Days Gone Down

This should be a big day for Oilers fans, the organization will no doubt make some transactions (waivers on some, demotion for others) and we could see a claim. Terry Jones trick knee (acquired by climbing stairs at the Lacombe Globe in 1957) tells him we might see a trade. I have a guess after the turn.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, we are celebrating our 2-year anniversary this week. To mark the occasion, you can get 40% off subscriptions here.

  • New Lowetide: The Oilers are poised to break a 25-year-old franchise record this season
  • New Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi’s fast start leads the way for Oilers prospects as 2019-20 gets underway
  • New Lowetide: Joakim Nygard and Gaetan Haas bid for final Oilers spots during a strange game in Calgary
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: An educated guess at the Oilers’ opening-night roster
  • Lowetide: Jay Woodcroft’s Bakersfield Condors might be bound for glory
  • Jonathan Willis: Ethan Bear, Tomas Jurco outshine the competition in second-to-last Oilers preseason game
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Joakim Nygard managing his anger as he eyes spot on Oilers.
  • Jonathan Willis: Assessing the Oilers’ roster as the final positional battles are sorted out
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers cut Evan Bouchard and Shane Starrett. Is Ethan Bear on the cusp of making the team?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ bottom-six forwards, penalty kill shine in loss to Arizona Coyotes
  • Lowetide: Injuries and prospects: A brief Oilers history of devastating derailments
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Connor McDavid’s nearing return and four other things we’ve learned from Oilers camp
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How five months in Kelowna changed Leon Draisaitl’s hockey career
  • Lowetide: Matt Benning may be vulnerable to a trade as Ken Holland works to tweak Oilers roster
  • Lowetide: Three players who helped their Oilers hopes and three who didn’t do enough to separate in Edmonton’s fourth preseason game
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Dreadful showing means several Oilers players are on the chopping block with cuts looming
  • Jonathan Willis: How quickly must the Oilers’ top AHL prospects claim NHL jobs before they become suspect?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: McDavid and more: Five thoughts through the first week of Oilers camp
  • Lowetide: Why Kailer Yamamoto’s delayed training camp may benefit his Oilers career
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Alex Chiasson prepares to return to scoring form for Edmonton Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers’ defensive hopes will rest on the new shutdown pair of Darnell Nurse and Adam Larsson
  • Corey Pronman: Oilers No. 9 farm system.
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

CERTAIN OILERS [18]

The numbers: Forwards five-on-five scoring per 60; Defense Corsi for five-on-five; Goalies five-on-five save percentage.

Everyone among the certain group is healthy and ready to go, that’s the top worry every year. After that, the goalies were poor and Granlund probably doesn’t dress in the first game based on his performance. The defensive possession numbers, while a small sample size, are quality, and you’d like to see them remain that way (plus a few more stops by the goalies).

UNCERTAIN OILERS [8]

The numbers: Forwards five-on-five scoring per 60; Defense Corsi for five-on-five; Goalies five-on-five save percentage.

My estimate of the strongest names for the final five additions to ‘certain’: Ethan Bear, William Lagesson, Tomas Jurco, Joakim Nygard and Colby Cave. I don’t think my list will win the day. Haas and Manning (from the distant bells) have a real chance.

THE DISTANT BELLS [1]

The numbers: Forwards five-on-five scoring per 60; Defense Corsi for five-on-five; Goalies five-on-five save percentage.

Brandon Manning has not outplayed William Lagesson, in fact Caleb Jones is a better option. The only reasons to keep him are to give Lagesson regular work in Bakersfield and the fact Manning can go weeks without playing and not hurt his development. I don’t think it’s enough, but the Oilers may.

CONDORS PRESEASON NUMBERS

Bakersfield Condors Defense and Goalies in two preseason games
Bakersfield Condors Forwards in two preseason games

OILERS FANS AND DEFENSEMEN

Reading online these days, I’m beginning to wonder if Oilers fans value Darnell Nurse at all. That’s sad, because Nurse is a fine defenseman who has 279 NHL games on his resume at age 24. He’s a value deal and based on his foot speed I think he might be able to play until freedom 55. Nurse is not perfect, but his 2017-18 season (have a look at Puck IQ) showed real promise. He’s easily top 4D on this Oilers team and scored 10 goals and 41 points on a team that couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn door a year ago. His contract, this season, is a value deal. He has areas of the game that need work, and I’m not convinced the shutdown duo (Nurse and Larsson) will work. That’s miles from Nurse being the problem, people. I think hyperbole has gotten the best of some of you as it pertains to Mr. Nurse.

On the other hand, Ethan Bear is being heralded as the next great blue, which irritates me. Why? I like Ethan Bear, like his story, like his hard work and skill set. Which means it’ll be impossible to ignore all the negatives from the same bunch who are ripping Nurse now. When Bear struggles this season, and he will because he’s young, the criticism will begin, light like dry timber on the side of a mountain, and we’ll be reading about Bear being the problem for the next five years.

Defensemen are difficult to gauge and progress is a series of ladders with a few snakes thrown in. Do not get ahead of yourself on these young blue. Ethan Bear is a helluva prospect, I like him plenty and have since before his draft day. Don’t ruin his early NHL career for me. Seriously.

Brandon Manning is a strong candidate to be placed on waivers today and my guess is the Oilers will be watching the other waiver players (at 10 this morning) for possible claim tomorrow morning. There are holes. The best names might be goalies and it will be fascinating to see if Ken Holland grabs someone.

As for trades this week, it has to be a defenseman, no? Lots of blood in the water around Matt Benning, so we’ll see if Holland wants to pull the trigger on a deal early or later. For me, Benning offers more experience than Bear, Evan Bouchard or Joel Persson. It would be a nice change of pace to see a general manager who makes sure he can afford to trade a RH defenseman before he actually does. Call it the Jeff Petry rule.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we get the week started with high quality talent (well, the guests are great). Andy McNamara from TSN4Downs talks NFL weekend and the surprises from Sunday. Jason Gregor from TSN1260 talks Oilers and Eskimos at 11, while Pete Jensen from NHL.com talks fantasy hockey and your best bargains this year. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. geowal says:

    hunter1909: People blaming Holland is asinine. Fucker’s been handed the equivalent situation of trying to pick up hot girls while wearing a clown suit.

    Sounds like a premiere of the “joker” movie, except they’ve asked people not to dress up like clowns…

  2. Ryan says:

    hunter1909: People blaming Holland is asinine. Fucker’s been handed the equivalent situation of trying to pick up hot girls while wearing a clown suit.

    Wish we had some room on the 50 man for Sprong, Petan, Baertschi, or Desmith.

  3. Dr. Taboggan says:

    bwar,

    If Colby cave is the 3C to start the season we can look forward to draft posts by November.

  4. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Ryan,

    Or like all 4.

  5. McSorley33 says:

    ArmchairGM,

    All of Gagner, Manning, Smith, Brodziak and Gryba come off the books next summer, that’s $8.85M of largely dead money reappearing. Only Smith needs to be replaced and hopefully Starrett gets a chance to prove he’s that guy this year and signs for around $850k in the off season.

    It would be very nice to see Neal and Russell traded next summer too, that would mean up to 9.75M in new money (depending on what comes back in those trades), with their roster replacements coming from Bakersfield on elc’s: up to $8M in net cap space.

    This could open up $16M (plus any increase to the upper limit) to go towards Nurse’s raise (~$3M) and improvements in the winger situation.

    Of course, if some of the D prospects push up this year then Benning ($1.95M) will be expendable next summer too.
    ***********************************************************************************
    Yes, great points by both of you.

    Hence, the ‘punt’ this year by Holland

    No choice. Chia Pete left the field with 4th and 27

    I do like the philosophical direction Kenny has brought in.- team speed seems to be
    a priority. Plus, no more ‘developing’ prospects in the Show.

    Plus, he hit a grand slam with the Lucic trade.

    In short, I am warming on Mr. Holland.

  6. McSorley33 says:

    OmJo,

    Long time no see.

    MacTavish got fired today.
    *****************************************************
    That happened last week….

  7. silasbengtsson says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    silasbengtsson,

    I think Ho-Sang’s style of play is exactly what they need. He’s a zone entry machine. They don’t have enough skilled players that can cross the blue line with possession.

    In his limited NHL minutes, he’s scored at ~1.70P/60 5v5. It’s no guarantee that it’ll translate full time, but it’s worth a shot over a known dud entity like Granlund. If he’s a perimeter player scoring at that rate, that would have been basically 4th on the oilers F group last season.

    Zone entries are a handy skill but he’s the definition of a perimeter player. He doesn’t attack the middle of the ice like an NHL calibre offensive player needs to. If our aim is to find players that contribute positively to goal shares, I think we can do much better than Ho Sang even within the current waiver wire.

    I’d love to be proven wrong. Maybe all the tape I’ve watched of him is clouded by a bias I don’t know exists or he was coached to play that way. All I can go by is an amalgamation of what I see on the ice and what I see in the numbers (natural stat trick, traditional AHL numbers and hockeyViz chart). None of it paints the picture of an NHL calibre attacker to me. As such, he’s not worth spending a roster spot on.

  8. John Chambers says:

    Ryan: Wish we had some room on the 50 man for Sprong, Petan, Baertschi, or Desmith.

    Beyond Daniel Sprong, I don’t see any of those players as an upgrade.

    I would put Neal, Kassian (15G), Chiasson (22G), and Archibald (12G) ahead of Sprong anyway, so where is this guy going to fit in the lineup?

    Nic Petan? This is an AHL player. Ho-Sang has never even been close to 1 ppg in the AHL. Why would we pick these guys ahead of Benson, Marody, or even Gambardella?

  9. Professor Q says:

    geowal:
    Anybody else having trouble playing the Lowedown after the fact? If I use the audio menu it pulls it up but there’s no play button. And if I look at the twitter links you see when on “listen live”are all just the Twitter symbol (I can’t see the text of what it’s a post of), both these methods used to work. Trying both on chrome and edge.

    I usually try the SoundCloud links, although the past few weeks have seen some issues with them. I can’t get them to work on Brave so I started using Firefox, which worked fine for years, but then the issues started recently. It’s on mobile though, so who knows.

  10. Professor Q says:

    Ryan: Wish we had some room on the 50 man for Sprong, Petan, Baertschi, or Desmith.

    If we picked up Baertschi the Battle Of Alberta R-R-R cycle would continue just nicely.

  11. ArmchairGM says:

    Nit64: Stauffer figures Manning is the 7th D opening night. Probably isn’t reassigned after he clears until Persson is back. Or a new guy comes in.

    Makes sense.

  12. Truth says:

    Ryan: Wish we had some room on the 50 man for Sprong, Petan, Baertschi, or Desmith.

    DeSmith is a no-brainer. Send Koskinen down and hope he asks for a contract termination. If not, it’s -$1.025M off the cap. DeSmith is $1.25M.

    Boom, NHL competent goalie for a net increase of $225k to the cap. Absolute bonus if Koskinen runs to the KHL. The only way this is not a good idea is if they have a deal in place to acquire a goalie for less or a better cap situation. Even if the team somehow beats expectations due to their absolute lack of F depth, they are going to be killed by their horrible goaltending.

  13. Reja says:

    McSorley33:
    OmJo,

    Long time no see.

    MacTavish got fired today.
    *****************************************************
    That happened last week….

    You have to factor in the time change.

  14. rickithebear says:

    Pescador:

    Forwards are primary def for DZ entry reduction
    So Corsi is highly representative of ability for dmen to press rather than colapse from the blue line, because of the forwards.

    Dmen can do 2 things to corsi on their own side.
    1. Reduce the ( scoring potential) shot density of each corsi.
    2. Reduce the shot quality scoreable/ non scoreable.

    Dmen establish a save% baseline to their side based on an accumulation of open ( scorable) density ( success. Rate) shots based on on shot success chart of only open shots. With success rates dramatically higher that the 5:1 HD:LD ratio of all shots.

    Goalie can only be measured by a +ve/-ve performance to established save% baseline to each side.

  15. rickithebear says:

    Goal share is a flawed stat.
    The failure rate of a direct shot is not the same as a pass.

    How many last and 2 Nd last passes fail versus the direct shot.
    Heck some last and 2 Nd last passes do not even make it into the OZ.

    To assign a 1:1 ratio for 1 st and 2nd assists relative to goals is idiocy.

  16. Reja says:

    Once Jesse quit the Oilers I figured GM’s would be more interested the closer the first puck drop happens. With Riley on the shelf I can smell a JP plus for a third line centre that can win faceoffs, kill penalties. Make it happen Holland.

  17. silasbengtsson says:

    rickithebear:
    Goal share is a flawed stat.
    The failure rate of a direct shot is not the same as a pass.

    How many last and 2 Nd last passes fail versus the direct shot.
    Heck some last and 2 Nd last passes do not even make it into the OZ.

    To assign a 1:1 ratio for 1 st and 2nd assists relative to goals is idiocy.

    I fail to see how that argument counters what goal share (GF/GA) is. Passes aren’t relevant or factored in either regular or HD goal share numbers. Is there some other definition of goal share that I’m not privy to?

  18. Woogie63 says:

    Ryan: Wish we had some room on the 50 man for Sprong, Petan, Baertschi, or Desmith.

    Not one of those players are going to move the needle, they are this year’s

    Aberg, Scrivens, Cracknell, Cave, and Zykov

  19. rickithebear says:

    When season ends:
    Any post season thought has to have some cap reference.

    Every year
    The first thing I do is look at next seasons remaining roster players.
    Then look at the players and cap money coming off the season after.

    The end of this season look at coming off after next season is huge.
    It is allways important to how you approach team structure.

    Will allways be grateful for salary sites!

  20. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: The Oilers reallly only have two proven D, Klefbom and Nurse.Larsson had a horrible season last year. He is likely to rebound.So maybe/likely three.A team absolutely requires four.The Oilers are still short on D.

    McDavid and Draisaitl wanted to be paid, so they have to make do with questionable wingers, just like Crosby and Malkin.Crosby took a big home team discount.

    It is easy for a competent GM to find wingers.Not so easy to find D.Holland is competent.

    There are many many teams in this league icing worse dmen than Russell, Larsson and Benning.

  21. Jethro Tull says:

    JimmyV1965: There are many many teams in this league icing worse dmen than Russell, Larsson and Benning.

    Yeah, just not all on the same team.

  22. rickithebear says:

    Lagesson down!

    Damn it!

    But Tipppett must trust bears D!

  23. Wilde says:

    silasbengtsson:

    Zone entries are a handy skill but he’s the definition of a perimeter player. He doesn’t attack the middle of the ice like an NHL calibre offensive player needs to. If our aim is to find players that contribute positively to goal shares, I think we can do much better than Ho Sang even within the current waiver wire.

    I think about the concept of a ‘perimeter player’ a lot.

    I will take any player that can pass outside-in just as I’d take any player that can skate outside-in.

  24. jtblack says:

    “Edmontons Roster is Good Enough.
    Edmontons Roster is Good Enough.
    Edmontons Roster is Good Enough.”

    Just practing for Wed Night

  25. Numenius says:

    Reja:
    Once Jesse quit the Oilers I figured GM’s would be moreinterested the closer the first puck drop happens. With Riley on the shelf I can smell a JP plus for a third line centre that can win faceoffs, kill penalties. Make it happen Holland.

    Hey, that’s punctuation. I like it.

  26. defmn says:

    Bob Stauffer
    ‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer
    3h3 hours ago

    Stauffer projected line-up to start season:
    Jurco-McDavid-Neal
    Nygard-Draisaitl-Kassian
    Granlund-RNH-Chiasson
    Khaira-Cave-Archibald

    Nurse-Larsson
    Klefbom-Bear
    Russell-Benning

    Smith
    Koskinen

    Extras:
    Haas, P.Russell, Manning

    IR: Sheahan, Persson, Brodziak

  27. rickithebear says:

    silasbengtsson: I fail to see how that argument counters what goal share (GF/GA) is. Passes aren’t relevant or factored in either regular or HD goal share numbers. Is there some other definition of goal share that I’m not privy to?

    Real goal share is players (goals/ devided by teams total goals)

    I am confusing point share which is related to goal performance with assists assigned 1:1 with goals.

    Goal share is another poor Win affect measure attempting to assign a single value
    for:
    -3 independent complex phase of play.
    Even
    Power play
    Penalty kill
    -with 2 goal diff portions
    Goals for
    Goals against
    -Driven by diffrent analytical actions
    Trap,
    entry,
    corsi
    Density ( forced point of release)
    Quality (Open/ Closed)
    Open save %
    assigned to a every position as if they are equal.
    They are independent actions by position.

    Yep I mixed the 2! Fucking memory!

    //Neal Armstrong is sitting down pre mission.

    A scientist comes in Sits at the table next to Armstrong.

    Turns to Neal and says,
    “Neal one of our scientists came up with a way to take a 2 variable approach to going to the moon and create a single number called moon share.”
    “It is a way for mgmt to express the chance of making it to the moon to politicians who have a simple understanding of complex science.”
    “That single number says Gemini program is best suited to making it to the moon.”

    Armstrong, “you trust this number.”

    Scientist, “yes”

    Armstrong pulls out a gun and shoots the scientist in the head.

    Armstrong turns to Buzz, “ I want to make it THEIR, and BACK!” “ALIVE”

    Buzz Aldren, “scientific managers”, “ fucking idiots”

    Military Police, “we will clean that dumb fuck up for you sirs”

  28. pts2pndr says:

    Bob Arctor:
    LT: I’m curious what you think the line in the sand for Nurse’s development should be? He’ll pass 300 gp and turn 25 this season. He’s getting closer to the final product. I’m sure lots of the pushback against Nurse is coming from people having to listen to others advance the narrative that Nurse has plenty of road left to develop. Nurse might be an outlier and suddenly turn into the second coming of Chris Pronger at age 26, but chances are greater that he is what you see right now. What’s that worth on the next contract? No one is saying trade Nurse for a 2nd and 5th.

    This is just my opinion but from what I have observed through longevity is that there are a number of athletes that get by on their immense skill and they take longer to learn some of the subtle nuances of the mere mortals in their sport. I believe Nurse is one of these supremely talented players that because he can get by on his skill will take a little longer to become the complete player. I believe that Nurse may not reach his full potential until 27 or 28 but will be a bonafide star until he is 34 or 35.

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  30. Justthestatsman says:

    Reja: You have to factor in the time change.

    Bwa Haa Haa! Well done.

  31. Lowetide says:

    Bob Arctor:
    LT: I’m curious what you think the line in the sand for Nurse’s development should be? He’ll pass 300 gp and turn 25 this season. He’s getting closer to the final product. I’m sure lots of the pushback against Nurse is coming from people having to listen to others advance the narrative that Nurse has plenty of road left to develop. Nurse might be an outlier and suddenly turn into the second coming of Chris Pronger at age 26, but chances are greater that he is what you see right now. What’s that worth on the next contract? No one is saying trade Nurse for a 2nd and 5th.

    In 2016-17, with Adam Larsson, Darnell Nurse played 268 minutes against elites, with a 48.1 Dangerous Fenwick and a 50 percent goal share. The pairing did NOT come close to it a year ago.

    I would like to see if that pairing can do it again. If they can, what do you think Nurse is worth?

  32. drglen says:

    so where does this leave Haas?

    Is Haas practicing with the team?

  33. Lowetide says:

    drglen:
    so where does this leave Haas?

    Is Haas practicing with the team?

    I think Haas makes the team, he’s still here. Waivers could change things.

  34. rickithebear says:

    Wilde: I think about the concept of a ‘perimeter player’ a lot.

    I will take any player that can pass outside-in just as I’d take any player that can skate outside-in.

    Most simple question!
    Can you pass outside-in with zero players in!

    More complex question:
    How often is an outside-in pass successful.
    Cause the in person is covered in strong HD area def.

    Much prefer an In to in pass cause the in passer is likely being pressed and good chance the reciever might be uncovered.

    Rank of penetration Preferences:
    Open corsi over Closed corsi
    In open corsi
    In to in pass resulting in open corsi
    Out to in pass resulting in open corsi
    Out open corsi

    You did not think about HD penetration enough!

    But your complex differentiation was a nice look at the concept of penetration!

    Your point made me smile!

  35. blainer says:

    Just catching up after a busy day..

    Tippet gaining my respect a little more today after putting Gags on waivers.

  36. JimmyV1965 says:

    Don’t we have guys in the minors who have produced more than Ho Sang and Sprong at the same level, or any of the other waiver wire guys? What’s the point of picking them up?

  37. Harpers Hair says:

    blainer:
    Just catching up after a busy day..

    Tippet gaining my respect a little more today after putting Gags on waivers.

    Oilers should have bought him out when they had the chance.

  38. rickithebear says:

    JimmyV1965: There are many many teams in this league icing worse dmen than Russell, Larsson and Benning.

    Russell The #1 Closed corsi dman Russell
    Larsson Repetitive top 20 corsi penetration reducers to his side.
    Benning Current career top 50 corsi penetration reducersto his side.

    “DEFENCEman”:

    “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

  39. pts2pndr says:

    OilClog:
    RNH playing 3C is an insult to hockey.

    Won’t take too many scoreless periods for this unicorn nonsense to play itself out.

    Offense is going to look alil mule’ish, hopefully we can bore the opposition asleep as some folks clearly are clamoring for.

    I would think it prudent to wait and see. Nothing speculated = nothing accumulated.

  40. jp says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Don’t we have guys in the minors who have produced more than Ho Sang and Sprong at the same level, or any of the other waiver wire guys? What’s the point of picking them up?

    Ho Sang, I agree. Sprong is interesting though. He scored just like Benson as a first year pro, except with 32 goals instead of 15. And he scored 14 NHL goals last year (ie – more than all but 5 current Oilers).

  41. SVR says:

    Oilman99: Agree, some idiots should just be blocked.

    Where’s OP today?

  42. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jethro Tull: Yeah, just not all on the same team.

    Wings, Pens, Senators, Rangers, Hawks, Jets, Stars, Ducks, Kings, Knights, Canucks are all icing multiple dmen worse then the guys we have. What we’re missing is a stud who floats all boats. Depth we have.

    PS. I just did this list off the top of my head. I didn’t check actual rosters.

  43. Mr DeBakey says:

    verdad2.0:
    Nurse is pure garbage.
    HIs pre-season proved it yet again.
    Too stupid to play defense.
    Flush him asap.

    Aaaah, Nostalgia
    It IS what it used to be!

  44. Ryan says:

    Woogie63: Not one of those players are going to move the needle, they are this year’s

    Aberg, Scrivens, Cracknell, Cave, and Zykov

    Desmith had .916 in 36 games last season for $1.25m. That’s .916 in the NHL. I’m assuming you’re acquainted with our goalie stats last season?

    Plenty of goalies going thru waivers better than Smith, and cheaper too.

    Sprong scored 14 goals in 47 games. Cap hit is 750 k.

    I’d probably take Sprong over Chaser.

  45. GMB3 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Don’t we have guys in the minors who have produced more than Ho Sang and Sprong at the same level, or any of the other waiver wire guys? What’s the point of picking them up?

    Because they are offensively talented forwards? And we need those? I’d rather have 4 guys who are elite scorers in the AHL than two, as it probably doubles the odds that we get an impact F in the NHL.

    Ho-Santa defensive metrics in the NHL are good according to RAPM (last season anyways)

  46. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear,

    Defensemen that only defend are always defending.

  47. Ryan says:

    GMB3: Because they are offensively talented forwards? And we need those? I’d rather have 4 guys who are elite scorers in the AHL than two, as it probably doubles the odds that we get an impact F in the NHL.

    Ho-Santa defensive metrics in the NHL are good according to RAPM (last season anyways)

    Holland is looking like a rookie.

    Domingue and Desmith on waivers already and we committed to 37-year-old Smith.

    Cave is on the roster and we won’t claim Sprong.

    Over 2 m for Chiasson.

  48. knighttown says:

    Jaxon: PS – this is a well reasoned, nuanced arguement. Not sure I agree with all of it, but you made good, reasnable observations. (rebound note notwithstanding)

    I hadn’t read your post before posting. Very illuminating. I stand corrected on the rebounds.

    Grr. I wish I liked his upside because I believe his floor is REALLY high. I wonder if it’s personal bias for me. I simply love those rocking chair defenders like Chris Pronger circa 2006. Darnell has always been Erik Johnson for me; A hyper-toolsy freak athlete without the elite toolbox. But perhaps I should remember that Shawn Kemp was a pretty good ballplayer even if he wasn’t Larry Bird.

  49. Ben says:

    @KurtLeavins
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    8m
    The #Oilers have optioned F Ostap Safin to the Witchita Thunder. He had been in camp in Bakersfield.

    Hope he can get rerailed #derailed

  50. texmex says:

    Any chance Gagner pulls a Byfuglien and steps away from the game rather than go to Bakersfield?

    The guy bought a home in Edmonton and has a new born baby at home

  51. duct tape and foil says:

    texmex:
    Any chance Gagner pulls a Byfuglien and steps away from the game rather than go to Bakersfield?

    The guy bought a home in Edmonton and has a new born baby at home

    Baby needs a new pair of shoes.

    $3.15 million buys a lot of shoes

    No way he (or anyone else) walks away from a last pay day that big.

  52. texmex says:

    duct tape and foil,

    Sammy has made over 30 million in his career. That’s a lot of shoes.

    And the baby’s mommy is a medical doctor. More shoes!!

  53. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Oilers should have bought him out when they had the chance.

    I was surprised it was Sekera. Gagner in my best Arnold voice.”I’ll be back”

  54. Jaxon says:

    knighttown: I hadn’t read your post before posting. Very illuminating. I stand corrected on the rebounds.

    Grr. I wish I liked his upside because I believe his floor is REALLY high. I wonder if it’s personal bias for me. I simply love those rocking chair defenders like Chris Pronger circa 2006. Darnell has always been Erik Johnson for me; A hyper-toolsy freak athlete without the elite toolbox.But perhaps I should remember that Shawn Kemp was a pretty good ballplayer even if he wasn’t Larry Bird.

    It’s a tough one. I think we notice his mistakes more because he plays so many damn minutes and many against elites. I’m not sure he’s making more mistakes than any other top 3 D. I also firmly believe that Russell had a very negative effect on him. Deflections of blocked shots are chaos. It doesn’t give you possession, it just relocates the possession instantly to someone else on either team. Russell also gives up the Blueline to easily to get the chance to block. Both those factors must drive his partners crazy.

    I still think Nurse is a good distance from reaching his potential. I think many D (especially big D) reach their potential between 27 and 29, so he has 4 to 6 years left of improving. I’m not sure he’ll ever be Pronger in his prime but I still believe hell be a great D in the conversation with those player types. Big, mean, mobile, offensive minute munchers that help win playoff series. Scott Stevens, Chris Pronger, Zdeno Chara, Shea Weber, Brent Burns, Dustin Byfuglien, Denis Potvin, Larry Robinson, Chris Chelios, Victor Hedman. If not in the same conversation as these players he’ll be in a tier just below them.

  55. Yeti says:

    texmex: Any chance Gagner pulls a Byfuglien and steps away from the game rather than go to Bakersfield?

    I imagine he’d try racking up points in Bakersfield and getting a recall before calling time on his career. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he plays part of the season in Edmonton.

  56. Wilde says:

    Quotes from Mr. Leon via Spector’s latest:

    “The system is almost the same. It’s a matter of us players buying in,”

    “He’s not coming in here and changing the entire system.”

    Hmm.

    Also, extra point: in the same article, Spec calls Chiarelli’s work ‘near criminal’.

    I’ll suggest reading the reporting, a couple interesting quotes alongside some amusing (to me) bits.

  57. DBO says:

    Expect Sprong to get claimed by Ottawa. Seems like a good landing spot and they have need for young skill.

  58. Harpers Hair says:

    SVR: Where’s OP today?

    Saw on Twitter his wife is returning from two weeks away in Europe.
    Might be hectoring or might not.

  59. Harpers Hair says:

    Reja: Iwas surprised it was Sekera. Gagner in my best Arnold voice.”I’ll be back”

    Yep.
    Not buying out Sekera, not signing Chiasson or Granlund would buy you a top six forward.

  60. Abbeef says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Except there were very few top 6 wingers available (even less elite)and of the ones who were most signed for too much, too long or both. It was not a good year for top 6 winner shopping via free agency.

  61. jtblack says:

    Who knows how long or how often Tippett has Drai and McD on separate lines.

    ÌMO Tippett looked at the Body of Work and said 2 Good coaches (McLennan & Hitchcock) deployed the 1 power line and had little success. Little success; even with career years by MCD & DRAI

    Maybe Tippett Believes the only way to have a chance is to get 2 or 3 lines going; even at the cost of splitting up the Dynamic Duo.

  62. knighttown says:

    This Oilers forward roster is unique in my history of watching the sport. They have three elite forwards all in the top-24 in TOI per game last year; with McDavid and Draisaitl numbers 1 and 2. After that they have a dozen interchangeable replacement level players. Dom’s Tweet was hyperbole but not by much. It is possible to replace every winger on our team with waiver wire wingers and not have the bottom fall out of it.

    To strategize around this unique situation what about going with only 3 centres?

    If you kept all of 97/29/93 off the PK that removes, what, 5 minutes per game? Add back in about a minute on average to account for the dozen games that go to overtime.

    You’ve got 56 minutes of evens, PP and OT to cover in each game.

    McDavid played 23/game. Drai played 22.5. Nuge 20. That’s over 65 minutes per game. All are young players who should have fresh legs but even still, you could bring down each guy by a minute on average and still make it work.

    This also causes the other coach to either sit their 4th line or risk having McDavid carve it up so we’re dictating matchups for once.

    I might give it a shot until Sheahan comes back at least.

  63. Jethro Tull says:

    Ryan: Holland is looking like a rookie.

    Domingue and Desmith on waivers already and we committed to 37-year-old Smith.

    Cave is on the roster and we won’t claim Sprong.

    Over 2 m for Chiasson.

    Now, we can never know who’s getting waived all the way back when, but I do believe a good GM can look at other rosters, particularly those with at least 3 goalies all better than ours and figure out one will shake loose.

    He basically signed players available every year on waivers and called it “stability and depth”.

    I don’t believe any team has been built from the bottom six up.

  64. Jethro Tull says:

    jtblack:
    Who knows how long or how often Tippett has Drai and McD on separate lines.

    ÌMOTippett looked at the Body of Work and said 2 Good coaches (McLennan & Hitchcock) deployed the 1 power line and had little success.Little success; evenwith career yearsbyMCD & DRAI

    Maybe TippettBelieves the only way to have a chance is to get 2 or 3 lines going; even at the cost of splitting up the Dynamic Duo.

    Remember Hitch’s verbal when taking over? About spreading offense around and not playing the tar out of Connor and Leon? I believe it lasted 3 shifts.

    If you don’t have piss cutters on the second line, at least provide players that can saw off.

    Other teams will just ignore and box out the big three centers and take the game to the weak wingers.

  65. drglen says:

    Hopeful signs.

    Speed, some history of scoring.. don’t overpay.. don’t sell low.

    This would be a really good year for Khaira to really find his game and score.

    Good year for Kass to score/check and stay out of box.

    Play smith 65/25 v Koskinen or about that.

    Neal could click ,

    I’m just not sure what to expect from chaisson, and his preseasons doesn’t concern me. In certain games he can be a difference maker.

    Who do we have down there… this year maybe Benson gets called ( to play with NUGE) after 30 games.. Looking at the unicorn projections.. poor Nuge I wish he had some scorers with him. Nuge is a good rebound scorer though, so ‘shoot first’ linemates helps his game. Too bad about Burdy.. he may have given us something.

    Do you think there is any chance JP asks to rejoin the team in December? or would that be dumb.

    And then, there’s Yamamoto. Can’t believe I’m bringing him up before game 1…

    Smith’s going to play well. We need , what , 10 more points than last year to make the playoffs? or about that.. 5 to 6 more wins. I think we have a team that can do that and I think we match even against pacific division teams. Actually the Pacific team that I think may cause us the most concern is San Jose on account of Burns Karrlson.

  66. Dr. Taboggan says:

    If the Oilers waived all of their current wingers who would get claimed on waivers?

    I would wager none.

  67. Harpers Hair says:

    Abbeef:
    Harpers Hair,

    Except there were very few top 6 wingers available(even less elite)and of the ones who were most signed for too much, too long or both.It was not a good year for top 6 winner shopping via free agency.

    They don’t have to be elite to be more effective than the Oilers wingers.
    Hell, the cap strapped Canucks have added Michael Ferland, JT Miller, Josh Leivo, and Tanner Pearson in the last 12 months.
    Which group do you like better?

  68. Harpers Hair says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    If the Oilers waived all of their current wingers who would get claimed on waivers?

    I would wager none.

    Khaira.
    That’s it.

  69. drglen says:

    Ryan,

    Chaisson is overpaid, but was also underpaid last year. I don’t mind him.. good player.. might end up getting ‘net front’ powerplay time and he’s good at deflections.

    Sit tight on the goalies. We’ve actually got two good goalies… don’t be jumping for waived goalies. he should see if these two will indeed push each other.

    Team looks OK… and we’ve got Connor and Leon.

    Hey maybe Evander Kane is going to come free… ( nah.. I think Calgary would grab him)

  70. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Maybe Khaira because he is cheap, not because he is particularly good.

  71. drglen says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Yep, .. about three shifts and then he basically played them all game. Typically we’d spot them a 2 or 3 goal lead ( the Talbot factor).. and Leon and Connor would play the rest of the way.. pull the goalies and hope for win in the shootout. (that sounds about right)… it worked some of the time.

    he also took personal responsibility for JPs development on the team… and then it’s like… OK… you were right.

  72. drglen says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Khaira is looking good… but .. will he score. He would get claimed for sure.. Khaira is a very good trade piece. But let’s see how he does. I think he does better when he’s not with the high end guys, cause then he thinks he has to pass to them and defer. He looks best on a line of similar levels, like we have.. He looks confident there.

  73. Dr. Taboggan says:

    drglen,

    Is Khaira a good trade piece? He scored 3 goals last season and has averaged .27 pts/gm in his career. Pretty meh.

  74. digger50 says:

    Claim Sprong and play him with Nuge and Khaira

    And please claim a goalie.

  75. dessert1111 says:

    The team is in a good spot to add Sprong and send Haas down for a bit. I could see them making a small deal for a 3C too instead. With the verbal and the fact they waived Gagner I think it’s possible we see something…

  76. drglen says:

    Dr. Taboggan,

    ya good point. lol 3 .. is not 13… but he’s on the team because GM and coach see the value, and I think in khairas case, other GMs and coachs also see the value. Is he trending up? ( increased trade value)… I think his preseason says yes. Don’t sell low on Khaira.

  77. hunter1909 says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    drglen,

    Is Khaira a good trade piece? He scored 3 goals last season and has averaged .27 pts/gm in his career. Pretty meh.

    Got’s to love how Oiler fans just freaking cannot wait to trade away every fucking half decent player for more magic beans.

  78. drglen says:

    dessert1111,

    no… don’t bring anybody in. This is a good group and a competitive group.. ( and Haas is going to be good, and I think should play right now) .. Roll with what we have.. it’s a competitive team.

    The only thing to bite on is a 2RW, via trade bundle. We should not be looking at bottom 6 waives right now at all..

    I’d be keeping my eye on the Drouin situation in montreal.

  79. texmex says:

    dessert1111,

    I believe the oilers are 7th on the pecking order for waiver claims based on last seasons standings. Will 6 other teams pass on him (well 5 teams since Ana put him on waivers)?

  80. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: They don’t have to be elite to be more effective than the Oilers wingers.
    Hell, the cap strapped Canucks have added Michael Ferland, JT Miller, Josh Leivo, and Tanner Pearson in the last 12 months.
    Which group do you like better?

    The one that didn’t cost a lottery pick in either of next two drafts

  81. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Yep.
    Not buying out Sekera, not signing Chiasson or Granlund would buy you a top six forward.

    Please stop. This is not a true statement.

  82. Professor Q says:

    Are people really turning on Holland before the season starts?

    Yikes. We really are in a sad state of affairs as a fanbase if we’re that twitchy.

  83. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Please stop. This is not a true statement.

    Yes it is.

  84. Abbeef says:

    Harpers Hair: They don’t have to be elite to be more effective than the Oilers wingers.
    Hell, the cap strapped Canucks have added Michael Ferland, JT Miller, Josh Leivo, and Tanner Pearson in the last 12 months.
    Which group do you like better?

    Ferland 3.5m for four years
    Miller 5.25m for 4 more years
    Leivo 26 years old 133 career games 46 career points
    Pearson 3.75m 2 more years

    My opinion on these players is
    Ferland too long of contract. PASS
    Miller. TAKE
    Leivo just adds another bottom 6, doesn’t move the needle. PASS
    Pearson could help. TAKE

    The 2 I would take were from trades. We were talking about using cap space to pick up wingers. These 2 weren’t available for cap space so they have nothing to do with the discussion.

  85. Abbeef says:

    Harpers Hair: Yes it is.

    Again tell me which top six winger free agent would be available that wasn’t overpaid either with cap hit or term. The Vancouver example does not prove this in the least.

  86. Harpers Hair says:

    Abbeef: Ferland 3.5m for four years
    Miller 5.25m for 4 more years
    Leivo 26 years old 133 career games 46 career points
    Pearson 3.75m 2 more years

    My opinion on these players is
    Ferland too long of contract. PASS
    Miller. TAKE
    Leivo just adds another bottom 6, doesn’t move the needle.PASS
    Pearson could help. TAKE

    The 2 I would take were from trades.We were talking about using cap space to pick up wingers.These 2 weren’t available for cap space so they have nothing to do with the discussion.

    Ferland is 27. Why is 4 years too long?
    Miller can be counted on for 20+ goals playing the top 6
    Leivo is a possession pisscutter. and just needs more opportunity.
    Pearson is a former 24 goal scorer on a Kings team that couldn’t score a lick.

    You know the Oilers can make trades too, right?

  87. Wilde says:

    rickithebear,

    I think that any third pass with an ‘in’ destination is deadly no matter what because of the implications of the player movement that makes that happen.

    As for in to in, if that’s someone skatning outside in and then making the pass to another player in a high danger area, that’s probably a lower success rate pass than anything that could be characterised as that above play I just mentioned.

  88. Wilde says:

    Professor Q:
    Are people really turning on Holland before the season starts?

    Yikes. We really are in a sad state of affairs as a fanbase if we’re that twitchy.

    Twitchy? My dude has a long, long career.

  89. Harpers Hair says:

    Abbeef: Again tell me which top six winger free agent would be available that wasn’t overpaid either with cap hit or term. The Vancouver example does not prove this in the least.

    Ferland is not overpaid in either dollars or term

    His cap hit is slightly more than Gagner’s and he’s three years younger.

  90. Dr. Taboggan says:

    I don’t necessarily mind Holland taking a conservative approach to the offseason but then why the Sekera buyout and Chiasson contract? Just sign more plugs at league minimum and ride out the year (and another year of Sekera’s contract). It makes no sense.

  91. hunter1909 says:

    Professor Q:
    Are people really turning on Holland before the season starts?

    Yikes. We really are in a sad state of affairs as a fanbase if we’re that twitchy.

    On so many levels I 100% agree with you.

    On the other hand since 2001 or so I’ve been following this medicine show of a franchise. MacT’s 8 games then sacked by those non-impressed by 5 cups dynasties former soviets really hits it home for me. lol

  92. hunter1909 says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    I don’t necessarily mind Holland taking a conservative approach to the offseason but then why the Sekera buyout and Chiasson contract? Just sign more plugs at league minimum and ride out the year (and another year of Sekera’s contract). It makes no sense.

    Holland is allowed to trade all season long if I understand how the NHL operates.

  93. hunter1909 says:

    Okay I’m going to shock you all and say I really don’t give much of a flying fuck about music but if any of you like cinema on it’s highest plane check out “Generation War” a 4.5 hour I guess made for tv movie made by the Germans. A WW2 story that will blow your tiny minds! It certainly blew mine.

  94. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Yes it is.

    Abbeef: Again tell me which top six winger free agent would be available that wasn’t overpaid either with cap hit or term. The Vancouver example does not prove this in the least.

    The larger issue with the argument (keep Sekera, don’t sign Chiasson or Granlund = top 6 winger) is that those moves retain a veteran D while leaving about $2M to replace Chiasson and Granlund on the roster (with one of the replacements being a top 6 winger). The original statement was not a true statement. And whether Ferland is worth 4X$3.5M is moot.

  95. drglen says:

    Dr. Taboggan,

    sekera, I believe , he believed… he was going to be injured and then you’d have another big problem. Too risky, in other words. Chaisson, you’ve got a point.. . good player and I don’t know all the details of the contract.. ok wait looked it up.. 2 years at 4.3.. so 2. 15 ish per year… yes that is much too high. Not all that much too high mind you.. I’d say he well worth 1.5 to 1.7 in that range.. .

    he’s a really useful and versatile player that won’t hurt you, bit of an overpay for sure overall. Could we replace Chaisson and could we survive his loss from the roster…. probably yes.

    I’m fully agree with the sekera buy out though. I never saw him return close to form when he came back ( put him even or just under benning) . and very likely to reinjure. That sounds mean Andre and I”m sorry. Prove me wrong! ( great year in Minny)

  96. drglen says:

    hunter1909,

    agreed.. new side topic!

  97. Seismic Source says:

    Baertschi and Sprong would beat out guys in our 12. That’s all.

  98. Abbeef says:

    Harpers Hair: Ferland is not overpaid in either dollars or term

    His cap hit is slightly more than Gagner’s and he’s three years younger.

    So they could have signed Ferland who scored less than Chiasson last year and will probably be slightly better this year for 1 million more and 2 years more, no thanks. 80% of the league’s contracts look better than Gagners so that is a useless comparison.

    Of course Edmonton can make trades but we were talking about the players Edmonton could have signed with the money from not signing Chiasson buying out Gagner.

  99. JimmyV1965 says:

    Abbeef: Ferland 3.5m for four years
    Miller 5.25m for 4 more years
    Leivo 26 years old 133 career games 46 career points
    Pearson 3.75m 2 more years

    My opinion on these players is
    Ferland too long of contract. PASS
    Miller. TAKE
    Leivo just adds another bottom 6, doesn’t move the needle.PASS
    Pearson could help. TAKE

    The 2 I would take were from trades.We were talking about using cap space to pick up wingers.These 2 weren’t available for cap space so they have nothing to do with the discussion.

    Agree with this assessment. Signing top six UFAs does not solve problems. It creates them. You think people would realize this in Vancouver and Edmonton.

  100. Material Elvis says:

    jp: Please stop. This is not a true statement.

    If you keep repeating the same message, eventually you start to believe it.

  101. jp says:

    drglen:
    Dr. Taboggan,

    Chaisson, you’ve got a point.. . good player and I don’t know all the details of the contract.. ok wait looked it up.. 2 years at 4.3..so 2. 15 ish per year… yes that is much too high.Not all that much too high mind you..I’d say he well worth 1.5 to 1.7 in that range…

    he’s a really useful and versatile player that won’t hurt you, bit of an overpay for sure overall. Could we replace Chaisson and could we survive his loss from the roster….probably yes.

    Chiasson was likely the wrong signing for the Oilers (in that his salary could theoretically have been supplemented and used to sign a UFA “top 6 forward”).

    But I dunno. Combining his last 2 seasons Chiasson is 212th in points for NHL forwards. His salary is 243rd. Shrug.

  102. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair: Ferland is 27. Why is 4 years too long?
    Miller can be counted on for 20+ goals playing the top 6
    Leivo is a possession pisscutter. and just needs more opportunity.
    Pearson is a former 24 goal scorer on a Kings team that couldn’t score a lick.

    You know the Oilers can make trades too, right?

    Harpers Hair: Ferland is 27. Why is 4 years too long?
    Miller can be counted on for 20+ goals playing the top 6
    Leivo is a possession pisscutter. and just needs more opportunity.
    Pearson is a former 24 goal scorer on a Kings team that couldn’t score a lick.

    You know the Oilers can make trades too, right?

    Ferland didn’t score a single goal
    In his last 17 regular season games and 7 playoff games. His icetime was dropped to 10 minutes by the playoffs. Like all UFAs who hit the open market, his previous team did not want him at his market price. The only successful UFAs are the marginal players who get paid virtually nothing. Maybe Ferland defies the odds and works out. It’s very unlikely and it doesn’t make it a good signing. It makes it a lucky signing.

  103. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair: Ferland is not overpaid in either dollars or term

    His cap hit is slightly more than Gagner’s and he’s three years younger.

    Seriously. Gagner is a shining example of why you don’t sign free agents.

  104. jp says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Ferland didn’t score a single goal
    In his last 17 regular season games and 7 playoff games. His icetime was dropped to 10 minutes by the playoffs. Like all UFAs who hit the open market, his previous team did not want him at his market price.The only successful UFAs are the marginal players who get paid virtually nothing.Maybe Ferland defies the odds and works out. It’s very unlikely and it doesn’t make it a good signing. It makes it a lucky signing.

    Connolly will be an interesting case study though.

  105. Harpers Hair says:

    Abbeef: So they could have signed Ferland who scored less than Chiasson last year and will probably be slightly better this year for 1 million more and 2 years more, no thanks.80% of the league’s contracts look better than Gagners so that is a useless comparison.

    Of course Edmonton can make trades but we were talking about the players Edmonton could have signed with the money from not signing Chiasson buying out Gagner.

    Abbeef: So they could have signed Ferland who scored less than Chiasson last year and will probably be slightly better this year for 1 million more and 2 years more, no thanks.80% of the league’s contracts look better than Gagners so that is a useless comparison.

    Of course Edmonton can make trades but we were talking about the players Edmonton could have signed with the money from not signing Chiasson buying out Gagner.

    You seem to have missed the part about not buying out Sekera and not signing Granlund.

  106. Harpers Hair says:

    JimmyV1965: Agree with this assessment. Signing top six UFAs does not solve problems. It creates them. You think people would realize this in Vancouver and Edmonton.

    Well then…no top six wingers for you!

  107. Material Elvis says:

    JimmyV1965: Agree with this assessment. Signing top six UFAs does not solve problems. It creates them. You think people would realize this in Vancouver and Edmonton.

    I’m sure we will hear the same faulty argument a few more times; it’s been like a broken record around here lately for certain posters. We’ve gone over this a thousand times.

    Four year contracts for non-core players is a failure, historically. Why would you give one to Michael Ferland or Benoit Pouliot or Antoine Roussel or Andrew Ference or….

    JT Miller cost a first round draft pick. That is a huge price to pay for the Canucks. The Oilers cannot afford that; I don’t think the Canucks can afford that. I’m glad Holland didn’t do that.

    The other guys aren’t difference makers — I’m not sure why DSF keeps referencing them. It’s like trying to impress your buddies with your sports car that turns out to be an 80’s Mustang LX with the four cylinder engine.

  108. tileguy says:

    hunter1909:
    Okay I’m going to shock you all and say I really don’t give much of a flying fuck about music but if any of you like cinema on it’s highest plane check out “Generation War” a 4.5 hour I guess made for tv movie made by the Germans. A WW2 story that will blow your tiny minds! It certainly blew mine.

    Netflix?

  109. razor says:

    Very happy to see the Gagner waiver today. This, and the demotion of the young AHL guys early shows maturation of the organization. Last spring, fans and ownership (including Keith Gretzky) we’re falling over each other on how awesome it was to have Gagner back in an Oilers uniform. But if we’re honest with ourselves, Gagner is very one dimensional and he doesn’t cut it for top 6 NHL. Tippet saw this. No way this happens without both Holland and Tippet here.

  110. Bag of Pucks says:

    Gagner waiver today reminded of his draft mate, Alex Plante. Now there’s a name if you want to complain about slow developing defenceman. At least Nurse can skate.

    From Plante to Broberg. This org IS getting better if you look from the right angles.

  111. Scungilli Slushy says:

    From the days of yore I have not been a supporter of Gagner as a top 6 contributing overall player. Points he scores but I want more.

    However at this point in his career I would say his demotion has far more to do with his salary than what he actually does. At a low salary he’s probably on this team.

  112. godot10 says:

    I wonder if Columbus would trade for Gagner, 50% retained by the OIlers, for their power play. I guess we find out tomorrow.

  113. CallighenMan says:

    Harpers Hair: Yep.
    Not buying out Sekera, not signing Chiasson or Granlund would buy you a top six forward.

    20/20 Troll-sight is nice, eh?

  114. hags9k says:

    Jaxon,

    THANK YOU! I feel like everyone is taking crazy pills.

    Nurse is a fantastic player who is not yet at his ceiling. Should have been signed long term last off season.

    “Elite D tend to show themselves early…”
    Not all of them guys!

  115. rickithebear says:

    Wilde:
    rickithebear,

    I think that any thirdpass with an ‘in’ destination is deadly no matter what because of the implications of the player movement that makes that happen.

    As for in to in, if that’s someone skatning outside in and then making the pass to another player in a high danger area, that’s probably a lower success rate pass than anything that could be characterised as that above play I just mentioned.

    I think???

    Nooooooo!

    If you had stated:
    I looked at a 40 gm sample of 5 strong gf teams even goals for.

    From the 1038 evg I observed
    – The 4 Corsi penetrations % to be.
    In corsi
    In to in corsi
    Out to in corsi
    Out corsi

    Their is clear trends requiring more complex look over last 2 seasons.
    Like a high % of direct penetration Un challenged open IN corsi to undefended side of Rovers HD area.

    Video (undying eye) based, first 2 levels of soft, review quickly identifies high affect SOE choices to further study to identify systematic robotic repetition of high success SOE.

    My father among others taught me this.

    My father has not known who I was for 2 years.
    But he accepts that I am who people say Imam when I come to visit.

    We talk about the things he did with me that I loved the most.
    It makes him smile and you see the pauses with smile we’re he remembers slight moments.

    We talk about our past.
    It re- inforces what I have learned.

    One time he asked me when he was most frustrated by his work.
    1. Involved in Steve Truscott victim search. Found the body placed and positioned in a way no boy could do it.
    – He said those “ meatheads” ( RCMP) were going to convict him no matter what.
    – My Uncle ( moms side) did not soften the stance when he was discharged from RCMP.
    He arrived at his first domestic and rather quickly beat the guy unconcious.
    – Was not until death of my Moms close friends husband “ RCMP officer Don King” that he softened his stance. He regretted his label. ( we are not the clothes we wear, we are individuals)

    2. Using remote sensing and thermal technology to find proper laying position of Clifford Olson victims.
    That agreement sickened him. ( victims should be protected in human rights)

    3. Helping build the Argentine satellite tracking stations and Program (he was the world leader)during the Falkland war. Knowing his only ( non defensive misses) Exocet was responsible for deaths.
    And Knowing they would try to fault with on board military Personel
    Leading command were 2 stupid to know the ability of excocet.
    (It is OK to advance, but almost any advance will lead to death)

  116. Numenius says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    From the days of yore I have not been a supporter of Gagner as a top 6 contributing overall player. Points he scores but I want more.

    However at this point in his career I would say his demotion has far more to do with his salary than what he actually does. At a low salary he’s probably on this team.

    Tippet made his main reasons clear in his presser.

    1) To be in top 6 you need speed, To be in bottom six you need to pk, and Gagner has/does neither.
    2) We don’t want to lose Russell to waivers, which would be more likely than Gagner.

    The first shows it has quite a bit to do with what Gagner does, though the second presumably has something to do with what he makes.

  117. Munny says:

    Numenius,

    I don’t think they’re unhappy he’s in the org. It’s actually a benefit that at his salary, they know he’ll clear waivers and thus they will have vet skill on call in the minors in case of injuries or widespread anemic play.

    Sure it would’ve been better if they had had the caps space instead. (Or even better, Strome) . But they could’ve bought him out and didn’t this summer. That’s a choice… knowing full well what would likely transpire in pre-season.

    It’s expensive depth at the cost of $3M and change, but that’s part of the reason why it exists.

    I also think it’s affected by the desire to send Laggy down to get more reps in the A, rather than sitting in the PB here. Because that means expensive depth Manning on the roster.

  118. OilFan en Puerto says:

    hunter1909,

    Hey hunter, thanks for doing this!
    Please mark me down with 97 points and 15 for JP!
    Cheers.

  119. Kmart99 says:

    I don’t care how bad his attitude is. If Sprong can put up 14 goals over 47 games as a 21 year old, he’s more valuable than one of Granlund, Archibald, Khaira, Sheahan, Haas, P Russell, Cave. I’d say bye bye to Cave myself and bring in Sprong. I’m guessing he’s claimed before the Oilers get a crack at him though.

  120. Wilde says:

    rickithebear,

    As you know, typically those South American military dictatorships dealt out their violence to people and in places that Thatcher and Reagan wouldn’t give a damn about.

    The stupidest of the stupid (when it comes to war and despair) seems to always come from those that were allowed to do some of it as long as it was against peasants, farmers and trade unionists; then all of the sudden, bam! The sadistic and stupid people that were given the weaponry started doing stupid and sadistic things with it.

    In my circles, sometimes people will call these wars pointless or thoughtless or wasteful. I think that’s naïve, controlled losses are still controlled.

  121. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: Yep.
    Not buying out Sekera, not signing Chiasson or Granlund would buy you a top six forward.

    Something tells me that you don’t understand math. Let’s work out your formula in numbers, shall we?

    Not buying out Sekera: + $3.0M cap hit
    Not signing Chiasson: – $2.15M
    Not signing Granlund: – $1.3M
    Cap space made available: $450,000

    So your statement adds less space to the cap than league minimum, you can’t add ANYONE for that amount let alone a top-6 forward. The statement is factually incorrect.

    Of course, if Sekera is on your roster you can back out Bear’s $720k cap hit now, leaving you with $1.17M. But, you have to bring in 2 players to replace Chiasson and Granlund, putting you back in an impossible situation again. On its own, this just isn’t true.

    I agree that Holland could have added a top-6-type player over the summer – say Dzingel or Connolly – but your statement is an oversimplification of the cap situation.

  122. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair:
    You seem to have missed the part about not buying out Sekera and not signing Granlund.

    Again, buying out Sekera SAVED the Oilers $3M in cap space. Your argument is nonsensical.

  123. ArmchairGM says:

    Material Elvis: I’m sure we will hear the same faulty argument a few more times; it’s been like a broken record around here lately for certain posters.We’ve gone over this a thousand times.

    Four year contracts for non-core players is a failure, historically.Why would you give one to Michael Ferland or Benoit Pouliot or Antoine Roussel or Andrew Ference or….

    JT Miller cost a first round draft pick.That is a huge price to pay for the Canucks.The Oilers cannot afford that;I don’t think the Canucks can afford that.I’m glad Holland didn’t do that.

    The other guys aren’t difference makers — I’m not sure why DSF keeps referencing them.It’s like trying to impress your buddies with your sports car that turns out to be an 80’s Mustang LX with the four cylinder engine.

    I’d rather give a mid-range UFA an extra year than give up a 1st round pick for a mid-range player who is already overpaid. Hands down.

  124. Professor Q says:

    Wilde: Twitchy? My dude has a long, long career.

    I’m not sure if you’re referring to your nether regions, agreeing with me, or disagreeing with me (or just being sarcastic)?

  125. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    rickithebear,

    – Steven Truscott: that case has always fascinated me. Your father found Lynne’s body?!

  126. who says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    From the days of yore I have not been a supporter of Gagner as a top 6 contributing overall player. Points he scores but I want more.

    However at this point in his career I would say his demotion has far more to do with his salary than what he actually does. At a low salary he’s probably on this team.

    I don’t think his salary had anything to do with his demotion. His replacement costs a minimum of 750 thousand. At best the Oilers save 350 thousand off the cap.

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