Time-Release Christmas

I didn’t have Christmas as a kid, grew up in a religion that didn’t observe it. Don’t feel sorry for me, I was raised by two parents who loved me and received lots of toys and bikes and enough sense to make it this far. When I celebrated my first Christmas (in Leduc, with my friend’s family) it was a lovely afternoon and evening. Later this year, I will celebrate (God willing) Christmas No. 39 with Mrs. Lowetide and they’ve all been wonderful.

For me, the NHL draft is kind of like Christmas in summer. In most summers, I publish my final list June 1, then await my favorite lists. Corey Pronman and Scott Wheeler have published, Red Line Report has been out for several weeks, Steve Kournianos published his final list first week of June, Grant McCagg is out (and Simon Boisvert!) and HockeyProspect.com released its first round on Friday. Music! After we look at HP, we are down to Bob McKenzie’s list on Monday and then Craig Button when he publishes a final list. And then, we wait for Friday and the lottery, draft in October, November or hell maybe August.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, check it out here.

HP VERSUS LOWETIDE, FIRST ROUND 2020

This is a fascinating list. A reminder HP isn’t trying to predict the draft, this is a scouting staff ranking the players they would draft in order. Jamie Drysdale is the third defenseman, Marco Rossi is No. 9, Tristen Robins is in the top 15, and Samuel Johanneson is No. 31. Fantastic conversation can be enjoyed by looking over this list and drilling down on the decisions.

ROOKIE AHL FORWARDS AT 20, LAST 25 YEARS

Over the last two+ decades, the Oilers have had many forward prospects arrive at the pro level (age 20) and fail miserably in their efforts to make it to the show. Of those who did make an NHL impact, most are fringe players, enforcers or a combination of same. As I mentioned in Farm Workers the other day, the successes are men who emerge as quality role players, like Fernando Pisani, Daniel Cleary and Jason Chimera. They can mind the store and chip in offensively. Notice how many forwards ranked among the top 10 prospects below didn’t make a dent in the NHL. It’s what you can suppress, and what you can score. The outscorers make the show. Here they are, 32 strong, ranked by points-per-game:

1 Tyler Benson (18-19 Bakersfield Condors) 68gp, 15-51-66 .97 An exceptional rookie season, Benson’s passing ability and vision reflected in his assist total. He isn’t a pure offensive player, there are elements to his game that will be useful in a two-way role.

2 Michel Riesen (99-00 Hamilton Bulldogs). 73gp, 29-31-60 .822 Riesen’s quality AHL season at 20 is somewhat misleading in that it was his second year in the league. He played well no matter the circumstance, so well that his entire line (Riesen-Swanson-Cleary) won jobs in the fall of 2000 on the big club. His 99-00 AHL season and the pre-season in fall 2000 represent the highlight of his NHL career (plus the 12 games he actually got into 00-01).

3 Steve Kelly (96-97 Hamilton Bulldogs). 48gp, 9-29-38 .792 Kelly was a speed demon who the Oilers liked a “hair” more than Shane Doan at the draft in 1995. His pro debut wasn’t Doan-like (Doan had played over 130 NHL games by the spring of 1997) but he held his value better than did Bonsignore and ended up having a better (if hugely disappointing) NHL career.

4 Rob Schremp (06-07 SWB Penguins) 69gp, 17-36-53 .768 Schremp had a tough first year pro, getting benched a few times and was a healthy scratch a few times too. His coach did have some nice things to say about him but he was always dogged by skating and coverage issues.

5 Magnus Paajarvi (11-12 Oklahoma City Barons) 34gp, 7-18-25 .735 Paajarvi played in the NHL at 19, so this is kind of cheating (so is Riesen, the Euro’s have different rules). I like this player a great deal, great speed and an attention to the defensive game not often seen in such a young player. However, his rookie season aside, he didn’t score enough to stay in the NHL. He can skate like the wind, so don’t rule out a return.

6 Jarret Stoll(02-03 Hamilton Bulldogs) 76gp, 21-33-54 .711 The two things I remember about Stoll in the AHL are a goal he scored maybe 5 seconds after the faceoff at center-ice and that the “shared” Habs/Oil team that year was a beauty. Stoll played with really good players and had an excellent season, which he built upon to become a solid NHL player.

I have Raphael Lavoie’s reasonable expectations for 2020-21 here, .696 on 56, 18-21-39.

7 Marc Pouliot (05-06 Hamilton Bulldogs) 65gp, 15-30-45 .692 Pouliot played on a shared team (like Stoll) and put up excellent results. Of all the kids who’ve played extended AHL time this century for the Oilers, he’s the guy who I thought could have helped them in the two-way role. It never happened for him, some evidence he balked at the checking role and injury contributed to his lack of NHL success.

8 Jason Bonsignore (96-97 Hamilton Bulldogs). 78gp, 21-33-54 .692 Bonsignore’s career has been well documented and his 20-year old AHL season might have been his pro career highlight. These are reasonable scoring numbers for a player with a two-way game and the desire to work every shift. Bonsignore was not that player.

9 Peter Sarno (99-00 Hamilton Bulldogs). 67gp 10-36-46 .687 Sarno was an interesting prospect who ended up with 7 career NHL games for two different teams (Oilers and Columbus). He gained a solid reputation as a powerplay specialist and got a couple of long looks from the Oilers.

10 Jean Francois Jacques (05-06 Hamilton Bulldogs) 65gp, 24-20-44 .677ppg Jacques had a helluva pro debut and his size and speed made him a promising prospect. He lost a lot of momentum due to back injuries and lacked ‘hockey sense’.

11 Kailer Yamamoto (18-19 Bakersfield Condors) 27gp, 10-8-18 .67 High-end talent didn’t get a push during his AHL debut but showed his fearlessness and created mountains of offense. Has a good chance to be one of the very best names on this list when all is said and done.

12 Teemu Hartikainen (10-11 Oklahoma City Barons) 66gp, 17-25-42 .636 The big Finn was a pure delight and the first 20-year old AHL forward in a couple of years to show up on the radar in the Oilers system. He was a little shy on speed but could have had an NHL career with a little luck. He built a fine career in the KHL.

13 Kyle Brodziak (04-05 Edmonton Roadrunners) 56gp, 6-26-32 .571 Brodziak had a nice combination of size and skill. His AHL debut at 20 came on a very poor offensive team, and he built on that season (that team couldn’t score a lick), finally emerging as a legit NHL player about the time Edmonton traded him. He was an NHL regular for a long time, the next in line after Cleary, Pisani and Chimera on the list of successess.

14 Jani Rita (01-02 Hamilton Bulldogs) 76gp, 25-17-42 .553 I thought Jani Rita would make it, swear to God. I remember at WJC goal he scored (it was real, and it was spectacular) and also saw a few AHL games in which he always looked like he was having an impact (plus he could score goals, 63 in 204 AHL games). He never made it, but that first AHL season would have to rank as one of the best on this list.

15 Slava Trukhno (07-08 Springfield Falcons) 64GP, 14-21-35 .547 I loved his passing, Trukhno could really find the lane. He had a nice debut but was a bit of wide body skater and I don’t think Edmonton had a tremendous need for a slower skill LW at the time.

16 Bogdan Yakimov (14-15 Oklahoma City Barons) 57gp, 12-16-28 .491 This is a more impressive season than it looks here, Yakimov’s offense comes in a more defensive era than some of the numbers above him. Big man has a range of skills, bolted for Russia but he had ability.

17 Marco Roy (15-16 Bakersfield Condors) 42gp, 8-12-20 .480 One of the truly strange happenings from the Bakersfield era is the AHL contract doled to Roy. They put him on the fourth line, had him PK and he still outscored the other AHL forwards that year (Slepyshev, 21, excluded). For the life of me I’ll never understand the Oilers not signing him.

18 Georges Laraque (96-97 Hamilton Bulldogs). 73gp, 14-20-34 .466 Laraque is the only one of the three 20-year old AHL prospects in 96-97 to become an NHL player and contribute to his team’s wins. The other two were Steve Bleeding Kelly and Jason Bloody Bonsignore. BG was a world class enforcer and an effective shot suppression winger. When the big man held the puck down low in the opposition end, you could be sure nothing bad was going to happen. One of my favourites on this list, he was part of some legendary fourth lines.

19 Phil Cornet (10-11 Oklahoma City Barons) 60gp, 7-16-23 .383 He looked like a tweener from the start, I always liked his spirit. Made it to the NHL for two games and at 30 he’s productive in the Liiga.

20 Tyler Pitlick (11-12 Oklahoma City Barons) 62gp, 7-16-23 .371 Highly thought of on draft day 2010, a decade later he isn’t so much a failed pick as a slow developing one. He has played 248 games and is averaging 13.5 NHL goals per 82 games.

21 RW Greg Chase (15-16 Bakersfield Condors) 19gp, 1-6-7 .370 Chase didn’t make it but he was a talented prospect and fantastic value for where they drafted him. There’s much we don’t know about player development but his junior career warranted a longer AHL look before he was traded.

22 Jason Chimera (99-00 Hamilton Bulldogs) 78gp, 15-13-28 .359 Chimera was a speed demon who improved offensively by some distance during his entry deal in the AHL. He didn’t champion the finer points of the defensive game but stay in an NHL lineup forever.

23 Kyle Platzer (15-16 Bakersfield Condors) 48 gp, 6-11-17 .350 I always thought the pick was innovative, as Platzer was buried on a deep London Knights team in junior. He didn’t make the NHL but just posted a damn fine Liiga season.

24 Ryan Martindale (12-13 Oklahoma City Barons). 41gp, 6-8-14 He showed well in a couple training camps, you could see the size being an advantage and he could pass the puck. It never found its way to the regular season, not enough anyway.

25 Dan Lacouture (97-98 Hamilton Bulldogs). 77gp, 15-10-25 .325 Lacouture was a big kid with speed when he arrived in pro hockey. I remember him scoring a goal scorers goal against Boston (probably fall 2000) as he came in over the blueline and ripped a beauty by the goalie. Lacouture learned how to stay in the NHL after a time as a role player and played at least as long as his talent merited. The first discussion about the Oilers I ever had online was with Kim Gernack (redtwilight) in regard to his future. Miss that guy.

26 Curtis Hamilton (11-12 Oklahoma City Barons). 41gp, 5-6-11 .268 A wildly disappointing pro debut based on his final junior season, Hamilton never did get untracked during his entry level deal. Improved in year four and made it to the NHL for one game, but more was expected.

27 Kirill Maksimov (19-20 Bakersfield Condors) 53gp, 5-8-13 .250 A disappointing season but far from a confirmation he won’t have an NHL career. He can score goals, has utility and two more years to refine his skills.

28 Jujhar Khaira (14-15 Oklahoma City Barons) 51gp, 4-6-10 .196 He is 218 games into his NHL career despite a distinct lack of offense. Has established himself as a quality penalty killer, had a poor season five on five in 2019-20.

29 Travis Ewanyk (13-14 Oklahoma City Barons) 68gp, 7-5-12 .176 Ewanyk had a lot of nice things but the offense in junior suggested this would happen. What is the difference between Khaira and Ewanyk? Don’t know but both were shy offensively.

30 Zack Stortini (05-06 Iowa/Milwaukee) 64gp, 2-8-10 .156 Low event offensive player also slowed down the other side a little, but not on BG’s level. Got all he could out of his career and should be remembered as a guy MacT played over many more talented kids. Stortini earned every shift with hard work.

31 Mitch Moroz (14-15 Oklahoma City Barons) 66gp, 5-4-9 .136 Big man came off injury at the end of the Memorial Cup and then had some issues in the AHL, among them ice time. Moroz should have been drafted in the fourth round, don’t think he could overcome expectations.

32 Kale Kessy (13-14 Oklahoma City Barons) 54gp, 2-4-6 .111 Now universally hated for his hit on Cooper Marody, Kessy was never wildly popular with Oilers fans (return on the Rieder trade) but most of that wasn’t his fault. He was never going to score enough to make it.

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101 Responses to "Time-Release Christmas"

  1. Rondo says:

    LT,

    If you have Mark Edwards on your show ask him how did Seth Jarvis , Tristin Robins, and Ridley Greig make it into the top 15, when in January they were not in the top 31.

    Given that so many teams have traded their 1st rd pick in this years draft and an abundance older players in the 1st round late birthdays born in 2001, do you think this draft may not be as strong as people have been saying?

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ugh, Kale Kessy!

  3. dustrock says:

    Fascinating list. I like where they have Lundell though, he’s another Anton Lander I think.

    Seems like the top 8 are mostly surrounded but could be a wild first round. Really hope Holland gets a chance to grab a late 1st or 2nd

  4. hunter1909 says:

    Like to see Draisaitl one of the top players in the NHL up there with other, now “lesser” players like Ekblad up ahead of him.

    What made everyone first realise Draisaitl is elite? For me it was watching him thread a brilliant pass to Yakupov, that was simply a work of art on ice. Draisaitl might have turned Yaks into a 40 goal scorer.

  5. hunter1909 says:

    Pat Quinn would have loved Draisaitl

  6. Hitman77 says:

    I can see Jack Quinn at 6 but Jamie Drysdale at 12 is just WOW!

  7. Brantford Boy says:

    One thing that I took exceptional note to on this list is Noel Gunler… that NHLE doesn’t seem to fit in the class of players above or below him. I had to do a double take to see if I had missed something in the draft order when browsing the NHLE column. I understand it’s the SHL but a prospect rated that high in the order I would have assumed (or liked) to see a higher value. What makes this player so desirable?

    Perhaps if his 2018-19 and 2019-20 seasons were reversed I could make more sense of his value.
    https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/393444/noel-gunler

    LT, I know you’ve written about this player and he’s rated no lower that #22, what am I missing here?

  8. geowal says:

    I’ll never quite be able to get my head around your use of the word “untracked”, haha

  9. JimmyV1965 says:

    hunter1909:
    Like to see Draisaitl one of the top players in the NHL up there with other, now “lesser” players like Ekblad up ahead of him.

    What made everyone first realise Draisaitl is elite? For me it was watching him thread a brilliant pass to Yakupov, that was simply a work of art on ice. Draisaitl might have turned Yaks into a 40 goal scorer.

    For me, it was an exhibition game in his first full pro season. No single play stands out, he just dominated the game with his passing and puck protection. Was by the far the best player on the ice. Better than McDavid that game and they were on different lines. Was truly mystified when he was sent to the AHL.

  10. dustrock says:

    Brantford Boy:
    One thing that I took exceptional note to on this list is Noel Gunler… that NHLE doesn’t seem to fit in the class of players above or below him.I had to do a double take to see if I had missed something in the draft order when browsing the NHLE column.I understand it’s the SHL but a prospect rated that high in the order I would have assumed (or liked) to see a higher value.What makes this player so desirable?

    Perhaps if his 2018-19 and 2019-20 seasons were reversed I could make more sense of his value.
    https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/393444/noel-gunler

    LT, I know you’ve written about this player and he’s rated no lower that #22, what am I missing here?

    One of the best shots of the class. NHL level.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    Larry Brooks is advising that training camp will be only 2 weeks and then teams will head to hub for only one exhibition game prior to real games starting around July 30.

    3 weeks and two exhibition games was widely speculated.

  12. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Larry Brooks is advising that training camp will be only 2 weeks and then teams will head to hub for only one exhibition game prior to real games starting around July 30.

    3 weeks and two exhibition games was widely speculated.

    Well they better get everyone out of the south

  13. Brantford Boy says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I always appreciate your optimism OP… but I gotta ask, do you really think we’ll be watching hockey games in August?

    My guess is no… I’m usually not pessimistic but what’s happening down south has to be alarming to the league and players…

  14. Lowetide says:

    Brantford Boy:
    One thing that I took exceptional note to on this list is Noel Gunler… that NHLE doesn’t seem to fit in the class of players above or below him.I had to do a double take to see if I had missed something in the draft order when browsing the NHLE column.I understand it’s the SHL but a prospect rated that high in the order I would have assumed (or liked) to see a higher value.What makes this player so desirable?

    Perhaps if his 2018-19 and 2019-20 seasons were reversed I could make more sense of his value.
    https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/393444/noel-gunler

    LT, I know you’ve written about this player and he’s rated no lower that #22, what am I missing here?

    He played 9:49 per game, 9:01 at evens, scoring 4-9-13 in those minutes. That means he posted 1.92 points per 60 at even strength in the SHL.

    Lucas Raymond, universally regarded as a better prospect, scored 4-3-7 in nine minutes a night, that’s 1.41 per 60 at even strength.

    Alexander Holtz posted 7-5-12 but in 11+ minutes, so he had a 1.87 points per 60.

    NHLE has value, but in the case of Gunler doesn’t tell he entire story.

  15. leadfarmer says:

    Brantford Boy:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I always appreciate your optimism OP… but I gotta ask, do you really think we’ll be watching hockey games in August?

    My guess is no… I’m usually not pessimistic but what’s happening down south has to be alarming to the league and players…

    No I don’t think so
    All these plans will be scrapped. Very unlikely to see NFL games too
    All these isolation bubble plans are great until the virus breaks into the bubble

  16. defmn says:

    Lowetide: He played 9:49 per game, 9:01 at evens, scoring 4-9-13 in those minutes. That means he posted 1.92 points per 60 at even strength in the SHL.

    Lucas Raymond, universally regarded as a better prospect, scored 4-3-7 in nine minutes a night, that’s 1.41 per 60 at even strength.

    Alexander Holtz posted 7-5-12 but in 11+ minutes, so he had a 1.87 points per 60.

    NHLE has value, but in the case of Gunler doesn’t tell he entire story.

    Thanks for the clarification as it helps me make sense of things better as well.

    Further question if you don’t mind.

    Do you do these ‘points per 60’ calculations for all of these top end guys as part of your methodology? And if you do have you ever considered posting that number rather than or in addition to the NHLE?

    Thanks.

  17. Rondo says:

    I’d take Connor Zary at # 20

  18. defmn says:

    leadfarmer: No I don’t think so
    All these plans will be scrapped.Very unlikely to see NFL games too
    All these isolation bubble plans are great until the virus breaks into the bubble

    Maybe. But money drives a lot of decisions that don’t make sense in any other way.

  19. defmn says:

    Rondo:
    I’d take Connor Zary at # 20

    I thought we had decided as a board that we were picking at 27. 😉

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    Brantford Boy:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I always appreciate your optimism OP… but I gotta ask, do you really think we’ll be watching hockey games in August?

    My guess is no… I’m usually not pessimistic but what’s happening down south has to be alarming to the league and players…

    I do think we will be watching hockey games in August but they need to get the schedule and locations settled so players can get where they need to go, ensure they are “healthy” and, essentially, cut off from society in NHL stage 3 and 4 protocols.

  21. N64 says:

    leadfarmer: All these isolation bubble plans are great until the virus breaks into the bubble

    If the Brooks tweet is right the round robin is underway before 2 weeks in the bubble. That’s already a 4 team cohort only halfway through the 14 days.

    And if they get through that without a case to respark good luck not getting a spark from keeping this Vegas Cruise complex. Odds would be way better where service staff won’t be carrying a lot of this .

    NHL positivity rate 5.5% (cases appear to be from US South)

    Edmonton surveillance positivity rate 0.035%

  22. Brantford Boy says:

    Lowetide,

    Thank you!

    I’ve known about the “values” associated with the different leagues for some time, this table really helped understand your response (and other posts)… wow that’s “a lot of work” on your part, which I always assumed, but math – gross…
    –League– **Quality** –N–
    Russian Elite League 0.91 47
    Czech Republic League 0.61 35
    Swedish Elite League 0.59 72
    Finland SM-Liiga 0.54 75
    AHL/IHL 0.45
    Switzerland National League 0.40 28
    Deutsche Eishockey League 0.37 19
    NCAA 0.33 93

    It also explains why the DEL players don’t pop out on paper (website), specifically:
    Lukas Reichel
    https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/381687/lukas-reichel

    John-Jason Peterka
    https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/381855/john-jason-peterka

    Is this a good source for evaluating NHLE for the Canadian leagues?
    http://www.behindthenet.ca/projecting_to_nhl.php

    WHL N OHL N QMJHL N
    Junior to AHL 0.43 302 0.45 295 0.41 135
    Junior to NHL 0.30 143 0.30 205 0.28 62
    Implied AHL to NHL 0.70 0.67 0.68
    Observed AHL to NHL 0.65 154

    Merry Summer Christmas to all!

  23. Brantford Boy says:

    Rondo,

    I’m getting on board with this line of thought… Mercer “should” be long gone…

  24. leadfarmer says:

    N64: If the Brooks tweet is right the round robin is underway before 2 weeks in the bubble. That’salready a 4 team cohort only halfway through the 14 days.

    And if they get through that without a case to respark good luck not getting a spark from keeping this Vegas Cruisecomplex. Odds would be way better where service staff won’t be carrying a lot of this

    The players would be ok. It’s all the ancillary staff and coaching staff tv crews that would be the issue.
    Even if you lock them away, that’s a lot of people that need feeding additional equipment and things from the outside world.
    Are you going to put armed guards to keep players and families from drifting off to civilization.
    What if Drai and Mcdavid get put on quarantine for a round. What’s the point of even playing
    The NHL even thinking about Vegas when Vegas was opening to tourism shows they aren’t competent enough to pull this off

  25. leadfarmer says:

    But if they are serious about restarting every city with a population of over a million should be crossed off. Start thinking Saskatoon, and Fargo, Duluth for example

  26. Lowetide says:

    defmn: Thanks for the clarification as it helps me make sense of things better as well.

    Further question if you don’t mind.

    Do you do these ‘points per 60’ calculations for all of these top end guys as part of your methodology? And if you do have you ever considered posting that number rather than or in addition to the NHLE?

    Thanks.

    I calculate them for all available leagues and they do have impact on my final rankings. I also mention them during my rankings update. Here’s an example:

    https://lowetide.ca/2020/01/08/the-31-best-players-in-the-2020-draft/

  27. Victoria Oil says:

    Question: suppose your team wins the draft lottery and Ottawa falls to 4th and 5th or say, 5th and 6th (which is their worst possible scenario). Would you trade Lafreniere (NHLE 50) for the two lower Ottawa picks which could potentially turn out to be Perffetti (NHLE 48) and Rossi (NHLE (57)?

  28. dustrock says:

    Victoria Oil:
    Question: suppose your team wins the draft lottery and Ottawa falls to 4th and 5th or say, 5th and 6th (which is their worst possible scenario). Would you trade Lafreniere (NHLE 50) for the two lower Ottawa picks which could potentially turn out to be Perffetti (NHLE 48) and Rossi (NHLE (57)?

    Man that’s a tough one. Pronman has Lafreniere as the only elite player and probably one of the best forward prospects since McDavid.

  29. defmn says:

    Lowetide: I calculate them for all available leagues and they do have impact on my final rankings. I also mention them during my rankings update. Here’s an example:

    https://lowetide.ca/2020/01/08/the-31-best-players-in-the-2020-draft/

    Thanks. Yes I have seen you mention them fairly often but you seem to favour the NHLE when you make your spiffy charts – which I really like.

    And this would be a good time to thank you for all the work you put into the content and the rabbit herding this blog requires.

  30. Victoria Oil says:

    dustrock: Man that’s a tough one. Pronman has Lafreniere as the only elite player and probably one of the best forward prospects since McDavid.

    In McDavid’s year, in retrospect, I would have given some consideration to trading down for Eichel (2nd) and Marner (4th), but i wouldn’t entertain any other combination.

  31. godot10 says:

    Victoria Oil:
    Question: suppose your team wins the draft lottery and Ottawa falls to 4th and 5th or say, 5th and 6th (which is their worst possible scenario). Would you trade Lafreniere (NHLE 50) for the two lower Ottawa picks which could potentially turn out to be Perffetti (NHLE 48) and Rossi (NHLE (57)?

    LaFreniere is plug-n-play. Draisaitl’s clock is ticking.

    LaFreniere McDavid Puljujarvi
    Nugent-Hopkins Draisaitl Yamamoto.

  32. Reja says:

    Victoria Oil: In McDavid’s year, in retrospect, I would have given some consideration to trading down for Eichel (2nd) and Marner (4th), but i wouldn’t entertain any other combination.

    That’s Blasphemy.

  33. Reja says:

    leadfarmer: The players would be ok.It’s all the ancillary staff and coaching staff tv crews that would be the issue.
    Even if you lock them away, that’s a lot of people that need feeding additional equipment and things from the outside world.
    Are you going to put armed guards to keep players and families from drifting off to civilization.
    What if Drai and Mcdavid get put on quarantine for a round.What’s the point of even playing
    The NHL even thinking about Vegas when Vegas was opening to tourism shows they aren’t competent enough to pull this off

    I have it 60-40 that this year will be cancelled unless every player and his Bubble sign wavers.

  34. Brantford Boy says:

    Maybe a better, or at least easier (read lazier) question for me to process the data… is there a website out there on the AL Gore that does all this NHLE math for you, perhaps in some fancy chart that you can even sort it by NHLE, player (TOI), league (OHL/WHL/NCAA), draft order etc.?

  35. viking2014 says:

    Lowtide, I believe you are music fan, try this

    Kokomo Blues – Luke Winslow-King
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkVbTjlB0r

  36. leadfarmer says:

    Victoria Oil:
    Question: suppose your team wins the draft lottery and Ottawa falls to 4th and 5th or say, 5th and 6th (which is their worst possible scenario). Would you trade Lafreniere (NHLE 50) for the two lower Ottawa picks which could potentially turn out to be Perffetti (NHLE 48) and Rossi (NHLE (57)?

    I run up on stage, or more likely very enthusiastically zoom call, that number 1 pick and don’t look back. There is no reason to gamble with that pick

  37. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965: For me, it was an exhibition game in his first full pro season. No single play stands out, he just dominated the game with his passing and puck protection. Was by the far the best player on the ice. Better than McDavid that game and they were on different lines. Was truly mystified when he was sent to the AHL.

    Leon is the best long backhanded passer in the history of the game.The man can thread a needle like no other, who knows maybe he’ll win 2 or 3 Harts before he’s done

  38. defmn says:

    Probably just homerism on his part as there is no evidence or link.

    Satiar Shah
    @SatiarShah
    · 1h
    Vancouver has picked up steam as being a NHL hub city, the league is getting closer to making a decision

  39. N64 says:

    My guess for the covid and non-covid hubs are the 2 Vs.


    N64says:
    June 16, 2020 at 12:15 pm
    I doubt the feds signed off without a signal that the NHL was serious about at least one Canadian city. It’s likely up to the PA now whether to have a Canadian city. I’ll guess Vegas and Vancouver.

  40. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn:
    Probably just homerism on his part as there is no evidence or link.

    Satiar Shah
    @SatiarShah· 1h
    Vancouver has picked up steam as being a NHL hub city, the league is getting closer to making a decision

    Nope.

    Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) Tweeted:
    The two Vs — Vancouver/Vegas, maybe. Next two weeks: hub selections, lottery, player vote on protocols/CBA framework. All while we monitor testing results.

  41. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair: Nope.

    Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) Tweeted:
    The two Vs — Vancouver/Vegas, maybe. Next two weeks: hub selections, lottery, player vote on protocols/CBA framework. All while we monitor testing results.

    That’s actually Friedman retweeting the Dys host and coming down very hard with a definite maybe. For one or both 😉 Nonetheless that’s my crazy guess as well.

  42. Lowetide says:

    NEW for The Athletic: Do Oilers fans expect feature minutes over a long period from Tyler Ennis?

    https://theathletic.com/1883017/2020/06/20/lowetide-do-oilers-fans-expect-feature-minutes-from-tyler-ennis-on-top-line/

  43. Harpers Hair says:

    I don’t know if OP discussed this yesterday or if speeds has confirmed but Elliott Friedman has an depth look at the Battle of Buffalo.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-breaking-major-nhl-awards-races/sn-amp/?__twitter_impression=true

  44. Harpers Hair says:

    Pierre LeBrun (@PierreVLeBrun) Tweeted:
    My understanding is that the NHL has cut the list of Hub cities to 6 teams from the original 10. The list still includes all three Canadian cities. My sense is Vancouver and Edmonton rank ahead of Toronto. Obviously Vegas remains in the mix.

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock: Man that’s a tough one. Pronman has Lafreniere as the only elite player and probably one of the best forward prospects since McDavid.

    Would you take two Pastrnak’s (or MacKinnon’s or Drai’s) over one McDavid?

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    Victoria Oil: In McDavid’s year, in retrospect, I would have given some consideration to trading down for Eichel (2nd) and Marner (4th), but i wouldn’t entertain any other combination.

    Eichel and Rantanen?

  47. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Would you take two Pastrnak’s (or MacKinnon’s or Drai’s) over one McDavid?

    I could see Pastrnak getting 62 goals with Leon’s deadly passing especially on the PP and OT.

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: I have it 60-40 that this year will be cancelled unless every player and his Bubble sign wavers.

    I would anticipate that the Return to Play agreement will include a liability waiver, however, it will also include the an opt out option for players – no one will be forced to play.

  49. so polar says:

    I’ve been keeping a google sheet to average draft rankings this year. Have now folded Hockey Prospects’ list into it, but it’s much shorter than the others (Pronman, Wheeler, and our esteemed host’s). Those interested can find it here, if I’ve linked it properly.
    Some notes:
    Pronman’s list ran 122 skaters. Skaters included in another ranking but not Pronman’s are given 123. A player’s tier on Pronman’s list is noted in column G.
    Wheeler’s list ran 100 skaters, then 50 honourable mentions. Players included as an HM are given the rank of 100+ their order in Wheeler’s HMs. Skaters not included are given 151.
    LT’s list ran 125. Those included on one list but not LT’s list are given the rank of 126.
    HP’s freebie lists only 31 names. As giving the remainder of players a 32 would hugely affect the average, those with no rank on the free HP list are left blank.
    The average column will divide the sum by 3 if excluded from HP, 4 if included.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    I don’t know if OP discussed this yesterday or if speeds has confirmed but Elliott Friedman has an depth look at the Battle of Buffalo.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-breaking-major-nhl-awards-races/sn-amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    I really am sorry you had to go through that – I mean, no shame in posting a link to a talked about subject, or even two – I mean, not everyone can read every comment every day but then trying to prove it was new info and citing it being announced that morning when the article linked was for the previous day – on the heals of the expansion draft rule debacle from the other week – Geez – tough June on the Island.

    Seriously though – just having fun – I hope you know that i do appreciate your membership and insights in many areas of hockey.

  51. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: Would you take two Pastrnak’s (or MacKinnon’s or Drai’s) over one McDavid?

    Or why take Mcdavid when you could have had D. Strome and Pavel Zacha.

  52. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Pierre LeBrun (@PierreVLeBrun) Tweeted:
    My understanding is that the NHL has cut the list of Hub cities to 6 teams from the original 10. The list still includes all three Canadian cities. My sense is Vancouver and Edmonton rank ahead of Toronto. Obviously Vegas remains in the mix.

    Hah. Looks exactly like the NHL is asking the PA to pick one from the NBC host network column and one from the Sportsnet host network column.

    My take Wednesday was that the OIC was only executed because the NHL was serious about a Canadian site. #thanskssportsnet

    June 16, 2020 at 12:15 pm
    I doubt the feds signed off without a signal that the NHL was serious about at least one Canadian city. It’s likely up to the PA now whether to have a Canadian city. I’ll guess Vegas and Vancouver.

  53. Harpers Hair says:

    Have been meaning to post on my latest epicurean adventure but had to take a couple days to sleep off the food coma.

    Visited a client in Campbell River, Crabby Bob’Seafood on the dock. (It’s a floating seafood store) and picked up a 5 pounds of fresh BC spot prawns and some fresh black cod for Mrs. Hair who doesn’t like shellfish.

    The back story is that spot prawns are a delicacy in Asia but this year the harvest was delayed by Covid and the export market has collapsed.

    The delay in the harvest means the prawns had a couple of extra months to grow and now resemble small lobsters.

    I grilled them in a cast iron prawn pan that I picked up from Amazon and slathered them in garlic butter.

    The pan holds 22 prawns and I was only able to down 11 so used the other 11 last night in a fettuccine with garlic Alfredo sauce.

    Oh my.

    Any Lowetidians on the Island or the lower mainland should rush out for some of these.

  54. Harpers Hair says:

    N64: Hah. Looks exactly like the NHL is asking the PA to pick one from the NBC host network column and one from the Sportsnethost network column.

    Mytake Wednesday was that the OICwas only executed because the NHL was serious about a Canadian site. #thanskssportsnet

    June 16, 2020 at 12:15 pm
    I doubt the feds signed off without a signal that the NHL was serious about at least one Canadian city. It’s likely up to the PA now whether to have a Canadian city. I’ll guess Vegas and Vancouver.

    Bang on.

  55. Ryan says:

    Lowetide:
    NEW for The Athletic: Do Oilers fans expect feature minutes over a long period from Tyler Ennis?

    https://theathletic.com/1883017/2020/06/20/lowetide-do-oilers-fans-expect-feature-minutes-from-tyler-ennis-on-top-line/

    I’ve been wanting to say this for awhile.

    If under horrible and somewhat unforeseen circumstances, the NHL were to be cancelled indefinitely…

    I’m fairly certain you could write about the Oilers and keep us entertained for at least the next five years.

    That is a gift sir…

  56. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair:

    Any Lowetidians on the Island or the lower mainland should rush out for some of these.

    The rest of Canada will wait for the Horgan invite this week

  57. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair: Bang on.

    Pittsburgh and Van/Edm would be better choices.

  58. leadfarmer says:

    If they pick Vegas they may as well cancel. With people traveling to the casinos and no social distancing it’s going to be very hard to play hockey when you need ice surfaces for make shift morgues

  59. JimmyV1965 says:

    Reja: I have it 60-40 that this year will be cancelled unless every player and his Bubble sign wavers.

    Why would a waiver be required? I don’t see employees in other industries signing waivers. And I’m sure the NHL is doing much much more to protect their employees than other businesses.

  60. N64 says:

    JimmyV1965: Why would a waiver be required? I don’t see employees in other industries signing waivers. And I’m sure the NHL is doing much much more to protect their employees than other businesses.

    Level of protection needs to be commensurate to level of proximity. These guys are #benningeffect close. There will be waivers and players will be able to sit it out which probably matters to make waivers enforceable.

  61. Harpers Hair says:

    N64: Pittsburgh and Van/Edm would be better choices.

    Worth noting that MGM is the official partner of the NHL for sports betting.

    Follow the money.

  62. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair: Worth noting that MGM is the official partner of the NHL for sports betting.

    Follow the money.

    PA probably acquieses if they push both countries. But will be interesting to see if they really are mesmerized by the Vegas Cruise pitch or pick a US site with a better chance of working. I think the NBAPA is more likely to balk at Orlando (fewer and more powerful players), but expect both to acquiesce.

  63. Justthestatsman says:

    JimmyV1965: Why would a waiver be required? I don’t see employees in other industries signing waivers. And I’m sure the NHL is doing much much more to protect their employees than other businesses.

    There are lots of lawyers here that know better than me, but it probably depends on the organization and the situation. Alberta Soccer has a 5 page waiver for referees to sign to participate in the return to play this summer. It includes acknowledgements every 2 or 3 points to confirm you agree to those points, before you get to the signature at the bottom of the last page.

  64. Justthestatsman says:

    Elliotte Friedman and Chris Johnston were discussing with David Amber the realistic possibility that both hubs could be in Canada, given the spikes in Covid-19 cases happening in USA.

    On a side note, I hadn’t seen Friedman for a while. If you haven’t seen him lately, it’s quite a sight. He’s gone full sasquatch.

  65. jp says:

    leadfarmer: If they pick Vegas they may as well cancel. With people traveling to the casinos and no social distancing it’s going to be very hard to play hockey when you need ice surfaces for make shift morgues

    In this case what happens in Vegas doesn’t stay in Vegas though.

  66. N64 says:

    jp: In this case what happens in Vegas doesn’t stay in Vegas though.

    Oh it stays and stays and stays some more. Don’t Open That Door Richard.

  67. N64 says:

    Justthestatsman:
    Elliotte Friedman and Chris Johnston were discussing with David Amber the realistic possibility that both hubs could be in Canada, given the spikes in Covid-19 cases happening in USA.

    On a side note, I hadn’t seen Friedman for a while.If you haven’t seen him lately, it’s quite a sight.He’s gone full sasquatch.

    One word for who Gary won’t cross by putting both in Canada. The shorter of the 2 words our host blocks.

  68. jp says:

    N64: Oh it stays and stays and stays some more. Don’t Open That Door Richard.

    Well some of it stays, yes. Much it has come and gone before it knows it has Covid.

    It is odd/interesting that Vegas didn’t have more cases in the first wave though. Considering all the travel and exposure it would have seen from all over the world. They’re seeing a spike now though for sure.

  69. jp says:

    Ryan: I’ve been wanting to say this for awhile.

    If under horrible and somewhat unforeseen circumstances, the NHL were to be cancelled indefinitely…

    I’m fairly certain you could write about the Oilers and keep us entertained for at least the next five years.

    That is a gift sir…

    +1

  70. N64 says:

    jp: They’re seeing a spick now though for sure

    Oops. You might want to correct that. #canceljp

  71. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    NEW for The Athletic: Do Oilers fans expect feature minutes over a long period from Tyler Ennis?

    https://theathletic.com/1883017/2020/06/20/lowetide-do-oilers-fans-expect-feature-minutes-from-tyler-ennis-on-top-line/

    Nice article. I hadn’t realized how little Ennis played at evens in Ottawa, and how sheltered he was. There’s definitely real risk in signing him to any term.

    I’d still be open (personally) to giving him 2 or 3 years if the AAV was low enough ($2M x 2 or $1.5M x 3?). Not sure what you or others think about it (or Ennis for that matter). But that seems reasonable to me for a guy penciled in on your 3rd line who could also slide up if needed, or if his play warrants.

  72. jp says:

    N64: Oops. You might want to correct that. #canceljp

    lol. Yes, oops.

  73. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Nice article. I hadn’t realized how little Ennis played at evens in Ottawa, and how sheltered he was. There’s definitely real risk in signing him to any term.

    I’d still be open (personally) to giving him 2 or 3 years if the AAV was low enough ($2M x 2 or $1.5M x 3?). Not sure what you or others think about it (or Ennis for that matter). But that seems reasonable to me for a guy penciled in on your 3rd line who could also slide up if needed, or if his play warrants.

    Tyler Ennis will be 31 when/if there is a next season.

    Never, ever give term to a declining player.

  74. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Tyler Ennis will be 31 when/if there is a next season.

    Never, ever give term to a declining player.

    Even if that term drives the AAV below what it would be otherwise?

  75. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Even if that term drives the AAV below what it would be otherwise?

    Tyler Benson is also a LW but on an ELC.

    It’s go time.

  76. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Tyler Benson is also a LW but on an ELC.

    It’s go time.

    Fair take. But Tyler Benson didn’t 37 points in the NHL this season.

  77. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Fair take. But Tyler Benson didn’t 37 points in the NHL this season.

    He is or he ain’t.
    If you have to sign a 31 year old to a multi year deal, time to cash Benson for a pick.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Nice article. I hadn’t realized how little Ennis played at evens in Ottawa, and how sheltered he was. There’s definitely real risk in signing him to any term.

    I’d still be open (personally) to giving him 2 or 3 years if the AAV was low enough ($2M x 2 or $1.5M x 3?). Not sure what you or others think about it (or Ennis for that matter). But that seems reasonable to me for a guy penciled in on your 3rd line who could also slide up if needed, or if his play warrants.

    He’s coming off a 1 year $650K contract followed by a 1 year $850K contract – not sure he’s going to get double or triple both term and AAV….. right?

  79. jp says:

    Harpers Hair:
    He is or he ain’t.

    No, it doesn’t work that way.

    Harpers Hair:
    If you have to sign a 31 year old to a multi year deal, time to cash Benson for a pick.

    There’s a huge amount of middle ground between gifting your ELC prospect 3LW and cashing him for picks because you aren’t gifting him 3LW. It’s not an either/or scenario (or doesn’t need to be).

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: He is or he ain’t.
    If you have to sign a 31 year old to a multi year deal, time to cash Benson for a pick.

    Canucks signed a 31 year old Jordie Benn to a multi year contract last off-season and a 24 year old B. Rafferty played the entire season in the AHL…..

  81. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: He’s coming off a 1 year $650K contract followed by a 1 year $850K contract – not sure he’s going to get double or triple both term and AAV….. right?

    His previous deals are only vaguely relevant to his next deal.

    I think he would get more than $2M x 2 on the open market based on his most recent season. I may be off base.

  82. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Rossi is the sleeper in this draft.

    If Debrincat was a miss by all, how can Rossi not be?

    His numbers are bonkers.

    Might be around when Oilers pick.

    He’s a bigger version of DeB.

  83. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: No, it doesn’t work that way.

    There’s a huge amount of middle ground between gifting your ELC prospect 3LW and cashing him for picks because you aren’t gifting him 3LW. It’s not an either/or scenario (or doesn’t need to be).

    If, at Benson’s age, he can’t handle 3LW, he ain’t much.

    If you sign Ennis to a multi year deal to play that spot, Benson’s fate is already decided.

  84. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Canucks signed a 31 year old Jordie Benn to a multi year contract last off-season and a 24 year old B. Rafferty played the entire season in the AHL…..

    Yeah, a veteran LD is exactly the same as a young RD.

  85. Harpers Hair says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Rossi is the sleeper in this draft.

    If Debrincat was a miss by all, how can Rossi not be?

    His numbers are bonkers.

    Might be around when Oilers pick.

    He’s a bigger version of DeB.

    Yep.

    I’d wager Ottawa will try and move up and grab him.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Rossi is the sleeper in this draft.

    If Debrincat was a miss by all, how can Rossi not be?

    His numbers are bonkers.

    Might be around when Oilers pick.

    He’s a bigger version of DeB.

    He may be around when the Oilers pick if they lose the play-in and win one of the lotteries….

  87. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: If, at Benson’s age, he can’t handle 3LW, he ain’t much.

    If you sign Ennis to a multi year deal to play that spot, Benson’s fate is already decided.

    That’s simply not true.

    Benson’s time is likely now but… he’s also 3 years younger than Rafferty…

    More importantly there’s no reason Benson and Ennis can’t co-exist. There’s so much flux. The Oilers only have Nuge, Nygard and Neal for LWs signed for next season. Does Nuge get moved back to C? Does Nygard get injured again? Or show he’s just not that good? Does Neal get bought out?

  88. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    leadfarmer: No I don’t think so
    All these plans will be scrapped.Very unlikely to see NFL games too
    All these isolation bubble plans are great until the virus breaks into the bubble

    – I’ve been adamant since the beginning of this that there is no more hockey

    – I’m the first to eat humble pie if I’m wrong, and said so when they announced the playoffs

    – I totally did not consider the financial implications for the Hockey industrial complex however: health is very much secondary to getting paid, and I now get that: If they can sell sausages, well goddamit, they should should be selling sausages: its just ‘bidness

    – I have the luxury of running my business entirely virtually, and except for some glitches, most professional services can meet demand remotely, using techonogy: I totally didn’t recognize the desperation and the financial incentives that Hockey and professional sport has. They aren’t a charity, they aren’t serving a public good, they aren’t rallying the people:its just bidness, and that’s fine. Sport can’t work “remotely” No players, no one gets paid

    – The Athletic, god bless, them is virtually awful now: they have to give it away, the dearth of meaningful content (there are some good pieces to be sure). Sport has to be day to day. They don’t know how to report on the anything other than the scores: so they need to give it away. Just like all sport content now.

    – Hopefully they can do the hockey thing I guess: everything I said would happen has happened: players get the virus, players don’t want to show up, health and safety, etc. In most industries, it’s easy to say: your health is number one. But in sport, players gotta play to have everyone get paid.

    – Anyway, it’s an intersting introspection: I went from being adamant there wasn’t hockey, to wow, I totally didn’t get the financial incentive, to yeah, the virus isn’t going away as I originally thought

    – While I’m less confident in my original prognostication that Hockey was done, and ought to have known to follow the money, I see a lot more obstacles than consensus on how they get this done…

    – Unless the Oil get the the finals of this tourney, really does anyone here care: and take that for every market?

    * NFL football though: In the Fall, all the games on Sunday, regig travel, massive budgets: I still can see that happening, its way easier than MLB or NBA or NHL. The NBA though, they have a really comprehenisve plan, everyone in one location, shared on the Athletic, that I disparaged earlier: LOL!

  89. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: That’s simply not true.

    Benson’s time is likely now but… he’s also 3 years younger than Rafferty…

    More importantly there’s no reason Benson and Ennis can’t co-exist. There’s so much flux. The Oilers only have Nuge, Nygard and Neal for LWs signed for next season. Does Nuge get moved back to C? Does Nygard get injured again? Or show he’s just not that good? Does Neal get bought out?

    If Benson isn’t apparently ready for one of those spots, he may as well go home.

    No idea what this has to do with Rafferty.

    He took the NCAA option and defenseman always take longer.

    Rafferty’s time is now and if he can’t cut it, he’ll be a tweener.

    Same as Benson.

  90. Victoria Oil says:

    jp: Nice article. I hadn’t realized how little Ennis played at evens in Ottawa, and how sheltered he was. There’s definitely real risk in signing him to any term.

    I’d still be open (personally) to giving him 2 or 3 years if the AAV was low enough ($2M x 2 or $1.5M x 3?). Not sure what you or others think about it (or Ennis for that matter). But that seems reasonable to me for a guy penciled in on your 3rd line who could also slide up if needed, or if his play warrants.

    We made that mistake with Chiasson; I wouldn’t want to do it again with Ennis. Chiasson had a few one year deals under a million. He shouldn’t have gotten 2 x $2.15 million after a season with a high shooting percentage in his late 20″s. Ennis’s situation is not that much different.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Yeah, a veteran LD is exactly the same as a young RD.

    Its time to flip the 22 year old for a pick but the 25 year old has all the time in the world?

    Not note, the 22 year old played NHL games (and he was 21 at the time) and didn’t have the like of Saunter and Breisbois called up over him – just PPG Yamamoto.

  92. Harpers Hair says:

    One of these players scored 45 points in the AHL last season.

    The other scored 36.

    One of these players is a defensemen and the other is a forward.

    Now you’re moving the goal posts to Yamamoto?

  93. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: If Benson isn’t apparently ready for one of those spots, he may as well go home.

    No idea what this has to do with Rafferty.

    He took the NCAA option and defenseman always take longer.

    Rafferty’s time is now and if he can’t cut it, he’ll be a tweener.

    Same as Benson.

    May as well go home, lol.

    If Benson isn’t 3LW next season he’s a tweener? Sure.

    I’m not sure what decent team would give that spot to a player with 7 NHL games. Re-signing Ennis (were it to happen) doesn’t preclude Benson from earning a job. It’s good business.

  94. jp says:

    Victoria Oil: We made that mistake with Chiasson; I wouldn’t want to do it again with Ennis. Chiasson had a few one year deals under a million. He shouldn’t have gotten 2 x $2.15 million after a season with a high shooting percentage in his late 20″s. Ennis’s situation is not that much different.

    I’m not sure how Ennis’s situation is like Chiasson’s. Ennis didn’t have a career year riding shotgun to Connor McDavid (at evens and on PP1). He scored like a 2nd liner in 3rd line minutes with White, Tierney, Anisimov and Namestnikov as his main linemates.

    For sure no one wants to give too much money or too much term to a player who doesn’t deserve it. It appears you and many others don’t think Ennis is a true talent 1.85 P/60 scorer (as he has been the past 2 years). I can understand that I guess.

    But I think he likely is a 2nd line quality player (or close) that the Oilers may have a chance to sign for much less than 2nd line money.

  95. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: If Benson isn’t apparently ready for one of those spots, he may as well go home.

    No idea what this has to do with Rafferty.

    He took the NCAA option and defenseman always take longer.

    Rafferty’s time is now and if he can’t cut it, he’ll be a tweener.

    Same as Benson.

    If he takes any longer he’ll be a pensioner

  96. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair:
    One of these players scored 45 points in the AHL last season.

    The other scored 36.

    One of these players is a defensemen and the other is a forward.

    Now you’re moving the goal posts to Yamamoto?

    Marino just made the NHL after 3 college years and he was 22

  97. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair: He is or he ain’t.
    If you have to sign a 31 year old to a multi year deal, time to cash Benson for a pick.

    This is ridiculous of course. Reminds me of the mngt style of the Oilers during the decade of darkness. Player doesn’t live up to expectations, trade him for picks. I hear the Sabres are looking for sone hockey ops people. Maybe you should submit a resume. Your first deal could be Middlestad for a third rounder.

  98. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    jp,

    That’s my take as well.

    He’s likely to be value going forward a couple years. He’s got the head for the game. Willing to go to the difficult areas. Has hands. Can play either wing, and move up and down the line up as required.

    Pretty sure it was Bob or Leavins who was throwing out sub million dollar contract figures. I have time for Ennis for 3x$1.25M and expect Kenny can grind that down a bit further.

  99. hunter1909 says:

    JimmyV1965: This is ridiculous of course. Reminds me of the mngt style of the Oilers during the decade of darkness. Player doesn’t live up to expectations, trade him for picks. I hear the Sabres are looking for sone hockey ops people. Maybe you should submit a resume. Your first deal could be Middlestad for a third rounder.

    Living marooned on an island does that to people.

    Am happy to see the Blackhawks, 3X champ with plenty of ammo left in this unique opportunity to make history with 4(!!) Sc’s in a post-cap career. Ditto Pittsburgh who will be a terrible opponent to have to face.

    New Oilers coach Tippett’s no deer in headlights like McLellan; he will make certain the team understands that they’re in for a tough series.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Laagesson is on his way to Edmonton from Sweden – I expect a pretty big influx from Europe over the next week

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    One of these players scored 45 points in the AHL last season.

    The other scored 36.

    One of these players is a defensemen and the other is a forward.

    Now you’re moving the goal posts to Yamamoto?

    Once was essentially a PPG 20 year old rookie in the AHL.

    The other was a 0.5 PPG player in the USHL at 20.

    ———–

    All i know is that your position is that, if the Oilers sign a 31 year old Ennis to multi-year contract, it means the 22 year old Benson should be flipped for a pick and that, last year, the Canucks signed a 31 year old Benn to a multi-year contract and didn’t give a 24 year old (now 25 year old) Rafferty an NHL game.

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