Two for the Show

I believe Caleb Jones will win the No. 6 spot opening night for the Edmonton Oilers. He’ll have competition, including a “perfect fit” outlet passer in Evan Bouchard. I think Jones gets the first shot to win an NHL job and settle in, with the second recall possibly occurring around Game No. 40. Make no mistake: We’re going to see an invasion of defensemen in Edmonton over the next two seasons. It’s unavoidable.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A missing mom, aching feet and looking for Kevin Lowe: A week in the life of Oilers prospect Raphael Lavoie
  • New Lowetide: What to do when Connor McDavid rests: The Oilers’ ideal No. 2 line for 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Adding a scorer will be Ken Holland’s first big move as Oilers GM
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the Oilers’ depth chart looks like now and where they go from here
  • Jonathan Willis: How often do goalies like the Oilers’ Mike Smith rebound?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s roster moves clear the way for Oilers top prospects Tyler Benson and Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers GM Ken Holland promises long-term rewards for an approach light on short-term improvements
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Trade market now most likely place for Oilers to find scoring winger
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘He comes as advertised’: Philip Broberg’s skating makes him development camp standout for Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers plan to skew younger on defence could open the door for Evan Bouchard, Dmitri Samorukov
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.
  • Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?

In 1979-80, the Oilers used rookies Kevin Lowe and Risto Siltanen heavily. I observed the team closely that year, and both men spent time in Glen Sather’s doghouse.

In late December 1979, Lowe was struggling and there were rumors about him getting sent out (Mike Forbes). Sather at the time: “If a guy is making the same mistakes over and over again, you’ve got to be concerned. But if he’s learning then you’ve got to be patient.” 

This is going to happen in 2019-20, 40 years later. It won’t be pretty, it never is with young blue. In 1980-81, Paul Coffey had chaos moments so bad Slats turned instantly grey, and the hockey Gods would send him Charlie Huddy by the end of the season.

By 1981-82, those four men (with veterans Lee Fogolin, Doug Hicks and Gary Lariviere) formed Edmonton’s blue. Names left behind over those years included Pat Price, Colin Campbell, Al Hamilton, Mike Forbes.

We have the laundry list. Jones, Evan Bouchard, Ethan Bear, William Lagesson, Joel Persson, Dmitri Samorukov, Logan Day. We don’t know the Lowe, Coffey and we sure as hell don’t know the Huddy. If there is a Lowe, Coffey or Huddy. I think the best bets are Jones, Bouchard and Samorukov. Don’t be surprised if they are recalled in that order.

Jones has the best goal differential among Condors and received the NHL recall. He has good boots and learns on the job. I think he’s going to be a legit NHL defenseman. History teaches us just one name will make it to (say) 500 games, and we should acknowledge the possibility that none of these blue make it that far. Injuries are absolutely a major factor in longevity for NHL defensemen.

Offloading veterans

During the two year period that begins this fall, the orderly exit of vet Oilers rearguards might look like this:

Matt Benning: Dealt once Evan Bouchard, Ethan Bear or Joel Persson establish themselves as a bona fide NHL player who can remain healthy and play solid third pairing minutes. Estimate: Deadline 2020.

Brandon Manning: Contract expires at the end of the 2019-20 season.

Kris Russell: Buyout or trade possible summer 2020, he’ll be blocking several blue by this time next season, lord willing and the creek don’t rise.

Darnell Nurse: I’m writing about this today for The Athletic, should be up tomorrow some time. Fascinating situation.

Adam Larsson: He’ll be one year from free agency summer 2020, Edmonton will be thinking about expansion draft and playoffs. Much would have to go right in order for the Oilers to consider trading him.

Playoffs

Yesterday I posted my initial RE, with the Oilers coming in at 230-252. Several of you dm’d and said something along the lines that it still wasn’t a playoff team. I didn’t predict playoffs and doubt that’s possible at this time. A team that is -22 isn’t a playoff bunch. Here are the goal differentials for last season’s western conference playoff teams:

Calgary +62

Winnipeg +28

San Jose +28

Nashville +26

St. Louis +24

Vegas +19

Colorado +14

Dallas +8

Not close to the playoffs. I do believe they’ll be tighter defensively under Tippett and also believe the secondary scoring will improve. Long way from being a playoff club.

They never valued him, didn’t know what they had in Taylor Hall. Incredible. The fans earned the No. 1 overall pick in 2010, not one manager gave that fact a moment’s thought. That’s why I’ll never believe anything said about Jesse Puljujarvi. Why would anyone?

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  1. Jethro Tull says:

    To be fair, JP isn’t Hall. So a comparison is a little more nuanced.

  2. Andy Dufresne says:

    Not close to the playoffs.

    ~ But we’ve got Calgary’s +68 goalie now and they’ve got 12 first shot goals against to look forward to; So theres that ~

  3. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull:
    To be fair, JP isn’t Hall. So a comparison is a little more nuanced.

    Song remains the same. Want to know what’s wrong with Oilers players? Ask a manager. It shouldn’t be this way. Holland’s handling of JP suggests to me he is taking advice from the people who remain, and for me it’s a mistake. Go opposite George, Ken, do it today!

  4. Andy Dufresne says:

    Philosphical type question for the group.

    If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

    OR,

    No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

    Which would you choose?

  5. bwar says:

    Feels like last chance time for Matt Benning this season. A bit strange since he seems to bring quite a bit to the table. I feel like he’s going to get a look with Darnell Nurse this season to see if he’s up for jumping to the second pairing. If Benning is up for the job, I like the idea of Jones/Bear/Bouchard saddling up beside the Caroilne Cowboy on the third pairing. I hope we see several of the prospects get a chance this year and we get in a position where a few of our current defense either become expendable or can safely be moved down the lineup a peg.

  6. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide: Song remains the same. Want to know what’s wrong with Oilers players? Ask a manager. It shouldn’t be this way. Holland’s handling of JP suggests to me he is taking advice from the people who remain, and for me it’s a mistake. Go opposite George, Ken, do it today!

    Oh, I agree. But that would suggest Chia was being advised by the same people and not the lone wolf that has been subtlety hinted at.

    And we decided to cut bait on Hall after he had how many good seasons? If JP gives us half of Hall’s production, he’s a keeper.

  7. bwar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Philosphical type question for the group.

    If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

    OR,

    No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

    Which would you choose?

    I think McDavid getting traded would probably be the last straw for me, wouldn’t matter how many cups the Oilers won after that.

  8. jp says:

    Lowetide: Holland’s handling of JP suggests to me he is taking advice from the people who remain, and for me it’s a mistake. Go opposite George, Ken, do it today!

    What do you mean? What could/should Holland do with Jesse that he isn’t doing due to advice from the management group?

  9. HT Joe says:

    bwar: I think McDavid getting traded would probably be the last straw for me, wouldn’t matter how many cups the Oilers won after that.

    Don’t worry… if they alienate McDavid and trade him, they won’t ever win any cups.

  10. Jethro Tull says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Philosphical type question for the group.

    If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

    OR,

    No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

    Which would you choose?

    Nope. Not biting. The words “hear me out, but what would be the return for McDavid, hypothetically?” are marching with ill considered elan towards this blog.

    And that’s a short hop to “the Lindros haul got the Avs a cup” and right there, my friend, is where I get off this boat.

  11. HT Joe says:

    Regarding the tweet above:

    ******************************************************
    So this means:
    – Oilers offered Hall for Risto and BUF said no
    – Oilers offered Hall for Ceci and OTT said no
    – Oilers offered Hall for Larsson and NJ said yes
    Man, Hall trade is the gift that keeps on giving. https://
    ******************************************************

    That is really painful. And what I’m about to say hurts too…

    From all accounts MacTavish was against the Hall trade. And he’s the one who’s no longer with this team. The guy who wanted to keep Hall is the one who’s gone?! It seemed good for MacT and the Oilers to part ways, but if there are any supporters of the Hall trade still with the team, that’s a big damn problem.

  12. Jaxon says:

    Just thinking out loud…

    I keep thinking there might be a trade to be made with CBJ. Their contender window has seemingly closed quite quickly on them.

    Jesse Puljujarvi, Mikko Koskinen, Caleb Jones, Ryan McLeod, Joel Persson
    for
    Josh Anderson, Oliver Bjorkstrand, David Savard

    It’s a bit late but maybe the Oilers could sign another KHL goalie like Emil Garipov, Magnus Hellberg, Vasili Demchenko, or Lars Johansson. I honestly don’t think they’d be any more risky than Koskinen. CBJ is badly in need of a goalie with a young Korpisalo as their starter and Merzlikins as their backup. Koskinen/Korpisalo might be an okay tandem. Sign them to the max cap space the Oilers can afford for 1 year, so they can go to open market next summer. Brayden Holtby is a UFA next summer. Would he want to come home to Alberta?

    With maybe one or two of Kris Russell, Ryan McLeod, Markus Granlund, Aapeli Rasanen, Joel Persson, Logan Day, Cooper Marody as minor pieces for maybe one or two of Riley Nash, David Savard, Fix-Wolansky, Ryan Murray? Would any of these pieces be able to balance out the main trade?

    Just throwing it out there to see if anyone can think of a way to make it work.

  13. Andy Dufresne says:

    “They never valued him, didn’t know what they had in Taylor Hall. Incredible. The fans earned the No. 1 overall pick in 2010, not one manager gave that fact a moment’s thought.”

    What is it that all these Managers had in common that led to / created this?

    Is there some sort of hockey business principle by which they govern?

    Like some specific brand of leadership that they value above all else?

    Some kind of loyalty equation?

    It almost fits the operating perameters of some kind of quasi military organization:

    Fall in Line
    Chain of Command
    Obedience
    Tear em down to Build em Up
    Command and Control
    Honour, Courage and Commitment

    Etc, Etc

  14. who says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Philosphical type question for the group.

    If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

    OR,

    No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

    Which would you choose?

    I’d rather watch McDavid every night. I hope he wins a cup for his sake, not mine.
    I watch hockey to be entertained so I prefer to keep the most entertainig player in the world. St Louis was a nice story, but do they really have a guy who keeps you on the edge of your seat.

  15. pts2pndr says:

    HT Joe:
    Regarding the tweet above:

    ******************************************************
    So this means:
    – Oilers offered Hall for Risto and BUF said no
    – Oilers offered Hall for Ceci and OTT said no
    – Oilers offered Hall for Larsson and NJ said yes
    Man, Hall trade is the gift that keeps on giving. https://
    ******************************************************

    That is really painful.And what I’m about to say hurts too…

    From all accounts MacTavish was against the Hall trade.And he’s the one who’s no longer with this team.The guy who wanted to keep Hall is the one who’s gone?!It seemed good for MacT and the Oilers to part ways, but if there are any supporters of the Hall trade still with the team, that’s a big damn problem.

    If you think about your last paragraph re MacT please explain how his hire Dallas Eakins and Hall were always at odds over training etc. MacT continued to back Eakins and approved the install of a never was Boston D as team captain. This screams to me that MacT was Not a Hall supporter and quite likely the voice instigating Hall’s trade.

  16. Durag says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Philosphical type question for the group.

    If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

    OR,

    No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

    Which would you choose?

    How about this instead:

    You are standing at a railroad switch. A train is about to run over three Connor McDavids stuck on the track. You can pull the switch so the train goes on the other track, which contains one Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, and the Stanley Cup.

    Do you pull that switch??

  17. Andy Dufresne says:

    bwar: I think McDavid getting traded would probably be the last straw for me, wouldn’t matter how many cups the Oilers won after that.

    I completely get that. Completely respect that.

    Its a tough call for me. McDavid is one of a kind. Like watching fireworks; you can see them 1000 times, and the 1001 st time, they still inspire awe.

    But Hockey for me is all about that Cup.

    If the choice is absolutley binary; Either McDavid or the Cup

    I choose the Cup.

  18. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide: Darnell Nurse: I’m writing about this today for The Athletic, should be up tomorrow some time. Fascinating situation.

    IMO Nurse brings an element that none of the prospects duplicate. I would wait until summer 2020 and then re-assess, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Klefbom moved on when the time comes* as his skillset is more likely to be made redundant by the oncoming prospects.

    * Summer 2020 will not be that time. It will take 3-4 years before Samorukov / Broberg is ready for top-2 minutes; I don’t see Jones ever being able to play on the #1 pairing.

  19. Andy Dufresne says:

    Durag: How about this instead:

    You are standing at a railroad switch. A train is about to run over three Connor McDavids stuck on the track. You can pull the switch so the train goes on the other track, which contains one Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, and the Stanley Cup.

    Do you pull that switch??

    I cheat. I pull the switch half way and derail the train. 🙂

    But (kinda ) seriously, I take my hand off the switch. No NHL team in the cap era can afford 3 Conner McDavids! haha 🙂

    The NBA maybe.

  20. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide: Holland’s handling of JP suggests to me he is taking advice from the people who remain, and for me it’s a mistake. Go opposite George, Ken, do it today!

    What exactly do you think he should do?

  21. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Lowetide,

    Jethro Tull: Oh, I agree. But that would suggest Chia was being advised by the same people and not the lone wolf that has been subtlety hinted at.

    – For as much as I wanted Chia to succeed and defended him, my comment on the first day Chai was hired something along the line of who he brings in

    – While there has been some addition by subtraction with Suter and MacT (although it bothers me that 2 players we drafted by coincidence are playing for him), and there is going to be the inevitable “bump” from new coach and new GM and some stability,

    – But Holland has not brought anyone in: where is his next Yzerman? And Tippett: you all are going to as excited as when Hitch came in, and the gushing was over the top.

    – I’m disappointed that no upcoming executives have been brought in, no new sports science approach, no analytics, no awesome younger coach in waiting (well Jay in Bakersfield) It’s basically: “when I was winning in Detroit, we did this”, and with Tippett: sure he’s a going to be fine

    – Its basically the same vintage and “beliefs” as before, just from different organizations

    – I’m sure we will win more, but nothing from an organization so far seems: “best in class”, or “innovative”, or “ahead of the curve”

    – It’s just meh. Holland has more acumen on the fundamentals on the Hockey side than Chia, so he has that going for him (he’s a “rat rink”) It’s just not exciting management.

    – I have no problems with any of the off-season moves: hope they did their due-diligence on Sek

    – They should be better next year, baring a lot of missed time from Drai or McD

    – I just don’t see a structural change to “elite” though, and that’s what bothers me: old guys with grey hairs, who have long track records, and work the system: did some things good and bad: pros

    – Now if they revamp the management, and bring in say a NHL head-office guy who has game, and some cool analytic people, and a great GM-in-waiting, and a few people who aren’t the sameish age and demographic I will be ecstatic. None of this seems to be a priority though

  22. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Andy Dufresne:

    It almost fits the operating perameters of some kind of quasi military organization:

    Fall in Line
    Chain of Command
    Obedience
    Tear Em down to Build em Up
    Command and Control
    Honour, Courage and Commitment

    Etc, Etc

    Excellent observation! The archaic honour codes that govern the game seems like it would yield itself to such a hierarchy. I think you’re on to something.

  23. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Philosphical type question for the group.

    If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

    OR,

    No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

    Which would you choose?

    McDavid and HOPE. He’s just so special to watch.

  24. JJS says:

    I would state it a bit differently – I would rather watch 10 years of exciting, competitive hockey without a cup than 9 years of drudgery with 1 cup.

    Case in point, the Capitals and Lightening are teams that I would cheer for all day despite the lack of cups (obviously speaking about pre-2018 Capitals).

    So to your question – if the McDavid Oilers are absolute rockets that make it to the Conference finals every year but never win, count me in.

    Andy Dufresne: I completely get that. Completely respect that.

    Its a tough call for me. McDavid is one of a kind. Like watching fireworks; you can see them1000 times, and the 1001 st time,they still inspire awe.

    But Hockey for me is all about that Cup.

    If the choice is absolutley binary; Either McDavid or the Cup

    I choose the Cup.

  25. ArmchairGM says:

    Durag: How about this instead:

    You are standing at a railroad switch. A train is about to run over three Connor McDavids stuck on the track. You can pull the switch so the train goes on the other track, which contains one Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, and the Stanley Cup.

    Do you pull that switch??

    Yikes. Just kill me already.

  26. Andy Dufresne says:

    JJS:
    I would state it a bit differently – I would rather watch 10 years of exciting, competitive hockey without a cup than 9 years of drudgery with 1 cup.

    Case in point, the Capitals and Lightening are teams that I would cheer for all day despite the lack of cups (obviously speaking about pre-2018 Capitals).

    So to your question – if the McDavid Oilers are absolute rockets that make it to the Conference finals every year but never win, count me in.

    Three things occur to me.

    1) It might be similar to being a San Jose or Nashville ( or modern day Toronto) Fan ( I wonder how they feel? )

    2) I wonder how Broncos fans would feel if John Elway had failed in all 4 of his Super Bowl appearances instead of just 3.

    3) How painful would it be as a fan to watch Connor never win a cup? Never get his name on Stanley.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes, I agree, barring something unforseen during camp, I think that Caleb Jones breaks camp with the team. I truly believe that Willie Lagesson is in the same tier as Jones as a prospect (different type of game of course) and just as NHL ready but Jones “can play both sides) and has the sexier game and likely makes the team. It won’t be long before Willie gets his chance and he may never look back. He is going to develop in to a 22 minute 2LD who is in the mold of Adam Larsson/Jason Smith but a better skater and passer and with better offensive instincts.

    I have little doubt that Bouchard will perform among the best of the all D during camp – he’ll likely put up a PPG in the 5-6 exhibition games. I truly hope that management and the coaching staff understand how little that means as far as NHL readiness (as we’ve seen year over year) and they don’t consider Bouchard an NHL option.

    I do wish that Woody and Manson would have given Bouch a few more non-sheltered minutes during the Condors playoff run as that would give a better sense of his NHL readiness than anything in camp but we are where we are.

    Bouch is a massively important piece of the future. They must be risk adverse and ensure he isn’t rushed to the NHL too fast. There is zero risk in having him in the Bake until the turn of the calendar before he is even an NHL option – they have 2 year pro d-men on the cusp of NHL readiness, Persson, Jones and Lagesson (and maybe Bear) that gives them the real ability to be risk-adverse and its incumbent that they are with Bouch.

  28. HT Joe says:

    Responding to PTS2PNDR

    If you think about your last paragraph re MacT please explain how his hire Dallas Eakins and Hall were always at odds over training etc. MacT continued to back Eakins and approved the install of a never was Boston D as team captain. This screams to me that MacT was Not a Hall supporter and quite likely the voice instigating Hall’s trade.

    ***************************************
    Everything I’ve heard in the last ~ 1/2 year is that MacT wanted to keep Hall. If I had to guess, MacT hired Eakins and tied himself at the hip to him. If MacT condemned Eakins, or at the very least didn’t support him, MacT would lose face for keeping the wrong coach.

    MacT letting Eakins choose his own (terrible) captain was likely an extension of MacT supporting all facets of Eakins’ coaching choices.

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think both Lavoie and Rodrigue were announced for the Plymouth development camp/showcase back in mid-June, weren’t they?

    https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/news/2019-20-njt-43-juniors-going-camping

    I think they are both locks for the team.

  30. GloryDaysOfStortini says:

    I still have the Edmonton Journal newspaper with all the headlines and all the hype from when we drafted Hall :'(

  31. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I’m also ready for any result this year, and none will surprise me

    – Here’s what I hope though for for the start of 2020 season from draft/development:

    1) 1 of Kailer, Pool, Benson is a full-time winger on a skill line
    2) 2 of Jones, Bouchard, Lags, Persson, Bear, Samukorov, Berg are NHL D (or 1 +trade of others)
    3) 1 of Marody, MacLeod, Maxi, Russell (or another from Bakes this year) emerge as a player
    4) We find a G that is legit (from Bakersfield, Koski, trade, etc)
    5) Brah looks real good in SHL, and stays there
    6) Plus arrows from another Holland draft pick (hi Lavoie)

    – If most of these don’t happen, our challenges increase

  32. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    ArmchairGM: IMO Nurse brings an element that none of the prospects duplicate. I would wait until summer 2020 and then re-assess, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Klefbom moved on when the time comes* as his skillset is more likely to be made redundant by the oncoming prospects.

    * Summer 2020 will not be that time. It will take 3-4 years before Samorukov / Broberg is ready for top-2 minutes; I don’t see Jones ever being able to play on the #1 pairing.

    I agree with this thinking.

  33. Drew says:

    Lowetide: Song remains the same. Want to know what’s wrong with Oilers players? Ask a manager. It shouldn’t be this way. Holland’s handling of JP suggests to me he is taking advice from the people who remain, and for me it’s a mistake. Go opposite George, Ken, do it today!

    Al, some of the Oilers hockey ops folks, and many in the hockey world were completely stunned by this trade. ( i know a few folks but of course will hold it confidential)

    At the time many of these people were thinking all was lost.

  34. Coiler says:

    Any rumour that originated during the Chiarelli era should be taken with a few pounds of rock salt. The man could not assess glaring talent even when it was on his own club, much less on anyone else’s team.

    Eakins, MacT, Howson, etc…the same old goats/ghosts are still haunting these pages. Let’s move on and consider the kids that are coming down the pipeline with respect to the D-Corps.

    And if there ever comes a day where the Oilers have to trade McDavid, then let’s consider that trade a loss from the get-go. The return will never be the same, especially in the salary cap system.

  35. Drew says:

    The OBC is not a good group of performers, probably poor to mediocre at best. the Hall trade should not be on them.

  36. JimmyV1965 says:

    HT Joe:
    Responding to PTS2PNDR

    If you think about your last paragraph re MacT please explain how his hire Dallas Eakins and Hall were always at odds over training etc. MacT continued to back Eakins and approved the install of a never was Boston D as team captain. This screams to me that MacT was Not a Hall supporter and quite likely the voice instigating Hall’s trade.

    ***************************************
    Everything I’ve heard in the last ~ 1/2 year is that MacT wanted to keep Hall.If I had to guess, MacT hired Eakins and tied himself at the hip to him.If MacT condemned Eakins, or at the very least didn’t support him, MacT would lose face for keeping the wrong coach.

    MacT letting Eakins choose his own (terrible) captain was likely an extension of MacT supporting all facets of Eakins’ coaching choices.

    It’s possibly MacT May have disliked the player, but disliked the trade even more. I’m also not completely surprised Buffalo and Ottawa turned down their respective trades. The assessment of both Risto and Ceci were much much different than they are today. It might also be useful to note that the GMs for both those teams are no longer GMs.

  37. Factotum says:

    GloryDaysOfStortini:
    I still have the Edmonton Journal newspaper with all the headlines and all the hype from when we drafted Hall :'(

    Imagine if someone had told you then that Hall would get traded and subsequently become league MVP for another team; and when the calendar changed to 2020 the Oilers would *still* have only made the playoffs one time…

    It would be hard for management to do worse intentionally.

  38. jtblack says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Philosphical type question for the group.
    Give me McDavid for 7 Alex.

    during the decade of Darkness I could not watch most nights because the product was so poor. But now I can watch a 6-2 loss and still find enjoyment because McDavid is superhuman and then unbelievable treat to watch every night.

    If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

    OR,

    No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

    Which would you choose?

  39. Side says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    This is random and not related to what you are posting today, but thought I would share because it is related to you.

    I don’t follow MLB at all and I only knew about the home run derby because you were mentioning it the other where you were discussing how Vlad Jr. wasn’t deserving enough to be invited there.

    Later that day I saw a recommended link for me through Google with the headline ‘Vlad breaks home run record in first round of derby’ and I laughed. This isn’t meant as a call out or anything, just thought it was funny.

  40. Darth Tu says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I’m also ready for any result this year, and none will surprise me

    – Here’s what I hope though for for the start of 2020 season from draft/development:

    1) 1 of Kailer, Pool, Benson is a full-time winger on a skill line
    2) 2 of Jones, Bouchard, Lags, Persson, Bear, Samukorov, Berg are NHL D (or 1 +trade of others)
    3) 1 of Marody, MacLeod, Maxi, Russell (or another from Bakes this year) emerge as a player
    4) We find a G that is legit (from Bakersfield, Koski, trade, etc)
    5) Brah looks real good in SHL, and stays there
    6) Plus arrows from another Holland draft pick (hi Lavoie)

    – If most of these don’t happen, our challenges increase

    I’m hoping our newly drafted Russian goalie has a stellar year in the K. He won’t be a solution for this year, but maybe he’s open to moving over for the 2020-21 season and pairs up with Koskinen – or Smith dependent on his performance and whether he signs on for another year in Edmonton.

  41. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Side:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    This is random and not related to what you are posting today, but thought I would share because it is related to you.

    I don’t follow MLB at all and I only knew about the home run derby because you were mentioning it the other where you were discussing how Vlad Jr. wasn’t deserving enough to be invited there.

    Later that day I saw a recommended link for me through Google with the headline ‘Vlad breaks home run record in first round of derby’ and I laughed.This isn’t meant as a call out or anything, just thought it was funny.

    – Haha : my buddies teased me on that, as I tweeted it as well!

    – I hadn’t realized the winner gets $1MM!

    – So from an entertainment perspective it was awesome: hands down the most exciting event in All-Star game in years: so hard to argue the success. He’s still the worst, least accomplished hitter to participate in the Derby though. No one has hit more dingers in one round of derby than their career total before either. Hope he doesn’t think that he’s good to go now: he’s hitting .250 with 8 dingers.

    – But if I knew he was going to put on a show like that, I would have shut my moudth, and watched something awesome: its entertainment, and I forgot that.

  42. ArmchairGM says:

    Darth Tu: I’m hoping our newly drafted Russian goalie has a stellar year in the K.He won’t be a solution for this year, but maybe he’s open to moving over for the 2020-21 season and pairs up with Koskinen – or Smith dependent on his performance and whether he signs on for another year in Edmonton.

    I’m not sure whether he can come over in a year, my understanding is that he has 2 years left on his contract. My hope is that Starrett has another stellar season in Bakersfield this year and can play backup/ 30 game starter in 2020-21

  43. pts2pndr says:

    HT Joe:
    Responding to PTS2PNDR

    If you think about your last paragraph re MacT please explain how his hire Dallas Eakins and Hall were always at odds over training etc. MacT continued to back Eakins and approved the install of a never was Boston D as team captain. This screams to me that MacT was Not a Hall supporter and quite likely the voice instigating Hall’s trade.

    ***************************************
    Everything I’ve heard in the last ~ 1/2 year is that MacT wanted to keep Hall.If I had to guess, MacT hired Eakins and tied himself at the hip to him.If MacT condemned Eakins, or at the very least didn’t support him, MacT would lose face for keeping the wrong coach.

    MacT letting Eakins choose his own (terrible) captain was likely an extension of MacT supporting all facets of Eakins’ coaching choices.

    I still have a great deal of respect for MacT his biggest mistake was buying what Dallas Eakins was selling! His choice of the less popular Draisaitl rates as one of his better managerial moves.

  44. norm_klassen says:

    Do we spend the next to seasons auditioning defensemen then trade our vets like nurse and k bomb? Or can we use some as trade bait before they make rookie mistakes and get devalued? Hopefully Holland had a plan that improves the team instead of the Oilers being a development team ..

  45. Professor Q says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Haha : my buddies teased me on that, as I tweeted it as well!

    – I hadn’t realized the winner gets $1MM!

    – So from an entertainment perspective it was awesome: hands down the most exciting event in All-Star game in years: so hard to argue the success.He’s still the worst, least accomplished hitter to participate in the Derby though.No one has hit more dingers in one round of derby than their career total before either. Hope he doesn’t think that he’s good to go now: he’s hitting .250 with 8 dingers.

    – But if I knew he was going to put on a show like that, I would have shut my moudth, and watched something awesome: its entertainment, and I forgot that.

    I love how he lost to a guy even though he had twice as many HRs. Almost 100!

    He has a very interesting swing where it looks like he keeps it short and clipped to his body. Maybe that keeps it consistent at hitting the ball near the top and sweet spot more often?

  46. Rube Foster says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    “They never valued him, didn’t know what they had in Taylor Hall. Incredible. The fans earned the No. 1 overall pick in 2010, not one manager gave that fact a moment’s thought.”

    What is it that all these Managers had in common that led to / created this?

    Is there some sort of hockey business principle by which they govern?

    Like some specific brand of leadership that they value above all else?

    Some kind of loyalty equation?

    It almost fits the operating perameters of some kind of quasi military organization:

    Fall in Line
    Chain of Command
    Obedience
    Tear em down to Build em Up
    Command and Control
    Honour, Courage and Commitment

    Etc, Etc

    Permit me to tell a true story about the well established “Edmonton Oiler Management Style”.

    Once upon a time the Oilers had a bonafide All Star NHL defensemen on their roster, he was their number one d-man and one of the best players and leaders on the team. His salary reflected his status on the team.

    One day the Edmonton Oiler management decided they no longer liked this player, he had said some things in the media and presumably did some things in the locker room that upset them.

    Instead of finding a way to recoup some value from their NHL All-star defensemen and find the best way to move him out of town for a material return. The management of the Edmonton Oilers decided that their best course of action with one of their largest assets was to wage a public and ugly war of words with the player through the MSM. Of course this depreciated the value of the NHL All-star defensemen even further.

    Then, to prove some kind of point, the Management of the Edmonton Oilers decieded that their best course of action would be to burry the NHL All-star defensemen in an other NHL team’s minor league team.

    Remarkably, the Edmonton Oilers actually paid the NHL All-star defensemen millions of dollars to play for another team’s AHL squad. This is the point in the story when a rationale person would ask, why would the Edmonton Oilers Management do this?

    The answer I have arrived at is because the Management of Edmonton Oilers time and time again have proven that they care less about wining NHL hockey games than they do about “things” that are not material to achieving their primary objective.

    Failed organizations fall pray to this all the time, they get so caught up in the day to day trials and tribulations of the struggle that their mandate gets lost in a sea of fog.

    As counterintuitive as it sounds the Management of the Edmonton Oilers would appear to value “being right”, “paying your dues”, “earning your ice time” and “reparations for hurt feelings” amongst a myriad of other old times cliches than they do about actually winning NHL hockey games.

    If you think this fable is too incredible “even for the Oilers”, I’m sure that Bruce or LT can verify the veracity of the story.

    I’m not making this shit up, just exam the Oilers won- loss records the past dozen years. The futility of the management group in the Katz Era is epic. Their History does not lie.

    The Edmonton Oilers Management desperately require an Agent of Change. Running Jesse Puljujarvi out of town on the next train to nowhere or trading him for pennies on the dollar would be “more of the same” that we’ve seen in this town for years.

    Ken Holland has a Herculean task ahead of him, if he can be the one that reforms and fixes the Management Style and practices of the Edmonton Oilers he will deserve a statue besides Wayne’s. I for one am rooting for Mr. Holland. Gord speed Ken, you can do this!

  47. Side says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Haha : my buddies teased me on that, as I tweeted it as well!

    – I hadn’t realized the winner gets $1MM!

    – So from an entertainment perspective it was awesome: hands down the most exciting event in All-Star game in years: so hard to argue the success.He’s still the worst, least accomplished hitter to participate in the Derby though.No one has hit more dingers in one round of derby than their career total before either. Hope he doesn’t think that he’s good to go now: he’s hitting .250 with 8 dingers.

    – But if I knew he was going to put on a show like that, I would have shut my moudth, and watched something awesome: its entertainment, and I forgot that.

    Yeah Vlad is the only name I have heard as someone who doesn’t follow baseball much at all, really. Really curious to see how his career will turn out though!

  48. PinkSocks says:

    ArmchairGM: I’m not sure whether he can come over in a year, my understanding is that he has 2 years left on his contract.My hope is that Starrett has another stellar season in Bakersfield this year and can play backup/ 30 game starter in 2020-21

    This is correct, Konovalov has 2 years remaining, so 21-22 is the earliest he can come over to NA.

  49. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yes, I agree, barring something unforseen during camp, I think that Caleb Jones breaks camp with the team. I truly believe that Willie Lagesson is in the same tier as Jones as a prospect (different type of game of course) and just as NHL ready but Jones “can play both sides) and has the sexier game and likely makes the team.It won’t be long before Willie gets his chance and he may never look back. He is going to develop in to a 22 minute 2LD who is in the mold of Adam Larsson/Jason Smith but a better skater and passer and with better offensive instincts.

    I have little doubt that Bouchard will perform among the best of the all D during camp – he’ll likely put up a PPG in the 5-6 exhibition games.I truly hope that management and the coaching staff understand how little that means as far as NHL readiness (as we’ve seen year over year) and they don’t consider Bouchard an NHL option.

    I do wish that Woody and Manson would have given Bouch a few more non-sheltered minutes during the Condors playoff run as that would give a better sense of his NHL readiness than anything in camp but we are where we are.

    Bouch is a massively important piece of the future.They must be risk adverse and ensure he isn’t rushed to the NHL too fast.There is zero risk in having him in the Bake until the turn of the calendar before he is even an NHL option – they have 2 year pro d-men on the cusp of NHL readiness, Persson, Jones and Lagesson (and maybe Bear) that gives them the real ability to be risk-adverse and its incumbent that they are with Bouch.

    I agree Bouchard should start in Bakersfield even if he has a good camp. The 1st 20 games in the NHL is a race. But also the easiest segment. I rather see him good and ready physically and mentally versus him being here early and struggling then being yoyo back and forth.

  50. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Not close to the playoffs.

    ~ But we’ve got Calgary’s +68 goalie now and they’ve got 12 first shot goals against to look forward to; So theres that ~

    It was so deflating to the players the coach and the fans. To win you need confidence swagger Oilers looked defeated most of the time.

  51. HT Joe says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Philosphical type question for the group.
    If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups
    OR,
    No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,
    Which would you choose?

    Andy: which would you choose:
    – McDavid wins the cup for another team (not Calgary) and the Oilers never win another cup
    OR
    – The Oilers win a cup without McDavid, and McDavid never wins the cup

  52. defmn says:

    Factotum: Imagine if someone had told you then that Hall would get traded and subsequently become league MVP for another team; and when the calendar changed to 2020 the Oilers would *still* have only made the playoffs one time…

    It would be hard for management to do worse intentionally.

    New Jersey has also only made the playoffs one time since that trade during the year that Hall won his MVP award with 93 points. In his other two years there they did not make the playoffs in spite of his 53 and 37 point contributions.

    I loved Hall as an Oiler but I have to say there is no topic that can derail this blog into fantasy land as quickly as the mention of the Taylor Hall/Larsson trade.

    Could Chiarelli have made a better trade than he did? We all seem to think so and yet the info revealed today does not support that narrative. In fact it tells exactly the opposite story. That could well be attributable to any number of factors but the info we are reading today says that Chiarelli was turned down for what are today regarded as marginal 2nd pair dmen.

    And, yes, I also noted that neither of those two GM’s is still working as a GM. But the information today sounds a lot like he had a list of teams with young RD and he worked his way down that list until he found a taker. We might not like that view but that is the view the evidence supports imo.

  53. LadiesloveSmid says:

    HT Joe: Andy: which would you choose:
    – McDavid wins the cup for another team (not Calgary) and the Oilers never win another cup
    OR
    – The Oilers win a cup without McDavid, and McDavid never wins the cup

    In no universe does the oilers organization deserve a cup over McDavid. Poor bastard is saddled to the moronic OBC.

  54. Reja says:

    Jaxon:
    Just thinking out loud…

    I keep thinking there might be a trade to be made with CBJ. Their contender window has seemingly closed quite quickly on them.

    Jesse Puljujarvi, Mikko Koskinen, Caleb Jones, Ryan McLeod, Joel Persson
    for
    Josh Anderson, Oliver Bjorkstrand, David Savard

    It’s a bit late but maybe the Oilers could sign another KHL goalie like Emil Garipov, Magnus Hellberg, Vasili Demchenko, or Lars Johansson. I honestly don’t think they’d be any more risky than Koskinen. CBJ is badly in need of a goalie with a young Korpisalo as their starter and Merzlikins as their backup. Koskinen/Korpisalo might be an okay tandem. Sign them to the max cap space the Oilers can afford for 1 year, so they can go to open market next summer. Brayden Holtby is a UFA next summer. Would he want to come home to Alberta?

    With maybe one or two of Kris Russell, Ryan McLeod, Markus Granlund, Aapeli Rasanen, Joel Persson, Logan Day, Cooper Marody as minor pieces for maybe one or two of Riley Nash, David Savard, Fix-Wolansky, Ryan Murray? Would any of these pieces be able to balance out the main trade?

    Just throwing it out there to see if anyone can think of a way to make it work.

    I’ve been tooting the Josh Anderson trade for 6 months love that guy. I think the Jackets are ripe for the pickings unite the Jones brothers the best tandem act since the potvins tore it up on the Island. The Finn resurrects Jesse’s career he becomes a 25 a year semi- power forward. Come on Holland make it happen.

  55. Oilman99 says:

    Lowetide: Song remains the same. Want to know what’s wrong with Oilers players? Ask a manager. It shouldn’t be this way. Holland’s handling of JP suggests to me he is taking advice from the people who remain, and for me it’s a mistake. Go opposite George, Ken, do it today!

    Trading JP at his lowest value, and at his age, doesn’t make sense. If he doesn’t truly want to play for the Oilers, than let him go back home to see if he develops into the player everybody thought he was going to be, then when he wants to come back, the team has a viable piece of trade bait.

  56. JimmyV1965 says:

    Side:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    This is random and not related to what you are posting today, but thought I would share because it is related to you.

    I don’t follow MLB at all and I only knew about the home run derby because you were mentioning it the other where you were discussing how Vlad Jr. wasn’t deserving enough to be invited there.

    Later that day I saw a recommended link for me through Google with the headline ‘Vlad breaks home run record in first round of derby’ and I laughed.This isn’t meant as a call out or anything, just thought it was funny.

    It’s both. Vlad didn’t deserve to be there because he only has eight dingers. Frick, Gurriel has 15 in just more than a month. But Vlad is the real deal. Once he gets comfortable, he could possibly be the best hitter in MLB.

  57. BONE207 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Philosphical type question for the group.

    If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

    OR,

    No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

    Which would you choose?

    CONNOR without Stanley???

    This does not compute!!!

    Look at you…coming in here…a mathy blog site, with outrageous thoughts based on nothing. You must never speak of this again. Unless of course you are referring to the Conner who is a distant cousin twice removed living in Scotland.

  58. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Haha : my buddies teased me on that, as I tweeted it as well!

    – I hadn’t realized the winner gets $1MM!

    – So from an entertainment perspective it was awesome: hands down the most exciting event in All-Star game in years: so hard to argue the success.He’s still the worst, least accomplished hitter to participate in the Derby though.No one has hit more dingers in one round of derby than their career total before either. Hope he doesn’t think that he’s good to go now: he’s hitting .250 with 8 dingers.

    – But if I knew he was going to put on a show like that, I would have shut my moudth, and watched something awesome: its entertainment, and I forgot that.

    He is the least accomplished hitter in the derby for sure, but he’s far from the worst. Just watching the event, he clearly had the most impressive, powerful swing of anyone competing. His bat speed is ridiculous. I agree though. He didn’t deserve to be there.

  59. deardylan says:

    Anger Management

    If our expectation is -22, way outta playoffs, we draft, develop slowly and Oiler meet or slightly exceed these expectations we wont meltdown into Gore Vidals vs Will F Buckleys @ LowetideABC?

  60. deardylan says:

    Dear Kinger,

    ” Its entertainment and i forgot that”..

    May We All Forgive and Recommit to the Entertainment that is the Edmonton Oilers Brah!!

  61. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Jaxon,

    I don’t see Jarmo Kekalainen being more interested in JP at this point then at the draft when he could have had him for free.

    I think an epic trade like what you suggested would be a better fit in MIN. Fenton seems hell bent on breaking up that core and building his own using cap certainty to maintain it into the future. What else could explain the exodus of mid-career talent for lesser players (based on talent & cap hit)?

    Do we have what it takes to obtain either or both of Zucker and Spurgeon? Dumba? Dare to dream…

  62. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    BONE207,

    That’s been a bone of contention of mine forever. You, however, have more stroke around here so I’m glad it was you who erected this issue to bring it to a head.

  63. Mariusz Czerkawski says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Monsieur Dufresne, did he not win back to back super bowls in Denver?

  64. Jordan says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Jaxon,

    I don’t see Jarmo Kekalainen being more interested in JP at this point then at the draft when he could have had him for free.

    I think an epic trade like what you suggested would be a better fit in MIN.Fenton seems hell bent on breaking up that core and building his own using cap certainty to maintain it into the future.What else could explain the exodus of mid-career talent for lesser players (based on talent & cap hit)?

    Do we have what it takes to obtain either or both of Zucker and Spurgeon?Dumba?Dare to dream…

    I agree with you Born – minny is a much better target for a large-scale trade. I’d also sucggest that If you could get Zucker and Spurgeon out, presuming that you’re not giving up our A+ prospects or A+ players, the team gets better for the next 1-3 years.

    Zucker’s contract is for 3 years, and Purgeon is for 1 – he’s UFA next summer. Howevver, both players have modified no trade, so while this might be a better plan, I’m not sure it would be acceptable to the players.

  65. flea says:

    flyfish1168: I agree Bouchard should start in Bakersfield even if he has a good camp. The 1st 20 games in the NHL is a race. But also the easiest segment. I rather see him good and ready physically and mentally versus him being here early and struggling then being yoyo back and forth.

    I also beleive that some players, especially young players, get better as the year goes on. A wiley vet knows how to train and play consistently, but it takes the young guys 30-40 games to really get humming. That is the time to bring up a guy like Bouchard.

    Fully prepared to see him in the opening lineup.

  66. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Jordan,

    Totally aware of the limited NTC on both Zucker and Spurgeon; each player holds a 10-team no trade list. So not out of the realm of possibility even if it does represent a potential hurdle.

  67. Scungilli Slushy says:

    With Drai and Nurse I’m not sure MacT thought his way through that, more that sometimes a bet works out.

    Both players fit the MO the team had been following for years, big and not timid.

    I believe MacT tries to be progressive but there is also a deep stubborn unlearning steak in him. The way he treated players and others that didn’t fall exactly into his line, and like the other OBC, holding players and rookies to standards as players they couldn’t even meet.

    They had Sather to babysit and nurture them through some pretty bad behaviour. They didn’t want to or couldn’t do that for their players it seems. They didn’t learn what Sather valued in players.

    Holland seems somewhat different and is bringing in different types. I believe h is standing up to JP because he is setting the tone moving forward and he should imo. If we ever want to see agents treating the Oilers like other teams.

  68. Alpine says:

    Oilman99: Trading JP at his lowest value, and at his age, doesn’t make sense. If he doesn’t truly want to play for the Oilers, than let him go back home to see if he develops into the player everybody thought he was going to be, then when he wants to come back, the team has a viable piece of trade bait.

    Europe is an option for Jesse’s development but it likely won’t make a lick of difference for his trade value. Be interesting to see what Gusev gets in return when Vegas moves him. No one wants to trade much for a guy who can only do it in Europe.

  69. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Philosphical type question for the group.

    If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

    OR,

    No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

    Which would you choose?

    A false choice.

    It is not a binary situation.

  70. Side says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Ehh, again, I don’t know baseball, but if the derby has written rules stating that participants have to hit ‘x’ number of home runs in the regular season to qualify, I would agree that he shouldn’t have been invited if he didn’t fulfill that criteria.

    But him breaking a record in the first round would tell me he very much does belong there and should be invited, regardless of how many he actually hit in the season if the purpose of this home run derby is for entertainment.

    I have no horse in this race, but that’s my 2 cents.

  71. godot10 says:

    HT Joe:
    Regarding the tweet above:

    ******************************************************
    So this means:
    – Oilers offered Hall for Risto and BUF said no
    – Oilers offered Hall for Ceci and OTT said no
    – Oilers offered Hall for Larsson and NJ said yes
    Man, Hall trade is the gift that keeps on giving. https://
    ******************************************************

    That is really painful.And what I’m about to say hurts too…

    From all accounts MacTavish was against the Hall trade.And he’s the one who’s no longer with this team.The guy who wanted to keep Hall is the one who’s gone?!It seemed good for MacT and the Oilers to part ways, but if there are any supporters of the Hall trade still with the team, that’s a big damn problem.

    MacTavish lacked credibility after hiring Eakins and the disaster that unfolded. When he took over as GM, he publicly mused about fixing Taylor Hall, after Taylor Hall finished 2nd in Western Conference scoring in a Western Conference only schedule.

  72. Ryan says:

    Alpine,

    Stauffer just said “we all like to work with people who are good and work hard. Imagine working with a guy who’s a bit of a flake and not as good as he thinks he is. I’m not saying Jesse’s a flake…”

  73. npanciroli says:

    I think Holland has handled the JP situation incredibly well so far. Offer him a new chance with a new GM and coach. When he refuses make him sweat it out unless you get a good offer and if not let him play in Europe. No need to waste an asset.

  74. Bag of Pucks says:

    Jesse asked for a trade. How is that Holland running him out of town?

  75. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Three things occur to me.

    2) I wonder how Broncos fans would feel if John Elway had failed in all 4 of his Super Bowl appearances instead of just 3.

    Elway had 5 Super bowl appearances as a player and 2 as a GM

    2-3 as a player. 1-1 as a GM

    In the three losses as a player, he was the only reason the team was in the Super Bowl in the first place.

  76. Ryan says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Awhile ago, Brian Burke was interviewed about the JP situation. He said in an incredulous tone of voice, “JP’s agent is trying to bull rush Kenny Holland?”

  77. Bag of Pucks says:

    Andy Dufresne
    2) I wonder how Broncos fans would feel if John Elway had failed in all 4 of his Super Bowl appearances instead of just 3.

    The Buffalo Bills lost 4 straight Super Bowls, 3 of them by blowout. If i recall correctly, the fans were not pleased.

    Helluva accomplishment going to 4 in a row though.

  78. godot10 says:

    PinkSocks: This is correct, Konovalov has 2 years remaining, so 21-22 is the earliest he can come over to NA.

    It depends how big a cheque Katz is willing to write to the Russian team next summer. There is no transfer agreement.

  79. godot10 says:

    Ryan:
    Alpine,

    Stauffer just said “we all like to work with people who are good and work hard. Imagine working with a guy who’s a bit of a flake and not as good as he thinks he is. I’m not saying Jesse’s a flake…”

    Jesse probably doesn’t trust the Oilers’s doctors. He said he was feeling pain, and they questioned his honesty, and the GM, coach, and players probably believed the doctors, or did not demonstrate any support.

  80. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I agree with a lot of this. Well said, it sums up my feelings.

    It’s so ironic when you think about this franchises history. One of the most dynamic teams the NHL had ever seen for close to a decade, built on the back of an innovative and creative GM. We needed the next Glen Sather… so to speak.

  81. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: Elway had 5 Super bowl appearances as a player and 2 as a GM

    2-3 as a player.1-1 as a GM

    In the three losses as a player, he was the only reason the team was in the Super Bowl in the first place.

    That was an era when the NFC was dominating the Super Bowl with the Niners, Cowboys, Giants, Skins, and Bears.

    Dan Reeves Broncos were actually a pretty talented team as were Levy’s Bills. But the NFC teams had better defences every year. Reeves was the ultimate SB bridesmaid with both the Broncs and Falcons.

  82. Bag of Pucks says:

    Is it fair to say immaturity may be an issue with JP?

    Maybe a year in Europe with his peers questioning why Laine is doing so much better would be a good motivator.

  83. HT Joe says:

    Ryan:
    Alpine,

    Stauffer just said “we all like to work with people who are good and work hard. Imagine working with a guy who’s a bit of a flake and not as good as he thinks he is. I’m not saying Jesse’s a flake…”

    Is that actually his quote? Word for word?

  84. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Ryan:
    Alpine,

    Stauffer just said “we all like to work with people who are good and work hard. Imagine working with a guy who’s a bit of a flake and not as good as he thinks he is. I’m not saying Jesse’s a flake…”

    Stuffer should shut his fuckin mouth

  85. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Stauffer says someone “100% suggested to trade JP for [Dylan] Strome.”

  86. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    GMB3:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I agree with a lot of this. Well said, it sums up my feelings.

    It’s so ironic when you think about this franchises history. One of the most dynamic teams the NHL had ever seen for close to a decade, built on the back of an innovative and creative GM. We needed the next Glen Sather… so to speak.

    – Yeah: look we just want the team to be good. CmD is awesome, but he is also ahead of the curve in his skating, training etc

    – The Raptors this year: its perhaps a little revisionist, but they built up to this championship: lots of years of being good not great: a really awesome creative innovative GM who was a star in the making when he joined: a big get. Sports management off the chart (load management: no team ever did this for a star before, and it will change the game going forward). Creating a development league team, and being ahead of the curve and seeing guys develop from there and be impact players on the NBA: other teams are catching up to this. Awesome sports science management (the guy who overseas it is one of the best in the business).

    – Slats had a game-changer in Gretz, and we have that in CmD. But it just seems we have for years trying to get an organization that can “teach the kids how to play the right way”, based on status-quo. Maybe that’s good enough to win a Cup: NHL hockey is a very sleepy unsophisticated profession compared to the other sports on so many levels.

    – I hope we blow the doors off, and everything gels. I just hope that we are assembling a Phil Jackson type organization after he left the Bulls to go to the Lakers, and he continued to be awesome and innovative and ahead of the curve, and everyone smart wanted to be around him. I really hope its not the Phil Jackson who joined the Knicks: no longer innovative and ahead of the curve…

    – This is the head of sports science for the Raptors: Phil Jackson (when he was the formemost guy in NBA) read about him, and he recruited him to the Lakers. Then the Raptors recruited him. Why don’t the Oil get cool people like this to be different and better.:

    https://www.givemesport.com/1385255-alex-mckechnie-from-glasgow-to-the-nba

    GOILERS!!!

    – And if ‘Brah does become a 24 minute awesome stud: then kudos to Holland: he made the right call, and saw the future

  87. texmex says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Stauffer says someone “100% suggested to trade JP for [Dylan] Strome.”

    Before he was dealt to the Hawks I assume?

    I think that someone was Stauffer….. he likes to toot his own horn.

  88. Reja says:

    godot10: Jesse probably doesn’t trust the Oilers’s doctors.He said he was feeling pain, and they questioned his honesty, and the GM, coach, and players probably believed the doctors, or did not demonstrate any support.

    Wowsy.

  89. Jaxon says:

    Jordan: I agree with you Born – minny is a much better target for a large-scale trade.I’d also sucggest that If you could get Zucker and Spurgeon out, presuming that you’re not giving up our A+ prospects or A+ players, the team gets better for the next 1-3 years.

    Zucker’s contract is for 3 years, and Purgeon is for 1 – he’s UFA next summer.Howevver, both players have modified no trade, so while this might be a better plan, I’m not sure it would be acceptable to the players.

    When I first read trading for Zucker and Spurgeon I thought of it as a ‘better now’ move, not so much a better future move or a better chance at a future cup move. But Zucker is younger than I thought and Spurgeon is just on the edge of being a bit too old for when the Oilers will be hitting their prime. So, yeah, a MIN trade would be interesting too.

    I do like Josh Anderson’s game better than most. He scores, he hits a lot, he shoots a lot, he is a positive giveaway/takeaway, and a positive penatlies taken/drawn. Brendan Gallagher (Alberta born) is another one in that vane that is good in all those areas. One of the few in the entire NHL along with Filip Forsberg. I’d give a lot to grab one of those three. The great thing about Anderson and Gallagher is that they are criminally underrated; not so much with Forsberg.

  90. Chris says:

    I tend to agree with Kinger insofar as we need a number of question marks all go the Oilers way for this team to have much hope of making the playoffs. It’s not inconceivable but it’s pretty unlikely insofar as everything that could go well kind of needs to. Unfortunately you can’t really unChiarilli the roster in one season.

    With respect to the proposed Hall for Risto and Ceci, trades that only convinced me that the management of the Sabres and Senators are essentially stupid on par with Chia. If a GM calls up offering you a star for a moderately good defenceman, you do what the Devils did and run to the damn fax machine with the paperwork before the other team comes to their senses.

  91. Professor Q says:

    Chris:
    I tend to agree with Kinger insofar as we need a number of question marks all go the Oilers way for this team to have much hope of making the playoffs. It’s not inconceivable but it’s pretty unlikely insofar as everything that could go well kind of needs to. Unfortunately you can’t really unChiarilli the roster in one season.

    With respect to the proposed Hall for Risto and Ceci, trades that only convinced me that the management of the Sabres and Senators are essentially stupid on par with Chia. If a GM calls up offering you a star for a moderately good defenceman, you do what the Devils did and run to the damn fax machine with the paperwork before the other team comes to their senses.

    I don’t know why these rumours only came out now. Discrediting Chiarelli even more? It’s not needed. He did that enough by himself.

    The only ones at the time were Ceci for lesser players (there were rumours, but not for Hall) and the Draisaitl, Klefbom, 4th, for Subban and Montréal’s pick.

    There were rumblings about a Hall trade but not for whom. The Ristolainen part had been tossed out as an example but not as a rumour (at least not to my recollection). I don’t think Buffalo fans nor management were interested. Hence why the Larsson trade sideswiped everyone.

  92. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks: The Buffalo Bills lost 4 straight Super Bowls, 3 of them by blowout. If i recall correctly, the fans were not pleased.

    Helluva accomplishment going to 4 in a row though.

    I remember that 47 yarder vividly by Norwood I was getting drunk with a Yankee Doodle at a bar in Bali we wagered $50 American on the kick which at the time could buy a unfathomable amount of booze.Einhorn love that movie Ace Ventura.

  93. Darth Tu says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Stauffer says someone “100% suggested to trade JP for [Dylan] Strome.”

    The following part of that quote was Stauffer saying “and that guy is still here”. So, either Stauffer, or Keith Gretzky I guess?

  94. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Wow I would’ve taken Pulju for Jokiharju big time.

    Good trade for BUF wow

  95. tileguy says:

    Lucic and any Dman you want plus a second round pick for your 7th round pick. Would that work?

  96. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Jokiharju as a 19YO D in the NHL in 38GP, +5.6% xGF +6% CF

    That is a nice move for Buffalo. Cashed in on Nylander who’s struggled more than JP.

    Wonder if that option was on the table for EDM, have to imagine not.

  97. Alpine says:

    Well, we should be able to get something good for Puljujarvi now, if that’s what an even worse draft pick from 2016 can get in a trade.

  98. Hockey Project says:

    Speaking if Risto, did anybody else hear John Scott talking about choking him out in the stick room when Risto was 18?

    https://www.listennotes.com/fi/podcasts/dropping-the-gloves/free-agent-frenzy-2-hour-NSufwXD_EaO/?t=2795

  99. GMB3 says:

    There’s a new article out there where it sounds like JP and Lehto are backtracking a bit on what they said, saw a quick summary by a Finn on twitter.

    Maybe someone told JP and his agent they need to walk it the fuck back and he’s done nothing to feel he has the leverage he thinks he does

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    AndyDufresne:
    Philosphical type question for the group.

    If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

    OR,

    No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

    Which would you choose?

    The goal is the Stanley Cup!

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    bwar: I think McDavid getting traded would probably be the last straw for me, wouldn’t matter how many cups the Oilers won after that.

    I don’t get it – if a McDavid trade is done right and it sets the team up to contend for the Stanley Cup for the forseeable future – isn’t that better?

    I mean do you cheer for Connor McDavid or do you cheer for the Oilers in the name of winning the championship?

  102. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Alpine:
    Well, we should be able to get something good for Puljujarvi now, if that’s what an even worse draft pick from 2016 can get in a trade.

    Maybe if him and his genius agent hadn’t come out & taken a steamy Finnish sauna shit on his trade value. Holland probably jumps on that if he could have, Lehto & JP screwed themselves

  103. RonnieB says:

    Ty Rattie joins MacT with Locomotiv.

  104. Material Elvis says:

    godot10: Jesse probably doesn’t trust the Oilers’s doctors.He said he was feeling pain, and they questioned his honesty, and the GM, coach, and players probably believed the doctors, or did not demonstrate any support.

    How is it that you are privy to this inside medical information? Or is this just conjecture stated as fact?

  105. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Jokiharju as a 19YO D in the NHL in 38GP,+5.6% xGF+6% CF

    That is a nice move for Buffalo. Cashed in on Nylander who’s struggled more than JP.

    Wonder if that option was on the table for EDM, have to imagine not.

    Buffalo is loaded with RHD and are pretty thin at LHD. Seems like an opportunity for Edmonton. Who would be the trade target and what would the cost be?

  106. Material Elvis says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Stuffer should shut his fuckin mouth

    Yeah, who cares about his right to free speech.

    Jesse is waaay better than he thinks he is…..

  107. ArmchairGM says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Stauffer says someone “100% suggested to trade JP for [Dylan] Strome.”

    Maybe they’ll throw in DeBrincat too.

  108. ArmchairGM says:

    Jaxon: When I first read trading for Zucker and Spurgeon I thought of it as a ‘better now’ move, not so much a better future move or a better chance at a future cup move. But Zucker is younger than I thought and Spurgeon is just on the edge of being a bit too old for when the Oilers will be hitting their prime. So, yeah, a MIN trade would be interesting too.

    I do like Josh Anderson’s game better than most. He scores, he hits a lot, he shoots a lot, he is a positive giveaway/takeaway, and a positive penatlies taken/drawn. Brendan Gallagher (Alberta born) is another one in that vane that is good in all those areas. One of the few in the entire NHL along with Filip Forsberg. I’d give a lot to grab one of those three. The great thing about Anderson and Gallagher is that they are criminally underrated; not so much with Forsberg.

    I don’t watch them much but I was under the impression Chris Kreider played a similar game to Anderson. Bonus: he might actually be available.

  109. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes: Buffalo is loaded with RHD and are pretty thin at LHD.Seems like an opportunity for Edmonton.Who would be the trade target and what would the cost be?

    Knowing Edmonton probably RNH for Ristolainen

    Hopefully BUF deals with another team. Calgary ideally.

    They just added Miller, Montour, Jokiharju. Bogosian is washed.

  110. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Wonder if we add Benson (or next year’s 2nd) if that gets it done…

    I believe he was making his point about D. Strome from before the trade to CHI, but PC wasn’t interested.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ty Rattie signs to play for Lokomotiv of the KHL – MacT’s team (along with a few new Oiler prospects)….

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    HT Joe: Don’t worry… if they alienate McDavid and trade him, they won’t ever win any cups.

    If done right, a McDavid trade would set the team up to compete for multiple cups.

    I am not advocating for this in any way.

  113. Side says:

    Material Elvis: Yeah, who cares about his right to free speech.

    Jesse is waaay better than he thinks he is…..

    Free speech means the government can’t punish you for what you say.

    Not sure what that has to do with Stauffer in this case.

  114. ArmchairGM says:

    Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes: Buffalo is loaded with RHD and are pretty thin at LHD.Seems like an opportunity for Edmonton.Who would be the trade target and what would the cost be?

    Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if Ristolainen is on the move. Risto for JP+? I’d do it if they take back some salary or retain.

  115. ArmchairGM says:

    Side: Free speech means the government can’t punish you for what you say.

    Not sure what that has to do with Stauffer in this case.

    What, you mean I don’t have the right to slander JP??

  116. leadfarmer says:

    How the heck does Nylander return Jokiharju. I would have been ok with a Jokiharju return for JP but no way would I take Nylander back for JP

  117. Side says:

    ArmchairGM: What, you mean I don’t have the right to slander JP??

    Feel free to verbally bash JP as hard as you want without worrying about the police showing up at your door to arrest you.

    But if LT drops the banhammer on you however…

  118. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Material Elvis: Yeah, who cares about his right to free speech.

    Jesse is waaay better than he thinks he is…..

    Denigrating a teenager (who could still be a part of the team) and calling them a “flake” is yet another example of the complete lack of class of the Oiler’s organization.

  119. Darth Tu says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Denigrating a teenager (who could still be a part of the team) and calling them a “flake” is yet another example of the complete lack of class of the Oiler’s organization.

    It’s also a great way to further drive down the last shred of trade value he has. Assuming that anyone outside of Edmonton hears what Stauffer is putting out there.

    I’d stick to the plan of let Jesse go play in Sweden. If he tears it up either he comes back with a renewed sense of worth and tries again with the Oilers, or he increases his value and we get something material (I’ve joined the train with this word) in return.

    Heck, maybe after watching the Oilers taking massive strides in the right direction this season will change Jesse’s mind and he’ll come into camp next summer with real desire to see it through.

  120. GMB3 says:

    ArmchairGM: Maybe they’ll throw in DeBrincat too.

    I think he meant prior to the trade to Chicago

  121. GBandQ says:

    This. All day.
    Great organizations don’t get lazy, they constantly look for ways to improve, off the ice and on.
    I’m worried the same hubris that’s affected the on-ice product will continue off-ice as well.
    Like, if Sean Burke was such a great interview, why not snap him up? Why isn’t he the GM of the future in-training? Where’s our analytics staff? Where’s all the people Holland was gonna airlift in from his last gig?

    We wait.

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Lowetide,

    – For as much as I wanted Chia to succeed and defended him, my comment on the first day Chai was hired something along the line of who he brings in

    – While there has been some addition by subtraction with Suter and MacT (although it bothers me that 2 players we drafted by coincidence are playing for him), and there is going to be the inevitable “bump” from new coach and new GM and some stability,

    – But Holland has not brought anyone in: where is his next Yzerman?And Tippett: you all are going to as excited as when Hitch came in, and the gushing was over the top.

    – I’m disappointed that no upcoming executives have been brought in, no new sports science approach, no analytics, no awesome younger coach in waiting (well Jay in Bakersfield)It’s basically: “when I was winning in Detroit, we did this”, and with Tippett: sure he’s a going to be fine

    – Its basically the same vintage and “beliefs” as before, just from different organizations

    – I’m sure we will win more,but nothing from an organization so far seems: “best in class”, or “innovative”, or “ahead of the curve”

    – It’s just meh.Holland has more acumen on the fundamentals on the Hockey side than Chia, so he has that going for him (he’s a “rat rink”)It’s just not exciting management.

    – I have no problems with any of the off-season moves: hope they did their due-diligence on Sek

    – They should be better next year, baring a lot of missed time from Drai or McD

    – I just don’t see a structural change to “elite” though, and that’s what bothers me: old guys with grey hairs, who have long track records, and work the system: did some things good and bad: pros

    – Now if they revamp the management, and bring in say a NHL head-office guy who has game, and some cool analytic people, and a great GM-in-waiting, and a few people who aren’t the sameish age and demographic I will be ecstatic.None of this seems to be a priority though

  122. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Not choosing the Cup is some form of fandom I do not recognize.

    Thats some powerful ass spite right there.

  123. YKOil says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Denigrating a teenager (who could still be a part of the team) and calling them a “flake” is yet another example of the complete lack of class of the Oiler’s organization.

    100%

    Every day they let Stauffer get away with saying crap like this, every day they let him get away with leaks, every day they use him to leak information for them… Hard to be a fan of a team so lacking in integrity.

  124. Rube Foster says:

    Good for Ty Rattie!

    From one Great White North to another, the Airdrie Boy should fit right in!

    Rattie was a good soldier on some bad Oiler teams, I always rooted for his success. Here’s hoping he collects a pay cheque playing hockey for as long as he can.

  125. Eh Team says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    July 9, 2019 at 9:50 am

    – I’m also ready for any result this year, and none will surprise me
    – Here’s what I hope though for for the start of 2020 season from draft/development:
    1) 1 of Kailer, Pool, Benson is a full-time winger on a skill line
    2) 2 of Jones, Bouchard, Lags, Persson, Bear, Samukorov, Berg are NHL D (or 1 +trade of others)
    3) 1 of Marody, MacLeod, Maxi, Russell (or another from Bakes this year) emerge as a player
    4) We find a G that is legit (from Bakersfield, Koski, trade, etc)
    5) Brah looks real good in SHL, and stays there
    6) Plus arrows from another Holland draft pick (hi Lavoie)
    – If most of these don’t happen, our challenges increase

    Really this year is looking pretty bleak so far. On the plus side our secondary scoring can’t be any worse and some of the cheap Euro help may be useful. On the other hand our goaltending talent is really bad (Koski a big question mark and Smith is old and not very good anymore). And the odds of McDavid, Drai, and Nuge scoring 120 goals is not very likely. Or they could, but the downside (any injury or scoring slump) would be devastating.

    We really need to transition some of our minor leaguers into useful NHL players (Marody, Benson, Yamo, Jones, Bouchard, another d’man, Gambarella or Currie).

  126. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: The goal is the Stanley Cup!

    All that matters are Stanley Cups there are no participation ribbons for finishing 2nd 7th or 9th all that matters is Cups Ask any player or retired player you will usually get the same answer.

  127. pts2pndr says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Yeah: look we just want the team to be good.CmD is awesome, but he is also ahead of the curve in his skating, training etc

    – The Raptors this year: its perhaps a little revisionist, but they built up to this championship: lots of years of being good not great: a really awesome creative innovative GM who was a star in the making when he joined: a big get.Sports management off the chart (load management: no team ever did this for a star before, and it will change the game going forward).Creating a development league team, and being ahead of the curve and seeing guys develop from there and be impact players on the NBA: other teams are catching up to this.Awesome sports science management (the guy who overseas it is one of the best in the business).

    – Slats had a game-changer in Gretz, and we have that in CmD.But it just seems we have for years trying toget an organization that can “teach the kids how to play the right way”, based on status-quo.Maybe that’s good enough to win a Cup: NHL hockey is a very sleepy unsophisticated profession compared to the other sports on so many levels.

    – I hope we blow the doors off, and everything gels.I just hope that we are assembling a Phil Jackson type organization after he left the Bulls to go to the Lakers, and he continued to be awesome and innovative and ahead of the curve, and everyone smart wanted to be around him.I really hope its not the Phil Jackson who joined the Knicks: no longer innovative and ahead of the curve…

    – This is the head of sports science for the Raptors: Phil Jackson (when he was the formemost guy in NBA)read about him, and he recruited him to the Lakers.Then the Raptors recruited him.Why don’t the Oil get cool people like this to be different and better.:

    https://www.givemesport.com/1385255-alex-mckechnie-from-glasgow-to-the-nba

    GOILERS!!!

    – And if ‘Brah does become a 24 minute awesome stud: then kudos to Holland: he made the right call, and saw the future

    You should use bro for Broberg. He is not of a man of colour or an an ladies foundation garment, there for Brah is at best misleading.

  128. pts2pndr says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Not choosing the Cup is some form of fandom I do not recognize.

    Thats some powerful ass spite right there.

    There is a best of seven for a cup. As an Oiler fan you get to see the incredible McDavid for forty plus home games. While sad not to win a cup, Connor is worth the price of admission every time you watch him play. Oiler fans are spoiled. Grezky and now McDavid, it doesn’t get much better than that. It is like watching Nolan Ryan or Tom Brady, very few fans get the privilege of these players playing for their home team. Respect and appreciate that which you have!

  129. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    pts2pndr: You should use bro for Broberg. He is not of a man of colour or an an ladies foundation garment, there for Brah is at best misleading.

    – Yeah I’m going to stick with Brah: I don’t know, I just like it, makes me smile. I get a kick out of how the kids use it. Bro is just so Canadian hockey to just shorten a guys name: Brah it sounds cooler to me than Bro. Bro is OG. Brah is west coast, cooler. You hear me Brah?

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    AndyDufresne: I completely get that. Completely respect that.

    Its a tough call for me. McDavid is one of a kind. Like watching fireworks; you can see them1000 times, and the 1001 st time,they still inspire awe.

    But Hockey for me is all about that Cup.

    If the choice is absolutley binary; Either McDavid or the Cup

    I choose the Cup.

    Yes sir!

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:

    * Summer 2020 will not be that time. It will take 3-4 years before Samorukov / Broberg is ready for top-2 minutes; I don’t see Jones ever being able to play on the #1 pairing.

    Agree on Samorukov/Broberg and would add “if ever” – no guarantee that either becomes a legit top pairing guy. Both have potential, both could top out as 3rd pairing guys and there is a chance not even (although probably not likely).

    I agree on Jones as well. I like Jones and think he’s a solid prospect and will have a legit NHL career but I think he’s a bit over-valued by Oiler fans in general I think fans have fallen in love with his ability to pass the puck because we haven’t had much of that at the NHL level for a while. Jones’ pedigree does not suggest top pairing guy – of course, that pedigree doesn’t really mean much, however, while Jones fared very well in his sheltered 3rd pairing minutes, I would suggest he’s likely to be a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy with some PP ability. Don’t see him as a 24 tough minute type of guy.

  132. theWaxCollector says:

    pts2pndr: You should use bro for Broberg. He is not of a man of colour or an an ladies foundation garment, there for Brah is at best misleading.

    Kingers been reppin’ the brah since day 1 haha.

    I might call him Lettuce Lad

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu: I’m hoping our newly drafted Russian goalie has a stellar year in the K.He won’t be a solution for this year, but maybe he’s open to moving over for the 2020-21 season and pairs up with Koskinen – or Smith dependent on his performance and whether he signs on for another year in Edmonton.

    I’ve seen posts for legit KHL “insiders” talking about him being a steal in the 3rd round – time will tell.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    KingerOil: –

    – So from an entertainment perspective it was awesome: hands down the most exciting event in All-Star game in years: so hard to argue the success.He’s still the worst, least accomplished hitter to participate in the Derby though.No one has hit more dingers in one round of derby than their career total before either. Hope he doesn’t think that he’s good to go now: he’s hitting .250 with 8 dingers.

    More exciting than the Korean bunting challenge?

    https://twitter.com/Jacob_Resnick/status/1148383432378126336

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    flea: I also beleive that some players, especially young players, get better as the year goes on. A wiley vet knows how to train and play consistently, but it takes the young guys 30-40 games to really get humming. That is the time to bring up a guy like Bouchard.

    Fully prepared to see him in the opening lineup.

    Me too – 2RD paired with Keegan Lowe – 1PP

  136. whale says:

    For years now I and many others have had good to great expectations for the next new season. Midway through though and the Oil fans were once again looking at draft prospects. This year is all doom and gloom. A different mind set that will launch us … up up and away.

  137. tileguy says:

    whale:
    For years now I and many others have had good to great expectations for the next new season. Midway through though and the Oil fans were once again looking at draft prospects. This year is all doom and gloom. A different mind set that will launch us … up up and away.

    I hear you bro.

  138. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’ve seen posts for legit KHL “insiders” talking about him being a steal in the 3rd round – time will tell.

    Yup – the more I read about him, the more I’m happy with taking a shot on him with the 3rd round pick. We don’t need every goalie to be a home-run, but he seems a reasonable bet to make it as a solid backup at the very least.

  139. Professor Q says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Haha : my buddies teased me on that, as I tweeted it as well!

    – I hadn’t realized the winner gets $1MM!

    – So from an entertainment perspective it was awesome: hands down the most exciting event in All-Star game in years: so hard to argue the success.He’s still the worst, least accomplished hitter to participate in the Derby though. No one has hit more dingers in one round of derby than their career total before either. Hope he doesn’t think that he’s good to go now: he’s hitting .250 with 8 dingers.

    – But if I knew he was going to put on a show like that, I would have shut my moudth, and watched something awesome: its entertainment, and I forgot that.

    Yeah, shame on him for participating with the other rookies (Alonso and Pederson).

    Those other rookies sure are 10x more accomplished than he is, right? It’s almost like it’s a thing to get star rookies to participate in these events (I did look it up and there have been other instances of rookies participating – it really makes it fun, in my opinion).

    Similar to some challenges in the NBA All Star Weekend and although it’s changing a bit from former formats, the NHL All Star Weekend.

    EDIT: I had tried to edit this but it seems it didn’t save! I wanted to say that I didn’t mean to be too down on you and it sounded like I was. I just think it’s okay for rookies to participate in these fun events, and that it actually makes it more fun.

    There have been rookies in the HR Derby before, and as Aaron Judge had the previous record of 47 during a derby as a rookie (compare that to Guerrero’s total of 91 and round records of 40 in the 2nd and 29 in the 1st, and I think the previous records for any player were 61, 39, and 28, respectively), he too hit more than his career total at the time. Which, to be completely fair, was a record-shattering 30 at the time, with a .308 batting average. Yet I digress.

    Also compare that to Alonso winning the derby with only 57 total HRs.

  140. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’ve seen posts for legit KHL “insiders” talking about him being a steal in the 3rd round – time will tell.

    I like the pick, I would be more excited about it if picking a goalie in the 3rd round wasn’t such an Oiler thing to do

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot: Jesse probably doesn’t trust the Oilers’s doctors.He said he was feeling pain, and they questioned his honesty, and the GM, coach, and players probably believed the doctors, or did not demonstrate any support.

    Seriously, where do you get this stuff? I’m not even saying its not true, I have no idea, however you post alot of very detailed “factoids” that it seems noone else is privy to:

    – the doctors questioned his honesty and the entire org did not demonstrate support.

    – McLellan specifically told him to take wristers from the outside in the name of volume shooting.

    Are these things that you actually know or are you just so certain in your extrapolation and interpretation of how things have played out that in your mind these are the only logical occurrences?

    Serious question – no trying to be a dick

  142. godot10 says:

    Material Elvis: How is it that you are privy to this inside medical information?Or is this just conjecture stated as fact?

    I’m speculating.

    Jesse says I feel pain for a few months. Doctors say, there nothing wrong. I’m in pain. There is nothing wrong. Then, eventually a light bulb goes off, and suddenly they tell Jesse you need double hip surgery. Jesse, what? You need double hip surgery. Jesse goes to see outside doctors.

    That is a plausible narrative from the outside based on publicly available information.

  143. godot10 says:

    Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes: Buffalo is loaded with RHD and are pretty thin at LHD.Seems like an opportunity for Edmonton.Who would be the trade target and what would the cost be?

    Bogosian is injured, and likely won’t be ready to start the season.

    That said, it looks like Ristolainen may be on the market.

    Ehlers or somebody from Winnipeg for Ristolainen. i would prognosticate.

  144. Side says:

    godot10: I’m speculating.

    Jesse says I feel pain for a few months.Doctors say, there nothing wrong.I’m in pain.There is nothing wrong.Then, eventually a light bulb goes off, and suddenly they tell Jesse you need double hip surgery.Jesse, what?You need double hip surgery.Jesse goes to see outside doctors.

    That is a plausible narrative from the outside based on publicly available information.

    ““after careful consideration with Jesse, his agent and our medical staff, the best decision was to have the surgery and miss the remainder of the season.”

    “After receiving some bad news from the Edmonton Oilers medical staff, young forward Jesse Puljujarvi had visited a specialist for a second opinion. Unfortunately that opinion seems to have agreed with the first, as Jason Gregor of TSN is reporting that Puljujarvi will undergo hip surgery next week. Puljujarvi will not play again this season.”

    “First, reports stated that Puljujarvi had a consultation with a doctor who informed him the injury would require surgery. Later, the forward opted to seek a second opinion. The thought is he was hoping to avoid the season-ending outcome that an operation would bring. After obtaining the second opinion, Puljujarvi has found the surgical path unavoidable.”

    How does the above bring you to your narrative, though?

    Your narrative makes it seem as if Jesse has been asking for medical help but no one bothered to help him. But public knowledge is telling me Jesse explored multiple opinions over an issue his agent knew about and didn’t seem to balk at.

  145. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Agree on Samorukov/Broberg and would add “if ever” – no guarantee that either becomes a legit top pairing guy. Both have potential, both could top out as 3rd pairing guys and there is a chance not even (although probably not likely).

    The second I posted this I considered editing it to add “if ever” because I knew you’d catch it. I didnt – I figured I’d leave the low hanging fruit for you!

    You know, strictly to facilitate conversation.

  146. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: Jesse probably doesn’t trust the Oilers’s doctors.He said he was feeling pain, and they questioned his honesty, and the GM, coach, and players probably believed the doctors, or did not demonstrate any support.

    Straight out of the OBC playbook.

    “Wussie! Back when I played I was in the lineup for 3 months and 18 playoff games with 2 broken backs and missing a leg. Just the other day my hand fell off from all of my rings and I still signed the tab with the stumpy end!”

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: I don’t watch them much but I was under the impression Chris Kreider played a similar game to Anderson. Bonus: he might actually be available.

    He’s also tripple the cap hit for this year and one year to UFA.

    Do not trade for players approaching UFA status and then re-sign them for term for their decline year.

    Once the org has solid cap room and close to a contending level roster, then such a move makes more sense.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    ptspndr: There is a best of seven for a cup. As an Oiler fan you get to see the incredible McDavid for forty plus home games. While sad not to win a cup, Connor is worth the price of admission every time you watch him play. Oiler fans are spoiled. Grezky and now McDavid, it doesn’t get much better than that. It is like watching Nolan Ryan or Tom Brady, very few fans get the privilege of these players playing for their home team. Respect and appreciate that which you have!

    I absolutely respect and appreciate McDavid and understand exactly what I have.

    I trade him for any return that guarantees a Stanley Cup (not that such a concept exists in reality) and I drive him to the airport as quick as I can.

    Every Oilers game is worth watching to me.

  149. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I absolutely respect and appreciate McDavid and understand exactly what I have.

    I trade him for any return that guarantees a Stanley Cup (not that such a concept exists in reality) and I drive him to the airport as quick as I can.

    Every Oilers game is worth watching to me.

    It is a falso choice.

    There is no choice that guarantees a cup. It is a mirage being waived at a fork in the road to distract and fool you.

    The optimal road ahead with the highest probability of success is with McDavid.

  150. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: I’m speculating.

    Jesse says I feel pain for a few months.Doctors say, there nothing wrong.I’m in pain.There is nothing wrong.Then, eventually a light bulb goes off, and suddenly they tell Jesse you need double hip surgery.Jesse, what?You need double hip surgery.Jesse goes to see outside doctors.

    That is a plausible narrative from the outside based on publicly available information.

    The thing that gets me is that they possibly didn’t know he had a significant health issue at the draft.

    It wasn’t a recent development. Capt Kirk I think knew it, had a bigger need at C, and possibly knew Jesse was a bit outside of the box.

    All we can hope is the team doesn’t continue to get blindsided anymore.

  151. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10: That said, it looks like Ristolainen may be on the market.

    Ehlers or somebody from Winnipeg for Ristolainen. i would prognosticate.

    Ristolainen plus what? Ehlers is worth 2x or 3x Risto.

    IMO

  152. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: He’s also tripplethe cap hit for this year and one year to UFA.

    Do not trade for players approaching UFA status and then re-sign them for term for their decline year.

    Once the org has solid cap room and close to a contending level roster, then such a move makes more sense.

    I guess you missed the comment about him being available. IMO it’s fruitless to speculate about acquiring Anderson because the Jackets have no interest in trading him. So the comparison isn’t between Anderson and Kreider, it’s between Kreider and whomever else is available in trade. I guess Zucker is the most prominent name.

  153. Oilman99 says:

    Alpine: Europe is an option for Jesse’s development but it likely won’t make a lick of difference for his trade value. Be interesting to see what Gusev gets in return when Vegas moves him. No one wants to trade much for a guy who can only do it in Europe.

    A boost of self confidence would do wonders for the guy, and he has the potential to be a beast if he matures enough to realize what it takes to play at the top level.

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: I guess you missed the comment about him being available. IMO it’s fruitless to speculate about acquiring Anderson because the Jackets have no interest in trading him. So the comparison isn’t between Anderson and Kreider, it’s between Kreider and whomever else is available in trade. I guess Zucker is the most prominent name.

    No need to be condescending.

    Just because the player is available doesn’t mean that he’s a good acquisition target.

    I didn’t miss anything about the player “being available”.

    I don’t think he’s a good acquisition target because, as I stated:

    “Do not trade for players approaching UFA status and then re-sign them for term for their decline year.”

    This team i not yet in a position to be acquiring players that are one-year from UFA status and will be in line for raises that pay them for term through their decline.

    In my opinion.

  155. pts2pndr says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Yeah I’m going to stick with Brah: I don’t know, I just like it, makes me smile.I get a kick out of how the kids use it.Bro is just so Canadian hockey to just shorten a guys name: Brah it sounds cooler to me than Bro.Bro is OG.Brah is west coast, cooler.You hear me Brah?

    Walked with many ethnic groups. Went to war with same. If you are real you will be accepted. Be true to your roots and to yourself. Trust that this matters. Never try to be someone your not. What may seem cool to you can shout phoney to those who know. Be you.

  156. pts2pndr says:

    ArmchairGM: I guess you missed the comment about him being available. IMO it’s fruitless to speculate about acquiring Anderson because the Jackets have no interest in trading him. So the comparison isn’t between Anderson and Kreider, it’s between Kreider and whomever else is available in trade. I guess Zucker is the most prominent name.

    Being a good listener is the first step to being a good manager. We all for the most part believe we are good communicators when in reality this is not so. Your ideas are excellent, the true skill is in being able to communicate them to others.

  157. Reja says:

    ArmchairGM: I guess you missed the comment about him being available. IMO it’s fruitless to speculate about acquiring Anderson because the Jackets have no interest in trading him. So the comparison isn’t between Anderson and Kreider, it’s between Kreider and whomever else is available in trade. I guess Zucker is the most prominent name.

    Has Anderson signed a extension if not anything can happen with the Jackets and the direction they choose to go.

  158. Halfwise says:

    pts2pndr,

    Just wanted to say thank you for your solid posts.

    And I may be being a dick here, but thank you for using fewer of those damn exclamation marks. You were bettter than your punctuation, right from the start.

  159. pts2pndr says:

    Halfwise:
    pts2pndr,

    Just wanted to say thank you for your solid posts.

    And I may be being a dick here, but thank you for using fewer of those damn exclamation marks. You were bettter than your punctuation, right from the start.

    Thank you!

  160. Halfwise says:

    pts2pndr: Thank you!

    I saw what you did there…

  161. pts2pndr says:

    Halfwise: I saw what you did there…

    😇

  162. Material Elvis says:

    Side: Free speech means the government can’t punish you for what you say.

    Not sure what that has to do with Stauffer in this case.

    ‘He should shut his fucking mouth’ is a very aggressive statement. Where I’m from, it implies ‘or else’. Free speech also protects people from retribution. Bob’s statement about Jesse could have been crafted in a more political tone (it definitely was not slander); however, I do believe that there is some truth to his words and the player needs to take an introspective ‘hard look’ at his own performance in context with reality.

  163. Material Elvis says:

    Side: ““after careful consideration with Jesse, his agent and our medical staff, the best decision was to have the surgery and miss the remainder of the season.”

    “After receiving some bad news from the Edmonton Oilers medical staff, young forward Jesse Puljujarvi had visited a specialist for a second opinion. Unfortunately that opinion seems to have agreed with the first, as Jason Gregor of TSN is reporting that Puljujarvi will undergo hip surgery next week. Puljujarvi will not play again this season.”

    “First, reports stated that Puljujarvi had a consultation with a doctor who informed him the injury would require surgery. Later, the forward opted to seek a second opinion. The thought is he was hoping to avoid the season-ending outcome that an operation would bring. After obtaining the second opinion, Puljujarvi has found the surgical path unavoidable.”

    How does the above bring you to your narrative, though?

    Your narrative makes it seem as if Jesse has been asking for medical help but no one bothered to help him. But public knowledge is telling me Jesse explored multiple opinions over an issue his agent knew about and didn’t seem to balk at.

    Exactly. Hopefully the people’s evidence is enough to quash this new narrative. The Oilers medical staff is top notch; they would never ignore a player when he’s reporting pain.

  164. Reja says:

    whale:
    For years now I and many others have had good to great expectations for the next new season. Midway through though and the Oil fans were once again looking at draft prospects. This year is all doom and gloom. A different mind set that will launch us … up up and away.

    I’m probably in the lower percentile but I’m excited about next season. With Players coach Tippett at the helm and the Goaltending tandem of Smith and Kosh who will shock the haters to the playoffs.

  165. HT Joe says:

    Material Elvis: ‘He should shut his fucking mouth’ is a very aggressive statement.Where I’m from, it implies ‘or else’.Free speech also protects people from retribution.Bob’s statement about Jesse could have been crafted in a more political tone (it definitely was not slander);however, I do believe that there is some truth to his words and the player needs to take an introspective ‘hard look’ at his own performance in context with reality.

    “Freedom of speech” doesn’t mean that Stauffer wasn’t acting in an unprofessional manner. The line “I’m not saying he’s a flake…” sounds awfully similar to “I’m not saying… I’m just saying.” He’s the mouthpiece of the Oilers. If Jesse needs some tough truth, it would have been preferable if it was coming from someone with direct authority (e.g., the GM or coach or captain) and preferably behind closed doors.

    If I have a coworker who could use a nudge in the right direction, public shaming wouldn’t enter the picture.

    *EDIT* I found a little comic that I hope better explains my viewpoint on freedom of speech in general (https://xkcd.com/1357/). Bob’s free to say what he wants, but I don’t have to support him, and I’m certainly free to lose a little respect for Bob and the Oilers for managing to make a damaged relationship more personal and hostile.

  166. hags9k says:

    Too bad McJesus couldn’t have recognized JPs importance to the organization and taken him under his wing. The talk of now turning that 4th overall pick, which was earned through another awful season of misery, into a Zach Smith or a Brandon Sutter, makes me want to hurl.

  167. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Too bad JP isn’t better able to communicate with the coaches and his teammates.

    I bet he could unlock a lot of his innate talent if he could comprehend more, and be better understood.

    When was the last time anyone saw an English interview with the young man where he demonstrated better than a novice’s command on the language? Actually asking.

  168. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Material Elvis: ‘He should shut his fucking mouth’ is a very aggressive statement.Where I’m from, it implies ‘or else’.Free speech also protects people from retribution.Bob’s statement about Jesse could have been crafted in a more political tone (it definitely was not slander);however, I do believe that there is some truth to his words and the player needs to take an introspective ‘hard look’ at his own performance in context with reality.

    To context Laine is not a great player. He’s a player with the world’s second best shot.

    He’s also struggling relatively after the league figured him out. He isn’t good at much else. Jesse should read the draft analysis from his year where it was commonly thought he’d be the better player in the long run.

    Bad agents or those that can’t reign in wrong headed clients are not helpful to anyone except perhaps themselves.

  169. jp says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Too bad JP isn’t better able to communicate with the coaches and his teammates.

    I bet he could unlock a lot of his innate talent if he could comprehend more, and be better understood.

    When was the last time anyone saw an English interview with the young man where he demonstrated better than a novice’s command on the language?Actually asking.

    You made me go look up some of his interviews on the Oilers site. I do agree that if he isn’t able to communicate with coaches and teammates (after three years!) it would be a big issue. On multiple levels.

    I watched 4 or 5 interviews with him from the last year (most were from November around when he was healthy scratched, sent down, then recalled) and then a short one during the skills competition.

    His english speaking is still quite halted and he comes off as having a pretty limited vocabulary. But at no point in any of the interviews did he appear to have trouble understanding the questions he was asked. He seemed to take everything in quickly, easily and correctly (and he didn’t misunderstand any of the questions), including in locker room scrums with multiple reporters asking questions.

    My take is that his comprehension and ability to communicate are completely fine. He just comes off as not having good command of the language because of his accent and the way he speaks.

    I suspect communication is not an issue for him and any improvements are unlikely unlock his potential.

  170. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: No need to be condescending.

    Just because the player is available doesn’t mean that he’s a good acquisition target.

    I didn’t miss anything about the player “being available”.

    I don’t think he’s a good acquisition target because, as I stated:

    “Do not trade for players approaching UFA status and then re-sign them for term for their decline year.”

    This team i not yet in a position to be acquiring players that are one-year from UFA status and will be in line for raises that pay them for term through their decline.

    In my opinion.

    I would think Kreider’s looming UFA status would also drive down the acquisition cost. Don’t think I would spend a first rounder to get him. Maybe in 2021. Certainly not 2020. And if things don’t work out and you can’t resign him, you can always trade him again at the deadline.

  171. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    jp,

    That’s a fair assessment… halting yet engaged responses.

    What doesn’t jive is his making rookie mistakes as a 3rd year player. Makes me wonder if he’s misunderstanding something crucial about his assignments/role. Or if it’s bees.

  172. ArmchairGM says:

    Reja: Has Anderson signed a extension if not anything can happen with the Jackets and the direction they choose to go.

    Sure anything can happen. Are you willing to give up Nuge + Samorukov to get him though? The Jackets have no interest in trading Anderson therefore the price will be very, very steep.

    Not worth discussing, IMO.

  173. ArmchairGM says:

    Reja: Has Anderson signed a extension if not anything can happen with the Jackets and the direction they choose to go.

    Also, Anderson has only been eligible to sign an extension for 10 days now, I wouldn’t read too much into the fact that it hasn’t happened yet.

  174. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: I would think Kreider’s looming UFA status would also drive down the acquisition cost.Don’t think I would spend a first rounder to get him.Maybe in 2021. Certainly not 2020. And if things don’t work out and you can’t resign him, you can always trade him again at the deadline.

    I wouldn’t give up a future pick either, but would consider JP + a 3rd. Pretty sure we could get more back at the deadline. Gorton seems like a pretty sharp trader so we won’t be getting him too cheap, but they do have a cap problem on their hands and need to spend the money elsewhere.

  175. Reja says:

    ArmchairGM: Also, Anderson has only been eligible to sign an extension for 10 days now, I wouldn’t read too much into the fact that it hasn’t happened yet.

    We need a top 6 winger to start the year Holland has 2 plus months for something to shake loose.

  176. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: No need to be condescending.

    Just because the player is available doesn’t mean that he’s a good acquisition target.

    I didn’t miss anything about the player “being available”.

    I don’t think he’s a good acquisition target because, as I stated:

    “Do not trade for players approaching UFA status and then re-sign them for term for their decline year.”

    This team i not yet in a position to be acquiring players that are one-year from UFA status and will be in line for raises that pay them for term through their decline.

    In my opinion.

    I totally understand the hesitation to trade for a player with an expiring deal. But it’s pointless to use Anderson’s contract as a comparison when he isn’t available without an overpay.

    Anyhow, I would make the Kreider trade if the price was reasonable for several reasons: i think the acquisition cost will be reasonable given the Rangers cap situation; I don’t think he’ll be super expensive to re-sign; I think he’d be a perfect fit on the team; if he doesn’t want to re-sign he can be traded at the deadline to recoup the assets spent; he likely won’t be expecting a max term deal like Hall will be.

    I’d re-up him for 5 years sooner than I would Hall and I don’t think it’s risky because
    – he’s big and durable
    – he’s fast
    – the contract covers age 29-33, i.e. not a retirement deal

  177. ArmchairGM says:

    Reja: We need a top 6 winger to start the year Holland has 2 plus months for something to shake loose.

    Two months but not much cap space. Godspeed, Ken.

  178. Reja says:

    ArmchairGM: Two months but not much cap space.Godspeed, Ken.

    Everything went wrong last year I’m hoping this will be opposite George year.

  179. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Projecting Darnell Nurse’s next contract and possible trades

    https://theathletic.com/1067616/2019/07/10/lowetide-projecting-darnell-nurses-next-contract-and-possible-trades/

  180. Andy Dufresne says:

    HT Joe: Andy: which would you choose:
    – McDavid wins the cup for another team (not Calgary) and the Oilers never win another cup
    OR
    – The Oilers win a cup without McDavid, and McDavid never wins the cup

    Ouch!

    This one is tougher than the one I asked.

    I’d like to think of myself as the “type” of person that would choose the “McDavid wins elsewhere” option (because he deserves it….and the Oilers dont), but if Im being honest, unfortunately, (and its a hard thing to admit), selfish me would choose a Stanley Cup for the Oilers.

    The qualifier is, if the Oiles traded McDavid, and then continued to do really stupid things with the roster and the cap, then I would cheer for McDavid to win the cup with another team.

  181. Jaxon says:

    Mikko Koskinen, Jesse Puljujarvi, Caleb Jones, Ryan McLeod, Joel Persson
    for
    Josh Anderson, Oliver Bjorkstrand, Elvis Merzlikins, David Savard

    I see this very much as a hockey trade that makes some good sense for both sides. CBJ blew its load for this spring’s playoff attempt. They are now in need of a starting goalie (and there is no sure thing out there in free agency). Panarin was a major part of their core; I think Seth Jones and Dubois are now. Puljujarvi is a gamble they may want to take with Dubois going forward. The Finnish GM may be the ideal person to unlock Jesse’s potential. Caleb Jones has the potential to be 3rd pair this season on their team behind Werenski and Murray and it may go a long way to making his brother Seth very happy. McLeod’s speed and Persson’s production may be enough to entice him to pull the trigger.

    From an Oiler’s perspective, Anderson is an ideal fit. Bjkorkstrand is solid, too. Savard can step right into the 2RD spot and Elvis can compete for #2 goalie spot although I think Edmonton should be shopping Europe for a goalie to push him down. This is a rebuild year where competing for a playoff spot was going to be difficult anyhow. Maybe they gamble on Scott Darling’s return to form. He just got engaged and maybe he is mentally ready to come back. Maybe one of the top KHL goalies has an NHL contract out clause like Emil Garipov, Magnus Hellberg, Vasili Demchenko, or Lars Johansson. I’d be willing to gamble on any one of them for 1 year just as much as Koskinen.

  182. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide:
    New for The Athletic: Projecting Darnell Nurse’s next contract and possible trades

    https://theathletic.com/1067616/2019/07/10/lowetide-projecting-darnell-nurses-next-contract-and-possible-trades/

    Is there a “good” scenario where Nurse gets traded? I mean by that, is it even possible that our young D develop so quickly that by the start of the 2020 season

    Klefbom Larsson
    Jones Bouchard
    Lagesson Benning
    Samorukov Persson

    Or some such combination could actually make Nurse at least somewhat redundant?

  183. Andy Dufresne says:

    Jaxon:
    Mikko Koskinen, Jesse Puljujarvi, Caleb Jones, Ryan McLeod, Joel Persson
    for
    Josh Anderson, Oliver Bjorkstrand, Elvis Merzlikins, David Savard

    I see this very much as a hockey trade that makes some good sense for both sides. CBJ blew its load for this spring’s playoff attempt. They are now in need of a starting goalie (and there is no sure thing out there in free agency). Panarin was a major part of their core; I think Seth Jones and Dubois are now. Puljujarvi is a gamble they may want to take with Dubois going forward. The Finnish GM may be the ideal person to unlock Jesse’s potential. Caleb Jones has the potential to be 3rd pair this season on their team behind Werenski and Murray and it may go a long way to making his brother Seth very happy. McLeod’s speed and Persson’s production may be enough to entice him to pull the trigger.

    From an Oiler’s perspective, Anderson is an ideal fit. Bjkorkstrand is solid, too. Savard can step right into the 2RD spot and Elvis can compete for #2 goalie spot although I think Edmonton should be shopping Europe for a goalie to push him down. This is a rebuild year where competing for a playoff spot was going to be difficult anyhow. Maybe they gamble on Scott Darling’s return to form. He just got engaged and maybe he is mentally ready to come back. Maybe one of the top KHL goalies has an NHL contract out clause like Emil Garipov, Magnus Hellberg, Vasili Demchenko, or Lars Johansson. I’d be willing to gamble on any one of them for 1 year just as much as Koskinen.

    I like your logic. A sort of Columbus rebuild.

    of course multi player deals are pretty rare in the cap era

    and I dont think I would do this deal if I were Kekäläinen.

    Too much risk / unproven players going to Columbus in return for proven players coming to the Oilers.

  184. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: It was so deflating to the playersthe coach and the fans. To win you need confidence swagger Oilers looked defeatedmost of the time.

    +1

  185. Andy Dufresne says:

    defmn: New Jersey has also only made the playoffs one time since that trade during the year that Hall won his MVP award with 93 points. In his other two years there they did not make the playoffs in spite of his 53 and 37 point contributions.

    I loved Hall as an Oiler but I have to say there is no topic that can derail this blog into fantasy land as quickly as the mention of the Taylor Hall/Larsson trade.

    Could Chiarelli have made a better trade than he did? We all seem to think so and yet the info revealed today does not support that narrative. In fact it tells exactly the opposite story. That could well be attributable to any number of factors but the info we are reading today says that Chiarelli was turned down for what are today regarded as marginal 2nd pair dmen.

    And, yes, I also noted that neither of those two GM’s is still working as a GM. But the information today sounds a lot like he had a list of teams with young RD and he worked his way down that list until he found a taker. We might not like that view but that is the view the evidence supports imo.

    You are brave.

    And from what Ive read recently, accurate as well.

  186. Andy Dufresne says:

    BONE207: CONNOR without Stanley???

    This does not compute!!!

    Look at you…coming in here…a mathy blog site, with outrageous thoughts based on nothing. You must never speak of this again. Unless of course you are referring to the Conner who is a distant cousin twice removed living in Scotland.

    lol

    Yes Yes…I was referring to Conner MacDavid !

  187. Andy Dufresne says:

    Mariusz Czerkawski:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Monsieur Dufresne, did he not win back to back super bowls in Denver?

    Correct you are Sir ! Thank You! May McDavid win at least as many Stanley Cups!

  188. Andy Dufresne says:

    godot10: It depends how big a cheque Katz is willing to write to the Russian team next summer.There is no transfer agreement.

    Given Russia’s economy, a case of vodka and a stack of Beatles albums should do it.

  189. Andy Dufresne says:

    godot10: Jesse probably doesn’t trust the Oilers’s doctors.He said he was feeling pain, and they questioned his honesty, and the GM, coach, and players probably believed the doctors, or did not demonstrate any support.

    Apparently thats an Oilers thing…playing through pain……I think guys like Souray and Ryan Whitney have stated as much.

  190. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne: Is there a “good” scenario where Nurse gets traded? I mean by that, is it even possible that our young D develop so quickly that by the start of the 2020 season

    Klefbom Larsson
    JonesBouchard
    Lagesson Benning
    SamorukovPersson

    Or some such combination could actually make Nurse at least somewhat redundant?

    None of the prospects make Nurse redundant. They don’t have the same skill set he does.

  191. Andy Dufresne says:

    pts2pndr: Being a good listener is the first step to being a good manager. We all for the most part believe we are good communicators when in reality this is not so. Your ideas are excellent, the true skill is in being able to communicate them to others.

    Nice. Truth.

  192. Andy Dufresne says:

    godot10: A false choice.

    It is not a binary situation.

    There are many ways of understanding the nature of philosophical questions. One may consider their morphology, semantics, relevance, or scope. A different approach, based on the kind of informational resources required to answer them, is a definition of philosophical questions as questions whose answers are in principle open to informed, rational, and honest disagreement, ultimate but not absolute, closed under further questioning, possibly constrained by empirical and logico-mathematical resources, but requiring noetic resources to be answered.

  193. Andy Dufresne says:

    Side: ““after careful consideration with Jesse, his agent and our medical staff, the best decision was to have the surgery and miss the remainder of the season.”

    “After receiving some bad news from the Edmonton Oilers medical staff, young forward Jesse Puljujarvi had visited a specialist for a second opinion. Unfortunately that opinion seems to have agreed with the first, as Jason Gregor of TSN is reporting that Puljujarvi will undergo hip surgery next week. Puljujarvi will not play again this season.”

    “First, reports stated that Puljujarvi had a consultation with a doctor who informed him the injury would require surgery. Later, the forward opted to seek a second opinion. The thought is he was hoping to avoid the season-ending outcome that an operation would bring. After obtaining the second opinion, Puljujarvi has found the surgical path unavoidable.”

    How does the above bring you to your narrative, though?

    Your narrative makes it seem as if Jesse has been asking for medical help but no one bothered to help him. But public knowledge is telling me Jesse explored multiple opinions over an issue his agent knew about and didn’t seem to balk at.

    +1 Thank you for taking the time to help set the record straight.

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