The 31 best players in the 2020 draft

The Oilers’ season has been successful and that meant most of my time devoted to the day-to-day. This week, I took some time and finally drilled down on the 2020 draft. A reminder: My list doesn’t resemble other lists because it relies on math over scouting. Ideally, an NHL team might go through its final list and tweak based on math. I believe there are teams who do in fact pay attention. Los Angeles Kings for sure. Here’s the top 31.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Pierre Lebrun: Q&A with GM Ken Holland on Oilers’ deadline plans and why the regular season is important, until it isn’t
  • New Lowetide: Ken Holland’s trade deadline options for the Oilers
  • New Jonathan Willis: ‘That’s the nicest goal I’ve ever seen’: Connor McDavid’s teammates amazed by his latest effort
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers notebook: James Neal’s resurgence, Matt Benning’s injury and the Tyler Benson recall temptation
  • Lowetide: Oilers farmhands are pushing hard for NHL jobs
  • Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian’s breakout performance presents Oilers GM Ken Holland with a familiar dilemma
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland, the Oilers amateur procurement department and the 2020 draft
  • Jonathan Willis: It would be a mistake to write off the Oilers after their December slump
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: From Leon Draisaitl to the penalty kill, the things the Oilers need to improve to get back to the playoffs
  • Lowetide: A shift-by-shift analysis of Kailer Yamamoto’s 2019-20 debut in the Oilers’ New Year’s Eve game.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: James Neal puts on New Year’s Eve show to remember in Oilers’ thriller
  • Lowetide: Midseason review of ‘reasonable expectations’ shows Oilers are on track with preseason targets
  • Jonathan Willis and Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How are our Oilers predictions holding up at the midseason mark? We decided to find out
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers midseason report card shows an unbalanced team with a lot of replaceable parts
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019

THE 31 BEST PLAYERS FOR THE 2020 DRAFT

1 L Alexis Lafreniere, QMJHL. He’s a wizard passer with the puck and can score goals with equal aplomb. Speed, shot, passing, vision, he has it all. Only downside? He’s an October 2001, so has less development time than some others. Whoever wins the lottery, this will be their choice.

2 LC Quinton Byfield, OHL. He’s an August 2002 and a big man (6.04, 215) already. He skates well, can pass, take a pass and has a dynamic ability to him. He did not set the world on fire at the WJ’s, that could impact his final draft number. It’ll be important for him to finish strong.

3 LC Cole Perfetti, OHL. Intelligent center with a terrific release, Perfetti is a January 2002. His wrist shot is already a great weapon in the OHL and he’s not fully grown (5.10, 177). Once he adds strength, he should be a formidable player. Has some range.

4 RW Alexander Holtz, SHL. First-shot scorer with a range of skills, he’s an electric player. He went 3-2-5 in seven games at the WJ’s, and in the SHL he has five goals and eight points in 21 SHL games. That’s deceiving, because all eight points are at evens. He currently boasts a 1.98 points per 60 at evens this year. He’s quality. January 2002.

5 LC Tim Stuetzle, DEL. This is the first player I encountered who was mostly unfamiliar to me. Dynamic player, highlight reel offense and dangerous on every rush. His two-way game is good for his age, but everyone is focused on his offense. January 2002.

6 LC Marco Rossi, OHL. Posting jaw-dropping numbers, he’s a September 2001 so will get nicked a little on my list because of it. Good speed, exciting, range of skills. He starts here, that doesn’t mean he’ll stay outside the top five.

7 LW Lucas Raymond, SHL. Like Holtz, the offense in the SHL (3-2-5 in 16 games) is deceiving. Raymond’s five on five points per game at evens is 1.84/60 and that’s in very little time. Smart player who has ridiculous skill, his WJ’s might hurt him in the draft. March 2002.

8 RHD Jamie Drysdale, OHL. I’d like to say the Oilers won’t draft another defenceman, but if Drysdale is available Edmonton will take him. He won’t be anywhere near Edmonton’s number if the season rolls out as it is now. Great speed, passing and instincts, he’s instant offense from the blue. Part of Canada’s WJ Gold winner. April 2002

9 LC Anton Lundell, SHL. He’s in his second year of SHL play (October 2001) and is very capable at that level. That suggests he’s a good bet to have a career, but his average speed and offense give him a limited ceiling ala Lias Andersson. I think his offense and mature game make him worth the bet.

10 RC Mavrik Bourque, QMJHL. Creative center with great hands, he’s a puck wizard who can ‘wow’ the crowd. He’s also damned productive. Great passer, great shot. Oilers have to be looking at him in my opinion. January 2002.

11 RC-RW Dawson Mercer, QMJHL. Highly skilled forward who is a plus passer. He emerged a year ago and is taking another step this season (very good sign). I have him as an “Oilers option” due to skills and position. October 2001.

12 G Yaroslav Askarov, VHL. He plays an unusual style and that might scare some teams off, but the buzz on this fellow is strong. June 2002, has a .922SP and is likely to go in the top half of the first round. Ken Holland has drafted a goalie in the first round (Thomas McCollum) but it was at the end of the round (No. 30 in 2008). Struggled at WJ’s, but he’s rated highly.

13 LW Dylan Holloway, Big 10. Big power forward has a lot of buzz around him, could land inside the top-10 overall. He has a great shot and makes good passes, strong skater, nice range of skills. I’ve faded him a little in favor of more promising offensive options.

14 RW Noel Gunler, SHL Young winger has a great release and an impressive resume but is just 30, 1-7-8 in the SHL. However, those are even strength points and his five on five per 60 (1.71) suggests he is doing well with very little ice time. October 2001

15 LC Connor Zary, WHL. He’s in the mix for a mid-first pick, scouts will love his range of skills and passing ability. Two-way center who is likely to top out as a top-six forward is a good bet by this point in the first round. September 2001.

16 RC Jacob Perreault, OHL. Some disagreement about a few things among scouts but math loves him. Skates well, great shot, great numbers. Observers want more. I’m impressed with what he’s delivered. April 2002

17 RHD Justin Barron, QMJHL. Mobile defenseman who impresses scouts with his ability to transport the puck. He can defend. Lacks top-end offensive ability so is shy of the top-10 overall, but a team who likes him might jump up. November 2001.

18 LC Hendrix Lapierre, QMJHL. Skill center who projects as a playmaker. The buzz on him entering the season was far more pronounced than it is now, so the second half of his season will be vital. Feb 2002.

19 RC Jean-Luc Foudy, OHL. Speedy center with plus skill, he’s a May 2002 and has 61 assists in 99 junior games. His brother is a famous prospect, not certain how he compares but in this year’s draft looks like mid to late first round.

20 LD Jérémie Poirier, QMJHL. Smart two-way defender who may rise on my list. Solid from the Hlinka forward, he’s a gathering storm and could slide up several spots. June 2002

21 RD Braden Schneider, WHL. Fine skater who has a range of skills, owns a fairly complete game. Schneider’s offense is comparable to most of the defenseman I have in the first round. Sept 2001

22 RW Jack Quinn OHL He’s a solid offensive prospect and has improved this season in foot speed and overall game. We’ll have to observe him in the second half but there’s some promise. Sept 2001

23 LW Jake Neighbours WHL I was surprised math liked him so much compared to his draft rivals. I have spoken to scouts who have him as an early second round pick, but he’s here on math. He’s skilled, gritty and plays a strong two-way game. March 2002

24 LW Rodion Amirov, KHL. His offensive potential is high, although the KHL numbers (21, 0-2-2) are shy. Scouts love the tools and he’s a fast train in a draft season with slow boats. October 2001

25 LC Ty Smilanic, USHL. Lean two-way center with enough skill to project into the top six based on math. Scouting report talks about plus skating and finding another gear. Promising resume. January 2002

26 LC Antonio Stranges, OHL Terrific speed and skill, and delivers solid offense but the math doesn’t match the verbal. We wait. Feb 2002 21.34

27 LC Thomas Bordeleau, USHL. Owns a great shot and is highly skilled with the puck. First shot scorer, year over year improvement looks substantial. He could climb. Jan 2002

28 LD Jake Sanderson, USHL. This is Geoff Sanderson’s son and he can skate like the wind. Smart player, does not project as an offensive defenseman but he can defend and that has value. July 2002

29 LD Kaiden Guhle, WHL. Big defenseman has good foot speed and appears to have something resembling an ideal skill set. I’m nicking him because of math, he’ll go earlier. Jan 2002

30 LC Vasili Ponomaryov, QMJHL. Great hands and good speed, he’s a little under the radar but rates well with other skill forwards I have ranked in the bottom half of the first round. March 2002

31 RC Justin Sourdif, WHL. Two-way winger gained notice at the Hlinka and has scored well on an average offensive team (Vancouver Giants). First man on this list who doesn’t necessarily project as peaking out on a skill line. March 2002

OILERS MOCK!

No. 20 overall (first round) RHC Jacob Perreault, Sarnia Sting (OHL). I chose him because Perreault’s skill set has many dimensions, including one of the best shots in the draft. He’s 36gp, 24-23-47 this season and as an April 2002 he has plenty of room to grow while in junior. Good skater, shoots from everywhere and is one of those players who catches goalies with a quick release, shot from a bad angle. Has an effective backhand shot. This selection assumes that Mavrik Bourque and Dawson Mercer are off the board.

No. 51 overall (second round) RD Helge Grans, Malmo Redhawks (SHL). He has a lot of things Ken Holland has drafted in the past: Size and speed, plus a range of skills. The scouting reports I’ve read focus a lot of time on his mobility. He’s 10, 1-1-2 in the SHL and is averaging 7:59 a night.

No. 113 overall (fourth round) RW Connor McClennon, Winnipeg Ice (WHL). Not much buzz about him but this is a scoring winger who can shoot the puck and make a quality pass. He’s 39, 20-27-47 so far this year, undersized but not a shy player. Has some injuries in his history.

No. 144 overall (fifth round) RD Billy Constantino, Soo Greyhounds (OHL).  Fast as lightning, high risk and reward defender. I had him as a second round player last year, he turns 19 in March. I like him.

No. 175 overall (sixth round) RW Ryder Rolston, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). This is Brian’s son, I picked him because he’s a fast winger and I do think the Oilers will be focused on this area later in the draft. He is posting good numbers in the USHL (25, 13-13-26) on his way to Notre Dame in the fall.


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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points percentage shown at points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL 17
    DAL 10
    COL 10

    Pacific
    ARI 9
    VGP 8
    VAN 7

    Wildcard
    WPG 7
    EDM 6

    Out of playoffs
    CGY 6
    NSH 3
    MIN 3
    CHI 0
    SJS -3
    ANA -4
    LAK -6

    -EDM has tie break with CGY via 19 regulation wins compared to 15

    Relevant game today:

    WPG (+170) at TOR (-200) – No value here. I bet TOR lights up Hellebuyck. TOR minus half a goal (betting that TOR wins in regulation only) is -125, that might be worth a couple units.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings using points percentage shown at points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Metropolitan
    WSH 21
    NYI 15
    PIT 14

    Atlantic
    BOS 17
    TBY 12
    TOR 9

    Wildcard
    CAR 9
    PHI 7

    Out of playoffs
    FLA 6
    CBJ 6
    NYR 2
    BUF 2
    MTL -1
    NJD -5
    OTT -6
    DET -19

    -TBY finally looks like TBY on a regular basis. Have won 8 in a row. Hung 9 on the Dys last night to end their win streak at 7.
    -Looks like TBY and TOR are leaving FLA in the dust for 3rd in Atlantic so unless FLA chops wood and carries water for a while I’ll swtich my interest to the EC wildcard race.
    -What Torts is going in CBJ should win him the Jack Adams.

    Relevant games today:

    WSH (-125) at PHI (+105) – WSH played last night, but PHI has lost 4 in a row. No idea.

  3. Litke 94 says:

    I am already a little bit worried about tomorrow’s game. Montreal having now lost what, 7 games in a row? Last night’s loss to Detroit was a bad one too, leading in the 3rd and can’t even get a point. I can only imagine what the verbal is today in the media.

    On the surface, seems like a very winnable game for the Oilers, aka a situation that they have been very vulnerable in all season long.

    On one hand, I seem to recall some pretty good games from Edmonton in Montreal over the past couple of years, and maybe after last night’s loss and the plethora of injuries, the white towel has been thrown. On the other hand, maybe they are pissed off, hungry for a win, and come out guns blazing. Hard to predict.

  4. Wonder Llama says:

    I’ve always wanted a Perreault on the Oilers. I still wear no. 11 in beer league for Gilbert.

  5. Reja says:

    Wonder Llama:
    I’ve always wanted a Perreault on the Oilers. I still wear no. 11 in beer league for Gilbert.

    French Connection one of the greatest lines ever.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Yeah….Gene Hackman was great

      Popeye’ Doyle: All right, Popeye’s here! get your hands on your heads, get off the bar, and get on the wall!

  6. Stud Muffin says:

    Is there confirmation thAt the 7th rounder is actually going to the Leafs? It’s hard to imagine whatever the conditions were that Vesey would have met them.

  7. jtblack says:

    -TBY finally looks like TBY on a regular basis. –

    I think TB could take over 1st in Atlantic by year end. Playoffs is a coin toss, but one thing for sure, nobody will catch Tampa off guard this playoffs. East is a tough road to the Cup.
    TB
    BOS
    TOR
    WASH
    PITT (How are they doing it?)

    Go TB

  8. jtblack says:

    “No. 113 overall (fourth round) RW Connor McClennon, Winnipeg Ice (WHL). Not much buzz about him but this is a scoring winger who can shoot the puck and make a quality pass. He’s 39, 20-27-47 so far this year, undersized but not a shy player. Has some injuries in his history.”

    23 Points in his last 11 Games. Dynamite. coincides with Krebs coming back as his centre.

    RNH draft year he was barely over 1 ppg during 1st half of the season and then tore the cover off it during the back half. McClennon *could* finish with 40 G 100 P. Math likes that.

  9. jtblack says:

    LT: Player to keep an eye on. Ridly Grieg (BRANDON) C.
    35 PTS in 36 GMS.

    Great skill. Aug 2002. Very intersted to see his back half. Might be around for round 3,4 or 5.

  10. doritogrande says:

    Did the US NTDP fall into an elevator shaft this year, or are you listing those players as USHL?

    I was impressed enough with Drysdale at the Tournament of Small Sample Sizes that I consider reaching for him at 3. He’s a bigger Cale Makar, and I like those things.

  11. Lowetide says:

    Stud Muffin:
    Is there confirmation thAt the 7th rounder is actually going to the Leafs? It’s hard to imagine whatever the conditions were that Vesey would have met them.

    I believe the condition was Vesey signing and believe it is gone.

  12. PaperKurtRussell says:

    Great to see Jack Quinn on your list. I used to curl with his parents before, during and after his birth. Hard to believe that was 18 years ago! Reminds me that I gotta get out to a 67’s game soon. I gotta shake down his dad for tickets because I know he has free ones for every home game!

  13. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide,

    Interesting that you nicked Rossi so much for being 18 days older than Lafreniere. He’s outscoring everybody this side of Connor McDavid in the OHL including Perfetti (#3) who is just 3 months younger, I’d really like to see the “math” that concludes Perfetti should go 3 spots higher.

  14. dustrock says:

    LT: Crazy to me at least that you have 6 guys from the Q and 6 from the O in your top 20, that may be the first time in some years the Q has had such elite representation.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      6 guys from the Q in the top 20.

      Do you rank all CHL leagues equally? or do you weight the the Q vs the O vs the W differently?

      Because it seems to me that the math would rate the O as a superior league to the other two.

      • dustrock says:

        Yeah historically I believe it’s OHL and I can’t remember how WHL vs. QMJHL breaks down.

  15. leadfarmer says:

    So which left handed defensemen are we going to pick.

    I kid I kid,

    Sort of

  16. leadfarmer says:

    BTW I like the new stacked comments LT.

  17. leadfarmer says:

    I think the moral of todays post is.
    Dont Trade this years first round pick!!!

  18. geowal says:

    As someone who never played minor hockey, I’ve never been able to grasp the Birthday cutoff issue. Can someone explain it to me, where the development time issue comes from, which are the “bad” and “good” months to be born relative to draft year, how eligibility works, and which year (I see both ‘01 and ‘02 here)?
    Please and thanks.

  19. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    BTW I like the new stacked comments LT.

    I don’t. I hate threaded comments.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      I like the threaded comments. I used to feel bad when my non-analytics/non-math comments would interupt a good analytics thread. In fact for the longest time I used to hold back my comments until the trhead had closed or nearly closed so as not to interupt.

      This format makes much more sense to me. It has the potential to minimize interuptive arguments as well.

      OP and BoP can have thier own side threads. 🙂 …… but Im not so sure it will slow HH down in any way 🙂

      Interesting experiment at the very least.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors play tonight.

    I know Samorukov won’t be back in the lineup (maybe on the weekend) but at wondering if Starrett may get the net? He backed up Skinner last game so must be getting close.

    Here is hoping that Benson continues his hot streak and keeps his name in the minds of management (Currie as well as a dark horse).

    Recall Benson has good not great in the first half last season and then caught fire for the second half – similar to how things are going this year.

    Hopefully Maksimov continues his recent uptick in play and production and hopefully get some PP1 time in the second half.

  21. dustrock says:

    geowal,

    https://www.nhl.com/stars/news/outliers-a-myth/c-677844

    I believe it was because the cutoff for sports programs is often January 1st, so the players born earlier in the year will have more of an advantage because they have 10-12 more months of growth compared to the younger players, which at say age 8 or 9 could make a huge difference.

  22. Andy Dufresne says:

    jtblack:
    -TBY finally looks like TBY on a regular basis. –

    I think TB could take over 1st in Atlantic by year end.Playoffs is a coin toss, but one thing for sure, nobody will catch Tampa off guard this playoffs.East is a tough road to the Cup.
    TB
    BOS
    TOR
    WASH
    PITT (How are they doing it?)

    Go TB

    All I care about in the East is Toronto and Boston matching up in the first round.

    Tampa Bay vs Washington would be fun to watch

  23. jtblack says:

    Oilers current 2020 draft slots (estimated).

    #16
    #47
    #107
    #138
    …….

    If Ken adds before the deadline, I do hope it doesn’t involve the 1st or 2nd.

  24. who says:

    leadfarmer:
    BTW I like the new stacked comments LT.

    I don’t.
    I prefer to read this blog in chronological order. If someone responds to one of my comments I’m likely not even going to see it. I’m not going to keep scrolling back looking for new comments.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      You still have the option to “Quote” which most people seem to be doing.

      Will be interesting to see over time which feature most people use and why.

      Which feature enhances communication? The chronological one or the one which attempts to segment conversations into more logical/coherent/easy to follow blocks(threads).

      Seems to me that this new system might make it a bit easier for our host to moderate the sight. Smart move on his part to introduce the new feature while maintianing the old feature. Giving people a choice and seeing over time what affect the change has. The Pros and the Cons.

      Definitely has the potential to eliminate/minimize offenses/confusion caused by responding to the wrong poster.

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    Go Leafs!

    Go Kings!

    Trap game tomorrow night for the Oilers – they should have all sorts of confidence and are playing a super injured and super struggling team in their 3rd game in 4 nights.

    One main difference between a bubble team and a legit team is legit teams don’t often “fall in to the trap” – of course, it happens, elite teams lose to bottom feeders and tired teams and struggling teams all the time but its the exception for good teams.

  26. Gerta Rauss says:

    PaperKurtRussell: during his birth

    Now that’s dedication to your sport

    Hurry.!…hurry hard..!

  27. russ99 says:

    who: I don’t.
    I prefer to read this blog in chronological order. If someone responds to one of my comments I’m likely not even going to see it. I’m not going to keep scrolling back looking for new comments.

    It seems to work the old way on my mobile/tablet browsers.

  28. jtblack says:

    geowal:
    As someone who never played minor hockey, I’ve never been able to grasp the Birthday cutoff issue. Can someone explain it to me, where the development time issue comes from, which are the “bad” and “good” months to be born relative to draft year, how eligibility works, and which year (I see both ‘01 and ‘02 here)?
    Please and thanks.

    The NHL has to set a cutiff of some sort They set it as a birthday cutoff of Sep 15th.

    That leads to some players being almost 1 year apart in age.

    Lafrienierre is an Oct B day, so he was not eligible last year (past Sep 15th cutoff), even though he had played 2 yesrs of junior. This is his 3rd season in junior.
    Byfield, who is in the same draft class, is an Aug B day. He is 10 months younger than Lafrienierre; but being directly compared.

    So kids that are late bdays are usually nicked a little as they are older than most of their draft peers.

    For excellent players , it doesn’t matter much (Matthews was a late b day). But it should be a considerstion when evaluating the the players.

  29. Gerta Rauss says:

    If we’re scoring at home it’s a big fat no to threaded comments for me, but I’ll respect whatever format our host decides upon

  30. Bank Shot says:

    geowal,

    The cutoff age for minor hockey is Jan 1st, but the cutoff date for the NHL draft is September 15th.

    So if you are a player such as Lanfreniere or Evan Bouchard who was born late in the calendar year it means you are too young to get into the NHL draft year that the rest of your peers growing up will enter.

    That’s why you will see players born after Sept. 15th will have played 3 years of junior hockey on draft day rather than 2 years like most draftees.

    While having a late birthday is a disadvantage growing up in minor hockey, always being one of the youngest on the team, it turns into an advantage at draft time as the late birthdays will have an extra season of hockey over their peers.

  31. ArmchairGM says:

    LT:

    I thought I’d take a look at each of your top-31 by NHLe as I was expecting you to post these numbers. NHLe’s are rounded to the nearest whole number and players are re-ordered from highest to lowest with your ranking left in. I also separated forwards from defenders, as they shouldn’t be evaluated on the same plane IMO.

    6 LC Marco Rossi, OHL. 63

    1 L Alexis Lafreniere, QMJHL. 51

    2 LC Quinton Byfield, OHL. 50

    3 LC Cole Perfetti, OHL. 45

    11 RC-RW Dawson Mercer, QMJHL. 38

    16 RC Jacob Perreault, OHL. 35

    15 LC Connor Zary, WHL. 34

    22 RW Jack Quinn OHL 33

    10 RC Mavrik Bourque, QMJHL. 30

    23 LW Jake Neighbours WHL 26

    19 RC Jean-Luc Foudy, OHL. 24

    5 LC Tim Stuetzle, DEL. 22 (using Manny Elk’s factor)

    30 LC Vasili Ponomaryov, QMJHL. 22

    9 LC Anton Lundell, SHL. 21 ** actually plays in Liiga **

    18 LC Hendrix Lapierre, QMJHL. 21

    26 LC Antonio Stranges, OHL 21

    27 LC Thomas Bordeleau, USHL. 21

    31 RC Justin Sourdif, WHL. 21

    4 RW Alexander Holtz, SHL. 19

    7 LW Lucas Raymond, SHL. 15

    25 LC Ty Smilanic, USHL. 15

    14 RW Noel Gunler, SHL 13

    13 LW Dylan Holloway, Big 10. 11

    24 LW Rodion Amirov, KHL. 6

    ***************************************

    8 RHD Jamie Drysdale, OHL. 28

    20 LD Jérémie Poirier, QMJHL. 20

    21 RD Braden Schneider, WHL. 18

    17 RHD Justin Barron, QMJHL. 15

    29 LD Kaiden Guhle, WHL. 15

    28 LD Jake Sanderson, USHL. 11

    Playing in pro leagues really kills a player’s NHLe – I think the factor would be much more useful if it was adjusted by age as well.

    ( Notes:

    In the case of a tie I ordered the players by LT’s rank.
    I got lazy and used ECAC factor for USHL scores.
    As much as possible I used this calculator: https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_nhle.php)

  32. Dicky94 says:

    jtblack,

    I hope so too, but I could see the 2021 first in play packaged with some prospects to bring in someone who could help.

  33. ArmchairGM says:

    Litke 94:
    I am already a little bit worried about tomorrow’s game. Montreal having now lost what, 7 games in a row? Last night’s loss to Detroit was a bad one too, leading in the 3rd and can’t even get a point. I can only imagine what the verbal is today in the media.

    On the surface, seems like a very winnable game for the Oilers, aka a situation that they have been very vulnerable in all season long.

    On one hand, I seem to recall some pretty good games from Edmonton in Montreal over the past couple of years, and maybe after last night’s loss and the plethora of injuries, the white towel has been thrown. On the other hand, maybe they are pissed off, hungry for a win, and come out guns blazing. Hard to predict.

    Detroit has 10 wins on the season. Three of them came vs Montreal. Ouch.

  34. ArmchairGM says:

    PaperKurtRussell:
    Great to see Jack Quinn on your list. I used to curl with his parents… during… his birth.

    Now THAT’S a story I’d like to hear!

  35. leadfarmer says:

    who: I don’t.
    I prefer to read this blog in chronological order. If someone responds to one of my comments I’m likely not even going to see it. I’m not going to keep scrolling back looking for new comments.

    Thats kind of the point. Short of being able to block people’s responses this is the easiest way to ignore derailed discussions.

    • Bag of Pucks says:

      Agreed. If someone wants to share 10 consecutive posts on their favourite Butter Chicken recipe, the thread is a better format, as opposed to using the board as a glorified pulpit for someone’s topic of choice.

      It also shows engagement. If someone is genuinely interested in starting or continuing discussions, as opposed to simply broadcasting opinions, an active thread can lend some structure to help with that.

      Will be interesting to see how the usage evolves organically.

  36. Dicky94 says:

    Litke 94,

    I’m hoping the Oilers learned their lesson in December.

  37. geowal says:

    Bank Shot:
    geowal,

    The cutoff age for minor hockey is Jan 1st, but the cutoff date for the NHL draft is September 15th.

    So if you are a player such as Lanfreniere or Evan Bouchard who was born late in the calendar year it means you are too young to get into the NHL draft year that the rest of your peers growing up will enter.

    That’s why you will see players born after Sept. 15th will have played 3 years of junior hockey on draft day rather than 2 years like most draftees.

    While having a late birthday is a disadvantage growing up in minor hockey, always being one of the youngest on the team, it turns into an advantage at draft time as the late birthdays will have an extra season of hockey over their peers.

    Good explanation (you and others above). I figured it had to be that complicated, with differing NHL vs minor cutoffs resulting in conflicting tradeoffs

  38. Woogie63 says:

    Nope, I am not going to talk about the draft, we have meaningful hockey being played.

    I think Benson would be a much better 4LW than Khaira, and Gambradella should be the 13 forward.

  39. ArmchairGM says:

    who: I don’t.
    I prefer to read this blog in chronological order. If someone responds to one of my comments I’m likely not even going to see it. I’m not going to keep scrolling back looking for new comments.

    Agree. If this blog had some sort of notification when someone responded to my comment that would make it workable, but as it is it actually stifles conversation.

  40. dustrock says:

    PaperKurtRussell:
    Great to see Jack Quinn on your list. I used to curl with his parents before, during and after his birth. Hard to believe that was 18 years ago! Reminds me that I gotta get out to a 67’s game soon. I gotta shake down his dad for tickets because I know he has free ones for every home game!

    line’s good. HARD! HARD! HURRY HARD!

    *waaaaaaaaaaaaah*

    cute as a button, right in the button

  41. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Go Leafs!

    Go Kings!

    Trap game tomorrow night for the Oilers – they should have all sorts of confidence and are playing a super injured and super struggling team in their 3rd game in 4 nights.

    One main difference between a bubble team and a legit team is legit teams don’t often “fall in to the trap” – of course, it happens, elite teams lose to bottom feeders and tired teams and struggling teams all the time but its the exception for good teams.

    Any idea if Gallagher is going to be back? He made the trip to Detroit but didn’t play, so he must be close. I’m not sure that having him play the Oilers in his first game back from concussion is a great idea the way they’re playing…

  42. who says:

    leadfarmer: Thats kind of the point.Short of being able to block people’s responses this is the easiest way to ignore derailed discussions.

    Yeah I get why it was done. But I don’t mind debating someone who is responding to my posts with the other side of the argument.
    I have no trouble ignoring the obvious trolls. It blows me away, how many people on this blog feel the need to respond to someone yanking their chain.

  43. Andy Dufresne says:

    ArmchairGM:
    LT:

    I thought I’d take a look at each of your top-31 by NHLe as I was expecting you to post these numbers. NHLe’s are rounded to the nearest whole number and players are re-ordered from highest to lowest with your ranking left in. I also separated forwards from defenders, as they shouldn’t be evaluated on the same plane IMO.

    6 LC Marco Rossi, OHL. 63

    1 L Alexis Lafreniere, QMJHL. 51

    2 LC Quinton Byfield, OHL. 50

    3 LC Cole Perfetti, OHL. 45

    11 RC-RW Dawson Mercer, QMJHL. 38

    16 RC Jacob Perreault, OHL. 35

    15 LC Connor Zary, WHL. 34

    22 RW Jack Quinn OHL 33

    10 RC Mavrik Bourque, QMJHL. 30

    23 LW Jake Neighbours WHL 26

    19 RC Jean-Luc Foudy, OHL. 24

    5 LC Tim Stuetzle, DEL. 22 (using Manny Elk’s factor)

    30 LC Vasili Ponomaryov, QMJHL. 22

    9 LC Anton Lundell, SHL. 21 ** actually plays in Liiga **

    18 LC Hendrix Lapierre, QMJHL. 21

    26 LC Antonio Stranges, OHL 21

    27 LC Thomas Bordeleau, USHL. 21

    31 RC Justin Sourdif, WHL. 21

    4 RW Alexander Holtz, SHL. 19

    7 LW Lucas Raymond, SHL. 15

    25 LC Ty Smilanic, USHL. 15

    14 RW Noel Gunler, SHL 13

    13 LW Dylan Holloway, Big 10. 11

    24 LW Rodion Amirov, KHL. 6

    ***************************************

    8 RHD Jamie Drysdale, OHL. 28

    20 LD Jérémie Poirier, QMJHL. 20

    21 RD Braden Schneider, WHL. 18

    17 RHD Justin Barron, QMJHL. 15

    29 LD Kaiden Guhle, WHL. 15

    28 LD Jake Sanderson, USHL. 11

    Playing in pro leagues really kills a player’s NHLe – I think the factor would be much more useful if it was adjusted by age as well.

    ( Notes:

    In the case of a tie I ordered the players by LT’s rank.
    I got lazy and used ECAC factor for USHL scores.
    As much as possible I used this calculator: https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_nhle.php)

    Its possible that, in the new system, all who had material (or as OP would call it material material) to add to the statistical conversation would repsond to ArmchairGm’s post as a “Reply” creating a very rich block of posts….whereas those who are just commenting like I am doing here would do so as a “Quote” and not interupt the material material. 🙂

    Good post by the way ArmchairGM. Thank You.

  44. Durag says:

    I hope we get Mavrik Bourque based on name alone.

  45. dustrock says:

    It’s tough because this isn’t a message board with threads that continually get new pages.

    I can definitely see the attraction for certain topics as Andy mentioned before so everything is collected in one place, but I too will read the blog in the morning and then usually check again in the evening/before bed.

    I’m highly unlikely to scroll back to the beginning of the thread when I’m checking at night.

  46. ArmchairGM says:

    Woogie63:
    Nope, I am not going to talk about the draft, we have meaningful hockey being played.

    I think Benson would be a much better 4LW than Khaira, and Gambradella should be the 13 forward.

    How about that Shane Wright kid though, eh? Eh?

  47. McSorley33 says:

    McSorley33:
    TSN is out with their Top NHL affiliated prospects

    https://www.tsn.ca/russian-players-dominate-top-spots-in-tsn-s-ranking-of-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1424251

    The Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers didn’t have any prospects make the list.

  48. Woogie63 says:

    I was looking at LITR today. TML used their huge profits to use LTIR to create more cap space this year. However they will lose two of those contracts next year, which about $10M in cap space. They have to sign FIVE defensemen to new contract so this is going require tough choices.

    There are 40 players on LTIR, several are legit (DeHaan) several are expiring (Horton). Based on cap friendly I think there will only be four big “juicy” LTIR contracts to trade for – they are going to be valuable.

    Hossa $5.275M with Arizona
    Zetterberg $6,083M DRW
    Seabrook $6.875 CBH
    Johnsson $3,400M TML

    This would solve Oiler Cap issues if Connor’s time is right now.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      “TML used their huge profits to use LTIR to create more cap space”

      Can you explain this in a lttle nore detail? Im having trouble understanding it.

      Please and Thank You

      • geowal says:

        If you are against the cap, putting a player on LTIR allows you to effectively exceed the cap by a proportionate amount, Tor utilized this this summer, trading for LTIR bound players with big cap hits, while already up against the cap. This was how they managed to sign Marner, more or less. If they weren’t hugely profitable, trading for $10MM worth of dead salary for cap purposes wouldn’t be possible, I.e. a budget team would never do this.

  49. McSorley33 says:

    Trevor Zegras comes in at 8 …. Dylan Cozens at 9

  50. godot10 says:

    McSorley33:
    Trevor Zegras comes in at 8 …. Dylan Cozens at 9

    It’s Craig Button’s list. He was never high on Bouchard or Broberg. Why would he change? He had a man crush on Zegras last year. Why would he change?

    Button is one guy.

    This list is effectively just a consolidation of his previous draft lists.

  51. Side says:

    McSorley33:

    I’m never a huge fan of these “what have you done for me lately” lists.

    There is a player on that list who went from a #1 rank last year to #36 this year.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    ducttapeandfoil:
    Jujar KhairaGF 9GA 26GF% 25.71

    This is not what an NHL player on a playoff team produces. Time to move him as a project in return for something more useful or a low pick. Play Russell until the break and bring up Benson. Shea and Archie have been passable over the past month but Khaira has been horrid (2 assists and -8 in last 13 games)

    Not great – obviously.

    A couple of things:

    – He’s fifth on the Oilers in 5 on 5 goals
    – He’s been on the ice for 3 SH goals against all year.

  53. Oz says:

    KY has shot my concern for his ability to handle the physicality of the NHL right out of the water. Good for him. I hope that after 20 or so games he has established himself, as he has made a big impact on the the 2nd line.
    My second call up preference has been Benson, but I am 2nd guessing that now after watching Marody generate offence as well as he does. Cannot watch tonight’s game as we have company coming but look forward to OP and Wilde’s comments.

  54. Shane says:

    dustrock:
    It’s tough because this isn’t a message board with threads that continually get new pages.

    I can definitely see the attraction for certain topics as Andy mentioned before so everything is collected in one place, but I too will read the blog in the morning and then usually check again in the evening/before bed.

    I’m highly unlikely to scroll back to the beginning of the thread when I’m checking at night.

    +1

  55. leadfarmer says:

    Button having Bouchard behind Benson shows pretty much all you need to know about his list

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    Very good to hear that Benning has rejoined the team in Montreal and is practicing.

    He’s not officially activated now but I’m not sure why they send him out east just for one practice before they come back to Alberta…….

  57. John Chambers says:

    What do folks think of Tomas ‘Tuna’ Tatar as a trade target?

    Perhaps we could fenangle a deal involving Chiasson + Puljujarvi for him.

    • Darth Tu says:

      I’d jump on a Tatar deal. He’s a $5.3 million a year cap hit till 2021, so would need some wrangling there. I can’t see Montreal retaining any unless you’re throwing a decent draft pick at them. Chiasson is more useful to Montreal, but what about Gagner? His contract at least runs out at the end of the year. They still look desperate for LD, maybe instead of a draft pick you can package up one of the LD prospects we have with Chiasson or Gagner?

      No idea how you would make the deal work for them without overpaying, but like I say, I’d be happy for Tatar to end up with the Oilers.

  58. Litke 94 says:

    This is very random, but the birthday thing is also a big factor in evaluating young race horses. It’s interesting for me to see the similarities.

    Horses born in say, February, have an additional 1-4 months of growth on horses born later. That additional 30-120 days of growth and maturing can arguably make a big difference in the horse’s 2 year old season, but probably less so by the time they are 3.

    Some horsemen seriously factor this age rule into their purchasing/breeding decisions, whereas others don’t give it much attention at all. Similar to a great hockey player, the best ones are going to be the best, no matter the time they were born.

    I personally don’t put much weight into the birth month for horses. My foal was born in May this year. My rationale? I’d sure as hell rather try and take care of a foal in May weather than in February weather.

    • geowal says:

      Interesting. Some beef ranchers here also try for early calves – February – in an attempt to be “first to market” and as part of their grazing strategy. For your trouble you get to deal with frozen ears (or worse) and the endless herd checks in the dead of winter, possibly pulling calves in -40. Usually in a crowded corral surrounded by the rest of a nosy herd.
      My Dad never subscribed to this, always calved in May. Cows were free to roam pasture adjacent to corral, munch early grasses, no freezing, and just all around a far more enjoyable way to deal with a busy time of year, with no obvious loss of profit.

      • Litke 94 says:

        Interesting, I never considered that when it comes to calving but it makes sense that the same logic would apply. Those winter checks would be terrible, and I have heard about frostbitten ears in newly born foals. No fun at all.

        I completely agree though, dealing with these things in mid-late spring rather than winter is much more enjoyable. My poor foal spent the first week of her life not being able to stand (born late, heavy body mass + long legs, AND a bit of a dummy foal). I spent 7 straight days having to manually pick her up and bottle feed her every couple of hours before she was physically strong enough to do it on her own. I couldn’t even imagine trying to do that in Minus 20 weather.

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Stauffer:

    Neal-McDavid-Kassian
    RNH-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Gagner-Haas-Chiasson
    Nygard-Sheahan-Archibald
    Khaira-P.Russell

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Jones-K Russell
    Lagesson-Benning

    Smith
    Koskinen

    ———————-

    Interesting that its Gagner in for Khaira and not P. Russell, in particular given PK implications.

    Interesting that it looks like maybe Smith is getting the start – not official by any stretch.

  60. Oilin4 says:

    John Chambers:
    What do folks think of Tomas ‘Tuna’ Tatar as a trade target?

    Perhaps we could fenangle a deal involving Chiasson + Puljujarvi for him.

    Like the player. Don’t see why MTL does it, plus it limits our ability to do anything else this year or next.

  61. ArmchairGM says:

    John Chambers:
    What do folks think of Tomas ‘Tuna’ Tatar as a trade target?

    Perhaps we could fenangle a deal involving Chiasson + Puljujarvi for him.

    Depends on the cost. MTL fans think he’s worth a 1st + 2nd + prospect because he’s on pace for a career-high 69 points (nice). He owes a lot of his success this year to a PP heater that sees him scoring on 33.33% of his shots, I’m not sure that has a lot of value to Edmonton.

    • John Chambers says:

      Well we are lining Sam Gagner up at 3LW so I’m suggesting he would offer superior value in that spot.

  62. duct tape and foil says:

    OriginalPouzar: Not great – obviously.

    A couple of things:

    – He’s fifth on the Oilers in 5 on 5 goals
    – He’s been on the ice for 3 SH goals against all year.

    I’ve always pulled for Khaira (so have the Oilers mgmt it seems) but he’s given up so much more than he’s produced this season. He gotten a ton of rope but that seems to be running out pretty quickly. Would not be surprised to see him a healthy scratch tomorrow.

  63. geowal says:

    Will be interesting to see if Lagesson goes down for Benning, or if it’s Jones, or perhaps even both (with a Manning callup)

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot: I don’t.I hate threaded comments.

    Yup, me too – they stifle conversation in my opinion – if I would have replied “threaded”, chances are you would never see it nor would Leafarmer, who you responded to.

    I mean, its 12:40 and I’m responding to a post from over 2 hours ago – do people go back and check old posts to see if there are threaded replies?

    Oh well, we can’t all be made happy at the same time – only the Oilers can lead to that…. maybe.

  65. Ribs says:

    OriginalPouzar: I mean, its 12:40 and I’m responding to a post from over 2 hours ago – do people go back and check old posts to see if there are threaded replies?

    It is highly unlikely that I would. Maybe I just wait a day to read a thread so that I don’t miss stuff? This seems suboptimal.

  66. Ribs says:

    Something that could come in handy with threaded comments is the RECENT COMMENTS ticker on the top right of the page. A person could follow that instead of refreshing to the bottom of the page. You might get motion sickness from the page zooming around, but you wouldn’t miss anything!

  67. Gollum says:

    It’s clear that there are drawbacks to the reply system, but it’s a small price to pay to prevent an extended ‘no, yor moar stupid’ back and forth from taking over large sections of the blog.
    I think the timing of this feature introduction is telling.

  68. Dipsy Doodle Dandy says:

    How about Tyler Ennis from Ottawa as a 3rd line center? 24 pts in 43 games this year. Only $800k and a UFA. Shouldn’t cost much……maybe a lower level prospect or late pick. He’s from Edmonton, always a Lowetide favorite. He had 12 goals last year with the Leafs…..this year 11.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    https://theathletic.com/1517143/2020/01/08/nhl-trade-big-board-28-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/

    24. Zack Kassian, Edmonton Oilers – Here’s where things stand with Kassian. The Oilers would like to re-sign him. They expect to get serious on that front over the next couple of weeks. But they’ll want to know one way or another by mid-February if they can get it done. If not, depending on where they are in the standings, they’ll examine the possibility of a trade. “Big, strong, powerful. He would be one great piece for somebody trying to go on a playoff run,” said an NHL source.

  70. Truth says:

    McSorley33:
    Trevor Zegras comes in at 8 …. Dylan Cozens at 9

    Caufield at 10 as well. Damn I wish the Oilers picked him or Zegras over Broberg.

  71. ArmchairGM says:

    John Chambers:
    Well we are lining Sam Gagner up at 3LW so I’m suggesting he would offer superior value in that spot.

    Sure, but not at any cost. I’d rather get someone younger and cheaper than could help for several years to come.

  72. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    https://theathletic.com/1517143/2020/01/08/nhl-trade-big-board-28-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/

    24. Zack Kassian, Edmonton Oilers – Here’s where things stand with Kassian. The Oilers would like to re-sign him. They expect to get serious on that front over the next couple of weeks. But they’ll want to know one way or another by mid-February if they can get it done. If not, depending on where they are in the standings, they’ll examine the possibility of a trade. “Big, strong, powerful. He would be one great piece for somebody trying to go on a playoff run,” said an NHL source.

    Ha – I commented the other day speculating that was the reason Holland had already reached out and begun negotiations on the next contract – he’s trying to decide whether to trade him and let him test free agency or not.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie:
    Nope, I am not going to talk about the draft, we have meaningful hockey being played.

    I think Benson would be a much better 4LW than Khaira, and Gambradella should be the 13 forward.

    Thinking of where Benson fits in the lineup if called up for a Khaira or Russell and I would like to think that, assuming the rest of the current top 6 hold at least current levels of play (mainly Neal and Kailer), I would think that Tippett could slide him to 2LW and move Nuge to 3C for unicorns.

    Of course:

    – tough to saddle Drai with 2 rookies (although both skilled guys and both responsible defensively, at least in the AHL for Benson)

    – the numbers show that Nuge/Drai have been aces together this year and, well, not aces apart – is that sample size large enough to factor in to that decision?

    Assuming Kailer and Neal hold play:

    Neal/McDavid/Kassian
    Benson/Drai/Yamamoto
    Chiasson/Nuge/Haas
    Nygard (Khaira)/Sheahan/Archie

    ??????

  74. Reja says:

    What a shot by Chase that goal is going to kick start him to 5 goals in the next 11 games after which time he will be 3-5 goals away from covering his bet for the haters.

  75. leadfarmer says:

    Truth: Caufield at 10 as well.Damn I wish the Oilers picked him or Zegras over Broberg.

    Difference between quote and reply
    But I find most threaded discussions aren’t really worth much

  76. Cassandra says:

    The threaded conversation is an unmitigated disaster. I am all caught up in the thread. If someone makes an interesting post in reply at any point after now I will never see it. It is pretty black and white that it will kill conversation. There is no upside to this.

    There is an easy work around which will probably emerge organically. People will stop using the reply button altogether since doing so guarantees that no one will ever see your post. And why would someone make a post if not for it to be seen?

    Now that is a pretty poor solution, since the reply button played an important signalling function that helped further conversation.

    So if you don’t like the reply function being threaded don’t use the reply function. And if you want your reply to only be read by people reading the thread after it is over, then go ahead and use it.

    Hopefully LT will see the unintended consequence of this decision and go back to the right way.

  77. Cassandra says:

    leadfarmer: Difference between quote and reply
    But I find most threaded discussions aren’t really worth much

    Which means that the quote button will be used instead of the reply button. Which is fine, I guess. But the reply button is effectively dead.

  78. Reja says:

    Truth: Caufield at 10 as well.Damn I wish the Oilers picked him or Zegras over Broberg.

    I wanted Zegras he’ll probably be in the ducks top 6 next year. By the time we find out if Broberg is a half-ass defenceman like Nurse Mr.Holland will have made.. wait for it…. 25 Million large.

  79. rickithebear says:

    Last Night ( I believe) the single largest death of edmontonians since the tornado, occured.
    Nothing worse than death from families who came to Canada -> Alberta to Create a family in a new home.
    My prayer goes to those families.

  80. dustrock says:

    Cassandra:
    The threaded conversation is an unmitigated disaster.I am all caught up in the thread.If someone makes an interesting post in reply at any point after now I will never see it.It is pretty black and white that it will kill conversation.There is no upside to this.

    There is an easy work around which will probably emerge organically.People will stop using the reply button altogether since doing so guarantees that no one will ever see your post.And why would someone make a post if not for it to be seen?

    Now that is a pretty poor solution, since the reply button played an important signalling function that helped further conversation.

    So if you don’t like the reply function being threaded don’t use the reply function.And if you want your reply to only be read by people reading the thread after it is over, then go ahead and use it.

    Hopefully LT will see the unintended consequence of this decision and go back to the right way.

    Even better, there are 2 Reply options for everyone to use as they see fit!

  81. dustrock says:

    Cassandra,

    Classic reply

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    geowal:
    If you are against the cap, putting a player on LTIR allows you to effectively exceed the cap by a proportionate amount, Tor utilized this this summer, trading for LTIR bound players with big cap hits, while already up against the cap. This was how they managed to sign Marner, more or less. If they weren’t hugely profitable, trading for $10MM worth of dead salary for cap purposes wouldn’t be possible, I.e. a budget team would never do this.

    Very good explanation.

    To add – this only works if the team is acquiring players that they know will be out for the season – if the player is deemed healthy, the team must activate them and the LTIR relief cushion (the amount they could go over the cap vis-a-vis that player) goes away – i.e. with Sekera last year.

  83. PokeCheck says:

    My personal opinion on threaded responses is that they only work when the threads are sortable by something other than the chronological order of the leading comment (by votes, newest responses, number of responses, etc…) so that significant comments remain highly discoverable.

    Scanning up and down throughout the day, when most days lead to a few hundred comments, isn’t going to work.

  84. leadfarmer says:

    Cassandra:
    The threaded conversation is an unmitigated disaster.I am all caught up in the thread.If someone makes an interesting post in reply at any point after now I will never see it.It is pretty black and white that it will kill conversation.There is no upside to this.

    There is an easy work around which will probably emerge organically.People will stop using the reply button altogether since doing so guarantees that no one will ever see your post.And why would someone make a post if not for it to be seen?

    Now that is a pretty poor solution, since the reply button played an important signalling function that helped further conversation.

    So if you don’t like the reply function being threaded don’t use the reply function.And if you want your reply to only be read by people reading the thread after it is over, then go ahead and use it.

    Hopefully LT will see the unintended consequence of this decision and go back to the right way.

    Yes but in the opposite side you can very easily ignore the 200 DSF related posts or some of the other people others may want to ignore

  85. geowal says:

    rickithebear,

    That had been my thinking as well (worst since the tornado.) Two UofA profs, amongst 7 others at the uni. Stunningly impactful on Edmonton, usually such far away incidents have more…dispersed casualties, for lack of a better descriptor. Condolences for all.

  86. v4ance says:

    The threaded replies break up the conversations to nullify the impact of one disruptive poster. In the meantime, they also disrupt the valuable conversations that might spring up between the rest of the community.

    Wouldn’t it have been easier to just ban the one disruptive influence that disrupt the entire community? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one, or the few.

    In other words, if one poster is being a dink, why do we have to change to accommodate him? Especially when that poster only posts a valid point in 1 out of 10 posts and is a vacuous troll in the other 9 instances.

  87. elgruntus says:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sportsnets-2020-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-january/

    27. Jake Neighbours, LW, Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL): Self-assessment as a Matthew Tkachuk-type is pretty accurate. Skates and shoots well and isn’t fun to play against.

    “Tkachuk-type”? If he wasn’t an Oil King, would we consider?

    • geowal says:

      I think we are far enough from the Reinhardt debacle, management wise, that I don’t think we need to steer clear outright of the Oil Kings. But the organization needs to recognize its own potential bias, and go some lengths to be sure there are some checks and balances when thinking of selecting there, that it is really the best player and that their knowledge of the player is a benefit, not a blinder.

  88. Munny says:

    leadfarmer,

    What makes you think any troll would use the direct reply button rather than this one?

  89. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer: Yes but in the opposite side you can very easily ignore the 200 DSF related posts or some of the other people others may want to ignore

    Not if he uses the (Quote) and (Reply) buttons which put his new comments at the bottom of the page still. Which he will if nobody is taking the bait using the new Reply button.

  90. jtblack says:

    elgruntus,

    Tkachuk who put up 2 pts per game in his draft season? vs Neighbors is just above 1 ppg there is a bit of a difference

  91. ArmchairGM says:

    v4ance:
    The threaded replies break up the conversations to nullify the impact of one disruptive poster.

    This assumes that the “one disruptive poster” uses the new Reply button exclusively. Which is a silly assumption. If I were trolling every single fan on this site I’d use the reply method that gets the most reads: (Quote).

  92. ArmchairGM says:

    v4ance: In other words, if one poster is being a dink, why do we have to change to accommodate him? Especially when that poster only posts a valid point in 1 out of 10 posts and is a vacuous troll in the other 9 instances.

    New rule: DSF is only allowed to post about whiskey and music. I’m pretty sure he add value to this forum on one of those topics.

  93. Darth Tu says:

    ArmchairGM: New rule: DSF is only allowed to post about whiskey and music. I’m pretty sure he add value to this forum on one of those topics.

    Not whisky. As a Scot, I worry that he would start trolling about that crap too, and I can’t allow that. I’d definitely bite on any bait he laid out.

  94. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack:
    elgruntus,

    Tkachuk who put up 2 pts per game in his draft season? vsNeighbors is just above 1 ppg there is a bit of a difference

    NHLe of 35 vs 50 for Tkachik. There’s a reason he’s being talked about as a 20-30 pick rather than a top-6 pick.

  95. Lowetide says:

    Lowetide: I have found a new ball, it’s in the sky! It arrives in morning, warms the earth during the day and then goes away at night so things can cool down by morning. I’ve added it to this blog!

    Comment 1: I don’t like it can we turn it down?
    Comment 2: I didn’t like it at first but will give it a chance
    Comment 3: They had this at another blog and everyone died. DIED
    Comment 4: This is just like Lowetide. We were so happy about everything and then he ruined it.
    Comment 5: There is a material change in here.
    Comment 6: The Canucks have found a way to make sure the new ball only spends a few minutes a year in Vancouver.
    Comment 7: Enjoy the ball before Chiarelli comes back and trades it!
    Comment 8: I don’t like the ball but did go to college with it.
    Comment 9: Can the ball play defense?
    Comment 10: I think a lot of people are leaving the blog because of the ball. I hope Lowetide figures out we all hate it or that’ll be the end of him!

    • Yeti says:

      The ball has excellent taste in music but tends to overcook steak and doesn’t know the difference between scotch and bourbon. We’re so confused!

    • Side says:

      The ball also gives skin cancer.

      Do you want that on your conscience, LT?

    • tileguy says:

      Have you been taking writing lessons from New Age Darkness?

    • v4ance says:

      If you are to introduce another innovation, may i suggest the ancient Greek practice of ostracism? I have a strong feeling a vote would definitively identify a leading candidate.

      I have no problems with contrarian thoughts and honest debate. It leads to better understanding all around. But moving of goalposts, presenting opinion as fact, needling and gloating after losses, pointing out flaws real or imagined are the halmarks of a troll and not indicative of honest debate and discourse.

      It’s your blog and your community. But I would state my opinion that one person is adding an unnecessary level of chaos without adding much on the positive side of the ledger.

    • geowal says:

      Fantastic

  96. Cassandra says:

    dustrock,

    I try.

  97. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Lowetide,

    How many trips around the new ball until you admit Smid was a good oiler?

  98. GMB3 says:

    There will be a good forward available by the time the Oilers pick. I’ve heard a few expect Mavrik Bourue compared favourable with Claude Giroux in style of play and that he will likely be available far later than he should be.

    If Lucas Raymond drops to 7, there will be one very happy team with that selection.

    There’s a reasonable chance that Bourque, Mercer, Mysak, and Gunler will be available in the back half of the first round, all 4 of those guys are very intriguing to me. I think Mercer will be a hell of a player.

    Very interested to follow Mysaks progress under Steve Staois with the Hamilton Bulldogs, if he’s put on a line with Kaliyev we could see some gaudy numbers as he adjusts to the OHL

  99. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ribs:
    Something that could come in handy with threaded comments is the RECENT COMMENTS ticker on the top right of the page. A person could follow that instead of refreshing to the bottom of the page. You might get motion sickness from the page zooming around, but you wouldn’t miss anything!

    Good pro tip. Thank you.

    Should help those lying awake at night with FOMO that they might miss a casual reply on a hockey board. First world problems. lol

    Not sure why so many are squealing like weiners on the bbq about a new feature they don’t have to use?

    Proves the old adage that people hate change of any sort I guess.

  100. GMB3 says:

    I’m interested that you didn’t rate Mysak higher. His pro numbers compare favourable to Mecas in the Czech league I believe.

  101. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks: Good pro tip. Thank you.

    Should help those lying awake at night with FOMO that they might miss a casual reply on a hockey board. First world problems. lol

    Not sure why so many are squealing like weiners on the bbq about a new feature they don’t have to use?

    Proves the old adage that people hate change of any sort I guess.

    I see we have a Ball sympathizer over here.

  102. godot10 says:

    Gollum:
    It’s clear that there are drawbacks to the reply system, but it’s a small price to pay to prevent an extended ‘no, yor moar stupid’ back and forth from taking over large sections of the blog.
    I think the timing of this feature introduction is telling.

    Do you really think “trolls” are going to use the threaded reply? Speaking as a poster who has on occasion some “trolling” tendencies.

  103. godot10 says:

    Truth: Caufield at 10 as well.Damn I wish the Oilers picked him or Zegras over Broberg.

    Caulfield had what one goal at the World Juniors with Jack Hughes.

    And it took till Christmas for college coaches to begin snuffing him out.

  104. GMB3 says:

    godot10: Caulfield had what one goal at the World Juniors with Jack Hughes.

    And it took till Christmas for college coaches to begin snuffing him out.

    Ah yes, evaluating prospects based on the tournament of small sample sizes. Works out so well.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: Ah yes, evaluating prospects based on the tournament of small sample sizes. Works out so well.

    In a similar vein, we saw ALOT of posts over the last 3 weeks about Zegras and Broberg and their performances – not only is this tournament often over-valued in this regard but we are talking about a forward vs. an 18 year old playing for the team with the deepest d-corp.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oz:
    KY has shot my concern for his ability to handle the physicality of the NHL right out of the water. Good for him. I hope that after 20 or so games he has established himself, as he has made a big impact on the the 2nd line.
    My second call up preference has been Benson, but I am 2nd guessing that now after watching Marody generate offence as well as he does. Cannot watch tonight’s game as we have company coming but look forward to OPand Wilde’s comments.

    I’m quite looking forward to the game.

  107. godot10 says:

    elgruntus:
    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sportsnets-2020-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-january/

    27. Jake Neighbours, LW, Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL): Self-assessment as a Matthew Tkachuk-type is pretty accurate. Skates and shoots well and isn’t fun to play against.

    “Tkachuk-type”?If he wasn’t an Oil King, would we consider?

    Neighbours started slow this year after a strong playoff last year. He’d be a no-brainer if he falls Oilers in the 2nd round, anything after 40. An all-around player.

    Neighbours goal scoring finally picked up when they moved Guenther up to the first line with him and Sawchuk. And Guenther finally began heating up in December. Lauer let Guenther settle in as a 16-year old, but he has hit his stride now.

    Guenther will be top 15 in the draft in 2021, with a decent chance for top ten.

  108. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Broberg may well have been the 3rd best Swedish Dman taken in last year’s 1st round.

  109. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: In a similar vein, we saw ALOT of posts over the last 3 weeks about Zegras and Broberg and their performances – not only is this tournament often over-valued in this regard but we are talking about a forward vs. an 18 year old playing for the team with the deepest d-corp.

    I feel a lot of that has to do with many Oilers fans not loving the pick of an LD over a forward when it’s clear that’s what the teams biggest need is. Especially with most prospect writers having Broberg slotted later in the draft. People looking for evidence to support their opinion on the pick.

    I’d also say that when a player shows off skill like Zegras did, it matters more than the actual #’s, at least in my eyes. That said, I agree with you. The production of Soderstrom really didn’t help shine a positive light on Broberg either

    As an aside, I did say prior to the draft that if the Oilers drafted a D I’d much prefer Seider over Broberg.

  110. leadfarmer says:

    godot10: Do you really think “trolls” are going to use the threaded reply?Speaking as a poster who has on occasion some “trolling” tendencies.

    No but if you are going to engage said troll, Please have the courtesy to use the correct button

  111. GMB3 says:

    It’s also interesting to see Button rank Broberg out of the top 50, after having him rated higher than any other prospect person I saw. It’s pretty clear he overvalues international play, and I’d surmise that is probably the most of the time he spends evaluating prospects

  112. dustrock says:

    Lowetide:
    Lowetide: I have found a new ball, it’s in the sky! It arrives in morning, warms the earth during the day and then goes away at night so things can cool down by morning. I’ve added it to this blog!

    Comment 1: I don’t like it can we turn it down?
    Comment 2: I didn’t like it at first but will give it a chance
    Comment 3: They had this at another blog and everyone died. DIED
    Comment 4: This is just like Lowetide. We were so happy about everything and then he ruined it.
    Comment 5: There is a material change in here.
    Comment 6: The Canucks have found a way to make sure the new ball only spends a few minutes a year in Vancouver.
    Comment 7: Enjoy the ball before Chiarelli comes back and trades it!
    Comment 8: I don’t like the ball but did go to college with it.
    Comment 9: Can the ball play defense?
    Comment 10: I think a lot of people are leaving the blog because of the ball. I hope Lowetide figures out we all hate it or that’ll be the end of him!

    Brain Ball #2: The Elders tell of a young ball much like you. He bounced three metres in the air. Then he bounced 1.8 metres in the air. Then he bounced four metres in the air. Do I make myself clear?

    Kissinger: Mr. Ambassador, our people tell the same story.

    • Farnsworth Paradox says:

      In a series with many great lines/moments, this one always stood out as a favorite of mine for some reason!

  113. godot10 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Broberg may well have been the 3rd best Swedish Dman taken in last year’s 1st round.

    Broberg was PK’ing over the other two, and over several top drafts a year older than him last week at the world juniros.

    It is like Klefbom. Sweden had a lot of D with offensive skills, but Klefbom had offensive skill but could play D also, so he got assigned the tougher defensive roles.

    Sweden needed Broberg in a defensive role. It was what was best for the team.

    The ability to defend is what gets a defensemen to the NHL…the offense is a bonus. See Bouchard.

  114. dustrock says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Broberg may well have been the 3rd best Swedish Dman taken in last year’s 1st round.

    If only there was some indication he might be too high of a pick for us

  115. PennersPancakes says:

    ArmchairGM: NHLe of 35 vs 50 for Tkachik. There’s a reason he’s being talked about as a 20-30 pick rather than a top-6 pick.

    Im not trying to say theyre comparable either but for absolute box cars you need to add some context too. Neighbours is playing with 2 undrafted overagers while Tkachuk had draft+1 Mitch Marner and draft+2 Christian Dvorak and Mete/Juolevi on the back end. Even Max Jones and Tyler Parsons were on that team.

    Fuck London was/is good. Oil Kings this year have draft -1 Guenther and…. draft-1 Sebastian Cossa?

  116. LadiesloveSmid says:

    godot10,

    Klefbom seems to be a bit of an outlier in providing nill offence in Sweden then turning into a top 3 NHL D.

    Does Broberg compare well too Marcus Petterson? Gabriel Carlsson? Gustav Lindstrom? Robert Hagg?

    Seems Brannstrom + Jacob Larsson left him in the dust in terms of offensive production in their D+1s. Hampus Lindholm was in North America. I hope he comes to Bakersfield next year & is an impact player, difficult to see that from where we stand right now. I’d love to be pleasantly surprised.

  117. Harpers Hair says:

    Logan Couture out with a broken ankle.

    That should be the final stake to the heart.

    The vultures will start circling.

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    Smith starting was reported by the MSM as was Gagner in for Kharia but this is why its important to listen to the coach himself.’

    When asked if Smith was starting he stated that they will talk to Schwartz in the morning and decide. He didn’t lean towards Smith at all in his verbal and actually spoke about it being great to get both guys up and running.

    When asked about Gagner in for Khaira his words were “that is not set in stone” – immediate words.

    I’m going to “guess” Gagner is and Smith starts but wouldn’t be surprised if either does not come to fruition, in particular in net.

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    Well we are lining Sam Gagner up at 3LW so I’m suggesting he would offer superior value in that spot.

    Likely, however what we don’t know is if it would offer superior value to Tyler Benson at $850K (apx) in that spot.

  120. duct tape and foil says:

    Neal – McDavid – Kassian
    Nugent-Hopkins – Draisaitl – Yamamoto
    Gagner – Haas – Chiasson
    Nygard – Sheahan – Archibald

    If you could replace Gagner with Myles Woods (maybe traded for JP?) as Primetime suggests and add Bonino from NAS as a 3C (no idea what it would take) then we would be looking quite good.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    duct tape and foil: I’ve always pulled for Khaira (so have the Oilers mgmt it seems) but he’s given up so much more than he’s produced this season. He gotten a ton of rope but that seems to be running out pretty quickly. Would not be surprised to see him a healthy scratch tomorrow.

    I don’t disagree at all and it looks like you might be right on the healthy scratch tomorrow.

    I do have concern about his deletion from the lineup and Gagner in (as oppossed to P. Russell) – don’t get me wrong, I actually like Gagner more than most and he often has a couple plus games when inserted back in to the lineup before falling off, however, I am concerned about the PK and Khaira has been a big part of that. Drai may be asked to pick up the slack. Yamamoto may be asked to PK – neither are ideal, in my opinion.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    geowal:
    Will be interesting to see if Lagesson goes down for Benning, or if it’s Jones, or perhaps even both (with a Manning callup)

    I could argue for all three options:

    – Lagesson down as Jones is more versatile and seems higher on the depth chart right now

    – Jones does because they are more comfortable with the older Laggeson getting press box time

    – Manning up so both continue to play

    ———————

    I think it will be Lagesson down – I think they like Jones in the sheltered role and they may ease Benning in a bit. Jones doesn’t have to play every night, he can rotate a bit with Benning as long as he’s playing more often than not. K. Russell can also sit the odd night (although that’s not great for the PK).

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dipsy Doodle Dandy:
    How about Tyler Ennis from Ottawa as a 3rd line center? 24 pts in 43 games this year. Only $800k and a UFA. Shouldn’t cost much……maybe a lower level prospect or late pick. He’s from Edmonton, always a Lowetide favorite. He had 12 goals last year with the Leafs…..this year 11.

    He was a soft target of mine in the off-season and, yes, I believe he’s been discussed a bit on here as an acquisition target. He would be a solid depth addition for some skill but I”m not so sure he’s a center or a strong one, is he?

    Just checked and he’s taken 12 faceoffs this year so its unlikely he’s playing center.

  124. Ribs says:

    Lowetide,

    To read more about Mr. Lowetide’s amazing new ball, Click Here!

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    Friedman reporting Craig Smith is available. Good for 15+ EV goals each year. If he would sign a reasonable contract I think we should go after him

    I think he’d be a solid rental pick up if NSH is willing to sell and they would retain (or take a Gagner) to make the money work.

    I wouldn’t really be thinking about re-signing him. He’s already 30 and is making over $4M – he’s going to want term and a raise I’m sure.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja:
    What a shot by Chase that goal is going to kick start him to5 goals in the next 11 games after which time he will be 3-5 goals away from covering his bet for the haters.

    In my opinion, posters positing that they think a player is a bottom six forward or not worth or won’t be worth a contract, or potential contract, does not equate to “hating” the player.

    I think there are lots of posters that like Darnell Nurse and hope he’s an Oiler for the next 10 years but don’t think he’s worth $7M for term right now – that’s not hate, that’s discussion.

  127. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Marco Rossi is very intriguing. If he was 6 feet he’d probably be 1ov.

    Anybody know his game? I read skating wasn’t top notch.

    Plus minus is a bad stat, but still his is outrageous. Last year as well.

    I hope he falls.

  128. GMB3 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Marco Rossi is very intriguing. If he was 6 feet he’d probably be 1ov.

    Anybody know his game? I read skating wasn’t top notch.

    Plus minus is a bad stat,but still his is outrageous. Last year as well.

    I hope he falls.

    I’ve read that some of his detractors have compared him a little to Sam Gagner, not sure if his game will translate at the next level.

    I don’t really see that comparison, they both may be smaller and not the fastest skaters, Gagner probably rode Kanes coattails a bit. There’s no one like that on Ottawa’s roster

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rasmus Andersson re-signed for 6 X $4.5M.

    I don’t like the looks of this for Ethan Bear who is younger and arguably better even with less NHL experience.

  130. leadfarmer says:

    GMB3: I’ve read that some of his detractors have compared him a little to Sam Gagner, not sure if his game will translate at the next level.

    I don’t really see that comparison, they both may be smaller and not the fastest skaters, Gagner probably rode Kanes coattails a bit. There’s no one like that on Ottawa’s roster

    Kane outscored the other guys and Kostitsyn was 2 years older. Rossi is outscoring the other guys and is 2-3 years younger.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yeti:
    Or the best?

    That’s kind of what I was going to say.

    Zegras’ start at college and his play at the World Juniors is what one would expect from a high end top 10 drafted forward in his draft plus 1 years.

    Broberg’s minutes and play in the SHL and World Juniors as an 18 year old in his draft plus one year is in line with what was expected in his draft plus 1 year.

    There was concern he wouldn’t play the 14-15 minutes per game and PK time in the SHL – he has earned the coach’s trust and has very solid role for an 18 year old.

    Nothing has changed since draft day, in my mind.

    Zegras will “arrive” earlier, he’s a forward not a European d-man but we knew that and, to me, that’s just fine.

  132. McSorley33 says:

    godot10: It’s Craig Button’s list.He was never high on Bouchard or Broberg.Why would he change?He had a man crush on Zegras last year.Why would he change?

    Button is one guy.

    This list is effectively just a consolidation of his previous draft lists.

    Agreed.

    But, I like Button….it gives some colour to have people outside your home organization weigh in
    with their thoughts.

    Button’s criticism of Bouchard seems to be playing out in Bakersfield. Nobody is as high on Bouchard as I am. But, Craig’s criticism of his ( Bouchard) game seems to have merit.

    Again, all prospects have issues and I am down on Bouchard at all.

    I can assure you Craig was not alone in crushing on a Trevor Zegras.

  133. GMB3 says:

    McSorley33: Agreed.

    But, I like Button….it gives some colour to have people outside your home organization weigh in
    with their thoughts.

    Button’s criticism of Bouchard seems to be playing out in Bakersfield. Nobody is as high on Bouchard as I am. But, Craig’s criticism of his ( Bouchard) game seems to have merit.

    Again, all prospects have issues and I am down on Bouchard at all.

    I can assure you Craig was not alone in crushing on a Trevor Zegras.

    Button also had Broberg ranked 7th. He was pretty high on him.

  134. Nit64 says:

    godot10: Do you really think “trolls” are going to use the threaded reply?

    ~ Don’t need to ban HH. Just limit ALL of his commenting to the reply button. Better yet the only place he can enter comments is as replies to OP ~

  135. Nit64 says:

    Lowetide: Comment 6: The Canucks have found a way to make sure the new ball only spends a few minutes a year in Vancouver

    Every winter Canadians you get to choose,. Watch the Canucks or the new ball

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    godot10,

    Klefbom seems to be a bit of an outlier in providing nill offence in Sweden then turning into a top 3 NHL D.

    Does Broberg compare well too Marcus Petterson? Gabriel Carlsson? Gustav Lindstrom? Robert Hagg?

    Seems Brannstrom + Jacob Larsson left him in the dust in terms of offensive production in their D+1s. Hampus Lindholm was in North America. I hope he comes to Bakersfield next year & is an impact player, difficult to see that from where we stand right now. I’d love to be pleasantly surprised.

    If my age calculations are right:

    Erik Karlsson had 10 points in 45 games in the SHL as an 18 year old.

    Hampus Lindholm spend his 18 year old season in the AHL but had 11 points in 44 games.

    Anton Stalman spend his 18 year old season in the junior league in Sweden and had 5 points in 45 games as a 19 year old in the SHL.

    OEL spend his 18 year old season in the junior league in Sweden i believe.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Logan Couture out with a broken ankle.

    That should be the final stake to the heart.

    The vultures will start circling.

    Go Ottawa!

  138. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    They may end up picking #1 and #2

  139. Lowetide says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Lowetide,

    Interesting that you nicked Rossi so much for being 18 days older than Lafreniere. He’s outscoring everybody this side of Connor McDavid in the OHL including Perfetti (#3) who is just 3 months younger, I’d really like to see the “math” that concludes Perfetti should go 3 spots higher.

    I use NHLE heavily and do factor in birthdays but also read a lot on these players via trusted scouting services like Red Line and HockeyProspect.com. I’d also suggest that this is the beginning and as I mentioned Rossi may end up top five and possible ahead of Perfetti. I did learn from the Sam Gagner draft that one must be aware of usage and Rob Schremp taught me about power-play points.

    I list my resources on every draft day, they’re here from last year
    https://lowetide.ca/2019/06/21/here-comes-the-sun-2019-draft-edition/

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    Granlund in for Marody tonight – Cooper is out sick.

    I think Skinner is starting judging by Holt talking about him but no confirmation yet.

  141. jeetz says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    My gut feeling is they are showcasing Jones and are playing Lagesson just enough to confirm he should be in their long term plans. I bet we see Lagesson in the bottom pairing quit a bit after the trade deadline. Jones and a 2nd for a top 6 FWD at the trade deadline is my guess.

  142. Brantford Boy says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Interesting… I was actually doing a comparison for Nurse… yes 4.5M is on the light side, I think 5.5M per X years should be doable, no?

  143. Lowetide says:

    Ryan Holt
    @CondorsHolty
    ·
    12m
    Markus Granlund makes his #Condorstown debut tonight wearing 60. No Marody, who’s out sick.

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    OriginalPouzar,

    They may end up picking #1 and #2

    With Detroit third, hopefully – keep it in the east.

    Well, as long as the Oilers don’t have any assigned ball numbers….

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    jeetz:
    OriginalPouzar,

    My gut feeling is they are showcasing Jones and are playing Lagesson just enough to confirm he should be in their long term plans. I bet we see Lagesson in the bottom pairing quit a bit after the trade deadline. Jones and a 2nd for a top 6 FWD at the trade deadline is my guess.

    Could be right but I almost always take the simpler approach to these – that, without Benning, Jones is the 6th or 7th on their D depth chart and has earned his spot on the 3rd pairing – they are learning about his readiness for 3LD full time next season as well as what his next contract should look like.

    I think the org is a bit down on Lagesson given deployment.

  146. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Logan Couture out with a broken ankle.

    That should be the final stake to the heart.

    The vultures will start circling.

    Joe Thornton for 3C?

  147. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Could be right but I almost always take the simpler approach to these – that, without Benning, Jones is the 6th or 7th on their D depth chart and has earned his spot on the 3rd pairing – they are learning about his readiness for 3LD full time next season as well as what his next contract should look like.

    I think the org is a bit down on Lagesson given deployment.

    Nashville is a happening place. Lots of people in cowboy hats. Russell for Bonino. Solves a lot of problems.

  148. v4ance says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Stauffer:

    Neal-McDavid-Kassian
    RNH-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Gagner-Haas-Chiasson
    Nygard-Sheahan-Archibald
    Khaira-P.Russell

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Jones-K Russell
    Lagesson-Benning

    Smith
    Koskinen

    ———————-

    Interesting that its Gagner in for Khaira and not P. Russell, in particular given PK implications.

    Interesting that it looks like maybe Smith is getting the start – not official by any stretch.

    I don’t like it.

    Smith has only given 2 us quality starts in his past 10 games; full credit for his Boston performance. He was lucky his team outscored the Leafs. The expected goals was 5-3 in favor of the Oilers and the final score of 6-4 indicates none of the goalies had a standout performance but Smith stopped enough rubber for the win. Unfortunately Tippett will conclude incorrectly that Smith has bounced back to good form and give him 3-5 more starts to show what a battler he is.

    I predict a 4-1 loss to the Canadiens with the Oilers playing down to the competition. Smith is gonna give up another weak glove side goal and or flail at a shot off an odd man rush that could have been saved by a more technically sound goalie.

    On the other hand, Khaira gets a well deserved demotion to the press box. His line was on the ice for two goals against in Toronto. Sheahan and Archibald seem to have some chemistry on the forecheck and on the PK but JJ seems lost right now.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    Brantford Boy:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Interesting… I was actually doing a comparison for Nurse… yes 4.5M is on the light side, I think 5.5M per X years should be doable, no?

    His contract would eat more RFA years than Andresson and, frankly, that seems high to me.

    Don’t get me wrong, he is reasonably likely to be value for that contract but he very well could be “just value” as opposed to it becoming a value contract.

    It seems a bit high and about $1.75M more than I was hoping.

    WIth Rasmus’ new deal, that hope I had is essentially gone.

    How in the world would will we be able to fit $5M plus in for Bear and, either keep Zack or replace his production in the top 6? Even with a clean disposition of Russell, which may not be do-able? I’m assuming Nurse is signed for apx $6.5M because, realistically, that’s what’s going to happen.

    We may need to move on from Adam Larsson this off-season and that’s not idea given it would essentially need to be for future.

    Come on Matt Benning, be able to be the same player you’ve been.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    Granlund playing with Malone and Joe G.

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cave centers Maksi and Esposito as it has been.

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    McLeod get the bump to 1C between Currie and Benson – awesome!

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    Currie draws a PP.

    PP1 – Benson, Jon G., Malone, Bouchard, Currie.

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nice PP goal – Bouchard walks the line, goes cross-blue to Benson, shot on net and Malone buries the rebound in to a gaping cage.

    Benson continues to roll and rack up points.

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great job by the Leafs to tie it up in the dying seconds.

    WIN won’t get a regulation win – the tie break could very well be material – Oilers lead on most team, even those ahead of them.

    Off to a shootout.

  156. jp says:

    leadfarmer: Yes but in the opposite side you can very easily ignore the 200 DSF related posts or some of the other people others may want to ignore

    Where’s Stephen Sheps?

    There must be a sociological study in what people prefer thread vs straight comments, right?

    (not to single you out at all in this, lead!)

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maskimov with a real nice pass to Esposito for a chance plus a rebound chance – his offensive confidence at this level is coming.

    Can’t wait for him to get elevated to the top 6 once Benson is called up.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wheeler wins it in round 4 – blah.

  159. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors vs. Stockton Heat; January 8, 2020; first run

    Gambardella – Malone – Granlund
    Esposito – Cave – Maksimov
    Benson – McLeod – Currie
    Stukel – Hebig – Koules

    Manning – Persson
    Lowe – Bouchard
    Kulevich – Day

    • Wilde says:

      Bakersfield Condors vs. Stockton Heat; January 8, 2020; after first Period:

      9CF-15CA
      6FF-13FA
      0GF-0GA

      Top F: Cave (2.56 Game Score)
      1 shot attempts, 1 shot assist
      5CF-2CA
      0GF-0GA

      Top D: Bouchard (deployment tiebreaker w/ Kulevich; -0.05 Game Score)
      0 shot attempts, 0 shot assist
      5CF-9CA
      0GF-0GA

      • Wilde says:

        Bakersfield Condors vs. Stockton Heat; January 8, 2020; after two Periods:

        19CF-33CA
        15FF-22FA
        0GF-0GA

        Top F: Esposito (0.16 GS)
        3 shot att, 0 shot asst
        7CF-7CA
        0GF-0GA

        Top D: Bouchard (-0.05 GS)
        1 shot att, 0 shot asst
        9CF-14CA
        0GF-0GA

        • Wilde says:

          Bakersfield Condors vs. Stockton Heat; January 8, 2020; game totals:

          26CF-48CA
          16FF-33FA
          0GF-1GA

          Top F: Cave (0.11 Game Score)
          2 shot attempts, 1 shot assist
          10CF-11CA
          0GF-0GA

          Top D: Day (-0.10 Game Score)
          0 shot attempts, 1 shot assist
          7CF-10CA
          0GF-0GA

          Really dark energy haunted this game. 0/10.

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    On the broadcast, Holt just mentioned that Granlund got off the plane today and met his teammates and the staff – sounds like he just joined the team. Maybe he had some VISA issues and that’s why he wasn’t playing?

    With that said, I do recall seeing pictures of him practicing with the team shortly after the re-assignment.

    Weird

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    Offensive zone draw won back to Bouchar who skates it down low and draws a tripping penalty.

    PP1 same as the first PP.

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    Day, Persson, Granlund, Cave, McLeod as PP2.

    Wish Maksimov was on there – the Ovie spot on the PP was a specialty of his in the OHL.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    McLeod with a breakaway on a feed from Benson but the puck was bouncing – got a decent shot on net but wasn’t able to do too much with it.

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    After making 39 of 40 saves last game (and playing MUCH better over the last few weeks), Skinner again looks really good. Hasn’t been all that busy but has made two or three solid saves.

    A few shots at the end by Stockton and Skinner makes 14 saves in the first – a bigger workload that I thought

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    A fantastic pass from Benson to send Malone in all alone and he puts the Condors up 2-0 on another PP goal.

    Just a great pass from Benson.

    Nice battle by Joe G. on the half boards in the neutral zone to get the puck down to Benson.

    Ryan Holt keeps saying Currie but that was 16, Benson.

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    I missed this little nugget earlier today:

    “Another potential restricted free agent in New York, Ryan Strome, could likely be had at the right price.”

    https://theathletic.com/1517143/2020/01/08/nhl-trade-big-board-28-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/

    Acquisition price has likely increased vastly since last time he was traded – sigh

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson takes advantage of a Heat turnover and sets up Currie for a clear one-timer from the slot but Gillies makes the save.

    Benson is rolling.

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    PK1:

    Granlund/Malone

    Lowe/Bouchard

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    PK is a relatively new thing for Bouchard at the pro level.

  170. YKOil says:

    ArmchairGM: Joe Thornton for 3C?

    That would be a thing. That said, what would one want out of San Jose and what would Wilson actually give up? I think he’s too invested for a rebuild.

    Meier, Hertl, Lebanc… and… yeah, that’s it pretty much. I like all three.

    Meier and Hertl represent significant investments so Lebanc is the easiest to pick up (also fits the most obvious need). His ultra-team friendly $1m contract is rumored to come with unofficial promises from the Sharks for a proper contract next year so that would need to be calculated in – he’s also arb eligile so if San Jose is home-home then a premium may need to be paid to lock him in past his arb advantage years.

  171. Jethro Tull says:

    I think LT did the thread thing to divert attention from the fact that he’s done a draft article:

    a) In January
    b) While the Oilers are playing meaningful games

  172. YKOil says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Makes sense.

  173. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Joe Thornton for 3C?

    Of course, this was before the Logan C injury:

    18. Melker Karlsson, San Jose Sharks – It would be more exciting to have Joe Thornton in this slot. Maybe sell a few more subscriptions. But Thornton is only leaving San Jose on his request, and when asked if he’d even consider wanting a trade out of San Jose, he shot it down. “It hasn’t even entered my mind,” Thornton said. “I think this team is going to make the playoffs.” Karlsson, who would be a PK boost for a team looking to add forward depth, is a much more likely trade candidate.

    https://theathletic.com/1517143/2020/01/08/nhl-trade-big-board-28-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/

  174. OriginalPouzar says:

    Heat tie it up 25 seconds in to the second – deflected shot gets poked home, apparently (says Holt).

    It was on a delayed penalty and the camera man decided it was important to show the goalie skating towards the bench.

  175. OriginalPouzar says:

    Missed the Heat go-ahead goal but the Heat have essentially dominated the third

  176. duct tape and foil says:

    Agree that Russell would be the better option if you just want nothing to happen while L3 is on the ice – but I kind of like the speedy Swede with Archie and Shea. He was a forechecking demon in Toronto and might add another dimension to that line. Can he handle the tougher competition???? Looks like they want some offense from the Haas/Chaser line so adding Gags makes sense from that perspective.

    We are agonizingly close to being a decent team. Add a young LW with speed and size like Woods and a real 3C like Bonino and the team looks damn good.

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t disagree at all and it looks like you might be right on the healthy scratch tomorrow.

    I do have concern about his deletion from the lineup and Gagner in (as oppossed to P. Russell) – don’t get me wrong, I actually like Gagner more than most and he often has a couple plus games when inserted back in to the lineup before falling off, however, I am concerned about the PK and Khaira has been a big part of that.Drai may be asked to pick up the slack. Yamamoto may be asked to PK – neither are ideal, in my opinion.

  177. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: In a similar vein, we saw ALOT of posts over the last 3 weeks about Zegras and Broberg and their performances – not only is this tournament often over-valued in this regard but we are talking about a forward vs. an 18 year old playing for the team with the deepest d-corp.

    Yeah stick to that story. I’m not a brain surgeon all I know is we should have drafted a forward to help out Leon and Connor the clock is ticking we have 5-6 years before they bail. If we win it’s a whole new ball of wax.Holland wake up and make a couple of smart trades. Give me the gun and I’ll pull the trigger on a 3C and a Josh Anderson.

  178. Reja says:

    As the great Mel Gibson once said Freedom ….. best Commie line ever Khalamov Petrov and Mikhailov. Holland wake the eff up bring up Benson who deserves a real pay cheque or make a trade.

  179. Professor Q says:

    Reja: Yeah stick to that story. I’m not a brain surgeon all I know is we should have drafted a forward to help outLeon and Connor the clock is ticking we have 5-6 years before they bail. If we win it’s a whole new ball of wax.Hollandwake up and make a couple of smart trades. Give me the gun and I’ll pull the trigger on a 3C and a Josh Anderson.

    Lavoie.

    However, we have other forwards in the system who can contribute. Whether it be this season (Yamamoto, Benson) or in the next few seasons (McLeod, Benson, Maksimov, Lavoie, those Czech kids, maybe even Safin and Denezhkin).

    McDrai aren’t going anywhere. People need to relax.

  180. v4ance says:

    OriginalPouzar: His contract would eat more RFA years than Andresson and, frankly, that seems high to me.

    Don’t get me wrong, he is reasonably likely to be value for that contract but he very well could be “just value” as opposed to it becoming a value contract.

    It seems a bit high and about $1.75M more than I was hoping.

    WIth Rasmus’ new deal, that hope I had is essentially gone.

    How in the world would will we be able to fit $5M plus in for Bear and, either keep Zack or replace his production in the top 6?Even with a clean disposition of Russell, which may not be do-able?I’m assuming Nurse is signed for apx $6.5M because, realistically, that’s what’s going to happen.

    We may need to move on from Adam Larsson this off-season and that’s not idea given it would essentially need to be for future.

    Come on Matt Benning, be able to be the same player you’ve been.

    I don’t think Bear will command $5 mil per year even on a long term contract. If we look at his performance history, the Oilers can say he’s only been NHL quality since the start of this season. There’s no multi-season “body of work” that justifies a large raise added to his status as a former 5th round pick.

    If we bridge deal him after this season, we could offer him ~$2.5-3.5 million on a 3 year deal. But that would expose us to the same situation that we’re seeing with Darnell Nurse at the end of this season requiring a drastic raise.

    I would offer Bear the “modified Klefbom deal” $3, $3.5, $4, $4.5, $4.5, $5, $5.5, $6 million which works out to $36 million over 8 years at an AAV of $4.5M. I think it’d be very tempting for Bear to lock in 8 years of stability while only giving up 3 years of UFA. I was hoping Holland would get a cheaper deal (Under $4M AAV) like this done earlier but every game Bear plays increases his negotiating leverage and contract value.

    As an aside, once Bear signs the 8 year deal, I ask the coach to rotate him onto PP1 more often now that his production won’t affect his contract negotiations …. I think his rocket point shot could open up more scoring opportunites on that first unit.

  181. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Of course, this was before the Logan C injury:

    18. Melker Karlsson, San Jose Sharks – It would be more exciting to have Joe Thornton in this slot. Maybe sell a few more subscriptions. But Thornton is only leaving San Jose on his request, and when asked if he’d even consider wanting a trade out of San Jose, he shot it down. “It hasn’t even entered my mind,” Thornton said. “I think this team is going to make the playoffs.” Karlsson, who would be a PK boost for a team looking to add forward depth, is a much more likely trade candidate.

    https://theathletic.com/1517143/2020/01/08/nhl-trade-big-board-28-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/

    We’ll see what he thinks in a month.

  182. Bulging Twine says:

    Holland says he’s waiting to see where the team is near the trade deadline before he makes any moves.
    If a team is in the playoffs, anything can happen he recently stated. That’s his mindset. So I’m guessing that if they are in a playoff spot at the deadline he will add.

    17 games until the trade deadline

    Will they hold steady, drop out or climb the ladder.

  183. Bulging Twine says:

    March schedule is murderous.

    16 games in 30 days

  184. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Ken Holland’s targets for his first trade deadline with the Oilers

    https://theathletic.com/1517837/2020/01/09/lowetide-ken-hollands-first-trade-deadline-with-the-edmonton-oilers-the-targets/

  185. godot10 says:

    Bulging Twine:
    March schedule is murderous.

    16 games in 30 days

    Mostly at home.

  186. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Yeah stick to that story. I’m not a brain surgeon all I know is we should have drafted a forward to help outLeon and Connor the clock is ticking we have 5-6 years before they bail. If we win it’s a whole new ball of wax.Hollandwake up and make a couple of smart trades. Give me the gun and I’ll pull the trigger on a 3C and a Josh Anderson.

    I’m going to nitpick here and posit that you meant to say: “What I think” as opposed to “all I know” due to that being opinion based. In your opinion they should have drafted a forward – it is not factual to say that was right and drafting a “further away d-man” was wrong. In fact, many think that its always best player available in the first round so if Holland determined that was Broberg then drafting a forward based on need would be “wrong”.

  187. OriginalPouzar says:

    ProfessorQ: Lavoie.

    However, we have other forwards in the system who can contribute. Whether it be this season (Yamamoto, Benson) or in the next few seasons (McLeod, Benson, Maksimov, Lavoie, those Czech kids, maybe even Safin and Denezhkin).

    McDrai aren’t going anywhere. People need to relax.

    I agree with the last sentence completely.

    I always here about “wasting McDavid years”, etc. – ya, I get it, however, at the same time, he is in the 2nd year of an 8 year contract and is 22 years old. He is nearing his offensive prime but his overall prime is still 3-4 years away – he’s got lots of developing to do in various areas (non-offensive areas).

    The window with him and Drai is not closing, in fact, its just starting to open.

    The fanbase hates to be asked to “be patient”, however, there is new management in town who want to “do it right” – it’ll take a bit of time – not years and years and years but a couple and, if its done right without high risk moves that could crater the plan, it is likely to be highly rewarding.

    Not saying don’t look to improve or even make major moves to improve – but they need to be done with reason and a view to the medium term, and not just the short term. Even a Nurse or a Bouchard could be moved in my opinion but not in a short term deal.

  188. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot: Mostly at home.

    Is that a good thing?

    Less travel is good but, at this point, more team success has been had on the road.

    That needs to change.

  189. OriginalPouzar says:

    Willis is also reporting that Tip said not to read too much in to Khaira not skating on one of the four lines yesterday.

    I would think the coach would be apt to keep the lines (and pairings) that beat two very good teams together even if there was an individual performance that was weak.

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