Tumbling Dice

The Ted Lindsay Award is a valuable item, partly because NHLPA members vote the winner. Nothing like your industry saying you’re the best. Wayne Gretzky won it five times when it was called the Lester Pearson Award, named after a substantial Canadian who did fine works with the UN, became Canada’s prime minister for a time, and handed out cabinet posts to men who would run our nation for decades after his passing. I don’t know much about Pearson, beyond my Dad telling me that he picked the right flag for Canada.

I know the award is important, and that an Oilers player has won it eight times. Five for 99, one for Mark Messier, and two in a row for the fastest man in history. He’s up for the Lindsay and the Hart tonight (McDavid won the MVP in 2017) and it should be a fun evening. The captain spoke about his injury and other things here.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Analyzing the early Edmonton Oilers’ 2019-20 depth chart.
  • New Jonathan Willis: 2018-19 NHL Awards: Finalists, projected winners and snubs
  • New Lowetide: The Oilers’ conundrum in taking Philip Broberg with the No. 8 overall pick
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • LowetideKen Holland’s work week: Fixing the third and fourth lines while saving money and overhauling the penalty kill
  • Jonathan Willis: How are the Oilers affected by early offseason trades and buyouts to Dion Phaneuf, Andrew MacDonald?
  • Lowetide: Falling talent and other fun facts that could benefit the Oilers in the NHL Draft
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Evaluating the pros and cons of potential Oilers buyout candidates
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Jay Woodcroft returning to coach AHL Condors and be reunited with Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: Looking at the Oilers’ options for the No. 8 pick at the 2019 NHL Draft.
  • Jonathan Willis: How many of Sam Gagner, Zack Kassian and Jujhar Khaira can play top-nine minutes for the Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanQ&A with Ken Holland: On the draft, buyouts, free agency and how to have a successful offseason
  • Lowetide: Trading for Loui Eriksson: What makes sense for the Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The top five players the Oilers could lose in the expansion draft
  • Jonathan Willis: What a trade involving Edmonton’s No. 8 pick might look like given Ken Holland’s history
  • LowetideHard Target Search: Finding the Oilers a centre who can penalty kill, help shape a useful third line, and serve in a mentor role

SWEDISH POSTER TALKS PHILIP BROBERG

Due to an enormous number of angry tweets and several posts on this blog forecasting the end times, I’m going to print Swedish Poster’s words and music from earlier this spring. Notice the balanced view the author gives you, and especially the line about his being a safe pick. I’m not a scout, I have Broberg No. 16 on my final list, saying “he’s big and can skate like the wind, while also displaying puck moving ability. Offense may be shy, but Swedish blue can fool you.” As a comparable, I ranked Oscar Klefbom No. 24, saying ” Big, two-way defender. Raw skill set, ISS compares him to Ryan Whitney.” If Broberg is the pick, we’ll drill down and find out about him in July. I think offense is the only real question, and he needs to bring at least some boxcars to make the pick worthwhile. Here’s SP.

The biggest ticket this year is Philip Broberg, 6’3 LHD who can absolutely fly. Skating is the first thing that pops out when you see him, not just amazing top speed but his acceleration is great both from standstill but also how he goes from 4th to 5th gear, he walks the line well and has great mobility in all directions. Against his peers coast to coast adventures are as common as a Gene pun. More interesting is to see him against grown ups in the second swedish tier, Allsvenskan, as he can’t just skate past guys at will at that level.

There you notice that he actually has a pretty good grasp where he should be defensively, breaks up plays, good gaps and moves the puck north not only by skating it up but he actually has a good first pass. As with most swedish D, in particular guys like Broberg who enters the mens ranks at an early age he’s not very physical but he’s pretty good at getting the puck from players either by shielding them off the puck or pokechecks. His shot is ok but not great, wellplaced wrister but needs more oomph to beat NHL goalies, with how explosive his skating is I think the chance he improves in that area is fairly good.

He’s got good puckhandling, not a dangler but controls the puck well at top speed, can make moves around players at high speed with the puck. He’s from the Lidström school of D where you don’t overhandle the puck once it’s under control on your stick and instead wait until you have to move past guys and make dekes to start messing about with the puck. His passing is fine, he moves the puck well technichally both forehand and backhand, as I mentioned he’s got a solid first pass.

Now the big talking point on Broberg and the thing that has people questioning him as an NHLer and thinking he’s one of the most likely players to bust amongst the top picks is his hockey IQ. I personally don’t think it’s a big issue, not elite in any way but not bad either, he knows his way around the ice, reads and reacts well.

Where I do think it stems from is that he doesn’t see the ice all that well offensively. Quite often you see him having those Darnell Nurse moments where he skates the puck into to the offensive zone and then doesn’t know what to do with it so he just keeps skating deeper into the zone, against his peers his skating is so outstanding that he usually can just take it to the net and create a scoring chance, but against tougher competition he often either ends up in the corner or just throws a wrister on net. Defensively and in other areas of the game his awareness is quite good though so I don’t think it’s about a severe lack of hockey smarts.

To my eye it looks like a lack of natural offensive instincts more than anything and that’s what might keep him from being a proper #1 D. There is one small caveat with regards to him lacking offensive instincts though. He’s a guy who’s development kind of exploded the last season and a half, he was a good player in his age group before, made the national teams and so on but something drastic happened with his trajectory once he moved from Örebro to AIK to make him the top name of the group. So what does this have to do with offensive instincts? Familiarity. Going from being a good player to a guy who can suddenly blow up the ice at will to create opportunities is a different situation and one he might need to adapt to in order to find his offensive groove. But with that burst of development you suddenly find yourself playing against full grown pros for the first time in your life and with that comes a whole new set of things to adapt to and providing offense is usually not at the top of the list for a 17 year old in a pro league.

If there’s any truth to this theory there might be untapped potential offensively and then you have a guy with pretty much the whole toolkit to be a #1D. That’s an if though. However as we’ve seen with Darnell this past season you can still be productive with limited offensive vision and instincts if your skating and puckhandling is good enough to move the puck up ice effectively. With that in mind I’d argue the risk he’s a bust is actually miniscule and instead he’s one of the safest picks in the draft. With his insane skating and ability to play defense I just don’t see how he won’t make it as a solid NHL D and even without an offensive uptick I think his upside is a #2 D.

LOTS OF WORK TO DO

HOLLAND’S 2010-11 TEAM

This is a fairly typical Red Wings team in the cap era when Detroit was contending. Mike Babcock was the coach, there were two men age 40, six more 35+ and another five 30+. Hudler was just back from a year with Moscow Dynamo and had a helluva time working his way back into the lineup.

HOLLAND’S 2018-19 TEAM (SO FAR)

Holland’s modus operandi involves employing the aged, so the idea that Sekera or Russell are in the end days with the organization shouldn’t be assumed. Nuge? Miles to go. Holland’s final Red Wings team had TEN players 30+, compared to six on the team he inherits in Edmonton. Holland might add more to the current group.

HOLLAND’S HOME FOR THE AGED

G Mike Smith. This is a possibility. Smith’s regular season even strength SP (.907) was poor but his playoff SP in the same discipline was .938 in five games. He is 37.

G Curtis McElhinney. Although he’s 36 and has posted a journeyman’s career, sometimes goalies go on runs of several years later on. He was rock solid in goal in 2018-19.

G Petr Mrazek. He’s 27, young for the group, but Holland knows him and in 40 games a year ago, Mrazek posted a .914SP.

G Brian Elliott. My personal choice, he posted a .907SP a year ago and is durable and capable of carrying a team on significant winning streaks. He is 34.

FORWARD WISH LIST

1 RW Brett Connolly. Ryan Rishaug mentioned him on the Dustin Nielson Show this morning (TSN1260), that’s a good sign. He can win battles, has skill and can play up and down the lineup.

2 LW Nik Ehlers. He would be No. 1 but I worry about the package required. Would the Jets do a pick and a player? Nurse? Larsson? What about a ‘kids pack’?

3 RW James Neal. As much risk as might be involved, Neal has the kind of skill Edmonton needs. Holland won’t be worried about age, but Lucic has to be part of the package. I wonder about a three-way mind blowing deal between Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver. Can Holland pull that off?

4 LW Tyler Ennis. He shouldn’t cost a lot, brings speed and skill. There’s no downside to this acquisition.

5 LC Nazem Kadri. Dare to dream.

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  1. JimmyV1965 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Philly played 8 different goalies last season. Did you look at his PDO?

    Did you look at his GF% vs elites in 2017-18? 52.6%

    Benning’s a great 3RD.

    Gostisbehere played more % of his ice time vs elites than any oilers D has since Sekera in 15/16.

    Also averages 21.5 minutes/game the past 3 seasons. Benning just over 17. Not sure I understand the comparison

    I have no idea what type of 5 x 5 player Ghost is. Just wondering about your ice time for Benning. According to hockey reference, Benning ATOI last year was 14:57 and 16:17 last three years.

  2. v4ance says:

    RE: Cap next year

    Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC

    There is an expectation it will be between $81.5M and $82.1M

    And the mountain to climb to ditch the Lucic contract just got higher… thanks Chiarelli!

  3. commonfan29 says:

    Can’t wait until the Oilers trade JP for a (probably overpaid) 3rd liner instead of actually using their leverage for once, letting him go to Europe for a while if it comes to that, and then just signing a 3rd liner with the cap savings.

    It never ends with this team.

    Going to be amazing to see the Rishaug tweets that eventually come in advance of the inevitable McDavid trade.

    Might have to get those framed.

  4. v4ance says:

    Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli

    Kevin Hayes received a full no-move clause for the first three years of his deal with #Flyers – which offers expansion draft protection – and a 12-team limited no-trade clause for the remaining years.

    Man Hayes’ agent really kicked the crap out of Philly on this negotiation…

  5. blainer says:

    texmex:
    Darren Dreger

    Verified account

    @DarrenDreger2m2 minutes ago
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    Jesse Puljujarvi has made it clear to the Edmonton Oilers he wants to be traded. He wants a fresh start to his young NHL career. It’s believed the Oilers are willing to accommodate, but won’t give him away and intend on being patient in finding a right fit.

    Jesse for Zacha straight up. IMO I just don’t think Jesse ever felt part of the team from the get go. I really think the language issue hurt him on the communication side while playing with our top players..JMO.. If I were him I would also ask to be traded.. A new start for Jesse and Zacha could really work out for both players..

  6. JimmyV1965 says:

    v4ance:
    Tommi Seppälä @TommiSeppala

    Puljujärvi’s agent Markus Lehto:


    ”It doesn’t make sense to go back where we were last season, it’s not good for either side. Discussions about parting ways have been going on for weeks already. Jesse needs a fresh start and it’s nothing against the Oilers”.

    Well the beans have been spilled so no way to undo it now.Holland needs to go hardball and tell Jesse to sign an interim deal and play well enough to be traded for a viable return or Jesse sits as an unsigned RFA.

    Maybe someone tries an offer sheet of about $2 million for a 3rd round pick but then we should just match.If someone offers more than $2.1 million, take the 2nd round compensation.

    In a cap strapped world, I think it’s beyond unlikely anyone offers JP $2 mill. I do think the argent going public was a mistake. He’s now given Holland an excuse to dig in his heels and wait for what’s best for the team. I think it also increases the likelihood of JP playing a year in Europe, which I believe is best for the team and player.

  7. leadfarmer says:

    Dont trade JP. Make him keep playing until you can get value for him like Duchenne.

    If Mrazek is available I would give him a go. Once upon a time he was a very promising young goalie. Did ok last year. Maybe hes on the upswing

  8. Klima's_Bucket says:

    A new GM and Coach and JP still wants out.
    Maybe he realizes if McDavid and Draisaitl don’t wanna play with him, he’ll never be good enough to feast on opposition from the the 3rd line.

  9. jeetz says:

    pts2pndr: You are still paying three million for nothing for four years. That by math gives your competition approx a 4 percent cap advantage for four years. At the trade deadline in one of the next two years you can get rid of Lucic for far less. Retaining salary and adding players or picks is counterproductive.

    I can see Lucic and our 8th for Eriksson and their10th and a second round pick we take Broberg at 10 and get another forward with an early second round pick. I know people think we need to add to trade Lucic, but Vancouver wants Lucic more than we want Eriksson plus there may be a player available at 8 that Vancouver really wants.

  10. jeetz says:

    v4ance:
    Tommi Seppälä @TommiSeppala

    Puljujärvi’s agent Markus Lehto:


    ”It doesn’t make sense to go back where we were last season, it’s not good for either side. Discussions about parting ways have been going on for weeks already. Jesse needs a fresh start and it’s nothing against the Oilers”.

    Well the beans have been spilled so no way to undo it now.Holland needs to go hardball and tell Jesse to sign an interim deal and play well enough to be traded for a viable return or Jesse sits as an unsigned RFA.

    Maybe someone tries an offer sheet of about $2 million for a 3rd round pick but then we should just match.If someone offers more than $2.1 million, take the 2nd round compensation.

    Puljajarvi’s camp has absolutely no leverage. If the big man wants a trade, show up at camp and build some value up to the trade deadline. Or go back to Europe/Russia and develop for another year.

  11. CrazyCoach says:

    That’s somewhat expected news on JP. Thoise rumours have been circulating for weeks now.

    I read somewhere that perhaps we need to do what Yzerman did with Drouin when he pulled the same thing. Sit tight, let the kid play and jopefully he plays well enough that his value raises enough to get a decent return.

    To pull the trigger on a deal now is dealing from a position of weakness, and I’m tired of seeing players traded away for pennis on the dollar.

  12. thehop says:

    -Draft and develop-

    On the face of it it seems simple. Successful franchises do it with ease.

    For the Oilers it’s draft and destroy.

    Sometimes you develop a history.

    I hope he tears it up elsewhere.

    Fucking Oilers

  13. Rondo says:

    Don’t think Oilers are interested in Broberg at #8. If one of Cozens, Dach or Zegras are available they will choose one of them. If Boldy is available think it’s 50/50 they take him or try to trade the pick to the Flyers #8 for #11 +#41. The wild cards in this draft are Caufield, Podkolzin and Krebs will any of them crack the top 7 picks. I think Flyers like Broberg.

  14. misfit says:

    blainer: Jesse for Zacha straight up. IMO I just don’t think Jesse ever feltpart of the team from the get go. I really think the language issue hurt him on the communication side while playing with our top players..JMO.. If I were him I would also ask to be traded.. A new start for Jesse and Zacha could really work out for both players..

    I like that idea. Plus, if the Devils get Puljujarvi, then Hall becomes expendable!

  15. ArmchairGM says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Sorry, meant to say in 2017-18 he played more % of his ice-time vs elites than any oilers D in the last 3 years (as your list states).

    I just don’t understand how pulling any guy with strong numbers playing 17 minutes a night, nullifies the value of a top pair D. He’s played 1RD and he’s played it well, as recently as last season. Looks as though Ghost took a small step back this year. The entire Philly team did.

    Why is comparing Ghost to Benning any different from comparing Giordano to Troy Stecher in Vancouver? What an arbitrary comparable

    In a million years I wouldn’t call replacing Nurse with Ghost “giving away the farm”

    The guy can’t defend worth a damn. He’s not a 1-anything.

  16. godot10 says:

    jp: I thought RNH was that guy.

    He would be, but I’m not the coach. I’m not allowed to set the lines. Plus, Nugent-Hopkins is here only two more years, so you need his replacement.

  17. ArmchairGM says:

    Rondo:
    Would you trade the # 8 for #11 + # 41?

    In 2008 NYI traded #7 to Nashville for 9 + 40, so your valuation is probably right – DEPENDING ON WHO IS STILL ON THE BOARD AT 8. But of course, PHI traded #41 to SJ in the Braun deal…

  18. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?

    https://theathletic.com/1036540/2019/06/19/are-these-jesse-puljujarvis-final-days-with-the-edmonton-oilers/

  19. Rondo says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Thanks

  20. Reja says:

    thehop:
    -Draft and develop-

    On the face of it it seems simple. Successful franchises do it with ease.

    For the Oilers it’s draft and destroy.

    Sometimes you develop a history.

    I hope he tears it up elsewhere.

    Fucking Oilers

    Never the poor players fault all you have to do is throw a tantrum and you get traded for a bag of pucks.

  21. godot10 says:

    jeetz: Puljajarvi’s camp has absolutely no leverage. If the big man wants a trade, show up at camp and build some value up to the trade deadline. Or go back to Europe/Russia and develop for another year.

    Puljujarvi’s leverage is that he is waiver eligibile. You can’t send him to the AHL without putting him on waivers.

  22. condormcdavis says:

    Reja,

    It’s fairly clear to me that the organization dropped the ball….again… with respect to how they brought Puljujarvi along.

    I don’t blame a 21 year old pro for wanting out of a tire fire. Do you?

  23. LadiesloveSmid says:

    ArmchairGM: The guy can’t defend worth a damn. He’s not a 1-anything.

    Well I suppose we’ll agree to disagree

  24. ArmchairGM says:

    Rondo:
    ArmchairGM,

    Thanks

    What about trading all the way back to 19? Ottawa has two 2nd round picks, maybe they’d give us 19 + 32 + Batherson for 8? I don’t like the idea of trading back, but Holland does have a history and I’m not overly enamored with the guys at 8-10. If someone drops, of course, that’s different.

    Using McKenzie’s list, we’d be giving up Podkolzin or Caufield and getting Kaliyev or Tomasino + Rees or Leason + Batherson. Worth it or not?

  25. jp says:

    godot10: He would be, but I’m not the coach.I’m not allowed to set the lines.Plus, Nugent-Hopkins is here only two more years, so you need his replacement.

    They had a short hot run together last year. They were worse together than apart this season in almost twice the minutes. That’s not on the coach. It’s true Nuge won’t be here forever though.

  26. ArmchairGM says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Well I suppose we’ll agree to disagree

    NEVER!

    😋

  27. ArmchairGM says:

    jp: They had a short hot run together last year. They were worse together than apart this season in almost twice the minutes. That’s not on the coach. It’s true Nuge won’t be here forever though.

    If Holland does some good things and Tippett gets things rolling on-ice, no reason why RNH won’t re-sign.

  28. JimmyV1965 says:

    condormcdavis:
    Reja,

    It’s fairly clear to me that the organization dropped the ball….again… with respect to how they brought Puljujarvi along.

    I don’t blame a 21 year old pro for wanting out of a tire fire. Do you?

    I don’t blame him for wanting out. Going public is another matter altogether. It theoretically reduces the team’s bargaining position.

  29. Profit says:

    I am with some other posters in thinking that the play with JP is to let him sit as an unsigned RFA, but it’s an unfortunate situation. Holland will likely want to set the tone on this one.

    And I’m still on the Broberg false flag / counter trey. IF and it’s a big IF, these rumours are true, then someone deserves to be fired for leaking the info. It’s much more likely IMO that they’re just playing up a rumour which was started on very little actual information. If you know you’re not going to draft Broberg at 8 (i.e. you have a number of candidates on your list above him, such that it’s impossible they’re all drafted), it doesn’t hurt anything by letting this media story spread like wildfire.

    And no to Perry.

  30. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965: I don’t blame him for wanting out. Going public is another matter altogether.It theoretically reduces the team’s bargaining position.

    Going public is the key word Why? If I’m Holland either sign for 1.25-1.5 on a 1 year deal or take your ball and go home. You want to go public with new GM new Coach accept the consequences and show why you we’re drafted number 4 then you’ll get your trade. It’s time to play hardball on this one.

  31. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Pacioretty allegedly on the block already.

    7M x 4 years.

  32. jp says:

    ArmchairGM: If Holland does some good things and Tippett gets things rolling on-ice, no reason why RNH won’t re-sign.

    Yes, absolutely. Hopefully things go well and he’s willing. What’s he going to cost though??

  33. Bag of Pucks says:

    “Jesse has an agent
    Yeah, you know he’s not a good friend of mine
    But lately something’s changed that ain’t hard to define
    Jesse’s asked for a trade and now the playing field is mined.”

  34. Professor Q says:

    Munny: What kind of idiot agent damages trade possibilities by going public?

    Does he happen to have the same agent as Nylander and Zaitsev?

  35. Gerta Rauss says:

    godot10: Puljujarvi’s leverage is that he is waiver eligibile.You can’t send him to the AHL without putting him on waivers.

    JP needs a contract before he gets to that point

    His value has been sewered by his agent, he needs to think about his next move carefully or he may be playing his prime years in Sweden or the KHL

  36. jtblack says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Pacioretty allegedly on the block already.

    7M x 4 years.

    Source? That seems weird cuz he’s a good player but maybe he’s got off ice issues

  37. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM: What about trading all the way back to 19? Ottawa has two 2nd round picks, maybe they’d give us 19 + 32 + Batherson for 8? I don’t like the idea of trading back, but Holland does have a history and I’m not overly enamored with the guys at 8-10. If someone drops, of course, that’s different.

    Using McKenzie’s list, we’d be giving up Podkolzin or Caufield and getting Kaliyev or Tomasino + Rees or Leason + Batherson. Worth it or not?

    I doubt the 8th would be enough to bet Batherson.

  38. McNuge93 says:

    Reja: Going public is the key word Why? If I’m Holland either sign for 1.25-1.5 on a 1 year deal or take your ball and go home. You want to go public with new GM new Coach accept the consequences and show why you we’re drafted number 4 then you’ll get your trade. It’s time to play hardball on this one.

    Agree. I think I remember that Holland played hardball with Athanasiou and he should here as well. The Oilers will not be worse without Pulu on the roster this year.

  39. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: I don’t blame him for wanting out. Going public is another matter altogether.It theoretically reduces the team’s bargaining position.

    It means Jesse doesn’t have to obfuscate answering the question in a language that he is not fluent in, over and over again.

    The agent is clearing the decks for his client.

  40. Reja says:

    Gerta Rauss: JP needs a contract before he gets to that point

    His value has been sewered by his agent, he needs to think about his next move carefully or he may be playing his prime years in Sweden or the KHL

    I like Jesse still think he’s salvageable into a semi part time power forward when he learns his craft. He has done absolutely nothing except being drafted no 4 to demand anything but pepperoni pizza in the locker room after the game or practice is over.

  41. godot10 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Pacioretty allegedly on the block already.

    7M x 4 years.

    Teams and media never learn. And the Edmonton and Toronto media is already pumping Perry for the Oilers.

  42. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Numenius: Jesse needs saving from his agent. This has agent marks all over it. Once again trying to micromanage a young players career.

    His agent sucks burning bags of shit
    I hope the oilers don’t have to deal with this ass clown again

  43. Reja says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: His agent sucks burning bags of shit
    I hope the oilers don’t have to deal with this ass clown again

    Can’t be any worse then Maroon’s agent. Geez Louise

  44. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Rondo:
    BLUE BULLET 2019 NHL ENTRY DRAFT RANKINGS

    https://bluebulletreport.com/2019/06/19/blue-bullet-2019-nhl-entry-draft-rankings/

    He’s got Broberg being about half as valuable as Cozens. Stauff was pretty lukewarm about Cozens on 630 today.

  45. LadiesloveSmid says:

    jtblack: Source?That seems weird cuz he’s a good player but maybe he’s got off ice issues

    Chris Johnston apparently said it on SN960

    https://www.tvasports.ca/2019/06/19/pacioretty-pourrait-bientot-etre-echange

    TVA has something up

  46. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    v4ance:
    Just took a peek at Markus Lehto’s client list at Acme World Sports.

    Along with Puljujärvi, Koskinen and Lagesson are his clients among the Oilers.He also represents Tukka Rask, Filppula, Eaves,Teuvo Teräväinen, Kasperi Kapanen, and the recently traded Pionk.

    With the Kapanen and Puljujärvi negotiations, he won’t be winning many fans in Canada soon…

    I also want to shove turds in his mouth just for being Koskinens agent too

  47. v4ance says:

    Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli

    IF (and it’s a big if) Roberto Luongo does indeed retire: My understanding is the cap recapture penalties previously reported are incorrect. I believe #Canucks would have a charge in the ballpark of $3.03 mil x 3 yrs, while #FlaPanthers would have a charge of $1.09 mil x 3 yrs.

    Thankfully, Lucic isn’t likely to retire within the term of his current contract but man that’s a burn on the Canucks! They thought they had gotten out from under that horrible contract only to have it come back to bite them again!

    Remember, it was Mike Gillis who was the GM who signed that albatross. Thank god he wasn’t hired by the Oilers.

  48. Pretendergast says:

    v4ance,

    it was actually a brilliant contract at the time. Then the rest of the league got butthurt that they got around the rules and implemented the recapture penalty. Gillis cant really be blamed for that. Hes not Lamiorello though. 0 penalty for kovalchuk other than a few draft positions.

  49. texmex says:

    Spector

    Puljujarvi won’t play for Oilers next season. If he’s not traded, he’ll head for Europe.

  50. ArmchairGM says:

    texmex:
    Spector

    Puljujarvi won’t play for Oilers next season. If he’s not traded, he’ll head for Europe.

    Send his ass back to Europe then.

  51. Wolfpack says:

    A year in Europe for Puljujarvi might be the best thing for both parties.

    The more I think about this draft the more I am kind of hoping that the Oilers trade back in the first round and either gain an asset that helps right away or gain themselves some cap relief. OR, ideally, both. From that 8 spot you are looking at a please that is theoretically at least two years away anyway.

  52. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    What a mess. Oilers RW depth chart is looking mighty fine.

  53. texmex says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Draft a D man at 8. Problem solved 😜😜

  54. Pouzar says:

    Sail on Yessa.

  55. Reja says:

    Bold move Holland shows the KGB spy Mac T how it’s done and trades Lucic JP and the no 8 to the Montreal Canadians for ?

  56. pts2pndr says:

    jeetz: I can see Lucic and our 8th for Eriksson and their10th and a second round pick we take Broberg at 10 and get another forward with an early second round pick. I know people think we need to add to trade Lucic, but Vancouver wants Lucic more than we want Eriksson plus there may be a player available at 8 that Vancouver really wants.

    What you propose is reasonable. I hope that Holland waits and makes this deal only after he sees who is available at 8. If Cozens or Dach are available because one of the first seven take Caufield for example it could change the value of eight to where that may not be advantageous.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    I take a flight that doesn’t have wifi and all the comments in the world.

    Very disappointed in this Jesse situation.

    This could and should have gone so differently.

    I blame the org, the player and the agent.

  58. Factotum says:

    I don’t think JP has done anything to earn any kind of leverage with the Oilers. Let him go to Europe.

    We used to say that Yakupov played like he was being chased by bees.

    JP’s play on the ice reminds me of a Labrador Retriever puppy, like he hasn’t grown into his body yet and has no idea how to use his skills. Either that or he has no hockey sense. Maybe it’s both.

    On the other hand, he looks like he’d be a heck of a bandy player. If he’d rather go to Europe than play for the Oilers again, maybe he should check out the Bandyliiga.

  59. blainer says:

    The more I look at video of Broberg the more I would also be OK with this pick. He is not the guy I would take but the way he plays coupled with his skating i would be fine with him at 8.

    There is going to be a fine player available for us in that slot. We need to get it right.

    I’m still good with Caufield but me thinks his size will deter Holland. If Dach is available I bet he takes him before Broberg.

    Gonna be an interesting weekend.

    I also think Holland gets something done on JP pretty quick. Either at the draft or shortly after.

  60. pts2pndr says:

    godot10: Puljujarvi’s leverage is that he is waiver eligibile.You can’t send him to the AHL without putting him on waivers.

    The teams leverage is they don’t have to do anything with him until he signs. Maybe he would like a year off. You play this game Holland should play hard ball. Let his agent find a deal that Holland likes. If he can’t let him sit until he gets an offer sheet then sign him and move him to whatever team offers you the most but not the team that offer sheeted him.

  61. Alpine says:

    There’s a way to request a trade respectfully and saying you won’t play for the team next year is not the way to do it.

    It’s still the Oilers, and they haven’t quite earned the benefit of the doubt, but Holland said he was open to working with Jesse and I don’t think running away from that is the best choice.

    I understand Jesse’s frustration at this point and with the trade request I understood why he might want to try his luck elsewhere after a tough three years. You have to look out for own career and when you can’t get traction with a team it can be hard to think that it will still work out.

    But I disagree with Jesse and his agent trying to create leverage here when he doesn’t have much. It just attracts negativity to the situation. If they told Chia to stuff it , maybe that would make some sense, but he hasn’t even played under Tippett and Holland yet.

  62. condormcdavis says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    This falls squarely on the Oilers. Why folks are blaming him or his agent is beyond me.

    If he was developed properly, neither the player nor the agent have anything to complain about.

    What has me stymied is that there are numerous examples of how to draft and develop European player like Puljujarvi. Rantanen being the prime example.

    We are talking about the Oilers though and if history has taught me anything, it’s that the smartest people in the room are Oilers management, regardless of situation or circumstance.

    Total bullshit imo

  63. Munny says:

    Insisting on a trade, or Europe.

    His agent really doesn’t give two flying, does he?

  64. Lowetide says:

    Craig Morgan
    @craigsmorgan
    ·
    2m
    Per source, former Coyotes assistant coach Jim Playfair has agreed to a deal to join Dave Tippett’s staff as an assistant in Edmonton and coach the defense. Deal should be announced Thursday.

  65. barry.moore23 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: His agent sucks burning bags of shit
    I hope the oilers don’t have to deal with this ass clown again

    This made me smile 😃

  66. Munny says:

    The dice really tumbled today, huh?

  67. jp says:

    Munny:

    The past two yrs he’s been mostly 3RW and 4RW in deployment, playing up some when the injury bug struck the Ducks, but unable to sustain in the top 6.

    His most common line mates in each of the past 2 season, by some margin, were Rakell and Getzlaf.

  68. Reja says:

    condormcdavis:
    OriginalPouzar,

    This falls squarely on the Oilers. Why folks are blaming him or his agent is beyond me.

    If he was developed properly, neither the player nor the agent have anything to complain about.

    What has me stymied is that there are numerous examples of how to draft and develop European player like Puljujarvi. Rantanen being the prime example.

    We are talking about the Oilers though and if history has taught me anything, it’s that the smartest people in the room are Oilers management, regardless of situation or circumstance.

    Total bullshit imo

    I can guarantee you that Jesse has never had a hard-ass Coach like Hitchcock probably scarred him for life.

  69. ArmchairGM says:

    Wolfpack:
    A year in Europe for Puljujarvi might be the best thing for both parties.

    The more I think about this draft the more I am kind of hoping that the Oilers trade back in the first round and either gain an asset that helps right away or gain themselves some cap relief. OR, ideally, both. From that 8 spot you are looking at a please that is theoretically at least two years away anyway.

    One year away is more common.

  70. defmn says:

    Munny:
    The dice really tumbled today, huh?

    I’m not very impressed with the timing of the agent’s tweet. The draft floor this weekend is the most logical time for a trade of this type. He couldn’t wait another couple of days to shoot his mouth off in public?

    If I was Holland I would be tempted to let him go back to Europe just for that.

  71. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pretendergast:
    v4ance,

    it was actually a brilliant contract at the time. Then the rest of the league got butthurt that they got around the rules and implemented the recapture penalty. Gillis cant really be blamed for that. Hes not Lamiorello though. 0 penalty for kovalchuk other than a few draft positions.

    Are you saying they retroactively implemented a cap recapture penalty? That doesn’t seem legal at all. Certainly not ethical.

  72. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Who hates doing this stuff more, Connor or Kawhi?

  73. Gerta Rauss says:

    JimmyV1965: Are you saying they retroactively implemented a cap recapture penalty? That doesn’t seem legal at all. Certainly not ethical.

    Yes, that’s what our National Hockey League did

    They approved/signed off on a handful of contracts-mostly the 10/12 year variety(Luongo,Hossa…I’d have to look up the others)

    Then a new CBA was negotiated, and they identified a handful of contracts they didn’t like, and retroactively applied the cap recapture penalties

    They also changed the formula for “front loaded contracts” – teams are no longer allowed to tack on “fake” years on the end with minimal salary involved. You can still front load a contract, but there is a formula now that defines how much contract dollars can decline year over year

    The Lucic contract doesn’t apply-it was negotiated/approved after the new formula was agreed upon

    Bush league as far as I’m concerned

    https://www.spectorshockey.net/2017/08/possible-nhl-salary-cap-recapture-candidates/

  74. Bag of Pucks says:

    The same thing happened to the Lightning with Drouin, but because it’s Yzerman, the player gets all the blame.

    Sometimes these players consider themselves better than the minors. Makes development a challenge at the best of times, nevermind when there’s language and injury issues.

    Let’s hope Ken can finagle a Sergachev type return. I certainly won’t miss watching any more Puljujarvi ‘lost in space’ style shifts. Maybe Kekkalainen will trade for him? Not!!

  75. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Rondo:
    BLUE BULLET 2019 NHL ENTRY DRAFT RANKINGS

    https://bluebulletreport.com/2019/06/19/blue-bullet-2019-nhl-entry-draft-rankings/

    So if the GMs drafted to this list, we could walk away with Dach and Leason after 2 rounds. Not bad … not bad at all.

  76. Bag of Pucks says:

    condormcdavis:
    OriginalPouzar,

    This falls squarely on the Oilers. Why folks are blaming him or his agent is beyond me.

    We’ve watched him play.

    These lottery picks aren’t supposed to require massive TLC. They’re supposed to be plug & play.

    From the start, JP was exposed as a project instead of a blue chip and unfortunately for him, projects need to buy into marinating in the A. This player’s perception of his game doesn’t jibe with the on ice production.

  77. McSorley33 says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Just meaning, the only reason Oiler fans are knashing their teeth at Broberg, is the Oiler media employees and local media who have been uttering his name.
    ( Rishaug again today and Matty)

    Agree with you , there is no way the Oilers take Broberg.

    I have heard no mention of other middle first round prospect D – like Soderstrom, Seider or Harley, being selected 8th overall.

    Of course, usual caveats , draft never goes as planned, etc

  78. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: I also want to shove turds in his mouth just for being Koskinens agent too

    I have this habit of visualizing what I read almost instantaneously … it’s often good for a few laughs in a 3 stooges sort of way.

  79. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: His agent sucks burning bags of shit

    This too, of course.

  80. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    What a mess. Oilers RW depth chart is looking mighty fine.

    Agreed. It’s moments like this that we can look at the LW depth chart for a bit of solace … oh, wait … well FTS.

  81. Oilpower says:

    Let JP go to Europe, keep his rights and if he gets his game together try again. It seems doubtful he is worth anything in a trade that will help the team next year, or anytime soon. And Holland is in no rush, he will have JPs rights for what the next 5 years! Stupid move by JP and agent, maybe he needs to dig in and up his value then ask for a trade!

  82. McSorley33 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Bloody good…..

  83. leadfarmer says:

    They finally had JP in Bakersfield and on the correct path
    And here came dusty old relic
    “I’ll fix him, bring him back up”

    I do want to see the Oilers not cave on his demands but that is not the Oilers thing to do.
    Best of luck in your new home
    Hope at least we get a decent young player out of the deal
    Like Samsonov

  84. Bag of Pucks says:

    I didn’t know where this myth came from that the Oilers can’t develop players?

    The only players that did better after leaving swallowed their ego and accepted a lesser role elsewhere (Cogliano, Comrie, Schultz, etc.). Dubnyk is the obvious exception but…voodoo

    The Oilers have develped many fine players including numerous players that failed to develop elsewhere.

    From Bonsignore to Puljujarvi, what this org actually sucks at is drafting.

    Imo Jesse owns much of his development issues for resisting the minors and not addressing his language deficicencies. But the root cause here is that he was simply a poor lottery pick. Dubois and Tkachuk have been plug & play by comparison.

  85. JOFA says:

    Connor not the best in the league? Hmmmm.

  86. Reja says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: This too, of course.

    Note to Jesse’s Agent get him something similar to what’s sitting next to Connor and he’ll be going end to end rushes for goals on a nightly basis.

  87. Rebillled says:

    Markus Lehto fleeces Chia with Koskinen and now Pizza Party wants out?

    All signs point to Nuge definitely sleeping with this guys wife.

  88. GMB3 says:

    As per a Finnish article that had some key points pointed out by a Finnish twitterite, JP’s agent says it isn’t just management. That the player isn’t a fit with the team.

    JP seems like such a lovable character from what we see, and this makes me wonder what goes on behind closed doors. There must be things about him some of the key guys on the team don’t like, and I wonder if it’s his work ethic. Spector made note about his lack of drive to succeed at this level.

  89. Munny says:

    jp,

    You are correct. This stories of when he was demoted down the lineup must have imprinted on me too deeply (or too wishfully Is probably closer to correct). The important thing about my original reply was that he is not a Center, And I’d add, he has nowhere near the wheels to play on our top line.

    I love him like Gerta loves him. Like a mother loves a butt wart.

  90. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    JOFA:
    Connor not the best in the league? Hmmmm.

    JOFA,

    NHL is a joke…

    Edit: I know the players voted, but anyone that has followed the Bolts would know that their team was stacked. I’m not sure Kuch gets 100 points on a non-playoff team. McDavid however, has been playing on a shit team and still puts up top league numbers.
    Imagine if he played for the bolts instead… he probably would have topped 150 points!

  91. digger50 says:

    I am enjoying the draft lead up.

    And I keep hearing we must develop through the draft. Just one problem, it’s not working that well.
    Jessie P, Yamamoto, Bouchard. I’d trade them all for one Trouba. There is more than one way to build, and no gaurentees at #8 let alone #4. (Or #1 if you throw in Yak)

    Now we have an extremely valuable#8 and we are thinking about a defenceman? With uncertainties?
    Seems a little foolish to me. This pick must be risk adverse, they have to find a player here.

    I’m not married to trading the first, I just present it as a different (but unpopular) option.

    I have Boldy jumping into the top 10 and Zegras falling to Oilers. I do believe Oilers should hunt up skilled players to build lines around before focusing on more one dimensional contributors. They cannot afford to blow this pick.

  92. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny: I love him like Gerta loves him. Like a mother loves a butt wart

    I’ve got/had all kinds of time for the kid…his value was next to nothing so the logical thing to do was sign him and play him and hope for the best

    Now, his value is even less if you can believe that

    Trade him if you can get reasonable value, if not, wish him well in Europe and hope he scores 50 goals so you can recoup something for him

    What a waste of a 4OV pick

  93. Munny says:

    defmn: I’m not very impressed with the timing of the agent’s tweet. The draft floor this weekend is the most logical time for a trade of this type. He couldn’t wait another couple of days to shoot his mouth off in public?

    If I was Holland I would be tempted to let him go back to Europe just for that.

    Monumentally stupid move by Lehto.

  94. pts2pndr says:

    Reja:
    Bold move Holland shows the KGB spy Mac T how it’s done and trades Lucic JP and the no 8 to the Montreal Canadians for ?

    Hudon and #13 no salary retained.

  95. Jaxon says:

    Puljujarvi’s agency also reps Teemu Hartikainen, Jesse Joensuu, and Iiro Pakarinen so his players going back to Europe is a bit of a pattern with Edmonton. He also reps current Oilers Mikko Koskinen, and William Lagesson.

  96. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    Lol, that was about Corey Perry!!

  97. Reja says:

    pts2pndr: Hudon and #13 no salary retained.

    If Lucic goes I hope it’s to a eastern team Habs would be perfect

  98. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    But agreed on Pujo.

  99. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny

    Lol, that was about Corey Perry!!

    Lol…oh dear

    I was blinded by my hatred of Mike Smith

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Holland wants to accommodate Jesse/his agent but I doubt he pulls the trigger on a trade that doesn’t bring some solid value back for the team. If that’s not available currently then Jesse will need to raise his trade value by on-ice performance. If he refuses to sign then he can sit or head back to Europe. We will retain his rights for a while and he can increase his value over-seas.

    Shitty situation but, at the end of the day, we aren’t losing anything from last year’s lineup but its disappointing because this player could have (and could still have) a bright future as an Oiler.

  101. Chris says:

    The dude with the stache doing comedy is pretty funny. The Sid bit had me laughing.

  102. Hockey Project says:

    Maybe I’m a pessimist… I think that Connor is the best player in the NHL, and I think that pretty much everybody knows it, but that it won’t matter one little lick tonight. My assumption is that he walks away empty-handed.

  103. Chris says:

    Where would Edmonton be without McDavid? Where would the Penguins be without Crosby? Where would TB be without Kuch? Hands down McDavid should’ve won the Heart.

  104. Slocanoil says:

    Jaxon,

    Thanks, appreciated.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    Dont trade JP.Make him keep playing until you can get value for him like Duchenne.

    If Mrazek is available I would give him a go.Once upon a time he was a very promising young goalie.Did ok last year.Maybe hes on the upswing

    I like Mrazek but I feel he’s going to want (and will get) 4-5 years at $4M or so.

  106. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer:
    They finally had JP in Bakersfield and on the correct path
    And here came dusty old relic
    “I’ll fix him, bring him back up”

    I do want to see the Oilers not cave on his demands but that is not the Oilers thing to do.
    Best of luck in your new home
    Hope at least we get a decent young player out of the deal
    Like Samsonov

    Stauffer floated the idea of a Burakovsky trade today.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: What about trading all the way back to 19? Ottawa has two 2nd round picks, maybe they’d give us 19 + 32 + Batherson for 8? I don’t like the idea of trading back, but Holland does have a history and I’m not overly enamored with the guys at 8-10. If someone drops, of course, that’s different.

    Using McKenzie’s list, we’d be giving up Podkolzin or Caufield and getting Kaliyev or Tomasino + Rees or Leason + Batherson. Worth it or not?

    I’m not sure they’d give up Batherson straight for the 8th.

    He’s had a more productive 20-year old season in the AHL than Benson.

  108. Hockey Project says:

    Leon picked up All-Star team votes at every forward position. lol

  109. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: I like Mrazek but I feel he’s going to want (and will get) 4-5 years at $4M or so.

    Probably which would have been ok if we didn’t sign Koskinen

    I could see them trading JP for Burakovsky but I would want a little more and I really like Burakovsky

  110. v4ance says:

    Hockey Project:
    Leon picked up All-Star team votes at every forward position.lol

    If his name was Ovechkin, he’d have been first at every forward position!

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    condormcdavis:
    OriginalPouzar,

    This falls squarely on the Oilers. Why folks are blaming him or his agent is beyond me.

    If he was developed properly, neither the player nor the agent have anything to complain about.

    What has me stymied is that there are numerous examples of how to draft and develop European player like Puljujarvi. Rantanen being the prime example.

    We are talking about the Oilers though and if history has taught me anything, it’s that the smartest people in the room are Oilers management, regardless of situation or circumstance.

    Total bullshit imo

    The agent is largely to blame because it seems highly evident, although not confirmed, that he had a large role in forcing aspects of the player’s development. I usually don’t buy in to this type of thing as the team controls where the player plays and how he’s deployed but it seems likely that the agent forced certain things in order to get Jesse to sign – staying on the NHL roster for 40 games to burn through an accrued season towards UFA, creating the 2 year bump in his waiver eligibility 5 to 3 years, etc. It seems the agent has done everything possible to force the org to push him through all the CBA barriers that are really there for the benefit of these prospects.

  112. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Before we couldn’t imagine trading a lottery pick.

    Posters talk about the Oilers and how they fail.

    The Oilers are now different. Holland doesn’t come in with restraints. Better? We’ll see.

    It is better to trade a lottery pick now, before the evidence is out.

    I believe Holland has enough experience to say he wants to sign regardless of his intentions.

    We aren’t used to competence.

    We aren’t used to a balanced approach. UFA, draft, trade. There is no formula,it’s a fluid situation that a good GM assess constantly.

  113. Glovjuice says:

    Pescador: Judging from previous returns, failed top 5 Oiler prospects are worth a 3rd & a conditional 5th.
    It does beg the question who was more productive at this point in their career Yak or Yessa?

    At least Yak was up for the Calder wasn’t he?

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    I am enjoying the draft lead up.

    And I keep hearing we must develop through the draft. Just one problem, it’s not working that well.
    Jessie P, Yamamoto, Bouchard. I’d trade them all for one Trouba.There is more than one way to build, and no gaurenteesat #8 let alone #4. (Or #1 if you throw in Yak)

    What has not worked with Bouchard at this point? He wasn’t even drafted a year ago.

    Yamamoto just finished his first pro season and his draft plus 2 year – injuries aside, his development is on track for what one should reasonably expect from a 22nd overall pick. This mistake here was, once again, the org giving him NHL games in his draft plus 1 and draft plus 2 years.

    Thankfully, new management expresses the need to put these players directly in the AHL.

  115. HT Joe says:

    Glovjuice: At least Yak was up for the Calder wasn’t he?

    Yak led the team in goals that one year…

  116. Pouzar says:

    Jim Matheson@NHLbyMatty
    50s51 seconds ago
    More
    Ken Holland on Jesse Puljujarvi: “I’m not giving a player away because they’re unhappy. No way. If I trade any player I have to get fair value or I’m not doing it. I’m not trading a player to get him out of my hair.”

  117. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Pouzar:
    Jim Matheson@NHLbyMatty50s51 seconds ago
    More
    Ken Holland on Jesse Puljujarvi: “I’m not giving a player away because they’re unhappy. No way. If I trade any player I have to get fair value or I’m not doing it. I’m not trading a player to get him out of my hair.”

    He’s just gotten here, but I’m really liking Ken Holland.

  118. Rondo says:

    “Philip Broberg’s ranking has been the topic of much debate, with some seeing him as top 10 talent, while others believing he slots into the second half of the first round. Current buzz however suggests teams at the top of the draft are buying the former. What’s your evaluation of Broberg? Do you see him having that number one D projection that makes one worthy of a selection that high?

    For my tastes, no, I don’t see a number one NHL defenseman here.

    I see a big athletic kid with room to grow who is quite young for this draft (first turns 18 on June 25) and who really likes the idea of producing as a blueliner. Playing a whole season for an Allsvenskan club means that he’s ahead of the curve in general, but it also showed that he’s got plenty to learn. His international showings were very promising offensively, but there may be a long learning curve here and in order to adequately handle NHL duties as hopefully a top three defenseman, he’s probably going to have to sacrifice some of that lust to produce that he shows when playing against his peers. And yet, that potential offense is exactly what has some people licking their chops.

    My feelings about his actual upside is a reason I concur with those who strongly feel that outside of Byram, teams picking in the top 10-to-12 should probably still be sticking to the many offensive weapons available.”

    https://flamesnation.ca/2019/06/19/2019-nhl-draft-scout-series-sweden/

  119. Pouzar says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: He’s just gotten here, but I’m really liking Ken Holland.

    That quote did a LOT for me.

    Now hire some Gorddamn data analysts FFS!!!

  120. jp says:

    Pescador: Judging from previous returns, failed top 5 Oiler prospects are worth a 3rd & a conditional 5th.
    It does beg the question who was more productive at this point in their career Yak or Yessa?

    Puljujarvi’s career scoring sits at 139-17-20-37 after his first 3 seasons (will it ever move from those totals??).

    Yakupov was 48-17-14-31 in his rooking year and 192-42-46-88 by the conclusion of year 3.

  121. Munny says:

    Pouzar: Jim Matheson@NHLbyMatty
    50s51 seconds ago
    More
    Ken Holland on Jesse Puljujarvi: “I’m not giving a player away because they’re unhappy. No way. If I trade any player I have to get fair value or I’m not doing it. I’m not trading a player to get him out of my hair.”

    Huge. We have a GM.

  122. Munny says:

    The next thing I want to hear from Ken Holland is, “I’m a real patient man… I mean it could be years of Pujo performing well in Europe before I can recover reasonable value on that pick, if ever. But if I have to wait, I will.”

    This public request is such an immature rookie move, I have to believe it is not coming from the agent. And if it is, the smart thing to do would be to fire him. Not the team.

  123. Reja says:

    Munny:
    The next thing I want to hear from Ken Holland is, “I’m a real patient man… I mean it could be years of Pujo performing well in Europe before I can recover reasonable value on that pick, if ever.But if I have to wait, I will.”

    This public request is such an immature rookie move, I have to believe it is not coming from the agent.And if it is, the smart thing to do would be to fire him. Not the team.

    Maybe he’s so unhappy playing in Edmonton and the NHL that he’s killing all his value so he can go back to Europe and do his thing.

  124. jp says:

    Pouzar:
    Jim Matheson@NHLbyMatty50s51 seconds ago
    More
    Ken Holland on Jesse Puljujarvi: “I’m not giving a player away because they’re unhappy. No way. If I trade any player I have to get fair value or I’m not doing it. I’m not trading a player to get him out of my hair.”

    This is really nice to hear.

  125. v4ance says:

    Dennis King @DKingBH

    This is likely a dumb move by the player and agent. There is a new GM and new coach to impress and work with. You have little value on the market. You’re putting the GM, the new GM, in a terrible spot. He can bury you and you kinda, mostly deserve it

    speeds @hockeysymposium

    If you were holland and say to Jps agent (maybe he already has):
    By playing for EDM next year, JP would likely make more than in Europe, gain arbitration rights for summer 2020, and qualify for UFA status a year earlier than if he plays in Europe.

    you dont think that helps?
    perhaps in addition to “I’m sorry you weren’t happy with things under Chiarelli, we will have a different approach and view you as a core team member, please give us a year to prove it to you, if you still want out, we can talk about it in summer 2020.”

    Great conversation on twitter… totally agree with Speeds and Dennis.

  126. Yakupov me says:

    I may get roasted for asking but…Does JP and Nuge get you Marner? And could we afford it? I’d love to see Marner on line 1 and on special teams.

  127. Professor Q says:

    Yakupov me:
    I may get roasted for asking but…Does JP and Nuge get you Marner?And could we afford it?I’d love to see Marner on line 1 and on special teams.

    You won’t get roasted, but that would certainly be a bold trade indeed. I’m not sure if it helps the C scenario but it does help McDavid and his wings.

    I’m not sure Dubas goes for it unless maybe a 4th is included also, as much as I love and respect Nuge.

  128. Yakupov me says:

    Professor Q,

    I figured the money would come into play on both sides. It saves TO ~4 million per year but I’m not sure EDM could take on another $11m player and still fill the bottom half of the roster.

  129. Pouzar says:

    Interesting take from my 2 Jets season ticket holder buddies.
    They are adamant that Kyle Connor > Ehlers.

    I told them the fancies and rel fancies tell a different story.
    I always love the divergence of the fancies and “seen him good/bad”.

    I love Ehlers the player…”on ice” player I mean.

  130. Professor Q says:

    Pouzar:
    Interesting take from my 2 Jets season ticket holder buddies.
    They are adamant that Kyle Connor > Ehlers.

    I told them the fancies and rel fancies tell a different story.
    I always love the divergence of the fancies and “seen him good/bad”.

    I love Ehlers the player…”on ice” player I mean.

    And doesn’t Kyle Connor also want out? Or was that Roslovic?

    What has gone on in Winnipeg that has soured so many players? Even before Kane vs. Byf.

  131. Pescador says:

    jp: Puljujarvi’s career scoring sits at 139-17-20-37 after his first 3 seasons (will it ever move from those totals??).

    Yakupov was 48-17-14-31 in his rooking year and 192-42-46-88 by the conclusion of year 3.

    Thanks,
    Wow, we thought Yaks value was low when he was traded.

  132. Coiler says:

    The ghost of Chiarelli strikes again. I wonder how long it’s going to take to get rid of the stink he left behind on this organization. In my opinion this is all on him, JP’s agent, and the player himself. False promises, terrible advice, and bad management has led to this predicament.

    I can’t believe his agent would spout off like this right before the draft…he’s doing himself and his client a huge disservice. I find it hard to understand the logic behind going public like this as it could have been handled on the down low quite easily. I think this was a deliberate effort to try and hurt the team and that’s inexcusable.

    Holland has all the leverage in the world and I hope he uses it wisely. Let the kid fester in the KHL if need be. NHL teams/GMs remember problem children and their agents. They won’t want that sort of headache on their team.

  133. Pouzar says:

    The GF% for Scheifele/Wheeler WOWY Ehlers is mindnumbingly bonkers. Wow!

    Scheifele:
    63/43

    Wheeler:
    64/44

    WTF?

  134. Pouzar says:

    Professor Q: And doesn’t Kyle Connor also want out? Or was that Roslovic?

    That’s Roslovic, That’s been kinda of tempered recently. More of a hissy fit. I don’t think he gets moved unless it’s a straight up hockey move.

  135. Pescador says:

    Coiler,

    Another example of a player agent dictating terms & making a bitch out of Chiarelli.
    What a pussy

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