The Greatest of All

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Fibonacci

Avalanche owner Stan Kroenke has just purchased the Los Angeles Angels for a reported $4 billion.

“KSE also owns the NFL’s Los Angeles Rams, the NBA’s Denver Nuggets and the NHL’s Colorado Avalanche, as well as Major League Soccer’s Colorado Rapids, the National Lacrosse League’s Colorado Mammoth and the Premier League’s Arsenal Football Club. 

KSE also owns SoFi Stadium and the 300-acre Hollywood Park district in Inglewood, California. Kroenke spent $5 billion on the stadium, which is home to both the Rams and the Los Angeles Chargers.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/09/01/stan-kroenke-controlling-stake-los-angeles-angels.html

Worth noting that the Angels own and operate their own TV and radio streaming which are included in the purchase.

Side

I don’t think any of this was worth noting. lol

OriginalPouzar

Puckpedia reporting Tolvanen to the Rangers 1 X $1.5MM – not official but I supect PP got this from his agent.

OriginalPouzar

Staff finally back from over two weeks off – nothing happens when Stauff is gone, no tidbits to talk about. He had Bowman on today:

1) Camp is short (13 days).

2) Savoie: having a good summer, something came up that needed to be taken care of. Fortunately nothing too serious and Matt’s going to be a big part of this team this year, just a bit of a later start. Confirms, no he won’t miss anything like a month and a half like Hyman last year. Won’t know on accurate timeline until he gets back to skating but this will no be weeks and weeks.

3) Andersen: Not a new injury. something he’s been dealing with for a bit. Took a calculated risk that a procedure would’t be needed. He’ll be a bit longer than Savoie. Jary and Levi will have a great opportunity to start the year.

When Bob asked if they thought about adding a goalie in – Have good depth in goal and promising prospects,

4) Janmark: No complication per se in this recovery. He’d been dealing with this for a number of year – played through a lot of pain and probably shouldn’t. He had the procedure and there was a lot of healing that needed to happen. It’s part of the process and lots of rehab required. No great feel for how long that might be.

5) Regula: Played great down the stretch and was good in the short playoff run (best d-man). This wasn’t an injury that came up out of nowhere. He wants to play the majority of the season and if he just went rehab there was a chance it wouldn’t get him 100% so they got it “fixed”. He’s not far away, will probably be skating (by himself) at camp.

6) Potential PTO or signing: We’ve had some conversations. Lots of inbound calls as teams and agents are looking for things. Players trying to find landing spots. Not sure we are gong to go down that road. We do not have a shortage of players. Could bring someone in but not much time to evaluate and tryout. Really 2 games as the roster will play 2. Wouldn’t rule it out but I wouldn’t wait for the news to break that they are going to add new players.

7) Asked about a d-man making $10MM more than Bouch: Talked about the market shifting and where it’s gone for elite players. Bouchard has solidified himself for impact d-men in the top of the league. because he’s so good on the PP and the PP is so good there is this notion that he’s a PP specialist but Bowman goes the other way – his ES offensive generation due to his patience, recognition of players, find plays, transition the puck, putting it on the tape, etc. that’s his superpower. He’s great on the PP but his ability at 5 on 5…… some people overlook it. He makes it look easy but its not easy.

8) Communication with coaches: Mike has tons of energy. I’ve talked to him a ton, the coaches have the players have. He has lots of thoughts but he’s very collaborative. He has a million idea but doesn’t think they are all great and wants to hear opinions on them. DJ also has a ton of energy. It’s going to be a different feel. He’s a ton of fun to be around. Lots of thoughts on the game, very curious guy. He doesn’t claim to have all the answers – wants to hear what you have to say and why you think something.

9) A good start: We talk about it every year and haven’t nailed it yet. Its important. Playing catch-up puts a lot of stress on the team. We are certainly rested, new players but not too much turnover but new coaching crew who will put new systems in place which will take time to sort out but we can win while we sort it out.

10) Loading up top players: Talked about it a ton internally. No right answer. Probably more good arguments for them playing together. The biggest challenge the last few years was the lack of depth. Its not so much not having good enough players but the opportunity for those players to play important roles, it’s been challenging. Players have gone elsewhere and succeed. There was not much rope when the minutes were so low. When McDavid/Drai are on the same line it doesn’t leave many minutes for the 3rd/4th lines. If they play together, there is a need for others to play more and they step up. We aren’t going to do it all the time, of course.

11) Donskov: A little different. Mike brought it in. Mike had worked with him before. Mike raved about his insight and his value and how he can bring something to the group, even in a smaller role (keeping his HC role). He will play an important role without our group too. Bowman got to know him, likes him, has some great ideas, etc.

Moonlight

I love hearing the full roster will play two games. No more extended preseason, hallelujah.

greenshifter

I’m not sure what makes them think they have the depth, over past years, to load up McDrai even half the time (home games). The depth isn’t there.

OriginalPouzar

That’s spoken too in the summary

Lenny

Stauff’s lines

Howard McD Drai
Podz Nuge Hyman
Freddi Dickinson Kapanen
Dach Samanski Joseph
Jones

said he would have Savoie with McDrai if he was healthy. Also mentioned McDavid and Drai as a possible PK duo 🙄

LMHF#1

So the bottom two lines get their teeth kicked in, line 2 struggles to score (completely wrong mix of players) and Howard gets all the pressure in the universe to finish chances.

Boneheaded.

Fibonacci

That bottom 6 is a massive smoking crater.

Lenny

Bowman: it was Babcock’s idea to bring in Donskov, raved about him to Stan

daniel

Stauffer on the radio cautioning to “not be surprised” if 29 & 97 play more than 50% of their time together, with 93, 18 & 92 as the second line.

yycyegyvr

Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?

OriginalPouzar

Kane/Nuge/Hyman were absolutely dominant as a 2nd line not that long ago in the 2025 playoffs. Sub Podz in for Kane…

CallighenMan

No, tell us again 😉

MushedPeas

I see what you did… 🙂

Fibonacci

Dennis King

Yes, I’m back on social media. Thanks to Eric, Tyler, Chris & Mark and everyone else with the Canes. I learned a lot. Won a ring:) Ultimately, I decided not to renew my contract. Life is year-to-year:) May have media opportunities to announce at a later date

https://x.com/dkingbh/status/2094531733945262470?s=61

rev.hans

You heard the suggestion of the rumour first on Lowetide this morning: Dennis King on the Sportsnet panel.

Fibonacci

OP would be devastated by King’s honesty.

OriginalPouzar

Nothing that person online could devastate me.

Fibonacci

@NHL-Sid

Some personal news. I am leaving @dfoedmonton (formerly OilersNation), and starting a Substack.

I wanted to say that I’m very grateful to @jsbmbaggedmilk & @zjlaing. Their support over my 5 years at ON was wonderful, and I deeply appreciate the opportunity they gave me.

colieo_87

Ednonton oilers are going to gave a season to remember in a good way. Im feeling very excited about this team. Im not a Bowman or Jackson fan since the broberg and Holliday offer sheets. I just think babcock is going to have success for 2 years and then hes gone and his assistant gets promoted

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Why would you blame Bowman or Jackson for the offer sheets that 100% culminated under Holland’s tenure?

Grover Jackson

Given the Sobchuk story, one wonders if Slats envisioned Messier as a potential bodyguard for Gretzky before he blossomed into so much more? Of course, Glen already had Semenko in the fold but adding depth on top of depth was kind of Sather’s thing.

One of my favourite Messier stories was him holding out for a better rookie contract from Slats. Gretzky’s take at the time. “He’d scored one goal the previous year!!!” lol

Clearly the Moose believed in himself from the very beginning.

Reja

I think Slats seen immense competitiveness in a power style type kid. With the waiver draft clearly against the incoming WHA teams as well as the draft order. We hit the 649 and Lotto Max in back to back years never mind having Wayne. Sather let the youth play who knows how Anferson-Kurri-Messier Mogg-Fuhr-Coffey-Lowe-Tikkanen end up if we had a coach like K.K who was afraid of his own shadow. We had all year to see if Howard was the answer top 6 instead K.K never gave the kid a chance. With a new Coach what will Mike do maybe he doesn’t want to break in rookies besides Dach who’s clearly a bottom 6er. Levi will obviously get some early starts Howard-Dach-Shakir-Samanski one or two of these players will get faded.

Grover Jackson

From Pocklington winning Gretzky off Skalbania in a game of backgammon, to Barry Fraser’s run at the draft, to the McDavid lottery win, good luck has been a massive part of the story in Edmonton’s hockey history.

I like to think it’s the good karma we accrue from living on the frozen tundra six months a year.

Reja

The Penquins and the Oilers mirror each other 5 Cups each Mario-Jagr-Crosby-Malkin-Francis-Coffey-Stevens-Letang Oilers Gretzky-Kurri-Messier-Anderson-Coffey-McDavid -Draisaitl-Bouchard Lemieux who truth be told when healthy was just as dangerous as Gretzky Jagr as well those 2 were unstoppable even in the dead puck era.

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rev.hans

Wiser hockey minds than mine (the bar is very low) have said (I’m paraphrasing):
-the NHL is not a developmental league;
-an NHL coach, no matter how successful, is only a few losses from being fired, so winning is all that matters;
-we don’t know what we don’t know, but we do know that when owners meddle, things don’t go well.

Also: the higher the expectations, the greater the fall, the more desperate the reactions to the fall.

In arguably the most hockey-mad market in the NHL, my perception is that all of these things are true and amplified. Blaming coaches and goalies is the easiest thing to do, here in Oilerville, where the weather oscillates between feverish belief in McJesus, and panic. Blaming coaches and goalies hasn’t worked as a Cup-winning strategy, so far. But, if it makes you happy…

Reja

Or you saying Gavin McKenna isn’t going to learn as he goes or maybe you send him to the minors for a couple years that is if you can take the pressure from the fans and reporters by saying every 5 minutes that the NHL isn’t a developmental league. It all depends what position you’re applying for. Smaller skilled forwards arrive first then skilled centres arrive about the time a Lane Huston super skilled smaller D arrive. Big Lanky forwards arrive later along with big centre’s. Wyatt Johnson was a freak of nature arriving instantly. The goalies in today’s league arrive mid-twenties. If we have to sit here and we don’t have a clue whether Howard at 22 is going to be a Mercer type scoring 20 plus or a dud that BriseBois suckered in Bowman in getting Mr.O’Reilly that could haunt Oiler fans the next 15 years as a centre. If Howard is a dud then Bowman better flip him while he still has value.

Scungilli Slushy

I think when it’s said the NHL is not a development league it’s overstated. No, a player that is clearly not ready shouldn’t play in the NHL, but all players continually develop, some faster than others. The cap also says it’s best to use capable (if not perfect) players on ELC’s. The cap also says figure out who they are quickly and sign them early and long if possible

OriginalPouzar

Howard likely would have scored some goals in the top 6 last yea but it was clear that he wasn’t ready to play the minutes and to play that type of comp. Howard needed time to develop in the AHL and the organization provided him that opportunity and he now has the ability to reach his ceiling, something he likely never would have without the development time.

Howard had 2G and 5 points in 29 games.

Colton Dach mangend 2 goals and 4 points in 8 games – FROM THE FOURHT LINE.

Reja

If Howard needs years of development why make the trade in the first place. This trade is getting fishier and fishier even after the Savoie injury Howard’s name is not being brought up enough in the Oilers organization. Very little chatter hell Yamamoto name was brought up more than Howard’s name.

rev.hans

I believe a couple of things have been made clear, over the months of this discussion:
-Howard is a different kind of player than O’Reilly, and his skill set is likely to help the Oilers, where they need help, sooner than a SOR;
-the transition from college to NHL is not always a straight line:
-if Howard makes the transition, he will be a cheap, young skill player valued on a team that will need cheap, young, skill players this year, next year, and so on.

Trading Howard makes sense if the return helps win a Cup this year. But I’m not of the opinion that sacrificing cheap, young talent for win-now is the best use of the other talents on this team.

It’s possible Howard becomes an Oiler version of the Hab’s Caufield. That’s the bet I’d like to see GMSB make. If this coach —because he, like every coach before him here, during McD era— feels the pressure to win-now, won’t take the bet to start this season, Howard’s continued success in the AHL may force the issue. Here’s me, wishin’ and hopin’…

Reja

I could name 15 players that were same age or younger that were teammates with Howard on the USA developmental team that have been playing in the league for years. If Howard is a project why trade for a centre who we have been chasing every trade deadline. What are we up to 4 first rounders chasing a O’Reilly. Howard should have been put on the Hyman spot instead what exactly to we have in Howard who isn’t Babcock cup of tea. It was a

OriginalPouzar

Howard wasn’t ready to play a top 6 role in the NHL last season.

It doesn’t matter what any of his teammates did, what Wyatt Johnston did or what Gavin McKenna might do.

Keeping Howard in the NHL would have been a disservice to the player and likely limited his ceiling – he had part of his game to work on and was given the opportunity to do that in the proper league and will be a better NHL player for it.

OriginalPouzar

He spent 2/3 of his rookie pro season in the AHL – who the eff is talking about “years of development”????

You are making shit up.

Why do you keep mentioning “Howard’s name is not brought up enough in the Oilers’ organization”? Nobody in the org is saying anything publicly about any players. Babcock hasn’t spoken (except for a quote on the new coach) since the day he was hired and Bowman has talked about Howard being a big part of the team this year multiple times this season.

There has been one interview with an Oilers rep since the injuries and Bowman said the following:

““Howard’s in that group, where we expect them to be on the team. Then there are guys like Samanski and Quinn Hutson (63 AHL points in 67 games last season). Then you’ve got maybe unknown guys that are a little bit older, like Eduards Tralmaks (29) and Aku Raty (25),” Bowman said. “Those guys are not young guys, but they’re accomplished American League players who were always going to get a look. Now, maybe they’ll get a different look.”

Again, you are making shit up.

Reja

If you don’t think 3 years of Collage hockey in the States isn’t development time you need to revisit who won a effing gold metal at the Olympics. You keep saying there’s no men in U.S.A NCAA College hockey. This is a bald face lie your the one that doesn’t respect the College game in the United States of America.

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OriginalPouzar

What the…..?

Of course its development time, as is junior hockey.

If you think most good players leave college hockey fully formed without need to professional development in the minor leagues….

I’m not sure what the best US players in the NHL have to do with Issac Howard.

Oh, as an aside, Brock Nelson, Tage Thompson, J.T. Miller, Jake Guentzel – all with at least a full season in the AHL…..

Issac Howard needed 2/3 of a season of development in the best development league in the world, like almost all players do – I don’t understand why you can’t grasp this concept.

Do you really think the “men” in US college hockey, amateurs, are anything like the men in the AHL? Come on.

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BornInAGretzkyJersey

Clearly the Moose believed in himself from the very beginning.

This is an old story of my dad’s, so take it with a grain of salt but I’ve always liked it.

So it goes that young Messier was in class one day at high school and a substitute teacher had the gall to ask Mark to open his books and participate. “Fuk you,” he said while flipping said substitute teacher the bird, “I’m going to play hockey.”

BuceriasBrian

Dennis Sobchuk, man could that man ever shoot the puck…his slapper was the bain of many young goalies. Ron Chipperfiield, Dennis Sobchuk and Bobby Hess…three of the best 1970’s western boys to play the game.

OriginalPouzar

Biggest Oilers news of the day likely that Lauren Kyle is posting about being back in the office – presumption here is that the Captain is back in town.

Let’s Go!

Reja

Just looking back when we knocked off the Red Wings in six. Babcock had the Wings sizzling entering the Playoffs with a 25W-3L down the stretch. I’ll have to go back but how many times was a loaded Detroit beaten by underdogs. Something about Babcock possession game kick ass in the regular season then cracks in the Playoff. Even the Leaf teams were good regular season team under Babcock. Andersen was a rock then he couldn’t go to to toe with Tuukka Rask and who could fault him for that realistically.

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Scungilli Slushy

MacT used the same playbook that has beaten the Oilers more or less. And the ‘06 team while lacking high end depth had some potential underrated players like Horc. They played as a team and didn’t let the Wings do what they were used to doing

Reja

To be honest no Roloson we would have been lucky to win one game even with a shaky Legace. If you go back and watch every goal the Oilers scored that Playoff it’s crazy how many goals game from Screens and deflection in front. Smyth-Horcoff-Stoll-Torres-Pisani-Moreau etc we’re so good at tipping over 50% of our goals at least were generated with a shot from the Pronger-Bergeron-Spacek-Tardstrom-Smith

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Scungilli Slushy

Those goals have been sorely lacking from the current repertoire, and are critical when facing a team taking everything easy away

Reja

How many career goals Crosby-Malkin originating from a point shot with a tip compared to Connor-Ryan. Hyman is a good comparison to Ryan Smith. Why was Smith-Horcoff not hired to show a young Leon-Connor tips just as Wyatt Johnston learned from the master Pavelski. I don’t get this bullshit that we can’t hire a Doug Weight-Billy Guérin-Steve Staios-Mike Grier-Horcoff-Smyth because it’s the old boys club garbage.

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JJS

He also introduced trap hockey to Oilerland for the first time ever. They hadn’t deployed it during the season but adopted for the playoffs. Imagine that, a coach changing strategy in the playoffs? Who knew…

Reja

Does our 2006 team beat our team that went to the final twice. Roloson would mop the floor against no lateral movement Skinner. Once Hellebuyck is traded Skinner is the perfect goalie to tank with. I suspect we see Skinner on 2-3 tanking teams before his career over.

OriginalPouzar

We don’t know the structure that Babcock and Smith will be implementing except for the fact that it will be based on pressuring the opposition to get the puck back.

Babcock spoke about studying the league for the last 3 years, what has been working and what hasn’t and them learning his players and implementing fine tuning of systems based on all that information.

I’m not concerned about him relying on something that didn’t want the Cup one season 20 years ago.

Reja

I get you but does leopard change his spots at least D.J and Mike appear on the same page. As for Bowman the jury still out on whether the coaching change was his doing or above him? I’ll go with answer B.

OriginalPouzar

Josh Samanski – there is a player here and he’s got 3rd line upside. He can skate and he’s got the smarts and length to be a strong defender. We’ve already seen it. He’s also got skill and will be able to contribute to the offense – I watched him lead the Condors in 5 on 5 scoring at the time of call up.

Play this young man and play him on the PK. He was already effective in the NHL playoffs, he will be impactful after a full season of NHL development.

Lenny

And cheap, for a long time

Reja

Does he not fit in to the possession style of Babcock?

rev.hans

I’m with you. Have been since forever. But you’re pitching him hard. Is MB reading this?

Fibonacci

Multiple times a day.

Reminds me of his polishing Tyler Benson’s apples for years.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Reminds me of his polishing Tyler Benson’s apples for years.

Joe Snively says hello.

OriginalPouzar

When we get the two-three time a weak list of all the up and coming blue chip prospects from petty much 30 other teams, I always wonder how the likes of Lias Andersson and Tyler Madden and Alex Turcotte are doing.

Side

And somehow, you mentioned Brogan Rafferty on an Oilers blog more than OP mentioned Benson.

Except you stopped polishing Rafferty’s apples and tried to pretend like it was all a joke, even after your late night angry posts in defense of Brogan.

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Reja

I think it was more than an apple that was getting polished.

tsunami

you have absolutely no room to talk when it comes to “polishing”…

Reja

What a time to be alive watching the greatest show on ice and at many times off the ice in those first 5 years. BJ looked like he was 40 years old and yet he was only 25 when he banged home 46. It’s to bad about the eye injury to Brett Callighen it would have been nice to see him win a Cup.

Reja

You know your team is on top of the world when every housewife watches a young Gretzky on the mega popular soap opera young and restless. I believe Wayne was a Mobster brought in from Chicago or some other big city to take care of business. Then there’s the Dave Semenko exhibition bout in Edmonton against the greatest fighter Muhammad Ali. Ali was also the most popular sports figure in the World and right up there with the Pope-Beatles.

rev.hans

Ali. That man was worthy of hero worship. Likely more worthy than either the Pope or the Beatles. The loss of his mind to head injury is tragic.

Reja

Semenko was a legend in Edmonton I miss that man. My friend went to the match he said the crowd was unlike any sporting event he witnessed. Ali was 41 I believe Semenko tagged Ali once and received a bleeding nose in return. The decay of Ali mind was a sad thing to witness even from afar.

Col Mustard

Re: Expansion to Houston

Enjoy the next couple of seasons of 97 and 29, Oiler fans. In the not-too-distant future the NHL will be 33, then 34, then 36 teams. Stanley Cups will be a once-in-a-lifetime event if you’re lucky, and even making the Conference Finals will be an enormous accomplishment.

The greatest successes of Edmonton Oilers have already happened. It doesn’t mean that the team can’t or won’t still win a Stanley Cup, but 5 in 7 years is a dream of our youth never to be repeated.

One silver lining is the fact that hockey in the Southern U.S. and elsewhere creates incredible employment opportunities for Canadians – players, coaches, writers … it’s how the world soaks up Canadian culture. Learn to play hockey on outdoor rinks in Edmonton, share that rare experience with hockey lovers from Oslo to Oklahoma to Osaka.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

even making the Conference Finals will be an enormous accomplishment.

Pennants!

Bar_Qu

Yet another “the sky is falling” post, this time based on a team that hasn’t even been announced yet.

I will enjoy the here and now, hoping for a killer season by the best 1-2 punch in the league. Tomorrow is not promised to anyone, as I am learning to my sorrow much more often as I grow old. Tomorrow can worry about itself.

Col Mustard

The sky is not falling.

But enjoy an Oilers’ cup run due to its scarcity.

It’ll be hard to climb the mountain in a 40 team league.

Bar_Qu

Its hard enough in a 32 team league. Fair point.

OriginalPouzar

Wait until they expand to Europe – its going to happen.

Scungilli Slushy

I do think that they will try it, but it is very unlikely to be good and won’t last in the long run. They are so focused on money, but selling sport isn’t the same as selling hard goods, where more market is a legitimate way to increase revenue

They are in the entertainment industry, and are already the most diluted NA pro league, planning for more. They are trying to cut into the Olympics’ business probably

Oddly the last think they seem to want to do is make the current product and delivery better and gain some local fans