OILERS AT NO. 200: JEREMIAS LINDEWALL

by Lowetide

He is a winger with good size, and is a January 2002. Edmonton chose all forwards in this draft, which makes sense based on the organizational pipeline but this is fairly unusual in my experience following drafts.

He plays for MoDO in Junior hockey and has 4-4-8 in four games so far in 2020-21. He has been strictly lower leagues so far, but at 18 there’s plenty of time to move up the chain in Sweden. This is absolutely a ‘draft and follow’ type selection.

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Tarkus

Corey Pronman and Scott Wheeler from The Athletic each posted their scouting reports of the top prospects for this draft.

Pronman’s list is here: https://theathletic.com/2085858/2020/09/29/2020-nhl-draft-board-corey-pronmans-final-top-131-prospects/

Holloway @ 17
Tullio @ 86
Savoie @ 92
Berezkin @ 106

Wheeler’s list: https://theathletic.com/2019544/2020/09/21/wheeler-updated-ranking-for-the-2020-nhl-drafts-top-100-prospects

Hollway @ 18
Savoie @ 32
Tullio @ 69
Berezkin HM (one of 50, list only went to 100)

Wheeler also has an article about best friends Savoie and Michael Benning from earlier this year: https://theathletic.com/1687367/2020/04/01/after-scaling-hockey-ladder-together-best-friends-hope-nhl-draft-is-no-different/

Oh, and Wheeler also has an item on Tullio in this article, about halfway down: https://theathletic.com/2068947/2020/10/05/wheeler-final-2020-nhl-draft-thoughts-notes-and-predictions/?article_source=search&search_query=tullio

Crazy Pedestrian

Looking at the leagues each player plays in, the Oilers went all over the map. No tunnel vision on one league.

Tarkus

The draft is now complete, and neither Constantinou nor Gogolev were chosen.

Since Gogolev has now gone through three drafts, would he be eligible to sign as a free agent?

rickithebear

Calgary
Zary pick #24 62 xPT
Francis pick 143 54xpt
Kerins pick 174 49 xPT

EDM
Holloway pick #14 65 xPT
Savoie pick 100 55 xPT
Tullio pick 126 56xPT
Berezkin top PPG draft yr MHL fwd, but gritsyuk isn’t 9 months younger.
Engaras 13 xPT

Put in Francis and Kerins Instead, it would have been one of the best xPT drafts ever.

rickithebear

Shoukd point that scouting/ video has to agree the skill has to be NHL translatable to math.

Oil2Oilers

rickithebear,

Thanks for the review Ricki

leadfarmer

Duclair is not going to be qualified

maudite

Just looking at cap friendly with all unqualified rfa’s in ufa listing…there is going to be some smart groups that can find sone bargain value this year.

leadfarmer

rickithebear:
Calgary
Zary pick #24 62 xPT
Francis pick 143 54xpt
Kerins pick 174 49 xPT

EDM
Holloway pick #14 65 xPT
Savoie pick 100 55 xPT
Tullio pick 126 56xPT
Berezkin top PPG draft yr MHL fwd, but gritsyuk isn’t 9 months younger.
Engaras 13 xPT

Put in Francis and Kerins Instead, it would have been one of the best xPT drafts ever.

You like Holloway today?

Harpers Hair

maudite:
Just looking at cap friendly with all unqualified rfa’s in ufa listing…there is going to be some smart groups that can find sone bargain value this year.

Another list.

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2020/10/list-of-players-not-receiving-a-2020-qualifying-offer.html

Worth noting…Ottawa has only 3 forwards on its NHL roster.

leadfarmer

Harpers Hair: Another list.

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2020/10/list-of-players-not-receiving-a-2020-qualifying-offer.html

Worth noting…Ottawa has only 3 forwards on its NHL roster.

That’s probably all melnyk can afford

Harpers Hair
Rondo

Harpers Hair:
Scott Wheeler picks winners and losers from the first round.

https://theathletic.com/2068998/2020/10/07/nhl-draft-winners-and-losers-ranking-every-teams-first-round/

Harpers Hair,

Winner losers is a stupid thing if they pick the way I mocked they’re winners if not losers. Click bait

maudite

Malcolm subban any value there?

Harpers Hair: Another list.

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2020/10/list-of-players-not-receiving-a-2020-qualifying-offer.html

Worth noting…Ottawa has only 3 forwards on its NHL roster.

geowal

leadfarmer: You like Holloway today?

I believe he liked him yesterday after seeing his AJHL numbers and not just the NCAA

Ryan

leadfarmer: You like Holloway today?

The Oilers are too funny.

I wrote a post here comparing Carter Savoie’s AJHL stats to Holloway’s shortly after word broke that they were interested in Holloway.

Then they draft Savoie too.

Ryan

Harpers Hair: Another list.

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2020/10/list-of-players-not-receiving-a-2020-qualifying-offer.html

Worth noting…Ottawa has only 3 forwards on its NHL roster.

So they’re doing to disrupt the market of recent RFA’s that weren’t qualified?

It would be fun to see. Sort of like a poor man’s expansion draft for the Sens.

Harpers Hair

Ryan: So they’re doing to disrupt the market of recent RFA’s that weren’t qualified?

It would be fun to see. Sort of like a poor man’s expansion draft for the Sens.

Sure looks like it.

They have a ridiculous $42 million in cap space and, while they have several NHL ready players on ELCs, they’ll have to spend money in the UFA market just to hit the cap floor.

godot10

maudite:
Malcolm subban any value there?

He couldn’t stop a puck for the last two years in Vegas. May have cost them two Cups by overworking Fleury.

slopitch

I have Holloway #3 on harvest moon tomorrow. After that it gets harder.

Oilers should wait on day 1-3. Then make 3-4 show me 1 year offers. Lots of holes but its a buyers. So treat it as such. Generally a good day. The trade down seemed meh but the got skill on every pick. Cant expect much from 4th round and beyond but you never know!

Genjutsu

Harpers Hair: Sure looks like it.

They have a ridiculous $42 million in cap space and, while they have several NHL ready players on ELCs, they’ll have to spend money in the UFA market just to hit the cap floor.

Until they move into a new building in Ottawa, instead of playing in the middle of a cow field three towns over the cap ceiling is irrelevant.

The cap floor is not so far away and they have 13 players including a goalie who wants 6+

So how much do they have again?

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Tarkus:
The draft is now complete, and neither Constantinou nor Gogolev were chosen.

Since Gogolev has now gone through three drafts, would he be eligible to sign as a free agent?

Yes

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maudite:
Malcolm subban any value there?

Not in my opinion

Gerta Rauss

https://theathletic.com/2121979/2020/10/07/mikko-koivu-wild-fans-thank-you-free-agent-i-want-to-play/

Busy 48 hours in the NHL – Mikko Koivu says he still wants to play

Go get him Kenny, young Jesse needs a mentor

godot10

Tyson Barrie and Mikhail Granlund on bargain deals.

Try to upgrade on Kris Russell (somebody in, Russell out)

Sign one of the 3C’s out there.

And a goaltender.

godot10

godot10:
Tyson Barrie and Mikhail Granlund on bargain deals.

Try to upgrade on Kris Russell (somebody in, Russell out)

Sign one of the 3C’s out there.

And a goaltender.

I guess I have to study up on Woodguy’s blog on the 3C’s.

Harpers Hair

Genjutsu: Until they move into a new building in Ottawa, instead of playing in the middle of a cow field three towns over the cap ceiling is irrelevant.

The cap floor is not so far away and they have 13 players including a goalie who wants 6+

So how much do they have again?

They’re currently $27 million below the cap floor and I count 6 players who will likely make the roster all on ELCs averaging about $750K each.

Assuming they all make it, that’s only $4.5 million so they would need to spend another $22.5 million just to hit the cap floor.

Even paying their new goaltender $5.5 million they would need to spend another $17 million to hit the floor.

With the depressed free agent market, they should be able to find some real bargains.

I would imagine with the haul they just got in the draft, most of those deals would be short term.

OriginalPouzar

Sounds like they could use Kris Russell for a bargain of $1.5M – that is real value as far as dollars for on-ice play.

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So who thinks Lindewall is already a better prospect than Siikanen?

RonnieB

godot10: I guess I have to study up on Woodguy’s blog on the 3C’s.

Woodguy’s research is well worth investing your time to read. Koivu stands out as an excellent choice, perhaps even more so now that JP could be playing 3RW.

Gerta Rauss

godot10:
Tyson Barrie and Mikhail Granlund on bargain deals.

Try to upgrade on Kris Russell (somebody in, Russell out)

Sign one of the 3C’s out there.

And a goaltender.

I agree with all of these moves – that’s how I see it as well

If they can cover Kelfboms absence by upgrading the RH side (replacing Benning), the left side is passable for 1 year. You may have to squint a little, but it’s OK, especially if they can move Russell and replace him with a “Hal Gill” type for 1 year and half the money

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar:
Sounds like they could use Kris Russell for a bargain of $1.5M – that is real value as far as dollars for on-ice play.

Don’t think they need him.

LD
Thomas Chabot
Mike Reilly
Christian Wolanin
Olle Alsing

RD
Nikita Zaitsev
Josh Brown
Jacob- Bernard-Docker
Lassi Thomson
Erik Brannstrom

With Chabot playing more than 26 minutes a night, their left D should be good enough until Jake Sanderson, who many think is one of the most NHL ready players in the draft, is ready to go.

With such a young lineup, I expect their aspirations for next season are limited but man that’s quite a prospect pool on D.

Six first round picks.

godot10

Ottawa should really offer sheet Cirellli at 5 x $6 million. They already have three 2nds next year so they won’t miss the 3rd rounder. And they can replenish the first rounder by taking a salary dump from somebody.

Harpers Hair

godot10:
Ottawa should really offer sheet Cirellli at 5 x $6 million.They already have three 2nds next year so they won’t miss the 3rd rounder.And they can replenish the first rounder by taking a salary dump from somebody.

I wonder if they’ll use their remaining cap space to take on a series of cap dumps and build up another series of first round picks for the next draft.

Could set them up for a very long time.

Munny

Gerta Rauss:
https://theathletic.com/2121979/2020/10/07/mikko-koivu-wild-fans-thank-you-free-agent-i-want-to-play/

Busy 48 hours in the NHL – Mikko Koivu says he still wants to play

Go get him Kenny, young Jesse needs a mentor

Please and thank you.

jp

€√¥£€^$:
So who thinks Lindewall is already a better prospect than Siikanen?

I think that’s true.

Jaxon

What happened to Gogolev at #200?!?! When I logged off yesterday, NHL.com said that the Oilers picked Gogolev there. Now it says Lindewall?!? Strange. Did they actually pick him and then it was disallowed or something? Was he not eligible or something?

Jaxon

Off my list
14. C Connor Zary (I was good with Holloway, though)
77. G Nico Daws
138. RD Kasper Puutio
169. RC Rory Kerins
200. LW Pavel Gogolev

or if using my list and the trade
14. C Connor Zary (I was good with Holloway, though)
100. RD William Villeneuve
126. RW Tyler Tullio (I didn’t have Martin Chromiak on my list because I didn’t even consider he’d still be there at 77, let alone 126)
138. RD Kasper Puutio
169. RC Rory Kerins
200. LW Pavel Gogolev

Based heavily on ‘Age-adjusted Primary-Pts NHLe’ with needs taken into account and giving preference to Cs over wings.

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Jaxon:
What happened to Gogolev at #200?!?! When I logged off yesterday, NHL.com said that the Oilers picked Gogolev there. Now it says Lindewall?!? Strange. Did they actually pick him and then it was disallowed or something? Was he not eligible or something?

It is mind-boggling how the overage and barely-on the radar overager Chinakov was seen by one GM as a first round talent, while Gologev was completely passed over.

I have no doubt he signs somewhere in the NHL, but what an absolute head-scratcher….

Genjutsu

Harpers Hair: They’re currently $27 million below the cap floor and I count 6 players who will likely make the roster all on ELCs averaging about $750K each.

Assuming they all make it, that’s only $4.5 million so they would need to spend another $22.5 million just to hit the cap floor.

Even paying their new goaltender $5.5 million they would need to spend another $17 million to hit the floor.

With the depressed free agent market, they should be able to find some real bargains.

I would imagine with the haul they just got in the draft, most of those deals would be short term.

You might want to recheck your math.

They’ve at 40 right now add 6 for the goalie and you’ve got 14 million to sign 12 more players.

Unless you think they’re going way above the cap floor.

I don’t see that happening.

Jaxon

How does a team pass on the youngest player to score 26 even-strength goals? 8th most even-strength goals of any draft year in the world. And, he did it in the most difficult junior league in the world. AND, he had shite for teammates. He lasted to 169th! I hate that it is the Flames but I’m kind of rooting for Rory Kerins to show everyone he should have been taken higher. I know skating is an issue but he can improve there, look at Mark Stone, skating was an issue with him too. Look at the company he is in:

LEAGUE NAME – EV G – “AGE
SEPT 15”
AJHL Carter Savoie 35 18.64
OHL Jack Quinn – 34 – 18.99
WHL Seth Jarvis – 32 – 18.62
OHL Marco Rossi – 31 – 18.98
QMJHL Alexis Lafreniere – 30 – 18.93
OHL Cole Perfetti – 29 – 18.71
Finland U20 Veeti Miettinen – 26 – 18.99
OHL Rory Kerins – 26 – 18.39
QMJHL Mavrik Bourque – 25 – 18.69
QMJHL William Dufour – 25 – 18.63
USHL Sam Colangelo – 24 – 18.72
OHL Quinton Byfield – 24 – 18.07

Jaxon

Speaking of age… wow, if Byfield was 27 days younger he’d be in next year’s draft. Crazy talent, crazy build. Do we have an Eric Lindros type talent emerging?

Conversely, if Alexis Lafreniere was 26 days older he would have been in last year’s draft.

They were considered 1 and 2 in this draft without even considering age, but with both of them just being 4 weeks in opposite directions, Lafreniere would have been drafted in 2019 competing with last year’s stats against Jack Hughes and Kaapo Kakko. He’d probably still go #1 against them. Byfield would be discussed as next year’s top pick with this year’s stats as his draft-1. It wouldn’t even be close as no 2021 is even close to achieving what Byfield has. Raty, Clarke, and Guenther might be considered as top prospects but if you compare this year as their draft-1, there is no comparison.

And Stutzle would have been the #1 pick this year.

Imagine that:
#1 Picks if Lafreniere was 4 weeks older and Byfield 4 weeks younger.
2019 Lafreniere
2020 Stutzle – 1st German to go #1
2021 Byfield – 1st Black player to go #1

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair: Don’t think they need him.

LD
Thomas Chabot
Mike Reilly
Christian Wolanin
Olle Alsing

RD
Nikita Zaitsev
Josh Brown
Jacob- Bernard-Docker
Lassi Thomson
Erik Brannstrom

With Chabot playing more than 26 minutes a night, their left D should be good enough until Jake Sanderson, who many think is one of the most NHL ready players in the draft, is ready to go.

With such a young lineup, I expect their aspirations for next season are limited but man that’s quite a prospect pool on D.

Six first round picks.

Thank you for expressing exactly why they could use Russell, a legit NHL d-man and veteran presence at only $1.5 of real dollars but $4M on the cap – so all those prospects aren’t required to be in the NHL before they are ready and so Chabot isn’t forced to play half the game.