Game 35 2022-23: Canucks at Oilers

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers had a disadvantage in becoming Western Canada’s most successful team. The Vancouver Canucks had a nine-year head start, the Calgary Flames were established in Atlanta and arrived with a mature roster, and the Winnipeg Jets won the final WHA championship with a strong and talented roster. Edmonton? After their first NHL game, coach Glen Sather said “Kevin (Lowe) and his partner Lee Fogolin were our two best defensemen” in identifying the real problem in Edmonton during the early years: Defense.

THE ATHLETIC!

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • On the road to: MIN (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: MTL, WAS, ARI, MIN (Expected 3-1-0) (Actual 3-1-0)
  • On the road to: MIN, NAS (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: STL, ANA (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-1-1)
  • On the road to: NAS, DAL (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • At home to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: CAL, SEA (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: WPG (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • December expected result: 9-5-1, 19 points in 15 games
  • December actual result: 5-4-2, 12 points in 11 games
  • November results: 7-7-0, 14 points in 14 games
  • October results: 6-3-0, 12 points in 9 games
  • Oilers in 2022-23: 18-14-2, 38 points in 34 games

If Edmonton wins tonight, the team will have 40 points in 35 games, a 94-point pace. That would represent a secured playoff position, although the race would be tight. I still think Edmonton will rip off a long winning streak and put all this anxiety to bed, but until that happens it’s going to be close.

CANUCKS LORE

The “target” for the Vancouver Canucks on expansion draft day was Doug Favell. The man targeting Favell was Bud Poile, one of the architects of the brilliant Philadelphia Flyers expansion draft just three summers before the Canucks entered confederation. Poile had planned to do in Vancouver what the Flyers did in 1967, but the available talent was much poorer in 1970 (the league had been watered down and still had 6 expansion teams much inferior to the original 6).

The key for Poile, as it had been in 1967 in Philadelphia, was a good young goaltender.

The Favell deal never came about, and it was (as always) due to expansion theatrics authored by Punch Imlach (now Buffalo’s GM and Poile’s expansion opposite number). Vancouver had a deal with the Philadelphia Flyers: select LW Garnet Bailey from the Boston list and Philadelphia would send Favell over for the former Edmonton Oil King. However, Imlach used the first pick in the expansion draft to select Boston RW Tom Webster–something he had agreed not to do in a pre-draft deal with Boston GM Milt Schmidt–and Boston pulled back Bailey. This moved the “target” and changed the “face” of the original Vancouver Canucks.

OILERS FIVE-ON-FIVE PTS 60, FIVE-ON-FIVE GOAL SHARE, FIVE-ON-FIVE SP

I like this lineup plenty, the only real issues being Dylan Holloway’s placement on the fourth line (my solution: Don’t have one!) and Philip Broberg’s injury. I think the Broberg injury is the one management is most worried over, he is a key piece to the puzzle for Ken Holland.

That brings me to the subject of Jakob Chychrun and online tomfoolery. I’ve written about Edmonton’s need for a veteran top-four defenseman and mentioned Chychrun as a strong option (among others). In the past few weeks, I’ve had several exchanges that have become untenable about this player, and it’s silly.

I’ve said on Lowetide and Jamieson several times that Chychrun isn’t a target based on intel (Darren Dreger was very specific about three weeks ago, and if he’s specific, he has the goods). That isn’t my opinion on Chychrun and his worth to the Oilers, it’s my opinion on the state of the Oilers evaluation process. We should be able to have a nuanced conversation, but it becomes difficult when the argument is turned into a black and white one.

So, I’ve mostly avoided the conversation because it’s not productive. However, if you’re wondering, I think Ken Holland should trade for Chychrun, even if the price is dear. Names like Xavier Bourgault, Dylan Holloway, Philip Broberg and Reid Schaefer, plus the first-round pick in 2023, should be in the conversation. I’m not saying trade all of them, but some or most of those names won’t be contributing for some time. If it’s go time, then it’s go time. For the record, I would hold the 2023 first rounder, Holland and Broberg as being the most valuable pieces.

LOWETIDE AND JAMIESON

A busy Friday and the last show before Christmas! We’ll have Steve Lansky, a preview of the Oilers-Canucks and talk of football pro and college. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio, and best of the season!

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Harpers Hair

The Flames out shot the Ducks 23-1 in the second period.

dunterpunter

and yet its still 2-2, now that, is funny.

Harpers Hair

And they hit the post multiple times.

dunterpunter

Sutters gonna milk some utters tomorrow morning with vengeance if they lose.

hunter1909

He’s telling the Flames to hold on and make the playoffs.

McSorley33

This PK is something special

McSorley33

The Canuck’s?

thehappyrabbi

That first goal was something a house league goalie would be ashamed to let in. Skinner gets a lot of credit and good press around town. He has worked hard and earned it.

Having said that, he is only 10-9-1 this year. He was 6-6 last year. Yet Jack Campbell, with an .872 save percentage and 4.02 GAA is 2 games above 500. Our defense may suck, our team game isn’t the best, but something isn’t quite right with Skinner.

He doesn’t seem to be able to win games at this level. He is an NHL goalie, but so far, he is a good backup, not at all a starter.

Last edited 1 year ago by thehappyrabbi
Reja

Should of started Campbell been beating the win percentage of Campbell to no avail. Dig into the numbers Skinner is as J.J Walker used to say is Dynamite for the first 2 periods. When it comes to the 3rd period Skinner is a wallflower.

Sierra

Skinner in a slump?
.889
.765
.906

Munny 2.0

Brown: (paraphrasing) The Oilers give every team in the League the opportunity to win the game when they play. Every game, no matter who they are playing. That’s why every game is a close game. They regularly give opponents chances to stay in it.

W

If games are close how come we only have 1 looser point?

Munny 2.0

Because there are far more variables at play there? Not the least of which is winning in overtime.

I don’t think there’s any question the Oilers have been in a lot of tight games this year.

Last edited 1 year ago by Munny 2.0
OriginalPouzar

2, I think.

Scungilli Slushy

Because they outright lose games they should win like this one

Sierra

Great assessment

Reja

Pretty sad I could name 3 players that need to be fired into the Sun. This team needs a heart transplant when is Kane returning?

Sierra

Name them?

Sierra

2-0
2-5

ok then. Brutal

Faustkarz

this team has 0 bite

F group do with kane back but well he’s gone

even with, the strength is scoring not hurt

but good lord

the D group is just as unintimidating as possible

it’s not size, its not hits, its lack of pursuit and smart aggression

it really is as bad as DoD days but its glossed over by McD and Drai PP prowess; you put hall nuge ebs with this D core it would equally as bad 5v5 imo

last year, it not necessarily the new coach bump or woodys fault entirely

but the D core just isnt up to snuff

nurse is a 1D by name alone, he’s not a game controller or a QB. he effectively logs minutes. outside of that it’s a “please dont get scored on crew”.

that needs work

danny

Not to single him out but Leon really has a penchant for trying too many low percentage passes. The team in general is too focused on making plays, instead of possession. Leads to a lot of passive play / puck watching instead of just engaging and competing.

Faustkarz

i think they focus on quick plays because the defensemen and men over the bench are not up to snuff;

hard to say but its hard to run a possessive game without elite puck D and bouchard and barrie are great they are not that

Reja

Leon put a pass on a platter for Yam Fry a 12 year-old would of handled the the puck better Yam Fry. Woody why the hell is Holloway not in the top 6 for useless Yam Fry and J.P. 34 games into the season and they have 4 goals between them what a fuking embarrassment to the Oiler logo.

Scungilli Slushy

Leon is a really talented player

I feel he is also a very selfish player. He needs to be a leader, and his play through most of very many games is bad, no other word. Anyone else would get demoted or traded

His choices kill momentum and growth of the team unit because he constantly needlessly turns the puck over. Flow and line to line energies can’t build

Frequent long shifts and the slowest skating off I’ve ever seen. Moseying across basically the entire width of the rink I’ve see

Highly predictable play when he’s flat, to the office and give the puck away

Then talking to the press about the team having to be better. BS in my eyes, I don’t care about personal stats when they lose like this, it’s at the heart of the issue and cause

Reja

This is Heresy he’s playing with 2 wingers that can’t think the game fast enough.

Scungilli Slushy

None of what I mentioned is a wingers fault

Maybe if he didn’t constantly bury himself deep in the corner he’d have a play

Opponents often cover him too close to do anything there

Reja

Leon thinks the game on a Bobby Orr level get him 2 Savvy wingers and Bob’s your Uncle.

Sierra

Speaking of ‘Heresy’….

fistycuff

That’s what you call ripping the fans off of hard earned money. Extremely disappointing and unfair to the people who pay to watch. This happens way too often in their own barn. Frankly it’s disgusting 🤮

Scungilli Slushy

🤮 🤮 🤮

cowboy bill

Out goalied by… who ?

Scungilli Slushy

Maybe they could throw their sticks in a pile at centre ice and burn them in a viking pyre. Including the extra ones

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Carbon fibre doesn’t burn that well :/

Scungilli Slushy

More mead

Munny 2.0

Remember Hyman talking about the team learning the lessons of blowing points against teams they should beat, losing games they should win…?

Yeah. Still in school.

Last edited 1 year ago by Munny 2.0
Faustkarz

hyman hasnt been with the oilers long

hes learning the culture just now

Scungilli Slushy

Why no stick salute?

Munny 2.0

Wow. Rare one-timer appearance from Jesse. Why the hell does he keep that under the wraps?

flyfish1168

knucks played last evening and we have been resting. Pathetic

Brewha Ha

I would pay $1.15 cents to watch go to an Oiler game. The price of the concessions though.

cowboy bill

It’s over now . Merry Christmas.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Really disappointing effort after the 1st period.

Le sigh

Cant play 2/3 of a game every two games gents.

hunter1909

Until the game ends Oilers are technically in the 8th playoff spot.

When NHL action returns after xmas Oilers will be out of the playoff picture.

Scungilli Slushy

Nuge has been poor this game. McLeod awful but gets a rusty pass

OriginalPouzar

Nuge could have singlehandedly swung this game to a won – missed on two 5-alarm chances and main culprit on winning goal against.

Reja

So much for the all-star game.

rich tm

To make a team with an AHL goalie and a subpar defense look good is pathetic. A piss poor effort…again.

leadfarmer

Getting outworked by a team that played extra minutes last night.

Scungilli Slushy

Yes

And I don’t buy that stuff anymore anyway, after Tipp said maybe back in the day. 5 star everything

We see repeatedly our team get outplayed by ‘tired’ teams, and rarely return the favour

3 in 4 I give some slack

This was not a goalie loss. He was rarely challenged with good shots, all perimeter or fluffy crap

Munny 2.0

Drai looked like he really didnt want to cover Barrie’s pinch there. Pretty hesitant reaction

Pretendergast

There is no other team in the league that gets a full trap like the Oilers. Literally any lead and the other team traps for as long as possible. Find a way to beat it. Crisp passes.

Munny 2.0

Can’t just pull up there Jesse, at least toss the puck into the corner

Scungilli Slushy

Yup

DevilsLettuce

So I came in from the shop and turned the game on at the end of the 1st..

BornInAGretzkyJersey

“Been a battle ever since.”

Drink!

hunter1909

6 and a half minutes for the 2 man team lol

Scungilli Slushy

Barrie hears dog whistles and Nuge goes full DoD with a crappy stick check and avoiding all contact. Probably Horvat’s easiest one this year

Boo, piss weak

cowboy bill

They need some urgency.

fistycuff

Oilers don’t deserve points. Sloppy, passive and soft dzone play. Time to go play street hockey. What happened to the team that was in Dallas?

rich tm

It’s beneath them to put that kind of effort 2 games in a row.

OriginalPouzar

Barrie lost battle. Nuge lost battle (well, didn’t identify the need to battle).

Get that back please.

fishman

Good thing Canucks are tired. Nuge doesn’t cover his man for the tap in. Crap.

norm2015

wow 👌 go

Scungilli Slushy

Jesse is being helpful to the point it’s unhelpful

He needs to want to score more and balance off not participating in the attack very much

Can’t score 5v5 with your ass in the D’s pocket or goalies face when the pucks behind the net. You go there when it’s the right time – timing

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Unfortunately these days he’s got neither jam, nor crust.

His game has gone stale.

Last edited 1 year ago by BornInAGretzkyJersey
Faustkarz

the heel of bread

neither worthless or wanted

but usable for a sandwich

BornInAGretzkyJersey

A dad’s sandwich.

Also useful as crutons, or in a French onion soup. Just sayin’.

Gotta be creative.

Last edited 1 year ago by BornInAGretzkyJersey
cowboy bill

Skinner has to keep them in the game .

Munny 2.0

Kostin with yet another strong shift

Scungilli Slushy

Foegele should have crushed him instead of looking for the puck and accomplishing nothing to stop the attack

Faustkarz

is Van able to extend kuzmenko to a worthy offseason contract or is he available?

Faustkarz

another high scoring F and situationally solid defensive D this team is set

aint gonna change the goalie tandem this season

BornInAGretzkyJersey

In the offseason I was higher on Mikheyev for the bottom six, myself. More affordable, fast, and can PK. Fills a bigger area of need.

I (mostly) like our top-6.

Last edited 1 year ago by BornInAGretzkyJersey
Faustkarz

yeah i mean strictly this season

kuzmenko is a sub $1m contract playing for a non playoff team up for grabs

and honestly of the opinion oilers lean into their strength

well..

they cant do anymore on the PP but their top 6 can be world killers 5v5

kuzmenko is easily fit able for like, asset wise, its highest bidder but a 2nd or 3rd

and get a 2nd LF who can defend for JP etc.

honestly id give JP for kuzmenko even if kuzmenko is 100% signing with van in offseason

fuck this dead weight

Last edited 1 year ago by Faustkarz
BornInAGretzkyJersey

We were in on Kuzmenko, but I never heard if we were in on Mikheyev.

He was my target as a strong option for the bottom six this previous off-season, as a direct result of an old habit of mine to watch non-core players from opposing teams to see who’d be a fit on our team. Someone you could acquire cheap and see flourish. It was Lee Stempniak, who burned us with each of the dozen teams he played for, that started that ritual.

Munny 2.0

C’mon Bouch maintain structure, Jesus

Munny 2.0

Foegele doing his best Emmett Smith impression

Munny 2.0

Need an effort like the one against Dallas in the 3rd—no more goals against. Shut them down. An opportunity to break the deadlock will come.

cowboy bill

Oilers better not give this game away.
Bare down guy’s. It’s not Christmas yet .

Brewha Ha

Dallas game looking like a one-off. Edmonton playing exactly like they did against the previous 3 teams.

Scungilli Slushy

I think they have trouble with narratives of ‘we can score’ in their heads

They had a game against a good team, a nemesis, where they played simple and direct and things went their way. Some games have flow in your direction

And they immediately revert to a soft style, low urgency, and looking for goals, cheating. And letting the other team have hope and making them look a lot better than they are.

They need to watch Bergeron tape until they can’t stand to do anything but play the details right, every shift. Goals will take care of themselves and feel just as good, or better

hunter1909

2-2

For scientific research;

The plain fact is Oilers can ill afford to lose any more points before the xmas break.

Must Win Game?

Yes press +

No press –

Ignore and this kind of research will be open for review.

Faustkarz

depends on the implication of “must”

“must win” to win playoffs or a cup no

“must win” for people to like the oilers over xmas dinner

sure

leadfarmer

One thing I like the World Cup is refs being sent home publicly for bad performances
this would be one of those games

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Ryan with a nice goal but the 4th line is it’s two Ozone penalties is not gonna make the coach spread the love.

Barrie too jumpy on that last PK goal.

Seems a bit lackadaisical right now. Not quite enough urgency IMO

Itll be a better effort in the 3rd 👍