Oilers at Blues, G14 2025-26

by Lowetide
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0) Actual 1-0
  • At home to: Avalanche, Blue Jackets (1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Flyers, Blue Jackets, Hurricanes (1-2-0)
  • On the road to: Sabres, Capitals, Lightning, Panthers (1-2-1)
  • At home to: Stars (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Kraken (0-0-1)

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Chelios is a Dinosaur

Anyone else think the problem with our goalies is we spend 20 million on two defenders who can’t defend?

Chelios is a Dinosaur

Correction: won’t defend.

Chelios is a Dinosaur

Our HOF d-man is anHOF d-man when he is stapled to McDavid and paired with Ekholm.
With McDavid invisible and Ekholm fading, our HOF d-man is a huge liability. Maybe the Bouchard skeptics weren’t so far off base? Maybe 10.5 is too much for a guy that directly costs you multiple losses before Christmas? Bouchard is not winning these games back on his own.

anonymous

Yeah, I think I was as wrong about Bouchard as I have been about any player. I think he can be a great player, obviously, but this might not be the team for him. If Nurse was worth his money then maybe there is cover but that’s not to be.

The Oilers would be better of allocating his money two a couple reliable defenders.

A team like Carolina might be able to maximize Bouch.

Chelios is a Dinosaur

Last year I was suggesting 9 million just so people wouldn’t stop reading but I really would have wanted him traded. There is no price I want to pay for a player that can sink a game at any point. You wouldn’t pay a goalie half of what Bouchard makes if he was directly responsible for this many games.

anonymous

I would obviously trade nurse first and find the right partner for Bouchard but that’s not going to happen.

This mix on defence isn’t going to win anything. I’d bet Bowman moves him, hopefully it’s not another classic Oilers sell low move.

OriginalPouzar

Feel free to look at the numbers posted late last night that show that, over the last two years, this is NOT the case.

rickithebear

07-08 Rover Theory: Off D abandonment allows free path to their D side. Destroys any Cover on my HD SH area. (68/69 flin flon bombers age 4).
Current VP Trans Alta Gen & Renewanbles (Head of TA combined Gen Assets 05’ when he turned to all NA combined asset Managers meeting at Sheerness, “Do not lose him.”) Gary Woods was at Wab power complex when I generated Heat maps for Maint design flaw flagging sys.
You cannot afford to have 2 major abandoning D. Allowing higher % OSH targeting = Higher xSH% = Higher xGA. (XAvg predict pladtic disaster 8th best work, NAIT tech writing class Jan 95’)
Last check we had low EVSa/60 for our top 5 D. But each d side should have their own rate.
Free path to a d side allows time 4 better open SH targeting & more effective 3 Planes of targeting in net elevation. (07/08)
A. Over shoulder
B. Under arms & above pads with forced awkward arm flex
C. Fake shot to pause tracking across crease & create open space betwen goalie & post.
been 15+ years before I finally saw (WPG) D rolling under Goalies open areas in net elevation creating a closed wall.(07/08)
Still see many players who have not trained to counter bio Evohunt mech hit body (SH into Goalie). (Solar harmonic fetal cell const variance 78’ in xx, xy human brain 82’ indv. React, learn, train)

drewbot

Just watched the goals and i have no explanation on what 2 was doing on game winner. He just drifted away from his check leaving him untouched on the goalie. Im a huge 2 fan but he needs to be benched. if not KK will loose this team.

Last edited 6 months ago by drewbot
Sierra

The coaching is becoming a concern

GaetanHaasWasAMediocreHockeyPlayer

Going through the checklist of the most infuriating ways to lose:

  • Opponent is an inferior team on a prolonged losing streak
  • Missed chances to bury the game early
  • Soft penalty to let the other team into the game
  • Two blatant missed calls in the last seven minutes
  • Goal against in the last two minutes, despite holding the opponent to three shots in the third
  • Inexcusable defense from a supposed star player

Just a most hateful evening.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

I have absolutely no patience for any Bouchard apologist at this point. I don’t care how talented he may be. I can’t imagine how his teammates tolerate his gutless style of play.

Lewis Grant

I’ve been arguing for years that 1) offensive defensemen are overpaid; and 2) Bouchard doesn’t have a track record of success away from prime-era Ekholm. (I know OP has some mild evidence to the contrary on the latter, but it seems to be fading by the day.)

OriginalPouzar

Evidence is outscoring the opposition away from Ekholm.

2 seasons coming in to this one, Bouchard away from Ekholm:

Regular Season: 53% goals share and 60% expected goal share.

Playoffs: 29-19 goals (61%), 62% expected goals (Ekholm at 3-5 goals and 26% expected goals in 70 minutes away from Bouchard)

Lewis Grant

How many minutes has Bouch had away from Ekholm? From my memory, they’ve pretty much been stapled together.

Does this include PP time? Seriously, he’s been on the ice for 48 goals without Ekholm in the playoffs? That’s like 10 games. Paired with whom?

Also, how much of that is away from McDavid?

OriginalPouzar

That is all 5 on 5 over the course of the last two seasons and lat two playoff runs.

I was named in a post that said Bouchard is not established away from Ekholm and citing that I had numbers – I showed the numbers.

Now you are asking about controlling for McDavid – that was not your point – your point was away from Ekholm – that is moving the goalposts.

OriginalPouzar

but, if you really want me to do all the work, that 810 minutes at 5 on 5 of Bouchard away from Ekholm over the last two season with 53% goal share and 60% expected (and 400 playoff minutes).

Bouchard away from McDavid and Ekholm in the playoffs the last two season: 11-8 goals and 65% expected goals (44% goals share and 53% expected goal share in the regular season).

Scungilli Slushy

Hey OP. I’m on the road instead of you, or maybe you are as well. Anyhow, the timing of my comments is off and I won’t respond timely or at all, pretty busy

The stats don’t tell the whole or true story of the Oilers. The xGF tells the part of the immense talent. The outshooting tells the story of a more balanced team than ever and decent enough coaching

It seems at this point what is going to define the McDavid era is if they are going to be able to be the team that rises to the occasion in key moments. Goalies and all. Right now they concede those to almost any team

Crappy teams in reg season, giving up leads or whatever. Not being able to keep pace with the teams that have eliminated them in playoffs

It can be said that’s the story of most teams. It is, but I don’t think anyone here sees the McDavid/Draisaitl situation era as ‘most teams’. They are in the Crosby Letang – Toews Kane – Point Hedman – conversation, minus the Cups so far

It will be a very sad thing if they can’t get it together 100% and get it done

Scungilli Slushy

The thing that may be missing is the player or two that would rather die than be beaten at anything at anytime. I think it sets the tone for the team

Messier. Lemieux, Crosby. Doughty. Hedman/Point. There were some teams that were just deeper, I don’t think of a dominant individual in this vein. The Devils, Panthers

Drai is approaching it but it’s not all the time, Connor and Bouch lose focus too much, Ekholm could have been, 7-8 years ago. It’s not too late but they don’t have much time left for ‘learning’

Red wolf

This Oiler team is soft like butter

drewbot

Here is real issue, they play an emotionless game. Maybe they need some real grit in the leadership core?

Fibonacci

You mean like Evander Kane and Corey Perry?

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

Exactly.

Moonlight

Or some emotion from the coach 🤷‍♂️

cowboy bill

A goaltending dual Binnington vs Pickard what do you expect.

LMHF#1

Classic ho-hum Knoblauch presser incoming.

All the usual “we were fine” “things were close” BS.

This is what a coach says when they either have no answers or don’t know that the point is to win however works.

This team putting up so few GF is an absolute travesty.

yeraslob

I knew they’d lose after someone said guaranteed win night.

Diablo

There is no such thing as in the NHL this year.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

Wonder how Bouchard is received in the locker room tonight. If he has any shame whatsoever, he must feal like garbage.

SKOilerFan

Meh, been like this for a while with no accountability so dont expect anything to change

McSoreley33

People need to watch the replay of Bouchard….

Bizzaro world

SKOilerFan

Only explanation is he was scared of getting hit by the puck?

RT26

I see the value of Bouchard and would not trade him. That said, there has to be some accountability for his lack of engagement in the defensive end and in front of his own net. Sit for a period, don’t just sling him over the boards every time he makes a mistake related to effort.

i love Pickard as a person, teammate and story, but he has been a liability this year in net. We need a real 1A/ 1B tandem, and I think Skinner could be one of those goalies. Think Pickard may have peaked last year

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

I’d trade him in a heartbeat if I were Bowman. Search Wiki for “addition by subtraction”. Yes, that’s a photo of Bouchard.

McSoreley33

Queue the excuses…

That is a bad Blues team…

godot10

The Blues are not a bad team. They are a good team playing badly, and in bad luck.

McSoreley33

Thomas is a great player….outside of that, who scares you?

Kyrou is nice. Neighbours is good.

Schenn is almost 35

They barely made the playoffs last year. Same points as the Flames and that is a tell.

Doubt they make it this year

dangilitis

Sid Crosby played over 23 mins tonight, in his late 30s.

Blaming these losses on playing McDavid 20 mins is missing the actual bigger picture.

This team is being out coached and out played

prefonmich

The 25 McDavid minutes each game is part of the poor coaching though. NHL is a 4 line league. Top teams come at you in waves with 3 strong lines at the least. Playing two players on all parts of the game including pk and all pp minutes is not a recipe to win in a team game. That is on coaching.

Fibonacci

Sid is averaging 19:07 this season.

McDavid 23:32

Sierra

You are partially correct

Reach Advantage

Penguins lost

dsr29

Pickard makes some great saves every game. But man he doesn’t look comfortable doing any of it. Scrambling all over his crease.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

In Pickard’s defense, it gets kind of sketchy out there when it’s 5×3.

prefonmich

Bouchard doing the opposite of shot blocking there. Gets as far away from net as possible to avoid being hit but leaves his guy wide open for rebound. McDavid with the terrible penalty though to get St Louis ignited in the game

Louis Levasseur

Dude has to sit. That was complete lack of courage.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

Well deserved loss.

godot10

Pretty sure that was Skinner’s fault on the game winning goal on Pickard.

Diablo

Pickard sucks – couldn’t swallow up the rebound on the GWG. His run support has dried up and his supporters are no longer crowing about how all he does in win.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

WT absolute F is Bouchard doing on that goal?

Diablo

Just a huge p@ss¥. Zero interest in defending.

StixMalone

What a joke. Blues winless in 7 then the oilers come into town to help them get out of their funk…typical Oil 🤢

LMHF#1

Connor with another weak giveaway on a zero effort play and they’re 12 seconds from another loss to a horrible team.

This idiot coach focusing an attacking team on shot suppression thinking one goal games are the path to victory is costing them every single damn night.

Watching this team play is getting more frustrating by the game.

SKOilerFan

Saw that a few times in the 3rd. 97 just gave up the puck for free along the wall and no fight to get it back. Just bizzare low compete level

SKOilerFan

FFS 2 actually backed away from his own net to worsen his chance of having position on his man. NO Interest in the D zone!

McSoreley33

Exactly …skated away

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

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Last edited 6 months ago by Decidedly Skeptical Fan
Moonlight

Point taken

fishman

Bouch with a very nice view on the Blues goal…….

prefonmich

What the hell was Bouch doing there? And two obvious missed calls with ref looking directly at the trips loom large.

McSoreley33

Simply incredible….just pure avoidance to defend by Bouchard

SKOilerFan

But, Hey let’s reward him with more ice time!

Crazy Pedestrian

Predictable.

LMHF#1

Ekholm and Bouchard staring at the puck.

WTF are these guys being coached to do in front? They’re all not taking attackers now.

SKOilerFan

Unbelievable. Must be getting coached to avoid contact at all costs?
Top of crease is consistently uncontested

LMHF#1

And this after they both went to the corner chasing to set the whole sequence in motion.

McSoreley33

Not this time…Bouchard actually, intentionally, skated away from the net on the shot on goal. Clear intent to leave.

SKOilerFan

He looks like a 15u aged kid just entering contact hockey. Avoiding traffic at all costs

godot10

Boooo-chard.

Prairie_Sentinel

Dammit

Moonlight

Sorry if this was posted earlier. Good on Samuel Jonsson.

https://x.com/EricJFriesen/status/1985492107302490352?t=gro1Qz99E8MmXDBhKvNmrQ&s=19

Crazy Pedestrian

Oilers yet again, can’t hold the lead.

OriginalPouzar

Pickard sliding out of the net on a straight on shot for some reason……

McSoreley33

True.

Bouchard skating * away* from the net is bizarre though…

SKOilerFan

Well he probanly didn’t see it because the high forward didn’t block the shot and there were 2 blues standing in the slot unmolested by tweedle dee and tweedle dum. No one wanted to pay the price

Prairie_Sentinel

Listening on 880 CHED – are we doing our usual “get a lead, blow a lead”?

Ice Sage

yep, shades of the Calgary opener game.
agree with LT, no cup for teams who can’t hold a lead

DevilsLettuce

The Glimmer twin era has always been the hardest road possible, this is nothing new.

OriginalPouzar

What a shift by Podz/Philp.

Elgin R

Thought more of the Blue’s fan base. 97 in town and lots of empty lower bowl seats.

OriginalPouzar

Oilers only had one PK last game but McDavid/Drai were not on first or second and they weren’t again on that PK – on third for the last 20 seconds which is a good strategy, I think most would agree.

fishman

97 + 29 taking full pk shifts made absolutely no sense. Not sure why KK went there???

Last edited 6 months ago by fishman
OriginalPouzar

It made sense in the “small picture” as, well, they are very good at it – zero goals against.

Of course, there is a larger picture to look at.

godot10

The Blues season in a nutshell…the Mangiapane goal.

OriginalPouzar

Great speed by McDavid to back off the defence and dish wide.

Great pass by Nuge to Mangiapane.

Solid finish by Mangi – quick release.

———

Two more points for Nuge, one on the PP and one at 5 on 5.

He’s a top 6 producer this year – he stays in the top 6 as long as he’s near current production pace – he’s over PPG.

Side

Bread Eater scored again but, who cares? He needs to get those shots up.

fishman

Pick with a big save, leads to a rush and Mangy takes a sweet feed for a 5 x 5 goal!

OriginalPouzar

He’s been very good so far – needed it as he’s been quite poor to start the season.

Good bounce back by Picks to this point – now don’t leak a Grade B chance.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Let them eat bread, at 5v5 no less.

David

Hopefully the rest of the team is asking Roslovic what is this thing he is doing shooting top shelf? “Like how do you do that?” By the end of the season Roslovic will be shooting a foot off the ice like a true Oiler.

DevilsLettuce

PPG in 2 straight games, Roslovic has found a home

OriginalPouzar

Great defensive play by Holloway.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Roslovic dishes the biscuit as fast as he can receive it from Connor via Nuge, and we’re 1-bagel.

OriginalPouzar

The PP is back to being a weapon – tops in the league and that was quick.

More points for Nuge.