Two for the Show

by Lowetide

I believe Caleb Jones will win the No. 6 spot opening night for the Edmonton Oilers. He’ll have competition, including a “perfect fit” outlet passer in Evan Bouchard. I think Jones gets the first shot to win an NHL job and settle in, with the second recall possibly occurring around Game No. 40. Make no mistake: We’re going to see an invasion of defensemen in Edmonton over the next two seasons. It’s unavoidable.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A missing mom, aching feet and looking for Kevin Lowe: A week in the life of Oilers prospect Raphael Lavoie
  • New Lowetide: What to do when Connor McDavid rests: The Oilers’ ideal No. 2 line for 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Adding a scorer will be Ken Holland’s first big move as Oilers GM
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the Oilers’ depth chart looks like now and where they go from here
  • Jonathan Willis: How often do goalies like the Oilers’ Mike Smith rebound?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s roster moves clear the way for Oilers top prospects Tyler Benson and Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers GM Ken Holland promises long-term rewards for an approach light on short-term improvements
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Trade market now most likely place for Oilers to find scoring winger
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘He comes as advertised’: Philip Broberg’s skating makes him development camp standout for Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers plan to skew younger on defence could open the door for Evan Bouchard, Dmitri Samorukov
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.
  • Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?

In 1979-80, the Oilers used rookies Kevin Lowe and Risto Siltanen heavily. I observed the team closely that year, and both men spent time in Glen Sather’s doghouse.

In late December 1979, Lowe was struggling and there were rumors about him getting sent out (Mike Forbes). Sather at the time: “If a guy is making the same mistakes over and over again, you’ve got to be concerned. But if he’s learning then you’ve got to be patient.” 

This is going to happen in 2019-20, 40 years later. It won’t be pretty, it never is with young blue. In 1980-81, Paul Coffey had chaos moments so bad Slats turned instantly grey, and the hockey Gods would send him Charlie Huddy by the end of the season.

By 1981-82, those four men (with veterans Lee Fogolin, Doug Hicks and Gary Lariviere) formed Edmonton’s blue. Names left behind over those years included Pat Price, Colin Campbell, Al Hamilton, Mike Forbes.

We have the laundry list. Jones, Evan Bouchard, Ethan Bear, William Lagesson, Joel Persson, Dmitri Samorukov, Logan Day. We don’t know the Lowe, Coffey and we sure as hell don’t know the Huddy. If there is a Lowe, Coffey or Huddy. I think the best bets are Jones, Bouchard and Samorukov. Don’t be surprised if they are recalled in that order.

Jones has the best goal differential among Condors and received the NHL recall. He has good boots and learns on the job. I think he’s going to be a legit NHL defenseman. History teaches us just one name will make it to (say) 500 games, and we should acknowledge the possibility that none of these blue make it that far. Injuries are absolutely a major factor in longevity for NHL defensemen.

Offloading veterans

During the two year period that begins this fall, the orderly exit of vet Oilers rearguards might look like this:

Matt Benning: Dealt once Evan Bouchard, Ethan Bear or Joel Persson establish themselves as a bona fide NHL player who can remain healthy and play solid third pairing minutes. Estimate: Deadline 2020.

Brandon Manning: Contract expires at the end of the 2019-20 season.

Kris Russell: Buyout or trade possible summer 2020, he’ll be blocking several blue by this time next season, lord willing and the creek don’t rise.

Darnell Nurse: I’m writing about this today for The Athletic, should be up tomorrow some time. Fascinating situation.

Adam Larsson: He’ll be one year from free agency summer 2020, Edmonton will be thinking about expansion draft and playoffs. Much would have to go right in order for the Oilers to consider trading him.

Playoffs

Yesterday I posted my initial RE, with the Oilers coming in at 230-252. Several of you dm’d and said something along the lines that it still wasn’t a playoff team. I didn’t predict playoffs and doubt that’s possible at this time. A team that is -22 isn’t a playoff bunch. Here are the goal differentials for last season’s western conference playoff teams:

Calgary +62

Winnipeg +28

San Jose +28

Nashville +26

St. Louis +24

Vegas +19

Colorado +14

Dallas +8

Not close to the playoffs. I do believe they’ll be tighter defensively under Tippett and also believe the secondary scoring will improve. Long way from being a playoff club.

https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1148350124755705856

They never valued him, didn’t know what they had in Taylor Hall. Incredible. The fans earned the No. 1 overall pick in 2010, not one manager gave that fact a moment’s thought. That’s why I’ll never believe anything said about Jesse Puljujarvi. Why would anyone?

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Jethro Tull

To be fair, JP isn’t Hall. So a comparison is a little more nuanced.

Andy Dufresne

Not close to the playoffs.

~ But we’ve got Calgary’s +68 goalie now and they’ve got 12 first shot goals against to look forward to; So theres that ~

Andy Dufresne

Philosphical type question for the group.

If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

OR,

No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

Which would you choose?

bwar

Feels like last chance time for Matt Benning this season. A bit strange since he seems to bring quite a bit to the table. I feel like he’s going to get a look with Darnell Nurse this season to see if he’s up for jumping to the second pairing. If Benning is up for the job, I like the idea of Jones/Bear/Bouchard saddling up beside the Caroilne Cowboy on the third pairing. I hope we see several of the prospects get a chance this year and we get in a position where a few of our current defense either become expendable or can safely be moved down the lineup a peg.

Jethro Tull

Lowetide: Song remains the same. Want to know what’s wrong with Oilers players? Ask a manager. It shouldn’t be this way. Holland’s handling of JP suggests to me he is taking advice from the people who remain, and for me it’s a mistake. Go opposite George, Ken, do it today!

Oh, I agree. But that would suggest Chia was being advised by the same people and not the lone wolf that has been subtlety hinted at.

And we decided to cut bait on Hall after he had how many good seasons? If JP gives us half of Hall’s production, he’s a keeper.

bwar

Andy Dufresne:
Philosphical type question for the group.

If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

OR,

No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

Which would you choose?

I think McDavid getting traded would probably be the last straw for me, wouldn’t matter how many cups the Oilers won after that.

jp

Lowetide: Holland’s handling of JP suggests to me he is taking advice from the people who remain, and for me it’s a mistake. Go opposite George, Ken, do it today!

What do you mean? What could/should Holland do with Jesse that he isn’t doing due to advice from the management group?

HT Joe

bwar: I think McDavid getting traded would probably be the last straw for me, wouldn’t matter how many cups the Oilers won after that.

Don’t worry… if they alienate McDavid and trade him, they won’t ever win any cups.

Jethro Tull

Andy Dufresne:
Philosphical type question for the group.

If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

OR,

No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

Which would you choose?

Nope. Not biting. The words “hear me out, but what would be the return for McDavid, hypothetically?” are marching with ill considered elan towards this blog.

And that’s a short hop to “the Lindros haul got the Avs a cup” and right there, my friend, is where I get off this boat.

HT Joe

Regarding the tweet above:

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So this means:
– Oilers offered Hall for Risto and BUF said no
– Oilers offered Hall for Ceci and OTT said no
– Oilers offered Hall for Larsson and NJ said yes
Man, Hall trade is the gift that keeps on giving. https://
******************************************************

That is really painful. And what I’m about to say hurts too…

From all accounts MacTavish was against the Hall trade. And he’s the one who’s no longer with this team. The guy who wanted to keep Hall is the one who’s gone?! It seemed good for MacT and the Oilers to part ways, but if there are any supporters of the Hall trade still with the team, that’s a big damn problem.

Jaxon

Just thinking out loud…

I keep thinking there might be a trade to be made with CBJ. Their contender window has seemingly closed quite quickly on them.

Jesse Puljujarvi, Mikko Koskinen, Caleb Jones, Ryan McLeod, Joel Persson
for
Josh Anderson, Oliver Bjorkstrand, David Savard

It’s a bit late but maybe the Oilers could sign another KHL goalie like Emil Garipov, Magnus Hellberg, Vasili Demchenko, or Lars Johansson. I honestly don’t think they’d be any more risky than Koskinen. CBJ is badly in need of a goalie with a young Korpisalo as their starter and Merzlikins as their backup. Koskinen/Korpisalo might be an okay tandem. Sign them to the max cap space the Oilers can afford for 1 year, so they can go to open market next summer. Brayden Holtby is a UFA next summer. Would he want to come home to Alberta?

With maybe one or two of Kris Russell, Ryan McLeod, Markus Granlund, Aapeli Rasanen, Joel Persson, Logan Day, Cooper Marody as minor pieces for maybe one or two of Riley Nash, David Savard, Fix-Wolansky, Ryan Murray? Would any of these pieces be able to balance out the main trade?

Just throwing it out there to see if anyone can think of a way to make it work.

Andy Dufresne

“They never valued him, didn’t know what they had in Taylor Hall. Incredible. The fans earned the No. 1 overall pick in 2010, not one manager gave that fact a moment’s thought.”

What is it that all these Managers had in common that led to / created this?

Is there some sort of hockey business principle by which they govern?

Like some specific brand of leadership that they value above all else?

Some kind of loyalty equation?

It almost fits the operating perameters of some kind of quasi military organization:

Fall in Line
Chain of Command
Obedience
Tear em down to Build em Up
Command and Control
Honour, Courage and Commitment

Etc, Etc

who

Andy Dufresne:
Philosphical type question for the group.

If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

OR,

No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

Which would you choose?

I’d rather watch McDavid every night. I hope he wins a cup for his sake, not mine.
I watch hockey to be entertained so I prefer to keep the most entertainig player in the world. St Louis was a nice story, but do they really have a guy who keeps you on the edge of your seat.

pts2pndr

HT Joe:
Regarding the tweet above:

******************************************************
So this means:
– Oilers offered Hall for Risto and BUF said no
– Oilers offered Hall for Ceci and OTT said no
– Oilers offered Hall for Larsson and NJ said yes
Man, Hall trade is the gift that keeps on giving. https://
******************************************************

That is really painful.And what I’m about to say hurts too…

From all accounts MacTavish was against the Hall trade.And he’s the one who’s no longer with this team.The guy who wanted to keep Hall is the one who’s gone?!It seemed good for MacT and the Oilers to part ways, but if there are any supporters of the Hall trade still with the team, that’s a big damn problem.

If you think about your last paragraph re MacT please explain how his hire Dallas Eakins and Hall were always at odds over training etc. MacT continued to back Eakins and approved the install of a never was Boston D as team captain. This screams to me that MacT was Not a Hall supporter and quite likely the voice instigating Hall’s trade.

Durag

Andy Dufresne:
Philosphical type question for the group.

If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

OR,

No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

Which would you choose?

How about this instead:

You are standing at a railroad switch. A train is about to run over three Connor McDavids stuck on the track. You can pull the switch so the train goes on the other track, which contains one Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, and the Stanley Cup.

Do you pull that switch??

Andy Dufresne

bwar: I think McDavid getting traded would probably be the last straw for me, wouldn’t matter how many cups the Oilers won after that.

I completely get that. Completely respect that.

Its a tough call for me. McDavid is one of a kind. Like watching fireworks; you can see them 1000 times, and the 1001 st time, they still inspire awe.

But Hockey for me is all about that Cup.

If the choice is absolutley binary; Either McDavid or the Cup

I choose the Cup.

ArmchairGM

Lowetide: Darnell Nurse: I’m writing about this today for The Athletic, should be up tomorrow some time. Fascinating situation.

IMO Nurse brings an element that none of the prospects duplicate. I would wait until summer 2020 and then re-assess, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Klefbom moved on when the time comes* as his skillset is more likely to be made redundant by the oncoming prospects.

* Summer 2020 will not be that time. It will take 3-4 years before Samorukov / Broberg is ready for top-2 minutes; I don’t see Jones ever being able to play on the #1 pairing.

Andy Dufresne

Durag: How about this instead:

You are standing at a railroad switch. A train is about to run over three Connor McDavids stuck on the track. You can pull the switch so the train goes on the other track, which contains one Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, and the Stanley Cup.

Do you pull that switch??

I cheat. I pull the switch half way and derail the train. 🙂

But (kinda ) seriously, I take my hand off the switch. No NHL team in the cap era can afford 3 Conner McDavids! haha 🙂

The NBA maybe.

ArmchairGM

Lowetide: Holland’s handling of JP suggests to me he is taking advice from the people who remain, and for me it’s a mistake. Go opposite George, Ken, do it today!

What exactly do you think he should do?

Kinger_Oil.redux

Lowetide,

Jethro Tull: Oh, I agree. But that would suggest Chia was being advised by the same people and not the lone wolf that has been subtlety hinted at.

– For as much as I wanted Chia to succeed and defended him, my comment on the first day Chai was hired something along the line of who he brings in

– While there has been some addition by subtraction with Suter and MacT (although it bothers me that 2 players we drafted by coincidence are playing for him), and there is going to be the inevitable “bump” from new coach and new GM and some stability,

– But Holland has not brought anyone in: where is his next Yzerman? And Tippett: you all are going to as excited as when Hitch came in, and the gushing was over the top.

– I’m disappointed that no upcoming executives have been brought in, no new sports science approach, no analytics, no awesome younger coach in waiting (well Jay in Bakersfield) It’s basically: “when I was winning in Detroit, we did this”, and with Tippett: sure he’s a going to be fine

– Its basically the same vintage and “beliefs” as before, just from different organizations

– I’m sure we will win more, but nothing from an organization so far seems: “best in class”, or “innovative”, or “ahead of the curve”

– It’s just meh. Holland has more acumen on the fundamentals on the Hockey side than Chia, so he has that going for him (he’s a “rat rink”) It’s just not exciting management.

– I have no problems with any of the off-season moves: hope they did their due-diligence on Sek

– They should be better next year, baring a lot of missed time from Drai or McD

– I just don’t see a structural change to “elite” though, and that’s what bothers me: old guys with grey hairs, who have long track records, and work the system: did some things good and bad: pros

– Now if they revamp the management, and bring in say a NHL head-office guy who has game, and some cool analytic people, and a great GM-in-waiting, and a few people who aren’t the sameish age and demographic I will be ecstatic. None of this seems to be a priority though

Admiral Ackbar

Andy Dufresne:

It almost fits the operating perameters of some kind of quasi military organization:

Fall in Line
Chain of Command
Obedience
Tear Em down to Build em Up
Command and Control
Honour, Courage and Commitment

Etc, Etc

Excellent observation! The archaic honour codes that govern the game seems like it would yield itself to such a hierarchy. I think you’re on to something.

ArmchairGM

Andy Dufresne:
Philosphical type question for the group.

If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

OR,

No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

Which would you choose?

McDavid and HOPE. He’s just so special to watch.

JJS

I would state it a bit differently – I would rather watch 10 years of exciting, competitive hockey without a cup than 9 years of drudgery with 1 cup.

Case in point, the Capitals and Lightening are teams that I would cheer for all day despite the lack of cups (obviously speaking about pre-2018 Capitals).

So to your question – if the McDavid Oilers are absolute rockets that make it to the Conference finals every year but never win, count me in.

Andy Dufresne: I completely get that. Completely respect that.

Its a tough call for me. McDavid is one of a kind. Like watching fireworks; you can see them1000 times, and the 1001 st time,they still inspire awe.

But Hockey for me is all about that Cup.

If the choice is absolutley binary; Either McDavid or the Cup

I choose the Cup.

ArmchairGM

Durag: How about this instead:

You are standing at a railroad switch. A train is about to run over three Connor McDavids stuck on the track. You can pull the switch so the train goes on the other track, which contains one Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, and the Stanley Cup.

Do you pull that switch??

Yikes. Just kill me already.

Andy Dufresne

JJS:
I would state it a bit differently – I would rather watch 10 years of exciting, competitive hockey without a cup than 9 years of drudgery with 1 cup.

Case in point, the Capitals and Lightening are teams that I would cheer for all day despite the lack of cups (obviously speaking about pre-2018 Capitals).

So to your question – if the McDavid Oilers are absolute rockets that make it to the Conference finals every year but never win, count me in.

Three things occur to me.

1) It might be similar to being a San Jose or Nashville ( or modern day Toronto) Fan ( I wonder how they feel? )

2) I wonder how Broncos fans would feel if John Elway had failed in all 4 of his Super Bowl appearances instead of just 3.

3) How painful would it be as a fan to watch Connor never win a cup? Never get his name on Stanley.

OriginalPouzar

Yes, I agree, barring something unforseen during camp, I think that Caleb Jones breaks camp with the team. I truly believe that Willie Lagesson is in the same tier as Jones as a prospect (different type of game of course) and just as NHL ready but Jones “can play both sides) and has the sexier game and likely makes the team. It won’t be long before Willie gets his chance and he may never look back. He is going to develop in to a 22 minute 2LD who is in the mold of Adam Larsson/Jason Smith but a better skater and passer and with better offensive instincts.

I have little doubt that Bouchard will perform among the best of the all D during camp – he’ll likely put up a PPG in the 5-6 exhibition games. I truly hope that management and the coaching staff understand how little that means as far as NHL readiness (as we’ve seen year over year) and they don’t consider Bouchard an NHL option.

I do wish that Woody and Manson would have given Bouch a few more non-sheltered minutes during the Condors playoff run as that would give a better sense of his NHL readiness than anything in camp but we are where we are.

Bouch is a massively important piece of the future. They must be risk adverse and ensure he isn’t rushed to the NHL too fast. There is zero risk in having him in the Bake until the turn of the calendar before he is even an NHL option – they have 2 year pro d-men on the cusp of NHL readiness, Persson, Jones and Lagesson (and maybe Bear) that gives them the real ability to be risk-adverse and its incumbent that they are with Bouch.

HT Joe

Responding to PTS2PNDR

If you think about your last paragraph re MacT please explain how his hire Dallas Eakins and Hall were always at odds over training etc. MacT continued to back Eakins and approved the install of a never was Boston D as team captain. This screams to me that MacT was Not a Hall supporter and quite likely the voice instigating Hall’s trade.

***************************************
Everything I’ve heard in the last ~ 1/2 year is that MacT wanted to keep Hall. If I had to guess, MacT hired Eakins and tied himself at the hip to him. If MacT condemned Eakins, or at the very least didn’t support him, MacT would lose face for keeping the wrong coach.

MacT letting Eakins choose his own (terrible) captain was likely an extension of MacT supporting all facets of Eakins’ coaching choices.

OriginalPouzar

I think both Lavoie and Rodrigue were announced for the Plymouth development camp/showcase back in mid-June, weren’t they?

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/news/2019-20-njt-43-juniors-going-camping

I think they are both locks for the team.

GloryDaysOfStortini

I still have the Edmonton Journal newspaper with all the headlines and all the hype from when we drafted Hall :'(

Kinger_Oil.redux

– I’m also ready for any result this year, and none will surprise me

– Here’s what I hope though for for the start of 2020 season from draft/development:

1) 1 of Kailer, Pool, Benson is a full-time winger on a skill line
2) 2 of Jones, Bouchard, Lags, Persson, Bear, Samukorov, Berg are NHL D (or 1 +trade of others)
3) 1 of Marody, MacLeod, Maxi, Russell (or another from Bakes this year) emerge as a player
4) We find a G that is legit (from Bakersfield, Koski, trade, etc)
5) Brah looks real good in SHL, and stays there
6) Plus arrows from another Holland draft pick (hi Lavoie)

– If most of these don’t happen, our challenges increase

GordieHoweHatTrick

ArmchairGM: IMO Nurse brings an element that none of the prospects duplicate. I would wait until summer 2020 and then re-assess, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Klefbom moved on when the time comes* as his skillset is more likely to be made redundant by the oncoming prospects.

* Summer 2020 will not be that time. It will take 3-4 years before Samorukov / Broberg is ready for top-2 minutes; I don’t see Jones ever being able to play on the #1 pairing.

I agree with this thinking.

Drew

Lowetide: Song remains the same. Want to know what’s wrong with Oilers players? Ask a manager. It shouldn’t be this way. Holland’s handling of JP suggests to me he is taking advice from the people who remain, and for me it’s a mistake. Go opposite George, Ken, do it today!

Al, some of the Oilers hockey ops folks, and many in the hockey world were completely stunned by this trade. ( i know a few folks but of course will hold it confidential)

At the time many of these people were thinking all was lost.

Coiler

Any rumour that originated during the Chiarelli era should be taken with a few pounds of rock salt. The man could not assess glaring talent even when it was on his own club, much less on anyone else’s team.

Eakins, MacT, Howson, etc…the same old goats/ghosts are still haunting these pages. Let’s move on and consider the kids that are coming down the pipeline with respect to the D-Corps.

And if there ever comes a day where the Oilers have to trade McDavid, then let’s consider that trade a loss from the get-go. The return will never be the same, especially in the salary cap system.

Drew

The OBC is not a good group of performers, probably poor to mediocre at best. the Hall trade should not be on them.

JimmyV1965

HT Joe:
Responding to PTS2PNDR

If you think about your last paragraph re MacT please explain how his hire Dallas Eakins and Hall were always at odds over training etc. MacT continued to back Eakins and approved the install of a never was Boston D as team captain. This screams to me that MacT was Not a Hall supporter and quite likely the voice instigating Hall’s trade.

***************************************
Everything I’ve heard in the last ~ 1/2 year is that MacT wanted to keep Hall.If I had to guess, MacT hired Eakins and tied himself at the hip to him.If MacT condemned Eakins, or at the very least didn’t support him, MacT would lose face for keeping the wrong coach.

MacT letting Eakins choose his own (terrible) captain was likely an extension of MacT supporting all facets of Eakins’ coaching choices.

It’s possibly MacT May have disliked the player, but disliked the trade even more. I’m also not completely surprised Buffalo and Ottawa turned down their respective trades. The assessment of both Risto and Ceci were much much different than they are today. It might also be useful to note that the GMs for both those teams are no longer GMs.

Factotum

GloryDaysOfStortini:
I still have the Edmonton Journal newspaper with all the headlines and all the hype from when we drafted Hall :'(

Imagine if someone had told you then that Hall would get traded and subsequently become league MVP for another team; and when the calendar changed to 2020 the Oilers would *still* have only made the playoffs one time…

It would be hard for management to do worse intentionally.

jtblack

Andy Dufresne:
Philosphical type question for the group.
Give me McDavid for 7 Alex.

during the decade of Darkness I could not watch most nights because the product was so poor. But now I can watch a 6-2 loss and still find enjoyment because McDavid is superhuman and then unbelievable treat to watch every night.

If you could have 7 more years of Conner McDavid but no Stanley Cups

OR,

No Conner McDavid ( he is traded ) but 1 Stanley Cup in the next 7 years,

Which would you choose?

Side

Kinger_Oil.redux,

This is random and not related to what you are posting today, but thought I would share because it is related to you.

I don’t follow MLB at all and I only knew about the home run derby because you were mentioning it the other where you were discussing how Vlad Jr. wasn’t deserving enough to be invited there.

Later that day I saw a recommended link for me through Google with the headline ‘Vlad breaks home run record in first round of derby’ and I laughed. This isn’t meant as a call out or anything, just thought it was funny.

Darth Tu

Kinger_Oil.redux:
– I’m also ready for any result this year, and none will surprise me

– Here’s what I hope though for for the start of 2020 season from draft/development:

1) 1 of Kailer, Pool, Benson is a full-time winger on a skill line
2) 2 of Jones, Bouchard, Lags, Persson, Bear, Samukorov, Berg are NHL D (or 1 +trade of others)
3) 1 of Marody, MacLeod, Maxi, Russell (or another from Bakes this year) emerge as a player
4) We find a G that is legit (from Bakersfield, Koski, trade, etc)
5) Brah looks real good in SHL, and stays there
6) Plus arrows from another Holland draft pick (hi Lavoie)

– If most of these don’t happen, our challenges increase

I’m hoping our newly drafted Russian goalie has a stellar year in the K. He won’t be a solution for this year, but maybe he’s open to moving over for the 2020-21 season and pairs up with Koskinen – or Smith dependent on his performance and whether he signs on for another year in Edmonton.

Kinger_Oil.redux

Side:
Kinger_Oil.redux,

This is random and not related to what you are posting today, but thought I would share because it is related to you.

I don’t follow MLB at all and I only knew about the home run derby because you were mentioning it the other where you were discussing how Vlad Jr. wasn’t deserving enough to be invited there.

Later that day I saw a recommended link for me through Google with the headline ‘Vlad breaks home run record in first round of derby’ and I laughed.This isn’t meant as a call out or anything, just thought it was funny.

– Haha : my buddies teased me on that, as I tweeted it as well!

– I hadn’t realized the winner gets $1MM!

– So from an entertainment perspective it was awesome: hands down the most exciting event in All-Star game in years: so hard to argue the success. He’s still the worst, least accomplished hitter to participate in the Derby though. No one has hit more dingers in one round of derby than their career total before either. Hope he doesn’t think that he’s good to go now: he’s hitting .250 with 8 dingers.

– But if I knew he was going to put on a show like that, I would have shut my moudth, and watched something awesome: its entertainment, and I forgot that.

ArmchairGM

Darth Tu: I’m hoping our newly drafted Russian goalie has a stellar year in the K.He won’t be a solution for this year, but maybe he’s open to moving over for the 2020-21 season and pairs up with Koskinen – or Smith dependent on his performance and whether he signs on for another year in Edmonton.

I’m not sure whether he can come over in a year, my understanding is that he has 2 years left on his contract. My hope is that Starrett has another stellar season in Bakersfield this year and can play backup/ 30 game starter in 2020-21

pts2pndr

HT Joe:
Responding to PTS2PNDR

If you think about your last paragraph re MacT please explain how his hire Dallas Eakins and Hall were always at odds over training etc. MacT continued to back Eakins and approved the install of a never was Boston D as team captain. This screams to me that MacT was Not a Hall supporter and quite likely the voice instigating Hall’s trade.

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Everything I’ve heard in the last ~ 1/2 year is that MacT wanted to keep Hall.If I had to guess, MacT hired Eakins and tied himself at the hip to him.If MacT condemned Eakins, or at the very least didn’t support him, MacT would lose face for keeping the wrong coach.

MacT letting Eakins choose his own (terrible) captain was likely an extension of MacT supporting all facets of Eakins’ coaching choices.

I still have a great deal of respect for MacT his biggest mistake was buying what Dallas Eakins was selling! His choice of the less popular Draisaitl rates as one of his better managerial moves.

norm_klassen

Do we spend the next to seasons auditioning defensemen then trade our vets like nurse and k bomb? Or can we use some as trade bait before they make rookie mistakes and get devalued? Hopefully Holland had a plan that improves the team instead of the Oilers being a development team ..

Professor Q

Kinger_Oil.redux: – Haha : my buddies teased me on that, as I tweeted it as well!

– I hadn’t realized the winner gets $1MM!

– So from an entertainment perspective it was awesome: hands down the most exciting event in All-Star game in years: so hard to argue the success.He’s still the worst, least accomplished hitter to participate in the Derby though.No one has hit more dingers in one round of derby than their career total before either. Hope he doesn’t think that he’s good to go now: he’s hitting .250 with 8 dingers.

– But if I knew he was going to put on a show like that, I would have shut my moudth, and watched something awesome: its entertainment, and I forgot that.

I love how he lost to a guy even though he had twice as many HRs. Almost 100!

He has a very interesting swing where it looks like he keeps it short and clipped to his body. Maybe that keeps it consistent at hitting the ball near the top and sweet spot more often?

Rube Foster

Andy Dufresne:
“They never valued him, didn’t know what they had in Taylor Hall. Incredible. The fans earned the No. 1 overall pick in 2010, not one manager gave that fact a moment’s thought.”

What is it that all these Managers had in common that led to / created this?

Is there some sort of hockey business principle by which they govern?

Like some specific brand of leadership that they value above all else?

Some kind of loyalty equation?

It almost fits the operating perameters of some kind of quasi military organization:

Fall in Line
Chain of Command
Obedience
Tear em down to Build em Up
Command and Control
Honour, Courage and Commitment

Etc, Etc

Permit me to tell a true story about the well established “Edmonton Oiler Management Style”.

Once upon a time the Oilers had a bonafide All Star NHL defensemen on their roster, he was their number one d-man and one of the best players and leaders on the team. His salary reflected his status on the team.

One day the Edmonton Oiler management decided they no longer liked this player, he had said some things in the media and presumably did some things in the locker room that upset them.

Instead of finding a way to recoup some value from their NHL All-star defensemen and find the best way to move him out of town for a material return. The management of the Edmonton Oilers decided that their best course of action with one of their largest assets was to wage a public and ugly war of words with the player through the MSM. Of course this depreciated the value of the NHL All-star defensemen even further.

Then, to prove some kind of point, the Management of the Edmonton Oilers decieded that their best course of action would be to burry the NHL All-star defensemen in an other NHL team’s minor league team.

Remarkably, the Edmonton Oilers actually paid the NHL All-star defensemen millions of dollars to play for another team’s AHL squad. This is the point in the story when a rationale person would ask, why would the Edmonton Oilers Management do this?

The answer I have arrived at is because the Management of Edmonton Oilers time and time again have proven that they care less about wining NHL hockey games than they do about “things” that are not material to achieving their primary objective.

Failed organizations fall pray to this all the time, they get so caught up in the day to day trials and tribulations of the struggle that their mandate gets lost in a sea of fog.

As counterintuitive as it sounds the Management of the Edmonton Oilers would appear to value “being right”, “paying your dues”, “earning your ice time” and “reparations for hurt feelings” amongst a myriad of other old times cliches than they do about actually winning NHL hockey games.

If you think this fable is too incredible “even for the Oilers”, I’m sure that Bruce or LT can verify the veracity of the story.

I’m not making this shit up, just exam the Oilers won- loss records the past dozen years. The futility of the management group in the Katz Era is epic. Their History does not lie.

The Edmonton Oilers Management desperately require an Agent of Change. Running Jesse Puljujarvi out of town on the next train to nowhere or trading him for pennies on the dollar would be “more of the same” that we’ve seen in this town for years.

Ken Holland has a Herculean task ahead of him, if he can be the one that reforms and fixes the Management Style and practices of the Edmonton Oilers he will deserve a statue besides Wayne’s. I for one am rooting for Mr. Holland. Gord speed Ken, you can do this!

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Kinger_Oil.redux: – Haha : my buddies teased me on that, as I tweeted it as well!

– I hadn’t realized the winner gets $1MM!

– So from an entertainment perspective it was awesome: hands down the most exciting event in All-Star game in years: so hard to argue the success.He’s still the worst, least accomplished hitter to participate in the Derby though.No one has hit more dingers in one round of derby than their career total before either. Hope he doesn’t think that he’s good to go now: he’s hitting .250 with 8 dingers.

– But if I knew he was going to put on a show like that, I would have shut my moudth, and watched something awesome: its entertainment, and I forgot that.

Yeah Vlad is the only name I have heard as someone who doesn’t follow baseball much at all, really. Really curious to see how his career will turn out though!

PinkSocks

ArmchairGM: I’m not sure whether he can come over in a year, my understanding is that he has 2 years left on his contract.My hope is that Starrett has another stellar season in Bakersfield this year and can play backup/ 30 game starter in 2020-21

This is correct, Konovalov has 2 years remaining, so 21-22 is the earliest he can come over to NA.

flyfish1168

OriginalPouzar:
Yes, I agree, barring something unforseen during camp, I think that Caleb Jones breaks camp with the team. I truly believe that Willie Lagesson is in the same tier as Jones as a prospect (different type of game of course) and just as NHL ready but Jones “can play both sides) and has the sexier game and likely makes the team.It won’t be long before Willie gets his chance and he may never look back. He is going to develop in to a 22 minute 2LD who is in the mold of Adam Larsson/Jason Smith but a better skater and passer and with better offensive instincts.

I have little doubt that Bouchard will perform among the best of the all D during camp – he’ll likely put up a PPG in the 5-6 exhibition games.I truly hope that management and the coaching staff understand how little that means as far as NHL readiness (as we’ve seen year over year) and they don’t consider Bouchard an NHL option.

I do wish that Woody and Manson would have given Bouch a few more non-sheltered minutes during the Condors playoff run as that would give a better sense of his NHL readiness than anything in camp but we are where we are.

Bouch is a massively important piece of the future.They must be risk adverse and ensure he isn’t rushed to the NHL too fast.There is zero risk in having him in the Bake until the turn of the calendar before he is even an NHL option – they have 2 year pro d-men on the cusp of NHL readiness, Persson, Jones and Lagesson (and maybe Bear) that gives them the real ability to be risk-adverse and its incumbent that they are with Bouch.

I agree Bouchard should start in Bakersfield even if he has a good camp. The 1st 20 games in the NHL is a race. But also the easiest segment. I rather see him good and ready physically and mentally versus him being here early and struggling then being yoyo back and forth.

Reja

Andy Dufresne:
Not close to the playoffs.

~ But we’ve got Calgary’s +68 goalie now and they’ve got 12 first shot goals against to look forward to; So theres that ~

It was so deflating to the players the coach and the fans. To win you need confidence swagger Oilers looked defeated most of the time.