Department of Youth 2010-2021

by Lowetide
Kailer Yamamoto photo by Mark Williams

The Oilers are producing NHL talent in Bakersfield, something that shouldn’t be considered unusual but runs out of time with the team’s own past. If two NHL players per draft is considered success, then how many NHL players per season should an AHL team produce?

Assuming one player jumps from junior to the NHL and misses junior every couple of years, that would mean fans should expect 1.5 NHL players produced per AHL campaign. How have the Oilers looked since 2010?

THE ATHLETIC!

BARONS 2010-11 ROOKIES

  1. LC Teemu Hartikainen 66GP, 17-25-42 [52 NHL games]
  2. F Milan Kytnar 78GP, 13-16-29 [1]
  3. RD Jeff Petry 41GP, 7-17-24 [756]
  4. L Phil Cornet 60GP, 7-16-23 [2]
  5. RC Mark Arcobello 26GP, 11-11-22 [139]
  6. LC Chris VandeVelde 67GP, 12-4-16 [278]
  7. RD Colten Teubert 20GP, 2-5-7 [24]

If we’re looking for 1.5 NHL players, I think we have to allow for one ‘very good’ player to cover the bet. Jeff Petry is such a player. Chris VandeVelde are the keepers spent extended time as a fourth-line center. Fringe players were Arcobello and Hartikainen. Petry makes it a winner. SURVEY SAYS: PASSING GRADE.

BARONS 2011-12 ROOKIES

  1. L Hunter Tremblay 68GP, 16-15-31
  2. R Tyler Pitlick 62GP, 7-16-23 [303 NHL games]
  3. RC Tanner House 68GP, 8-12-20
  4. R Antti Tyrvainen 55GP, 6-13-19
  5. L Curtis Hamilton 41GP, 5-6-11 [1]
  6. RD Kirill Tulupov 33GP, 1-7-8
  7. R Cameron Abney 14GP, 0-0-0

Pitlick is the success story here, and he’s a better player than VandeVelde. I think a passing grade can be just one player, but that player would need to have filled a primary (top two lines, top two pairs, starting goalie, No. 3 center) position. Pitlick isn’t that player. SURVEY SAYS: CLEAR FAIL.

BARONS 2012-13 ROOKIES

  1. RD Justin Schultz 34GP, 18-30-48 [548 NHL games]
  2. L Toni Rajala 46GP, 17-28-45
  3. LD Martin Marincin 69GP, 7-23-30 [227]
  4. RD Taylor Fedun 70GP, 8-19-27 [127]
  5. LC Anton Lander 47GP, 9-11-20 [215]
  6. LC Ryan Martindale 41GP, 6-8-14
  7. LC CJ Stretch 17GP, 5-3-8
  8. L Kristians Pelss 20GP, 1-7-8
  9. LD Brandon Davidson 26GP, 2-3-5 [180]

This was the lockout year, Schultz may not have been in Oklahoma City in a normal year. Still, Todd Nelson was a fine coach for this team, so we’ll credit him for one actual NHL player and four fringe players (four .5’s) as a bonus. Brandon Davidson could have been a player, he was a better defender than most gave him credit for in Edmonton. SURVEY SAYS: PASSING GRADE.

BARONS 2013-14 ROOKIES

  1. CR Andrew Miller 52GP, 8-26-34 [15 NHL games]
  2. LD Martin Gernat 57GP, 4-17-21
  3. LC Austin Fyten 47GP, 7-13-20
  4. LD David Musil 61GP, 2-10-12 [4]
  5. LC Travis Ewanyk 68GP, 7-5-12
  6. LD Oscar Klefbom 48GP, 1-9-10 [378]
  7. L Kale Kessy 54GP, 2-4-6

Klefbom was a quality pick and gave the Oilers several good seasons, including a strong performance in 2017’s playoffs. That ping on his goal from the point remains a favourite memory. Miss him. He covers the entire bet using the Petry rule. SURVEY SAYS: NARROW PASSING GRADE.

BARONS 2014-15 ROOKIES

  1. C Bogdan Yakimov 57GP, 12-16-28 [1 NHL game]
  2. LD Jordan Oesterle 65GP, 8-17-25 [258]
  3. L Josh Winquist 46GP, 8-11-19
  4. LD Dillon Simpson 71GP, 3-14-17 [3]
  5. F Kellen Jones 49GP, 5-10-15
  6. LC Connor Jones 41GP, 4-6-10
  7. LC Jujhar Khaira 51GP, 4-6-10 [271]
  8. L Mitchell Moroz 66GP, 5-4-9
  9. RD CJ Ludwig 28GP, 1-4-5
  10. G Laurent Brossoit 53GP, 2.56 .918 [87]

Three solid players (Oesterle, Khaira, Brossoit) who haven’t delivered in primary roles, but have played an extended number of seasons in the NHL. Is that enough? Would you trade those three pieces for Petry, Schultz or Klefbom? SURVEY SAYS: NARROW FAIL.

CONDORS 2015-16 ROOKIES

  1. L Joey Laleggia 63, 8-19-27
  2. L Anton Slepyshev 49, 13-8-21 [102 NHL games]
  3. LC Marco Roy 42, 8-12-20
  4. RC Kyle Platzer 48, 6-11-17
  5. R Greg Chase 19, 1-6-7
  6. L Braden Christoffer 33, 1-4-5
  7. LD Ben Betker 14, 0-2-2
  8. G Eetu Laurikainen 18, 3.42 .907

Slepyshev was the only player who made the grade, but I believe the Oilers had a player in Roy and passed over him inexplicably. Laleggia was also intriguing. SURVEY SAYS: CLEAR FAIL.

CONDORS 2016-17 ROOKIES

  1. R Jesse Puljujarvi 39, 12-16-28 [213 NHL games]
  2. R Patrick Russell 68, 8-9-17 [59]
  3. G Nick Ellis 34, 2.69 .918

Puljujarvi, like Petry and the other defensemen, is likely to be a significant player for a long time. One of Edmonton’s few truly talented forwards who played in the AHL this decade. SURVEY SAYS: PASSING GRADE.

CONDORS 2017-18 ROOKIES

  1. L Joe Gambardella 50, 13-6-19 [15 NHL games]
  2. RD Ethan Bear 37, 6-12-18 [148]
  3. LD Caleb Jones 58, 2-15-17 [96]
  4. RD Ryan Mantha 41, 3-7-10

Bear and Jones are likely to have careers long enough to be considered NHL players, as opposed to fringe types. Oilers scouts really did have a great draft in 2015. SURVEY SAYS: PASSING GRADE

CONDORS 2018-19 ROOKIES

  1. L Tyler Benson 68, 15-51-66 [15 NHL games]
  2. RC Cooper Marody 58, 19-45-64 [6]
  3. RD Logan Day 64, 7-27-34
  4. R Cam Hebig 64, 11-18-29
  5. LD William Lagesson 67, 8-19-27 [28]
  6. R Kailer Yamamoto 27, 10-8-18 [124]
  7. RC Tyler Vesel 61, 5-13-18
  8. L Nolan Vesey 17, 0-3-3
  9. G Shane Starrett 42, 2.33 .918
  10. G Dylan Wells 12, 2.84 .909

Yamamoto seems poised to clear the bar but after that there are three men who are still finding their way and may land in the fringe aisles. SURVEY SAYS: PASSING GRADE EVEN IN EARLY RETURNS.

CONDORS 2019-20 ROOKIES

  1. RD Evan Bouchard 54, 7-29-36 [40 NHL games]
  2. LC Ryan McLeod 56, 5-18-23 [21]
  3. R Kirill Maksimov 53, 5-8-13
  4. L Ryan Kuffner 36, 6-5-11
  5. LD Dmitri Samorukov 47, 2-8-10
  6. G Stuart Skinner 41, 3.31 .892 [ 7]

This has a chance to be a strong season, with Bouchard and McLeod added to Skinner. Among the recent seasons this one looks the most encouraging based on recent events. SURVEY SAYS: TOO SOON TO KNOW.

CONDORS ROOKIES 2020-21

  1. L James Hamblin 38, 7-8-15
  2. RD Vincent Desharnais 37, 0-10-10
  3. LD Yanni Kaldis 28, 0-7-7
  4. LD Markus Niemelainen 21, 2-4-6
  5. L Ostap Safin 22, 4-2-6

No NHL games from this group yet but there are some promising players. Markus Niemelainen would appear to be the best hope for NHL games from here. Ostap Safin is intriguing but there’s no enough consistency to project him to a higher level. Hamblin and Deslauriers are candidates for NHL contracts, don’t know if they’ll arrive. SURVEY SAYS: TOO SOON TO KNOW.

CONDORS ROOKIES 2021-22

  1. LD Philip Broberg 13, 0-10-10
  2. L Graham McPhee 10, 2-1-3
  3. R Raphael Lavoie 13, 0-3-3
  4. RD Mike Kesselring 10, 1-1-2
  5. RD Phil Kemp 7, 0-1-1
  6. G Olivier Rodrigue 6, 3.41 .853

Philip Broberg has the look of Petry and Klefbom, a player who can singlehandedly carry a rookie season to a passing grade. After that, there are some interesting players. I remain on the Lavoie train and an pleased the young man is with the Condors current staff. Whatever improvements need to be made, there’s a confidence rational people have identified the course forward from here. That’s a big damned deal with young people.

Kesselring and Kemp get placed together but are in no way similar, I’d say Kemp has the better chance to play in the NHL with Kesselring having the higher ceiling. If I had to protect one in an expansion draft, it would be Kesselring. Rodrigue doesn’t seem to be making an impact but goalies can surprise you (see Skinner, Stuart).

If I’m betting on players having 100+ NHL games, Broberg is obviously a checkmark but we simply don’t know beyond the big Swedish defender. SURVEY SAYS: TOO SOON TO KNOW.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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jp

LT, just reading your latest Athletic article.

You may recall the buzz created when Dylan Larkin began his NHL career in Detroit age 18. He was the first teenager to play opening night for the winged wheel since Jiri Fischer in 1999-2000.

My goodness, that’s remarkable.

childishzamboni

I am going to be critical of the Oilers, I just can’t hold on to it anymore.

My philosophy professor always taught the class to be charitable to an opposing point of view when criticizing. It was excellent advice that has served me well so I will try my best.

Additionally, I don’t watch all the Oilers games and I don’t keep up on statistics very well. On the other hand, I think it’s okay to have an opinion on something even if most of the other individuals in the room are smarter than you are. Here it goes…

First some positives:

The Oilers have had excellent special teams for a while now.
The quality of players has gotten much better. It’s not just McDavid and Draisaitl anymore.
Some excellent work has been done drafting and developing players.
The list of achievements could go on and on.

The criticism:

Unfortunately, with all of the great things happening, I have never once felt that the Oilers have ever been able to play a solid defensive game or “playoff style hockey” with any consistency over the recent years. It doesn’t appear to even be attempted anymore. (ouch, pretty cynical) I think the 5 v 5 stats have never really been that good, but I could be wrong.

Back to the positive:

I keep thinking the Oilers have some genius master plan to change the game of hockey. Steph Curry did it in basketball, why not Connor McDavid in hockey? This thought really intrigues me by the way – I know it’s crazy.

I love watching Connor, Leon and all the players on the team. The record chasing is fun, the games are exciting, the offensive creativity is stunning.

I heard Kris Russell in chasing a record for blocked shots. If that isn’t commitment to something, then I don’t know what is.

82 games of this? We are the most fortunate fans in the NHL.

As for the playoffs, I wish us well and hope that we can get prepared one of these years.

OR

Complete the genius master plan to change the game of hockey. With a simple mind like mine, one can rationalize almost anything.

Have a good evening community, thanks for getting through this. :))))

OriginalPouzar

Bourgault with a goal as Shawinigan is up 4-2 after two periods.

Tulio with an assist as Oshawa is tied at 3 early in the third period.

Thomas Mazura managed no points, one shot, 0-4 on the faceoff and -2 in a 7-4 win.

ChupaCabra

So you’re saying Mazura isn’t the solution for our fourth line woes?!?

€√¥£€^$

Hold your horses Orgasmo, he won’t come into view for 3 or 4 years, he’s always been a project.

OriginalPouzar

Oh ya, and Petrov with a goal and assist in a 5-2 win. Assist was on an empty netter but, against, he’s out there protecting leads. 4 shots.

OriginalPouzar

Tulio adds a 2nd assist on the OT winner.

Harpers Hair

Ovechkin with a hat trick.
Now 18 goals on the season.

OriginalPouzar

I’m not positive what Ovi is doing at 36 is not just as impressive as what Drai has done to this point – goodness.

Harpers Hair

Man on a mission.

Randle McMurphy

One trick pony, But What a Trick!

Harpers Hair

18G 18A 36P

EVP:
Ovechkin 26
Draisaitl 23
McDavid 18

It would seem Ovi is not the one trick pony.

ChupaCabra

Oh my sweet god. This is not the first post of yours that has made me orgasm.

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ChupaCabra

For you, maybe.

Randle McMurphy

Reverse psychopathy.

Harpers Hair

I guess a reach around can take many forms.

Randle McMurphy

Harpers Fairy
Fairly Hairy
Dirty Fairy
Dirt Hairy
Dirty Hairy

Dirty Hair(y)

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Harpers Hair

Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) Tweeted:
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And they may end up looking like good deals for the networks.

https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1464364488489119753?s=20

Reja

Nice to see the Jets losing they just can’t find the right ingredients to go to the next level.

Marc

Spec noted in a recent piece that Broberg looks a lot like Bouwmeester. That’s…actually a really good comp stylistically. Obviously a very small sample size but he does look a lot like him out there. Broberg seems to put the puck on net more than Bouwmeester did though.

The ingredients of a very, very useful hockey player are there…

godot10

Broberg has yet to go full Niedermayer. Bouwmeester didn’t have offensive instincts. He was a minute munching defender with great mobility. Broberg will eventually show us his get up and go.

Randle McMurphy

Broberg looks McDreamy.

Or so I’m told.

OriginalPouzar

Lines per Stauffer:

Hyman-McDavid-Kassian
RNH-Draisaitl-Yamamoto 
Foegele-McLeod-Puljujarvi 
Benson-Ryan-Sceviour
Perlini-Turris

Russell-Barrie
Broberg-Ceci
Lagesson-Bouchard
(No Keith)

Skinner
Koskinen

Nice to see Skinner probably getting the start.

Nice to see McDavid and Drai split against a deeper team.

For now, I’m OK worth the Kass/Jesse deployment as it helps strengthen the 3rd line which is important.

This is a solid “spread out” forward group.

That D group worked last game. I know there was wobble late but the Oilers dominated 5 on 5 play for most of the game.

leadfarmer

Just switch foggy and Nuge and we’re cooking

flyfish1168

Knights are a heavier team. Our dmen are a bit soft and small. I hope we will be OK.

OriginalPouzar

Only Barrie and Russell.

Neither of Bouchard, Broberg, Ceci nor Lagesson are small (or soft really) – Broberg maybe as he’s still getting stronger.

Redbird62

Kris Russell may be small, (actually quite small – 2nd lightest D in the league after Spurgeon and same as Girard 170 lbs.) but it is flat out wrong and insulting to call him soft. He sacrifices his body to block shots and over the last 2 season he has more hits per 60 on the Oilers than Bouchard, Jones, Bear, Koekkoek, Keith, Barrie and Broberg. He sits at just under 4 hits per 60 which is right at 50 percentile for NHL defenseman. He is also willing to take a hit to make a play. His game has flaws but he plays with more intestinal fortitude than most NHL players.

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who

Agreed.
Russell plays the game harder than any Oiler dman not named Nurse.
I would definitely place Bouchard on the soft side of the ledger.
Tomorrow night will be a stiff test for this defense.

flyfish1168

He has stopped more shots than many goalies

Randle McMurphy

Hyman-McDavid-Kassian
RNH-Draisaitl-Yamamoto 
Foegele-McLeod-Puljujarvi 
Benson-Ryan-Sceviour

Grace’s lips are getting thicker !

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theDjdj

While were reminiscing, could Leon Draisaitl be the greatest draft decision in Oilers history? McDavid wasn’t a decision and the circumstances around Gretzky will preclude him from the convo too.

Redbird62

Messier was a pretty decent draft pick in his day chosen 48th overall. I don’t think his accomplishments need to be listed.

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theDjdj

Yeah Messier was a great pick obviously. But that entry draft was something else given the WHA thing and the rule changes to make a super draft. Not sure if its fair to compare that draft to other years. But then again 47 other players were picked ahead of him.

Reja

Andy Moog 7th round. I never get tired of him stoning the mighty Habs 2nd best goaltending performance next to Tretiak New Year’s Eve game at the old Forum.

Admiral Ackbar

Mark Messier take in the 3rd round has to take the cake. This still doesn’t compare to the Wings taking Zetterberg, Dats, and Franzen in like the 15th round. Man they were draft kings for so long.

theDjdj

Holland is a savvy manager. He might draw some criticism from the analytical crowd but there is no doubt he was way ahead of the curve in exploiting inefficiencies in the League. Even while at the Oilers he’s managed to turn up a handful of useful or potentially useful Euros from almost nowhere.

OriginalPouzar

Glen Anderson in the 4th round.
Jari Kurri in the 4th round.
Esa Tikkanen i the 4th round.
Jaroslav Pouzar in the 4th round.

Victoria Oil

One of these things is not like the others.

OriginalPouzar

Well, really, two of them are not like the others (and one of those two is not like the other)…. ha!

PinkSocks

Great as always LT. One minor quibble RE: Marco Roy. He and the new Lucic, Mitch Moroz, both played here for the ECHL team in Boise the last pre-covid year. Moroz was funny to watch, big guy who couldn’t skate and fought almost every game. He lost every fight. Remarkable, but I digress.

Marco Roy put up points and was fancy with the puck on his stick, but offered nothing else. His skating was atrocious which is probably what kept him from getting anywhere. Not sure if there was an injury involved at some point with him, but the skating style was so awkward and his speed was below ECHL average.

Victoria Oil

I agree that it’s difficult to place too much blame on the Oilers for Roy not panning out. He scored just 30 points in 100 AHL games. In the ECHL, he was just under a point a game. Now playing in Austria. If there was a player there, he would have announced himself post-Oilers.

UnjustEnrichment

Is Connor McDavid hockey’s reincarnation of F. Scott Fitzgerald’s The Great Gatsby?

godot10

No. McDavid is NOT Gatsby.

theDjdj

he’s the hockey reincarnation of the Zarathustra from Thus Spake Zarathustra

theDjdj

or maybe Draisaitl is Zarathustra given the German connection. McDavid is the Sea from the Old Man and the Sea.

Randle McMurphy

The Sea 🙂 Well done!

Randle McMurphy

I’m a Zarathustra booster.

chrisco stu

McDavid is clearly Tom Joad. Yearning for clean air while The Man tries to keep him trampled under foot.

kgogshig

He’s the Count of Monte Cristo, wrongfully imprisoned in Bettman’s NHL, he will spend 10 years secretly honing his craft and will one day escape from.Bettman jail and find the gold and reclaim his true love.

Randle McMurphy

Well done all.

Ain’t literature grand.

Reja

Big game tomorrow I wonder who gets the start? Any word on Keith if it’s his back and if he hits LTIR Holland might be doing some early Christmas shopping in the D aisle.

jp

Just a guess, but they haven’t called anyone up yet (I don’t think) so probably Keith is expected back soon.

Who starts I have no idea. I’d go with Koskinen myself, but I can understand arguments either way.

ArmchairGM

Keith is “day-to-day”, highly unlikely he goes to LTIR.

OriginalPouzar

LTIR? That would mean he’s out for a min of 10 games or 24 days. He’s not even on regular IR at this point.

I don’t see that happening.

The only actual info I’ve heard is from T. Gazolla who said he heard its a rib.

kgogshig

Based on his last shift…I’m guessing a cracked rib…he probably assumed it was bruised but maybe something shifted when making that pass…Keith looks like a guy who wears super shitty 80s shoulder pads.

jp

He’s probably not day to day with a broken rib. More likely a strain/pull kinda thing, which would also make sense on the play.

Randle McMurphy

No matter how poor our drafting, I never cry. Some prospects turn out to be a teenage lament, while others hit the NHL like a house on fire.

The question is, in 5 years, how you gonna see me now. After I’m 18 it’s no more mr. nice guy; It’s either million dollar babies ( Conner and Leo ) , or welcome to my nightmare (Yakity Yak). Those in between are just caught in a dream

On the rare occasion, a prospect like Skinner spends a few years lost in America and then all of sudden he’s back, the man behind the mask.

When we draft well it’s hello hooray, when we don’t it’s hey stoopid.

A bakers dozen, can you count them?

#SonOfAPreacherMan

#NotDustyArethaorJanice

Last edited 2 years ago by Randle McMurphy
Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Huh?

Randle McMurphy

Asking 4 more?

Some folks think it’s only my heart talkin.

Loves a loaded gun, not a wind up toy.

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Munny 2.0

1. ‘Rather than parading a host of dummies laid out by the swift punches of scare quotes, each carefully collected word bleeds into the body of its own mixed metaphor.’

2. It’s “Janis.” Dude, that’s like saying The Eagles, lol

3. The best version of Preacher Man, and it’s #NotDustyArethaorJanis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkN5sBoeA6Q

Bruce McCurdy

…or The Ice District. An absolute no-no

ArmchairGM

Hugh Janis?

Randle McMurphy

Big Bum?

Randle McMurphy

you get all 3 stars Munny. Well done!

Tarkus

Well done, good sir.

Randle McMurphy

All it takes is one. 🙂 Thank you Tarkus.

lenko

The whole baker’s field of them!

Randle McMurphy

Or two. Well done lenko !

Randle McMurphy

How much cap space do we have to work with at the deadline?

OriginalPouzar

The Oilers have been in LTIR all season, and will be in LTIR for the remainder of the season. That means they have accrued zero cap space on any day which they can bank (as they are over their adjusted cap accrual threshold).

The Oilers receive LTIR reserves which allows them to go over the $81.5M cap by the amount of those reserves.

They are currently $1.075M below their artificially inflated cap so can add that much to their cap.

If they had the same roster/IR/LTIR situation at the deadline, they’d be able to add a $1.075M player (well, plus any cap that’s removed from the roster).

Right now, they have three players on regular IR so are, essentially, running a 26-man roster for the cap.

If they were fully healthy (except the LTIR crowd), they’d drop 3 players and have apx $3M more cap space (depending on who is re-assigned).

jp

So today they should have about $4M, plus any players out (or assigned) due to a trade.

Of the LTIR crowd, I guess we should expect Mike Smith to eventually return (the others are unlikely to play this year).

So if Smith does return, replacing Skinner on the roster, the Oilers would/should have about $2.5M in space.

I think this is the most likely scenario as of today (trades aside). Sound fair?

OriginalPouzar

Potentially but, realistically, will we ever not have a couple of players banged up an on regular IR? We have three right now and that’s not including Keith or the 4 players on LTIR.

jp

That’s true, but those players *could* be put on LTIR to allow for deadline moves. Or the team could run a player or two short of 23 for a bit.

It would absolutely be inconvenient, and you might be without a player for longer than you want, but I think it would be worth it to allow for an extra addition or two at the deadline.

31saves

Would it be possible for the oilers to acquire a player, add them to the LTIR and essentially boost their cap space?
Say Shea Weber from MTL, immediately on the LTIR and we could add a 7m player?

Apologies if it’s a dumb question, students are crazy on a Friday afternoon and my brain is coffee deprived

OriginalPouzar

Its not a dumb question and many probably think that is do-able but, it isn’t – unless one is acquiring a player that is out for the regular season but could be back for the playoffs, when there is no cap (I think the Leafs did this last season).

If the Oilers acquire a $5M player that is out for the season (and playoffs) – sure that increases their LTIR reserves (and artificial cap) by $5M but it also increases their cap hit by $5M – they are using the cap space with that player.

jp

I’m confused OP. Can’t a team do what 31saves is suggesting?

Vegas is using some of Eichel’s LTIR space for roster players right now.

If a team acquired Weber and put him on LTIR why couldn’t they use the increased cap to add another player?

OriginalPouzar

and Vegas is going to need to make room on their cap when Eichel comes back.

If the Oilers acquired Eichel on LTIR they would increase their cap space by $10MM but will have also added $10MM in cap hit.

jp

Right, but if the player isn’t coming back it is a viable option. As with the Shea Weber example 31saves used (most likely not returning).

So the answer to the original question is yes, so long as the LTIR player isn’t returning before the playoffs. Or am I still missing something?

OriginalPouzar

Kind of – its only a viable option if the player isn’t coming back for the regular season but is coming back for the playoffs – it doesn’t open up cap space during the regular season for a team that is already in LTIR – it will increase their LTIR reserves but it will also increase their cap hit by the same amount.

The Oilers could acquire Shea Weber right now and put him in LTIR but it wouldn’t increase cap space for other acquisitions.

jp

Ah, I understand now. Vegas is NOT using Eichel’s cap for other players. They must have been $5-6M under their accrual limit when they acquired him. Thanks.

Randle McMurphy

Great back and forth. Thank you all.

Randle McMurphy

So my take away is

Minimum $1.075m

Bury Turris adds $1.075

So $2.15m plus any salary going the other way. Say someone like Perlini of Lagesson.

So 2.15m + 750k = $2.9m in cap space

So we can realistically look to bring in a $3m player without giving up any significant roster players

On top of this, we cold give away draft picks to get the other team to retain salary.

Randle McMurphy

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Last edited 2 years ago by Randle McMurphy
buck yoakam

so lets do this to McD twice…first loser Manning then Giordano?…lets not…thanks!

Munny 2.0

I’m not sure why Konovalov isn’t counted as a rookie this year. I’m guessing the blog head office Wayne Gretzkyed him?

theDjdj

or maybe Lowetide is trying to right the injustices faced by McDavid, C. in his rookie year when he was beaten by a 25yo Russian veteran.

Ryan

What’s going on with Grubauer?

Seattle’s supposed to have cadre of “Rickibox” defensemen.

16 games is decent segment for a goalie.

.890 SV?

jp

Dreidger (and Dacord) too, in limited minutes. Definitely a surprise.

meanashell11

They are just setting up to weaponize their cap space…….

PennersPancakes

Seattles burning him into the ground. He has played in 16 of their 19 games which is on pace for 69 GP.

All three goalies are suffering, the Kraken are not a good hockey team and have no reinforcements coming.

Even then… they might pass the Canucks today.

innercitysmytty

They had a guest from Sportlogiq on the NHL Network yesterday and he was saying their data shows that Seattle has very good team defense metrics and it is pretty much on the goalies.

jp

Wow, the public data shows that as well (hadn’t looked).

2nd fewest SA/60
Fewest scoring chances against
Tied for fewest scoring chances against
31st in GA/60

= mostly goalie.

leadfarmer

How much of that is chasing the game?

jp

Good question, and that could be some of it.

None of the other crap teams are showing up at the top of those lists though.

pts2pndr

The HH curse! It knows no bounds!😉

ArmchairGM

Random stats time. In the past 82 regular season games, here are the scoring totals for select Oilers players:

McDavid: 81, 50-101-151
Draisaitl: 82, 57-78-135
(the only other player in the league over 89 points is Marchand with 103)
Nugent-Hopkins: 78, 21-44-65
Barrie: 80, 11-50-61
Nurse: 79, 16-38-54
Hyman: 67, 24-24-48
Puljujarvi: 74, 21-19-40
Yamamoto: 77, 14-17-31
Foegele: 80, 14-16-30
Keith: 79, 6-20-26
Ceci: 74, 5-18-23

ArmchairGM

More random stats (plus small sample sizes this time) – top prospect NHLe based on Dobber’s calculator.

Savoie: 82, 33-24-57
Tullio: 82, 9-32-41
Bourgault: 82, 20-20-40
Petrov: 82, 20-20-40
Broberg: 82, 0-31-31

From here it certainly looks like Holland / Wright have found some real gems in the later rounds. I think this group is where our Cup winning depth comes from over the next 10+ years. A few of these guys hitting (plus Holloway) is going to give this team balance and strength at every position and throughout the lineup.

jp

Early returns on Savoie, Tullio and Petrov are incredible. From draft slots 100, 126 and 180. A+

Munny 2.0

Yes, that’s a beautiful trio coming from that deep in the draft.

jp

In the past 82 regular season games, here are the scoring totals for select Oilers players:

A ‘minor’ addition:
Bouchard 33-4-11-15
Which projects quite nicely over 82 games.

ArmchairGM

Yes, quite. I had projected him to match Dougie Hamilton’s first full season (25 points in 64 games) but he’s going straight to Hamilton’s second season (42 points in 72 games). Music!

jp

So far so good!

Was just looking at how Bouch would stack up against other rookies (if the rules made sense and he were classified a rookie).

He’d be:
Tied for 6th in points (all players)
Tied for 2nd among D (with Drysdale, 3 points back of Seider)
2nd in TOI/game
Top 10 (tied for 7th) in +/-

Raymond and Seider are certainly the Calder front runners but Bouchard is having a real nice season.

Also, shout out to SwedishPoster who IIRC was very high on Raymond.

OriginalPouzar

Although I think he has a couple powerplay points, Bouch’s numbers are impressive when considering how little PP time he’s had and how he is projected to be a high end PP talent.

innercitysmytty

Marco Roy had a decent junior career and a good AHL season that year. Given how he has performed in the seasons since, I’m not sure how you can say the Oilers had a player there. It seems they made the right call based on his career progression or lack thereof.

Amadeus

Could have drafted William Carrier or Tyler Bertuzzi instead. They went right after him. Oh hindsight…

Ryan

Bertuzzi’s certainly an anomaly. Half a point per game guy in his OHL draft year that’s now a significant offensive contributor at the NHL level. That’s great scouting not a math pick.

Carrier had way better draft -1 stats than Roy, but similar in his draft year.

Certainly from a math perspective, it would seem intuitive that players who also had success in their draft -1, presumably would be less risky?

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Bruce McCurdy

…or the other guy was showing faster progress

pts2pndr

Maybe it is like betting the ponies. Scout says I recognize the name why not give this Bertuzzi kid a try!🙈

OriginalPouzar

Skyler Brind’amour style?

Oil2Oilers

Woodcroft and Manson have become a bit of a defense factory. I hope they can start to kick out the jams with forwards in the next few years too. So far they have been limited by raw material, but Holloway, Bourg, Petrov, Savoie and even Lavoie provide them some raw talent to work with.

But will the coaches move on to greener pastures before the seeds grow?

fishman

Agreed that coaching staff has been great. Have to think at some point the NHL comes calling. I wonder if either moves up to the Oilers??? Having a strong AHL program obviously matters. Took Oilers a long time to figure out!

OriginalPouzar

Yes, the AHL team has had some higher projected D prospects to work with (most notably, Bouchard and Broberg) than the forwards but they have also had early success with Niemelainen (3rd round pick) and Samorukov (3rd round pick).

They haven’t had the high end (top round) forwards to develop but, from the current crop, Lavoie (high 2nd rounder) has arrows down and Maksimov (4th rounder I believe) and Safin (5th rounder I believe) are no longer in consideration.

Bulging Twine

And of course when Holloway joins that’ll help the rookie odds

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Offside

I would be comfortable giving 2019/20 a passing grade based on Bouchard alone. But I get why you’d be more cautious in making that call

jp

I was thinking the same, we’ve seen enough!! 😉

19-20 has a chance to be a big year/crop – potential for 4 NHL players.

OriginalPouzar

Its notable (to me) that both Smith and Dobson, who were lauded by some as being better than Bouchard due to playing in the NHL first, have both been in the healthy scratch conversation this year.

Perhaps the Oilers organization has indeed developed this d-man prospect well, including partial games last season.

OriginalPouzar

Condors may never play again – this after a few games against Abbotsford postponed:

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Due to a malfunction of the ice-making equipment in Ontario, tonight’s game has been postponed to a later date yet to be announced.