Draft and College

The Oilers traded the rights to John Marino the other day, he has since signed with the Pittsburgh Penguins. Fans of the Edmonton team are happy with the pick (sixth round, probably No. 175 or so) but are left to wonder about Marino signing with the Penguins as opposed to starting his pro career with the Oilers.

Some of this is predictable. American kids often sign with USA teams and Canadian college men can choose teams north of the border (Matt Benning a recent example) over their drafting teams.

Are the Oilers getting value from ‘draft and college’ selections?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: Examining the potential waiver-wire opportunities at hand for the Oilers
  • New Lowetide: Cooper Marody’s utility gives him an edge for an Oilers roster spot in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s roster construction options for the Oilers over the next seven months.
  • Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto has the talent to win a job with the Oilers on merit, if he’s healthy.
  • Jonathan Willis: Jesse Puljujarvi still has upside and the Oilers’ patient approach is the right one
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Dave Tippett on rounding out his coaching staff, fixing Oilers’ special teams and using Connor McDavid
  • Lowetide: Handicapping the Oilers’ young defencemen and their chances of replacing Andrej Sekera
  • Lowetide: Is Kirill Maksimov progressing as the Edmonton Oilers’ next great hope for a true homegrown sniper?
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers ease pressure on crowded defensive pipeline by trading John Marino to the Penguins
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the 2021-22 Oilers might look like after their steady build toward contender status
  • Lowetide: Joel Persson is ideally situated to win an opening night roster spot with the Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the 2019-20 Oilers might look like without trade missteps.
  • Lowetide: Finding the best candidates for the final two spots on the Oilers skill lines in 2019-20.
  • Jonathan Willis: Projecting the Oilers’ opening night lineup, line combinations and more.
  • Lowetide: Does the James Neal acquisition impact Oilers’ prospects in 2019-20?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ acquisition of James Neal could add badly needed scoring to the top two lines.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland puts his stamp on the Oilers with first big move in Lucic-Neal trade
  • Jonathan Willis: Ken Holland ends an ugly situation for the Oilers by trading Milan Lucic for James Neal
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Potential free-agent options for the Oilers in 2020
  • Jonathan Willis: Which Oilers defencemen can make an outlet pass?
  • Lowetide: Looking ahead to Oilers training camp: 35 players for 23 jobs
  • Jonathan Willis: Josh Archibald won’t fix the Oilers’ biggest problems, but he’ll help with some key issues.
  • Lowetide: Will the 2019-20 Bakersfield Condors be the Oilers’ best minor-league team ever?
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2000-04

2000—D  Jason Platt in the 8th round. Drafted out of Omaha (USHL) after 18-year old season. Attended college at Providence and signed with the Oilers after full four years in NCAA. Turned pro at 23, peaked with 109 AHL games.

2001—C Eddie Caron in the 2nd round. Drafted out of Phillips-Exeter Academy (USHS) after 18-year old season. Attended college at New Hampshire, transferred but it got derailed or he left Dodge and he turned pro with Greenville Grrrowl at age 22. Peaked with 54 ECHL games.

2001—C Jake Brenk in the 5th round. Drafted out of Breck School (USHS) after 18-year old season. Attended Minnesota State-Mankato all four years, turned pro at 23 by signing in Holland.

2002—D Matt Greene in the 2nd round. Drafted out of Green Bay (USHL) after 18-year old season. Attended UND for three seasons, turned pro at 22 by signing with the Oilers. Greene would play in the SCF’s that season and enjoyed a long NHL career (615 games).

2002—G Glenn Fisher in the 5th round. Drafted out of Ft. Saskatchewan (AJHL) after 18-year old season. Attended U Denver for four years, and turned pro with the Oilers age 24. Peaked with four AHL games.

2002—L Patrick Murphy in the 7th round. Drafted out of Newmarket (OPJHL) after 18-year old season. Attended Northern Michigan for four years, and turned pro at age 23 by signing with Laredo (CHL). Played five games at that level.

2003—R Colin McDonald in the 2nd round. Drafted out of New England (EJHL) after 17-year old season. Attended Providence College for four years, turned pro at 22 by signing with the Oilers. He played 148 NHL games and is still playing NA pro.

2003—R David Rohlfs in the 5th round. Drafted out of Compuware (NAHL) after 18-year old season. Attended Michigan for four years, turned pro at 23 by signing with the Oilers. Peaked with seven AHL games.

2004—C Geoff Paukovich in the 2nd round. Drafted out of USNDTP after 17-year old season. Attended U Denver for three years, and turned pro at 21 by signing with the Oilers. Peaked with 109 AHL games. Oilers traded Jason Chimera for the draft pick that was used for Paukovich.

DRAFT AND COLLEGE 2005-09

2005—C Andrew Cogliano in the 1st round. Drafted out of Toronto St. Mike’s (OPJHL) after 17-year old season, he played at Michigan for two years and turned pro at age 20 with the Oilers. Currently at 944 games and counting, he is the class of the group in GP.

2005—D Taylor Chorney in the 2nd round. Drafted out of Shattuck-St. Mary’s (USHS) after 17-year old season, he played for UND for three years and turned pro at age 21 with the Oilers. He played in the NHL 166 games, and spent his first Euro season in Switzerland in 2018-19.

2005—C Robby Dee in the 3rd round. Drafted out of Breck (USHS) after 17-year old season, he went to Omaha (USHL) for two years and then college (Maine) for four years before turning pro at age 24 in the ECHL. Peaked with three AHL games.

2005—C Chris VandeVelde in the 4th round. Drafted out of Moorhead (USHS) after 17-year old season, he went to Lincoln (USHL) for one year and then college (UND) for four years before turning pro at age 23 by signing with the Oilers. He played 278 NHL games and has played in Finland and Austria in the last two seasons.

2005—L Matt Glasser in the 7th round. Drafted out of Fort McMurray (AJHL) after 17-year old season, he stayed another year in the USHL and then hit college (U Denver) for four years before turning pro at age 23 in the CHL. Peaked with 116 CHL games.

2006—D Jeff Petry in the 2nd round. Drafted out of Des Moines (USHL) after 17-year old season, he stayed another year in the USHL and then hit college (Michigan State) for three more years before turning pro at age 22 by signing with the Oilers. Currently at 609 games, one of the best in this group.

2007—C Riley Nash in the 1st round. Drafted out of Salmon Arm (BCJHL) after 17-year old season, he attended Cornell (NCAA) for three years before turning pro at age 21 by signing with the Carolina Hurricanes. Currently at 477 NHL games.

2009—D Troy Hesketh in the 3rd round. Drafted out of Minnetonka (USHS) after 17-year old season, he did not progress.

2009—D Kyle Bigos in the 4th round. Drafted out of Vernon (BCJHL) after 20-year old season, he attended Merrimack College (NCAA) for four years before turning pro at age 24 by signing with the San Jose Sharks. Peaked with eight AHL games.

2010 TO 2014

2010—F Kellen Jones in the 7th round. Drafted out of Vernon (BCJHL) after 20-year old season, he attended Quinnipiac (NCAA) for four years before turning pro by signing with the Oklahoma City Barons for his 24-year old season. Peaked with 175 AHL games.

2012—C Jujhar Khaira in the 3rd round. Drafted out of Prince George (BCJHL) after 17-year old season, he attended Michigan Tech for one year and Everett (WHL) for one year and he turned pro with the Oilers at age 20. Has played in 154 NHL games and has a solid resume.

2013—F Aidan Muir in the 4th round. Drafted out of Victory Honda Midget (MWEHL) after 17-year old season, he played with Indiana (USHL) for a year before heading to Western Michigan. Muir played four college seasons, Oilers did not sign him to a pro deal. He played seven games for the ECHL Fort Wayne Komets in 2018-19.

2013—L Evan Campbell in the 5th round. Drafted out of Langley (BCJHL) after 20-year old season, he played with UMass-Lowell (NCAA) 2013-17. Played in one AHL game.

2014—D William Lagesson in the 4th round. Drafted out of Frolunda (Swedish Juniors) after his 17-year old year, he played the following season in the USHL before heading to the NCAA UMass-Amherst for two years. Edmonton signed Lagesson last spring and then loaned him for the 2017-18 season to Djugardens (SHL), where he flourished. A strong AHL campaign in 2018-19 has him on the verge of NHL employment.

2014—L Liam Coughlin in the 5th round. Drafted out of Vernon (BCJHL) after 19-year old season, he stayed there for an extra year before playing college hockey for Vermont. Now property of the Chicago Blackhawks, he will apparently play his senior year with Vermont.

2014—F Tyler Vesel in the 6th round. Drafted out of Omaha (USHL) after 20-year old season, he just finished four seasons with U Nebraska-Omaha. Signed to an NHL-deal, he has two-way acumen.

2015 TO 2019

2015—Caleb Jones in the 4th round. Drafted out of the US National Development Program (USHL), he changed gears and played for Portland (WHL) for his two post-draft seasons. His two AHL seasons have seen exceptional growth and Jones made his NHL debut (17 games) in 2018-19. There is a great deal of anticipation about his NHL arrival.

2015—John Marino in the 6th round. Drafted out of the South Shore Kings (USHL Pr), he moved up to the USHL in draft +1 (won Clark Cup) and then Harvard where he played well in three seasons. Marino signed with Pittsburgh recently, effectively passing on the opportunity to begin his pro career with the Oilers.

2016—Matt Cairns in the 3rd round. Drafted out of Georgetown (OJHL), he couldn’t get into the lineup in the USHL (not a good sign) so played in the BCHL to complete his year. Played sparingly in freshman season with Cornell 2017-18, had a more prominent role as a sophomore.

2016—Graham McPhee in the 5th round. Drafted out of the US National Development Team, he attended Boston College and played a support role. Like Dillon Simpson, McPhee arrived in college very young (he was drafted while 17) and that means he has more room to grow. Stepped up in a big way 2017-18 (36, 12-12-24) but stumbled badly in his junior campaign.

2016—Aapeli Rasanen in the 7th round. Drafted out of the Finnish Jr leagues, he played for Sioux City of the USHL. He has run into injury problems since draft day, solid when healthy for Boston College. He suffered an offensive downbeat in 2018-19.

2017—Skyler Brind’Amour in the 6th round. Drafted out of the U.S. National Development Team, Brind’Amour went to a lesser league (BCHL). His first season there produced disappointing offense, he was better in year two.

2017—Phillip Kemp in the 6th round. Another player drafted out of the U.S. National Development Program, he is famous because of the international teams he’s played on. A strong shutdown talent, he would be the logical next ‘test case’ in the Marino worry.

2018—Michael Kesselring in the 6th round. He’s a big man with raw skills, and he is pushing. This is a player of interest, and scouts rave about his outer marker.

2019—Matej Blumel in the 4th round. A speedster from Czech Republic, Blumel spiked in all areas in 2018-19 and has to be considered a legit NHL prospect. Many miles to go but the early words and numbers are quality.

2019—Tomas Mazura in the 6th round. A late breaker and we don’t have a ton of information on him yet. The verbal I got on draft day: “Very skilled- a top prep player for his all-around offensive package/upside. Comes from top program. Raw and will take time to develop/fill out but had a lot of pre-draft buzz.”

VALUE

In the last 10 drafts, Edmonton spent 17 selections on players who were heading to college. From that group, Khaira and Jones have made NHL appearances, Lagesson is among the organization’s 10 best prospects and Marino clearly has value.

Is the return worth 1.7 picks a year? I think so, but would like to point out the Oilers don’t get the benefit from its draft acumen. Jeff Petry, Andrew Cogliano and others were traded away in their peak years or just before. Madness. The scouts did well with the picks in my opinion, we’ll have to wait on much of the 2010-19 group for proof. The 2000-09 decade delivered seven out of 18, with Petry, Cogliano, Greene and Nash all representing quality.

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58 Responses to "Draft and College"

  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    So far so good with Willie Lagessson – although he was drafted out of the USHL, he then played a couple years of college before the one year in Sweden.

    Phil Kemp is trending well, similar to Marino. A few more years until Kemp needs to be signed. Here is hoping.

    I’m not as high on Vincent Desharnais and I think a decision will need to be made next summer.

    From accounts, Michael Kesselring took huge steps, both physically and in his development year over year and is now firmly on the map – he’s head off to NorthEastern and it will be years before we know.

    Always a risk it seems with the college draftees.

    Chiarelli had some success with college signings – obviously no “risk” of losing a drafted asset. Benning in particular and, to a lesser extent, Caggiula.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    ScungilliSlushy: It’s a hard time of year. Nothing going on.

    I love hockey, and summer. I’m in conflict as I see summer closing and hockey coming, every year.

    Now you rich guys will tell me both are possible.

    I struggle with the same conflict every year – anticipating the start of camp and the season and the “can’t wait”, however, at the same time, not wanting to “wish summer away”.

    Not that there has been much of a summer in Alberta – July was awful August has been “ok” but is now turning Mayish for the next week. Blah!

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice:
    One of those 4 LD need to go now for a cost controled high end winger as the value of those 4 are ALL at their absolute peak via-a-vis all parameters that matter. We are not making the playoffs this year anyways so now is the logical time to do it.

    What are the parameters that put Samorukov at “peak value”.

    Sure, if he ends up not actually being an NHL player, which may happen, then, yes, his value is likely near its peak, however, I would expect his value is MUCH higher when he’s developed in to an NHL player and maybe even top 4 or, who knows, a top pairing, d-man.

    Same with Broberg.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    JethroTull: You’d take a 6th for JP?

    No, that was in reference to Marino.

  5. OilersFuture says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not as high on Vincent Desharnais and I think a decision will need to be made next summer.

    Desharnais signed a AHL deal with Bakersfield he’s not really a prospect of note.
    https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/264690/vincent-desharnais

    I think the key for College kids is ensuring that you have good communication with them throughout their time in college. A new regime change could impact Chia’s picks such as Kemp. Another thing to note is that the Oiler’s have had a good job recruiting college players that were drafted by other teams such as Schultz, Marody, Benning. I liked Marino thought he was a good player that was offensively impacted by playing behind Adam Fox.

  6. Lowetide says:

    I would request we keep subjects from previous threads in those threads, thus giving a chance for some fresh air in today’s thread.

  7. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: No, that was in reference to Marino.

    You missed his joke I think.

  8. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Marino was behind Broberg, Bouchard, Jones, Samorukov, Bear, and Lagesson among D prospects.

    He might be Pittsburgh’s 2nd best D prospect.

    The risk you take when you build a pipeline as strong as EDM’s is now.

    Somewhat similarly, Justin Schultz jumped ship from a team that had Hampus Lindholm, Cam Fowler, Sami Vatanen, and a young promising Luca Sbisa.

  9. Lowetide says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Marino was behind Broberg, Bouchard, Jones, Samorukov, Bear, and Lagesson among D prospects.

    He might be Pittsburgh’s 2nd best D prospect.

    The risk you take when you build a pipeline as strong as EDM’s is now.

    Somewhat similarly, Justin Schultz jumped ship from a team that had Hampus Lindholm, Cam Fowler, Sami Vatanen, and a young promising Luca Sbisa.

    …and was Canadian.

  10. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Marino gets $1.775M! $850K performance bonuses.

    Good for John

  11. russ99 says:

    This is a very interesting topic, with the movement up the draft of the US U18 Development Team prospects making the unsure NCAA development path more a factor than in years past.

    It seems to me the U18 Dev Team to Junior path prepares players for the NHL better than spending 2+ years in the NCAA with the lower number of games per season and less of a developmental focus before turning pro, usually needing at least an AHL year.

    There are some rare players picked in their 18 year old season who jump into the NHL, but most need 1-2 NCAA years before going pro.

    I’d love to see the AHL lower their age requirement for US Development players to give these players a choice without affecting the CHL agreement, though I’m sure players wanting a few years towards a college education plays a part.

  12. Andy Dufresne says:

    Full disclosure, I have little sense of what kind of prospect Marino is or how to peg his value.

    But Im curious if there is an affect in play, a bias of sorts, when we look at these prospects as a scoreboard of organizational results. (which of course we do, and rightly so)

    However, when viewed through the lense of ” organizational drafting results” , lets say, in a poor drafting organization like the Oilers, Marino ranks as a win (6th rounder who plays some games in the NHL). Lets say, that puts him in the top 30% of Oilers draft picks. (where well over 50% fail completely, zero NHL games)

    Viewed through this lense, Marino clearly has value; he’s in the win / net positive column as far as draft results.

    BUT, viewed through a different lense, coluld he not be viewed / thought of as we do with MANY fulltime NHL players, as a “replacement level” player/prospect ??

    In the NHL player pool, we designate maybe 10-15% of the full time NHLers as replacement level players. Players who if, for whatever reason we lost or let go today, we could fairly easily replace tomorrow at aproximatley the same cost.

    Is this principle not also true for Prospects?

    Further to this, a sort of “lifecycle” exists for replacement level players, wherein bad teams (like the Oilers) make a habit of picking up the replacement level players that the good teams basically give away or let walk (like Alex Chaisson)

    This same principle applies to Prospect Pools, No? Teams with deep prospect pools are more prone to letting replacement level prospects walk and get picked up by other NHL teams (sometimes by overseas leagues) whose prospect pools are not as deep.

    The fact that Marino was traded and not just let go tells us that he has some value. How much value? Well, Prospect Replacement Level Value. He was a 6th round pick for us, and he returned a 6th round pick to us. Is his value greater than a 6th round pick? Probably.

    But the fact that we let him go for a 6th tells us that the Oilers prospect pool has improved to the point where Marino, a replacement level prospect, was moved from us ( an organization with some prospect pool depth) to an organiztion with lesser prospect pool depth.

    So, in that regard, us picking from the reject pool of the Washington Capitals ( Chaisson ) is very much like the Pittsburgh Penguins picking from the Prospect reject pool of the Edmonton Oilers.

    It all seems like the natural course of events to me. It speaks to our growing strength in the areas of amature scouting, procurment, and development. In that sense, losing Marino can be viewed as a positive, and certainly nothing to be woeful about, or concerned. IMHO.

    You pick up a Marino, you lose a Marino. You pick up a Chaisson, you lose a Chaisson. If you’re lucky, the player exceeds expectations and resigns ( Alex Chaisson) Are the Washington Capitals losing sleep over the fact that Chaisson has resigned with Edmonton? I dont think so.

    Should we be concerned if Marino evatually resigns with the Penguins? I dont think so. He’s a Replacment Level Prospect.

    But as abused Oilers fans, with our history of terrible drafting and developing, if Marino gets resigned by Pittsburgh as a 6/7 Dman, we’re going to notice; We’re going to point it out; We might even view it as a failure of the organizaton to effectively assess talent. When in fact, it was the natural order of things.

    Martin Marincin anyone?

  13. Genjutsu says:

    The drafting seems decent in the past and recently looks very promising. If only management could stop trading these players away. Hopefully Holland does better.

    In management’s defence media here has been poison to the point where fans should be just as disappointed in them as with management in the past. I remember before Cogliano dealt reading about having too many centers . . . Because that’s a real thing that can happen.

  14. geowal says:

    Am I the only one who doesn’t see good value in the Marino trade? Sure, if unsigned, he’s worthless. But what’s the value of an early 20s player who’s good enough to sign to a pro deal with NHL upside? I would have thought more than a futuristic 6th rounder. If you go to the draft and see a player that you for sure will at least sign, where do you take him? I’m thinking a lot sooner.

  15. Wonder Llama says:

    Hey LT, did you win that face-off against Khaira?

  16. Lowetide says:

    Wonder Llama:
    Hey LT, did you win that face-off against Khaira?

    Nope. THEN he beat me senseless. 🙂

  17. Rich M says:

    LT, curious why didn’t you include Dillon Simpson in your analysis. Played for years at UND before turning pro, went to the AHL and I think is now in the Columbus system.

  18. Justthestatsman says:

    Lowetide: Nope. THEN he beat me senseless.

    Don’t get too worked up about it. It’s a small sample size. If it happens another ten times or so, then you can start to worry.

  19. New Improved Darkness says:

    Whenever an English-speaking person pounds the table and demands “why can’t things be simple!” somewhere deep inside, the English language chuckles to itself: ho ho hole whole vvhore hooligan.

    I’ve often read that Chinese has no equivalent word for “fun”.

    On that basis, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that somewhere out there, there is a language with no direct vocabulary for the bizarre, cultural concept of “simple”; some strangely upstanding language that can gaze deep into a mirror without wincing.

    I ask you: where lividth the Englishman hoo can say ho ho hole whole vvhore hooligan without wincing?

    [*] Apologies to Lowetide for adducing the improvised w.

    Edit: late rhetorical flourish.

  20. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    geowal,

    Recouping any asset for a player unwilling to sign with our organization is good value. The alternative is he refuses a contract offer and walks, leaving us with nothing more than an open contract spot.

  21. Reja says:

    This is driving me nuts. Who was the first Oiler drafted out of the americas college and the first one to have success?

  22. Reja says:

    geowal:
    Am I the only one who doesn’t see good value in the Marino trade? Sure, if unsigned, he’s worthless. But what’s the value of an early 20s player who’s good enough to sign to a pro deal with NHL upside? I would have thought more than a futuristic 6th rounder. If you go to the draft and see a player that you for sure will at least sign, where do you take him? I’m thinking a lot sooner.

    Maybe Marino was never going to play in western Canada or he seen the pipeline of D and he felt his best opportunity was with another organization. Oilers have a unprecedented number of D chomping at the Bit. I’m sure it was a big reason why Sekera was bought out.

  23. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Revisiting the Oilers’ 2016 draft and the opportunities missed

    https://theathletic.com/1126722/2019/08/09/lowetide-revisiting-the-oilers-2016-draft-and-the-opportunities-missed/

  24. Lowetide says:

    Reja:
    This is driving me nuts. Who was the first Oiler drafted out of the americas college and the first one to have success?

    Glenn Anderson.

  25. Lowetide says:

    Rich M:
    LT, curious why didn’t you include Dillon Simpson in your analysis. Played for years at UND before turning pro, went to the AHL and I think is now in the Columbus system.

    He was drafted while playing NCAA.

  26. Reja says:

    Lowetide: Glenn Anderson.

    Lol that’s why it was driving me nuts. I remember vividly the announcers and columnist always raving about him going through the Canadian National program and once in awhile mention his year at the university of Denver but obviously not enough to stick with me.

  27. barry.moore23 says:

    Man time flys. It sees like just yesterday Van de Velde was playing for the Flyers. I always liked that guy. Then again, i like Kris Russell 😎

  28. GMB3 says:

    russ99:
    This is a very interesting topic, with the movement up the draft of the US U18 Development Team prospects making the unsure NCAA development path more a factor than in years past.

    It seems to me the U18 Dev Team to Junior path prepares players for the NHL better than spending 2+ years in the NCAA with the lower number of games per season and less of a developmental focus before turning pro, usually needing at least an AHL year.

    There are some rare players picked in their 18 year old season who jump into the NHL, but most need 1-2 NCAA years before going pro.

    I’d love to see the AHL lower their age requirement for US Development players to give these players a choice without affecting the CHL agreement, though I’m sure players wanting a few years towards a college education plays a part.

    Less games in college = more development time. There is a reason the % of college players in the NHL keeps climbing.

  29. Justthestatsman says:

    Lowetide: Glenn Anderson.

    Anderson was the first guy I remember seeing pass off the boards to himself. Pretty cheeky, but he always seemed to pull it off. It was followed by a cut to the net at warp speed, seemingly just on the edge of losing control.

  30. geowal says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    geowal,

    Recouping any asset for a player unwilling to sign with our organization is good value.The alternative is he refuses a contract offer and walks, leaving us with nothing more than an open contract spot.

    Yes I get he could have gone for nothing, as I stated, which is why it was conditional, I’m merely questioning the value of the pick. Given that he’s about to be (at minimum) a minor leaguer, it seems he’s covered that bet for something higher than a 6th, especially given that he doesn’t need further amateur development. I was trying to work out what this should be worth based on Scott Cullen’s work but my phone doesn’t lend itself to such things, so that’s as far as I got.

    Maybe Pittsburgh was the only market for him, and if so, so be it, just colour me less than impressed. A minor disappointment in the grand scheme.

  31. Reja says:

    Justthestatsman: Anderson was the first guy I remember seeing pass off the boards to himself.Pretty cheeky, but he always seemed to pull it off. It was followed by a cut to the net at warp speed, seemingly just on the edge of losing control.

    With his stick looking out of control to everyone except Anderson. Lavoie seems to have some Anderson qualities in my opinion. I hope he drives to the net and goes in the other danger areas with half as much vigour as Anderson.

  32. RISTOOOOO SILTANEN!!!! says:

    Justthestatsman: Anderson was the first guy I remember seeing pass off the boards to himself.Pretty cheeky, but he always seemed to pull it off. It was followed by a cut to the net at warp speed, seemingly just on the edge of losing control.

    On one skate.

  33. Munny says:

    Justthestatsman: Anderson was the first guy I remember seeing pass off the boards to himself.Pretty cheeky, but he always seemed to pull it off. It was followed by a cut to the net at warp speed, seemingly just on the edge of losing control.

    I used to copy that move in indoor soccer all the time. Was never a good enough skater to pull it off in the hockey.

  34. meanashell11 says:

    I am personal friends with Phil Kemp’s family. I think it boils down to how the Oil treat and nurture over the next couple of years. They are solid loyal people, so if the Oilers don’t screw him around, I expect he would sign.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilersFuture: Desharnais signed a AHL deal with Bakersfield he’s not really a prospect of note.

    Oh, that’s right – I knew that but forgot – thank you.

    Ya, not many that sign AHL contracts make their way to the NHL.

    Next step for Vinny is to try and earn an NHL contract like Logan Day did – not that I think Day will ever play in the NHL.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    I would request we keep subjects from previous threads in those threads, thus giving a chance for some fresh air in today’s thread.

    There are often conversations from the previous night that are continued with responses between 5-8:30 in the morning and I’m often unable to check in during those times. I sometimes put the responses in the new blog as most likely stop checking for new comments in the previous blog once the new one is up.

    Traffic is low these day but, good sir, your blog your rules.

    No problem.

  37. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: There are often conversations from the previous night that are continued with responses between 5-8:30 in the morning and I’m often unable to check in during those times. I sometimes put the responses in the new blog as most likely stop checking for new comments in the previous blog once the new one is up.

    Traffic is low these day but, good sir, your blog your rules.

    No problem.

    The blog does better in summer than winter, with final week of June and first week of July peak. Comments don’t equal traffic. Appreciate your understanding.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Marino gets $1.775M! $850K performance bonuses.

    Good for John

    Its very odd that he got the max Schedule A bonuses – shit, that’s the same contract Bouchard got and normally reserved for the top 15 picks and sought after UFAs signing ELCs.

    Guess he dug in and required that to sign.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja:
    This is driving me nuts. Who was the first Oiler drafted out of the americas college and the first one to have success?

    Probably already answered but Glenn Anderson!!!

  40. Revolved says:

    Lowetide,

    That is very interesting. I wonder if that has to do with the draft being the Oilers version of the playoffs? May I ask how many daily visitors you get?

  41. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Its very odd that he got the max Schedule A bonuses – shit, that’s the same contract Bouchard got and normally reserved for the top 15 picks and sought after UFAs signing ELCs.

    Guess he dug in and required that to sign.

    They don’t have many prospects always trading picks at the deadline in a quest for lord Stanley. Me thinks they like him and we’ll be watching him soon enough in a penguins uniform.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Revolved:
    Lowetide,

    That is very interesting. I wonder if that has to do with the draft being the Oilers version of the playoffs? May I ask how many daily visitors you get?

    I track total visits, so it doesn’t break down individually.

  43. anonymous says:

    Lowetide: The blog does better in summer than winter, with final week of June and first week of July peak. Comments don’t equal traffic. Appreciate your understanding.

    This is true, it was years before I ever posted. I know a few others who have read for years and have yet to comment.

  44. Scungilli Slushy says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Marino was behind Broberg, Bouchard, Jones, Samorukov, Bear, and Lagesson among D prospects.

    He might be Pittsburgh’s 2nd best D prospect.

    The risk you take when you build a pipeline as strong as EDM’s is now.

    Somewhat similarly, Justin Schultz jumped ship from a team that had Hampus Lindholm, Cam Fowler, Sami Vatanen, and a young promising Luca Sbisa.

    Sort of true , but Marino is a RD, so Bouchard, Persson, Bear and Berglund are his direct comp.

    He’d be hard pressed to pass Bouchard, the other 3 have no better chances and perhaps worse as none are plus skaters like Marino, and other than Berglund don’t have a size advantage.

    The Pens are sexier and US. But given John’s timeline I’d rather be on Connor’s team than an ‘old’ Syd and Gino outfit, the Pens window is about to slam shut.

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    anonymous: This is true, it was years before I ever posted. I know a few others who have read for years and have yet to comment.

    It makes one wonder how many fans I, ummm, I mean, LT, has out there…..

  46. ArmchairGM says:

    anonymous: This is true, it was years before I ever posted. I know a few others who have read for years and have yet to comment.

    As was I, and I suspect many others here.

  47. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    geowal,

    The verbal that Marino wasn’t going to sign with us is months old at this point. Once it’s known he doesn’t want to play with us, we have lost leverage in negotiations. That we got anything for him with his inferred intent to play elsewhere is a plus.

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think he had another year of college eligibility as well which is why our pick is 2021.

    Didn’t expect him to be signed a year early – with that and his bonus laden contract, PIT must be high on him.

  49. Victoria Oil says:

    Just saw the Hlinka-Gretzy highlights of the Canada-Sweden game. Cole Perfetti could make a nice consolation prize to some team that misses out on the Alexis Lafreniere sweepstakes. 74 pts in 63 games as a 17 year old in the OHL. Two regulation breakaway goals and 3 shootout goals today was pretty impressive. Kid has some sick moves.

  50. rickithebear says:

    I am anticipating ( hope) that Holland /Tippett/Playfair will sit Jones and other rovers asses in AHL until they learn to attack without risking their primary role.
    Defending!
    212GA in 17-18 & 18-19 we are in the playoffs.
    Less rovering from Dmen.
    More even Goals from dmen on 4 th option unmarked open shots from circle with no def risk

  51. Revolved says:

    anonymous,

    A lot of great ideas have been kicked around here over the years. Who knows what impact they have had on actual decision makers in hockey. Regardless, I consider posts here kind of like publishing in The Journal of Hockey Math.

  52. Revolved says:

    Even for a Friday in summer 51 comments is too few

  53. Revolved says:

    I think that one issue with the perception of fans and the opportunities given by NHL teams is that they are too tied to pedigree. Just because a player doesn’t break in before he’s 23 doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have three years of NHL quality hockey to give between 25 and 28. This is one reason why draft and college is so good, because it allows these late bloomers to remain as prospects in everyone’s eyes.

    We call them replacement level, but when our bottom six is giving back everything McDavid produces, while other team’s are outscoring the opposition, then clearly there are degrees of replacement level.

  54. Revolved says:

    I will direct your attention to our own Josh Currie. Despite being undrafted, he has improved his production every year of his career since junior until he has graduated to the next league. He has not skipped a step on the ladder and played his first NHL game at 26.

    His RelTeam stats (WOWY aggregate) while in the NHL from corsica.hockey look pretty good:

    CF% = -1.08
    SF% = -0.19
    xGF% = +1.30
    GF% = +15.21
    Rel OZ starts = – 9.98%

    By WoodMoney he only played 17.3% against elites, but killed it in that time:

    RelCompCF% = 7.3%
    RelCompDFF% = 6.9%
    GF% = 66.7%

    And yet, I don’t see anyone giving him a shot to start the year in the NHL. We have been bad for so long, we have definitely lost useful role players along the way.

  55. Revolved says:

    Oh yeah, this is too impressive not to post. Josh Currie by year, league and PPG:

    2009-10 QMJHL 0.31
    2010-11 QMJHL 0.38
    2011-12 QMJHL 0.68
    2012-13 QMJHL 1.53
    2013-14 ECHL 0.44
    2014-15 ECHL 0.59
    2015-16 ECHL 0.92
    2015-16 AHL 0.45
    2016-17 AHL 0.54
    2017-18 AHL 0.68
    2018-19 NHL 0.24

    Up arrows every year

  56. jp says:

    Revolved:
    I will direct your attention to our own Josh Currie.

    IIRC Mark Arcobello had a nice little career after starting on an AHL deal too.

    Not so common, but it does happen.

  57. ArmchairGM says:

    Revolved:
    I will direct your attention to our own Josh Currie. Despite being undrafted, he has improved his production every year of his career since junior until he has graduated to the next league. He has not skipped a step on the ladder and played his first NHL game at 26.

    His RelTeam stats (WOWY aggregate) while in the NHL from corsica.hockey look pretty good:

    CF% = -1.08
    SF% = -0.19
    xGF% = +1.30
    GF% = +15.21
    Rel OZ starts = – 9.98%

    By WoodMoney he only played 17.3% against elites, but killed it in that time:

    RelCompCF% = 7.3%
    RelCompDFF% = 6.9%
    GF% = 66.7%

    And yet, I don’t see anyone giving him a shot to start the year in the NHL. We have been bad for so long, we have definitely lost useful role players along the way.

    He got 4 minutes with McDavid and they scored 2 goals in that span – a sequence that may be skewing his fancies a bit. Although to be fair Currie scored one of those goals and had a 1st assist on the other, which was a wonderful display of McDavid’s awesome hands in tight after Currie found him in the crease from the far corner.

    I’ve raised the very same question before though: with Currie’s superb results in the one short opportunity he had last year, why is he not in the conversation for 13th forward this year? He rarely gets mentioned and I think he should be.

  58. Oil2Oilers says:

    Lowetide: The blog does better in summer than winter, with final week of June and first week of July peak. Comments don’t equal traffic. Appreciate your understanding.

    May one year, in the not to distant future, it do exceptionally well in June for reasons other than the draft.

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