Options

Ken Holland is weighing his options now and we’re left to wonder how many he has at this point in summer. This roster is going to change, but let’s check in for our first RE estimate and see how this thing shines.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: What to do when Connor McDavid rests: The Oilers’ ideal No. 2 line for 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Adding a scorer will be Ken Holland’s first big move as Oilers GM
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the Oilers’ depth chart looks like now and where they go from here
  • Jonathan Willis: How often do goalies like the Oilers’ Mike Smith rebound?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s roster moves clear the way for Oilers top prospects Tyler Benson and Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A deeper look at Mike Smith’s comments after signing with the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers GM Ken Holland promises long-term rewards for an approach light on short-term improvements
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Trade market now most likely place for Oilers to find scoring winger
  • Lowetide: Oilers add free agent Markus Granlund, creating a crowded depth chart at left wing
  • Jonathan Willis: Tomas Jurco is a nice little reclamation bet by the Oilers.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How re-signing winger Alex Chiasson impacts the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Oilers add Mike Smith to an uneasy goalie depth chart for 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Oilers buy out Andrej Sekera, look to a more dynamic free-agent frenzy.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘He comes as advertised’: Philip Broberg’s skating makes him development camp standout for Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers plan to skew younger on defence could open the door for Evan Bouchard, Dmitri Samorukov
  • Lowetide: Taking stock of Oilers prospects ready to graduate with a clear shot at an NHL job in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.
  • Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?

Todd McLellan: “Volume shooting, I don’t know what that does to Corsi or Fenwick because I don’t even know what those things are, but volume shooting is important. I think it breaks down defensive zone coverages, gets players out of position, taxes the opposition, makes them play more minutes in their zone.”

RE 2019-20 ESTIMATE

Looking long and hard for volume shooters to elevate to a skill line is damned difficult for the current Oilers. Tyler Benson (2.54 shots per game in the AHL), Joakim Nygard (2.94 shots per game in the SHL) and Sam Gagner (8.13 five-on-five shots per 60) are candidates for feature roles, but it’s a moving target for this Oilers team. He’s my first attempt at RE for 2019-20, understanding changes will come.

Leon Draisaitl [41]—Connor McDavid [44]—Zack Kassian [13]
Milan Lucic [9]—RNH [23]—Alex Chiasson [12]
Markus Granlund [11]—Gaetan Haas [7]—Joakim Nygard [10]
Jujhar Khaira [7]—Colby Cave [4]—Sam Gagner [10]
Tomas Jurco [7]—Cooper Marody [4]
Oscar Klefbom [8]—Adam Larsson [3]
Darnell Nurse [8]—Kris Russell [2]
Caleb Jones [2]—Matt Benning [5]
Brandon Manning [0]
Mikko Koskinen [.912]—Mike Smith [.905]

My estimate has Edmonton scoring 230 goals, allowing 252. That’s a massive year over year improvement, most of it defensively. In 2018-19, the Oilers were 229-271 (-42) and my initial 2019-20 RE has the team -22, owing mostly to a massive improvement in goals against (+19 season over season). How will they get it done? I’m giving a lot of credit to Dave Tippett and shot suppression. In the Coyotes final season before Tippett, the team allowed 2591 shots. The following year? 2427. He also increased shots for by 200, but the Oilers currently employ a group who are unlikely to take full advantage. We’ll see what the summer brings in terms of roster improvement.

There are some concerns, mostly surrounding how much time on ice Broberg will receive. Oscar Klefbom played 33 games in the SHL in draft +1, seeing the ice 13:44 per game and scoring 2-0-2.

All our trials, lord, soon be over. McDavid healthy is absolutely vital for a team that has so little going on. I don’t buy the idea that he’s going to ask for a trade next summer if the team misses the playoffs, and I sure as hell don’t believe Ken Holland would grant his wish if the request were made. However, a full season without McDavid gets Edmonton in Alexis Lafrenière territory. If that happens, and it could, the Oilers get another ridiculous talent and who knows what happens.

LUCIC TRADE?

Kurt Leavins reported yesterday ” The next $3m bonus for Milan Lucic is payable July 17th”  and then opined on the possibility of a trade that saved some cap room for Edmonton. Music! Would you trade Lucic and Jesse Puljujarvi for Brandon Sutter? Same package for Zack Smith?

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Would you trade Lucic and Jesse Puljujarvi for Brandon Sutter? Same package for Zane Smith?

    For Sutter yes.

    I have no idea who Zane Smith is, but yes.

    I would trade Lucic and Puljujarvi for Clarkson’s last year of Cap Hit and no player.

    I would trade Lucic and Puljujarvi for a ham sandwich without mustard.

    I would trade them in a tree and I would trade them to a bee.

    I would trade them in a hurry, I would trade them to a Furry.

    Getting Lucic’s cap hit off the books is critical.

    Getting back a slightly overprice but Actual NHL 3C in Sutter who has only 2 years left is beyond ideal.

  2. supernova says:

    Would I trade Lucic & Puljujarvi for Brandon Sutter or Zack Smith?

    I am very patient with prospects. My preference is to hold on to Puljujarvi. Let him play in Europe for a year or two, let him get healthy, Happy and mature.

    However if you can combine him with Lucic for cap relief in the next 2 years plus get out from under term. I would.

    Having Cap room should be looked at as an asset. As long as you know how to use that asset.

  3. knighttown says:

    There are very few people on this planet I wouldn’t trade Lucic and Puljujarvi for. And if they happen to know how to skate…added bonus.

  4. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown:
    There are very few people on this planet I wouldn’t trade Lucic and Puljujarvi for.And if they happen to know how to skate…added bonus.

    I would trade them for you even if you had two years left to run on a $5MM contract and had to dress and play 10 min/game.

  5. knighttown says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Would you trade Lucic and Jesse Puljujarvi for Brandon Sutter? Same package for Zane Smith?

    For Sutter yes.

    I have no idea who Zane Smith is, but yes.

    I would trade Lucic and Puljujarvi for Clarkson’s last year of Cap Hit and no player.

    I would trade Lucic and Puljujarvi for a ham sandwich without mustard.

    I would trade them in a tree and I would trade them to a bee.

    I would trade them in a hurry, I would trade them to a Furry.

    Getting Lucic’s cap hit off the books is critical.

    Getting back a slightly overprice but Actual NHL 3C in Sutter who has only 2 years left is beyond ideal.

    Getting the ham sandwich WITHOUT godforsaken mustard is a bonus. Mustard is the Lucic of condiments.

    I’d move Lucic and Jesse for one of those new sour craft beers that are all the rage among people without taste buds.

  6. HT Joe says:

    Good morning everyone! Drinking coffee and catching up with Lowetide – perfect morning combination (thanks).

    Lowetide said “I don’t buy the idea that he’s going to ask for a trade next summer if the team misses the playoffs, and I sure as hell don’t believe Ken Holland would grant his wish if the request were made.”

    I don’t believe McDavid will demand a trade during the summer of 2020, but if the Oilers end the 2020-2021 season outside of the playoffs too, I would be surprised if McDavid didn’t demand a trade.

    Hockey players have relatively short careers. If the Oilers miss the playoffs in 2020 and 2021, the best player on the planet will have just pissed away his 6th season on a hopeless team. Crosby won his first cup in season 4. And before Ovechkin is referenced as a comparable (taking many years to get his first cup), starting in his 3rd season in the league, the Capitals made the playoffs in 11 of 12 seasons.

    And in 2021, the Oilers will be losing Larsson and RNH to free agency… if the 2020-2021 Oilers team isn’t good enough to make the playoffs, how will the 2021-2022 team do better without those two?

    Also, if McDavid requests a trade, Holland has to trade him. McDavid is the most coveted team in the league, and with other players signing in the $10-$11.5M range, McDavid’s relative value will only climb. If Holland refuses to trade McDavid, McDavid will be forced to make his request public, which would reduce his trade value. If Holland’s response to a public McDavid trade request is to sit the best player on the planet and not play him, Bettman would apply any pressure within his power to make the face of the NHL happy.

    2 years is a long ways off, but the Oilers are currently constructed in a way that makes them a long ways off from being good enough to make the playoffs. Let’s hope Holland does bring in a 3C this summer and that many of the rookies that will play in Oiler silks this season knock it out of the park… the Oilers need to start making the playoffs in the worst possible way.

  7. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    supernova,

    Would I trade Lucic & Puljujarvi for Brandon Sutter or Zack Smith?

    Ah, Zack Smith.

    Yes, I would do that.

    I would trade them in a bar, I would trade them very far.

    I would trade them in a boat, I would trade them to a goat.

    I would trade them in a house, I would trade them to a mouse.

  8. BONE207 says:

    If the RE artist is up for votes, Pink Floyd would work for me. My hopes for this upcoming season have me on the Dark Side of the Moon. Too many bets would have to work out again. Too much faith in coaching/goal tending as well as some untried bets from Europe. As long as Connor is ok & the young talent from Bakersfield gets tested in games, I guess I’ll wait for another year.

    Damn this sounds like the current weather…

  9. Marc says:

    That Leavins piece prompted me to dig around a bit for guys that could conceivably be traded for Lucic that would actually lead to cap savings for the Oilers. A couple possibilities caught my eye.

    Michael Grabner’s actual salary ($3.775M) is $450K higher than his cap hit and $775K more than Lucic this season after the bonus gets paid. He’s probably on the third line in Arizona this year.

    Similarly, Mark Pysyk’s actual salary ($3.5M) is $767K higher than his cap hit and $500K more than Lucic this season after the bonus gets paid. With the Stralman signing he’ll be Florida’s 3RD next season.

    Would Cup winning leadership, plus actual salary savings in the short term (plus maybe Puljujarvi) be enough to get either team to bite?

  10. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown: Getting the ham sandwich WITHOUT godforsaken mustard is a bonus.Mustard is the Lucic of condiments.

    I’d move Lucic and Jesse for one of those new sour craft beers that are all the rage among people without taste buds.

    A ham sandwich without mustard is an abomination and an insult to the pig.

    I would trade them for two cases of those awful super hoppy IPAs that people drink, then grimace and lie about how much they like it because it matches their beard even if each case of beer had two years left at $3MM/yr.

  11. Glovjuice says:

    Heading to a celebration for a passed 96 year old great, great grandmother today (yes, five generation photos were taken) on the same day that we expect another little one to emerge from my sister in law. Partied last night with two glorious albums cranked to the max: Lamb Lies Down on Broadway by the mighty Genesis and Pornography from the impossibly great The Cure. This morning; the underrated A Head Full of Dreams by Coldplay. Melodies about from this band. In 2 years the Oilers defence will be the best in the NHL.

  12. knighttown says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I would trade them for you even if you had two years left to run on a $5MM contract and had to dress and play 10 min/game.

    That could work. I can produce with talent unlike someone we could mention.

    I am the GM of my “C” division team here in Halifax and added two new players this year. One almost made the Leafs after playing 8 years for the Ice Dogs/Saint Mary’s Huskies and another dude who played 4 years for the CB Screaming Eagles.

    I dumped my fellow mid-40’s linemates of the past decade and stuck myself on their right wing and finished 7th in the league in scoring and I’m a never-was who has lost a step.

    And because it’s the exact same thing, Lucic should have been able to score with 97.

  13. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Would I trade Lucic & Puljujarvi for Brandon Sutter or Zack Smith?

    I would trade them FOR a goat

  14. Psyche says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    A fantastic way to start the day!

    It was Seuss-esque! (Or is it Seuss-ian?)

  15. knighttown says:

    Woodguy v2.0: A ham sandwich without mustard is an abomination and an insult to the pig.

    I would trade them for two cases of those awful super hoppy IPAs that people drink, then grimace and lie about how much they like it because it matches their beard even if each case of beer had two years left at $3MM/yr.

    And now we have to fight. I’ve moved past the Keith’s of my youth. Are you Western guys still doing the Kokanee thing?

    A hoppy, citrusy IPA on a patio is a true pleasure. A second is still yummy but where we can agree is that after 2 you need to move to a nice Irish Whiskey.

    Would you move Lucic and Jesse for Caillou if he was signed for 3 years at 4.5 per?

  16. Professor Q says:

    knighttown: Getting the ham sandwich WITHOUT godforsaken mustard is a bonus.Mustard is the Lucic of condiments.

    I’d move Lucic and Jesse for one of those new sour craft beers that are all the rage among people without taste buds.

    I love mustard. So many varieties. Plus, the mustard family includes broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, wasabi, kale, etc. I prefer mustard hot to capsaicin hot.

    However, ham can have different moods, depending on the type of ham and desired dish.

    Pineapple and rum, with maybe some banana peppers? Mustard? Applesauce? Ketchup + Mustard + Brown Sugar sauce? Take your pick!

  17. Pouzar says:

    knighttown: And now we have to fight.I’ve moved past the Keith’s of my youth.Are you Western guys still doing the Kokanee thing?

    A hoppy, citrusy IPA on a patio is a true pleasure.A second is still yummy but where we can agree is that after 2 you need to move to a nice Irish Whiskey.

    Would you move Lucic and Jesse for Caillou if he was signed for 3 years at 4.5 per?

    Had a Kokanee yesterday on the golf course….yeah……ugh.
    IPA all day please.

  18. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown: That could work.I can produce with talent unlike someone we could mention.

    I am the GM of my “C” division team here in Halifax and added two new players this year.One almost made the Leafs after playing 8 years for the Ice Dogs/Saint Mary’s Huskies and another dude who played 4 years for the CB Screaming Eagles.

    I dumped my fellow mid-40’s linemates of the past decade and stuck myself on their right wing and finished 7th in the league in scoring and I’m a never-was who has lost a step.

    And because it’s the exact same thing, Lucic should have been able to score with 97.

    Now that’s good management.

    *clapclap*

  19. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: I would trade them FOR a goat

    Me too.

  20. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown: And now we have to fight.I’ve moved past the Keith’s of my youth.Are you Western guys still doing the Kokanee thing?

    A hoppy, citrusy IPA on a patio is a true pleasure.A second is still yummy but where we can agree is that after 2 you need to move to a nice Irish Whiskey.

    Would you move Lucic and Jesse for Caillou if he was signed for 3 years at 4.5 per?

    I’ll fight you.

    Kokanee is moose piss.

    I don’t drink beer much anymore but when I do Belgian or German lagers are my taste.

    Clean, no shitty after taste and you don’t have to chew it.

    Also,

    Yes, I’d do it for Caillou since he’s under 25 and a 30% buyout I can buy out those 3 years for $675K x 6 years.

  21. bwar says:

    At this point it would be kind of comical if Lucic had a huge bounce back year. Not gonna happen but still, it would be hilarious.

  22. BONE207 says:

    Today you are you! That is truer than true! There is no one alive who is you-er than you! – Edmonton Oilers for 30 years

    Don’t cry because it’s over. Smile because it happened. – Oilers 2016-7 season

    Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It’s not. – Ken Holland

    A person’s a person, no matter how small. – The Anti-Chiarelli saying (moar big)

    The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you’ll go. – Lowetidians

    You know you’re in love when you can’t fall asleep because reality is finally better than your dreams – April 26th, 2015.

    Dr. Suess

  23. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    I’ve been hoping for Alice Cooper for the RE series for a while now. Great library of song titles!

  24. who says:

    bwar:
    At this point it would be kind of comical if Lucic had a huge bounce back year.Not gonna happen but still, it would be hilarious.

    It would be hilarious. But it also brings up an interesting scenario.
    If Lucic scores 20 goals and 50 points next year is Holland smart enough to trade him anyway? Even if he still has to add a sweetener? And would Lucic waive his NMC?
    The ultimate irony would be Lucic refusing to waive cause he had a good year. Now that would be hilarious.

  25. Lowetide says:

    Zane Smith was a mlb pitcher who spent a little time with les Expos.

  26. Jethro Tull says:

    Oh LT. If the Oilers got another #1 OV, we wouldn’t know what would happen next? I think we do…… it’s happened 5 times in recent memory. Oilers draft ridiculous talent. Talent isn’t augmented and nurtured by skilled vets. Questionable management decisions. New management that has even more probity and gravitas but still can’t figure things out. Rinse. Repeat.

    BTW, are you related to the Dunmore Mitchells?

  27. Marc says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’ll fight you.

    I don’t drink beer much anymore but when I do Belgian or German lagers are my taste.

    Clean, no shitty after taste and you don’t have to chew it.

    There’s a German pub down the street from my office that, in addition to eight taps of tasty German goodness, has an oompah band on Thursday nights that specialises in hits of the ’80s and ’90s.

  28. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide:
    Zane Smith was a mlb pitcher who spent a little time with les Expos.

    5×5 pts/60?

    Can’t be worse than Lenny Petrell.

  29. geowal says:

    I’ve never heard of an anti-mustardite before today. Fascinating.

  30. Marc says:

    Re: RE

    Playground kids and creaking swings
    Lost laughter in the breeze
    I could go on for hours and I probably will
    But I’d sooner put some joy back in this town called Malice

  31. knighttown says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’ll fight you.

    Kokanee is moose piss.

    I don’t drink beer much anymore but when I do Belgian or German lagers are my taste.

    Clean, no shitty after taste and you don’t have to chew it.

    Also,

    Yes, I’d do it for Caillou since he’s under 25 and a 30% buyout I can buy out those 3 years for $675K x 6 years.

    Pilsners don’t have aftertaste because they don’t have any during-taste. You know what else is clean and crisp without aftertaste? Water.

    I love that you just worked out the buyout on Caillou, probably in your head. Such is life as an Oilers fan.

    Ok, now this one is completely out there. In an alternate universe where there were other horrible franchises making historically bad bets, would you trade Lucic and Jesse for Mikko Koskinen?

  32. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide:
    Zane Smith was a mlb pitcher who spent a little time with les Expos.

    Thanks.

    Yes, I’d trade them for him too.

  33. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Marc: There’s a German pub down the street from my office that, in addition to eight taps of tasty German goodness, has an oompah band on Thursday nights that specialises in hits of the ’80s and ’90s.

    I would need my own cot there.

  34. Leonnor McDraivid says:

    We are getting mixed messages in regards to Milan Lucic. Stauffer recently and randomly commented on his show that we may see a Lucic trade in ten days or so. We are also being told that the trade will probably come after his bonus is paid. Some reporters are telling us that the bonus was already paid on July 1. Some are saying that the bonus does not get paid till July 17, while others are saying half was paid on July 1 and the other half is paid on July 17. Perhaps, we are waiting for the team acquiring Lucic to pay the bonus of the player coming back? I would not trade Lucic for Ericksson, as Lucic is younger and brings more to the table, but a I’d make the Lucic and Puljujarvi for Sutter trade all day. I do not think that Jesse is an NHL player. He simply does not have the sense and vision to play in this league. Plus, entitled little kids never make it in any workplace.

  35. Admiral Ackbar says:

    knighttown: Getting the ham sandwich WITHOUT godforsaken mustard is a bonus.Mustard is the Lucic of condiments.

    I’d move Lucic and Jesse for one of those new sour craft beers that are all the rage among people without taste buds.

    You take that back!!

    Is there any condiment better than a nice, sharp, grainy French mustard?

    Ketchup is the culprit you’re looking for. Sugar, red, thickener. Gross! 🤮

  36. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown: Pilsners don’t have aftertaste because they don’t have any during-taste.You know what else is clean and crisp without aftertaste?Water.

    I love that you just worked out the buyout on Caillou, probably in your head.Such is life as an Oilers fan.

    Ok, now this one is completely out there.In an alternate universe where there were other horrible franchises making historically bad bets, would you trade Lucic and Jesse for Mikko Koskinen?

    While I like Pilsners, I did say Lagers.

    I’m sorry that you think they have no taste.

    I guess you must have burned off your taste buds as a yute.

    That would also explain your awful mustard opinion as well.

    Also,

    Yes, I would trade them Koskinen.

    I’m actually more bullish on him than most Oiler fans.

    Not having McLellan as your head coach running you ragged will help him this year.

  37. Marc says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I would need my own cot there.

    When you’re standing on a table, stein of Paulaner in hand, singing Come On Eileen with an oompah band, you know you’re living your best life.

  38. Buddy says:

    BONE207:
    If the RE artist is up for votes, Pink Floyd would work for me. My hopes for this upcoming season have me on the Dark Side of the Moon. Too many bets would have to work out again. Too much faith in coaching/goal tending as well as some untried bets from Europe. As long as Connor is ok & the young talent from Bakersfield gets tested in games, I guess I’ll wait for another year.

    Damn this sounds like the current weather…

    The sheer quantity of songs about madness in the Pink Floyd catalog seems tailor-made for some series or other about the Oilers.

  39. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Jethro Tull: 5×5 pts/60?

    Can’t be worse than Lenny Petrell.

    Whenever I think of Petrell, I don’t think about getting caved while he was on the ice.

    I think of that SH goal he scored against Nashville when Sergei Kostitsyn took a terrible change & the whole Preds bench screamed at him. Gagner fed a one-time pass to Petrell who buried it on, I think, Rinne.

    The shined turds I remember in this last 13 years, man.

  40. godot10 says:

    Volume shooting is outdated. It is volume shooting from the right areas, or shots from non-ideal areas with a purpose in mind.

    Shooting for shooting sake is dumb. McLellan advocated a lot of mindless shooting.

    Good teams focus on getting shots from high danger areas. If one is shooting from non-high danger areas, it is part of a plan to get the puck to a teammate who will be in a high danger area for the rebound.

  41. Darth Tu says:

    I’m still clinging to the hope that Puljujarvi turns into a bonafide NHL player. However, at this point if getting Lucic’s contract off the books means moving Jesse along with it, I do it in a heartbeat. I’d probably take Smith over Sutter and plug him as the 3rd line C for the next 2 years.

    That extra bit of cap space puts us into the Dzingel argument – sure he might not go to “hard areas” but at least he shoots the damn puck. An extra scoring winger for the top 6 is priority in making up the -22 from LT’s calculations above.

  42. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Would you trade Lucic and Jesse Puljujarvi for Brandon Sutter? Same package for Zack Smith?

    Yes. I said yesterday I would trade Puljujarvi for Rust. As a sweetener for getting rid of Lucic, yes.

  43. Lowetide says:

    Kokanee is a good entry beer. Mustard is great with ham.

  44. Jethro Tull says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Whenever I think of Petrell, I don’t think about getting caved while he was on the ice.

    I think of that SH goal he scored against Nashville when Sergei Kostitsyn took a terrible change & the whole Preds bench screamed at him. Gagner fed a one-time pass to Petrell who buried it on, I think, Rinne.

    The shined turds I remember in this last 13 years, man.

    With Chia, that goal would have got him $5M times 6.

  45. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide:
    Kokanee is a good entry beer. Mustard is great with ham.

    Truth bombs.

  46. ArmchairGM says:

    Would you trade Lucic + JP for Loui Ericksson though? That’s most likely what it’ll end up being…

  47. oilman says:

    knighttown,

    Should have traded yourself when your value was high!

  48. godot10 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: I would trade them FOR a goat

    If one looks up goat in the urban dictionary…

  49. 719 says:

    Pie in the Sky prediction:

    Lucic and Pulju and a first round pick in 2020 or 2021 or a significant prospect for Zucker and Eriksson Ek

    Minny GM is crazy.

  50. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    Zane Smith was a mlb pitcher who spent a little time with les Expos.

    I’d trade Lucic and Puljujarvi for him.

  51. Jordan says:

    knighttown: Getting the ham sandwich WITHOUT godforsaken mustard is a bonus.Mustard is the Lucic of condiments.

    I’d move Lucic and Jesse for one of those new sour craft beers that are all the rage among people without taste buds.

    Calling out Mustard as the Lucic of Condiments is the Lennert Petrell of condiment opinions.

    There are a multitude of mustards for every taste, so suggesting Mustard is the Lucic doesn’t account for this variety. It’s like saying all Power Forwards are Lucic. While many will suggest a french Dijon is the Ovie of Mustards, I’ll go for a heated hungarian honey-mustard – stuff can make pork sing in your mouth like double fundge bavarian chocolate cake.

    Woodguy v2.0: I’ll fight you.

    Kokanee is moose piss.

    Russian Imperial.

    Once you drink it, be prepared to shell out for beer. Expensive like McDavid, and just as good.

  52. Jethro Tull says:

    Lennart Petrell’s Agent: Len, how are ya? Just got an email, for some reason your name’s trending again.

  53. jtblack says:

    With 2 kids I did a lot of nighttime reading to them. Dr. Zeuss was my favorite. Simple yet effective.

    I also have “The Wheels on The Bus” seared into my memory. The wipers go “Swish, Swish, Swish” in case you were wondering.

    MUSTARD: Absolute neccessity.

    IPA’S: some that are too Hpppy, def not Good.

    BLINDMAN HAZY IPA is hands down the best IPA out there You can get at Original Joe’s on a seasonal tap.

    ISA’s are very good as well A little less Hoppy / Smooth

  54. Melvis says:

    Would I trade Lucic & Puljujarvi for Brandon Sutter or Zack Smith?

    Hell Yeah.

    I’d trade them for a 350 pounder of uncertain gender pushing two shopping carts down the cereal aisle at Walmart.

  55. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I can’t (but definitely can) believe there were trade options for Lucic last summer & they didn’t bite.

    I’m a big believer in JP. He was always a raw top talent, they just had to slow play him and they botched that.

    Lucic+JP for Matt Luff? Is that the rumour now?

  56. jtblack says:

    Lets look at Lucic another way. IF Ken doesnt offer a sweetener and move on from the Lucic Contract this year or next or the following Edm is gonna have a tough time winning.

    It’s not like Lucic was snake bitten. He’s so slow now he can’t get to the scoring areas. Lucic HAD 79 SHOTS IN 77 GAMES. That is awful. Evening with an inflated SH% at best he might get 10 or 12 Goals.

    I would take Ericksson back. Seems to have more utility than Lucic

  57. Rube Foster says:

    knighttown: And now we have to fight.

    A hoppy, citrusy IPA on a patio is a true pleasure.A second is still yummy but where we can agree is that after 2 you need to move to a nice Irish Whiskey.

    Would you move Lucic and Jesse for Caillou if he was signed for 3 years at 4.5 per?

    I’m with Woodguy.

    Hold the hops, every fridge should hold at least three types of mustard and a hard NO to Caillou, all of his incessant whining would be a detretrement to team chemistry in the locker room.

  58. Reja says:

    Lowetide:
    Zane Smith was a mlb pitcher who spent a little time with les Expos.

    First Expos to pop into my brain when you mentioned them was Woodie Fryman and I don’t know why.

  59. Ben says:

    Rube Foster: I’m with Woodguy.

    Hold the hops, every fridge should hold at least three types of mustard and a hard NO to Caillou, all of his incessant whining would be a detretrement to team chemistry in the locker room.

    The finest of takes. Malty beer. Grainy wine mustard. Kids with headphones. Kokanee proves the existence of Bigfoot, being its actual urine.

    Gregor throwing all kinds of cold water on this July 17th bonus payout, which he claims was indeed paid out on the 1st.

    Stauffer’s been consistent about “seeing if something might happen with Lucic in the next two weeks or so” since the 1st, though.

    Dismal tea leaves all around. I’m increasingly ok with Lucic on the 3rd-4th line. He’s not slow, nor often out of position, he just can’t catch or throw a pass. Hopefully he can claw something back working with a skills coach this summer.

  60. JimmyV1965 says:

    jtblack:
    Lets look at Lucic another way.IF Ken doesnt offer a sweetener and move on from the Lucic Contract this year or next or the following Edm is gonna have a tough time winning.

    It’s not like Lucic was snake bitten.He’s so slow now he can’t get to the scoring areas. Lucic HAD 79 SHOTS IN 77 GAMES. That is awful.Evening with an inflated SH% at best he might get 10 or 12 Goals.

    I would take Ericksson back.Seems to have more utility than Lucic

    Lots of teams have bad contracts and manage to win. Boston gets to the final with Backes. And he’s just as bad. Little quibble. Although Lucic is slow, the overwhelming worst part of his game is his hands. He can’t take a pass, he can’t make a pass, his shot is meh and for a big man, he loses way too many board battles because it’s easy to strip the puck from him.

  61. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jordan,

    Calling out Mustard as the Lucic of Condiments is the Lennert Petrell of condiment opinions.

    Well done.

  62. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Melvis:
    Would I trade Lucic & Puljujarvi for Brandon Sutter or Zack Smith?

    Hell Yeah.

    I’d trade them for a 350 pounder of uncertain gender pushing two shopping carts down the cereal aisle at Walmart.

    Hi Melvis!

  63. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Getting back a slightly overprice but Actual NHL 3C in Sutter who has only 2 years left is beyond ideal.

    Just in time for Russell’s extension!

  64. Darth Tu says:

    Rube Foster: I’m with Woodguy.

    Hold the hops, every fridge should hold at least three types of mustard and a hard NO to Caillou, all of his incessant whining would be a detretrement to team chemistry in the locker room.

    If there’s a way to trade Lucic for the Rainbow Goblins, I would be all on board with that. They plan well, work hard, aren’t afraid to go the hard areas, but unfortunately can get caught out by the trap (partially due to too much beaking). I could live with that though if it frees up cap space.

    Glorious artwork by Ul De Rico.

  65. who says:

    Jethro Tull,

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I can’t (but definitely can) believe there were trade options for Lucic last summer & they didn’t bite.

    I’m a big believer in JP. He was always a raw top talent, they just had to slow play him and they botched that.

    Lucic+JP for Matt Luff? Is that the rumour now?

    I would love to know what the offers were for Lucic last summer.
    Other GMs are saying the asking price was too high but what does that mean? Was Chia asking for a useful player in return? Was he not willing to include a sweetener? Was he not willing to add a big enough sweetener? There are different degrees of too high.
    Bottom line is that if Chia could have done it with a small sweetener, say a 2nd round pick, and didn’t pull the trigger, well I guess that proves he was an idiot. But I guess we all know that now.

  66. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: even if each case of beer had two years left at $3MM/yr.

    When did Chiarelli get into the brewery business?

  67. Shane says:

    jtblack:
    With 2 kids I did a lot of nighttime reading to them.Dr. Zeuss was my favorite.Simple yet effective.

    I also have “The Wheels on The Bus” seared into my memory. The wipers go “Swish, Swish, Swish” in case you were wondering.

    MUSTARD:Absolute neccessity.

    IPA’S:some that are too Hpppy, def not Good.

    BLINDMAN HAZY IPA is hands down the best IPA out there You can get at Original Joe’s on a seasonal tap.

    ISA’s are very good as well A little less Hoppy / Smooth

    Are you talking about Blindmans Longshadows? If so, yes that’s a fantastic IPA. Cool artwork on the can too. However, there’s many (imo) better establishments than OJs that carry it.

  68. Rube Foster says:

    Lowetide:
    Zane Smith was a mlb pitcher who spent a little time with les Expos.

    Zane Smith!

    Strong left arm, weak chin as I recall.

    I think we got Moises for him at the trade deadline.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    If Milan Lucic can get 15G and 35-40 points this year in the middle/bottom six, how much better does this team look? Is that reasonable? It should be but, sigh, he’s been so bad that I will have to agree that 9 is probably more reasonable. I’m hoping though.

    If we can get 7, 10 and 7 goals from Haas, Nygard and Jurco, I think that would be a boon for the bottom six and the team may just be bubble, depending on tending. With that said, all three of those do seem high to me, unfortunately.

  70. who says:

    JimmyV1965: Lots of teams have bad contracts and manage to win.Boston gets to the final with Backes. And he’s just as bad. Little quibble. Although Lucic is slow, the overwhelming worst part of his game is his hands. He can’t take a pass, he can’t make a pass, his shot is meh and for a big man, he loses way too many board battles because it’s easy to strip the puck from him.

    Perfect description of the player. I think his straight away speed is good enough, but the man can’t turn! It’s like watching a container ship come into port. The man needs a lot of ocean to maneuver! Honestly, I have better edges. And I’m on the wrong side of 50.

  71. OmJo says:

    HT Joe: Also, if McDavid requests a trade, Holland has to trade him. McDavid is the most coveted team in the league, and with other players signing in the $10-$11.5M range, McDavid’s relative value will only climb. If Holland refuses to trade McDavid, McDavid will be forced to make his request public, which would reduce his trade value. If Holland’s response to a public McDavid trade request is to sit the best player on the planet and not play him, Bettman would apply any pressure within his power to make the face of the NHL happy.

    That would be a disaster of epic proportions.

    Bettman already hates the fact he’s in Edmonton.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m comfortable with Broberg heading back to Skelleftea for one more year (hopefully just 1).

    Yes, more ice time would be guaranteed in the OHL but he’ll grow more as a player playing in a top men’s league. I believe he will get the ice time he needs if he earns it – its up to the player.

    My goals for Broberg this year:

    (1) stay in Skelleftea of the SHL and not get relegated to Allsvenskan; and

    (2) earn the trust of the coach and more minutes as the year goes on – true top 4 minutes by year’s end.

    As an aside, how would Allsvenskan compare to the OHL?

  73. OmJo says:

    bwar:
    At this point it would be kind of comical if Lucic had a huge bounce back year.Not gonna happen but still, it would be hilarious.

    It would be the most Oiler thing ever. Probably score a hat trick every time he plays them.

  74. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    If Milan Lucic can get 15G and 35-40 points this year in the middle/bottom six, how much better does this team look?Is that reasonable?It should be but, sigh, he’s been so bad that I will have to agree that 9 is probably more reasonable.I’m hoping though.

    If we can get 7, 10 and 7 goals from Haas, Nygard and Jurco, I think that would be a boon for the bottom six and the team may just be bubble, depending on tending. With that said, all three of those do seem high to me, unfortunately.

    My predictions is that Lucic will continue to struggle and will be bought out before the expansion draft. He is currently untradeable.

  75. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    test

    Is this thing on?

  76. Hemsky is a gangsta says:

    What do you guys think about Brassard? Stauffer threw his name out there over the weekend so I assume there’s a pretty good chance he’s coming here. Does he still have game?

  77. M00se1197 says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    There is no way to love this post more.

  78. knighttown says:

    oilman:
    knighttown,

    Should have traded yourself when your value was high!

    I don’t know if there’s anyone dumb enough but there is this new guy, Peter something…he was impressed with my boxcars and +/-.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes, I guess Lucic becomes a little more tradeable after July 17th, however, I still don’t see a trade happening. The cap hit is still $6M X 4. Yes, I know actual dollars paid are less than the cap hit making him somewhat attractive to cap floor teams but there aren’t really that many cap floor teams in need of a contract like this, are there?

  80. Melvis says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Hey man! You’ve got me pulling out a smoked pork shoulder for a low and slow on the q.

  81. knighttown says:

    Rube Foster: I’m with Woodguy.

    Hold the hops, every fridge should hold at least three types of mustard and a hard NO to Caillou, all of his incessant whining would be a detretrement to team chemistry in the locker room.

    Whoa now, don’t try to paint me as pro-Caillou.

    I feel shame about my stance on mustard and tasteless german beers. I’ll give Good Robot Brewing’s Dijon Wiessbier one last try I guess.

  82. slopitch says:

    Yes… Lucic + JP for Zach Smith and then Bear + 2020 2nd for Gusev. That might make the Oilers your 2020 playoff bound Oilers with enough cap space to add Hall at the deadline 🙂

  83. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m comfortable with Broberg heading back to Skelleftea for one more year (hopefully just 1).

    I’m expecting two years in Sweden. There is no need to rush.

  84. HT Joe says:

    OmJo: That would be a disaster of epic proportions.

    Bettman already hates the fact he’s in Edmonton.

    Agreed… OP just finally convinced me that I shouldn’t have expected much more for the Pronger trade (thanks OP for walking me slowly through that one).
    – recent top 10 defensive prospect
    – 2x first rounders
    – 1x 2nd rounder
    – 28-goal scorer forward

    It’s not Anaheim’s fault that the Oilers de-valued or squandered all 5 assets… but the Oiler’s probably wouldn’t have gotten much more for Pronger.

    Now imagine the Oilers squandering / devaluing 7 or 8 assets for McDavid… that will be beyond frustrating. I fully believe that if the Oilers trade McDavid, it won’t be Lindros Trade v2.0 – it will be Pronger Trade v2.0.

    Even if the playoffs in 2019-2020 are unlikely, the Oilers better cut the gap substantially this year so that they have a chance in 2021.

    BTW, Bettman already hates the Oilers because they’re in Edmonton. 🙂

  85. godot10 says:

    Hemsky is a gangsta:
    What do you guys think about Brassard? Stauffer threw his name out there over the weekend so I assume there’s a pretty good chance he’s coming here. Does he still have game?

    Wait for prices to come down in a month, and for other salary cap casualties to become available.

    Wait till August.

  86. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Melvis:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Hey man! You’ve got me pulling out a smoked pork shoulder for a low and slow on the q.

    I’m here to help.

  87. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    If Milan Lucic can get 15G and 35-40 points this year in the middle/bottom six, how much better does this team look?Is that reasonable?It should be but, sigh, he’s been so bad that I will have to agree that 9 is probably more reasonable.I’m hoping though.

    If we can get 7, 10 and 7 goals from Haas, Nygard and Jurco, I think that would be a boon for the bottom six and the team may just be bubble, depending on tending. With that said, all three of those do seem high to me, unfortunately.

    I think the odds of Lucic more than doubling his goal production and point production this season is even less likely than Taylor Hall being an Oiler this season.

    Last season, six players scored more than 7 goals. One defenceman, and five forwards. If that 4th line can score 24 goals that would be a massive improvement. The other forwards, not coutning Caggiula, scored 36 goals combined last season. So… yeah…

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gregor is stating that the info on Lucic’s bonus in incorrect – that it was due and payable on July 1 and that its McDavid’s that us payable on the 17th – who the hell knows?

  89. OmJo says:

    Welcome to Oiler country, where we are discussing whether or not a trade for Caillou would be more helpful to the Edmonton Oilers than keeping Milan Lucic.

  90. OmJo says:

    HT Joe: Agreed… OP just finally convinced me that I shouldn’t have expected much more for the Pronger trade (thanks OP for walking me slowly through that one).
    – recent top 10 defensive prospect
    – 2x first rounders
    – 1x 2nd rounder
    – 28-goal scorer forward

    It’s not Anaheim’s fault that the Oilers de-valued or squandered all 5 assets… but the Oiler’s probably wouldn’t have gotten much more for Pronger.

    Now imagine the Oilers squandering / devaluing 7 or 8 assets for McDavid… that will be beyond frustrating.I fully believe that if the Oilers trade McDavid, it won’t be Lindros Trade v2.0 – it will be Pronger Trade v2.0.

    Even if the playoffs in 2019-2020 are unlikely, the Oilers better cut the gap substantially this year so that they have a chance in 2021.

    BTW, Bettman already hates the Oilers because they’re in Edmonton.

    Tbh, if it ever comes to McDavid wanting out, I think the fans will be done with the team.

    The amount of fuck up that needs to occur for McDavid to demand a trade is probably a lot higher than we can appreciate. If they reach that level the team is completely hopeless.

    Bettman will gleefully introduce the Houston Oilers. Lol.

  91. defmn says:

    godot10: Wait for prices to come down in a month, and for other salary cap casualties to become available.

    Wait till August.

    Totally agree with this. Patience is the key in situations where every current alternative looks less than attractive. Use the time available and see what happens. It’s not like waiting too long is going to cost this team the cup this year. 😉

  92. Munny says:

    If the bonus money story is true, I think the most likely destination for the Lucic/Pujo combo pak is Ottawa.

    They have the most cap freedom, are cash poor, can use a vet and are interested in adding young talent.

  93. Munny says:

    Lowetide: Kokanee is a good entry beer

    I find champagne is by far and away the most effective potable in this regard. 😉

  94. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Psyche,

    We’ll have to Seuss it out.

  95. Munny says:

    As for condiments… I can’t understand why people slather them on their sandwiches to the degree that the taste of the sandwich is all condiment.

    I’m Keto4Life, so I rarely use condiments, but sometimes will add a dab of HP or mustard when I want add a little zing to something. Can’t stand ketchup and miss it not. And why eat relish when there’s a jar of actual pickles in the fridge?

    And accordingly being keto, I don’t drink any of the fancy beers y’all are mentioning. The beer of choice for Keto is Michelob Ultra… lowest carb beer on the market, but basically it is water lightly flavoured with barley that will give you a buzz. And when you’re keto, you get drunk waaaay easier, so no need for hi-test, and you can get hangovers from approximately one sip of booze.

  96. HT Joe says:

    OmJo: If they reach that level the team is completely hopeless.

    Chia say “hi”.

    I was so done with Tambellini when the time came, and so done with MacT when he traded Petry, but wow… either of those would have likely assembled a perennial playoff team by now. I don’t think Chia could have done a worse job if he’d tried (I still partly believe he was actually intentionally sewering the team).

  97. Munny says:

    Marc: There’s a German pub down the street from my office that, in addition to eight taps of tasty German goodness, has an oompah band on Thursday nights that specialises in hits of the ’80s and ’90s.

    This is awesome… may I ask what town?

  98. Munny says:

    Psyche: It was Seuss-esque! (Or is it Seuss-ian?)

    Seussie Q.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t imagine a scenario where McDavid is not an Oiler for the next 7 seasons, however, if the organization traded him within the next two years, with 5 seasons left of a contract that isn’t even the highest cap hit in the league (likely), the trade return would likely set the team up to contend for the Stanley Cup for the foreseeable future.

    In the cap world, young players producing on value contracts is imperative to content and the wealth of young assets under team control (along with at least one higher end established player on a value contract, like a Schiefele or a Kucherov) would set the team up.

    Of course, I in no way am advocating for this and would not want it to happen, however, the trade return would likely put the team closer to Stanley Cups than the one superstar – this isn’t the NBA, this is the NHL!

  100. Professor Q says:

    I just had the Chicken Crave 2.0 from Pita Pit.

    Chicken and Black Forest Ham, with onions, pineapple, spinach, carrots, banana peppers, avocado, hummus, chipotle mango spice, and mustard. Delicious.

  101. stephen sheps says:

    alright, this is my kind of thread!

    Mustard, Pork, Beer and Whisky, people calling for bands for the RE. Now we’re talking. I wish someone would’ve used the bat signal to call me earlier.

    Melvis:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Hey man! You’ve got me pulling out a smoked pork shoulder for a low and slow on the q.

    I did one of those in the smoker recently. Also finally found a butcher here in Toronto that will sell me brisket points for a decent price and haven’t been trimmed all to hell. No fat cap on a brisket must be grounds for firing a meat cutter on sight, and yet…

    Woodguy v2.0: A ham sandwich without mustard is an abomination and an insult to the pig.

    I would trade them for two cases of those awful super hoppy IPAs that people drink, then grimace and lie about how much they like it because it matches their beard even if each case of beer had two years left at $3MM/yr.

    I would also make that trade, and such a mustardless sandwich is indeed an insult to the pig (or the turkey, if like me you respect the ham but don’t much care for it as a result of your Jewish upbringing – yet find bacon and most other pork products to be divine because we’re all contradictory creatures)

    Interestingly way back in my grad school days in the early part of the decade, I loved hoppy beers and was drinking whatever american variety of the IPA the LCBO would (reluctantly) bring in to my local store in Kingston (plus whatever I’d weasel back from the states whenever I’d be down that way). Then I went back to Germany, Czech and Poland in the summer of 2012 and was reminded what real beer tastes like.

    I’ve spoken to a few local brewers here and each one has commented on how much more difficult it is to make a clean, easy drinking Czech Pilsner or German lager or Kolsch than it is to make an ale, mostly because the yeast strains are different and require different temperatures to do their thing than the top-fermenting style. All that to say is that they focus on hoppy beers and sours because they’re easier to make and in some cases they’ll use hops, fruits and other additives to mask a wort (or mash) that they know isn’t all that amazing to begin with or made quickly in order to get it to market faster.

    —-

    As to music for the RE series, my vote this year is for the criminally under-rated Drive-by Truckers, a band that two other old-timey regulars (Stevzie and Square Wheels) and I talk about amongst ourselves pretty often. The songs are great, the titles I could see working quite nicely (I mean Buttholeville makes me think of the way the city is viewed by pretty much everyone outside of Oilers fans, particularly in the hockey press) and the catalogue is massive. I saw them the other night, the 3rd of a 3 night stand at Lee’s Palace, and each night they played 27+ songs with very little cross-over from one night to the next. The songs are stories, often about down and outs, ne’er-do-wells and historical figures from the south, but given our fanbase’s and franchise’s obsession with the past, historical figures, self-mythologization and desire to break free from all of that baggage, I can’t think of a band better suited for the task.

  102. Side says:

    Munny:
    As for condiments… I can’t understand why people slather them on their sandwiches to the degree that the taste of the sandwich is all condiment.

    I’m Keto4Life, so I rarely use condiments, but sometimes will add a dab of HP or mustard when I want add a little zing to something.Can’t stand ketchup and miss it not.And why eat relish when there’s a jar of actual pickles in the fridge?

    And accordingly being keto, I don’t drink any of the fancy beers y’all are mentioning. The beer of choice for Keto is Michelob Ultra… lowest carb beer on the market, but basically it is water lightly flavoured with barley that will give you a buzz.And when you’re keto, you get drunk waaaay easier, so no need for hi-test, and you can get hangovers from approximately one sip of booze.

    Something tells me you follow the keto diet, I can’t quite put my finger on why I feel this way… but something tells me that you do…

  103. Professor Q says:

    And if you pronounce Seuss the proper way, you’ll have to properly cite your New York and Boston Seusses.

    Hey! I’m Walken here!

  104. Munny says:

    Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty · 3h3 hours ago

    Former NHL coach: “They’re going to set a record for players on PTO’s at training camps.”

    The Chiasson Effect.

  105. YKOil says:

    godot10: Wait for prices to come down in a month, and for other salary cap casualties to become available.

    Wait till August.

    This. A large number of teams are, once arbitration is done and they have signed their remaining RFA’s, out of the picture for the remaining UFA’s.

    Some of those teams will try to offload contracts meaning players will come available to other teams will be in on those trades and use up their remaining Cap space as well.

    Be patient Holland. Let it come to you.

  106. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    godot10,

    Would you rather:

    A) Broberg stay in Sweden for two years, working on his play away from the puck and up the depth chart, or;

    B) Broberg play one year in Sweden and move to BAK the next to work up the depth chart on the smaller ice and within the Oilers’ system of players and coaches?

  107. tileguy says:

    Munny,

    24 cans for $44 at Costco, best deal by far.

  108. Sierra says:

    Per tsn.ca

    Markus Lehto, said changes at general manager and head coach have done little to sway the 21-year-old.

    “Although the Oilers have a new well-respected GM and a new coach the team is still pretty much the same,” Lehto said, as translated by the Edmonton Journal. “Sometimes a player and a team are not a fit. This seems to be the case here. Nothing radical about it.”

    Lehto said last month he believed Puljujarvi was in need of a fresh start.

    “It doesn’t make sense to go back where we were last season, it’s not good for either side,” Lehto told Finnish reporter Tommi Seppala. “Discussions about parting ways have been going on for weeks already. Jesse needs a fresh start and it’s nothing against the Oilers.”

  109. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Stauffer saying 90% chance Lucic is an Oiler next year.

    Also says if they acquire a forward it’s either $2M in UFA – or through trade with a team that’s having ‘a hard time with their RFAs’.

    Sounds like maybe NYR (Trouba, Buchnevich, Lemieux, Deangelo). Not sure who would squeeze out of NYR, Gorton is a smart GM.

  110. jeetz says:

    who,

    A second round pick is a lot. especially if it is an early second round pick. imagine our draft this year if we didn’t get Raphael Lavoie. That was the difference of a ok/weak draft and a good draft.

    I do believe we must free up cap space. I think we can trade or buyout Gagner and Russell this season if we have too. I also think there is still a Lucic trade to Vancouver for Eriksson happening. While that doesn’t help with cap space now, it does in 2 years when RNH is up for new salary.

    I’m thinking these 2 trades are still happening this summer:

    Lucic to Vancouver
    JP and Russell to the Jets

    No idea what the final trades would look like or who would be coming back, but both trades make way too much sense for all teams.

    Gagner and Manning each only have 1 year left, we can ride those contracts out. That’s 5.4 mil off the books next season. There is your top 6 scorer

  111. Munny says:

    Side: Something tells me you follow the keto diet, I can’t quite put my finger on why I feel this way… but something tells me that you do…

    40 lbs shredded in the first 8 months… I actually added beer back into my diet because I felt the weight was coming off too fast. But I tellya, the first time with beer on Keto I was buzzed at two light beer and completely rocked at 3… and before that a 6 pack of regular would scarcely make me blink.

    I’m 53 and now the weight I was in my first year of University. Feels great.

  112. Cahoon says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Yes to Belgian style beers! Kronenberg blanc is my favorite. Also a nice local one is the Fernie Brwwing company’s slow drift.

  113. LadiesloveSmid says:

    A deal around JP & Buchnevich would be a coup at this point.

    Again I don’t think Gorton would do Edmonton a favour.

    Does NYR only have $8M to sign Buch, Trouba, Lemieux, and Deangelo?!

  114. OmJo says:

    Sierra:
    Per tsn.ca

    Markus Lehto, said changes at general manager and head coach have done little to sway the 21-year-old.

    “Although the Oilers have a new well-respected GM and a new coach the team is still pretty much the same,” Lehto said, as translated by the Edmonton Journal. “Sometimes a player and a team are not a fit. This seems to be the case here. Nothing radical about it.”

    Lehto said last month he believed Puljujarvi was in need of a fresh start.

    “It doesn’t make sense to go back where we were last season, it’s not good for either side,” Lehto told Finnish reporter Tommi Seppala. “Discussions about parting ways have been going on for weeks already. Jesse needs a fresh start and it’s nothing against the Oilers.”

    Yikes.

    Can’t blame the Locker Room Cancer for this one.

  115. Side says:

    OmJo: Yikes.

    Can’t blame the Locker Room Cancer for this one.

    Just means the Oilers need MORE locker room guys. Is it too late to talk Matt Hendricks out of his player development gig to come back?

  116. jtblack says:

    Shane: Are you talking about Blindmans Longshadows? If so, yes that’s a fantastic IPA. Cool artwork on the can too. However, there’s many (imo) better establishments than OJs that carry it.

    Yup Thast the one ! .

    OJ’s is a 1 min walk fron my House 🙂 Thats why I frequent it …. but I do like it

  117. bwar says:

    Sierra,

    Nothing against the Oilers, I just don’t want anything to do with you ever again. That sounds a lot like someone who has something against the Oilers.

    Imagine being a total bust of a prospect and then thinking you have the power to demand a trade. Let him go to the KHL for a season, see if he gets his game back and then see if he changes his mind about playing in the NHL.

  118. OmJo says:

    Side: Just means the Oilers need MORE locker room guys.Is it too late to talk Matt Hendricks out of his player development gig to come back?

    Need moar Lucic!

  119. jake70 says:

    “OPTIONS”

    LT, was expecting to see a pic of Dany effin Heatley , not 97. 😉

  120. ArmchairGM says:

    Does anyone think Russell may have value to the Kings? McLellan really liked that guy.

  121. who says:

    jeetz:
    who,

    A second round pick is a lot. especially if it is an early second round pick. imagine our draft this year if we didn’t get Raphael Lavoie. That was the difference of a ok/weak draft and a good draft.

    I do believe we must free up cap space. I think we can trade or buyout Gagner and Russell this season if we have too. I also think there is still a Lucic trade to Vancouver for Eriksson happening. While that doesn’t help with cap space now, it does in 2 years when RNH is up for new salary.

    I’m thinking these 2 trades are still happening this summer:

    Lucic to Vancouver
    JP and Russell to the Jets

    No idea what the final trades would look like or who would be coming back, but both trades make way too much sense for all teams.

    Gagner and Manning each only have 1 year left, we can ride those contracts out. That’s 5.4 mil off the books next season. There is your top 6 scorer

    If we are talking about bundling Lucic with JP to get rid of the contract, why wouldn’t we do the same with a second? I would do Lucic and a 2nd for a bag of pucks yesterday. But good luck trying to find a trade partner.
    If it cost a 1st rounder to get rid of 1 year of Marleau, who is still a semi productive player, how much would it cost to get rid of 4 years of Lucic? We would be ecstatic if all it took was a 2nd.
    How can you argue against this?

  122. ArmchairGM says:

    LadiesloveSmid: A deal around JP & Buchnevich would be a coup at this point.

    What about JP for Namestnikov?

    Personally I’d rather add to the deal and get Kreider…

  123. stephen sheps says:

    Sierra,

    JP for Gusev somehow? He’s certainly going to cost less than Gusev’s ask and given the Vegas cap situation, maybe there’s a fit? JP and a D prospect maybe to help restock their cupboard?

  124. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I don’t imagine a scenario where McDavid is not an Oiler for the next 7 seasons, however, if the organization traded him within the next two years, with 5 seasons left of a contract that isn’t even the highest cap hit in the league (likely), the trade return would likely set the team up to contend for the Stanley Cup for the foreseeable future.

    In the cap world, young players producing on value contracts is imperative to content and the wealth of young assets under team control (along with at least one higher end established player on a value contract, like a Schiefele or a Kucherov) would set the team up.

    Of course, I in no way am advocating for this and would not want it to happen, however, the trade return would likely put the team closer to Stanley Cups than the one superstar – this isn’t the NBA, this is the NHL!

    I’m not even remotely in favour of this either, but to your point, the return on Lindros won the cup for Colorado. Yet both teams were happy with the trade.

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: It would be hilarious. But it also brings up an interesting scenario.
    If Lucic scores 20 goals and 50 points next year is Holland smart enough to trade him anyway? Even if he still has to add a sweetener? And would Lucic waive his NMC?
    The ultimate irony would be Lucic refusing to waive cause he had a good year. Now that would be hilarious.

    20G/50P is his historical norms or close thereto I would think.

    That would be a massive bounce back season and he “may” be tradeable without any material sweetener and, yes, I think Holland would be smart enough to do.

    Of course, if he does that and the goaltending holds, we may see playoffs…….

    Imagine…..

  126. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I’m praying on 10 goals from Lucic

  127. geowal says:

    Not to be underestimated is Dutch mustard, particularly De Echte Zaanse Mosterd – the grainy version.
    Picture of a windmill on the jar. Heavenly stuff.

  128. Reja says:

    Munny:
    As for condiments… I can’t understand why people slather them on their sandwiches to the degree that the taste of the sandwich is all condiment.

    I’m Keto4Life, so I rarely use condiments, but sometimes will add a dab of HP or mustard when I want add a little zing to something.Can’t stand ketchup and miss it not.And why eat relish when there’s a jar of actual pickles in the fridge?

    And accordingly being keto, I don’t drink any of the fancy beers y’all are mentioning. The beer of choice for Keto is Michelob Ultra… lowest carb beer on the market, but basically it is water lightly flavoured with barley that will give you a buzz.And when you’re keto, you get drunk waaaay easier, so no need for hi-test, and you can get hangovers from approximately one sip of booze.

    If you don’t like Bratwurst on a bun with semi hot mustard and sauerkraut you’ll never be able to have a stein of beer with Leon.

  129. Reja says:

    Professor Q:
    I just had the Chicken Crave 2.0 from Pita Pit.

    Chicken and Black Forest Ham, with onions, pineapple, spinach, carrots, banana peppers, avocado, hummus, chipotle mango spice, and mustard. Delicious.

    What’s a Pita Pit?

  130. Reja says:

    bwar:
    Sierra,

    Nothing against the Oilers, I just don’t want anything to do with you ever again.That sounds a lot like someone who has something against the Oilers.

    Imagine being a total bust of a prospect and then thinking you have the power to demand a trade.Let him go to the KHL for a season, see if he gets his game back and then see if he changes his mind about playing in the NHL.

    A couple years of playing for Yaroslavl and riding the Trains should cure him of his Prima Donna demands.

  131. Rube Foster says:

    stephen sheps:
    Sierra,

    JP for Gusev somehow? He’s certainly going to cost less than Gusev’s ask and given the Vegas cap situation, maybe there’s a fit? JP and a D prospect maybe to help restock their cupboard?

    I might be holding a candle in the wind, but I believe Holland’s best move this off season would be in building a conciliatory bridge for Jesse Puljujarvi’s return to the Edmonton Oilers.

    Top six pairs of
    McDavid-Puljujarvi & Nuge – Leon, actually appear to be the frame work for a legitimate NHL top six.

    With that said, if you can get Gusev out of Vegas for Jesse I think you have do it. Gusev is a material return that you could play in your top six. Jesse for Magic Beans would be a tragic repeat of recent Oiler history.

    The math test and the eye test shows us that 25 – 40 games of the Connor and Jesse should deliver solid to excellent on ice results. After the “trial period” you ask Team Jesse to reassess, if he still wants to leave the Oilers you only trade him after Connor has pumped his tires and you can get a meterial return in exchange.

    This reminds me of the time when the Oilers finally got around to playing Yak with skill and put him on Connor’s wing. The bees went away and Connor and Nail were playing fabulous hockey together for a brief stretch… then the Ref goes and takes out Yak’s knee… because Oilers.

    The Oilers NEVER for a moment ran with Yakupov and Connor ever again. The fact that the Oilers would trade Yak for third round draft pick rather than pump his value by playing him for a month with Connor and and THEN trading him for a material assets, clearly demonstrates how poorly managed this franchise has been for too long.

    Please, let’s not “Yak” young Jesse. A well run Franchise would find a resolution to the present “Puljujarvi Situation” that benefits the Edmonton Oilers first and foremost; a well run franchise would also recognize that might mean finding a way to benefit Puljujarvi as well.

  132. Professor Q says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR: I’m not even remotely in favour of this either, but to your point, the return on Lindros won the cup for Colorado.Yet both teams were happy with the trade.

    Philadelphia almost won the Cup with the Legion of Doom, too.

  133. Professor Q says:

    Reja: What’s a Pita Pit?

    It’s a delicous wee franchise place that has really good pitas. Perhaps they don’t have them out West, or maybe not in the same frequency?

  134. Jordan says:

    Scene from Oil Change season 7,898,342,597

    Ken Holland:
    Hey Jesse. How’s your summer been going?

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    Okay. Any news on the trade front?

    Ken Holland:
    Well Jesse, that’s the problem – since your agent told everyone and their dogs you don’t want to play here, and you didn’t produce very well the last 3 years… we can’t get anything of value for you. Best offer we got was a 2020 3rd round pick or a 40 pt AHL player.

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    What?! Don’t they know who I am? I’m a great player! And a good guy too!

    Ken Holland:
    We know you have a lot of potential here Jesse, but we can’t swing a trade like you want right now. If we did, we wouldn’t get anywhere near what you’re worth, and it would hurt the team and the franchise.

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    Oh dear. That’s so sad. What can we do?

    Ken Holland:
    Well, we’ve got 2 options now:
    1 – you go play in Europe or the KHL and score a lot more than you did here in Edmonton, or
    2 – you come back to Edmonton and score a lot more than you did last year, and tell your agent to be quiet about wanting a trade, or we will never be able to trade you.

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    Really? Those are the only 2 options?

    Ken Holland:
    If you want to get out of here and play somewhere else in the NHL Jesse…. Yes.

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    But, that means what my agent’s been doing so far is hurting my ability to play somewhere else…

    Ken Holland:
    That’s exactly what it mean Jesse.

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    But an Agent is supposed to look out for his client’s best interests

    Ken Holland:
    Yes, that’s what a competent agent does.

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    Did you just call my agent incompetent?

    Ken Holland:
    No Jesse – you did.

    Annnd … Scene!

  135. Eh Team says:

    who: My predictions is that Lucic will continue to struggle and will be bought out before the expansion draft. He is currently untradeable.

    Lucic will have to be bought out prior to the expansion draft by whatever team is with. Nobody is going to waste a protection spot on him.

    The Oilers are doomed as long as they have Lucic and Russell on the squad.

  136. Reja says:

    Jordan:
    Scene from Oil Change season 7,898,342,597

    Ken Holland:
    Hey Jesse.How’s your summer been going?

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    Okay.Any news on the trade front?

    Ken Holland:
    Well Jesse, that’s the problem – since your agent told everyone and their dogs you don’t want to play here, and you didn’t produce very well the last 3 years… we can’t get anything of value for you.Best offer we got was a 2020 3rd round pick or a 40 pt AHL player.

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    What?!Don’t they know who I am?I’m a great player!And a good guy too!

    Ken Holland:
    We know you have a lot of potential here Jesse, but we can’t swing a trade like you want right now.If we did, we wouldn’t get anywhere near what you’re worth, and it would hurt the team and the franchise.

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    Oh dear.That’s so sad.What can we do?

    Ken Holland:
    Well, we’ve got 2 options now:
    1 – you go play in Europe or the KHL and score a lot more than you did here in Edmonton, or
    2 – you come back to Edmonton and score a lot more than you did last year, and tell your agent to be quiet about wanting a trade, or we will never be able to trade you.

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    Really?Those are the only 2 options?

    Ken Holland:
    If you want to get out of hereand play somewhere else in the NHL Jesse…. Yes.

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    But, that means what my agent’s been doing so far is hurting my ability to play somewhere else…

    Ken Holland:
    That’s exactly what it mean Jesse.

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    But an Agent is supposed to look out for his client’s best interests

    Ken Holland:
    Yes, that’s what a competent agent does.

    Jesse Puljujarvi:
    Did you just call my agent incompetent?

    Ken Holland:
    No Jesse – you did.

    Annnd … Scene!

    His agent must still be getting drunk with the Kosh signing if he thinks he can put the screws to Holland. He’s going to derail or completely fry hillbilly Jesse’s career.

  137. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Rube Foster: I might be holding a candle in the wind, but I believe Holland’s best move this off season would be in building a conciliatory bridge for Jesse Puljujarvi’s return to the Edmonton Oilers.

    Top six pairs of
    McDavid-Puljujarvi & Nuge – Leon, actually appear to be the frame work for a legitimate NHL top six.

    With that said, if you can get Gusev out of Vegas for Jesse I think you have do it. Gusev is a material return that you could play in your top six.Jesse for Magic Beans would be a tragic repeat of recent Oiler history.

    Themath test and the eye testshows us that 25 – 40 games of the Connor and Jesse should deliver solid to excellent on ice results. After the “trial period” you ask Team Jesse to reassess, if he still wants to leave the Oilers you only trade him after Connor has pumped his tires and you can get a meterial return in exchange.

    This reminds me of the time when the Oilers finally got around to playing Yak with skill and put him on Connor’s wing.The bees went away and Connor and Nail were playing fabulous hockey together for a brief stretch… then the Ref goes and takes out Yak’s knee… because Oilers.

    The Oilers NEVER for a moment ran with Yakupovand Connor ever again. The fact that the Oilers would trade Yak for third round draft pick rather than pump his value by playing him for a month with Connor and and THEN trading him for a material assets, clearly demonstrates how poorly managed this franchise has been for too long.

    Please, let’s not “Yak” young Jesse. A well run Franchise would find a resolution to the present “Puljujarvi Situation” that benefits the Edmonton Oilers first and foremost; a well run franchise would also recognize that might mean finding a way to benefit Puljujarvi as well.

    I agree this would be ideal.
    A reasonable Plan B would have been to not sign Chiasson and get a legit top 6 winger (like Gusev, or others with established NHL credentials) with the $ and cap that WAS available before signing him.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    LeonnorMcDraivid:
    We are getting mixed messages in regards to Milan Lucic. Stauffer recently and randomly commented on his show that we may see a Lucic trade in ten days or so. We are also being told that the trade will probably come after his bonus is paid. Some reporters are telling us that the bonus was already paid on July 1. Some are saying that the bonus does not get paid till July 17, while others are saying half was paid on July 1 while the other half is paid on July 17. I would not trade Lucic for Ericksson, as Lucic is younger and brings more to the table, but a I’d make the Lucic and Puljujarvi for Sutter trade all day. I do not think that Jesse is an NHL player. He simply does not have the sense and vision to play in this league. Plus, entitled little kids never make it in any workplace.

    Yup, seems like there are definite mixed messages, however, I remain confident that there won’t be any trade available. There really aren’t many cap floor teams that are looking for cap in excess or real money and the cap is egregious to performance that I just can’t see a trade being available without some egregious sweeteners required that it can’t be done.

    I will continue to dream of Eriksson straight up – fantasy.

    I will continue to dream of a rebound to 15G/40P – fantasy.

    I will reasonably hope for a rebound to 10G/28 points.

  139. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Reality Check.
    Lucic ain’t goin anywhere. So, what to do…

    Give him the “benefit of the doubt” and cast him at 2LW to start the year. If, as expected, his performance is << 2LW, then after about 10 games start moving him down the line up. If he is still performing below reasonable expectations after about 20 games on the 4th line (or others in the 3rd and 4th lines are clearly outperforming him) – send him to the PB for the majority of the rest of the season. At that point it is not going to deteriorate his trade potential any more and the team can say "they tried" and then most likely the bottom 6 will be much faster and possibly more effective for the 2nd half of the season. It also buys some time to see how the rest of the mish-mash is shaping up. As stated earlier, this is another development / assessment season as playoffs at the moment appear to be a long shot.

  140. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Rube Foster,

    Recently Holland mentioned specifically that he’d had players in DET ask for a trade during the summer, and end up playing for the team that year. Looks like he’s shoring up around Jesse anticipating him not being here but leaving the door open if he changes his mind.

  141. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    FUN FACT:

    – Vlaad Jr is in the home-run derby. I would be surprised if there has ever been a participant that has accomplished so little. I’m more certain no participant had been in the position where they could hit more Dingers in the Derby than their current HR all-time production: Vlaad has 8 dingers.

    * I love Vlaad, but man, do something to earn the invite, or have a young-guns division

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot:
    Volume shooting is outdated.It is volume shooting from the right areas, or shots from non-ideal areas with a purpose in mind.

    Shooting for shooting sake is dumb. McLellan advocated a lot of mindless shooting.

    Good teams focus on getting shots from high danger areas.If one is shooting from non-high danger areas, it is part of a plan to get the puck to a teammate who will be in a high danger area for the rebound.

    Wait, Puljujarvi’s wristers from inside the blue line weren’t effective?????

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    DarthTu:
    I’m still clinging to the hope that Puljujarvi turns into a bonafide NHL player.However, at this point if getting Lucic’s contract off the books means moving Jesse along with it, I do it in a heartbeat.I’d probably take Smith over Sutter and plug him as the 3rd line C for the next 2 years.

    I believe that Jesse could/would absolutely become an NHL player if, well, he put himself in a position to play NHL games (well, would have been better if he and his agent didn’t crater the ability to play in the AHL).

    With that said, barring some sort of massive flip, that’s not going to be as an Oiler and he will need to be traded at some point. Further, from accounts, the Penguins wouldn’t even give up Rust for him and, to me, that trade would be egregious against the Oilers and I’m super disapointed in how low his trade value is.

    Since his trade value is so low, I can’t imagine he is enough of a sweetener to get rid of Lucic full stop (i.e. no retained salary, no anchor coming back) – but, yes, 100%, if that is available, its a no-brainer – it seems there is almost no chance of him developing as Oiler (blah) and disposing of Lucic looks to be massively expensive so, damn right, I’d pay Jesse at this point – and i hate that.

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Would you trade Lucic + JP for Loui Ericksson though? That’s most likely what it’ll end up being…

    That one is tougher.

    Eriksson is an actual NHL hockey player still. He’s a legit 3rd line NHL player that can PK.

    Lucic, well, he’s replacement level subject to the fantasy bounce back.

  145. Reja says:

    Professor Q: It’s a delicous wee franchise place that has really good pitas. Perhaps they don’t have them out West, or maybe not in the same frequency?

    Oh Pita Pit yea now I know my nieces said it was tasty. We don’t have a franchise where l live.

  146. Lowetide says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Rube Foster,

    Recently Holland mentioned specifically that he’d had players in DET ask for a trade during the summer, and end up playing for the team that year.Looks like he’s shoring up around Jesse anticipating him not being here but leaving the door open if he changes his mind.

    I think Tatar took off home for a year.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV: Lots of teams have bad contracts and manage to win.Boston gets to the final with Backes. And he’s just as bad. Little quibble. Although Lucic is slow, the overwhelming worst part of his game is his hands. He can’t take a pass, he can’t make a pass, his shot is meh and for a big man, he loses way too many board battles because it’s easy to strip the puck from him.

    Yes, I have to agree with this.

    Lucic’s possession numbers and goal share aren’t actually bad, even away from McDavid – I guess he is a “responsible player”, however, he is an absolute crater to any offence (at least from my eye test) and this is due to his inability to make a play – to take a pass and transition the puck forward with any sort of speed and efficiency – its unreal how bad and slow he is with this and I’m actually surprised that he doesn’t lead to more goals against due to his inability to help get the puck out of the zone.

    With that said, I am now firmly on the “Lucic-bounce back train” – I can’t see that contract being traded, I just.

    I won’t really dream of a 20G/45P bounce-back but maybe, just maybe, a 12-15G/30P bounce back?

    There was nothing in his play last year to suggest that is possible but, dammit, I’m looking for it now.

  148. GMB3 says:

    Kevin Labanc for 1 mill? That’s a value contract. I’d love to have a 6th rounder put up 56 points one year. I thought Maksimov may have been that guy on his draft day but it appears to be less likely at this time.

  149. GMB3 says:

    Rube Foster,

    I remember convincing a few of my buddies to make the ferry trip into Vancouver to watch McDavids first game in Van. He set up Yakupov for a beauty.

    I thought ConYakPoo was going to be legit, I loved watching Pouliot play with McDavid. They both could fly, Pou had some real skill.

    Seems a lifetime ago now. I was a much more optimistic person in those days

  150. commonfan29 says:

    HT Joe: Now imagine the Oilers squandering / devaluing 7 or 8 assets for McDavid…

    The over/under for how many of those 7 or 8 assets would have strong ties to the Edmonton area is 2.5.

  151. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: I agree this would be ideal.
    A reasonable Plan B would have been to not sign Chiasson and get a legit top 6 winger (like Gusev, or others with established NHL credentials) with the $ and cap that WAS available before signing him.

    – I believe Chiasson was signed for “optics”. They were not able to get a free-agent winger better, and they wanted to show a “win” early. Chiasson was not on anyones radar, in the press at all

    – Had we not signed him so quick, suspect he’d still be available (or signed for cheaper elsewhere)

    – Recall reading a few weeks ago that Chiasson hadn’t heard from Oil, but he wanted to resign

  152. YKOil says:

    Wow. I get Doug Wilson sold Labanc a bill of goods on getting the band (Marleau, Thornton, etc) back together for one last go but that is an irresponsible contract.

    Does he really think, that if he gets a career ending injury, that the Sharks will pay him what he just gave up? Who is this guys agent?

  153. London Jon says:

    Marc: When you’re standing on a table, stein of Paulaner in hand, singing Come On Eileen with an oompah band, you know you’re living your best life.

    Mmm, Paulaner is a good beer.

    There’s a German bier hall on the river near where I live. The only downside is their license forces you to buy German food with your German beer

  154. Rube Foster says:

    GMB3:
    Rube Foster,

    I remember convincing a few of my buddies to make the ferry trip into Vancouver to watch McDavids first game in Van. He set up Yakupov for a beauty.

    I thought ConYakPoo was going to be legit, I loved watching Pouliot play with McDavid. They both could fly, Pou had some real skill.

    Seems a lifetime ago now. I was a much more optimistic person in those days

    That would be because The ConnYak Poo Combo appeared to be legit to everyone who saw them play together… except McLellan.

    It was a sweet 3 or 4 game run as I recall. Poo could keep up with Connor and Yak’s bees went on holiday – Then Yak got mugged/abused by the Ref. ConnYak Poo was never to be seen ever again.

    Then Pouliot shit in Todd’s Corn Flakes and that damn Yakupov ate bulgur for breakfast… the silly kid didn’t even have the decency to eat corn flakes! Can you imagine?!

    It truly is remarkable what the Oilers have done to once established or promising NHL player’s careers.

  155. Reja says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I believe Chiasson was signed for “optics”.They were not able to get a free-agent winger better, and they wanted to show a “win” early.Chiasson was not on anyones radar, in the press at all

    – Had we not signed him so quick, suspect he’d still be available (or signed for cheaper elsewhere)

    – Recall reading a few weeks ago that Chiasson hadn’t heard from Oil, but he wanted to resign

    I agree after what I believe Connolly turned down at the last second 4×4. Does this mean Chase has dropped below 14 if it has I’ll buy more.

  156. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Would anyone trade Lucic for Philip Broberg?

    I wanted them to use the first pick to offload Lucic, maybe would have required more given the market (See Leafs) but I still think it would have been the right thing to do if it were possible.

  157. Professor Q says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Would anyone trade Lucic for Philip Broberg?

    I wanted them to use the first pick to offload Lucic, maybe would have required more given the market (See Leafs) but I still think it would have been the right thing to do if it were possible.

    Why would the Oilers trade with themselves?

  158. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Professor Q,

    No, just that during the season I really wanted that 1st round pick to be in play to unload Lucic. It was unpopular though even Lowetide flirted with the idea. But legions of people suggested the price to pay was too dear.

    I just wonder in retrospect now that the draft is over and Milan Lucic is set to lace em up in October for the Edmonton Oilers whether or not thats still where people are at.

    Should have done it, were it possible.

  159. godot10 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    godot10,

    Would you rather:

    A) Broberg stay in Sweden for two years, working on his play away from the puck and up the depth chart, or;

    B) Broberg play one year in Sweden and move to BAK the next to work up the depth chart on the smaller ice and within the Oilers’ system of players and coaches?

    He’s a teenager, I’d rather he stay in Sweden until he is 20. It is much easier to move to another country at 20 then at 19, especially to a hell hole like Bakersfield.

    Unless he blows the SEL away like he did against his peers at the Hlinka and the U-18’s. He was so-so against men last year. I’d prefer him to master the SEL first.

  160. godot10 says:

    Sierra:
    Per tsn.ca

    Markus Lehto, said changes at general manager and head coach have done little to sway the 21-year-old.

    “Although the Oilers have a new well-respected GM and a new coach the team is still pretty much the same,” Lehto said, as translated by the Edmonton Journal. “Sometimes a player and a team are not a fit. This seems to be the case here. Nothing radical about it.”

    Lehto said last month he believed Puljujarvi was in need of a fresh start.

    “It doesn’t make sense to go back where we were last season, it’s not good for either side,” Lehto told Finnish reporter Tommi Seppala. “Discussions about parting ways have been going on for weeks already. Jesse needs a fresh start and it’s nothing against the Oilers.”

    Jesse has issues with the locker room, and the locker room has issues with Jesse. If you want Jesse to stay, Connor has to make the dressing room a “safe space” for Jesse, because it clearly isn’t at the moment.

  161. GMB3 says:

    godot10: He’s a teenager,I’d rather he stay in Sweden until he is 20.It is much easier to move to another country at 20 then at 19, especially to a hell hole like Bakersfield.

    Unless he blows the SEL away like he did against his peers at the Hlinka and the U-18’s.He was so-so against men last year.I’d prefer him to master the SEL first.

    Agreed. Bakersfield is such a dump. I’ve had buddies who played in Bakersfield in the minors and said it was a bottom 5 place in all of the milb

  162. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wait, Puljujarvi’s wristers from inside the blue line weren’t effective?????

    He did what he was told to do.

  163. GMB3 says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Professor Q,

    No, just that during the season I really wanted that 1st round pick to be in play to unload Lucic. It was unpopular though even Lowetide flirted with the idea. But legions of people suggested the price to pay was too dear.

    I just wonder in retrospect now that the draft is over and Milan Lucic is set to lace em up in October for the Edmonton Oilers whether or not thats still where people are at.

    Should have done it, were it possible.

    If Broberg becomes a top pairing dman in Edmonton for a decade you might change your mind. If he was somewhere else, we would be complaining about how we needed a GM good enough to orchestrate another deal to get rid of him. Or if there are upcoming compliance buyouts, that trade would look terrible in hindsight.

    I was against trading it in season, it could have been a top 3 pick. Could have easily been Kakko. I still wouldn’t use Broberg to get rid of Lucic, and I’m not even a fan of the pick.

  164. godot10 says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Would anyone trade Lucic for Philip Broberg?

    I wanted them to use the first pick to offload Lucic, maybe would have required more given the market (See Leafs) but I still think it would have been the right thing to do if it were possible.

    No. I wouldn’t have traded the pick. I am content having Lucic practice and sit in the pressbox.

  165. Side says:

    godot10: He did what he was told to do.

    I actually heard he was explicitly told not to do that.

  166. godot10 says:

    Side: I actually heard he was explicitly told not to do that.

    Volume shooting. Go read the quote in above in the body of the blog post.

    Puljujarvi is a playmaker. He got to #4OV handling the puck. McLellan chose to not play him, and when he played, they told him not to handle the puck. They told him to place and chase, or to shoot.

  167. Side says:

    godot10: Volume shooting. Go read the quote in above in the body of the blog post.

    Puljujarvi is a playmaker.He got to #4OV handling the puck.McLellan chose to not play him, and when he played, they told him not to handle the puck.They told him to place and chase, or to shoot.

    How do you explain all of the other players who successfully handle the puck on the Oilers without throwing it away?

    How do you confidently gleam the interpersonal relationships between coaches and players, or players and players, without any actual knowledge of said relationships?

    It’s incredible to me, really.

  168. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Man, if EDM had taken a top 8 ranked prospect I might think twice about dealing them to dump Lucic.

    Need some more time on Broberg to care about him as an asset more. Would I trade the 16th overall pick in a so-so draft to dump Lucic? Sure.

  169. Marc says:

    Bohologo: Nice pull! Just to be clear, are you advocating for strictly The Jam, or the broader Paul Weller catalogue?(I’d tilt toward the latter, because Style Council and solo material are great.)

    I was just thinking The Jam, but using Weller’s whole discography would give our host a much richer pool of songs to draw from for his RE.

  170. Marc says:

    Munny: This is awesome… may I ask what town?

    London (the UK one). A pub called the Munich Cricket Club.

  171. Reja says:

    godot10: Jesse has issues with the locker room, and the locker room has issues with Jesse.If you want Jesse to stay, Connor has to make the dressing room a “safe space” for Jesse, because it clearly isn’t at the moment.

    Jesse’s a Finnish hillbilly that’s hard to communicate with Connor Leon and Kosh have enough pressure on them the constant babysitting after 3 years wears on a person don’t you think.

  172. Marc says:

    London Jon: Mmm, Paulaner is a good beer.

    There’s a German bier hall on the river near where I live. The only downside is their license forces you to buy German food with your German beer

    Oh man. That’s the wurst.

    Sorry

  173. London Jon says:

    Marc: London (the UK one).A pub called the Munich Cricket Club.

    Hadn’t heard of it before. Looks good, I’ll check it out.

    The one I mentioned is Stein’s. On the river in Richmond (the UK one)

  174. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: My predictions is that Lucic will continue to struggle and will be bought out before the expansion draft. He is currently untradeable.

    I simply can’t get on-side with any buy out of that contract given the damn signing bonuses and egregious buyout structure unless they know, with certainty, that he won’t wait for the purposes of the expansion draft. I know all about Godot’s position that we won’t waive b/c he can make more more via buy-out and re-sign, however, even though that may be true, I do think he would waive and then he won’t have to be protected.

    If he does refuse to waiver then, sign, yes, buyout.

    Come on Milan, give us 12G/30P this year.

  175. VanIsleOil says:

    All this beer and mustard talk has me hungry and thirsty. After work today, I will indulge in a new favorite beer of mine,Hoyne Pilsner. It’s an excellent beer from an excellent local brewery among many here in Victoria. The quality of local beers here are excellent and Vancouver Island also has over a dozen very good micro distilleries as well. Great choices for beer & spirits on this wonderful Island!!

  176. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot: I’m expecting two years in Sweden.There is no need to rush.

    Maybe but we’ll have to wait and see how this year goes for him in Sweden and also what the Condors look like for 2020/21 (which of Bouchard, Sammy, Jones, Laggeson have “graduated”, etc).

    I’m not against SHL for a 2nd year but also would like to get him to North America and get Dave Manson in his ear.

  177. jeetz says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Well hoping against all hope, I guess I’ll have to start penciling Lucic in the lineup

    So far RHN has no linemates… ouch

    Easy one:
    Kassian McD Draisaitl

    Then:

    XXX RNH XXX (could be 1 more acquisition plus Benson, or Jurco or Gagner or Haas)
    Chiasson Haas Granlund (could be Boyle at center)
    Lucic Khaira Nygard
    Cave

    Top 3 Def is pretty static:

    Larsson Klef Nurse

    Bottom 3 is more fluid:

    Benning Russell Persson Jones

    Not a lot to cheer about this line up

  178. OriginalPouzar says:

    HT Joe: Agreed… OP just finally convinced me that I shouldn’t have expected much more for the Pronger trade (thanks OP for walking me slowly through that one).
    – recent top 10 defensive prospect
    – 2x first rounders
    – 1x 2nd rounder
    – 28-goal scorer forward

    It’s not Anaheim’s fault that the Oilers de-valued or squandered all 5 assets… but the Oiler’s probably wouldn’t have gotten much more for Pronger.

    Wow, thank you for this. I have had the position for years and years and year and, of course, very few agree that the asset value return on Pronger when the trade as made was very substantial – many have strong emotions with regard to Pronger and the trade and not once ever have I every actually been successful in changing someone’s mind on the topic.

  179. OmJo says:

    jeetz,

    “Hey Nuge, I know you’re sick of playing with bottom 6 players, so here’s uh… Gagner and some guy from Switzerland. You can thank me later. So shall we start discussing a contract extension now or would you rather wait a bit?”

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Stauffer saying 90% chance Lucic is an Oiler next year.

    Also says if they acquire a forward it’s either $2M in UFA – or through trade with a team that’s having ‘a hard time with their RFAs’.

    Sounds like maybe NYR (Trouba, Buchnevich, Lemieux, Deangelo). Not sure who would squeeze out of NYR, Gorton is a smart GM.

    Yup – that contract is just so darn bad for how bad Lucic has played for two years – it can’t be traded without major, major assets going out – I just can’t see it.

    I’m still targeting Vegas for the trade – Cody Eakin for the 3C.

    Yes, I’d rather get Gusev (if he’s willing to sign for less than $4M and no longer than 2 years – even that is a risk) but, with so much demand, I just don’t see the 2nd and Bear type offer working.

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: 40 lbs shredded in the first 8 months… I actually added beer back into my diet because I felt the weight was coming off too fast.But I tellya, the first time with beer on Keto I was buzzed at two light beer and completely rocked at 3… and before that a 6 pack of regular would scarcely make me blink.

    I’m 53 and now the weight I was in my first year of University.Feels great.

    Congrats – that’s an amazing achievement and, no offence, even morose at your age. Love hearing success stories.

    I do have some pretty strong thoughts/opinions on if it was “keto” that led to the weight loss or really keto that led to the required calories deficit that is necessary and also how much of the initial weight was water loss from reduction of carbs (body retains 4g of water for every gram of carb it processes) and sodium, etc.

    If you do want to chat about it at all, at any time, just let me know – happy to post my e-mail here (as I’ve done before).

  182. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:

    Does NYR only have $8M to sign Buch, Trouba, Lemieux, and Deangelo?!

    Not even close – Trouba will take at least $7M I’m quite confident.

    Rangers need to shed but, when I looked at their roster sometime in the last week, I didn’t really see a player that made sense for the Oilers (well, except Strome).

    Lemieux himself would be a great acquisition.

    JP plus ??????

  183. Marc says:

    London Jon: Hadn’t heard of it before. Looks good, I’ll check it out.

    The one I mentioned is Stein’s. On the river in Richmond (the UK one)

    Thanks! German beer by the river definitely sounds worth checking out.

  184. Rube Foster says:

    Reja: Jesse’s a Finnish hillbilly that’s hard to communicate with Connor Leon and Kosh have enough pressure on them the constant babysitting after 3 years wears on a person don’t you think.

    Reja,

    I enjoy most of your contributions around these parts but “hillbilly” and “babysitting” are charitably HARSH terms and if I’m going to be honest, downright mean.

    If beating up on a 20 year old kid trying to find his way in the world is your cup tea (which I hope it is not, and I want to believe you’re better than that) I’d advise you to spend some time with actual Edmonton area 20 years old to gain some perspective on what Jesse has been enduring the past three years.

    To your point, good pro sports organizations do acquire “baby sitters” to mind and take care of young gifted prospects. Robert Thomas and the Tkachuk family in St. Louis being a prime example. Pro baseball teams have been hiring interpreters and minders to assist young and not so young Japanese Baseball Players make the adjustment to life and sport in North America for years. It’s all a part of managing your assets.

    The Oilers as an organization have been destroying the value of established NHL players and young prospects for years. Jesse’s challenges of having his hockey career mishandled by the Edmonton Oilers do not make him unique.

    A good organization would find a way to maximize the value of Jesse Puljujarvi as an asset. We will find out soon enough if Ken Holland is turning the Edmonton Oilers into a good organization.

    The “Jesse Situation” will be one of the biggest tests of Holland as an agent of change. In the meantime, I would encourage all of us to cut the kid some slack (though have at his agent) and light a candle for Jesse regaining his mojo.

  185. anjinsan says:

    I have faith that Ken Holland is absolutely competent. But absolute competence may not be enough to rectify what’s gone wrong. Connor is not and will not be a martyr for Cats.

  186. Drew says:

    OmJo: Caillou

    Caillou is to emotional, i’d do the Berenstain Bears in a 1 for 4 though.

    Love those bears.

  187. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Does anyone think Russell may have value to the Kings? McLellan really liked that guy.

    Hmmm, they certainly could use some help on the blue line and, at least for forwards, have no problem acquiring aging players.

    What do the Oilers have to add to get Toffoli or Lewis?

    If Kovalchuk didn’t have that 2nd year with a risky plus 35 contract (trade protection aside)……

  188. YKOil says:

    Rube Foster:
    To your point, good pro sports organizations do acquire “baby sitters” to mind and take care of young gifted prospects. Robert Thomas and the Tkachuk family in St. Louis being a prime example.Pro baseball teams have been hiring interpreters and minders to assist young and not so young Japanese Baseball Players make the adjustment to life and sport in North America for years. It’s all a part of managing your assets.

    The Oilers as an organization have been destroying the value of established NHL players and young prospects for years. Jesse’s challenges of having his hockey career mishandled by the Edmonton Oilers do not make him unique.

    A good organization would find a way to maximize the value of Jesse Puljujarvi as an asset. We will find out soon enough if Ken Holland is turning the Edmonton Oilers into a good organization.

    Carolina: Martinook and Svechnikov

    Sounds like they got it right.

  189. rickithebear says:

    Volume is Part of goal mass formula.
    Increased volume is achieved by staying further away from net.
    Less shot density.
    Making the closed shot % higher without gaining mass. In many cases the density reduction affect is more critical than the increased volume.
    It results in less goal mass. ( total goals)

    Not a fan of wasted 0X density shooting caused by volume shooting.

  190. Rube Foster says:

    Side: How do you explain all of the other players who successfully handle the puck on the Oilers without throwing it away?

    Perhaps its because I spend a great deal of time with kids who are in the range of 20 years old, but I feel a great deal of empathy for young Jesse Puljujarvi.

    Yes, Jesse has been guilty of lofting muffins at goalies. But, the question should be, given that he’s been handled by the organization so poorly, does he have the potential to fulfill his vast promise?

    In 2017/18 Jesse Puljujarvi scored 12 goals in 65 games. During the season, Connor, Leon, Nuge, Maroon, Caggiula and Rattie (14 GP) scored more goals per game than Jesse, ranking him Seventh in Goals Scored per Game for the 17/18 Edmonton Oilers. Top Nine production on a bad hockey team.

    In 2018/19 Jesse Puljujarvi scored 4 goals in 46 games. During the season, Connor, Leon, Nuge, Kassian, Caggiula, Gagner and Currie (21 GP) scored more goals per game than Jesse, ranking him Ninth in Goals Scored per Game for the 18/19 Edmonton Oilers. Top Nine production on a bad hockey team.

    It is universally agreed that for the past three seasons, Jesse Puljujarvi’s NHL development has been poorly managed by the Edmonton Oilers.

    It is universally agreed that Jesse Puljujariv has played for a bad NHL hockey team for the past two seasons.

    It is also universally agreed that Jesse Puljujarvi has underperformed given his skill set and talent.

    Despite these agreements, Jesse Puljujarvi has delivered top nine goals per game scoring rates on the Edmonton Oilers roster the past two seasons.

    If I may offer a little perspective, basic Math shows us that, Jesse Puljujarvi “has successfully handled the puck on the Edmonton Oilers” at top nine production levels – granted that’s been on a bad NHL hockey team, but I’m not certain that problem in its entirety lays at the young Finn’s feet.

    Given the current options on the Edmonton Oilers roster, whether we like it or not Jesse Puljujarvi is just as likely our best hope to fill a top-six role than anyone not named Connor, Leon, Nuge, Kass or Chiasson.

    … and there’s not too many NHL rosters where Kassian or Chiasson would be legitimate top six options.

  191. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eh Team: Lucic will have to be bought out prior to the expansion draft by whatever team is with.Nobody is going to waste a protection spot on him.

    The Oilers are doomed as long as they have Lucic and Russell on the squad.

    Technically, if Lucic waives his NMC for a trade, its the acquiring team’s choice whether it continues or falls away.

    Of course, Milan would make it a condition of any trade that the clause continues.

    Of course, the team could also receive assurance from Lucic that he would waive for the purposes of the expansion draft knowing there is all but zero chance that Seattle would choose him (and it likely being a fine destination for Milan in any event).

    The contract remains untradeable without egregious assets out but the NMC vis-a-vis the expansion draft likely isn’t a big factor, in my mind.

  192. Drew says:

    Rube Foster: Reja,

    I enjoy most of your contributions around these parts but “hillbilly” and “babysitting” are charitably HARSH terms and if I’m going to be honest, downright mean.

    If beating up on a 20 year old kid trying to find his way in the world is your cup tea (which I hope it is not, and I want to believe you’re better than that) I’d advise you to spend some time with actual Edmonton area 20 years old to gain some perspective on what Jesse has been enduring the past three years.

    To your point, good pro sports organizations do acquire “baby sitters” to mind and take care of young gifted prospects. Robert Thomas and the Tkachuk family in St. Louis being a prime example.Pro baseball teams have been hiring interpreters and minders to assist young and not so young Japanese Baseball Players make the adjustment to life and sport in North America for years. It’s all a part of managing your assets.

    The Oilers as an organization have been destroying the value of established NHL players and young prospects for years. Jesse’s challenges of having his hockey career mishandled by the Edmonton Oilers do not make him unique.

    A good organization would find a way to maximize the value of Jesse Puljujarvi as an asset. We will find out soon enough if Ken Holland is turning the Edmonton Oilers into a good organization.

    The “Jesse Situation” will be one of the biggest tests of Holland an agent of change. In the meantime, I would encourage all of us to cut the kid some slack (though have at his agent) and light a candle for Jesse regaining his mojo.

    Staufer used this term in describing Kosk “babysitting” JP in his first year here and now not having to should take some load off him.

    Louie Debrusk was not soft peddling his description and suggested better for the Oilers for him not staying around.

    Read between the lines, JP seems to have serious issues.

  193. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Rube Foster,

    Recently Holland mentioned specifically that he’d had players in DET ask for a trade during the summer, and end up playing for the team that year.Looks like he’s shoring up around Jesse anticipating him not being here but leaving the door open if he changes his mind.

    I listened to that from Holland. If I can remember correctly it was Abdelkader that wanted a trade?

    I do think that Holland is absolutely willing to have Jesse as an Oiler this season (if he’d sign a reasonable contract) but, from accounts and the verbal from Jesse’s representatives, at least at this point, it sure doesn’t seem like the player is going to be willing.

    I really hope Jesse does agree to sign, work his ass off and try and get his NHL career back on track as an Oiler – I don’t see it happening though.

  194. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: I think Tatar took off home for a year.

    I think it was Abdelkader though, no?

  195. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB51;:
    Kevin Labanc for 1 mill? That’s a value contract. I’d love to have a 6th rounder put up 56 points one year. I thought Maksimov may have been that guy on his draft day but it appears to be less likely at this time.

    I just can’t understand that contract – its like his agent is the Chiarelli of agent – he should be able to get quadruple that – does he want Jumbo Joe back that badly? So weird.

  196. OriginalPouzar says:

    CheliosisaDinosaur:
    Would anyone trade Lucic for Philip Broberg?

    Using the 1st rounder was a suggestion to dispose of Lucic and I disagreed with it at the time and still disagree with it now – as it turns out, it likely wouldn’t have even been enough.

    The cost to dispose is simply too egregious at this point – it can’t be done, its just too costly.

    I’m on the Lucic-rebound train – even 30P, yes, a big rebound but, come on Milan, your barely 30.

  197. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    VanIsleOil,

    Hoyne is an absolutely fantastic brewery. I did a walking tour starting at Hoyne, to Driftwood, had a pint and a bite at Moon Under Water, and then finished at Phillips. Good thing we had a d/d because by the time I left Driftwood (where our guide was friends with the guy working the taps) I was walking tilted.

  198. ArmchairGM says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR: I’m not even remotely in favour of this either, but to your point, the return on Lindros won the cup for Colorado.Yet both teams were happy with the trade.

    Well sure, if we’re ignoring the Montreal trade that brought 2-time Conn Smyth winner Patrick Roy to the team.

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