First-shot Scorer

The Edmonton Oilers drafted some ridiculous offensive talent in the middle of this decade, made possible through drafting early for several years in a row. Will the next quality scorer come from another lottery pick? Or is there another way?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: Adding a scorer will be Ken Holland’s first big move as Oilers GM
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the Oilers’ depth chart looks like now and where they go from here
  • New Jonathan Willis: How often do goalies like the Oilers’ Mike Smith rebound?
  • New Lowetide: Ken Holland’s roster moves clear the way for Oilers top prospects Tyler Benson and Kailer Yamamoto.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A deeper look at Mike Smith’s comments after signing with the Oilers
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers GM Ken Holland promises long-term rewards for an approach light on short-term improvements
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Trade market now most likely place for Oilers to find scoring winger
  • New Lowetide: Oilers add free agent Markus Granlund, creating a crowded depth chart at left wing
  • New Jonathan Willis: Tomas Jurco is a nice little reclamation bet by the Oilers.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How re-signing winger Alex Chiasson impacts the Oilers
  • New Lowetide: Oilers add Mike Smith to an uneasy goalie depth chart for 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Oilers buy out Andrej Sekera, look to a more dynamic free-agent frenzy.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘He comes as advertised’: Philip Broberg’s skating makes him development camp standout for Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers plan to skew younger on defence could open the door for Evan Bouchard, Dmitri Samorukov
  • Lowetide: Taking stock of Oilers prospects ready to graduate with a clear shot at an NHL job in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.
  • Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?

RECENT DRAFTS

Using CHL draft picks only, and drawing the line at 2014, these Edmonton Oilers have drafted some dynamic scorers. Here are the top forwards drafted, their age on October 1 of their respective draft years, and their goals per game in their draft seasons.

No special credit for McDavid, I’ll give some for Leon (there were other noteworthy players available), that’s a wonderful head start for any team. Among the group who are still matriculating, Kailer Yamamoto and the recently drafted Raphael Lavoie showed best in their draft seasons. Yamamoto’s draft +1 season was .53 goals per game, Lavoie should be able to blow past it (I don’t think the Oilers will keep Lavoie for nine NHL games).

AHL ENTRY DEALS ’18-19

The Oilers would love to see one of these men emerge as a legit top-six option in the NHL, but none is certain of NHL success. This group reminds me of the 1999-00 Hamilton Bulldogs entry group, shown here:

Riesen scored well but your skilled men don’t spend a lot of time in the minors. The verbal about Yamamoto echoes Riesen’s reasons for not making it, but for me they are not similar players. Riesen was shy, Yamamoto is game but must play smart and stay healthy. He’s going to lose battles, but can win them too with quickness. Has to dial up the shots per 60, too.

Cleary and Chimera were the successes from this group, but Chimera started slowly. Cleary had already spent some time in the NHL and was trying to get his game together (he would eventually). I think the best bet among this year’s group is Benson, and Marody is fabulously talented but will need to make a push in the coming year.

CHIARELLI’S GRADUATING AHL CLASS 2015

Holland’s graduating class of AHL forwards in their entry deals should turn out better than the Peter Chiarelli bunch. None of these men had a chance at top-six forward NHL careers. I do think all of Benson, Marody and Yamamoto have a chance.

TAYLOR HALL’S CONTRACT

I’m going to be following the Hall contract proceedings in NJ all summer/fall and winter. I think there’s a non-zero chance Edmonton signs him or makes a trade and then grabs him on a long-term deal. If you can’t replace Hall, why not re-acquire him? Larry Brooks has some interesting insight.

THE HALL TRADE BAIT LIST?

Holy hell, it would have to be damned near everyone not named McDavid or Draisiatl. I’ll also pull back Nuge because the idea is to establish two outscoring lines.

After that? Some combination of Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Adam Larsson, Evan Bouchard, 2020 first-round pick, Jesse Puljujarvi, Tyler Benson? It’s just one year of Hall but it’s really several years of another forward who can push the river. What would the trade package look like? Suspect the 2020 first rounder would be a key piece.

MATEJ BLUMEL

The Draft Analyst (Steve Kournianos): Blumel is an athletic pivot with breakaway speed who plays an aggressive style with or without the puck. He is a minute eater used in all situations, including the penalty kill, where he is as dangerous a threat as he is at even strength or with the man advantage. Blumel’s speed, edgework and agility are excellent. He isn’t very big, but he handles shoves and harassing stickwork with relative ease as he charges towards the net. As if his scoring proclivity weren’t enough, Blumel also is an agitator who gets under an opponent’s skin.

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191 Responses to "First-shot Scorer"

  1. Ben says:

    Stauffer’s been dropping Hall-comes-home hints everywhere, too. But he was all over Brent Burns coming here just before he signed in SJ, too.

    Two years of Nuge + Lagesson for one year of Hall?

    Obviously it would be hugely preferable that they sign him next year for free. I’d be wary of the term, but maybe he becomes the Hossa-piece that puts them over the edge.

    If ever they did pry him out this summer, we can all rest easy: the trade will NOT be one for one.

  2. 12 percent body fat says:

    with the ever adjusting contracts in the NHL what about this hypotheitical.

    Hall signs a 1 year 15M than reups at 8 x 9.5

    giving him a 9 year deal so to say

  3. 12 percent body fat says:

    Ben,

    add more and a lot more!

  4. Ben says:

    12 percent body fat:
    Ben,

    add more and a lot more!

    To what? To the Nuge + Lag for Hall idea?

    I don’t think so. Term is really key, as we saw in the Barrie deal.

    Could definitely see other conditional assets in the deal related to re-signing, though.

  5. 12 percent body fat says:

    Ben,

    barrie is not even an allstar, (great player) and hall is a hart trophy winner.

  6. GMB3 says:

    I don’t see the cap space needed to resign Hall, and he’s stated he wants to go to a competitive team.

  7. Ben says:

    12 percent body fat:
    Ben,

    barrie is not even an allstar, (great player) and hall is a hart trophy winner.

    The Oilers wouldn’t be trading Barrie for Hall.

  8. who says:

    Hall is the type of player you avoid right now.
    Under contract for 1 year and then a UFA in his late twenties with an injury history.
    He would cost waaaay too much in assets and would take up waaaay too much cap space after he signs his next contract.
    Holland needs to aim at a younger forward with a longer contract. Wishing for Hall is living in the past.

  9. leadfarmer says:

    I can’t imagine Hall wanting to come back here
    For some reason Oilers fans can’t get over the girl they dated a long time ago

  10. Jethro Tull says:

    I would buy Sekera out, then use the cap space to sign bottom six talent and rely on rookies and noobs to fill in for a veteran puck moving D man of quality while that bottom six talent play too far up the line up for too many minutes getting destroyed by quality leaving the rookie D exposed.

    Exactly what Holland said he wasn’t going to do, and what we’ve done for years without success.

  11. texmex says:

    Anyone read Kurt leavins article today? Says Lucius bonus is paid July 17th.

  12. Bryan says:

    Oilers can’t bleed any more assets. If Hall is coming back it has to be next year of his own free will. I can see them signing another forward with some scoring ability on a one year prove it deal and then if there is a trade available involving a dman or JP for a young forward then that could happen. Can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear and all that.

  13. Professor Q says:

    Holy hell, it would have to be damned near everyone not named McDavid or Draisiatl. I’ll also pull back Nuge because the idea is to establish two outscoring lines.

    After that? Some combination of Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Adam Larsson, Evan Bouchard, 2020 first-round pick, Jesse Puljujarvi, Tyler Benson? It’s just one year of Hall but it’s really several years of another forward who can push the river. What would the trade package look like? Suspect the 2020 first rounder would be a key piece.

    So essentially, from what you’re saying, is that he’s untouchable, worth the Lindros haul even as an aging rental, contrary to recent deals, and that Chiarelli, really, really sucks?

  14. OmJo says:

    leadfarmer:
    I can’t imagine Hall wanting to come back here
    For some reason Oilers fans can’t get over the girl they dated a long time ago

    She’s the girl you dated all through high school, who was helping you get out of a lonely depression and who you intended to marry and spend your glory year with. But then her father, just to spite you, decided to send her off in exchange for a rather bulky Swedish girl as part of a student exchange program. The Swedish girl, while nice and much more capable of beating up your bullies, and who did make your first year together feel special, just isn’t the same.

  15. tileguy says:

    You have a nice Sunday too Mr. Lowetide, while I read more Taylor Hall comments, ughh.

  16. OmJo says:

    Professor Q: Chiarelli, really, really sucks?

    Enough said.

  17. defmn says:

    //There is risk attached to Hall’s side as well, given the knee issues that limited him to 33 games while ruining his and his team’s 2018-19. It was the second time in Hall’s three years as a Devil that he incurred knee problems. A third occurrence would certainly put a damper on his coming-out party.//

    I suspect that if Hall hadn’t played here this is the narrative that would be surrounding him on this board and it would be 80/20 to avoid him at all costs.

  18. OmJo says:

    You don’t acquire Hall via trade unless you can guarantee he will re-sign. So a trade shouldn’t be considered a trade for a rental.

  19. Oilanderp says:

    Matej Blumel is exactly what the Oilers’ system needs. Good boy from Tabor!

  20. Scungilli Slushy says:

    texmex:
    Anyone read Kurt leavins article today? Says Lucius bonus is paid July 17th.

    That is great news. A reason why they haven’t found a way out. Othere teams do, ditch the cap Ken and giver.

  21. leadfarmer says:

    So we have to wait another 10 days to find out we can’t trade Lucic

  22. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Hall’s peak is at it’s apex if not declining because of health. Great player, but only for a steal and team friendly contract. That isn’t likely so no.

    Get a lesser but solid player instead like Zucker.

  23. Ben says:

    Oilanderp:
    Matej Blumel is exactly what the Oilers’ system needs.Good boy from Tabor!

    Yum, Tabor kukuřice!!

  24. Bag of Pucks says:

    I suspect the most likely scenario is NJ elevates into a solid Cup contender and Hall reups with the Devils. That team is really rounding into shape now. If Blackwood Or Scheider can give them solid goaltending, they should make some noise this season.

    Hall back to the Oilers? He changed his number to #9 to change his luck and jokes about being the player with the most lottery wins. He is beyond sick of losing and will only sign with a legit contender. The Oilers dont have a 1G, 1D, 1RW or a bottom 6. One of these things is not like the other.

  25. Silver Streak says:

    tileguy,

    amazing shit on the blog this fine morning….WTF ……never ceases to amaze me how some people can`t let go of Hall…..he was not the Messiah, and certainly is not now. I`m encouraged by the reports coming in about the speed and shooting numbers of Blumel and Hass, those two along with Nyquist will make a huge difference in our team speed and GF. Stay the course Dutchy.

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    As far as goal scoring goals, I love Maksimov as a potential wild card. His shot is NHL ready and high end and, if he makes it to the NHL, he will score goals. He is far from a sure thing but that skill is massive. He is more that a pure shooter though – he developed a very responsible 2-way game and was a plus PK guy in his draft plus 2 year.

    Miles to go but someone to watch develop in the Bake over the next few years.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    Would LOVE Taylor Hall for 1 year at $6M.

    Would be very nervous about Taylor Hall for 7 or 8 years at $11M plus….

  28. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Would LOVE Taylor Hall for 1 year at $6M.

    Would be very nervous about Taylor Hall for 7 or 8 years at $11M plus….

    We have our two star players. Need to surround them with good complimentary players
    Don’t have the cap for Hall
    But if we did I’d be happy to sign him
    Mcdavid is not going to be happy missing the playoffs every year and Hall would single handledly give us a good 2nd line

  29. tileguy says:

    Silver Streak,

    Read in the Journal that If Hass does not make the big team he will only accept a 2 week assignment in the Bake, after that he will go back to the Swiss league It sounds like besides his blazing speed he also possesses a decent wrist shot. A player to watch come September..

  30. John Chambers says:

    The question is: could you clear enough salary?

    Gagner, Manning, Benning, and say Klefbom would come off the books in favour of Benson, Marody, Bouchard, Persson, and Taylor Fucking Hall.

    As long as the salary cap climbs by $2-3M and the Oilers don’t make any other major additions, the money is possible.

  31. oilersfan says:

    Jurco will be this years Chiasson. He’s where we hope Benson will be in five years but now.

    Couldn’t crack the top six in Detroit with Datsyuk, zetterberg, et al in the it primes and wasn’t an experienced checker so didint fit in on Babcock’s systems as a 21 year old.

    I really like the bet and he’s my pick to play with Nuge on the second line

  32. Silver Streak says:

    tileguy,

    Programs…Programs…getcher Programs here….

    This year we will be needing a program…..We know our rookie D men will be exposed to waivers next year…this is the last year we will have the luxury of seeing them in NHL action…..

    1. Bouchard
    2. Bear
    3. Lagason
    4. Person
    5. Caleb Jones
    6. Samorukov

    add to that our recent forward signings:

    7. Granlund
    8. Jurco
    9. Haas
    10. Nygard

    add to that our forwards from the Bake

    11. Gambardella
    12. Benson
    13. Maksimov

    A Program will be necessary :

    Hey, how about a pool on how many NHL games we have one of these guys in the lineup this year.

  33. Tarkus says:

    Bag of Pucks:

    Hall back to the Oilers? He changed his number to #9 to change his luck and jokes about being the player with the most lottery wins. He is beyond sick of losing and will only sign with a legit contender. The Oilers dont have a 1G, 1D, 1RW or a bottom 6. One of these things is not like the other.

    Actually, Hall had to switch to #9 because the Devils had already retired #4 (Scott Stevens).

    Aside from that, your point stands.

  34. Shane says:

    OmJo: She’s the girl you dated all through high school, who was helping you get out of a lonely depression and who you intended to marry and spend your glory year with. But then her father, just to spite you, decided to send her off in exchange for a rather bulky Swedish girl as part of a student exchange program. The Swedish girl, while nice and much more capable of beating up your bullies, and who did make your first year together feel special, just isn’t the same.

    +1!

  35. npanciroli says:

    Hall was perfect for this team on his current contract. Hall won’t be good for this team on his next contract.

  36. OmJo says:

    Mike Commito

    @mikecommito

    The compensation structure at the time was 4 first-round picks for an offer of more than $5 million a year. If Buffalo didn’t match, Edmonton would’ve forfeited their first-round picks in 2008 (Tyler Myers), 2009 (Magnus Paajarvi), 2010 (Taylor Hall) & 2011 (Ryan Nugent-Hopkins)

  37. Oilman99 says:

    Ben:
    Stauffer’s been dropping Hall-comes-home hints everywhere, too. But he was all over Brent Burns coming here just before he signed in SJ, too.

    Two years of Nuge + Lagesson for one year of Hall?

    Obviously it would be hugely preferable that they sign him next year for free. I’d be wary of the term, but maybe he becomes the Hossa-piece that puts them over the edge.

    If ever they did pry him out this summer, we can all rest easy: the trade will NOT be one for one.

    Selling the farm for one year of Hall makes no sense, there is no way the team will have cap room to resign him after this year, it’s time to move on.

  38. Jethro Tull says:

    Oilman99: Selling the farm for one year of Hall makes no sense, there is no way the team will have cap room to resign him after this year, it’s time to move on.

    We get Hall, buy him out then get more bottom six talent.

  39. condormcdavis says:

    When I read about Taylor Hall and Edmonton I cringe.

    A: It was the kind of trade historically bad franchises make and the Oilers have made a habit out of it.

    B: Even contemplating the idea of him somehow returning to the Oilers is exactly the kind of pie in the sky BS Oilers fans create because the team is and has been bad for 20 years.

    Delusional really

  40. Ben says:

    Oilman99: Selling the farm for one year of Hall makes no sense, there is no way the team will have cap room to resign him after this year, it’s time to move on.

    This team needs good wingers. Hall is one of the best. If they can make the cost and term work, there’s no reason to “move on”. Get good players (back), keep good players (this time).

  41. JimmyV1965 says:

    The Hall ship has passed. Chiarelli. Spit.

  42. OmJo says:

    To those who complain about Oilers fans not moving on from Taylor Hall…

    Blame the franchise. Blame the organization.

    He was traded away June 2016. Three years. In those three years this team has done fuck all to improve. They’ve given us nothing to talk about. Very little to look forward to outside of two to three players. No playoffs (16-17 was an obvious outlier). No wins. Just drama, bonehead decisions, and meme-generating press conferences. The same shit, year after year after year.

    So yeah, it’s hard to move on from Taylor Hall because this franchise hasn’t moved on from being a disaster. They haven’t given us anything to move on to.

    IMO.

  43. JimmyV1965 says:

    The problem with developing our young forwards is you’re asking them to succeed playing with one good centre and a winger like Chiasson. You are asking them to be the second best player on the line. That is a huge challenge for any kid. Teams like Tampa can develop young players more easily because the kids are playing with two excellent forwards while facing lesser competition. We can have the kids line up with McDavid, but then they’re facing the toughest competition in the league every shift on the ice. Trading for a legit top six forward will make it much easier to transition these kids into a scoring role in the NHL.

  44. Oilman99 says:

    Silver Streak:
    tileguy,

    amazing shit on the blog this fine morning….WTF ……never ceases to amaze me how some people can`t let go of Hall…..he was not the Messiah, and certainly is not now.I`m encouraged by the reports coming in about the speed and shooting numbers of Blumel and Hass, those two along with Nyquistwill make a huge difference in our team speed andGF.Stay the course Dutchy.

    BEWARE last year the success of the team was based on the premise that a couple of rookies ( Yamamoto and Puljujarvi) would be able to fill the gaping holes in the lineup, and we know how that turned out. If Holland can’t find a legitimate top six winger, there is no reason to expect things will be any better this time around, remember these new signings are unproven at the NHL level.

  45. JimmyV1965 says:

    OmJo:
    To those who complain about Oilers fans not moving on from Taylor Hall…

    Blame the franchise. Blame the organization.

    He was traded away June 2016. Three years. In those three years this team has done fuck all to improve. They’ve given us nothing to talk about. Very little to look forward to outside of two to three players. No playoffs (16-17 was an obvious outlier). No wins. Just drama, bonehead decisions, and meme-generating press conferences. The same shit, year after year after year.

    So yeah, it’s hard to move on from Taylor Hall because this franchise hasn’t moved on from being a disaster. They haven’t given us anything to move on to.

    IMO.

    Nice post.

  46. OmJo says:


    Carolina Hurricanes

    @NHLCanes

    DONE DEAL! We have OFFICIALLY matched the @CanadiensMTL’s offer sheet for @SebastianAho!

    Aww…

  47. pts2pndr says:

    Jethro Tull:
    I would buy Sekera out, then use the cap space to sign bottom six talent and rely on rookies and noobs to fill in for a veteran puck moving D man of quality while that bottom six talent play too far up the line up for too many minutes getting destroyed by quality leaving the rookie D exposed.

    Exactly what Holland said he wasn’t going to do, and what we’ve done for years without success.

    We are all guilty of exaggeration but to fail to admit that Sekera was no longer a bonafide top four is unfair. Yes he would have made a good mentor for our young D but at a cap hit of 5.5 on a cap strapped team he was a luxury we could no longer afford. What he signed for as a UFA was the market value which is what necessitated the buyout. We have all been jaded by the mistakes of previous managers but it is my belief that we have to give Holland a fair chance. Your take on the Sekera buyout is in my opinion not fair.

  48. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Hall?!?

    Don’t play with my emotions LT.

    Furthermore, there’s a Hart premium to be paid now. Me thinks Duchene would have been cheaper albeit a lesser option.

  49. OmJo says:

    pts2pndr: We are all guilty of exaggeration but to fail to admit that Sekera was no longer a bonafide top four is unfair. Yes he would have made a good mentor for our young D but at a cap hit of 5.5 on a cap strapped team he was a luxury we could no longer afford. What he signed foras a UFA was the market value which is what necessitated the buyout. We have all been jaded by the mistakes of previous managers but it is my belief that we have to give Holland a fair chance. Your take on the Sekera buyout is in my opinion not fair.

    Only time will tell RE Sekera. See how he does in Dallas this season.

    Chiarelli is going to haunt this franchise from beyond the GM grave for a few years.

  50. Oilman99 says:

    Ben: This team needs good wingers. Hall is one of the best. If they can make the cost and term work, there’s no reason to “move on”. Get good players (back), keep good players (this time).

    There is no cap space, and there won’t be any in the near future. Nurse is going to need a new contract next year, and if he continues to improve, that is going to take a big chunk of change, Nuge contract also on the horizon, and the Lucic horse collar doesn’t look like its going away, there is just no room for a Hall contract where three players earn half the teams budget, Hall is pie in the sky.

  51. Reja says:

    OmJo:
    To those who complain about Oilers fans not moving on from Taylor Hall…

    Blame the franchise. Blame the organization.

    He was traded away June 2016. Three years. In those three years this team has done fuck all to improve. They’ve given us nothing to talk about. Very little to look forward to outside of two to three players. No playoffs (16-17 was an obvious outlier). No wins. Just drama, bonehead decisions, and meme-generating press conferences. The same shit, year after year after year.

    So yeah, it’s hard to move on from Taylor Hall because this franchise hasn’t moved on from being a disaster. They haven’t given us anything to move on to.

    IMO.

    Anytime my Calgary buddies torture me I bring up Brett Hull.

  52. Jordan says:

    OmJo:
    To those who complain about Oilers fans not moving on from Taylor Hall…

    Blame the franchise. Blame the organization.

    He was traded away June 2016. Three years. In those three years this team has done fuck all to improve. They’ve given us nothing to talk about. Very little to look forward to outside of two to three players. No playoffs (16-17 was an obvious outlier). No wins. Just drama, bonehead decisions, and meme-generating press conferences. The same shit, year after year after year.

    So yeah, it’s hard to move on from Taylor Hall because this franchise hasn’t moved on from being a disaster. They haven’t given us anything to move on to.

    IMO.

    Well, that’s only partly true.

    They gave us one year with real winger depth, and then bought out Pou and traded EBS.

    The biggest issues remain the lost value in trades, the bad signings to long term deals and the dead cap space on buyouts. Which is almost everything. Drafting and development has been better, but I’m not sure it can overcome no cap space and bad acquisitions.

    I would not trade hall for picks and prospects now because they are much better developed and have higher ceilings. I would wait for free agency. I think Hall is very likely to wait too. I don’t know if he comes back, and I don’t know what it would cost. I do know I’m open to it, and think it would be wonderful to win with him on this team. The Yaks and Ultramagnus too.

    Here’s hoping

  53. Reja says:

    Cleary 938 Chimera 1107 games played in the NHL holy moly that’s unreal for two journeyman players that new their job and did it well.

  54. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Imagine getting Hall for a similar package the Sharks gave up for 1 year of Norris winner Karlsson

  55. OmJo says:

    Jordan,

    We had winger depth, but we also had a very healthy squad. Our top 6 forwards missed 1 game combined. Klefbom played a full season, Sekera missed only 2 games, Larsson 3. Talbot was phenomenal. Compare that to 2015-16.

    Sounds like he’s going to test free agency before making a decision to see all his options. Inspired by Tavares.

  56. OmJo says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Imagine getting Hall for a similar package the Sharks gave up for 1 year of Norris winner Karlsson

    Unfortunately the Devils owner is willing to spend money on players, so very unlikely.

  57. HT Joe says:

    pts2pndr: We are all guilty of exaggeration but to fail to admit that Sekera was no longer a bonafide top four is unfair. Yes he would have made a good mentor for our young D but at a cap hit of 5.5 on a cap strapped team he was a luxury we could no longer afford.

    Do we KNOW that Sekera is no longer a top 4? I think that’s a little unfair by itself. We’ll all have to wait to see how the season progresses… maybe Sekera plays poorly in Dallas, or maybe he demonstrates a strong recovery from 2 surgeries and shows that his big brain is still working. He was heavily sheltered in his usage (thanks Bruce for that), but he didn’t look bad (by my painfully amateur eye).

    How’s it going to look if Sekera seems fine in Dallas, and Klefbom or Nurse gets injured (or Nurse regresses)? How’s that going to look when Chiasson’s shooting percentage returns to the meat (his sh% last year was 17.9%, vs. his previous career average of 11.5% – this would have turned his 22 goals into 14). It’s one thing to support the GM, but those two moves in a vacuum look dubious (maybe another shoe still has to drop, which changes my overall perspective).

  58. OmJo says:

    HT Joe: How’s that going to look when Chiasson’s shooting percentage returns to the meat (his sh% last year was 17.9%, vs. his previous career average of 11.5% – this would have turned his 22 goals into 14).

    Thank you for bringing this up.

  59. franksterra says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Agree 100%. Bringing in one bona fide scoring winger does not equate to mortgaging the future for immediate success.

  60. defmn says:

    OmJo:
    To those who complain about Oilers fans not moving on from Taylor Hall…

    Blame the franchise. Blame the organization.

    He was traded away June 2016. Three years. In those three years this team has done fuck all to improve. They’ve given us nothing to talk about. Very little to look forward to outside of two to three players. No playoffs (16-17 was an obvious outlier). No wins. Just drama, bonehead decisions, and meme-generating press conferences. The same shit, year after year after year.

    So yeah, it’s hard to move on from Taylor Hall because this franchise hasn’t moved on from being a disaster. They haven’t given us anything to move on to.

    IMO.

    Just imagine how many more first overall draft picks we would have if we had held on to him instead of him gifting them to NJD. 😉

  61. JimmyV1965 says:

    HT Joe: Do we KNOW that Sekera is no longer a top 4?I think that’s a little unfair by itself.We’ll all have to wait to see how the season progresses… maybe Sekera plays poorly in Dallas, or maybe he demonstrates a strong recovery from 2 surgeries and shows that his big brain is still working.He was heavily sheltered in his usage (thanks Bruce for that), but he didn’t look bad (by my painfully amateur eye).

    How’s it going to look if Sekera seems fine in Dallas, and Klefbom or Nurse gets injured (or Nurse regresses)?How’s that going to look when Chiasson’s shooting percentage returns to the meat (his sh% last year was 17.9%, vs. his previous career average of 11.5% – this would have turned his 22 goals into 14). It’s one thing to support the GM, but those two moves in a vacuum look dubious (maybe another shoe still has to drop, which changes my overall perspective).

    I don’t like the Chiasson signing, but 14 goals is value for $2 mill. I’m not sure what you expect from a $2 mill player. My issue with the signing is the money is better spent in a trade for a legit top six winger. The actual contract isn’t horrible at all.

  62. Bag of Pucks says:

    Reja: Anytime my Calgary buddies torture me I bring up Brett Hull.

    5 to 1 is always effective as well.

  63. Munny says:

    HT Joe,

    Pretty sure Bruce’s numbers not only showed extreme sheltering but also negative possession numbers. The odds are much more In favour that he is no longer a top 4 defenseman than is, and the possibility that he is no longer even a good bottom pairing defenseman is real and non-zero.

    I hope for his sake, because I like the guy, he sees a bounce-back in performance, but there was real risk to the org at the price point they had him at.

    I have never been so startled at a set of numbers as I was when I first read Bruce’s article. I had to read it again.

  64. HT Joe says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: Imagine getting Hall for a similar package the Sharks gave up for 1 year of Norris winner Karlsson

    Imagine if the Devils accepted a Larsson for Hall trade (1 for 1) 😀

  65. Reja says:

    HT Joe: Do we KNOW that Sekera is no longer a top 4?I think that’s a little unfair by itself.We’ll all have to wait to see how the season progresses… maybe Sekera plays poorly in Dallas, or maybe he demonstrates a strong recovery from 2 surgeries and shows that his big brain is still working.He was heavily sheltered in his usage (thanks Bruce for that), but he didn’t look bad (by my painfully amateur eye).

    How’s it going to look if Sekera seems fine in Dallas, and Klefbom or Nurse gets injured (or Nurse regresses)?How’s that going to look when Chiasson’s shooting percentage returns to the meat (his sh% last year was 17.9%, vs. his previous career average of 11.5% – this would have turned his 22 goals into 14). It’s one thing to support the GM, but those two moves in a vacuum look dubious (maybe another shoe still has to drop, which changes my overall perspective).

    Does Chase cover his contract with 14 Goals?

  66. HT Joe says:

    JimmyV1965: I don’t like the Chiasson signing, but 14 goals is value for $2 mill. I’m not sure what you expect from a $2 mill player. My issue with the signing is the money is better spent in a trade for a legit top six winger. The actual contract isn’t horrible at all.

    Thanks for putting that forward… I agree… when I’m complaining about the re-signing of Chiasson for ~ $2M, the thought in my head (which I don’t always type out) is that the $2M could help towards paying a legitimate top 6 winger.

    ************************************
    From the mostly tongue-in-cheek department… how’s this for a ballsy re-visiting from the last couple of weeks:
    Sekera buyout – saves $3M this year
    Koskinen buyout – $3.75M this year (subtract $700k for Starrett)
    Chiasson – not re-signed

    $6.05M cap space this year (using Smith and Starrett as the goaltending tandem)
    hey… that’s enough money for a Taylor Hall type winger… hahaha

  67. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965: I don’t like the Chiasson signing, but 14 goals is value for $2 mill.I’m not sure what you expect from a $2 mill player. My issue with the signing is the money is better spent in a trade for a legit top six winger.The actual contract isn’t horrible at all.

    Yesterday the market had him at 11 goals over under bought a shitload. Today it’s rebounded to 14

  68. HT Joe says:

    Munny: Pretty sure Bruce’s numbers not only showed extreme sheltering but also negative possession numbers. The odds are much more In favour that he is no longer a top 4 defenseman than is, and the possibility that he is no longer even a good bottom pairing defenseman is real and non-zero.

    My apologies… I neglected that (but there was no devious intent). Bruce’s numbers are very convincing… I’m probably more hopeful than anything that he’s still top 4.

  69. Munny says:

    There is reason to believe that Chiasson’s shooting percentage will not fully regress to the meat. That reason is powerplay time, which has a material effect on shooting percentage. And his contract represents fair value at full regression. It’s a pretty good bet for Holland, and on top of it, he doesn’t have to worry about dressing room fit or buy-in from the player.

  70. Munny says:

    HT Joe: (but there was no devious intent).

    I didn’t think there was, HeatTreater, I like your posts. They are typically more rational than dramatic, more even-handed than hyperbolic.

  71. HT Joe says:

    Munny: I didn’t think there was, HeatTreater, I like your posts. They are typically more rational than dramatic, more even-handed than hyperbolic.

    Thanks… that’s really nice to hear. I am trying this year to be less dramatic / complainy in my posts (though I know I do stumble). I appreciate your comment.

  72. OmJo says:

    JimmyV1965: I don’t like the Chiasson signing, but 14 goals is value for $2 mill.I’m not sure what you expect from a $2 mill player. My issue with the signing is the money is better spent in a trade for a legit top six winger.The actual contract isn’t horrible at all.

    But not good enough for a top 6 LW, which barring some miracle by Holland is what he will be when the season begins.

  73. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Reja: Anytime my Calgary buddies torture me I bring up Brett Hull.

    You magnificent bastard!! Thanks for this.

    Doug Gilmour comes to mind too. Hahahahaha Calgree sucks!

  74. Jethro Tull says:

    pts2pndr: We are all guilty of exaggeration but to fail to admit that Sekera was no longer a bonafide top four is unfair. Yes he would have made a good mentor for our young D but at a cap hit of 5.5 on a cap strapped team he was a luxury we could no longer afford. What he signed foras a UFA was the market value which is what necessitated the buyout. We have all been jaded by the mistakes of previous managers but it is my belief that we have to give Holland a fair chance. Your take on the Sekera buyout is in my opinion not fair.

    The only reason Sekera should have been brought out is because the Oilers had some kind of inside info on his injury that no one else was privy to. Otherwise there’s no defending it.

    The Oilers have been accused of rushing prospects into roles that were too much for them whilst not having enough good veterans to keep them down the lineup.

    He was one of our two bona fide puck moving D, could play both sides on any pairing. And we brought him out after Ken said he wanted prospects to “over ripen” in his words. So which prospect can immediately replace Sekera, do you think?

    Once again, the verbal doesn’t match the action and a decision was seemingly based on something other than winning. Buying him out because you have cap problems? Fine. Using the relief for things other than the glaring needs? I’m starting to look long and hard at Kenny.

    The biggest of a bunch of big problems with the Oilers is that the bottom six is in fact our middle six. Our top D pairing should be our middle D pairing.

    Connor was drafted and it was felt a veteran GM was needed with a veteran coach. Four years later, when everything went tits up, again we only have one answer: Veteran GM and veteran coach. And all the while teams like Toronto with younger, more flexible GMs are eating our lunch.

    We’re watching the same movie, but with different actors.

  75. godot10 says:

    Being Taylor Hall.

    Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall.
    Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall

    Hall Hall Hall
    HallHallHall HallHallHall HallHallHall
    Hall Hall Hall

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    12 percent body fat:
    with the ever adjusting contracts in the NHL what about this hypotheitical.

    Hall signs a 1 year 15M than reups at 8 x 9.5

    giving him a 9 year deal so to say

    I’d be afraid of giving him a 7 year deal – even a 5 year deal is risky given age and injury history.

    I do love Taylor Hall but I just don’t see it as a fit given his age when he’ll be a free agent.

  77. JimmyV1965 says:

    OmJo: But not good enough for a top 6 LW, which barring some miracle by Holland is what he will be when the season begins.

    Ultimately, that is the problem. Doesn’t matter if it’s Chiasson or any of the other bottom feeders. They’re not top six players. I don’t hate the signings and I think the bottom six is likely better than last year. But right now we’re hoping someone like Jurco or Granlund discovers their game and becomes a top six forward. And here we are again, hoping for something that ain’t bloody likely. I’m not judging Holland yet, but he needs to do something to improve the team. Add just one good player please.

  78. Reja says:

    Admiral Ackbar: You magnificent bastard!! Thanks for this.

    Doug Gilmour comes to mind too. Hahahahaha Calgree sucks!

    Yea Gilmour as well but he needed to hightail it out of town.

  79. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965: Ultimately, that is the problem. Doesn’t matter if it’s Chiasson or any of the other bottom feeders. They’re not top six players. I don’t hate the signings and I think the bottom six is likely better than last year. But right now we’re hoping someone like Jurco or Granlund discovers their game and becomes a top six forward. And here we are again, hoping for something that ain’t bloody likely. I’m not judging Holland yet, but he needs to do something to improve the team. Add just one good player please.

    I wonder what is the average salary of a 3rd line winger?

  80. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’d be afraid of giving him a 7 year deal – even a 5 year deal is risky given age and injury history.

    I do love Taylor Hall but I just don’t see it as a fit given his age when he’ll be a free agent.

    Does Calgary make a pitch at him?

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    I would buy Sekera out, then use the cap space to sign bottom six talent and rely on rookies and noobs to fill in for a veteran puck moving D man of quality while that bottom six talent play too far up the line up for too many minutes getting destroyed by quality leaving the rookie D exposed.

    Exactly what Holland said he wasn’t going to do, and what we’ve done for years without success.

    Sekera’s buyout cap space was not allocated to Chiasson or any particular player. It provided much needed flexibility to sign the 5-6 players that he did and still have some space to acquire the 3C while provide a cushion.

    WIth the Sekera buyout, there is room for one of the AHL kids to break camp with the team and to play on the 3rd pairing. Yes some injury cover has been lost so, if injuries pile up, then yes, there could be some “playing too far up the lineup” but looking for one player that has 2 years of pro experience to earn a bottom six spot is definitely not going against what Holland has stated he’s going to (or not going to) do – in my opinion.

  82. GMB3 says:

    Reja: Does Calgary make a pitch at him?

    I don’t see how they would get the cap space

  83. GMB3 says:

    Best bet on getting a player of Taylor Halls ability? Hope the lottery balls land in our favour

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo:
    You don’t acquire Hall via trade unless you can guarantee he will re-sign. So a trade shouldn’t be considered a trade for a rental.

    Agreed and, at the same time, this is not a player that you want to give big money and term to – in my opinion.

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    So we have to wait another 10 days to find out we can’t trade Lucic

    I can dream of the Lucic for Eriksson one for one but that is so lop sided in favor of the Oilers that I can’t imagine it happening.

  86. Woogie63 says:

    Oilers were brutal with Hall

    Devils are brutal with Hall

    After a while you need to own it.

  87. Reja says:

    GMB3: I don’t see how they would get the cap space

    Trade Jenny back east.

  88. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    GMB3: I don’t see how they would get the cap space

    They do need to sign Tkachuk, but they have frolik, harmonic, stone, Brodie, all becoming UFAs next year. Which is approximately $16M. Now We know they will need to be replaced, but may not take nearly as much cap to do so. If they can rid themselves of Neals contract with no cap coming back (which would be much easier to do than say Lucic or Eriksson), it will definitely be possible to sign him (as much as I would hate to see it happen)

    Please let the fLames sign Tkachuk for $9M+. If they somehow get another super-value contract on another high-impact player, calling NHL shenanigans!!!

  89. Reja says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: They do need to sign Tkachuk, but they have frolik, harmonic, stone, Brodie, all becoming UFAs next year. Which is approximately $16M. Now We know they will need to be replaced, but may not take nearly as much cap to do so. If they can rid themselves of Neals contract with no cap coming back (which would be much easier to do than say Lucic or Eriksson), it will definitely be possible to sign him (as much as I would hate to see it happen)

    Please let the fLames sign Tkachuk for $9M+. If they somehow get another super-value contract on another high-impact player,calling NHL shenanigans!!!

    Hall definitely want’s to win a cup but I believe he wants to come back to Alberta and would take a little less money. I think Hall is just one of those folks that beats to his own drum.

  90. leadfarmer says:

    Admiral Ackbar: You magnificent bastard!! Thanks for this.

    Doug Gilmour comes to mind too. Hahahahaha Calgree sucks!

    Around here, you magnificent bastard doesnt mean what you think it means

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    BagofPucks:

    Hall back to the Oilers? He changed his number to #9 to change his luck and jokes about being the player with the most lottery wins. He is beyond sick of losing and will only sign with a legit contender. The Oilers dont have a 1G, 1D, 1RW or a bottom 6. One of these things is not like the other.

    He did? May I ask where you heard/read that about the reason for changing his number.

    I mean, he continues to tweet out self-deprecating gems about the lottery wins – doesn’t seem overly-embarrassed with them.

    I’m thinking the more likely reason for him changing away from number 4 is, well, Scott Stevens?

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Silver Streak:
    tileguy,

    amazing shit on the blog this fine morning….WTF ……never ceases to amaze me how some people can`t let go of Hall…..he was not the Messiah, and certainly is not now.I`m encouraged by the reports coming in about the speed and shooting numbers of Blumel and Hass, those two along with Nyquistwill make a huge difference in our team speed andGF.Stay the course Dutchy.

    Nyquist? I think you mean Nygard, right?

    Hass has speed but lets see if he’s an actual NHL player – Nygard to but I think he is likely more legit.

    Blumel? If he gets signed to a pro contract he’ll have over-performed his draft position – If he impacts that roster, amazing pick – we’ll know if 5 years maybe?

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: We have our two star players.Need to surround them with good complimentary players
    Don’t have the cap for Hall
    But if we did I’d be happy to sign him
    Mcdavid is not going to be happy missing the playoffs every year and Hall would single handledly give us a good 2nd line

    Don’t disagree with anything you say there and, as I said, I would love Hall for next season at $6M.

    Are you OK with having Hall for 7-8 years at $11M plus (could even be more) for a contract that would start a month before his 29th b-day and would take him past 35? Lots of wear and tear even without the major injuries which are a concern and of a recurring nature it seems.

  94. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woogie63:
    Oilers were brutal with Hall

    Devils are brutal with Hall

    After a while you need to own it.

    Blaming the best players on bad teams is the Lennart Petrell of sports opinions.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    oilersfan:
    Jurco will be this years Chiasson. He’s where we hope Benson will be in five years but now.

    Couldn’t crack the top six in Detroit with Datsyuk, zetterberg, et al in the it primes and wasn’t an experienced checker so didint fit in onBabcock’s systems as a 21 year old.

    I really like the bet and he’s my pick to play with Nuge on the second line

    I’m excited for Jurco given what I’ve read about him over the last week (and the research done by members of this community). I do think he is an option for the top 6 – yes, he’s got to earn it but he’s got an offensive skill-set and I hope he gets some at bats.

    I’m not sure I understand the Benson comparison. Benson is trending to surpass what Jurco has accomplished at the NHL level potentially as early as within the next 12 months.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    SilverStreak:
    1. Bouchard
    2. Bear
    3. Lagason
    4. Person
    5. Caleb Jones
    6. Samorukov

    I think you were ordering them with respect to NHL at bats for this year and I am going to have to disagree with that above list and my order would be:

    – Jones
    – Persson
    – Lagesson (just as ready as Jones but Persson older)
    – Bear/Bouchard
    – Bouchard/Bear
    – Samorukov

    Give Jones, Persson, Lagesson, Bear, I just can’t see Bouchard in the NHL in October even though he will light up exhibition with points and sexy passes.

    Let Dave Mason develop this player for at least a few months and see where we are.

    He’s simply too important to the future to not be risk-adverse and there is no need to take undue risk given the options.

  97. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sekera’s buyout cap space was not allocated to Chiasson or any particular player.It provided much needed flexibility to sign the 5-6 players that he did and still have some space to acquire the 3C while provide a cushion.

    WIth the Sekera buyout, there is room for one of the AHL kids to break camp with the team and to play on the 3rd pairing.Yes some injury cover has been lost so, if injuries pile up, then yes, there could be some “playing too far up the lineup” but looking for one player that has 2 years of pro experience to earn a bottom six spot is definitely not going against what Holland has stated he’s going to (or not going to) do – in my opinion.

    Of course Holland didn’t buy out Sekera to specifically sign Chaisson. That’s a bit of a ‘No True Scotsman’ argument. The money wasn’t specifically allocated for anyone. But it should have been. A top 6 winger or goalie that isn’t 110yrs old. But Ken sewed it like bird seed hoping for peacocks and got pigeons instead..

  98. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Blaming the best players on bad teams is the Lennart Petrell of sports opinions.

    Lol, imagine this place with the August headline of ‘Oilers invite Lennart Petrella to PTO.’

  99. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m excited for Jurco given what I’ve read about him over the last week (and the research done by members of this community).I do think he is an option for the top 6 – yes, he’s got to earn it but he’s got an offensive skill-set and I hope he gets some at bats.

    I’m not sure I understand the Benson comparison. Benson is trending to surpass what Jurco has accomplished at the NHL level potentially as early as within the next 12 months.

    Any links to info on Jurco?

  100. HT Joe says:

    Woogie63:
    Oilers were brutal with Hall
    Devils are brutal with Hall
    After a while you need to own it.

    Oilers were brutal in 2017-2018 with McDavid.
    Oilers were brutal in 2018-2019 with McDavid.

    I don’t think McDavid should own the sins of the management / coaching staff / ownership, nor do I think Hall should.

    Imagine how differently people would view Hall if the Oilers has drafted Seguin, and Hall had won a cup with the Bruins in year one. (Hall likely would have been developed into an even better player in bean town, with actual skilled mentors, winning culture, and exposure to playoffs early in his career).

  101. GMB3 says:

    Reja: Hall definitely want’s to win a cup but I believehe wants to come back to Alberta and would take a little less money. I think Hall is just one of those folks that beats to his own drum.

    On spittin’ chiclets 2 years ago he referenced his next contract will be signed based on an opportunity to win, that took precedence over money. Calgary provides more of that opportunity than Edmonton does. I’d probably sign him for 10.5 million if we could get rid of Lucic’s contract without taking much back on.

  102. GMB3 says:

    HT Joe: Oilers were brutal in 2017-2018 with McDavid.
    Oilers were brutal in 2018-2019 with McDavid.

    I don’t think McDavid should own the sins of the management / coaching staff / ownership, nor do I think Hall should.

    Imagine how differently people would view Hall if the Oilers has drafted Seguin, and Hall had won a cup with the Bruins in year one. (Hall likely would have been developed into an even better player in bean town, with actual skilled mentors, winning culture, and exposure to playoffs early in his career).

    For sure. If people thought Hall’s shenanigans out on the town in Edmonton were bad, Seguin would have blown him out of the water.

  103. Old Timer says:

    All those who are dreaming of Hall returning to he Oilers, please give it a rest.

    I honestly don’t see the locker room having a healthy vibe with McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse and Hall thrown into the mix. This is McDavid,s team. He has earned it and he is their leader. Don’t screw it up with the return of Hall. He is a prima donna.

  104. pts2pndr says:

    HT Joe: Do we KNOW that Sekera is no longer a top 4?I think that’s a little unfair by itself.We’ll all have to wait to see how the season progresses… maybe Sekera plays poorly in Dallas, or maybe he demonstrates a strong recovery from 2 surgeries and shows that his big brain is still working.He was heavily sheltered in his usage (thanks Bruce for that), but he didn’t look bad (by my painfully amateur eye).

    How’s it going to look if Sekera seems fine in Dallas, and Klefbom or Nurse gets injured (or Nurse regresses)?How’s that going to look when Chiasson’s shooting percentage returns to the meat (his sh% last year was 17.9%, vs. his previous career average of 11.5% – this would have turned his 22 goals into 14). It’s one thing to support the GM, but those two moves in a vacuum look dubious (maybe another shoe still has to drop, which changes my overall perspective).

    I believe Sekera has value however he was never going to be part of the team that challenges for a cup. As I have said he was a luxury we could not afford. To assure that our young D get the required at bats one of Russel or Sekera had to be moved. Given that no team was jumping up to the plate I believe, Holland had little choice. The team has to always come first and by my observation this was the best of several bad choices. It takes no skill to criticize every move and I wish there were better options. Wether there were better options we as fans will never truly know.

  105. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull: Lol, imagine this place with the August headline of ‘Oilers invite Lennart Petrella to PTO.’

    That would be awesome.

  106. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m excited for Jurco given what I’ve read about him over the last week (and the research done by members of this community).I do think he is an option for the top 6 – yes, he’s got to earn it but he’s got an offensive skill-set and I hope he gets some at bats.

    I’m not sure I understand the Benson comparison. Benson is trending to surpass what Jurco has accomplished at the NHL level potentially as early as within the next 12 months.

    Will see about Jurco but plenty of players his age have killed the Ahl competition and can’t sniff a drop in the NHL and he has those back injuries. Hope he does well but don’t think he bats in top 6 even on a poor team.

    Also I don’t see Halls injury issues as big of a deal as most. If you can get a player of his caliber or Stones caliber this last year you do it. I would try to talk him down to 10 mil per
    In 6 years 10 mil a year isn’t going to be too bad. Once new tv deal is signed cap will go up quickly again and top players will be signing 20 mil a year contracts.

  107. Reja says:

    HT Joe: Oilers were brutal in 2017-2018 with McDavid.
    Oilers were brutal in 2018-2019 with McDavid.

    I don’t think McDavid should own the sins of the management / coaching staff / ownership, nor do I think Hall should.

    Imagine how differently people would view Hall if the Oilers has drafted Seguin, and Hall had won a cup with the Bruins in year one. (Hall likely would have been developed into an even better player in bean town, with actual skilled mentors, winning culture, and exposure to playoffs early in his career).

    Did you see the openly groupie following Seguin has. I’m surprised he has the energy to play.

  108. Reja says:

    Jethro Tull: Of course Holland didn’t buy out Sekera to specifically sign Chaisson. That’s a bit of a ‘No True Scotsman’ argument. The money wasn’t specifically allocated for anyone. But it should have been. A top 6 winger or goalie that isn’t 110yrs old. But Ken sewed it like bird seed hoping for peacocks and got pigeons instead..

    I believe as one poster before me alluded to the buy-out was for the Connolly signing. I’m totally spitballing here I believe Holland offered 4×4 and Connolly chose Florida the less tax and more importantly less pressure and hassle Edmonchuk.

  109. JimmyV1965 says:

    Reja: I wonder whatis the average salary of a 3rd line winger?

    I would think guys like Connolly and Donskoi are high end third liners, maybe low end second liners. They get what $3.5 mill. The 3C should likely get more. Not sure what the avg would be though. Chiasson is probably paid appropriately for what he is.

  110. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Blaming the best players on bad teams is the Lennart Petrell of sports opinions.

    I was going to respond to his post, but suspected he would get more than a few anyway. Maybe we should trade McDavid for O’Reilly. Pretty well guarantees us the Stanley Cup.

  111. Rebillled says:

    It’s too bad we never got to see a full season of McDavid and Hall.

    Some classless guy injured McDavid and no team in their right mind traded for that guy and

    GOILERS!

  112. Jethro Tull says:

    Reja: I believe as one poster before me alluded to the buy-out was for the Connolly signing. I’m totally spitballing here I believe Holland offered 4×4 and Connolly chose Florida the less tax and more importantly less pressure and hassle Edmonchuk.

    If the answer to the question “what if we don’t get Connelly?” is “Sign Alex Chaisson”, then you’re not asking the right questions.

  113. Chris says:

    Lenart Pettral on a PTO “is mental”.

  114. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965: I would think guys like Connolly and Donskoi are high end third liners, maybe low end second liners. They get what $3.5 mill. The 3C should likely get more. Not sure what the avg would be though. Chiasson is probably paid appropriately for what he is.

    Why do you think he’s getting the grief before he even starts his high stakes contract. Its him being one of those dirty good for nothing PTO’s I tell’s yea

  115. Silver Streak says:

    Old Timer,
    this plus 1

  116. Reja says:

    Jethro Tull: If the answer to the question “what if we don’t get Connelly?” is “Sign Alex Chaisson”, then you’re not asking the right questions.

    If they signed Connolly at 4×4 I honestly believe they would have waited and seen if Chase could land a nice contract if not I think they would have found a way to sign him 1.85 for 2 years.

  117. OmJo says:

    Woogie63:
    Oilers were brutal with Hall

    Devils are brutal with Hall

    After a while you need to own it.

    Own what? That he can’t carry a poorly constructed roster or a rebuilding roster to the promised land?

  118. HT Joe says:

    pts2pndr: I believe Sekera has value however he was never going to be part of the team that challenges for a cup.

    Ok, I think I better understand your perspective.

    I’m a big fan of incremental improvements… does Sekera on the team make it better by some small margin? If so, I’m inclined to keep him. I think if Sekera is on a team that makes many improvements (many minor) over a duration of time, at some point, Sekera would be on a legitimate Stanley Cup contender. My concern is “does buying out Sekera to make room for defensive prospects make the team better right now”, and if the answer is “no”, then I’m against the move since it gets the team further from the playoffs.

    I recognize the concept of short term pain, long term gain, but I typically struggle with supporting it if there is somehow another move that presents “lateral move, long term gain”. For example, if we needed short term cap relief, this reference is indicating a cap saving of $3M for buying out Kris Russel (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/kris-russell#results)… I recognize that cap savings on 2020-2021 is significantly lower, but the cap addition in the subsequent 2 years is reduced by ~$600k (if more cap space is needed in 2020-2021, maybe the cap goes up or maybe the Oilers don’t re-sign / move other players next off-season). I could be totally wrong, but I’d rather take a chance on Sekera remaining a smart puck-moving professional, as opposed to hoping for Kris Russell to suddenly be able to positively drive the 2nd pairing.

    Circling back to my point, if Sekera flourishes in Dallas, I’ll likely be joined by a loud chorus, disappointed by Holland’s first major move.

  119. Jethro Tull says:

    Reja: If they signed Connolly at 4×4 I honestly believe they would have waited and seen if Chase could land a nice contract if not I think they would have found a way to sign him 1.85 for 2 years.

    Imagine a dartboard. Connelly’s picture is bullseye. Around the periphery are the pictures of some truly awful players. The Oilers put all their darts in the same hand and threw them blindfolded at the general direction of the board.

  120. OmJo says:

    Reja: Hall definitely want’s to win a cup but I believehe wants to come back to Alberta and would take a little less money. I think Hall is just one of those folks that beats to his own drum.

    The poor man’s version of Kawhi teasing the Raptors (Devils) and Lakers (Oilers) while the whole time trying to get the Clippers (Flames) to trade for Paul George (Matthew Barzal) before agreeing to sign a contract.

  121. OmJo says:

    pts2pndr: I believe Sekera has value however he was never going to be part of the team that challenges for a cup.

    I mean, he was part of the team that was one pulled pad away from reaching the WCF…

  122. Jethro Tull says:

    OmJo: The poor man’s version of Kawhi teasing the Raptors (Devils) and Lakers (Oilers) while the whole time trying to get the Clippers (Flames) to trade for Paul George (Matthew Barzal) before agreeing to sign a contract.

    Kawhi, both hero and villain. If he’d made his decision earlier, Toronto could have chased someone else…..

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV49: I don’t like the Chiasson signing, but 14 goals is value for $2 mill.I’m not sure what you expect from a $2 mill player. My issue with the signing is the money is better spent in a trade for a legit top six winger.The actual contract isn’t horrible at all.

    I have to agree with this. I don’t think Holland signed Chiasson to that contract with the view of him scoring 20 plus goals. I think he was signing a middle 6 winger who is good in the room and can play on the 2nd line if required (yes, I know his P/60 may not quite be “middle six”). Frankly, a 14G scorer who isn’t lost defensively is worth $2M in today’s market.

    Also, the buyout and the signing can’t be viewed in a vacuum – the new money was not used on Chiasson – it was used to provide some flexibility for the off-season in general including the current $3.5M that we have available – yes, we could have not bought out Sekera and not signed Chiasson and had similar money available for a “better player” but what player that was signed in the last week did we want to offer a greater contract to (either cap hit and/or term) to “win” – I would say non (give or take Mrazek).

    Holland will grab a 3C – shit, maybe he structures something to grab Gusev – I’m not enthralled with Chiasson at all but the team is better with him than without right now and I don’t think over-spending to grab someone “better” would have been the right play.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    HT Joe,

    Pretty sure Bruce’s numbers not only showed extreme sheltering but also negative possession numbers.The odds are much more In favour that he is no longer a top 4 defenseman than is, and the possibility that he is no longer even a good bottom pairing defenseman is real and non-zero.

    I hope for his sake, because I like the guy, he sees a bounce-back in performance, but there was real risk to the org at the price point they had him at.

    I have never been so startled at a set of numbers as I was when I first read Bruce’s article.I had to read it again.

    If I remember correctly, his numbers while on the 3rd pairing were very good – highly positive – however he did get caved when moved up.

    Of course, he was essentially shaking off 2 years of rust, joining the league 5 plus months behind everyone else as far as game shape and with a shortened summer of training and zero training camp.

    Missing training camp alone is pretty big. Missing a month of the season is extremely big. Do we think that Willie Nylander is the player we saw last year? I’m quite certain missing camp and the first month of the season was huge in his poor season – he wasn’t even coming off an injury either.

    There is a very good chance that Sekera is much improved over last year with a training camp and starting his season in October. That’s not to say that he will for sure be 2nd pairing guy but I can’t imagine he’s not much better than we saw last year (which wasn’t that bad).

  125. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    The question of Chaisson is “is he a CONSISTENT 14 goal scorer?”

    Especially away from McDavid and no.PP time.

    I’ll bet he regresses to what he is; a serviceable 4th line banger.

  126. digger50 says:

    Old Timer:
    All those who are dreaming of Hall returning to he Oilers, please give it a rest.

    I honestly don’t see the locker room havinga healthy vibe with McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse and Hall thrown into the mix. This is McDavid,s team. He has earned it and he is their leader. Don’t screw it up with the return of Hall. He is a prima donna.

    You do realize that your attitude represents why free agents do not want to sign in Edmonton?

    And what is with this attitude that you can only have so many leaders on a team or they won’t get along? Where does that come from? You must very happy with Chiarellis work then. Keep bringing in junk so as to not challenge the top dogs.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Does Calgary make a pitch at him?

    I was hoping they’d sign Karlsson and, yes, I am also hoping they sign Hall.

    Yes, there is a risk as an Oiler fan – Hall is an elite player when healthy and will be for a few years (if healthy) but I do see a massive contract with term and, even though I would love Taylor Hall on the Oilers) paying that player huge money starting at age 29 and past 35 years old seems very risky and potentially anchoring at some point.

    I’m all for the flames doing that but damn would I be kicking myself if he put them “over the top” in the next year or two – nah, won’t happen – sign the man for term!

  128. GMB3 says:

    Reja: Why do you think he’s getting the grief before he even starts his high stakes contract. Itshim being one of those dirty good for nothing PTO’s I tell’s yea

    I know like minimum 4 different people have explained this to you over the past week, but I’ll give it another shot.

    Many fans were hoping the Oilers would sign a a more material player, with a history of being a top 6 player, in an effort to improve our forwards, specifically adding a player who can help the second line. Alex Chiasson is not this player.

    Signing Chiasson essentially means we have not found a way to improve our second line from last season. “Running in place” some would say. After the Sekera buyout, the hope was the extra cap space was going to be used to find this player.

    I would of been okay with making a play for Lehner/Mrazek/goalie

    Holland’s tinkered with the bottom six, but signing Chiasson limits what we can do to find a top 6 guy.

  129. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I was hoping they’d sign Karlsson and, yes, I am also hoping they sign Hall.

    Yes, there is a risk as an Oiler fan – Hall is an elite player when healthy and will be for a few years (if healthy) but I do see a massive contract with term and, even though I would love Taylor Hall on the Oilers) paying that player huge money starting at age 29 and past 35 years old seems very risky and potentially anchoring at some point.

    I’m all for the flames doing that but damn would I be kicking myself if he put them “over the top” in the next year or two – nah, won’t happen – sign the man for term!

    Is a 40-50 point Taylor Hall at 35 more value at 10.5 mill (complete speculation on the $, I have no idea) than a 31 year old, 6 million dollar, 20 point Milan Lucic?

  130. HT Joe says:

    Old Timer: I honestly don’t see the locker room having a healthy vibe with McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse and Hall thrown into the mix.

    I’ve never understood why having Hall in the locker room (Hall being an alpha-male type player) is a problem, but then bringing in “head of the table” alpha-male Lucic into the locker room was good for locker room environment. What am I missing?

    I mean, Lucic is, if anything, more alpha than Hall, since in a fist fight, Lucic would handily beat up anyone on the team.

  131. Jethro Tull says:

    Old Timer:
    All those who are dreaming of Hall returning to he Oilers, please give it a rest.

    I honestly don’t see the locker room havinga healthy vibe with McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse and Hall thrown into the mix. This is McDavid,s team. He has earned it and he is their leader. Don’t screw it up with the return of Hall. He is a prima donna.

    Yeah, I bet the Tampa Bay locker room is just pure poison.

  132. Bulging Twine says:

    texmex:
    Anyone read Kurt leavins article today? Says Lucius bonus is paid July 17th.

    Which just happens to be Loui Eriksson’s birthday

  133. GMB3 says:

    It’s a damn shame we don’t have a responsible veteran W to play with McDavid and try and run a Drai-Nuge second line

  134. GMB3 says:

    Jethro Tull: Yeah, I bet the Tampa Bay locker room is just pure poison.

    Too many cooks in the kitchen = swept in the first round by an 8 seed

  135. Bulging Twine says:

    tileguy:
    Silver Streak,

    Read in the Journal that If Hass does not make the big team he will only accept a 2 week assignment in the Bake, after that he will go back to the Swiss league It sounds like besides his blazing speed he also possesses a decent wrist shot. A player to watch come September..

    perfect no risk move, if he doesn’t make the team he goes back and contract is voided and doesn’t take a spot on the 50-man

  136. BONE207 says:

    Ben: Yum, Tabor kukuřice!!

    That’s kukorica in Hungarian…are you a Slav?

  137. HT Joe says:

    GMB3: Too many cooks in the kitchen = swept in the first round by an 8 seed

    Too many cooks you say?

    https://youtu.be/QrGrOK8oZG8
    (Sorry in advance)
    *EDIT* Not really suitable for work (it was produced by Adult Swim), but be prepared for a weird adventure into the terrible…

  138. Jethro Tull says:

    GMB3: Too many cooks in the kitchen = swept in the first round by an 8 seed

    So your premise is not to have too many good players because everyone knows good players have ego problems?

  139. BONE207 says:

    John Chambers:
    The question is: could you clear enough salary?

    Gagner, Manning, Benning, and say Klefbom would come off the books in favour of Benson, Marody, Bouchard, Persson, and Taylor Fucking Hall.

    As long as the salary cap climbs by $2-3M and the Oilers don’t make any other major additions, the money is possible.

    I did not know Taylor’s middle name till now. Thanks.

    Get rid of Gagner & Manning will just about give us Tay for next year. If the Disorganization can make the team a contender, he might take a sweetheart deal.

    #Connor

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB51: Any links to info on Jurco?

    The comments on this blog over the last week – sorry, that’s the best I got – can’t remember which days but there was some good info.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Old Timer:
    All those who are dreaming of Hall returning to he Oilers, please give it a rest.

    I honestly don’t see the locker room havinga healthy vibe with McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse and Hall thrown into the mix. This is McDavid,s team. He has earned it and he is their leader. Don’t screw it up with the return of Hall. He is a prima donna.

    He is? Based on?

  142. Bulging Twine says:

    Silver Streak:
    tileguy,

    We know our rookie D men will be exposed to waivers next year…

    So, if the top 5 are set, there are 7 players fighting for 2 D spots.

    Manning
    Persson
    Bouchard
    Samorukov
    Lagesson
    Jones
    Bear

    5 if Holland follows through on his marinating in the minors plan.

    4 if you exclude Manning

    Will be great to watch who takes the spots.

    Those young D must have got a little more excited when Sekera was bought out.

    It’ll be a big year in those guys career

  143. BONE207 says:

    Silver Streak:
    tileguy,

    Programs…Programs…getcher Programs here….

    This year we will be needing a program…..We know our rookie D men will be exposed to waivers next year…this is the last year we will have the luxury of seeing them in NHL action…..

    1. Bouchard
    2. Bear
    3. Lagason
    4. Person
    5. Caleb Jones
    6. Samorukov

    add to that our recent forward signings:

    7. Granlund
    8. Jurco
    9. Haas
    10. Nygard

    add to that our forwards from the Bake

    11. Gambardella
    12. Benson
    13. Maksimov

    A Program will be necessary :

    Hey, how about a pool on how many NHL games we have one of these guys in the lineup this year.

    If it’s me, at least one of these guys are playing every game this year. Learning what we can, guiding each one through the season & try them again.

    Get good players, keep good players. We’ve got some. Which do we keep?

  144. Pescador says:

    Reja: Did you see theopenly groupie following Seguin has. I’m surprised he has the energy to play.

    Ha,
    Who says you have to go to the gym to get your cardio work in

  145. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull: Kawhi, both hero and villain. If he’d made his decision earlier, Toronto could have chased someone else…..

    Toronto was going to blowup the team before Kawhi. After Kawhi, they will blow up the team and rebuild. They have nearly $80 million coming off of their cap after next season. All the guys with one year left Ibaka, Lowry, Gasol will be trade candidate near the deadline or sooner this coming season.

    If Kawhi had stayed it would have been a different strategy,

    They should have a playoff calibre team next season depending on the timing of the departure of the expiriing contracts.

  146. Marc says:

    I don’t live in Edmonton, so I don’t know connected people or hear Oilers related things. Our host here does live in Edmonton, knows connected people and hears things however, so if he says that there’s a non-zero chance that the Oilers reacquire Hall then I’m inclined tend to take it seriously.

    I would note though, that for a trade to be a realistic possibility two things have to happen:
    1. New Jersey has to be far enough out of contention in February for there to be no realistic shot at the playoffs; and
    2. The Oilers are not just fighting for a playoff spot, but actually look like they could win a round or two.

    I can’t see Shero trading Hall unless he’s absolutely sure that they season’s sunk and that Hallisn’t coming back. And I can’t see Holland giving up assets for what would be by far the most attractive rental on the market unless he thinks he has a team that’s one player away from being a serous Cup contender.

    And if this Oilers team is just one elite player away from being a serous Cup contender in February, then it means that pretty much every one of Holland’s bets this summer has paid off – Koskinen and Smith both provided above average goal tending, one of the AHL jumps straight into the top 4 and pushes Russell down to the third pairing with Benning, three scoring wingers emerge to play with McDavid, Drai and Nuge and the bottom six are outscoring their opposite numbers.

    In that (highly, highly unlikely) scenario, what’s going to New Jersey for Hall probably isn’t any of those successful bets. GMs tend not to want to subtract too much from a winning team. I suspect it’s something like a first round pick and two decent pieces drawn from whatever’s left in the minor leagues.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: Will see about Jurco but plenty of players his age have killed the Ahl competition and can’t sniff a drop in the NHL and he has those back injuries.Hope he does well but don’t think he bats in top 6 even on a poor team.

    Also I don’t see Halls injury issues as big of a deal as most.If you can get a player of his caliber or Stones caliber this last year you do it.I would try to talk him down to 10 mil per
    In 6 years 10 mil a year isn’t going to be too bad.Once new tv deal is signed cap will go up quickly again and top players will be signing 20 mil a year contracts.

    Even without the injury history (which I do think is a big deal), I’m not in to signing players to big money for their 30s – Hall will be 29 a month in to the first season of that contract and I’m sure its going to be 7 or 8 years. Cap increasing in the future or not, I like to keep powder dry to pay big money for player’s prime years.

  148. Gerta Rauss says:

    Bulging Twine: Which just happens to be Loui Eriksson’s birthday

    I wonder when Eriksson’s bonus is payable -it’s bigger ($4M) than Lucic’s ($3M)

  149. BONE207 says:

    Jethro Tull: We get Hall, buy him out then get more bottom six talent.

    Jethro…

    I don’t like your tone. Have you been hanging out with Hunter?

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: Kawhi, both hero and villain. If he’d made his decision earlier, Toronto could have chased someone else…..

    Actually, this is not true.

    They could sign Leonard as their own free agent but they did not have the cap room to sign anyone from an external team

  151. Jethro Tull says:

    BONE207: Jethro…

    I don’t like your tone. Have you been hanging out with Hunter?

    Sorry, sarcasm detector broken. You can detect tone through written word?

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: Kawhi, both hero and villain. If he’d made his decision earlier, Toronto could have chased someone else…..

    Actually, this is not true.

    They could sign Leonard as their own free agent but they did not have the cap room to sign anyone from an external team

  153. Reja says:

    My 3 favourite teams at the moment are the Rangers, White Sox and padres. Hell yea!

  154. Bulging Twine says:

    As it stands now at FW there is a lot of competition for quite a few roster spots. This is not Washington or Tampa where the lineup is pretty much set.

    Will be interesting who steps up.

    Interesting looking at scoring rates – Currie’s gaols/60 and first assists/60 are better than you’d think because he only averaged 8:43 ice time per game.
    His first assists per 60 were 5th (small sample size)
    Khaira btw was 3rd. I think that he can find guys in shooting spots, would be great to put him with a player that can get open and has a good shot.

    Granlund isn’t much of a playmaker it appears

  155. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: Actually, this is not true.

    They could sign Leonard as their own free agent but they did not have the cap room to sign anyone from an external team

    No. No. He could have let them know his decision earlier. Earlier the better.

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    JethroTull: No. No. He could have let them know his decision earlier. Earlier the better.

    It didn’t matter – they didn’t have the cap space to sign anyone from another team but only their own free agents. They were over the cap and only had the ability to sign internal free agents. The cap system in the NBA is not the same as in the NHL.

    Even if Leonard told them the day the playoffs ended he was leaving, it would not have mattered – they did not have cap space for external free agents.

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    Responding to the following from Jethro Tull:

    The question of Chaisson is “is he a CONSISTENT 14 goal scorer?”

    Especially away from McDavid and no.PP time.

    I’ll bet he regresses to what he is; a serviceable 4th line banger.

    ______________________________

    I would hope that Chiasson would play away from McDavid given they weren’t great together (he scored 7 of his 5 on 5 goals with Drai, 3 with McDavid).

    Why does he have to get no PP time. He has shown an ability to perform in the role and, frankly, are there better right shot shoot first options on the roster?

    To say no PP time is simply trying to pigeon hole him in to a role that won’t produce even when he has shown the ability to produce in the role – he deserves the chance for some PP time to see if there is a bit of repeatable skill there.

    Unlike his 5 on 5 scoring rates, his PP scoring rates were decent.

  158. Jordan says:

    The only NHL calibre asset the OIlers have with the term and value to trade straight up for 1 year of Hart trophy Hall outside of the untouchables right now is Klefbom. I’m not convinced trading Kelfbom for Hall without having negotiated a contract extension is worthwhile, and i expect if he would sign a contract extension while in Jersey, he wouldn’t be traded anyways.

    As such, I would be quite surprised if it happened.

    However, I’d consider it. I bet Shero would too, it he hasn’t signed an extension.

  159. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: If I remember correctly, his numbers while on the 3rd pairing were very good – highly positive – however he did get caved when moved up.

    Nope.

    While facing the QualComp one would expect a 7/8 defenseman or a heavily sheltered rookie to be given, he didn’t finish with a positive goal differential (14f-15a), nor positive in Corsi orFenwick, while playing most commonly with Nuge and Draisaitl as his forwards. That’s at EVs this past year. The prior year was even worse.

    He was close this past year, for sure, but was given all the help one could possibly give a defenseman just to get close to not losing the possession or goal battle.

  160. pts2pndr says:

    HT Joe: Ok, I think I better understand your perspective.

    I’m a big fan of incremental improvements… does Sekera on the team make it better by some small margin?If so, I’m inclined to keep him.I think if Sekera is on a team that makes many improvements (many minor) over a duration of time, at some point, Sekera would be on a legitimate Stanley Cup contender.My concern is “does buying out Sekera to make room for defensive prospects make the team better right now”, and if the answer is “no”, then I’m against the move since it gets the team further from the playoffs.

    I recognize the concept of short term pain, long term gain, but I typically struggle with supporting it if there is somehow another move that presents “lateral move, long term gain”.For example, if we needed short term cap relief, this reference is indicating a cap saving of $3M for buying out Kris Russel (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/kris-russell#results)… I recognize that cap savings on 2020-2021 is significantly lower, but the cap addition in the subsequent 2 years is reduced by ~$600k (if more cap space is needed in 2020-2021, maybe the cap goes up or maybe the Oilers don’t re-sign / move other players next off-season).I could be totally wrong, but I’d rather take a chance on Sekera remaining a smart puck-moving professional, as opposed to hoping for Kris Russell to suddenly be able to positively drive the 2nd pairing.

    Circling back to my point, if Sekera flourishes in Dallas, I’ll likely be joined by a loud chorus, disappointed by Holland’s first major move.

    I believe that Holland is still hopeful of a deal moving Russel with retaining some salary. There may also be the thought that Russel is the better insurance for both right or left second pairing D than Sekera. It could be as simple as they were unwilling to risk Sekera getting injured again. There are a multitude of possibilities. I am of the belief that for the benefit of the team moving forward we need to see what we have in our young D before they lose their waver exempt status. Which of Jones, Lagesson and Bear should be kept and if we move one or more of these players what should be the return. As it stands I don’t believe we have enough information to make this decision.

  161. Bulging Twine says:

    I’m having trouble finding primary points/60
    help?

  162. Bulging Twine says:

    Bulging Twine:
    I’m having trouble finding primary points/60
    help?

    ah think i’ve found it, corsicahockey.com

  163. OmJo says:

    Jethro Tull: Kawhi, both hero and villain. If he’d made his decision earlier, Toronto could have chased someone else…..

    Leaves a bittersweet feeling in your mouth. Though admittedly him trying to screw the Lakers out of AD was hilarious.

  164. Hairbag says:

    I believe the search for another top six forward is the number 1 goal for Holland right now. 3C can be filled (although maybe not ideally) by a number of candidates already on the roster. I think the Sekera buyout was to give flexibility in the event that a trade with one of the cap strapped teams might be consummated and the Oilers would have the ability to take on more salary than goes the other way. Getting someone like Ehlers from Winnipeg while sending back a lower salary with a prospect and a pick seems like a possibility……….likely other teams that could benefit from some cap relief as well. Game of possum to get the best deal…….Holland has mentioned that he sees the trade route as the only remaining possibility.

  165. Bulging Twine says:

    Primary points per 60:

    Dzingel 1.59
    Lindberg 1.59
    Vanek 1.44
    Currie 1.32 (21 gp)
    RNH 1.14
    Khaira 1.11
    Granlund .89
    Eriksson .86
    Lucic .84
    Maroon .81
    Paajarvi .61
    Puljujarvi .57
    Brodziak .53

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB: Is a 40-50 point Taylor Hall at 35 more value at 10.5 mill (complete speculation on the $, I have no idea) than a 31 year old, 6 million dollar, 20 point Milan Lucic?

    May I ask what in the world the current awful contract has to do with committing to another long term contract that has huge risk of under-performance for a large portion of it.

    We should sign a contract with a material risk that may very well turn bad because we’ve already been dealing with a worse one?

    That sound like a terrible rational, at least in my opinion.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: Leaves a bittersweet feeling in your mouth. Though admittedly him trying to screw the Lakers out of AD was hilarious.

    It shouldn’t leave any sort of bad taste in the mouth though – Leonard waiting made zero difference to the Raptors’ ability to sign other free agents – they had the ability to sign internal free agents but not external due to the way the cap works in the NBA – they are over the cap and had zero money for anyone non-Raptor.

  168. ArmchairGM says:

    After having watched St Louis steamroll through the playoffs I’m more interested in Kreider as an acquisition target than Hall. We need more of that player type IMO. He’d likely work well with either McDavid or Nugent-Hopkins, making “pairs” an easy task for Tippett.

    He’d be cheaper to acquire and extend, too – and might be willing to sign a 5 year deal whereas Hall will want 7. NYR needs cap space and is rebuilding so they’d be willing to take a pick/prospect/young player combo.

  169. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: It shouldn’t leave any sort of bad taste in the mouth though – Leonard waiting made zero difference to the Raptors’ ability to sign other free agents – they had the ability to sign internal free agents but not external due to the way the cap works in the NBA – they are over the cap and had zero money for anyone non-Raptor.

    I get that.

    I mean him leaving while pretending he was even considering the Raptors as an option and using them as leverage against the Clippers.

  170. BONE207 says:

    Jethro Tull: Sorry, sarcasm detector broken. You can detect tone through written word?

    Sure can…wait…maybe it was my Richter scale I looked at. Anyway it reads like a DeathMarch post.

  171. deardylan says:

    Only Hall im worried about is CMD raising the cup on his way to the Hall.

  172. texmex says:

    deardylan,

    Speaking of CMD, apparently he’s started skating last week! That’s good news

  173. GMB3 says:

    Jethro Tull: So your premise is not to have too many good players because everyone knows good players have ego problems?

    I was being facetious. I don’t think anyone was too upset about having coffey, Messier, Kurri, Anderson, and Gretz

  174. OmJo says:

    GMB3: I was being facetious. I don’t think anyone was too upset about having coffey, Messier, Kurri, Anderson, and Gretz

    IIRC, one of the narratives justifying the Hall trade was that it was needed to give McDavid the team lol

  175. who says:

    Jordan:
    The only NHL calibre asset the OIlers have with the term and value to trade straight up for 1 year of Hart trophy Hall outside of the untouchables right now is Klefbom.I’m not convinced trading Kelfbom for Hall without having negotiated a contract extension is worthwhile, and i expect if he would sign a contract extension while in Jersey, he wouldn’t be traded anyways.

    As such, I would be quite surprised if it happened.

    However, I’d consider it.I bet Shero would too, it he hasn’t signed an extension.

    If it takes Klefbom to get Hall, why not just trade him to Winnipeg for 6 years of Ehler at 6 million.
    Pretty good chance that Ehlers next 6 years are better than Halls as well.
    Hall is not the right target. But there are still so many broken hearts from the trade, that people just can’t move on.
    .

  176. Reja says:

    Jethro Tull: Yeah, I bet the Tampa Bay locker room is just pure poison.

    Too soft. As the great Bill Murray once said That’s a fact jack.

  177. Reja says:

    GMB3: I know like minimum 4 different people have explained this to you over the past week, but I’ll give it another shot.

    Many fans were hoping the Oilers would sign a a more material player, with a history of being a top 6 player, in an effort to improve our forwards, specifically adding a player who can help the second line. Alex Chiasson is not this player.

    Signing Chiasson essentially means we have not found a way to improve our second line from last season. “Running in place” some would say. After the Sekera buyout, the hope was the extra cap space was going to be used to find this player.

    I would of been okay with making a play for Lehner/Mrazek/goalie

    Holland’s tinkered with the bottom six, but signing Chiasson limits what we can do to find a top 6 guy.

    If the over under is 14 goals I don’t care how he gets them, which line he is on, what his save pct is. chase at 2.2 mil is a save bet and he should be rewarded for his fantastic season last year. If he scores 20 plus will you become a Believer and join the Chase fan club with me and 19 other fine hockey knowledgeable folks. The time is now get in on the ground floor before he starts surprising people with his early season heater under The Main Man Tippett.

  178. Pescador says:

    Old Timer:
    All those who are dreaming of Hall returning to he Oilers, please give it a rest.

    I honestly don’t see the locker room havinga healthy vibe with McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse and Hall thrown into the mix. This is McDavid,s team. He has earned it and he is their leader. Don’t screw it up with the return of Hall. He is a prima donna.

    Screw what up?
    The winning culture that is currently in place?
    People like to argue that the Oilers didn’t win with Taylor Hall,
    How are things going with Adam Larsson so far?
    That being said I don’t have any time for Taylor Hall return to Edmonton proposals, they are just so far fetched and it makes little to no sense for the Oilers cap structure.

  179. Reja says:

    texmex:
    deardylan,

    Speaking of CMD, apparently he’s started skating last week! That’s good news

    On one leg are two still pissed there was no reply they should of stepped up and tuned sneaky Gio in. Lost a bit of respect for Kass and nurse and even Leon but nothing but Crickets it was embarrassing and they know it.

  180. Bulging Twine says:

    JT Miller only .89 primary pts/60 that’s bad for a first round pick trade
    a lot of second assists

  181. Drew says:

    Old Timer:
    All those who are dreaming of Hall returning to he Oilers, please give it a rest.

    I honestly don’t see the locker room havinga healthy vibe with McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse and Hall thrown into the mix. This is McDavid,s team. He has earned it and he is their leader. Don’t screw it up with the return of Hall. He is a prima donna.

    professional hockey people inside the organization and others were stunned at the trade.

  182. HT Joe says:

    pts2pndr: I believe that Holland is still hopeful of a deal moving Russel with retaining some salary.

    I overlooked this scenario… I’m hopeful.

    pts2pndr: I am of the belief that for the benefit of the team moving forward we need to see what we have in our young D before they lose their waver exempt status. Which of Jones, Lagesson and Bear should be kept and if we move one or more of these players what should be the return. As it stands I don’t believe we have enough information to make this decision.

    Very good point. I’m going to try to keep that in mind. Thank you.

  183. YKOil says:

    ArmchairGM:
    After having watched St Louis steamroll through the playoffs I’m more interested in Kreider as an acquisition target than Hall. We need more of that player type IMO. He’d likely work well with either McDavid or Nugent-Hopkins, making “pairs” an easy task for Tippett.

    He’d be cheaper to acquire and extend, too – and might be willing to sign a 5 year deal whereas Hall will want 7. NYR needs cap space and is rebuilding so they’d be willing to take a pick/prospect/young player combo.

    A signed Kreider, 5 years, would be a good pick-up.

    FTR, Hall gets no more than $9.5m; injury history will hurt him.

  184. ArmchairGM says:

    YKOil: A signed Kreider, 5 years, would be a good pick-up

    Namestnikov is also available in NY and he’d even cheaper to acquire than Kreider.

  185. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: If it takes Klefbom to get Hall, why not just trade him to Winnipeg for 6 years of Ehler at 6 million.
    Pretty good chance that Ehlers next 6 years are better than Halls as well.
    Hall is not the right target. But there are still so many broken hearts from the trade, that people just can’t move on.
    .

    I agree that Hall is not the right target – it has zero to do with his history as an Oiler, to me, that means nothing – it simply has to do with contract status, age (and relating injury and decline potential) and future contract.

    I would love Hall for next year at $6M but the Oilers aren’t in a position to give up the required futures in order to acquire one year of Hall. Assuming healthy, Hall will be an elite player for a few more years but the next contract will run from 29-36/37 and is going to be $11M plus. I am generally against paying players for their declining 30s (even if there are a few high end years in there) and I do believe there is additional risk with Taylor given injury history and recurring risk.

  186. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Namestnikov is also available in NY and he’d even cheaper to acquire than Kreider.

    Strome would be a solid pick-up for 3C and top 6 RW cover – solid cap hit point.

    Of course, that’s not going to happen.

  187. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: What to do when Connor McDavid rests: The Oilers’ ideal No. 2 line for 2019-20

    https://theathletic.com/1054001/2019/07/08/what-to-do-when-connor-mcdavid-rests-the-oilers-ideal-no-2-line-for-2019-20/

  188. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    New for The Athletic: What to do when Connor McDavid rests: The Oilers’ ideal No. 2 line for 2019-20

    https://theathletic.com/1054001/2019/07/08/what-to-do-when-connor-mcdavid-rests-the-oilers-ideal-no-2-line-for-2019-20/

    Man, that is bleak.

    If Holland can bring in a real 3C the third line could split the heavy lifting.

    Granlund-Boyle-Chiasson or the like could likely hold their own allowing some more air for Benson and/or Gagner on a second line that might score a little more.

    I’m generally optimistic, but Lucic-RNH-Nygard as an ‘ideal’ 2nd line with the current roster makes that difficult (not that I disagree, just wow).

  189. Pouzar says:

    who: Pretty good chance that Ehlers next 6 years are better than Halls as well.

    A lot of Jets fans I know out here, even adjusting for contracts, have him a distant 3rd behind Laine and Connor. I think they are nuts.

  190. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Strome would be a solid pick-up for 3C and top 6 RW cover – solid cap hit point.

    Of course, that’s not going to happen.

    Strome was meh when here so I can’t get excited about bringing him back even though we do need a 3C. I’d do something with Winnipeg around Lowry for Russell and then go after Kreider using JP + pick/prospect.

  191. Professor Q says:

    Pouzar: A lot of Jets fans I know out here, even adjusting for contracts, have him a distant 3rd behind Laine and Connor. I think they are nuts.

    Yes, my brother, who is a huge Jets fan, absolutely despises Ehlers. It’s similar to Leafs fans despising Gardiner.

    I believe the sentiment was similar to seeing him as a rich, entitled, Danish wussy player (we’re Danish too, so it wasn’t xenophobic).

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