quarrel with the goalie on that play.
Kirill Marchenko walks down broadway and scores from outside the high slot. I think the goalie should have that one, you may feel differently.
Patrik Laine scores off a rebound that bounced ideally off the backboard. This is on Jack Campbell, his lateral movement lags at times and it did on this occasion. That’s two goals out of four you’ll need a stop.
First Jack Roslovic goal (both v. Stuart Skinner) begins with some below average work from Nuge, who loses possession. A strong shot attempt yields a kevlar rebound and Evan Bouchard nor Skinner can stop the Roslovic shot. The rebound was a bungee jump, some blame on the goaltender.
Second Jack Roslovic goal is a shot from range but Brett Kulak tipped it. I think the goalie is off the hook on the tip.
A FEW HOME TRUTHS
Trading Jack Campbell is impossible. No team is going to take on that much responsibility, not for a mountain of first-round selections. A buyout is more palatable, but that’s summer. There’s also the matter of general managers who rarely move off from a signing of their own 20 percent of the way through a contract. Campbell’s five-on-five SP from December 15 through yesterday is .902. I have no wish to derail your trade ideas, but do want you to know you’re pissing in the wind. He’s going nowhere.
The play is Erik Karlsson. I wrote about it here, and it’s damn difficult to get done. You can’t make a proposal that includes Tyson Barrie, Jesse Puljujarvi and a first-round pick in 2023 in exchange for Erik Karlsson with $5 million retained, because it would be done by now if it was enough. It’s going to take (imo) Evan Bouchard and at least one other team, and it also requires a club to value Edmonton’s first-round picks (mid-20’s, possibly) highly. I know you’re angry, and don’t believe in this general manager, but in fairness I haven’t seen a reasonable scenario that gets Karlsson here. It’s going to take Bouchard and the first in 2023, plus 2024, and maybe Broberg, Holloway, McLeod and or other. Pocket change cost a fourth-round pick in the Ryan O’Reilly deal, what on God’s earth will retaining $5 million TIMES four seasons cost? The mind boggles.
What’s especially disheartening is that so many people simply won’t acknowledge the real challenge here. I don’t think there’s a better match for Edmonton than Karlsson, in fact I think the organization is lucky to have him as an option. I don’t know how they get there. Ordinarily, there would be many quality articles about how to get it done. Maybe I’ve missed them but I haven’t seen a realistic one, and the one I wrote acknowledges it’ll be damn difficult to do.
The problem is you wreck the roster so badly it creates holes elsewhere.
This is where Brad Holland and the pro scouts come into play, and of course Ken Holland has to want to make the moves. Yesterday, I posted my list of attractive players. If we acknowledge Karlsson is too distant a bell, then this imo is the best possible roster.
The deals made were:
Evan Bouchard and the 2023 first-round pick for Jakob Chychrun ($1.3 million retained)
Mike Kesselring and 2024 second-round pick for Nick Jensen
Jesse Puljujarvi and 2024 first-round pick for Taylor Raddysh and 2023 second-round pick (Lightning)
Tyson Barrie and 2023 second-round pick (Lightning) for Radko Gudas
I traded Yams and Pujo (+ a 2nd) to the Flyers for JVR and Braun, both 50% retained on AGM. Had $1.7M in cap space afterwards with Holloway up and Desharnais down. Could make another move or fill out the roster from the minors.
Not sure how I feel about that trade. Steals from the middle of the roster and the cluster, to improve the upper part of the roster and cap space.
I doubt those two vet Americans get traded in this direction even though they lack NTC protection, but thought I’d take a look at it.
Bulging Twine
February 26, 2023 11:40 pm
Looked like maybe prices were going down (NN) then this Jeannot trade happened
Theoretically, Sharks could still trade Karlson and retain money, but it would need to be equal money in and out just like the Oilers. So a trade without a third team involved would (almost) certainly not be possible.
I’m not sure I agree with the Sharks play here with EK65.
He’s likely the most tradeable, right now. Good chance he sags the rest of the season if he isn’t moved- he isn’t going to risk injury and you can’t blame him. Even so- he could get injured.
Whether it’s the Oilers or some other team, Grier might regret not moving him now. I think the package is less in the summer, but maybe less retention as well (which might be their motivation to wait)
Interesting to see how it plays out. I still hope he’s an Oiler by Friday.
Pretty good haul for an Undrafted player whose peak season was probably last year. He has 5 goals this season, basically the same numbers as Jesse, who might not even fetch a 3rd, apparently.
GMs like their hitters though, he is 5th in the NHL in that stat. Luke Schenn leads the league with 50 more than Jeannot. JP has about half the hits Jeannot has, and of course is a bit less than 4x the salary.
It was shocking to see. BriseBois is something else. Jeannot will probably turn out great.
Corey Sznajder (shutdown line) shows that Jeannot is very involved in the d-zone, gets tonnes of pressures on the forecheck (although not great at recovering dump-ins), and gets loads of deflections. Just some of the stuff that TB may admire about him.
nelson88
February 26, 2023 10:15 pm
On record as being a big fan of acquiring Jeannot but the price paid was awfully steep. Seems to be a year where folks are going all in early. Old Dutch might find a gem late as the music stops and the sellers have run out of chairs.
To Munny’s point the Eastern teams have fired their powder.
Chyckrun, Gostisbehere, Schenn, Gavrikov, Gudas, Jensen are all available.
Get a couple of them for a 2nd and a 3rd because there ain’t anybody capable of offering more (Chyckrun obv costs more).
Well, the Knights do have a couple of 1st rounders they can throw around. They’re not getting Kane or Meier, so do they turn their attention to JVR?
Munny 2.0
February 26, 2023 10:05 pm
Interesting that it is the forwards that are moving first. Is that because they’re in higher demand or because prices were more reasonable? More marquee names, for sure…
But the flip side of the coin is that a lot of ammo has been used up. Not so much in the West, but Avs are short on picks, Vegas on prospects, Calgary on a playoff future… and the Kings & Krak seem focused on net.
I think they’ll need to figure out in the next day or two whether they’re in on either Chyckrun or Karlsson, and if it’s not going to happen they should make a play for Gostisbehere or Gudas, or both.
The Oilers can be very competitive in the West with a more veteran defense corps. Broberg and Desharnais will have to wait their turn. This is the fact of the matter if we’re intent on going for it this year.
UnjustEnrichment
February 26, 2023 9:51 pm
I think Lowetide’s trade ideas are acceptable, but I would substitute Yamamoto for Puljujarvi. Yamamoto is definitely the one who should go. Puljujarvi has less replaceable skill set and he makes more of a difference, in my opinion, than Yamamoto does. I think trading Barrie may not be advisable, as he is too much a part of the inner circle. and he is a regular fixture on the best power play in the league. Getting rid of both Barrie and Bouchard would be bold and the move would place a lot of pressure upon the new defencemen to fill the void.
kgo
February 26, 2023 9:45 pm
Poile retires within a week of Gazdic’s tampering comments
I read that McDavid was livid(angry) after the last game.
Oilers need better defence and goaltending before they go anywhere.
Munny 2.0
February 26, 2023 9:30 pm
This gives us some idea of what Lafferty might cost. He won’t bring what Jeannot did, but a 3rd rounder is not going to do it either. He’s going to cost more than many people think
Grier, on Karlsson: “At this time, I’m anticipating he’s here for the rest of the season.”
But says if someone wants him, where there’s a will, there’s a way
John Chambers
February 26, 2023 8:51 pm
That Jeannot trade is insane. Tampa paid a higher price IMO than Jersey did for Meier.
I want Holland to upgrade the team in a sensible way, but I’m definitely glad he hasn’t pissed assets away for mediocre talents or expiring contracts.
The prices have been high, but I think there’ll be some deals to be had later in the week.
I’m not sure his QO is all that meaningful. I mean, he’s not going to accept hit and he’s arbitration eligible. His crap production this year will mute the potential award, I’m sure, but they can take in to account the 20 goals the previous season….
I was almost certain you were going to point that out after I posted it. I decided to leave it in, regardless, because it does anchor the prices somewhat and I didn’t care that deeply. Of course the main thrust of the point is the Bolts recognized a bargain they could use and went all-in, and I’m pretty sure everyone gets that.
The Blackhawks received forwards Boris Katchouk and Taylor Raddysh, and a first-round pick in the 2023 NHL Draft and 2024 NHL Draft that are top-10 protected for Hagel, a 23-year-old forward.
Hagel is on a 3 year deal with a cap hit of $1.5 million.
All he has done this season is 22G 27A 49P in 58 GP.
These guys know what they are doing and aren’t afraid to pay for what they want.
So what you’re saying is that Tampa is paying this very high price for Jeannott’s production LAST season? It’s a shame that Nashville didn’t give Tampa the time machine to go back to last year and bring that Jeannott into the present. I guess that is sold seperately.
I could see the logic of Tampa going after Jeannott but I bet you they thought he would be cheaper because of his poorer production this year. But as you said “they get who they want” no matter the cost it seems.
Interestingly, I remember you railing against GMs like Holland for having a similar mentality..
Makes you wonder which teams would have given a better player than Jeannott for the price Tampa paid.
But feel free to keep trying to justify it with your compelling appeal to authority.
I think HH is on pretty solid and reasonable grounds here. The cost was high but the odds of a bounce back also seem quite high in a better role on a better team. If you can mint 15-20G a year at <$2 million you’re laughing as GM.
In what world is he worth that much?
I personally think Tampa is over spending on purpose to hike the prices of all the other players on the market. Kind of like Market tampering. (Not the same, but feels Similar to what happened when Jones and Werenski were both signed to $9.5M right before Nurse)
with these prices, I doubt Holland will be grabbing one of the premium (or high octane) options, and instead settles for an unleaded one.
Booo….
Reja
February 26, 2023 7:14 pm
The Coyotes play their home games in the Mullett Arena with a capacity of 4400 fans it got me thinking of the Edmonton Gardens. That was the Carrot back in the day if you were good enough you had a shot to win Minor Hockey Week and play the finals at the famous Edmonton Gardens It was such a tight time frame with the games that If a game went to OT it was played with no Goalies. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Campbell haters.
Lets be the first team in history to buyout a Goalie that has a record of 17W-8L-4T. With the savings we can give Yamamoto a extension and raise of 5 years because apparently Connor and Leon like him.
I know he won’t be bought out this year but it’s still on social media and unless Campbell is living with a Amish family he’s read and seen the buyout talk already. Whether are not this lights a fire under his tush or adds more pressure remains to be played out.
Reja, I am genuinely curious as to why you’re a big fan of Campbell over “leaky Mikko” who you had frequently railed against. Mikko’s worst season as an Oiler was 0.899 and Campbell’s currently rocking a .884 with a longer and bigger contract. And Campbell is also letting in goals very early in games which I recall, you said was a big momentum killer when Mikko did it and set a bad tone for the rest of the game.
Reja would rather have a pitcher who is 10-1 with an ERA of 9.87 than a guy who is 2-5 with an ERA of 2.41. The guy who is 10-1 is a winner; probably has a hotter girlfriend, too.
He deserves at least 1 playoff. Once the fans and the players have given up on a Goalie he’s done. It’s all about winning you think the players give a shit if they win 6-5 and and add a bunch of points leading to higher contracts. Grant Fuhr would let in 5 Goals but he made the saves at the right time to win games. In those 2 SO losses by Campbell we had more than enough chances to win. Same with the OT game if Campbell is sporting a 20-8-1 record would we be having this discussion.
Munny 2.0
February 26, 2023 7:08 pm
So we have it in black and white, per NHL.com:
The New Jersey Devils today acquired
forwards Timo Meier, Timur Ibragimov, defensemen Scott Harrington, Santeri Hatakka, goaltenderZachary Emond and a fifth-round pick (originally Colorado’s selection) in the 2024 NHL Draft
via trade with the San Jose Sharks in exchange for
New Jersey’s first-round pick in the 2023 NHL Draft (conditional), defensemen Shakir Mukhamadullin and Nikita Okhotiuk, forwards Andreas Johnsson and Fabian Zetterlund, a conditional second-round selection in the 2024 NHL Draft and a seventh-round selection in 2024.
San Jose will retain 50% of Meier’s 2022-23 salary as part of the trade.
Grier is clearing out contracts like a champ! Before the Jaycob Megna trade he was at the max with 50. After the Meier trade he is now down to 48. None of the new NJ players, aside from Meier, will ever see NHL games in New Jersey (if at all). The 3 young players from SJ will all end up in the ECHL, where 2 of them are currently.
This is an amazing haul for the Sharks, especially considering Meier will turn UFA when his contract is up. Okhotiuk could turn into an NHL player, he does have good wheels. Although not much offense.
Meier is an RFA after this season when his contract is up. His QO is $10MM and he could force a one-year $10MM deal that walks him to UFA but he’s not a UFA right away (he will be qualified if they don’t reach an extension agreement prior).
San Jose Receives New Jersey’s 2023 First-Round Pick: If the pick is a top-two selection, New Jersey will instead transfer their own 2024 first-round pick.
San Jose Receives Conditional 2024 Second-Round Pick: Should New Jersey reach the 2023 Eastern Conference Finals (and Meier plays in at least 50% of Meier’s Club’s Playoff games in 2023) or the 2024 Eastern Conference Finals, New Jersey will transfer its own first-round pick in 2024 NHL Draft to San Jose (top 10 protected), instead of its own second-round pick in 2024 NHL Draft. If New Jersey’s first-round pick in 2024 NHL Draft is a top 10 selection, New Jersey will have the option to instead transfer its own first-round pick in 2025 NHL Draft to San Jose. Should New Jersey transfer its first-round pick in 2024 NHL Draft per the original condition (top-two above in Condition A), New Jersey will instead transfer its own first-round pick in 2025 NHL Draft should they reach the 2024 Eastern Conference Finals.
Yeah…there’s an awful lot of noise there but have to remember Meier is effectively a rental and his QO is enormous.
SJ COULD receive 2 1st round picks as well as former 1st Mukhamadullin while Zetterland is already an NHL playe…so potentially 4 players even if the rest are nothing.
Probably not accurate to write Okhotyuk off yet as a distant bell either. Just turned 23 year old defenseman who has played 10 games this season in the NHL. He has more games in the NHL than all but 40 or so in his draft class so still on track for a 61 overall pick.
And it’s not like Fitzgerald got to grind Grier either. He had to offer more than Vegas and some of the earlier bidders who dropped out in the past few days.
His cap hit is only $1MM but he’s got $750K worth of performance bonuses for games played and TOI – I don’t know exactly what they are but, if vested, they hit the cap of the acquiring team as they are calculated at year’s end and that would create a dollar for dollar cap penalty for the Oilers for next season.
Harpers Hair
February 26, 2023 5:41 pm
The Chicago Blackhawks have traded defenseman Jack Johnson back to the Colorado Avalanche for another shot at the Stanley Cup.
Dreger has JVR as the next hot target now that Meier and Barbashev have been moved.
Friedman has other ideas…
Primetime
February 26, 2023 5:11 pm
Primetime
Reply to Gerta Rauss
February 26, 2023 4:59 pm
Interesting, but the players most often mentioned in regard to Oiler targets (Ekholm, Jeannot, Sissons) all seem like Trotz type of players. Wonder if they are still “available”?
I just posted this below. Right on cue Friedman tweets Jeannot being sat out for “trade related reasons”.
Well, I’m not exactly sure where this is going to go…but it sounds like TB has made a pitch for Tanner Jeannot
Primetime
February 26, 2023 5:08 pm
I agree with LT that there is no chance someone takes Campbell back in a trade as a form of “salary retention”.
However, if that’s the case, what would you think of sending him down to Bako to re-discover his game? He has a NTC not a NMC
Bring up Pickard as a capable NHL back up and save around $500K on the cap
Let Skinner run the show at the NHL level
Let Soup get all the starts in Bako to find his game. No pressure situation and able to bring him back up at the end of the year for NHL games and to back up Skinner in the playoffs as long as he doesn’t continue to crater in the AHL
I don’t believe it would ruin Oilers reputation, if anything it shows it’s a meritocracy. Tell McDrai you are serious about doing whatever it takes to win now.
Munny 2.0
February 26, 2023 5:03 pm
Kings fight back to get it 3-2. Rags respond a minute later to make it 4-2 17 mins to play.
So far most of the big fish have headed to or stayed in the East (Tarasenko, Orlov, Meier, O’Reilly). Dadanov and Barbashev aren’t really big fish. None of this makes the Oilers better but none of its competition to get to the finals has upgraded much yet either.
Seems an unusual deadline season thus far. The East, which looks incredibly difficult to come out of this year, has teams spending big on additions. And the West, which is really wide open and should have GMs going for it, instead has the GMs grinding on price.
Not unusual though when the desire is usualy to trade out of conference and the West has more sellers right now… and the better players to sell.
Once the FLA, DET, BUF, NYI guys get it figured out, could see some deal for those who waited.
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Despite being short a Dman, the Blue Shirts go up 2-0 on the Kings early in the 2nd.
Florida is the one team that might open up. Pitt is lagging in games played (not exactly a fair situation) but Hexie always seems to me like a bit of a wild card, so I don’t count him out of anything.
John Chambers
February 26, 2023 3:55 pm
Two good things here:
1) a talented player goes from the West to the Eastern Conference again. Horvat, Tarasenko, O’Reiñly, and now Meier
Only Vegas for Barbershop and Chicago for Zaitsev have “loaded up” 😏
2) Mike Grier now has four full days without distraction to get a Karlsson deal done
Match penalty for spitting, K’Andre gone from the Rags — Kings game. that should be an automatic suspension too.
Munny 2.0
February 26, 2023 3:31 pm
Rags go up 1-0 on another Lafreniere goal.
Even with Poile pulling the parachute, Nashville are not going to retain four years on Ekholm, nor are they going to want unuseful salary back, but he could be available otherwise.
Can’t see how we can make it work unless they really like Barrie and we plan on using Ek on his off-point
While they do play Ekholm a material amount on the right, it only looks to be about 20-25% of his 5v5 time, so “typically” would be incorrect. Most common partner is Carrier, but more than half his time is distributed among the other four dmen. Swiss army knife. The Nuge of Defense, lol.
Ahh, you lost me. Are you saying Kulak can play both sides?
They don’t need that but with $22M playing on the left side, they could certainly be looking to make LHD cheaper. That’s why I thought I’d better correct his usage. Since he is playing the left side, that’s a lot of of cap tied up there
Getting the remainder of Ekholm’s salary from Kulak’s covered will be difficult. Pujo isn’t enough by himself. And now we’re talking more turnover than is optimal.
I think Kulak has played the right side, although I may just be repeating things I’ve read on the internet LOL
Kulak and Pujo/Yammo is $5.75M…perhaps a 3rd team retains the other $500k..?
It’ll cost Holland assets (after figuring out the money) but Ek in and Kulak out is a wash, so it’s 1 forward out(RW)
*edit – I’ve found a Flames blog that mentions “he plays both sides” and I know I’ve read it several times since we’ve acquired him. I can post the link if you like, but I think we’ll agree he probably is more effective on his left side
For four years? I dunno, now it gets tough again. I don’t think four 5ths is going to swing that. I’m not sure who would be willing.
I wonder too how much the regional TV situation in the US has teams afraid of spending any money they don’t need to.
You’d think we’d be hearing more out of ARI in this regard. but other than the constant Chychrun drumbeat, there’s crickets.
I’m all for Ekholm, have liked him for a long time. But if it takes another forward (other than Pujo) gone somewhere to make this deal work, I’m out. I’d rather wait till summer.
Yes, four retains. And normally that’s a 5th-7th draft pick for one year, if memory serves. This whole idea has to be explored by Holland, but like EK, I don’t have high expectations of it getting done.
Darryl8843
February 26, 2023 3:16 pm
So I guess the way it’s going there will be no reason to skip work and watch trade deadline coverage Friday morning.
There is no Meier contract extension as part of this. The Devils became comfortable doing the trade without having him signed to an extension as part of it.
I guess we’ll wait and see what the price was – Meier is still an RFA (with a huge QO) so NJ could still move him at the draft if things don’t work out
Apparently, Meier signing an extension was not part of the deal. If he stays unsigned to July, the CBA from 2013 would indicate that Meier’s QO for the Devils to retain his rights would be $10 million (his 2022/23 cash salary), which was well above his average cap hit of $6 million. Can’t recall if that got modified in any of the 2 amendments during Covid. Maybe they are already willing to go to that for 1 year if they can’t extend him otherwise.
Big breaking story out of Nashville: after 26 years as the Predators’ architect — the most consistent presence in franchise history — David Poile is retiring from President of Hockey Operations & GM position, effective June 30. Expectation is he will remain in a consulting role.
It sounds like Barry Trotz will step into the role
As far as how this affects the Oilers – still to be determined, but this kind of ties into Jeff Marek’s comments last night that everybody except Josi, Forsberg, and the goalie are on the table
Sure does. And I’m actually really happy to hear that he and the Preds org are still on good terms with Trotz. That’s a good move for them continuity wise.
Interesting, but the players most often mentioned in regard to Oiler targets (Ekholm, Jeannot, Sissons) all seem like Trotz type of players. Wonder if they are still “available”?
This day was going to come eventually, but Poile departing the Predators is still a bit surreal.
I wonder how this might affect their deadline.
PaperDesigner
February 26, 2023 2:38 pm
The most galling thing about Holland (reportedly/supposedly) being out on Karlsson is that he has repeatedly gone after guys well past their prime and overpaid for them. Now that there’s finally someone north of 30 that is good enough at his position that the age doesn’t matter much, suddenly he’s conservative when it comes to cost. You give a 39 or 40 year old Mike Smith a two year contract but you won’t get aggressive about sending out assets to bring in a 32 year old (likely) Norris finalist? I understand the cost is proportionately different, but come on!
I don’t think Karlsson is the only target, but for this team it seems to be the the number one target with a bullet. He addresses an area of need and makes your strength stronger simultaneously. Maybe they circle back in the off-season but Karlsson could easily be the difference between winning and losing the cup THIS YEAR.
Of course, none of these other cases where he’s acquired player’s past their prime and even overpaid for them is in any way comparable to what would be required to acquire Karlsson given the required acquisition cost and the required cap structuring cost.
There is nothing similar between a potential trade for Karlsson and his prior trades for, say, Chellios or Hasek.
is OnHockeyTV working for anybody???
Englund 16%(!) Ozone starts!
A short little article by Holt on Tullio if you’re inneressed
https://theahl.com/surging-confidence-leads-to-tullios-success
I traded Yams and Pujo (+ a 2nd) to the Flyers for JVR and Braun, both 50% retained on AGM. Had $1.7M in cap space afterwards with Holloway up and Desharnais down. Could make another move or fill out the roster from the minors.
Not sure how I feel about that trade. Steals from the middle of the roster and the cluster, to improve the upper part of the roster and cap space.
I doubt those two vet Americans get traded in this direction even though they lack NTC protection, but thought I’d take a look at it.
Looked like maybe prices were going down (NN) then this Jeannot trade happened
Sharks have only 1 remaining retained salary spot
Karlsson’s not coming…
Awww, man…
They don’t have as much cap space as I would have thought either.
DEADLINE CAP SPACE https://cdn.capfriendly.com/images/icons/general/q.svg : $3,319,167
Andreas Johnson has a $3.4m cap hit.
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/sharks
There’s a limit to those? Dang…
Theoretically, Sharks could still trade Karlson and retain money, but it would need to be equal money in and out just like the Oilers. So a trade without a third team involved would (almost) certainly not be possible.
True but both Meier and Burns fall off after this year.
They only have one left to use now but using it on Karlsson won’t hamper them going forward as the other two spots open up.
I’m not sure I agree with the Sharks play here with EK65.
He’s likely the most tradeable, right now. Good chance he sags the rest of the season if he isn’t moved- he isn’t going to risk injury and you can’t blame him. Even so- he could get injured.
Whether it’s the Oilers or some other team, Grier might regret not moving him now. I think the package is less in the summer, but maybe less retention as well (which might be their motivation to wait)
Interesting to see how it plays out. I still hope he’s an Oiler by Friday.
Jeannot Shooting %’s
19.35% last year
5.75% this
Pretty good haul for an Undrafted player whose peak season was probably last year. He has 5 goals this season, basically the same numbers as Jesse, who might not even fetch a 3rd, apparently.
GMs like their hitters though, he is 5th in the NHL in that stat. Luke Schenn leads the league with 50 more than Jeannot. JP has about half the hits Jeannot has, and of course is a bit less than 4x the salary.
Honestly, the Bolts are a smart team, generally, but what they paid for Jeannot is batshit crazy.
I had brought up Jeannot as a trade target here recently–I had no idea he’d command that type of return.
It was shocking to see. BriseBois is something else. Jeannot will probably turn out great.
Corey Sznajder (shutdown line) shows that Jeannot is very involved in the d-zone, gets tonnes of pressures on the forecheck (although not great at recovering dump-ins), and gets loads of deflections. Just some of the stuff that TB may admire about him.
On record as being a big fan of acquiring Jeannot but the price paid was awfully steep. Seems to be a year where folks are going all in early. Old Dutch might find a gem late as the music stops and the sellers have run out of chairs.
To Munny’s point the Eastern teams have fired their powder.
Chyckrun, Gostisbehere, Schenn, Gavrikov, Gudas, Jensen are all available.
Get a couple of them for a 2nd and a 3rd because there ain’t anybody capable of offering more (Chyckrun obv costs more).
Well, the Knights do have a couple of 1st rounders they can throw around. They’re not getting Kane or Meier, so do they turn their attention to JVR?
Interesting that it is the forwards that are moving first. Is that because they’re in higher demand or because prices were more reasonable? More marquee names, for sure…
But the flip side of the coin is that a lot of ammo has been used up. Not so much in the West, but Avs are short on picks, Vegas on prospects, Calgary on a playoff future… and the Kings & Krak seem focused on net.
I think they’ll need to figure out in the next day or two whether they’re in on either Chyckrun or Karlsson, and if it’s not going to happen they should make a play for Gostisbehere or Gudas, or both.
The Oilers can be very competitive in the West with a more veteran defense corps. Broberg and Desharnais will have to wait their turn. This is the fact of the matter if we’re intent on going for it this year.
I think Lowetide’s trade ideas are acceptable, but I would substitute Yamamoto for Puljujarvi. Yamamoto is definitely the one who should go. Puljujarvi has less replaceable skill set and he makes more of a difference, in my opinion, than Yamamoto does. I think trading Barrie may not be advisable, as he is too much a part of the inner circle. and he is a regular fixture on the best power play in the league. Getting rid of both Barrie and Bouchard would be bold and the move would place a lot of pressure upon the new defencemen to fill the void.
Poile retires within a week of Gazdic’s tampering comments
What did Gazdic say?
said a team mate of his was texting Poile prior to trade deadline asking if he had a spot for him and the next day was traded to Nashville
Gazdic prefaced his story with, “I don’t know if this is tampering”
Munny had it for us
https://globalnews.ca/edmonton/program/inside-sports-with-reid-wilkins/
time stamped even (to 7:52)
I read that McDavid was livid(angry) after the last game.
Oilers need better defence and goaltending before they go anywhere.
This gives us some idea of what Lafferty might cost. He won’t bring what Jeannot did, but a 3rd rounder is not going to do it either. He’s going to cost more than many people think
Perhaps he’s not the target? Though Jeannot did score 24-17-41 last season. Lafferty has nothing like that on his resume.
was thinking that too
Lafferty is just a bigger Archibald, what a mistake that would be..
wow Julien BriseBois sure takes his Penalty Killing seriously!
pays a premium for Goodrow, Coleman, Hagel, Jeannot
of course all these guys can play 5v5 as well
Jeannot on 4v5PK
last year
5.86 blocks/60
2.93 takeaways/60
this year
4.84 blocks
3.08 takeaways
Oiler FW leaders in these categories:
Blocks: Janmark 6.8, Yamamoto 2.91, Ryan 2.48
Takeaways: Ryan 7.45, McDavid 5.36, Janmark 4.08
I wish we had a Jeannot to sell
if any team wants Derek Ryan bidding starts at a first round pick
Ryan wouldn’t bring that, but at these prices, it would probably be a 2nd for Kostin, maybe more.
I wonder what Holland’s last bid on Jeannot was…
Hope they all keep heading East!
yes, nice to have both Horvat and Meier out of the division
Sheng Peng
@Sheng_Peng
Grier, on Karlsson: “At this time, I’m anticipating he’s here for the rest of the season.”
But says if someone wants him, where there’s a will, there’s a way
That Jeannot trade is insane. Tampa paid a higher price IMO than Jersey did for Meier.
I want Holland to upgrade the team in a sensible way, but I’m definitely glad he hasn’t pissed assets away for mediocre talents or expiring contracts.
The prices have been high, but I think there’ll be some deals to be had later in the week.
That under-900k QO is super-attractive for a capstrung team.
Sharks didn’t get garbage. Essentially two 1sts, an A prospect, a B prospect, a young recent NHL graduate and a journeyman role player.
I’m not sure his QO is all that meaningful. I mean, he’s not going to accept hit and he’s arbitration eligible. His crap production this year will mute the potential award, I’m sure, but they can take in to account the 20 goals the previous season….
I was almost certain you were going to point that out after I posted it. I decided to leave it in, regardless, because it does anchor the prices somewhat and I didn’t care that deeply. Of course the main thrust of the point is the Bolts recognized a bargain they could use and went all-in, and I’m pretty sure everyone gets that.
Can someone make that trade make sense? How can a depth guy be worth a prospect and five draft picks, including a first?!!
It makes sense to this guy:
https://www.nhl.com/lightning/team/hockey-staff/michael-peterson
Remember last season it was Brandon Hagel.
The Blackhawks received forwards Boris Katchouk and Taylor Raddysh, and a first-round pick in the 2023 NHL Draft and 2024 NHL Draft that are top-10 protected for Hagel, a 23-year-old forward.
Hagel is on a 3 year deal with a cap hit of $1.5 million.
All he has done this season is 22G 27A 49P in 58 GP.
These guys know what they are doing and aren’t afraid to pay for what they want.
You may not realize, but 58GP 22G, 27A and 49P Hagel is not the same as 56GP 5G, 9A and 14P Jeannott.
Your support of the trade lacks any meaningful insight and is simply an appeal to authority.
“It can’t be a bad trade because Tampa likes him” Isn’t exactly a good defense.
Jeannott scored 24 goals and 41 points last season while playing only 15:59 per game all on a cap hit of $800 K.
Pretty good bet he will do well on one of the highest scoring teams in the league.
(cough…Yamamoto…cough…Puljujaarvi…cough)
So what you’re saying is that Tampa is paying this very high price for Jeannott’s production LAST season? It’s a shame that Nashville didn’t give Tampa the time machine to go back to last year and bring that Jeannott into the present. I guess that is sold seperately.
I could see the logic of Tampa going after Jeannott but I bet you they thought he would be cheaper because of his poorer production this year. But as you said “they get who they want” no matter the cost it seems.
Interestingly, I remember you railing against GMs like Holland for having a similar mentality..
Makes you wonder which teams would have given a better player than Jeannott for the price Tampa paid.
But feel free to keep trying to justify it with your compelling appeal to authority.
I think HH is on pretty solid and reasonable grounds here. The cost was high but the odds of a bounce back also seem quite high in a better role on a better team. If you can mint 15-20G a year at <$2 million you’re laughing as GM.
Not sure this is PWNing the way you want it to.
Age, contract, PK, gamer
edit: btw ‘gamer’? That’s their word not mine. That’s what BriseBois calls the players that they like to acquire, gamers.
7 of the 8 Pacific Division teams lost their last game. The only winners were the last place Ducks. The entire Division ran in place.
Of course, we have Boston next. Joy. Since they were clearly looking ahead to that game, the pedal had better be to the metal tomorrow night.
Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Jeannot is going to TB
Frank Seravalli
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Tanner Jeannot brings back a whopper for #preds. I’m told NSH originally asked for two 1st round picks.
Details:
To #GoBolts: Tanner Jeannot
To #preds: Cal Foote, 2025 1st (Top 10 lottery protected), 2024 2nd, 2023 3rd, 2023 4th, 2023 5th.
Dear lord that is a stunning return for Jeannot.
Rather Ken keeps the powder dry if those are the prices
Par for the course for TBL.
They been trading picks and prospects for years.
Now have only 3 picks (a 6th and two 7ths in the 2023 draft.)
I wonder if they’ll find somewhere to send them so they can save on airfare travelling to Nashville.
The implication, HH, is that another team bid close to that.
The rumoured return is a 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th and a young dman – Foote.
Poile’s last trade deadline is going to leave the Preds flush with picks for years
Already 11 in the 2023 draft and I expect we’ll see a few more if/when they move players like Ekholm and Fabbro as rumoured.
In what world is he worth that much?
I personally think Tampa is over spending on purpose to hike the prices of all the other players on the market. Kind of like Market tampering. (Not the same, but feels Similar to what happened when Jones and Werenski were both signed to $9.5M right before Nurse)
with these prices, I doubt Holland will be grabbing one of the premium (or high octane) options, and instead settles for an unleaded one.
Booo….
The Coyotes play their home games in the Mullett Arena with a capacity of 4400 fans it got me thinking of the Edmonton Gardens. That was the Carrot back in the day if you were good enough you had a shot to win Minor Hockey Week and play the finals at the famous Edmonton Gardens It was such a tight time frame with the games that If a game went to OT it was played with no Goalies. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Campbell haters.
So. In other words, do you think Campbell is better than playing with no Goalies?
Lets be the first team in history to buyout a Goalie that has a record of 17W-8L-4T. With the savings we can give Yamamoto a extension and raise of 5 years because apparently Connor and Leon like him.
So, you are mad at people who think Campbell is not good enough.
With that established, how do you think this season ends continuing playing a goalie with an 0.887 save percentage and a 3.39 goals against average?
Holland won’t buy him out. Maybe next year.
I know he won’t be bought out this year but it’s still on social media and unless Campbell is living with a Amish family he’s read and seen the buyout talk already. Whether are not this lights a fire under his tush or adds more pressure remains to be played out.
Reja, I am genuinely curious as to why you’re a big fan of Campbell over “leaky Mikko” who you had frequently railed against. Mikko’s worst season as an Oiler was 0.899 and Campbell’s currently rocking a .884 with a longer and bigger contract. And Campbell is also letting in goals very early in games which I recall, you said was a big momentum killer when Mikko did it and set a bad tone for the rest of the game.
Reja would rather have a pitcher who is 10-1 with an ERA of 9.87 than a guy who is 2-5 with an ERA of 2.41. The guy who is 10-1 is a winner; probably has a hotter girlfriend, too.
If he goes 22-4 with a 6.23 ERA and the nearest pitcher in wins is 15-5 with a 2.61 ERA. You tell me who wins the Cy Young Award?
He deserves at least 1 playoff. Once the fans and the players have given up on a Goalie he’s done. It’s all about winning you think the players give a shit if they win 6-5 and and add a bunch of points leading to higher contracts. Grant Fuhr would let in 5 Goals but he made the saves at the right time to win games. In those 2 SO losses by Campbell we had more than enough chances to win. Same with the OT game if Campbell is sporting a 20-8-1 record would we be having this discussion.
So we have it in black and white, per NHL.com:
The New Jersey Devils today acquired
forwards Timo Meier, Timur Ibragimov, defensemen Scott Harrington, Santeri Hatakka, goaltender Zachary Emond and a fifth-round pick (originally Colorado’s selection) in the 2024 NHL Draft
via trade with the San Jose Sharks in exchange for
New Jersey’s first-round pick in the 2023 NHL Draft (conditional), defensemen Shakir Mukhamadullin and Nikita Okhotiuk, forwards Andreas Johnsson and Fabian Zetterlund, a conditional second-round selection in the 2024 NHL Draft and a seventh-round selection in 2024.
San Jose will retain 50% of Meier’s 2022-23 salary as part of the trade.
That’s a lot of plane tickets.
Grier is clearing out contracts like a champ! Before the Jaycob Megna trade he was at the max with 50. After the Meier trade he is now down to 48. None of the new NJ players, aside from Meier, will ever see NHL games in New Jersey (if at all). The 3 young players from SJ will all end up in the ECHL, where 2 of them are currently.
This is an amazing haul for the Sharks, especially considering Meier will turn UFA when his contract is up. Okhotiuk could turn into an NHL player, he does have good wheels. Although not much offense.
Meier is an RFA after this season when his contract is up. His QO is $10MM and he could force a one-year $10MM deal that walks him to UFA but he’s not a UFA right away (he will be qualified if they don’t reach an extension agreement prior).
The conditions on the draft picks are as follows:
Shakir Mukhamadullin – 7th ranked prospect in Jersey’s system by Pronman, but he still has Jack Hughes listed due to his age criteria (1st).
Nikita Okhotyuk sound like a distant bell.
https://theathletic.com/3514709/2022/08/25/new-jersey-devils-nhl-pipeline-rankings-prospects/
Pronman also still lists Dawson Mercer (142 NHL games at 20 years old) and Kevin Bahl as prospects although both are playing the NHL.
Still, that was not a great return for the Sharks.
Yeah…there’s an awful lot of noise there but have to remember Meier is effectively a rental and his QO is enormous.
SJ COULD receive 2 1st round picks as well as former 1st Mukhamadullin while Zetterland is already an NHL playe…so potentially 4 players even if the rest are nothing.
Probably not accurate to write Okhotyuk off yet as a distant bell either. Just turned 23 year old defenseman who has played 10 games this season in the NHL. He has more games in the NHL than all but 40 or so in his draft class so still on track for a 61 overall pick.
And it’s not like Fitzgerald got to grind Grier either. He had to offer more than Vegas and some of the earlier bidders who dropped out in the past few days.
Trying to figure out this trade is hurting my head, is there a TLDNR summary of what actually matters?
On Meier at least:
real good player, buddies with fellow Swiss and team Captain, Hischier
rfa at end of season, 10mil qualifying offer, one year to ufa, they are pretty sure he will sign long term there.
current top 6 winger Tatar is ufa at end of season, his 4.5m off the books, helps to pay for Meiers new deal
Tatar btw is 75% 5v5GF!!
Leafs 4-1 over SEA thru 2 periods
Seattle can not win a puck battle in front of Toronto’s net. They get the puck there, but can’t cash.
5-1. This one is looking in the bag. Huge hand up from the OOT scoreboard today.
If only the Blue Jackets could have held on to the 2-0 lead going into the 3rd.
While they paid a lot Good job by Devils to not give up any of their good prospects
Pierre LeBrun
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League trade call is done. Timo Meier is officially a New Jersey Devil.
Friedman said a 1st, conditional 1st, and a handful of names but I can’t type that fast
And he said it was an AHL player currently with SJ that was injured and holding up the transaction
All here :
https://twitter.com/eliteprospects/status/1630020741105086469?s=61&t=VlqaDOpHBHCrZRsbK5pdcg
The WOWY for Gostibhere and Chychrun are very interesting!
Poile and Wilson retire within a year of each other.
I think most hockey fans would consider both good to great GMs. Poile is the winningest GM in the regular season. Both built perennial playoff teams.
Neither ever won a cup. Goes to show how difficult it is to win a cup.
I think the pandemic response and the fragile new normal have taken a lot out of a lot of people.
Do you mean the “Dress Rehearsal for the end of the World”
Friedman about to go live on the 1st intermission of the Leafs game
Trades aplenty!
“a little bit of a hangup…maybe an injury to one of the players involved…not a done deal
-Timo Meier
“Tanner Jeannot NSH scratched for TRR…all signs point to Tampa”
….so not too much that hasn’t been covered here in the last hour
they mentioned the completed trade(s) including the Jack Johnson blockbuster
If Luke Schen is in the conversation, then I think Justin Braun should be too.
His cap hit is only $1MM but he’s got $750K worth of performance bonuses for games played and TOI – I don’t know exactly what they are but, if vested, they hit the cap of the acquiring team as they are calculated at year’s end and that would create a dollar for dollar cap penalty for the Oilers for next season.
The Chicago Blackhawks have traded defenseman Jack Johnson back to the Colorado Avalanche for another shot at the Stanley Cup.
#NHLTradeDeadline #GoAvsGo #Blackhawks
https://nhltradetalk.com/blackhawks-trade-jack-johnson-to-the-colorado-avalanche/
Ha!!! Shots across the bow
How many cup rings does Jack Johnson really need anyhow?
Yes because of him they won the cup. Definitely couldn’t have won without him.
TOR up 3-1 on the Krakheads late in the 1st period
Krakheads lol
Kings fall. That is useful.
Dreger has JVR as the next hot target now that Meier and Barbashev have been moved.
Friedman has other ideas…
Primetime
Reply to Gerta Rauss
February 26, 2023 4:59 pm
I just posted this below. Right on cue Friedman tweets Jeannot being sat out for “trade related reasons”.
LOL. An insider, I am not….
Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Well, I’m not exactly sure where this is going to go…but it sounds like TB has made a pitch for Tanner Jeannot
I agree with LT that there is no chance someone takes Campbell back in a trade as a form of “salary retention”.
However, if that’s the case, what would you think of sending him down to Bako to re-discover his game? He has a NTC not a NMC
I don’t believe it would ruin Oilers reputation, if anything it shows it’s a meritocracy. Tell McDrai you are serious about doing whatever it takes to win now.
Kings fight back to get it 3-2. Rags respond a minute later to make it 4-2 17 mins to play.
5-2. Mika with a powerplay one-timer. Dagger of a goal.
Summarizing!
Petrov picked a pair of aPPles as North Bay was routed 8-2.
Prospecting takes a break until Wednesday.
3-0 now Rags.
Beauty goal by Trocheck. Suck it, Kings.
Quick pulled. Copley enters the game.
So far most of the big fish have headed to or stayed in the East (Tarasenko, Orlov, Meier, O’Reilly). Dadanov and Barbashev aren’t really big fish. None of this makes the Oilers better but none of its competition to get to the finals has upgraded much yet either.
Seems an unusual deadline season thus far. The East, which looks incredibly difficult to come out of this year, has teams spending big on additions. And the West, which is really wide open and should have GMs going for it, instead has the GMs grinding on price.
Not unusual though when the desire is usualy to trade out of conference and the West has more sellers right now… and the better players to sell.
Once the FLA, DET, BUF, NYI guys get it figured out, could see some deal for those who waited.
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Despite being short a Dman, the Blue Shirts go up 2-0 on the Kings early in the 2nd.
Based on the eastern conference standings right now for the 2 wild card spots, things very likely not going to be any clearer in 6 days.
Florida is the one team that might open up. Pitt is lagging in games played (not exactly a fair situation) but Hexie always seems to me like a bit of a wild card, so I don’t count him out of anything.
Two good things here:
1) a talented player goes from the West to the Eastern Conference again. Horvat, Tarasenko, O’Reiñly, and now Meier
Only Vegas for Barbershop and Chicago for Zaitsev have “loaded up” 😏
2) Mike Grier now has four full days without distraction to get a Karlsson deal done
I was typing mine when yours was posted. I forgot about Horvat already.
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Sounds like Scott Harrington is going to #njdevils along with Timo Meier as part of the deal.
As expected Vegas was just there to drive price up for Meier but just don’t have the assets to compete
Raises the question of what they will do with their $7.25 million in cap space.
Blow it
VGK do seem to have lots of empty calories. At least Eichel is there to continue his SC success.
Yeah…that 2016 1st round is looking like a cup wasteland. 😜
2015
No point in saving it.
Match penalty for spitting, K’Andre gone from the Rags — Kings game. that should be an automatic suspension too.
Rags go up 1-0 on another Lafreniere goal.
Even with Poile pulling the parachute, Nashville are not going to retain four years on Ekholm, nor are they going to want unuseful salary back, but he could be available otherwise.
Can’t see how we can make it work unless they really like Barrie and we plan on using Ek on his off-point
Would Kulak be considered unuseful..?…I’m just asking – NSH still has hockey games to play the next 3.5 years
I think if NSH wants to deal before Friday, they’ll have to take salary back/retain- that’s the modern NHL when dealing in-season
If he waits until June, I could see a team taking the whole thing (3 x $6.25), but the return would reflect that.
NJ took on the whole Subban contract in 2019 – 3 x $9M and NSH received 2x 2nd round picks and 2 modest prospects
Ekholm’s cap hit is significantly less, but I’m not sure NSH would be getting untold riches if they wait until June
I think that it’s an even lower chance they love Kulak, and we’re still dealing with term so there has to be some romance there.
They already have Josi and McDonagh for the left side and McDonagh is both untradeable and has a full NTC.
They typically play Ek on the right themselves, from what I’ve seen, and without him they’re uber thin on that side.
Depends if they’re happy with Fabbro too. If they aren’t and don’t want to ante up the QO then an Ekholm trade seems even less likely.
I have to take that last bit back.
While they do play Ekholm a material amount on the right, it only looks to be about 20-25% of his 5v5 time, so “typically” would be incorrect. Most common partner is Carrier, but more than half his time is distributed among the other four dmen. Swiss army knife. The Nuge of Defense, lol.
So you’re saying a D man that could play both sides at 40% of Ekholms cap hit may be useful..?….LoL
I’m not even sure I want Ekholm, but I can see the appeal
I’d like Karlsson, and be willing the pay the futures, I’m less certain I want to tear the current team apart in order to fit him in right now
Ahh, you lost me. Are you saying Kulak can play both sides?
They don’t need that but with $22M playing on the left side, they could certainly be looking to make LHD cheaper. That’s why I thought I’d better correct his usage. Since he is playing the left side, that’s a lot of of cap tied up there
Getting the remainder of Ekholm’s salary from Kulak’s covered will be difficult. Pujo isn’t enough by himself. And now we’re talking more turnover than is optimal.
Is Ekholm enough of an improvement for all that?
I think Kulak has played the right side, although I may just be repeating things I’ve read on the internet LOL
Kulak and Pujo/Yammo is $5.75M…perhaps a 3rd team retains the other $500k..?
It’ll cost Holland assets (after figuring out the money) but Ek in and Kulak out is a wash, so it’s 1 forward out(RW)
*edit – I’ve found a Flames blog that mentions “he plays both sides” and I know I’ve read it several times since we’ve acquired him. I can post the link if you like, but I think we’ll agree he probably is more effective on his left side
For four years? I dunno, now it gets tough again. I don’t think four 5ths is going to swing that. I’m not sure who would be willing.
I wonder too how much the regional TV situation in the US has teams afraid of spending any money they don’t need to.
You’d think we’d be hearing more out of ARI in this regard. but other than the constant Chychrun drumbeat, there’s crickets.
I’m all for Ekholm, have liked him for a long time. But if it takes another forward (other than Pujo) gone somewhere to make this deal work, I’m out. I’d rather wait till summer.
Well, it’s the rest of this year, and then 3 more season left on the contract
And it’s $500k -it’ll cost more than a 5th, but it’s not the dollars being bandied about for retention on the Karlsson contract
Yes, four retains. And normally that’s a 5th-7th draft pick for one year, if memory serves. This whole idea has to be explored by Holland, but like EK, I don’t have high expectations of it getting done.
So I guess the way it’s going there will be no reason to skip work and watch trade deadline coverage Friday morning.
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Hearing Timo Meier to NJ
Again. Never bothers to see if someone has already posted the info. Basically spam now.
they could’ve been posted two seconds apart.
they were posted seconds apart…basically the time it takes to refresh a page
And it sounds like Timo Meier is a Devil
@PierreVLeBrun
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Still pending the official trade call, but hearing that the New Jersey Devils have acquired Timo Meier from the San Jose Sharks
@PierreVLeBrun
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There is no Meier contract extension as part of this. The Devils became comfortable doing the trade without having him signed to an extension as part of it.
I guess we’ll wait and see what the price was – Meier is still an RFA (with a huge QO) so NJ could still move him at the draft if things don’t work out
Yeah…a possibility.
Was reading earlier today that the Devils would be hesitant to sign him to anything above the $8 million AAV they’re paying Jack Hughes.
Market value: $9.8 million.
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1629961728757846016?s=20
JFresh player card.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1629961655978283008?s=61&t=G1SxLCezHNaB2V5HTVgOnQ
Looking at the earlier Seravalli tweet this sounds like it is going to be at least two 1sts plus an equivalent prospect.
Meier could force a 1-year 10 million dollar deal that walks him to UFA status.
LeBrun tweeted it first, then Seravalli.
Apparently, Meier signing an extension was not part of the deal. If he stays unsigned to July, the CBA from 2013 would indicate that Meier’s QO for the Devils to retain his rights would be $10 million (his 2022/23 cash salary), which was well above his average cap hit of $6 million. Can’t recall if that got modified in any of the 2 amendments during Covid. Maybe they are already willing to go to that for 1 year if they can’t extend him otherwise.
The 2020 CBA amendment (limiting a QO to 120% of AAV) was grandfathered and doesn’t apply to Meier.
@FriedgeHNIC
Big breaking story out of Nashville: after 26 years as the Predators’ architect — the most consistent presence in franchise history — David Poile is retiring from President of Hockey Operations & GM position, effective June 30. Expectation is he will remain in a consulting role.
Son of a Bud has had a good run.
It sounds like Barry Trotz will step into the role
As far as how this affects the Oilers – still to be determined, but this kind of ties into Jeff Marek’s comments last night that everybody except Josi, Forsberg, and the goalie are on the table
Sure does. And I’m actually really happy to hear that he and the Preds org are still on good terms with Trotz. That’s a good move for them continuity wise.
Interesting, but the players most often mentioned in regard to Oiler targets (Ekholm, Jeannot, Sissons) all seem like Trotz type of players. Wonder if they are still “available”?
This day was going to come eventually, but Poile departing the Predators is still a bit surreal.
I wonder how this might affect their deadline.
The most galling thing about Holland (reportedly/supposedly) being out on Karlsson is that he has repeatedly gone after guys well past their prime and overpaid for them. Now that there’s finally someone north of 30 that is good enough at his position that the age doesn’t matter much, suddenly he’s conservative when it comes to cost. You give a 39 or 40 year old Mike Smith a two year contract but you won’t get aggressive about sending out assets to bring in a 32 year old (likely) Norris finalist? I understand the cost is proportionately different, but come on!
I don’t think Karlsson is the only target, but for this team it seems to be the the number one target with a bullet. He addresses an area of need and makes your strength stronger simultaneously. Maybe they circle back in the off-season but Karlsson could easily be the difference between winning and losing the cup THIS YEAR.
Of course, none of these other cases where he’s acquired player’s past their prime and even overpaid for them is in any way comparable to what would be required to acquire Karlsson given the required acquisition cost and the required cap structuring cost.
There is nothing similar between a potential trade for Karlsson and his prior trades for, say, Chellios or Hasek.