Persson of Interest

There’s one giant helluva lot we don’t know about the 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers, but the depth chart at right defense is going to see a large increase in population. Evan Bouchard will turn pro fall 2019, and as of yesterday, the club secured late blooming Joel Persson to an NHL contract. Added to Adam Larsson, Matt Benning and Ethan Bear, Bouchard and Persson represent the “ridiculous” end of the famous sublime phrase. Who plays in Edmonton next year? Bakersfield? Let’s have a look.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton brought it yesterday, there’s a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. Outstanding offer is here.

  • New Lowetide: Finding a path to the playoffs may involve reckless use of future assets by the Oilers
  • New Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL free agency period
  • Tyler Dellow: A deeper look at Connor McDavid and the Oilers’ 5-on-5 offensive changes under Ken Hitchcock
  • Corey Pronman: 2019 NHL Draft midseason rankings
  • Jonathan Willis: An Oilers blueprint for the 2019 NHL trade deadline.
  • Lowetide: Edmonton’s 2019 entry draft plans may change with new GM but needs are clear
  • Lowetide: Caleb Jones has impressive first showing in the NHL with Oilers.
  • Tyler Dellow: Four questions that the Oilers should be asking candidates for the GM job
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: New Oilers caretaker Keith Gretzky caught between earning playoff berth and keeping future assets
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Goalless Tobias Rieder hopes to follow Zack Kassian and Milan Lucic and end his offensive funk.
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects, Winter 2018

JOEL PERSSON

He’s an interesting player. A year ago, much of the credit for his season was placed on his impressive team (including Vancouver Canucks winger Elias Pettersson). This season, Persson offense remains strong and he’s getting all kinds of credit for the offensive output.

  • 2017-18: 51, 6-28-34 (.667) 94 shots, 17:06
  • 2018-19: 37, 4-19-23 (.621) 119 shots, 19:22

Some encouraging numbers in year two, including an increase in playing time and shots on goal. I ranked him No. 9 in my winter top 20, quoting radio color man Mike Zanier (former Oiler!): “6-foot-1, he is pretty quick, quicker than last year, sees the ice well, makes good passes and runs the power play well. He has a good shot when he uses it. I see no problem for him being able to jump in and compete for a job.”

EVAN BOUCHARD

Bouchard did some impressive things in training camp and early in the regular season with the Oilers. He scored his first goal, had a Corsi 5-on-5 percentage of 54 percent (in just a small sample, 71 minutes) and impressed the hell out of me with outlet passes.

  • 2017-18 OHL: 67, 25-62-87 (1.30) 4.43 shots-per-game, 76-65 5-on-5 GD
  • 2018-19 OHL: 23, 8-21-29 (1.26) 4.04 shots-per-game, 31-11 5-on-5 GD

Bouchard is running in place but it’s a damned nice place. He should win the race among this trio without a throw based on draft pedigree. If Edmonton sends Bouchard to Bakersfield it will be due to defensive reads, urgency of recovery and foot speed. Oilers fans should be hoping for major improvement in these areas. Notice the 5-on-5 goal differential.

ETHAN BEAR

Bear and Persson have some things in common (no draft pedigree, can pass well) and should by all rights trail Bouchard by some distance beginning this fall (and continuing from there). Bear has some NHL experience, but hasn’t been able to get back to Edmonton this year after starting the campaign (but not playing) in the show.

  • 2017-18 AHL: 37, 6-12-18 (.486) 1.49 shots-per-game 17-25 5-on-5 GD
  • 2018-19 AHL: 37, 2-17-19 (.514) 1.62 shots-per-game 30-23 5-on-5 GD

That’s a nice recovery in 5-on-5 goal differential year over year. At this point in his development, you’d like Bear to be pushing for an NHL job. He was injured early in the season but his most recent performances (2-8-10 in his past 12 games) suggest he may be rounding into form.

Chiarelli would have been looking at forwards. That’s not a long list. Chicago isn’t going to trade Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane or Alex DeBrincat. Still, EF used the word “big”

  • L Brandon Saad. He has 15 goals and costs $6 million times two years after this one.
  • C Dylan Strome. He’s playing well in Chicago, so unlikely. However, he’s an offensive talent.

OFFLOADING TALENT

The deadline should be a time for Keith Gretzky to trade away some of his talent, smoothing the way for summer acquisitions. I know fans want Brandon Manning and Ryan Spooner dealt, but there are some players with more value who could be sent away in the next few weeks.

  • R Zack Kassian. I like this player a lot, but at $1.95 million he’s a player the Oilers can offload and replace for about $1 million less.
  • L Tobias Rieder. He’s RFA at the end of the year, and honestly I’d like to see him back. That said, if the value is there, Edmonton needs to consider.
  • RD Alex Petrovic. I think the Oilers have too many blue and Petrovic will have value.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

It’s Bell Let’s Talk day, so we’ll bring you a monster show with a lot of positive thoughts about mental health. I wish we knew in 1975 what we know now, but better late than never. Scheduled to appear:

  • Nick Dika, The Arkells. The band is in town this week, we’ll chat about rock and roll and the Blue Jays.
  • Scott Cullen, The Athletic. Scott has been very open about depression and the impact of events on it. He also talks about building your way back to a better place.
  • Jon Campbell, OddsShark. Super Bowl betting! They bet on everything!
  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Oilers on bye week, will they make a move?
  • Jeremy Cummins, Yegtalks. He started Yegtalks after having his own struggle with Mental Health and has given back much to the community.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve been posting for a while that, starting next season, the organization should reap the rewards of better drafting outside the top 10 and development. There is a large swath of prospects that have been developing and are on the cusp of maybe being NHL ready. I believe each of the following have legit shots to prove they are ready for the NHL in some capacity:

    – Benson, Marody

    – Lagesson, Jones

    – Bear, Bouchard, Persson, Berglund

    Berglund is probably the outlier.

    Our left side depth chart is pretty deep: Klefbom, Nurse, Sekera, Russell, Manning.

    Two wild cards: (a) the likelihood that, for one more season, Russell will have to spend material time at 2RD and (b) Sekera’s effectiveness – I remain hopeful that he is a legit 2nd pairing option but I don’t imagine he wouldn’t be effective on the 3rd pairing if need be.

    Hopefully Manning is disposed of with no penalty or, if needed, in the AHL at cap savings of $1,075,000 (we’d have a cap hit of apx $1.1M) – he could replace Stanton as a “veteran presence” with Lowe and provide good NHL injury cover.

    On the right side, we still have Larsson, Benning, Petrovic (UFA).

    Of course, Russell is likely slotted in at 2RD but there should be competition for that 3RD spot and each of those kids has a legit shot at it. Jones as well as he seems somewhat proficient on his off-side.

    I think Joel Persson, given age and skill set, is the likely front-runner but there should be a great competition at camp.

    They have a wonderful opportunity to allow their top prospect, Ethan Bear, the opportunity to be slow-played and “over-ripen” – they really do – will they take it?

  2. flyfish1168 says:

    Missing our team play. Be interesting to see what KG can accomplish between now and trade deadline. OP looking forward to your posts

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    While Persson’s PPG is down a bit from last year, lets not forget that Vaxjo was an absolute powerhouse last year, steam-rolling the competition (led by Elias Petersson).

    They are a much weaker team this year and the percentage of the team’s goals that have Persson in on them has increased from 20% to 27% (credit COH article yesterday).

    Swedish Poster has mentioned he will be in the d-man of the year conversation.

    This does not necessarily translate to NHL success but it must might.

    Noone has dreams at this point of him being the 2RD next year but there is a chance he can play some 3rd pairing minutes and maybe, just maybe, excell on the PP – he’s got a great shot.

  4. fistycuff says:

    Shed salary, find cap space. Is there any announcements with regards to how much the cap will increase this year? Will the increase in cap help, or have we already spent It? Are there any updates on Sekera’s health? I am curious if Sekera will ever play again…can we force retirement and gain his 5.5 M cap?

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    On Bouchard:

    That is a nice Corsi, however, lets not forget that he played extremely sheltered minutes at 5 on 5 so there is a QOC factor. If I recall, yes, he made nice outlet passes when he had time and space but struggled when pressured, generally, and was giving up a few high danger scoring chances per game that were outweighing his positives.

    No worries, he was a newly drafted teenager and, at camp this year, he’ll have an extra year of development.

    “Bouchard is running in place but it’s a damned nice place. He should win the race among this trio without a throw based on draft pedigree. If Edmonton sends Bouchard to Bakersfield it will be due to defensive reads, urgency of recovery and foot speed. Oilers fans should be hoping for major improvement in these areas. Notice the 5-on-5 goal differential.”

    There is my fear – winning the race based on draft pedigree. Our CEO was very express one week ago that this organization has rushed its top prospects and has brought them to the NHL too quickly. He was express that the organization needs to shift in that regard and over-ripen the top prospects in the minors.

    Given that statement, how can Evan Bouchard break camp with the team given the other options that will likely prove to be just as ready or pretty darn close? Maybe Bouchard outperforms Persson and Bear by a bit, however, at the end of the day, Bouchard’s development is so much more important to this team’s success in the future than Bear or Persson that I would think they HAVE to send him to the AHL – slow-play him, let him over-ripen, etc.

    Will it happen?

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bear indeed had a tough start to the season – the late assignment then a few injuries leading him to be in and out of the lineup.

    Jones’ early success decreased Bear’s opportunities as well as Jones was the clear PP1 guy by the time Bear was even assigned to Bakersfield and, for a good part of the year, Bear was on PP2 and even splitting PP2 time with Logan Day.

    Bear has started to gain traction over the last month or so and is playing solid hockey. He’s producing at near a PPG over the last 10. I still worry about his mobility retrieving pucks and defending but he’s not killing it at the AHL level.

    He’ll be in the conversation with Bouchard and Persson next year (and Jones if they see him as a right side option).

  7. BONE207 says:

    Imagine if Sekera was healthy to start at 2D nrxt season with Nurse & Russell with Persson. Would that work? That Slovak & his legs impact so much. Would like the same kind of transparency as when Marilyn stepped on the vent grate.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dress_of_Marilyn_Monroe

  8. godot10 says:

    Brandon Saad for Zack Kassian, Ryan Spooner, and Matt Benning

    Would you do it?

    2.5 years of Saad for 1.5 years of Kassian, Spooner, and Benning

    Chicago gains a bunch of cap room in the summer of 2020.

  9. frjohnk says:

    Any comparables in the last few years to Persson coming over as a late bloomer and actually making the transition to the NHL?

    I have this feeling he is in the Philip Larsen mold.

  10. dustrock says:

    The other thing on Bouchard – NHL reads are hard. The players are faster, smarter, stronger and more skilled.

    You’ll no doubt recall Nurse’s dominant defensive performance in the WJHC. And yet he is still growing as a defenceman and has trouble with his reads from time to time.

    Could he play bottom pairing minutes next year? I’m sure he could. Would it be better for him to play top pairing in Bakersfield? I think there’s a compelling argument there.

  11. godot10 says:

    Bouchard should play 40 games to start the season in Bakersfield. That should be written in stone. Don’t waste his first full pro season starting it in Edmonton. Do it right.

    After 40 games, one can then have a conversation about where the best place is for him.

    This Puljujarvi-Yamamoto BS development has to stop.

  12. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I believe each of the following have legit shots to prove they are ready for the NHL in some capacity:

    – Benson, Marody

    – Lagesson, Jones

    – Bear, Bouchard, Persson, Berglund

    On the right side, we still have Larsson, Benning, Petrovic (UFA).

    Of course, Russell is likely slotted in at 2RD

    – Benson and Marody are at best 9-12 forwards next year: with the advantage of being cheap, but not really impact above replacement value, would be a reasonable projection

    – On paper the D prospects are encouraging, but none slot above Russell at the start of next year.

    – If all of Sek, Larsson, Nurse Klef are healthy next year, maybe you could get away with some combination of them on bottom-pair, or Jutlz usage in Ptits (3rd pair + PP)

    – The potential marinade of D is certainly the most encouraging I can recall from the Oil organization: and if/when some are ready it will be a real boon

    – “Ready in some capacity” being your key observation, none should be “slotted as difference makers next year”

    *and that folks is the challenge: while waiting if/when OP’s guys (plus Pool and Kailer) he’s identified are ready, the Gravel’s Bennings, Petro’s, Cave’s Chiasson, Rattie’s, Reiders: getting more out of these type of guys who have failed elsewhere that come here: they need to find better ones of these: which is a really tough thing to do…

  13. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    They’re gonna need to cull the herd on the back end between now and October if they think that these young guys are going to be NHL ready. Even with Sekera being a question mark, there’s still too many bodies. AHL top 4 of Jones, Bear, Persson and Bouchard would look really good to start the season in Bakersfield though, and really wouldn’t hurt their development. Problem is, we have other D prospects that need to play too. Some bodies need to be cleared out before next year.

  14. Bag of Pucks says:

    Why in Gord’s name would you want to bring back Reider?

    Regression is a thing yes, but if you come to my house, eat all my groceries, drink all my liquor, and wipe your ass with the fancy towels, there’s not going to be another invitation forthcoming.

    This signing has yielded 0 ROI. Sometimes you just have to accept when something is a bad fit.

  15. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10:
    Brandon Saad for Zack Kassian, Ryan Spooner, and Matt Benning

    Would you do it?

    2.5 years of Saad for 1.5 years of Kassian, Spooner, and Benning

    Chicago gains a bunch of cap room in the summer of 2020.

    Best player wins the trade, so yes.

  16. PinkSocks says:

    godot10:
    Brandon Saad for Zack Kassian, Ryan Spooner, and Matt Benning

    Would you do it?

    2.5 years of Saad for 1.5 years of Kassian, Spooner, and Benning

    Chicago gains a bunch of cap room in the summer of 2020.

    Yes, I think next season Benning is redundant with Bear/Bouchard/Persson likely in the 3RD role; Spooner is obviously not a fit so unloading his cap is a positive. So essentially minus $900k from Benning ($1.9m replaced by $1m in Persson), and minus the $2.1m is buried Spooner dollars is $3m opened up; so in real money Saad costs $3m extra. And he is instantly the team’s best LW.

  17. frjohnk says:

    Bag of Pucks: Regression is a thing yes, but if you come to my house, eat all my groceries, drink all my liquor, and wipe your ass with the fancy towels, there’s not going to be another invitation forthcoming.

    Ha ha. Yup

  18. PinkSocks says:

    frjohnk:
    Any comparables in the last few years to Persson coming over as a late bloomer and actually making the transition to the NHL?

    I have this feeling he is in the Philip Larsen mold.

    Lawrence Pilut I’d say is the best comparison for Persson. Big SEL numbers and then proceeded to tear the cover off in the AHL before a Sabres recall. I’ve only watched him once, but numbers suggest he is playing quite well.

  19. Alpine says:

    godot10:
    Brandon Saad for Zack Kassian, Ryan Spooner, and Matt Benning

    Would you do it?

    2.5 years of Saad for 1.5 years of Kassian, Spooner, and Benning

    Chicago gains a bunch of cap room in the summer of 2020.

    I do it for sure, but is it that much of a priority for Chicago to shed cap next year? They can’t think they’re gonna be contenders again soon unless they get some lottery luck.

  20. trencan says:

    frjohnk:
    Any comparables in the last few years to Persson coming over as a late bloomer and actually making the transition to the NHL?

    I have this feeling he is in the Philip Larsen mold.

    Ľubo Visnovsky???

  21. jtblack says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    “but if you come to my house, eat all my groceries, drink all my liquor, and wipe your ass with the fancy towels, there’s not going to be another invitation forthcoming.”

    You have Fancy towels? I will be over @ 6:00

  22. jtblack says:

    no matter what happens this year, it is looking more and more like next year will be a year with A NUMBER OF ROOKIES (or near rookies) on the roster. Meaning it will be tough to win next year, but should set the team up to be Good going forward.

    Possible Roster players in 2019 / 2020.

    Bouchard
    Persson
    Benson
    Yamamoto
    JP
    Maybe 1 or 2 more …

    That’s a lot of youth coming in all at once ….

  23. Buddy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    On Bouchard:

    There is my fear – winning the race based on draft pedigree. Our CEO was very express one week ago that this organization has rushed its top prospects and has brought them to the NHL too quickly. He was express that the organization needs to shift in that regard and over-ripen the top prospects in the minors.

    Given that statement, how can Evan Bouchard break camp with the team given the other options that will likely prove to be just as ready or pretty darn close?Maybe Bouchard outperforms Persson and Bear by a bit, however, at the end of the day, Bouchard’s development is so much more important to this team’s success in the future than Bear or Persson that I would think they HAVE to send him to the AHL – slow-play him, let him over-ripen, etc.

    Will it happen?

    Our CEO also claimed to be doing a forensic audit four years ago on what was wrong with the organization’s practices and how to improve them. On top of which anyone could have told him their development model was nuts. Yet apparently he still needed to see with his own eyes Nurse, Puljujarvi and Yamamoto get oilered before he figured that one out for himself.

    And as for the future, I guess we’ll have to wait and see if they change the filters on the water coolers.

  24. geowal says:

    Any scuttlebutt on Klefbom for Saturday?

  25. McNuge93 says:

    trencan: Ľubo Visnovsky???

    Johan Auvitu??

  26. Bank Shot says:

    Damn. Just read about the potential Mcdonagh for the 4th (Puljujarvi) trade that Chiarelli reportedly passed on.

    That would have changed everything. Man that would have been sweet.

    Ironically if Chiarelli would have kept Hall, signed Demers, and traded for Raanta which were popular ideas here, the Oilers would likely be about equally screwed this season as they already are.

    I guess its the Oilers fate to always suck. They sure don’t seem interested in making any changes to the old boys structure.

  27. YKOil says:

    godot10:
    Brandon Saad for Zack Kassian, Ryan Spooner, and Matt Benning

    Would you do it?

    2.5 years of Saad for 1.5 years of Kassian, Spooner, and Benning. Chicago gains a bunch of cap room in the summer of 2020.

    I do, Chicago doesn’t. Were I Chicago I recognize that Cap space in nice but good players is better and if I am to get good players I need futures. Chicago doesn’t do that deal unless:

    – a 2nd round pick (2019) is thrown in or
    – a 3rd round pick (2020) and Yamamoto

    and/or Petrovic is flipped in for Benning (free Cap space comes earlier and it’s a matter of taste in regards to the player).

    Also, for roster purposes, Chicagoi has to throw in some combination of long-shot and far-away and washed-up prospects x3

    Saad, long-shot and far-away and washed-up prospects x3
    FOR
    3rd rounder 2019, Yamamoto, Kassian, Spooner and Petrovic

    Would still probably do this if Edmonton just because Saad is bonafide and has established, affordable, term left.

    Still not sure Chicago would. Saad is a really good trade chip – is a 3rd and Yamamoto enough?

  28. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Hitch announced to the Order of Hockey in Canada today, per Tyler and LT on The Lowdown.

  29. Oilman99 says:

    YKOil: I do, Chicago doesn’t.Were I Chicago I recognize that Cap space in nice but good players is better and if I am to get good players I need futures.Chicago doesn’t do that deal unless:

    – a 2nd round pick (2019) is thrown in or
    – a 3rd round pick (2020) and Yamamoto

    and/or Petrovic is flipped in for Benning (free Cap space comes earlier and it’s a matter of taste in regards to the player).

    Also, for roster purposes, Chicagoi has to throw in some combination of long-shot and far-away and washed-up prospects x3

    Saad, long-shot and far-away and washed-up prospects x3
    FOR
    3rd rounder 2019, Yamamoto, Kassian, Spooner and Petrovic

    Would still probably do this if Edmonton just because Saad is bonafide and has established, affordable, term left.

    Still not sure Chicago would.Saad is a really good trade chip – is a 3rd and Yamamoto enough?

    Chicago went to the trouble of regaining Saad, there is no way they are interested in dealing him. Yamamoto’s value is over rated by Oiler fans, it is iffy that he even becomes an nhl regular, he has shown he is no Johnnie Hockey.

  30. Dicky94 says:

    Oilman99,

    I agree. Oilers were probably looking at Anisimov to play centre on the 3rd line.

  31. Alpine says:

    Oilman99: Chicago went to the trouble of regaining Saad, there is no way they are interested in dealing him. Yamamoto’s value is over rated by Oiler fans, it is iffy that he even becomes an nhl regular, he has shown he is no Johnnie Hockey.

    He was drafted like 18 months ago lol. There’s a middle ground between iffy nhl regular and Johnny Gaudreau.

  32. HT Joe says:

    Just checked TSN… https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/deadline-war-room-leafs-priority-adding-a-heavy-forward~1596670

    Boy have the Oilers got a heavy forward, and better still, he’s signed for 4 more years. Come on Oilers Collective GM – free up $6M of cap space!!

  33. McSorley33 says:

    godot10,

    Bouchard should play 40 games to start the season in Bakersfield. That should be written in stone. Don’t waste his first full pro season starting it in Edmonton. Do it right.

    After 40 games, one can then have a conversation about where the best place is for him.

    This Puljujarvi-Yamamoto BS development has to stop.
    *******************************************************************************************
    How about we make it a hard and fast rule. All prospects should expect *2 full years* in the
    AHL to ‘over-ripen’ ….*only* if a prospect is tearing the cover off the ball in minor pro hockey
    will a call up even be considered.

    Takes the pressure off the 1st rounders as well.

  34. HT Joe says:

    Oilman99: no Johnnie Hockey

    Not picking on you specifically Oilman. It kills me the ego of Calgary Flames fans, that they anoint a very good (but not generational talent) like Gadreau as “Johnny Hockey”. There has only ever been 1 Mr. Hockey, and it’s not that fella in Calgary. *spits*

  35. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Oilman99,

    Johnny G. was still in the NCAA at this point in his post-draft timeline. He took until his draft+4 to make the NHL full time; Yamamoto is draft+2.

    Not a direct comparable, thus a poor measuring stick to use in trying to label Yamamoto a bust. Premature at best.

  36. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    HT Joe,

    Actually, that was his nickname from the NCAA. He trademarked it shortly after arriving in the NHL to retain the marketing rights.

  37. Oddspell says:

    godot10:
    Brandon Saad for Zack Kassian, Ryan Spooner, and Matt Benning

    Would you do it?

    2.5 years of Saad for 1.5 years of Kassian, Spooner, and Benning

    Chicago gains a bunch of cap room in the summer of 2020.

    Saad on pace for 25 goals this year at around his career sh%.

    100% I do, but I think the Blackhawks can get better value for Saad than that. They might need to free up some room for summer 2020, but they’re not so desperate that I think they’ll sell for pennies on the dollar.

  38. McSorley33 says:

    When people are getting down on Jesse Puljujarivi ( age 20) and Kailer Yamamoto ( age 20)
    this is exactly why many hockey people believe it is *cruel* to “develop” teenagers in the
    best hockey league in the world.

    People/fans see the prospects – not fully physically developed even – falter in any way
    and they get negative or down on the prospects.

    Edmonton has harmed the development of Jesse and Kailer.

    They should be lighting up the AHL on a winning team with Marody and Benson.

    Stop harming our prospects.

  39. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    LT saying Sekera is bound for Bakersfield for his conditioning stint, and the Oilers may run a 22 man roster with an aim to clear enough cap space.

  40. Oil2Oilers says:

    Persson and Bouchard offer hope that one day we may see some passing ability on the Right side of the defense. But, for next year it seems a risky bet. Persson at minimum, if he makes it, should have 20 games in the AHL. Bouchard at minimum, if he makes it, should have a full season in the AHL.

    To allow for this a Russell for Pysyk trade this summer would help. Pysyk and Russell are similar players in many regards but Pysyk has the following advantages; Right handed, cheaper, less year’s remaining on his contract, and younger.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    Joe G. named AHL player of the week with 6 points in 4 games including two game winners.

    Not to mention, an appearance at the AHL all-star game this week.

  42. Dicky94 says:

    HT Joe,

    I wish. I could see them wanting Kassian. Give Kassian and Talbot for Brown and a 3rd.

  43. DasBavaria says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    I thought he tried to trademark, but was denied or something?

  44. Darth Tu says:

    Sometimes my mind boggles at our fanbase… We are all quick to say that the Oilers talent development method – sticking players in their draft +1 year right into the lineup – is flawed and harmful to the players, and patience must be preached. Then on the other hand we will then jump to label 20-21 year olds busts because they’re not having an immediate impact in the NHL.

    Jesse and Kailer are both still material prospects, the problem is not with the players, it’s with the rushing them to the NHL before they are ready. That said, I feel like Jesse is now at the stage where he should continue to develop in the big league. For Kailer, keep him in the AHL for the rest of year and see what we have by the time camp rolls around.

  45. SwedishPoster says:

    Joel Persson is a lot of things but 6’1 he ain’t. He’s listed 181 cm, 5’11, on the Lakers homepage which is probably correct. If anything it’s a bit generous I’d say. Don’t know where Zanier got that info from.

    Both Oilers played last night Persson added another point when his team dropped a 2-1 lead late and lost in OT 2-3.

    Berglund had no points but was back playing a smidge over 20 minutes after a couple of games playing 3rd pair minutes, second in toi 3 secs less than the guy who lead the team, when his team dropped a 2-1 lead late and lost in OT 2-3.

    No not a typo.

    I didn’t catch any of the games but the jump back up in ice time is a nice sign from Berglund, maybe he’s started to dig himself out of his little slump.

  46. JimmyV1965 says:

    Finding ice time for our dmen prospects in the AHL will be a real issue next year. Not sure how they can accommodate them all. Maybe Berglund should spend another year in Europe. Maybe Samaroukov should start in the ECHL. Might have to trade one of them as well.

  47. DasBavaria says:

    From Friedman’s 31 Thoughts:

    “Andrej Sekera is getting close to a conditioning stint. Edmonton is going to have to clear some cap room.”

  48. texmex says:

    DasBavaria:
    From Friedman’s 31 Thoughts:

    “Andrej Sekera is getting close to a conditioning stint. Edmonton is going to have to clear some cap room.”

    I believe they need to clear ~960K to activate Sekera. I’d expect Rattie and/or Cave to be placed on waivers tomorrow, if Sekera is going to play Friday for the Condors (Edit: Oilers are only carrying 12 forwards so this is not likely)

    They could bury Manning in the minors…..

  49. HT Joe says:

    DasBavaria:
    DasBavaria,

    So Johnny Hockey was successfully trademarked by Gaudreau and his agent.

    Link: https://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2016/12/12/13920482/johnny-gaudreau-trademark-johnny-hockey-nickname-manziel-calgary-flames

    Wow… what an egotistical puke. A great player but not in the same universe as Gordie Howe.

  50. Primetime says:

    HT Joe: Wow… what an egotistical puke.A great player but not in the same universe as Gordie Howe.

    Sorry, not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not, but it’s a rip off Johnny Manziel (Johnny Football), not Gordie Howe (Mr. Hockey)

  51. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    HT Joe,

    Key quote from the above article:

    “If this sounds at all like Johnny Manziel’s “Johnny Football” nickname and trademark, it should. Around the time Manziel was making runs at the Heisman Trophy for Texas A&M, Gaudreau was making runs at the Hobey Baker Award (NCAA hockey’s Heisman equivalent) as a sophomore at Boston College. Thus, the name “Johnny Hockey” was born.”

    As in… it’s more of a play on a popular NCAA nickname of the era.

    I think any correlation to Gordie “Mr. Hockey” Howe is both spurious and a reach.

    People typically don’t pick their nicknames, either. Wayne hated being dubbed “The Great One.”

  52. godot10 says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Persson and Bouchard offer hope that one day we may see some passing ability on the Right side of the defense. But, for next year it seems a risky bet. Persson at minimum, if he makes it, should have 20 games in the AHL. Bouchard at minimum, if he makes it, should have a full season in the AHL.

    To allow for this a Russell for Pysyk trade this summer would help. Pysyk and Russell are similar players in many regards but Pysyk has the following advantages; Right handed, cheaper, less year’s remaining on his contract, and younger.

    Russell rides bulls, not alligators. I think he says no.

  53. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I sure hope he Persson tears the cover off. Vaxjo has him at 5’11 and 187. The question is less about his talent, more how he handles NHL forwards.

    It’s good to read his skating improved and he’s quick, he’ll need that, hope he has a great stick as well. Have to have that if you’re battling bigger stronger players.

    He probably needs AHL time as well to adjust to the ice.

    Edit- Swedish beat me to it on his size now. Bugger!

  54. HT Joe says:

    Primetime: Sorry, not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not, but it’s a rip off Johnny Manziel (Johnny Football), not Gordie Howe (Mr. Hockey)

    BornInAGretzkyJersey: I think any correlation to Gordie “Mr. Hockey” Howe is both spurious and a reach.
    People typically don’t pick their nicknames, either. Wayne hated being dubbed “The Great One.”

    I had assumed Flames fans were riffing off of Gordie Howe’s nickname and putting Gadreau into the same realm (in hindsight, even a stretch for my low opinion of Flames fans). My mistake… thanks for the clarification.

    BornInAGretzkyJersey: People may not typically pick their nicknames, but trademarking it indicates that he put a lot of effort into endorsing it. 🙂

  55. Jethro Tull says:

    HT Joe: Wow… what an egotistical puke.A great player but not in the same universe as Gordie Howe.

    Literally or figuratively?

  56. Andy Dufresne says:

    Blackhawks gave up Panarin to get Saad.

  57. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: Russell rides bulls, not alligators.I think he says no.

    They have bulls too. With long horns, a better challenge.

  58. Bag of Pucks says:

    jtblack:
    Bag of Pucks,

    “but if you come to my house, eat all my groceries, drink all my liquor, and wipe your ass with the fancy towels, there’s not going to be another invitation forthcoming.”

    You have Fancy towels?I will be over @ 6:00

    Got the fancy towels, the tea cozies, the potpourri, and every domestic appliance and creature comfort known to man.

    Before i met my wife, i had a tv, a chair and a bottle opener.

  59. Andy Dufresne says:

    HT Joe: Wow… what an egotistical puke.A great player but not in the same universe as Gordie Howe.

    He should trademark “Jockey Hockey”

    The TradeMarked Logo would be him riding Sean Monahan……Cowboy style…..Yeeee Haaaw!

  60. HT Joe says:

    Jethro Tull: Literally or figuratively?

    I guess literally both times? And after being educated as per the comments above, I was wrong to use such strong terms in the first sentence.
    *EDIT* Sigh.. I’m a tired idiot…

  61. HT Joe says:

    Bag of Pucks: Before i met my wife, i had a tv, a chair and a bottle opener.

    A bottle opener? That’s pretty fancy – what are eye sockets, belly buttons, and counter top edges for?

  62. HT Joe says:

    Andy Dufresne: He should trade mark “Jockey Hockey”

    I really, really like that. 😀

  63. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    HT Joe,

    Agreed… he certainly didn’t shy away from the moniker.

    And nor should he. The typical NHL career is less than 4 seasons long. He’d be foolish to turn away any legit branding opportunities for future income streams that could outlast his playing career.

  64. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Zanier on ON with Bob:

    — Proper English pronunciation of Vaxjo is “vex-juh.”

    — Told the Oilers last year that they should look into Persson as a potential player before they signed him.

  65. Sunnyboy says:

    Johnny Hockey, 4th round pick, has no AHL games. Also down the QE2, Valimaki made the phlems out of camp and had no AHL games until this weeks conditioning stint after a long injury lay-off. Two other rookiie D on their 3rd pair had extensive time in the AHL. Point being not all players are the same. Save the picks, prospects and suspects until training camp and let the battle begin.

  66. PinkSocks says:

    Jethro Tull: Literally or figuratively?

    Heh

  67. Gerta Rauss says:

    Bag of Pucks:

    Before i met my wife, i had a tv, a chair and a bottle opener.

    Well, look at Mr Fancy with his bottle opener. When I was growing up we had to drink out of a rolled up newspaper

  68. OmJo says:

    frjohnk:
    Any comparables in the last few years to Persson coming over as a late bloomer and actually making the transition to the NHL?

    I have this feeling he is in the Philip Larsen mold.

    Anton Belov? *ducks*

  69. Cassandra says:

    How is this for ludicrous.

    Mikko Koskinen

    30 yrs old
    28 GP, .910 sv%
    3 years x 4.5 M

    Casey de Smith

    27 yrs old
    28 GP, .917 sv% (previous year 14 GP, .921 sv%)
    3 years x 1.25 M

  70. Oddspell says:

    Sunnyboy:
    Johnny Hockey, 4th round pick,has no AHL games.Also down the QE2, Valimaki made the phlems out of camp and had no AHL games until this weeks conditioning stint after a long injury lay-off. Two other rookiie D on their 3rd pair had extensive time in the AHL. Point being not all players are the same. Save the picks, prospects and suspects until training camp and let the battle begin.

    Gadreau was a NCAA pick though. He almost certainly would have spent time in the AHL were he to leave college before his 4 years were up.

  71. npanciroli says:

    Cassandra,

    A final parting gift.

  72. Sunnyboy says:

    Oddspell,

    Johnny and Cooper, both 3 years NCAA, different careers.

  73. Jethro Tull says:

    HT Joe: I guess literally both times?And after being educated as per the comments above, I was wrong to use such strong terms in the first sentence.
    *EDIT* Sigh.. I’m a tired idiot…

    I couldn’t resist a little “Archerism”;-)

  74. pts2pndr says:

    godot10: Russell rides bulls, not alligators.I think he says no.

    Pysyk can’t skate at an NHL level! He also lacks Russels experience. Until such time as we have a bonafide 2nd pair RD Russel should be retained?

  75. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Joonas Donskoi
    Brett Connolly
    Pierre-Édouard Bellemare
    Brandon Tanev

    What is the consensus on signing any of these players during the off season as cheaper options to upgrade the middle- or bottom-six?

  76. PinkSocks says:

    Cassandra:
    How is this for ludicrous.

    Mikko Koskinen

    30 yrs old
    28 GP, .910 sv%
    3 years x 4.5 M

    Casey de Smith

    27 yrs old
    28 GP, .917 sv% (previous year 14 GP, .921 sv%)
    3 years x 1.25 M

    This is precisely the definition of ludicrous

  77. Zelepukin says:

    OmJo: Anton Belov? *ducks*

    lol, ya. Larsen did show a glimmer of hope from time to time. He could make some offensive looks, strong first pass and had PP potential. Problem was he played like a wet blanket, like the physicality of the NHL was eventually going to wear him down. He is still only 29 and put up 38pts in 52 games in the K last year.

  78. jp says:

    Bank Shot:
    Damn. Just read about the potential Mcdonagh for the 4th (Puljujarvi) trade that Chiarelli reportedly passed on.

    That would have changed everything. Man that would have been sweet.

    Ironically if Chiarelli would have kept Hall, signed Demers, and traded for Raanta which were popular ideas here, the Oilers would likely be about equally screwed this season as they already are.

    They might have won the cup last year though lol

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Benson and Marody are at best 9-12 forwards next year: with the advantage of being cheap, but not really impact above replacement value, would be a reasonable projection

    – On paper the D prospects are encouraging, but none slot above Russell at the start of next year.

    – If all of Sek, Larsson, Nurse Klef are healthy next year, maybe you could get away with some combination of them on bottom-pair, or Jutlz usage in Ptits (3rd pair + PP)

    – The potential marinade of D is certainly the most encouraging I can recall from the Oil organization: and if/when some are ready it will be a real boon

    – “Ready in some capacity” being your key observation, none should be “slotted as difference makers next year”

    *and that folks is the challenge: while waiting if/when OP’s guys (plus Pool and Kailer) he’s identified are ready, the Gravel’s Bennings, Petro’s, Cave’s Chiasson, Rattie’s, Reiders: getting more out of these type of guys who have failed elsewhere that come here: they need to find better ones of these: which is a really tough thing to do…

    I never said any of the forwards will be ready for top 6 or the d-men would be ready for top 4.

    My post specifically talked about them battling for the 3RD job and referenced that, unfortunately, we are likely to have Kris Russell at 2RD again next year.

    Just because they aren’t “different makers” doesn’t mean that providing minutes in the bottom pairing isn’t valuable. It doesn’t mean that having NHL ready d-men in the AHL for injury cover isn’t valuable, etc.

  80. Primetime says:

    Cassandra:
    How is this for ludicrous.

    Mikko Koskinen

    30 yrs old
    28 GP, .910 sv%
    3 years x 4.5 M

    Casey de Smith

    27 yrs old
    28 GP, .917 sv% (previous year 14 GP, .921 sv%)
    3 years x 1.25 M

    Agreed, but Mikko was negotiating as a starter…de Smith knows he is the backup to Murray. Very different bargaining position.

    Now, the fact the Oilers felt Mikko’s body of work deserved to be the starter for the next 3 years is a different story….

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    They’re gonna need to cull the herd on the back end between now and October if they think that these young guys are going to be NHL ready.Even with Sekera being a question mark, there’s still too many bodies.AHL top 4 of Jones, Bear, Persson and Bouchard would look really good to start the season in Bakersfield though, and really wouldn’t hurt their development.Problem is, we have other D prospects that need to play too.Some bodies need to be cleared out before next year.

    One of those D will likely be 3RD next season but, yes, there is the potential for a log-jam in the AHL.

    Keegan Lowe is signed – and that’s a good thing – he is a solid veteran AHL player that helps the team and the kids. It can’t be ALL kids.

    Stanton will likely not be re-signed but I think his veteran presence may be replaced by Manning if we can’t find a home for him without a penalty. I think that’s fine too, he will be another solid veteran and good injury cover. There is a log jam though and Samorukov will be on the team.

  82. Primetime says:

    Dredger on the radio talking about Burakowsky and the Canucks. I really hope we don’t miss out on some potentially useful trades because we are in GM limbo, while our direct rivals take steps to potentially get better.

    He mentioned that Washington looking for a 3rd liner in return to help? I had previously floated Reider for Burakowsky….same limited offence this year, but good penalty killer, speed…maybe helpful in playoff run? Also cheaper than Burakowsky to give them a bit of room for another move? Would be willing to add a mid round draft pick or B prospect…we need scoring wingers! And nobody scores less than Tobi!

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Why in Gord’s name would you want to bring back Reider?

    Regression is a thing yes, but if you come to my house, eat all my groceries, drink all my liquor, and wipe your ass with the fancy towels, there’s not going to be another invitation forthcoming.

    This signing has yielded 0 ROI. Sometimes you just have to accept when something is a bad fit.

    The Rieder/Drai/Chiasson provided a very nice ROI for a few weeks there when it was super hot and was helping the team win games (one of their 8-2-1 heaters). Rieder was good during that stretch and racked up some assist totals.

    Other than that, yes, he’s been disappointing, however, he is a solid penalty killer and he does help overall team speed.

    History shows he is a better player than he showed this year and I’m not sure not tendering a QO and letting him walk is a good idea (although I could argue in favor of it if I needed to). Perhaps they negotiate an extension below the $2M.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    PinkSocks: Yes, I think next season Benning is redundant with Bear/Bouchard/Persson likely in the 3RD role; Spooner is obviously not a fit so unloading his cap is a positive.So essentially minus $900k from Benning ($1.9m replaced by $1m in Persson), and minus the $2.1m is buried Spooner dollars is $3m opened up; so in real money Saad costs $3m extra.And he is instantly the team’s best LW.

    Spooner could be a fit if the coach would give him a chance.

    You know a fit to do what he has done, year over year, during his career – produce at top six rates as a complementary player on a skill line.

    Seems like that might be something this team lacks…..

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    PinkSocks: Lawrence Pilut I’d say is the best comparison for Persson.Big SEL numbers and then proceeded to tear the cover off in the AHL before a Sabres recall.I’ve only watched him once, but numbers suggest he is playing quite well.

    Was it Bruce for CoH that provided that great comparison?

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    geowal:
    Any scuttlebutt on Klefbom for Saturday?

    Team is on their mandated bye week – no news on anything.

    Not sure when its over technically, maybe tomorrow but Friday for sure we should have some verbal from the players and coaches.

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    When people are getting down on Jesse Puljujarivi ( age 20) and Kailer Yamamoto ( age 20)
    this is exactly why many hockey people believe it is *cruel* to “develop” teenagers in the
    best hockey league in the world.

    People/fans see the prospects– not fully physically developed even – falter in any way
    and they get negative or down on the prospects.

    Edmonton has harmed the development of Jesse and Kailer.

    They should be lighting up the AHL on a winning team with Marody and Benson.

    Stop harming our prospects.

    Here is hoping that Yamamoto gets the opportunity to do that for the rest of the year – it should include a run to the playoffs.

  88. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar: I never said any of the forwards will be ready for top 6 or the d-men would be ready for top 4.

    My post specifically talked about them battling for the 3RD job and referenced that, unfortunately, we are likely to have Kris Russell at 2RD again next year.

    – We agree: I was just making sure I read your take correctly.

    – Great pipeline to be sure, probably best group of prospects not in NHL that we’ve had since 1980

    – As bottom forwards, 3rd paring D’s: some of them could work next year: rinse and repeat

    – Our team has so few roster players who are draft and develop but now useful players on this team (non-1st pick): Nurse, Klef, Jar are the only 3 I can think of, and look how many seasons, it’s taken them to get to their existing levels of relative contribution.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    LT saying Sekera is bound for Bakersfield for his conditioning stint, and the Oilers may run a 22 man roster with an aim to clear enough cap space.

    When Sekera is activated and sent to the AHL on his conditioning stint, while in Bakersfield, he will count on the 23 man roster so there will only be 22 bodies available to Hitch.

    In order to have one less body count against the cap (up to the buryable amount), they’d only be carrying 21 warm bodies – I don’t see that happening.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    DasBavaria: From Friedman’s 31 Thoughts:
    “Andrej Sekera is getting close to a conditioning stint. Edmonton is going to have to clear some cap room.”

    This is fantastic news.

    The stint can be a max of 3 games and 10 days (subject to application for an extension). Condors play this Friday and Saturday and then next Friday and Saturday so we may see him that weekend or after its over.

    This could be a difference maker (getting Reggie back a week after Klef) – we’ll see how it goes.

    Someone will be re-assigned to make room on the roster for Sekera – sending Manning down saves $1,075,000.

  91. PinkSocks says:

    OriginalPouzar: Was it Bruce for CoH that provided that great comparison?

    Unsure, I’m not a CoH reader

  92. smellyglove says:

    Swedishposter, how’d you come to be an Oilers fan?

    By the way, you are an outstanding poster here. We really appreciate your insights.

  93. Jethro Tull says:

    This just in:

    Magic Eightball named Oilers GM. When asked if the Oilers miss the playoffs, it said, “all signs point to yes.”

  94. Jordan says:

    Jethro Tull:
    This just in:

    Magic Eightball named Oilers GM.When asked if the Oilers miss the playoffs, it said, “all signs point to yes.”

    Ass. Literally and Figuratively.*

    ————————————————–

    *In light of your enjoyment of Archerisms…. I hope you Appreciate my comment is tongue in.. well… something…

  95. Munny says:

    geowal:
    Any scuttlebutt on Klefbom for Saturday?

    Someone should ask the GM… whoever THAT guy is. This week.

  96. Professor Q says:

    HT Joe: Wow… what an egotistical puke.A great player but not in the same universe as Gordie Howe.

    Primetime: Sorry, not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not, but it’s a rip off Johnny Manziel (Johnny Football), not Gordie Howe (Mr. Hockey)

    If I remember correctly, I don’t think it has to do with any of that.

    Johnny “F*@$ing” Hockey was a fan nickname thing.

    Then some company tried to make money off it by merchandising it.

    Gaudreau eventually caught wind of it and didn’t like the marketing of him by not himself, and for moral and PR reasons he copyrighted it so the company couldn’t use it, couldn’t make money off of it, and so that he could market it himself as simply Johnny Hockey (wider fanbase and market, not as likely to tick off parents and kids).

  97. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss: When I was growing up we had to drink out of a rolled up newspaper

    YOU had NEWSPAPERS!!?

    When I was a kid we had to read the paper through the neighbour’s windows. TV too.

  98. Professor Q says:

    Gerta Rauss: Well, look at Mr Fancy with his bottle opener. When I was growing up we had to drink out of a rolled up newspaper

    What were you doing drinking fish and chips?

  99. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: One of those D will likely be 3RD next season but, yes, there is the potential for a log-jam in the AHL.

    Keegan Lowe is signed – and that’s a good thing – he is a solid veteran AHL player that helps the team and the kids.It can’t be ALL kids.

    Stanton will likely not be re-signed but I think his veteran presence may be replaced by Manning if we can’t find a home for him without a penalty.I think that’s fine too, he will be another solid veteran and good injury cover. There is a log jam though and Samorukov will be on the team.

    I really don’t think Manning is going anywhere soon. He’s not popular here but he is well liked by Hitch and Yawney for whatever reason. I think he gets a loooong look.

  100. hunter1909 says:

    Munny: When I was a kid we had to read the paper through the neighbour’s windows. TV too.

    When I was a kid we had to go to the states to see colour TV.

  101. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Spooner could be a fit if the coach would give him a chance.

    You know a fit to do what he has done, year over year, during his career – produce at top six rates as a complementary player on a skill line.

    Seems like that might be something this team lacks…..

    Completely right about Spooner BUT, it seems there is a missing piece of info here. When a player falls off or does a 180 in performance there tends to be a reason, and we don’t know the reason.

    It could be injury or attitude for example which would take us opposite directions in regards to how he is managed.

    I think he may have been disappointed to come here and is playing to ensure a swift exit. They pay him the same either way.

  102. flea says:

    Professor Q,

    Yeah I met Gaudreau a few years back and actually got to speak to him for around 10 minutes. First impressions aren’t everything but I was impressed by him. Seemed very driven, competitive, but I would not say egotistical. More high energy, intensely focused, almost to the point where he was kind of socially awkward. Also didn’t seem to mind that I was wearing a McDavid shirt which I thought was good of him.

    Not really surprising given the level of player he is, but fan narrative is usually about how terrible players are.

  103. Bag of Pucks says:

    Gerta Rauss: Well, look at Mr Fancy with his bottle opener. When I was growing up we had to drink out of a rolled up newspaper

    Did you live in a shoebox in the middle of the road?

  104. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny= pass
    Professor= umm, not pass

    https://youtu.be/ue7wM0QC5LE

  105. Gerta Rauss says:
  106. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Gerta Rauss: Well, look at Mr Fancy with his bottle opener. When I was growing up we had to drink out of a rolled up newspaper

    I lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan McLeod with a 1st period PP goal.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex: I believe they need to clear ~960K to activate Sekera. I’d expect Rattie and/or Cave to be placed on waivers tomorrow, if Sekera is going to play Friday for the Condors (Edit: Oilers are only carrying 12 forwards so this is not likely)

    They could bury Manning in the minors…..

    Rattie already cleared waivers so he could go down with out having to re-clear.

    The Oilers are only over by apx $960 as you suggest, however, that’s with a 21 person roster – Klef’s activation will make it 22.

    When Sekera is activated, they will have a 23 man roster (he is included on the 23 man roster while on the conditioning stint) but only 22 warm bodies.

    They will need to send someone down to get cap compliant

    I’m sure they would like to bring up another body so they aren’t 2 short and only carrying one extra, however then they’d need to clear apx $2M somehow. I think they might just waive and send Manning or Petrovic down which would clear $1,075,000 and get them cap compliant. Probably Petrovic, they seem to like Manning more.

    They’d only have one extra body and back to back games which is a bit precarious.

  109. Professor Q says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Munny= pass
    Professor= umm, not pass

    https://youtu.be/ue7wM0QC5LE

    I mean, I can’t remember them all, despite loving Monty Python. I do remember a different iteration of that sketch, however. I think part of the fun is how they change their sketches over time and with different audiences.

  110. Gerta Rauss says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank.

    Luxury

  111. geowal says:

    OriginalPouzar: Team is on their mandated bye week – no news on anything.

    Not sure when its over technically, maybe tomorrow but Friday for sure we should have some verbal from the players and coaches.

    Cool thanks. I thought maybe mgmt (as Munny says whoever that is), might have slipped something to the media even if the players aren’t around.

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sunnyboy:
    Johnny Hockey, 4th round pick,has no AHL games.Also down the QE2, Valimaki made the phlems out of camp and had no AHL games until this weeks conditioning stint after a long injury lay-off. Two other rookiie D on their 3rd pair had extensive time in the AHL. Point being not all players are the same. Save the picks, prospects and suspects until training camp and let the battle begin.

    Except Gaudreau is a forward so I wouldn’t use him as any sort of comparable for Bouchard.

    Valimaki didn’t see AHL time but he also was getting caved in a sheltered third pairing role for the flames.

    His CF% was right at 50% but his GF% was 40% and his relative numbers were all HUGE minuses including a -20% RelGF%.

    Perhaps he’s a shining example of a player that should have started his pro career in the minor leagues?

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cassandra:
    How is this for ludicrous.

    Mikko Koskinen

    30 yrs old
    28 GP, .910 sv%
    3 years x 4.5 M

    Casey de Smith

    27 yrs old
    28 GP, .917 sv% (previous year 14 GP, .921 sv%)
    3 years x 1.25 M

    Mikko works really hard though, really hard.

  114. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    If Klefbom is activated, they will be at 22 bodies + Sekera I think????? Does Klefbom still count against the cap on IR? I think he does?

    12 forwards including Rattie
    9D!!! if Klefbom and Sekera are activated
    2 goalies

    Somethings gotta give on the D front one would assume, as you say.

  115. Pescador says:

    Munny: YOU had NEWSPAPERS!!?

    When I was a kid we had to read the paper through the neighbour’s windows.TV too.

    Must’ve been nice to live in a house with windows…
    lucky lucky bastard

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    Primetime:
    Dredger on the radio talking about Burakowsky and the Canucks.I really hope we don’t miss out on some potentially useful trades because we are in GM limbo, while our direct rivals take steps to potentially get better.

    He mentioned that Washington looking for a 3rd liner in return to help?I had previously floated Reider for Burakowsky….same limited offence this year, but good penalty killer, speed…maybe helpful in playoff run?Also cheaper than Burakowsky to give them a bit of room for another move?Would be willing to add a mid round draft pick or B prospect…we need scoring wingers! And nobody scores less than Tobi!

    We would need WSH to retain on that trade as, with Sekera’s impending activation, unless something more material happens, we are actually looking at running with 21 warm bodies in Edmonton to get cap compliant (roster would be at 22 b/c Sekera counts on the 23 man while in the AHL) – they likely send Manning or Petrovic down to clear the $1,075,000 of cap space and the Oilers would be left with apx $100K.

    Talbot for Burakovsky – Oiler can retain to make it cap neutral.

    The only reason to acquire this player though is to play him in the top 6. If Hitch won’t do it, there is no point.

    He needs to be qualified at $3.25M next year so, if he’s an Oiler, he needs to be stapled to McDavid or Drai for the rest of the season to find out if he can regain his production from a few year’s back and earn his QO with a view of being a top 6 winger.

    If he doesn’t earn the QO, he isn’t tender and becomes a UFA (or they negotiate a lower AAV prior to the deadline to tender).

  117. Melvis says:

    Munny: YOU had NEWSPAPERS!!?

    When I was a kid we had to read the paper through the neighbour’s windows.TV too.

    When I was a kid, brown paper bagging it didn’t mean lunch. It meant the bum fodder in the back house. The preferred read was an Eatons catalogue.

    And before you use my name in vain, I’ll have you know the Fat Melvis™ is a premium pre roll. Currently available in your favorite sativa, indica , and hybred strains.

    Also comes in three sizes. Small, medium, and incorrigible.

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50: I really don’t think Manning is going anywhere soon. He’s not popular here but he is well liked by Hitch and Yawney for whatever reason. I think he gets a loooong look.

    You very well could be right – the coaching staff does seem to like him – clearly over Gravel.

    With that said, here is the left side depth chart next year:

    Klef
    Nurse
    Sekera
    Russell
    Jones/Manning
    Manning/Jones

    Of course, as it stands how, Russell likely gets moved to the right side but the left side is quite full.

    We may get a sense of the plan in the next few weeks as both Klef and Sekera will be activated. Sekera won’t be on the team for 8-10 days after activation and they don’t need to send anyone down to make room on the 23 but they are going to need to clear almost $1M. My guess its Petrovic but it could be Manning.

    Assuming Manning stays on the roster, it will be interesting to see what happens when Sekera comes up – they will likely send down another d-man and recall a forward.

    WIll Manning stay in the lineup? I can’t imagine. Will he stay on the roster?

    Klef/Larsson
    Nurse/Russell
    Sekera/Benning

    Manning (Gravel/Petrovic)

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50: Completely right about Spooner BUT, it seems there is a missing piece of info here. When a player falls off or does a 180 in performance there tends to be a reason, and we don’t know the reason.

    It could be injury or attitude for example which would take us opposite directions in regards to how he is managed.

    I think he may have been disappointed to come here and is playing to ensure a swift exit. They pay him the same either way.

    Sure, I don’t disagree but, also, sometimes players just have off years and then get back to their historical norms. Spooner was having a poor season and, after the trade, he got a few games with Nuge, didn’t produce and then he’s received essentially no top 6 time. Sometimes even lining up to play with Brodz and Joe G. as his wingers. Maybe he will/would never produce in Edmonton but he hasn’t been given a chance, at all. He’s been put in a position to fail.

    This team is so void of scoring on the wings, I just don’t know how this doesn’t require a solid look

  120. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Gerta Rauss: Luxury

    I had to get up in the morning at 10 o clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    OriginalPouzar,

    If Klefbom is activated, they will be at 22 bodies + Sekera I think????? Does Klefbom still count against the cap on IR? I think he does?

    12 forwards including Rattie
    9D!!! if Klefbom and Sekera are activated
    2 goalies

    Somethings gotta give on the D front one would assume, as you say.

    Yes, Klefbom counts against the cap on IR, as does Sekera.

    So, when Klef is activated we are at 22 bodies and remain $960K over the cap an in to the LTIR cushion.

    When Sekera is activated, that’s 23 men on the roster (only 22 bodies because he will be on his conditioning stint in the AHL but still counting against the 23).

    Issue is they are $960K over the cap. The most they will be able to get rid of via an AHL assignment is $1,075,000 – they can get that relief (and be cap compliant) by waiving and sending down Manning or Petrovic (once they clear). Sending Gravel down doesn’t get us compliant as he’s at $800K.

    Manning or Petrovic down gets us there but we can’t recall anyone and will literally have 21 bodies.

    I’m not sure what else they might be planning if Sekera is indeed going to be activated to play for the Condors tomorrow night (and Saturday).

  122. HT Joe says:

    Professor Q,

    Thanks. So I guess I’m back to square 1: hating the nickname and disliking the Flames fans for using it. I think?

  123. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I’m catching a bit of the Bolts / Pens. Hitch is straight up wrong about the style he wants to play.

    They play with so much speed and tempo, and assertively, the puck isn’t stationary long enough to do pre-last lockout board wars. They can’t hold, they are worried about hitting now.

    It’s a bygone system. Time for a GM with a modern plan and a coach that can implement it and use the existing roster. Tempo, speed, assertiveness, let talent put them over the top. It is a gift of spectacular proportions, the Connor gift.

  124. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not sure not tendering a QO and letting him walk is a good idea (although I could argue in favor of it if I needed to)

    Typical lawyer! Just pick a side and stick to it, man! 🙂

  125. ArmchairGM says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I’m catching a bit of the Bolts / Pens. Hitch is straight up wrong about the style he wants to play.

    They play with so much speed and tempo, and assertively, the puck isn’t stationary long enough to do pre-last lockout board wars. They can’t hold, they are worried about hitting now.

    It’s a bygone system. Time for a GM with a modern plan and a coach that can implement it and use the existing roster. Tempo, speed, assertiveness, let talent put them over the top. It is a gift of spectacular proportions, the Connor gift.

    Those outfits are the Pitts tho! Horrendous!

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benn with a goal and the Stars are up 1-0 mid-way through the first period.

  127. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Chatter about Gagner being acquired is not a good idea. They already have Rattie, who is a better shooter.

    Another slower non physical smart player isn’t needed, just play the one they have. Or Spooner.

    If Hitch isn’t back Spooner might be re-motivated and become useful with a coach that plays players to their strengths.

  128. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM: Those outfits are the Pitts tho! Horrendous!

    They look like hornets. Bolts don’t want to get stung.

  129. ArmchairGM says:

    Scungilli Slushy: They look like hornets. Bolts don’t want to get stung.

    Yup. But Crosby needs a Kassian riding shotgun.

  130. workaroundaccount says:

    McNuge93: Johan Auvitu??

    Kirill Tulopov?

  131. Scungilli Slushy says:

    workaroundaccount: Kirill Tulopov?

    Awesome. I thought they should have used him as a winger back then.

  132. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM: Yup. But Crosby needs a Kassian riding shotgun.

    Yup, If they’d take him, or TO who are apparently wanting meat in the lineup. Luc is a summer deal probably.

    I like what Zach brings but that contrition is fading daily.

    * Or you could say contribution

  133. Gerta Rauss says:

    Melvis,

    I stumbled upon some old CDs last week and I’m working through them again

    This is one of my favs and I thought to myself..”this bass line is swingin’ it’s dick in the dirt,I betcha Melvis would enjoy this”

    I don’t know what possesed Matt Johnson to release an album of Hank Williams covers, but here it is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KotbuiWUG8

    the louder the better

  134. texmex says:

    Saturday’s game scares me. 1st game in 10 days and a midday start to boot. Philly will be playing their 4th game in 6 days. If memory serves me correct, teams coming out of the break don’t fair too well.

  135. Melvis says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    Cool. Thanks for that!

  136. Scungilli Slushy says:

    texmex:
    Saturday’s game scares me. 1st game in 10 days and a midday start to boot. Philly will be playing their 4th game in 6 days. If memory serves me correct, teams coming out of the break don’t fair too well.

    And Oilers for whatever reason are bad at at afternoon games. Always have been. Given time change it’s morning for the players.

    In playoffs or out, who knows what is actually best for the future, because the cup this year is very unlikely.

    If they win or lose both, what is better?

  137. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Playoffs this year is a bit of an organizational paradox, isn’t it?

    If they make the dance, the draft picks are automatically later in the round. They gain valuable experience as a team (or at least the returning core). Playoff revenue for Katz, and atmosphere for the city. But what happens if they get bounced in four straight, or in five? Does that have a greater negative impact long term?

    If they don’t finish top-eight, they’re sure to pick from a better crop of players at the draft. The anti-Detroit model, if you will. Better waiver eligibility the following season. Definitely doesn’t help shape the “culture” of winning the team so desperately needs. Another reason for quality free agents to avoid signing, or key players on expiring contracts (RNH, Larsson, to name a couple) become averse to signing extensions.

    Biggest problem with losing, is the upsides of not making the playoffs really are contingent on having a GM and scouting staffs in place who are able to accurately assess and identify organizational needs and implement effective solutions. Perhaps the owner gets squirrely in his thirst for profit, and makes some rash decisions not based on winning hockey games. Maybe those rash moves work out… maybe they don’t.

    Personally speaking, I just want the team to win. Winning washes away this pervasive stench of failure. Even if we go on a tear to end the year and miss out by a point or few, but end the year winning I’d be reasonably content. I want to see more prolonged stretches of competent — no, dominant — play by the Oilers. The only way to change the outside perception of the team is to start winning, and do so consistently, more often. End the year strong, so as to start next season on the same foot.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    BUF can’t manage a single goal – Bishop leads DAL to a 1-0 win.

  139. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    BUF can’t manage a single goal – Bishop leads DAL to a 1-0 win.

    Bishop cartwheels to a shutout. Obvious dive is obvious.

  140. Scungilli Slushy says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Playoffs this year is a bit of an organizational paradox, isn’t it?

    If they make the dance, the draft picks are automatically later in the round.They gain valuable experience as a team (or at least the returning core).Playoff revenue for Katz, and atmosphere for the city.But what happens if they get bounced in four straight, or in five?Does that have a greater negative impact long term?

    If they don’t finish top-eight, they’re sure to pick from a better crop of players at the draft.The anti-Detroit model, if you will.Better waiver eligibility the following season.Definitely doesn’t help shape the “culture” of winning the team so desperately needs.Another reason for quality free agents to avoid signing, or key players on expiring contracts (RNH, Larsson, to name a couple) become averse to signing extensions.

    Biggest problem with losing, is the upsides of not making the playoffs really are contingent on having a GM and scouting staffs in place who are able to accurately assess and identify organizational needs and implement effective solutions.Perhaps the owner gets squirrely in his thirst for profit, and makes some rash decisions not based on winning hockey games.Maybe those rash moves work out… maybe they don’t.

    Personally speaking, I just want the team to win.Winning washes away this pervasive stench of failure.Even if we go on a tear to end the year and miss out by a point or few, but end the year winning I’d be reasonably content.I want to see more prolonged stretches of competent — no, dominant — play by the Oilers.The only way to change the outside perception of the team is to start winning, and do so consistently, more often.End the year strong, so as to start next season on the same foot.

    True. Timing is everything. Does missing the playoffs lead to a change that means a better future? Does making them mean more of the same?

    It’s up to Katz. What is happening now isn’t good enough, we know it, they know it, but not much has changed really in the last forever.

    I think missing is better. I don’t care about Katz wallet, he has received enough from Edmonton fans/taxpayers in cash.

    The only thing I would care about financially is bankruptcy, but as a high revenue team that isn’t likely. Katz may have over extended himself with all of the changes to his business dealings in a short period, but if he has he has to sell, there will be buyers.

    Hopefully good.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    I care about Katz’s wallet if decreased revenues leads to meddling and a mandate on our new GM regarding fast-tracking the re-tool.

  142. Sunnyboy says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    No reference to Bouchard by me, just a general comment .
    Valimaki played the first 22 games, was -3. Phlems were 13-8-1, nope, not good enough.

  143. flyfish1168 says:

    Professor Q:
    If I remember correctly, I don’t think it has to do with any of that.

    Johnny “F*@$ing” Hockey was a fan nickname thing.

    Then some company tried to make money off it by merchandising it.

    Gaudreau eventually caught wind of it and didn’t like the marketing of him by not himself, and for moral and PR reasons he copyrighted it so the company couldn’t use it, couldn’t make money off of it, and so that he could market it himself as simply Johnny Hockey (wider fanbase and market, not as likely to tick off parents and kids).

    Johnny Yahoo sounds about right

  144. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Agreed. That, along with relocation, represents the worst possible outcome for the team.

    I won’t root against the team, but perhaps it takes that kind of shock to motivate the owner to finally clear the decks, and modernize management operations enough to build some sustained success.

  145. YKOil says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank.

    A bag? AND A SEPTIC TANK???

    To dream, to dream.

  146. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sunnyboy:
    OriginalPouzar,

    No reference to Bouchard by me, just a general comment .
    Valimakiplayed the first 22 games, was -3. Phlems were 13-8-1, nope, not good enough.

    I’m not saying that Valimaki was awful – just that the numbers show, at 5 on 5, a 40% goal differential (8GF/12GA) and his relative possession numbers were are strong negative (relative to the team) and his RelGF% was -20. This was in sheltered 3rd pairing minutes with 68% offensive zone starts.

    I’m not trying to say he was terrible but simply that I wouldn’t be using him as a shinning example of a d-man not needing AHL time – it seems that he is struggling a bit to move the puck in the right direction relative to his team and its ending up in the back of his net moreso that with the other players.

  147. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Does nobody else refer to Johnny Gaudreau as Johnny Cocky?

    Not because he’s, you know, particularly cocky or anything just he’s a Flame and its a fairly obvious.

  148. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not saying that Valimaki was awful – just that the numbers show, at 5 on 5, a 40% goal differential (8GF/12GA) and his relative possession numbers were are strong negative (relative to the team) and his RelGF% was -20.This was in sheltered 3rd pairing minutes with 68% offensive zone starts.

    I’m not trying to say he was terrible but simply that I wouldn’t be using him as a shinning example of a d-man not needing AHL time – it seems that he is struggling a bit to move the puck in the right direction relative to his team and its ending up in the back of his net moreso that with the other players.

    I thought Valimaki looked good in those first 20 games.
    Obviously the Flames coaching staff thought so too. He beat out Kulak, Anderson and Kylington to start the year.

  149. Tapdog says:

    Scungilli Slushy: True. Timing is everything. Does missing the playoffs lead to a change that means a better future? Does making them mean more of the same?

    It’s up to Katz. What is happening now isn’t good enough, we know it, they know it, but not much has changed really in the last forever.

    I think missing is better. I don’t care about Katz wallet, he has received enough from Edmonton fans/taxpayers in cash.

    The only thing I would care about financially is bankruptcy, but as a high revenue team that isn’t likely. Katz may have over extended himself with all of the changes to his business dealings in a short period, but if he has he has to sell, there will be buyers.

    Hopefully good.

    I appreciate where you are coming from but wonder what other change you see coming from more failure? Do you see the OBC in jeopardy? They have themselves so insulated I cannot see how?
    Chiarelli is gone, Hitch is temporary…..just not clear where you see see this better future with continued failure.

  150. Pechetr says:

    Cassandra,

    Yeah but who’s taller?

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