The Fourth Round

by Lowetide

As luck would have it, the last decade’s worth of fourth round picks have been more productive for the Edmonton Oilers than the second rounds. The gap will grow, as the fourth round in 2015 saw Caleb Jones taken, he is going to be a productive player for a long time. Are there any other gems coming down the pipe?

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THE FOURTH ROUND

  • 2010: Jeremie Blain (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2011: Dillon Simpson (3) (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2011: Tobias Rieder (434) (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2012: Erik Gustafsson (221) (Steve Tambellini) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2013: Jackson Houck (Craig MacTavish) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2013: Kyle Platzer (Craig MacTavish) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2013: Aidan Muir (Craig MacTavish) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2014: William Lagesson (8) (Craig MacTavish) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2014: Zach Nagelvoort (Craig MacTavish) (Stu MacGregor)
  • 2015: Caleb Jones (60) (Peter Chiarelli) (Bob Green)
  • 2017: Ostap Safin (Peter Chiarelli) (Bob Green)
  • 2019: Matej Blumel (Ken Holland) (Bob Green)

Oilers second-round picks in the 2010’s played fewer NHL games than the fourth rounders.

More important is that Rieder, Gustafsson and Jones are better players than Pitlick and Marincin. Here are NHL games played by round in the years 2010-11 through 2019-20:

  • First Round: 3,281
  • Second Round: 487
  • Third Round: 321
  • Fourth Round: 718

Now that’s some crazy draft lists, ladies and men. It’ll continue for years into the next decade. Caleb Jones is a better hockey player than all the second-round picks in the 2010’s. How do the Oilers set up their draft lists?

I’m about to spend some time on the forwards drafted in the second and fourth rounds, but want to spend just a moment on the key fourth-round pick over the decade: Caleb Jones. Rieder and Gustafsson got away, but Jones signed and is a top flight young defenseman. Speed, skill, intelligence. If you grab one thought from today’s discussion, let it be Caleb Jones is a fantastic fourth-round pick.

OILERS SECOND ROUND PICKS (FORWARDS)

Edmonton chose a forward in the second round seven times, and the early picks weren’t close to value in terms of NHLE. Recent seasons have seen an improvement and as always I’m flummoxed that the organization didn’t invest more time in Marco Roy.

The most recent picks are on a higher trajectory than Pitlick, Hamilton and Moroz from earlier in the decade. The Moroz pick was 2012, the Roy pick 2013.

What changed? MacTavish became general manager.

OILERS FOURTH ROUND PICKS (FORWARDS)

Tobias Rieder, chosen in the fourth round in 2011, had a better NHLE than Tyler Pitlick and Curtis Hamilton, who were second round picks in 2010.

Early days but both of Holland’s 2019 picks (Lavoie and Blumel) posted strong NHLE’s. I don’t believe Holland or Tyler Wright track prospects using NHLE but there’s more than one way to use math and NHLE isn’t perfect. Here are the NHLE’s for the final 10 forwards drafted by Detroit before Holland’s exit:

  1. Filip Zadina (first round, 2018): 33.5
  2. Jonatan Berggren (second round, 2018): 30.8
  3. Joe Veleno (first round, 2018): 28.7
  4. Michael Rasumussen (first round, 2017) 27.2
  5. Jack Adams (sixth round, 2017): 23.6
  6. Otto Kivenmaki (seventh round, 2018): 21.3
  7. Lane Zablocki (third round, 2017): 20.9
  8. Zachary Gallant (third round, 2017): 20.8
  9. Brady Gilmour (seventh round, 2017): 19.2
  10. Ryan O’Reilly (fourth round, 2018): 16.7

The first three names on the list are genuinely good prospects and their NHLE reflects it. Michael Rasmussen was a No. 9 overall pick, his NHLE was not a strong one (Kailer Yamamoto was taken No. 22 overall in the same draft and owned a 37.7 NHLE) and it does appear offense will be an issue. Berggren was a strong pick in the second round based on NHLE, Veleno a quality pick late in the first round. I don’t see any poor selections here, Jack Adams and Kivenmaki are quite reasonable bets.

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OriginalPouzar

The Caleb Jones re-signing signing was impeccable in both term and timing.

The contract is barely over the league minimum (and for a couple of years) and it was signed essentially right before Jones solidified himself as “an NHL player” – an every day NHL d-man. He then took the Klefbom injury and showed that, more likely than not, he will be a legit every day top 4 puck moving d-man. He hasn’t quite solidified that label but, assuming an 82 game 2020/21 season, I believe he will within 6-12 months.

This is a massive value contract.

Munny

LT said:

Jones signed and is a top flight young defenseman.

Woah, horsey!

I think this comes across as a stronger statement than intended.

Kid played 43 games last year and had 9 points. Beauty arrow, but he has some ways to go yet—sure he’s blue chip, but a” top flight young defenseman” doesn’t leave room for the Makars, Hughes, Heiskanens of this world.

/nitpick

SVR

Sorry about bringing yesterday’s topic into this thread, but I’m curious about the possibility of JP and the expansion draft. It was mentioned a couple of times by N64.

Is Jesse eligible to be picked if he is unsigned? If so, that would be a great result imo. If not, would Seattle be allowed to speak with him and. make a “deal” where he signs with Edmonton then Seattle picks him in the draft? Or maybe that’s not allowed.

N64

I was referring to the scenario where JP proves to himself and everyone next year that Finland is way too small a stage and that he’s ready for top 6 in the NHL. That’s not just about scoring a little more than last year. That’s about the whole 180 foot game and some beast mode.

That road most likely goes through Oil training camp and perhaps elsewhere after a year if he still desires.

But I also referred to the extreme scenario where the Kraken claim him and not Jones. In other words if he’s ready to stride into the Oil or Kraken camp it’s a win either way.

Munny

Lowetide,

Lol, well I’m not doubting his bona fides, but 25 games is far too small a sample for me to place him in the top echelon of young defenseman (the names mentioned above). Your mileage may vary.

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I think one measure we can use is how does Jones compare to other young Oiler D from recent history, both by stat and by eye. I think, for example he is superior to Marincin in most facets and MM has carved a modest career for himself. If MM is a 6-7, Jones certainly is trending, IMO to becoming a 3-4.

Still early, I know, but I’ve seen Peckham, et al and can see Jones’ is clearly set up for the possibility of long NHL career with what skills he has shown and I am confident he will only improve.

Munny

SVR:
Sorry about bringing yesterday’s topic into this thread, but I’m curious about the possibility of JP and the expansion draft. It was mentioned a couple of times by N64.

Is Jesse eligible to be picked if he is unsigned? If so, that would be a great result imo. If not, would Seattle be allowed to speak with him and. make a “deal” where he signs with Edmonton then Seattle picks him in the draft? Or maybe that’s not allowed.

Expansion is the first real crunch time for the way Holland is playing his hand. I can’t see him wasting a protected slot on the young man.

That said, I’m also not certain the Krak would take him. But there would certainly be peril.

N64

If he’s worth the Kraken claiming over Jones but still won’t report here that can still be a win. Only player we’d lose is the one who won’t report.

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JP is still a substantial talent and points aside, he still led Liiga by almost 100 total shots. I don’t know about you, but anyone who averages 6.7 shots per game gets my attention.

Assuming he gets dealt at the draft, what does JP’s value look like to you?

I posted this last night, but I think his value is in this ballpark:

NJ – Janne Kuokkanen + NJ 2020 4th & 2020 6th
Bos – Jack Studnicka + Bos 2020 3rd
Car – Morgan Geekie + Buf 2020 3rd
Chi – MacKenzie Entwistle + Chi 2020 3rd
Fla – Aleksi Saarela + Fla 2020 3rd
NYI – Otto Koivula + NYI 2020 3rd + 6th
NYI – Kiefer Bellows + NYI 2020 3rd + 7th
Phi – Isaac Ratcliffe + Phi 2020 2nd
Ott – Jonathan Gruden + NYI 2020 2nd

leadfarmer

Munny:
LT said:

Jones signed and is a top flight young defenseman.

Woah, horsey!

I think this comes across as a stronger statement than intended.

Kid played 43 games last year and had 9 points.Beauty arrow, but he has some ways to go yet—sure he’s blue chip, but a” top flight young defenseman” doesn’t leave room for the Makars, Hughes, Heiskanens of this world.

/nitpick

Well he does use the term pisscutter for bottom 6 players

Munny

Hey, when you played through Witcher 3 on your second run, LF, did you do it as New Game+ or start fresh (upped to Death march for eg)?

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LT,

Oh wow, I didn’t see this, I do everything on my phone and didn’t see the entire stat line, until I turned my phone for a wider view. I didn’t realize “S” is actually “SA” on this site.
Man, even at my advanced middle age you teach me something new almost every day 🙂

I know he is not a natural goal scorer, he definitely has shown to have a fairly good shot, but in Liiga it seemed to me that he takes a lot of shots from distance. I think he is a superior passer and forechecker, along with his skating and reach, these are his above-average attributes. But a superior shot total, IMO is a testament to a player that can get open and/make space for themselves, which speaks to the possibility of being a dominant player.

Munny

€√¥£€^$:
JP is still a substantial talent and points aside, he still led Liiga by almost 100 total shots.I don’t know about you, but anyone who averages 6.7 shots per game gets my attention.

Assuming he gets dealt at the draft, what does JP’s value look like to you?

I posted this last night, but I think his value is in this ballpark:

NJ – Janne Kuokkanen + NJ 2020 4th & 2020 6th
Bos – Jack Studnicka + Bos 2020 3rd
Car – Morgan Geekie + Buf 2020 3rd
Chi – MacKenzie Entwistle + Chi 2020 3rd
Fla – Aleksi Saarela + Fla 2020 3rd
NYI – Otto Koivula + NYI 2020 3rd + 6th
NYI – Kiefer Bellows + NYI 2020 3rd + 7th
Phi – Isaac Ratcliffe + Phi 2020 2nd
Ott – Jonathan Gruden + NYI 2020 2nd

I would consider the BOS and PHA deals. Would prefer a wayward NHLer though.

jtblack

wonder if the NHL will host a virtual draft like the NFL …. ??

geowal

It seems like a no brainer. I know it’s nice for kids to walk the podium and be given a jersey but it’s not really essential. More important is the timing. The draft is always before the signing deadline. Which is always after the playoffs. Teams that have just won the cup do things differently than first round sweeps. I don’t see how they can hold the draft until the playoffs are either held (in August) or cancelled outright.

jtblack

thanks. have to agree. The NHL probably already has a deadline that they are considering to determine if the playoffs can be played this year.

My guess would be that IF they are not allowed to play games until September, there will be no 2020 Cup champion. They would just start the new season as normal.

Now they may a different opinion (Start playoffs Sept and crown a champion by Mid October; reset for 2 or 3 weeks and then start the new season)??

It’s going to be so interesting to see how it plays out …

geowal

Could you expand on the Craig MacTavish comment? I’m not sure what you’re suggesting here.

As for the 4th round, it seems like that’s the point where prior, interfering GMs stopped meddling and making organizational need picks based on things like shoe size and stead just let the scouts make the best pick available, trust the list, etc.

SVR

Lowetide: I think that would be a poor result. JP has value and the Oilers need to extract it and turn the asset returned into something useful. Second-round pick and a lesser prospect is my guess.

I agree, there could be some trade value in JP, most likely a draft pick like you say. I just think that it would be better to lose a player to Seattle that isn’t going to play fur you, than losing a Caleb Jones, or Tyler Benson.

RT26

I would not shut the door on JP playing in Edmonton. He is young and you will never get fair value for him in a trade.

If he could be coaxed back, I would love to see:

Athanasiou McD Puljujarvi
Kassian Drai Yamamoto
Benson/ Ennis Nuge Archibald
Khaira Sheahan P. Russell

defmn

/// If you grab one thought from today’s discussion, let it be Caleb Jones is a fantastic fourth-round pick. ///

I would go so far as to claim that Caleb Jones would qualify as a fantastic second round pick. I think he and Bear are going to make Oilers’ fans smile for quite a few years.

Bryan

RT26:
I would not shut the door on JP playing in Edmonton. He is young and you will never get fair value for him in a trade.

If he could be coaxed back, I would love to see:

Athanasiou McD Puljujarvi
Kassian DraiYamamoto
Benson/ EnnisNuge Archibald
Khaira Sheahan P. Russell

I agree. Even if one of the picks do pan out they are several years off. Jesse should be ready to roll if he ever will be. People seem to forget that he had double hip surgery last offseason as well which isn’t a simple thing. I hope some of his Oiler teammates are sending him texts occasionally to let him know they haven’t forgotten about him. It would also be helpful if he found a different agent. Any move with him has risk involved but getting him into camp whenever that is has the most upside.

Material Elvis

RT26:
I would not shut the door on JP playing in Edmonton. He is young and you will never get fair value for him in a trade.

If he could be coaxed back, I would love to see:

Athanasiou McD Puljujarvi
Kassian DraiYamamoto
Benson/ EnnisNuge Archibald
Khaira Sheahan P. Russell

Why would you want to take RNH off the second line? He’s an excellent winger with Draisaitl; he doesn’t drive his own line offensively. And that McDavid line…. when is the best player going to touch the puck playing with those two? AA wants to carry it himself and JP wants to fire wrist shots from the blue line.

leadfarmer

Munny:
Hey, when you played through Witcher 3 on your second run, LF, did you do it as New Game+ or start fresh (upped to Death march for eg)?

I just started a new game on higher difficulty.
You’re replaying it already? Impressive
I’m occupying my time playing total war 3 kingdoms which if you like turned based strategy games with military strategy it’s very addicting. Think civilization games but you control the actual fight

Munny

I do like Civilization and turn-based strat. Bought Stellaris at Xmas but was disappointed. Almost bought Civilization: Revolution on sale at Walmart this morning while getting groceries.

As for Witcher… not really all that impressive on my part, I was already halfway through the last expansion pak so had little of the main story left. I was thinking I should go kill/investigate all those question marks on the map that I’ve been avoiding because I didn’t want to level too fast (reduces XP on existing quests).

I’ve been playing a sign build (which has been pretty OP the last 20 levels) and was thinking I should try an alchemy build but have been reading they’re even more OPed.

leadfarmer

With the likely reopening of the US economy in May we probably should come to the realization that this virus is not going away any time soon. I don’t see sporting events with fans in the foreseeable future including next season until one by one most of us get the virus
I would like to see the NHL work on a plan of putting divisions in one or two cities and have intradivision games and decrease the amount of games that if players start getting infected you can put games on hold for that division . Let’s say 50 games season

BONE207

I hope all the draft picks develop much more systematically than under previous regimes. I wonder how much of it can be attributed to some solid work done with the coaches on the farm or was it the entire philosophy from the top down. It will be something to keep track of for the next few years should the entire structure remain fairly intact.

OriginalPouzar

I don’t know about others but, heck ya, I’d prefer to have a high 2nd round pick than not have a high 2nd round pick.

Our last three 2nd round picks are Benson, McLeod, Lavoie – I’m quite happy that each and every one of them are in the org.

Of course, if its reasonable to think that an asset greater than a 2nd round pick could be obtained for Jesse by holding out longer then, yes, absolutely, I’m in no rush. I just don’t see his value increasing from where it is today. He was just one of the better players in a good European men’s league at 21. Him doing that again at 22 doesn’t really move the needle any higher, in my opinion, unless he spikes huge with I don’t think is likely.

BONE207

I’d prefer to have a car than not have a car.

blainer

Another team KH could be talking with in a trade for JP is Montreal. The Habs have 8 picks in the first 105 selections with three in the 2nd round and two of those are fairly high in the 2nd.

This is also a team that always has pressure to compete and might just make a trade for JP. Plus IMO they still have a GM that is as incompetent as our last GM.

I could see that guy trading the 40th pick and a third for JP. I could also see Ottawa as a partner with all their pics and they have a lot in the first two rounds. They might just take a chance.

Carolina is another possible team with a couple of picks in the 2nd round as well.

Could be wishful thinking. At the end of the day nobody knows for sure how this player will turn out but for me I would at least try to get something for him.

Man did Ottawa ever fleece San Jose on the Karlsson deal. Love the fact the Sharks gave up sooo much of their future on that trade.

Munny

blainer: Could be wishful thinking. At the end of the day nobody knows for sure how this player will turn out but for me I would at least try to get something for him.

Is it imperative to get something for him now?

defmn

OriginalPouzar:
I don’t know about others but, heck ya, I’d prefer to have a high 2nd round pick than not have a high 2nd round pick.

Our last three 2nd round picks are Benson, McLeod, Lavoie – I’m quite happy that each and every one of them are in the org.

Of course, if its reasonable to think that an asset greater than a 2nd round pick could be obtained for Jesse by holding out longer then, yes, absolutely, I’m in no rush.I just don’t see his value increasing from where it is today.He was just one of the better players in a good European men’s league at 21. Him doing that again at 22 doesn’t really move the needle any higher, in my opinion, unless he spikes huge with I don’t think is likely.

Not to rehash the entire discussion from yesterday – which is where I think Lowetide would prefer it to take place – but every time you repeat your opinion that you don’t see Puljujarvi’s value increasing you base it upon his performance. I agree that is a reasonable, if unknowable assumption.

What I don’t think you are taking into account is that circumstances not directly related to Jesse’s on ice performance can also take place. A GM might have a similar player with slightly different issues he wants to move on from. A player could be blocked so that he can’t rise in that particular system because of the position he plays. Cap considerations might factor in if Jesse’s agent indicates to a GM that he will play for cheap just to get back.

There is nobody who would rather not have a high second round pick than have one. But that is only stating one half of the dynamic. I would rather have a 1956 Porsche 356A (T1) than my current vehicle but I can’t find anybody who wants to swap at a price I am willing to pay. It is what I am willing to pay for that 2nd rounder that is the disagreement. Not that I don’t want a high 2nd rounder.

And now that I have blatantly broken our hosts expressed desire to not have topics travel from the previous day’s topic I wish to apologize to him for doing so and promise I will not return to this subject today.

I think everything that could be said from both sides of the discussion has been pretty much beaten to death.

blainer

Munny: Is it imperative to get something for him now?


IMO I would take what I could get for him now just because he may have some value left. It’s risky either way as he could turn out to be a great player.

For me though I just don’t see it. I doubt he has been working on his English and just don’t think he gets how to play at the NHL level but that’s JMO.

I would trade him for sure if I could get a high 2nd rounder in this draft simply because this draft is soo good it could be like having a first rounder in most drafts.

Risky move whatever way you look at it . If he plays in the KHL next year he could end up being worth two first rounders in 2021 .. or could just as likely only fetch a fourth rounder.

Staying in Finland won’t do much for his value IMO.

defmn

Here are NHL games played by round in the years 2010-11 through 2019-20:

First Round: 3,281
Second Round: 487
Third Round: 321
Fourth Round: 718

I’m curious if anybody know what a ‘healthier’ distribution would look like. Should we expect something close to 1/3 of the games played by 2nd rounders to 1st rounders? Half as many?

Something south of 15% seems almost willfully pathetic.

leadfarmer

I would rather just use JP for the expansion draft than sell him for a second rounder. I Would rather not lose a roster player in a year than have a pick that may end up a roster player in a few years.
BTW I would still keep JP over Benson and McLeod who both probably top out as third liners

pts2pndr

You need a snickers bar?

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Material Elvis,

I agree, I don’t see a good fit with either JP and AA with 97, but I see AA and JP good fits together on a line. I keep saying it, but if there is a compliances buy-out, well more like 2 per team, Jeff Carter with those 2 would be an almost perfect fit on a 3rd line deployment.

Nuge, Drai & Yamo should stay together as long as they are all on this team.

CMD needs guys like Gallagher and Maroon on his wings.

Munny

blainer,

Fair enough.

But while his value isn’t likely to increase from here, it’s also unlikely to decrease. So there really isn’t much cost to waiting.

Plus I seriously doubt a good 2nd in this draft is obtainable.

But patience might lead to eventually finding a deal Holland can live with, while leaving room for Pujo to change his mind in the interim.

And you never know… he might actually have a record year next season in Finland, giving him some fame… and/or he might start doing and saying the right things off the ice. All unlikely, to be sure, but possible.

yeraslob

leadfarmer:
With the likely reopening of the US economy in May we probably should come to the realization that this virus is not going away any time soon.

The only way this virus dies is if it has dirt on the Clintons

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

Thread winner!

jtblack

OriginalPouzar:
I don’t know about others but, heck ya, I’d prefer to have a high 2nd round pick than not have a high 2nd round pick.

Our last three 2nd round picks are Benson, McLeod, Lavoie – I’m quite happy that each and every one of them are in the org.

Of course, if its reasonable to think that an asset greater than a 2nd round pick could be obtained for Jesse by holding out longer then, yes, absolutely, I’m in no rush.I just don’t see his value increasing from where it is today.He was just one of the better players in a good European men’s league at 21. Him doing that again at 22 doesn’t really move the needle any higher, in my opinion, unless he spikes huge with I don’t think is likely.

+1. get 2 – 2nds. that would be great. The more 2nd rounders Edm keeps drafting, eventually they are going to hit on a impact player.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Why do you hate AA?

Harpers Hair

Lowetide: If you go 8 skaters and one goalie:

Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Kailer Yamamoto, JP, Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones. Plus a goalie.

I don’t think it’s a worry. Sign Nuge after expansion. I might prefer Benson over Puljujarvi but it’s fairly easy to protect the Finn with the current expansion draft scenario.

You don’t think Nuge would be tempted to sign with Seattle?

Close to home and his horse racing stable.

Harpers Hair

Lowetide: He might want to sign with the Canucks. Oilers can only control so many things.

I’m thinking that with so much lead time, Seattle will assemble a very good team right out of the box.

Ron Francis is no dummy and they have already assembled a formidable analytics team as well as having Ray Ferraro as unofficial advisor through Cammi.

It should be a very attractive destination for free agents.

Unlikely Vancouver would sign him given their abundance of centres and their lack of cap space.

jtblack

“If you go 8 skaters and one goalie:
Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Kailer Yamamoto, JP, Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones. Plus a goalie. ”

def get an asset(s) for JP at the draft … you move on and build … it just didn’t work out with JP. Happens.

Then you can protect one more forward and should have 1 or 2 good prospects from the JP trade.

OriginalPouzar

SVR:
Sorry about bringing yesterday’s topic into this thread, but I’m curious about the possibility of JP and the expansion draft. It was mentioned a couple of times by N64.

Is Jesse eligible to be picked if he is unsigned? If so, that would be a great result imo. If not, would Seattle be allowed to speak with him and. make a “deal” where he signs with Edmonton then Seattle picks him in the draft? Or maybe that’s not allowed.

As an RFA, if not protected by the Oilers, he would be available to be selected by Seattle I believe.

Settle will be given a window prior to the expansion draft to speak with UFAs, i’m not sure if this applies to RFAs as well but I believe they could select an unsigned RFA.

leadfarmer

Lowetide: He might want to sign with the Canucks. Oilers can only control so many things.

Yeah I mean if it was that important to him why isn’t he playing for the Canucks.
HH is getting really desperate with his trolling

jtblack

Lowetide,

I sign Nuge. Keep building this thing out …. they are close to balance and Nuge is part of that … He might even be shaving by then ….

oilsnc79

Lmao… Good one LT

hunter1909

Lowetide: I think MacT, as general manager, brought some real innovation.

Lowetide: MacT should have spent some time learning the job. He could have been a good GM imo.

I agree. MacT “challenging” upcoming UFA Petry bordered on pure genius.

His innovative use of Skype re Ralph Krueger is another example.

jp

OriginalPouzar:
He was just one of the better players in a good European men’s league at 21. Him doing that again at 22 doesn’t really move the needle any higher, in my opinion, unless he spikes huge with I don’t think is likely.

I also don’t want to continue the Jesse Puljujarvi/draft pick discussion from yesterday but wanted add a little to this point. Yesterday I thought it was bs that Jesse couldn’t improve much on his SM-Liiga performance from what he did this year. I had a quick look just now and was shocked that the highest point total in the past 8 seasons in that league is 60 points, done 3 times in those 8 years. Damn tough league to score in. So yeah, hard to see Jesse scoring 80 or something next season.

wolf8888

What if he scores 10 more and becomes the only player to score over 60 in the last 9 years? Do you think that would get more attention from other clubs?

jp

Probably not. I don’t think 63 points would impress them overly.

who

leadfarmer:
I would rather just use JP for the expansion draft than sell him for a second rounder.I Would rather not lose a roster player in a year than have a pick that may end up a roster player in a few years.
BTW I would still keep JP over Benson and McLeod who both probably top out as third liners

Completely agree.

hunter1909

jp: I also don’t want to continue the Jesse Puljujarvi/draft pick discussion from yesterday but wanted add a little to this point. Yesterday I thought it was bs that Jesse couldn’t improve much on his SM-Liiga performancefrom what he did this year. I had a quick look just now and was shocked that the highest point total in the past 8 seasons in that league is 60 points, done 3 times in those 8 years. Damn tough league to score in. So yeah, hard to see Jesse scoring 80 or something next season.

Seems to me he just had a great season in Finland. But to some Lowetide posters that’s simply never going to be good enough – “second round trade the bum” etc

hunter1909

Lowetide: A little different than just a straight ‘trade the bum’ though. JP has stated he’s not playing in Edmonton and that changes the conversation.

True, dat.

OriginalPouzar

Lowetide: I think that would be a poor result. JP has value and the Oilers need to extract it and turn the asset returned into something useful. Second-round pick and a lesser prospect is my guess.

1) I thought he had zero value – I was told that last night by a non-Oiler fan in this community

2) Would Jesse being taken, allowing the team to keep someone like Jones or Benson (if he takes the next step) or AA, etc. not equate to some value?

OriginalPouzar

N64:
I was referring to the scenario where JP proves to himself and everyone next year that Finland is way too small a stage and that he’s ready for top 6 in the NHL. That’s not just about scoring a little more than last year. That’s about the whole 180 foot game and some beast mode.

That road most likely goes through Oil training camp and perhaps elsewhere after a year if he still desires.

But I also referred to the extreme scenario where the Kraken claim him and not Jones. In other words if he’s ready to stride into the Oil or Kraken camp it’s a win either way.

Jesse proved he is a dominant Liiga player at a young age.

I assume that increased his value somewhat, how much I/we don’t know.

I don’t think that he can increase his value that much more in Liiga and the only way to do so would be in the NHL – I just don’t see Jesse and the Oilers training camp being a realistic outcome.

If we moves to Russia and proves to be a top end KHL player in his early 20s, that would also serve to increase his value but I’m not sure that’s any more realistic than him playing for the Oilers.