And the answer, of course, is Patrick Russell

The Edmonton Oilers iced an outmanned team in Vancouver last night, in a way you can see how things are going from games where the lesser lights are in the deep end.

The Oilers are looking for grinders and puck movers and penalty killers and centers, plus a few more things. They got more answers on the coast, and there are names emerging.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, we are celebrating our 2-year anniversary this week. To mark the occasion, you can get 40% off subscriptions until Sept. 19 here.

  • New Jonathan Willis: Four players who helped, three who hurt their Oilers hopes in Edmonton’s second preseason game
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How an offseason adding more pop in his stick and skates has James Neal primed for first Oilers season
  • Lowetide: A big night for Oilers defencemen Joel Persson, William Lagesson and Evan Bouchard
  • Lowetide: Preseason 2019-20: The Oilers’ journey to respectability begins
  • Lowetide: Handicapping Oilers prospect progress: The development of Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones and William Lagesson
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Eight key questions for the Oilers to solve at training camp
  • Jonathan Willis: Predicting the winners of the Oilers’ top-six and top-nine forward jobs out of camp
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: In, out or on the bubble: Breaking down positional battles at Oilers camp
  • New Lowetide: Evan Bouchard and the Calder Trophy: The Oilers’ pursuit of the elusive rookie award
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Alex Chiasson prepares to return to scoring form for Edmonton Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Kyle Brodziak defied the odds, and then the Oilers, to carve out a significant NHL career
  • Lowetide: Can Mikko Koskinen and Mike Smith stop enough pucks for the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Shutdown success by Darnell Nurse and Adam Larsson is a key for the Oilers in 2019-20.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Even if he’s unsure about his return, Oilers’ Connor McDavid looks and sounds like his old self
  • Lowetide: RE 19-20: How can the Oilers’ bottom six close the gap in goal differential?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Kailer Yamamoto and Tyler Benson address respective highs and lows as Oilers rookie camp begins
  • Jonathan Willis: Riley Sheahan is a prudent signing by the Oilers in more ways than one
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers’ defensive hopes will rest on the new shutdown pair of Darnell Nurse and Adam Larsson
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: With Evan Bouchard as the headliner, here are the players to watch at Oilers rookie camp
  • Lowetide: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and the configuration of the Oilers second line
  • Lowetide: Connor McDavid’s 2019-20: Pushing for 50 goals while Dave Tippett loads up the Oilers’ top line
  • Lowetide: Estimating reasonable expectations for the 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers: A difficult journey
  • Jonathan Willis: How much money will Darnell Nurse make on his next NHL contract?
  • Corey Pronman: Oilers No. 9 farm system.
  • Lowetide: Oilers coach Dave Tippett might have to take drastic action in order to find a second outscoring line in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

NOTES

LINE 1: Tomas Jurco-Cooper Marody-Patrick Russell. They played just 5:22 together, went 9-3 Corsi, 2-0 goals and 1-1 HDSC. All numbers five-on-five via Natural Stat Trick.

Cooper Marody looked tentative early. Poor passing decision on the five-on-three, he was also late for the puck on the forecheck and outlets. Missed opportunity to impress in the first 20. Then, things clicked. He got lucky on the Jurco goal and was flat out brilliant on the Russell tally. His skating was not strong in this game, that’s a concern, but he played well enough to get another game.

Patrick Russell is from Denmark. He is 26. He is coming from a long way back but my goodness there’s a light at the end of the tunnel for him. He had another strong game, scoring and picking up an assist. The goal was a beauty. He works so hard every shift, I know that’s cliche but it’s also true. Turns out, busting your ass is a good thing.

Tomas Jurco scored a nice goal, quick reaction and had a nice assist as well. Based on the other left wing hopefuls in the first two games, his stock is probably rising. He’s a rangy fellow, bigger than I remember. He may make this team as a starter. 3 HDSC to lead the team.

LINE 2: Tyler Benson-Ryan McLeod-Cameron Hebig. A line with plus speed and skill, I was impressed. Played 10:58 together, went 17-3 Corsi, 0-0 goals and 3-0 HDSC. How on earth did McLeod miss that third period chance? Goal post and out. Same as it ever was. Led all lines with nine defensive zone faceoffs.

Tyler Benson had a fine evening, he’s aggressive and anticipates well, plus has creative instincts and can pass the puck. I don’t know if he’s going to make the team, but hes impressive. Had 2 HDSC.

Ryan McLeod’s speed stands out on this Oilers team and you can see why the organization likes him. On the other hand, he needs to post offense, and last night was another example of not cashing. 12-3 faceoffs is terrific. I think he might see the NHL at some point this season.

Cameron Hebig took a high sticking penalty against the phenom Hughes early. He played well showing excellent speed and making good decisions. I like him. He might score 20+ in Bakersfield this season.

LINE 3: Joe Gambardella-Brad Malone-Anthony Peluso. Played 8:58 together, went 10-6 Corsi, 0-1 goals and 0-1 HDSC. They were physical and aggressive on the forecheck.

Joe Gambardella did a nice job on the forecheck, No turnovers but he hurried some outlets. Brad Malone had two shots and a takeaway, and was 11-3 on the dot. Anthony Peluso had a good game, he was irritating the hell out of the Canucks all night. He had five shots.

LINE 4: Markus Granlund-Colby Cave-Josh Currie. Played 6:10 together, 6-5 Corsi, 1-2 shots, 0-1 goals and 0-2 HDSC.

Markus Granlund had two shots but I didn’t see a whole lot from him in this game. Colby Cave had one shot, one HDSC and was 13-4 on the dot. He needs a night like Russell’s to get on the radar offensively. Josh Currie took the early penalty and didn’t show a lot.

PAIRING ONE: Darnell Nurse-Adam Larsson. Duo went 22-9 Corsi in 17:15, 11-5 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-1 HDSC.

Darnell Nurse skated miles as always, he was physical and transported the puck well. The issues (passing, shot from long range five-on-three when a pass was the better option, turnover with an empty net) are the finesse offensive elements that Nurse has to improve in order to make the next level.

Adam Larsson was more involved offensively. Three shots, several solid passes, he looked good to me. Outside speed was an issue once, against a burner, but overall I liked his game.

PAIRING TWO: Dmitri Samorukov-Evan Bouchard. Played 14:48 together, 21-7 Corsi for, 0-1 goals and 1-2 high danger. Both rookies showed flashes, clearly both men are quality.

Dmitri Samorukov showed the full range of his abilities, moving the puck well, passing and a couple of shots. He can close a gap in a heartbeat, is very physical and offers an impressive size/speed combination.

Evan Bouchard continues to impress with his intelligent play. He passed well, defended well, and save for being down a quart in the third period his game was rock solid. A little slow on the Starrett rebound that Pettersson cashed, but rookie blue make mistakes.

PAIRING THREE: Brandon Manning and Ethan Bear spent 14:28 together, 17-13 Corsi for, 9-7 shots, 2-0 goals and 3-2 HDSC. High event evening for the pairing.

Ethan Bear definitely looks faster, made some impressive headman passes and led the rush a few times, too. He’ll get more chances this week, I liked his game but he has to get noticed. That means a goal, great chance, a couple of assists or hammering someone into next week.

Brandon Manning got noticed with a filthy hit on Jake Virtanen. Wow. Wildly unpopular among Oilers fans. Based on results and circumstances, the idea of his being 7D is not outrageous.

Shane Starrett stopped 20 of 23, .870 save percentage.

Shane Starrett had a good first period, he didn’t play the PS well. In the second period, he was money. Gave up two goals, both of the HD variety, the only one he had a chance on was Pettersson (let out a hella rebound).

Looks like Edmonton has a late addition to the training camp roster. Burdasov is 28, 6.02 and 227 and carries an NHLE of 37.7, which compares favorably to Joakim Nygard (32.0) and Gaetan Haas (26.6).

I’m fine with the move, but PTO’s are like a box of chocolates: You never know what you’re going to get and this late in the process all the good ones are probably gone. By the description of Burdasov, he’s a big strong bull of a man with a good shot and lacking elite speed. I keep hoping for another Jaroslav Pouzar, who was a steamroller with a Jofa hat.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning for me, TSN1260 at 10. We have a preseason game and a big Euro winger coming in on a PTO. Ideally, I’d invite Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal to talk about it, and as it turns out his regular spot comes up at 10:20 this morning. Kris Abbott from OddsShark also joins the fun and we’ll chat NFL QB injuries and soccer’s VAR.

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184 Responses to "And the answer, of course, is Patrick Russell"

  1. Alpine says:

    Burdasov’s NHLE over the years is reasonable from what I’ve seen. 40 point range.

  2. Wilde says:

    neat PTO.

    On Russell, I made his statistical profile (as per my tracking + prospect-stats stuff) publicly available recently, and also Gambardella’s https://www.patreon.com/posts/patrick-russell-28760247

    I remember saying this sometime last year and I stand by it – that AHL line of Gamba – Malone – Russell was probably better than the Oilers’ third line at times last year and most of the time was definitely better than the fourth. Those wingers (just like Marody) got pretty rude call-ups imo.

  3. nvan97 says:

    9 defensive zone faceoffs, 12-3 on faceoffs and 17-3 corsi? Yeesh that is a productive night even if they didn’t cash that’s a recipe for success.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    P. Russell has put himself ahead of the likes of Joe G. and Currie for that 14th forward spot. I’m not enthused but he’s outperformed the other two.

    —————————————-

    I had Jurco as a wild card for the top 6 and I believe he earned himself a game with Nuge and Neal – he’s a skilled guy with experience and, from accounts, wants this (as he’s stuck around in North American).

    I think Benson also earned himself a game up there.

    —————————————-

    Bouchard was great through two last night – as always, making the lively offensive and transition plays but not making any of the mistakes. That changed in the third – quite a bit of wobble in the third – one giveaway leading to a minute of pressure and he lost Petersson on his goal (although a bad rebound by Starrett).

    He looked tired and Tippett mentioned the same after the game.

    One of the things “to learn” when turning pro is how to deal with “the grind” – the 82 game schedule is a huge grind as compared to the CHL. Yes, lots of back to backs in the CHL (including some back to back to backs) but there are tons of days off – often they don’t play during the week at all. Further, the ability to “rest on the ice” is gone.

    This is something that the player can adjust to in the AHL.

    ———————————————

    I think Oilers fans should be live to the realistic possibility that Manning is on the opening night roster. I don’t hate this. A perfect player to sit in the press box and, frankly, some wobble in the third last night but generally a good game from him last night and, yes, he can be a serviceable 3rd pairing d-man in the NHL.

    I encourage Oilers fans to look at him with a fresh set of eyes.

    Each of “the three” d-men may start in the AHL, subject to injury, with Persson and Manning on the team.

    They will ALL get their at bats during the year, I’m not concerned.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’d be more excited to see Bouchard or Lagesson or Bear in the NHL and playing but I have a feeling we’ll see:

    Nurse/Larsson
    Klef/Persson
    Russell/Benning

    Manning

  5. Jethro Tull says:

    Hooray, another piranha in the tank that is the bottom six!

    Imagine being cut, then learning a PTO is coming in to try for the position you were just cut from.

    I’d rather see if Paddy Marlow had anything left in the tank.

    We’ve had the Leftorium. Now we’re collecting (sorry, “solidifying”) the bottom six (or seventeen). Any more solidifying and we’ll have a Neutron star. And that’s what comes before a black hole….

  6. Profit says:

    I’d actually be ok with Manning starting off in the NHL as #7, get some at-bats while others percolate in the AHL.

    Maybe Holland can turn that bit of a showcase into a trade? Probably depends on the waiver wire as we head into the season.

  7. teddyturnbuckle says:

    I enjoyed that game last night. The Oilers looked like a scrappy Doug Weight type of team. Jurco looked good, Manning bad.

  8. jp says:

    The Burdasov PTO, and especially the timing, is interesting.

    I thought I read (not sure where) that his agent has been pushing to get him a PTO but Holland hadn’t been interested. If that’s true then maybe they don’t like what they’ve seen from some of the signed players and have had a change of heart. (IF it’s true)

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  10. oilersfan says:

    jp,

    The verbal was the agent wanted a contract but was only offered a PTO

    Looks like Holland got what he wanted

    I wonder how his skating is

  11. jp says:

    oilersfan:
    jp,

    The verbal was the agent wanted a contract but was only offered a PTO

    Looks like Holland got what he wanted

    I wonder how his skating is

    Cool. We’re going to get to see it seems.

  12. Pouzar says:

    Damn…I am rooting for Haas/Nygard…not a lot of spots available.

  13. dustrock says:

    Bouchard wobble in the 3rd but if McLeod cashes that stretch pass it’s all praises, right? 😀

    The thing about Bouchard is that he’s already the best transition passer in our D corpse.

  14. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    P. Russell has put himself ahead of the likes of Joe G. and Currie for that 14th forward spot.I’m not enthused but he’s outperformed the other two.

    Were you enthusiastic about Gambardella and Currie?

  15. Eh Team says:

    dustrock: Bouchard wobble in the 3rd but if McLeod cashes that stretch pass it’s all praises, right?

    You can see the future with McLeod. Lots to like, especially with the skating, but no hands.

  16. iamtaylorsmith says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    “I went to tell my grandchildren that I was not afraid. I went to tell my grandchildren that by the age of 27 I started to follow a diet and realized that high-level hockey does not tolerate anything superfluous. Went to look at McDavid and get out of your comfort zone, and this always makes you understand what you are really worth. Handsome.”

    Amazing.

  17. Pouzar says:

    dustrock: McLeod

    He was a possession demon last night. If he cashes that goal we’d be gushing about his performance.

  18. Pouzar says:

    Eh Team: but no hands.

    This has to die before it starts.

  19. geowal says:

    Eh Team: You can see the future with McLeod.Lots to like, especially with the skating, but no hands.

    He sounds more like Todd Marchant every day. Not a bad thing for a second rounder.

  20. incubo_nero says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Shakespeare at his finest.

    “Burdasov accustomed to the fact that he could ideally throw from the hands that from the far leg, that from the neighbor, that from two, and so we have very few who can, but still one throw is not enough.”

  21. geowal says:

    Pouzar: This has to die before it starts.

    Haha, looks like I’m helping perpetuate it. Maybe better term than no hands would be that he doesn’t seem like a sniper? There’s nothing wrong with his passing and “hands” overall it would seem.

  22. dustrock says:

    Eh Team: You can see the future with McLeod.Lots to like, especially with the skating, but no hands.

    Well, hitting the post is better than a muffin shot into the crest ha ha ha

  23. Pouzar says:

    geowal: Haha, looks like I’m helping perpetuate it. Maybe better term than no hands would be that he doesn’t seem like a sniper? There’s nothing wrong with his passing and “hands” overall it would seem.

    Correct.
    A lot like Nuge. Skilled, pass first, soft hands but not a sniper.
    And No…I’m not saying RM will ever be Nuge in any dept…just comparing skillset.

  24. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    I was just looking at the Oil schedule (as I’m going to the game in Oct, vs NYR).

    – It is crazy compressed: They have 2 games in 9 days after their last pre-season game, then they have 9 games in 18 nights (on-off), with 3 road trips, then their first 2 day break followed by 3 in 4, with a lot of travel (EDM – Det-Columbus), then 8 games in 16 days (on-off again).

    – Only in late November they get 1st 2 weeks in a row with more than a night between games…

    – 28 games: 12 at home and 16 on road in first 60 days, 7 times flying from West to East..

    – I’ve seen sites in the past that do comparative analysis on teams schedule (travel, difficulty, B2B’s, etc), I will try to pull that up, but its an incredible grind.

  25. PinkSocks says:

    Eh Team: You can see the future with McLeod.Lots to like, especially with the skating, but no hands.

    A bigger version of Marchant and Cogliano. Sure would be nice to have a 2nd rounder serve as a 3C for a decade +.

  26. PinkSocks says:

    Could Russell be the Pisani?

  27. GBandQ says:

    iamtaylorsmith,

    “Two steps, a throw, and everyone hugs you. This is not something to be believed, but everything can be.”

    I’m getting this printed and mounted on my wall. #WordsToLiveBy

  28. defmn says:

    //Dmitri Samorukov showed the full range of his abilities, moving the puck well, passing and a couple of shots. He can close a gap in a heartbeat, is very physical and offers an impressive size/speed combination.//

    There were a lot of encouraging signs in the game last night, imo, that have been highlighted here by a lot of posters but for me it was watching Samorukov that put the biggest smile on my face.

    He doesn’t have Bouchard’s shot or passing ability but as the above quote by our host points out he does have “the full range of abilities” that is the calling card of top end players.

    I find that the top end skills of players don’t define their careers so much as the weakest part of their game does as opponents adjust to them and start to exploit those weaknesses. So when I see a guy who can skate, pass, shoot, think quickly and play physically to me that is a guy that is going to make a difference once he adds experience.

  29. Eh Team says:

    Pouzar: Correct.
    A lot like Nuge. Skilled, pass first, soft hands but not a sniper.
    And No…I’m not saying RM will ever be Nuge in any dept…just comparing skillset.

    Yeah, that’s just wrong. Maybe a lot like Nuge except he doesn’t post any points. If you’re not getting points in junior, then there should be no expectations that you will in the NHL. That’s not to say he won’t be a NHL player, but chances that he will be a top 6 forward are really slim.

  30. geowal says:

    Safin and 5 more of the AHL only contingent assigned to the Bake

  31. digger50 says:

    Eh Team: You can see the future with McLeod.Lots to like, especially with the skating, but no hands.

    Great comment, triggered many responses.

    Connor can be the sniper, he just needs a fast give and go man.

    Sure would love to see a third line center emerge, but there might be a fast winger here.

  32. Nit64 says:

    GBandQ:
    iamtaylorsmith,

    “Two steps, a throw, and everyone hugs you. This is not something to be believed, but everything can be.”

    I’m getting this printed and mounted on my wall. #WordsToLiveBy

    With kittens or puppies?

  33. Chico21 says:

    teddyturnbuckle,

    They looked like a scrappy Dave Tippett kind of team.

  34. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    P. Russell has put himself ahead of the likes of Joe G. and Currie for that 14th forward spot.I’m not enthused but he’s outperformed the other two.

    What do you have against Fernando Pisani…er…Patrick Russell?

  35. Wilde says:

    So, this has gotten weird.

    This 16-17 ‘bottom-six’ amalgamation:

    Kassian
    Pouliot
    Slepyshev
    Letestu
    Caggiula
    Hendricks
    Puljujarvi
    Pitlick

    Absolutely demolished the 17-18 (bottom-fiveish) and 18-19 (worst in NHL by far) in converting nst
    s xGF to GF and CF to GF. (rel to rest of league)

    The way I always remembered it was that Letestu&crew had a good GA support his and the team’s 97-off GF% while taking heat in deployment.

    I’m going to go back to 15-16 next, but it’s looking like McLellan may have literally reverse-survivored this team’s bottom-sixes every year he was here, and that’s an area where I think he was legit making calls. Yikes..

  36. GBandQ says:

    Nit64: With kittens or puppies?

    I’ve been told that sloths and llamas are all the rage with the young people.

  37. Munny says:

    Bob Stauffer‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer · 2m2 minutes ago

    Minor tweak at today’s practice.
    Nygard-RNH-Neal
    Gagner-Haas-Chiasson

  38. BONE207 says:

    Nit64: With kittens or puppies?

    I’d say a shot putter.

  39. pts2pndr says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Hooray, another piranha in the tank that is the bottom six!

    Imagine being cut, then learning a PTO is coming in to try for the position you were just cut from.

    I’d rather see if Paddy Marlow had anything left in the tank.

    We’ve had the Leftorium. Now we’re collecting (sorry, “solidifying”) the bottom six (or seventeen). Any more solidifying and we’ll have a Neutron star.And that’s what comes before a black hole….

    Who says they haven’t checked.

  40. BONE207 says:

    Pouzar: Correct.
    A lot like Nuge. Skilled, pass first, soft hands but not a sniper.
    And No…I’m not saying RM will ever be Nuge in any dept…just comparing skillset.

    I wonder if anyone has done any research into things like adapting the lye, curve, length & flex if a stick to a players body & skating style?

    Imagine if a fitting of those could transform a Toby Reider into a Mike Bossy.

    To hell with this dressmaking gig!!! I’m going down to the basement & start experimenting. Jim Corsi, eat your heart out. I’m going to make some $$$.

  41. pts2pndr says:

    Pouzar: This has to die before it starts.

    It was less egregious than Yamamoto missing the tap in, in one of his first exhibition games.

  42. Professor Q says:

    Munny:
    Bob Stauffer‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer · 2m2 minutes ago

    Minor tweak at today’s practice.
    Nygard-RNH-Neal
    Gagner-Haas-Chiasson

    Why does Gagner have shays on?

  43. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Professor Q,

    HA!!!

  44. BONE207 says:

    Munny:
    Bob Stauffer‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer · 2m2 minutes ago

    Minor tweak at today’s practice.
    Nygard-RNH-Neal
    Gagner-Haas-Chiasson

    That last line…

    We could call it: The Haas at the Side of the Road line.
    Not sure on their (there) speed but Ricki would lose his shit if they turn out to be 1-1-1-1-1-G line. 4 rovers & Chris Russell. All lost somewhere up the ice & unable to get back to defend.

  45. JimmyV1965 says:

    digger50: Great comment, triggered many responses.

    Connor can be the sniper, he just needs a fast give and go man.

    Sure would love to see a third line center emerge, but there might be a fast winger here.

    The Oilers are truly blessed. They have two of the top players in the league. Although they are both primarily set-up men, both of them can easily score 40 goals. How many guys are there like this? I just hope the team doesn’t pooch this up. Anyway, my point is that although McDavid and Drai can each score, ideally they each need shooters on their line, not passers.

    PS. Laine would be absolutely filthy on this team. Just imagine the PP.

  46. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Wow, Big Buff is considering retirement. That would crazy.

  47. Professor Q says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Wow, Big Buff is considering retirement. That would crazy.

    I guess the articles about Hockey’s Andrew Luck were focusing too much on McDavid, when the real answer was right before them.

  48. doritogrande says:

    Took a look at Burdasov’s previous counting numbers, they’re middling at best. Not sure what he’s going to accomplish with this PTO but hey, full credit for trying.

    Related: take a look through his Ufa team from last year. It’s a literal murderer’s row of Ex-Oilers. Bet you didn’t know Alexei Semenov was still playing hockey!

  49. defmn says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Wow, Big Buff is considering retirement. That would crazy.

    The timing and amount of the Morrissey contract has to be re-examined in light of this, no?

  50. defmn says:

    doritogrande:
    Took a look at Burdasov’s previous counting numbers, they’re middling at best. Not sure what he’s going to accomplish with this PTO but hey, full credit for trying.

    Related: take a look through his Ufa team from last year. It’s a literal murderer’s row of Ex-Oilers. Bet you didn’t know Alexei Semenov was still playing hockey!

    Favour to Rich Winters I would think.

  51. Ryan says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Wow, Big Buff is considering retirement. That would crazy.

    Funny to read that Winnipeg is on Justin Faulk’s approved trade list!

    We’re not and Winnipeg is.. hmm. Okay no more defending Faulk from me anymore.

  52. geowal says:

    Ryan: Funny to read that Winnipeg is on Justin Faulk’s approved trade list!

    We’re not and Winnipeg is.. hmm. Okay no more defending Faulk from me anymore.

    I for one am happy there’s now seemingly no chance of us trading for Faulk! 😀

  53. Ryan says:

    Munny:
    Bob Stauffer‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer · 2m2 minutes ago

    Minor tweak at today’s practice.
    Nygard-RNH-Neal
    Gagner-Haas-Chiasson

    Gagner-Haas-Chiasson

    Has to be the most expensive fourth line in hockey.

    Like to see Nygard with Nuge, so we get our wish.

  54. HT Joe says:

    I missed the game last night (boo, hiss), but skimmed the comments from last night and this morning. I remain hopeful that we see unicorns at some point:

    XXX – McDavid – Kassian
    XXX – Drai – Chiasson
    XXX – RNH – Neal

    Right? Right!

    Sounds like Tippet wants to give Gagner a chance at LW.
    Sounds like RNH is happy with Khaira, and Khaira has shown promise with Drai in the past.
    Anton Burdasov is apparently invited to a PTO (though he’s a right winger based on a quick Google Search).

    Can Kassian or Chiasson play LW?

    Gagner – McDavid – Kassian
    Chiasson – Drai – Burdasov
    Khaira – RNH – Neal

    I’m squinting hard… could that become a unicorn (or at least a donkey with a horn taped to its head this year)?

    Even if the concept of unicorns on the Oilers is unlikely, so are the playoffs. Unicorns could be lots of fun to watch.

  55. HT Joe says:

    Ryan: Gagner-Haas-Chiasson

    Has to be the most expensive fourth line in hockey.

    What about the line that Lucic is going to play on for the Flames this season? 🙂

  56. McNuge93 says:

    doritogrande:
    Took a look at Burdasov’s previous counting numbers, they’re middling at best. Not sure what he’s going to accomplish with this PTO but hey, full credit for trying.

    Related: take a look through his Ufa team from last year. It’s a literal murderer’s row of Ex-Oilers. Bet you didn’t know Alexei Semenov was still playing hockey!

    Yes and he’s coming to camp already a week behind everyone else. Very low chance he makes it but I guess little downside for the Oilers.

  57. Ryan says:

    defmn: The timing and amount of the Morrissey contract has to be re-examined in light of this, no?

    Chevvy mismanaged the Trouba situation IMO. He basically traded Trouba for a Kevin Hayes rental or what not.

    If Buff retires, I can’t think of a blueline that’s seen that level of personnel loss in recent memory.

    Trouba, Myers, Byfuglien. That’s devastating. They might as well call this a mini-rebuild year and go for a lottery pick.

    They have one top-four defenseman left, Morrissey.

    Many rate Morrissey higher than Nurse, so I think his contract looks pretty good for a number one dman locked in at $6.25 x 8.

  58. Eh Team says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think Oilers fans should be live to the realistic possibility that Manning is on the opening night roster

    The play with Manning is to either try to trade him (very unikely) or waive him and have him picked up (probably still pretty unlikely). If he is the 7th D, then his full salary counts against the cap. I can’t see that happening. I wonder too if Gagner is in the same situation. Especially as more and more options appear as potential forwards making the roster.

    Neither Manning or Gagner will be on the Oilers next year. Both probably looking at PTO’s next fall if they want to try to continue playing in the NHL.

  59. Ryan says:

    HT Joe: What about the line that Lucic is going to play on for the Flames this season?

    That’s fair. 🙂

  60. texmex says:

    Eh Team: If he is the 7th D, then his full salary counts against the cap

    In a round about way, The majority of Manning’s fully salary will count against the cap regardless.

    If he is sent down, he still has a cap hit of 1.175M (or a savings of 1.075M). If for example Jones (or other Rookie) is the 7D, he has a cap hit of 720K meaning the 7D still costs 1.9 (Jones + Manning in the minors).

    Better to have Jones playing in Bako and Manning in the press box.

    EDIT: I think

  61. Ryan says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    https://www.sport-express.ru/hockey/nhl/reviews/rossiyskiy-forvard-anton-burdasov-podpisal-prosmotrovyy-kontrakt-s-edmontonom-1587888/

    This Burdasov PTO article is an adventure to read translated into English.

    There’s some notable quotes to be sure…

    “Edmonton has money, but there are very few driving forwards, which is why Ken Holland is interested in Burdasov. It will prove itself as it should – and will receive a contract for approximately 1.7 million.”

    “Probably, James Neal , quite similar in skills and background to Burdasov, will be registered in the first link. But in the second, the field is not plowed. ”

    “Although Edmonton is a much prettier option. At least because there are enough places in the top 6, unlike the Bruins and Panthers, and the applicants are nothing special.”

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Looks like MacT has Konovalov on the bench for the third straight game.

    In Ligga, two high performing ex-Oilers, J. Jokinen and J. Puljujarvi assist on the OT winner for Karpat.

  63. Gerta Rauss says:

    Ryan: But in the second, the field is not plowed. ”

    Perhaps this has been the problem with this franchise the last 10 years

  64. jp says:

    Incredible that Burdasov played last year with all of:

    Linus Omark
    Teemu Hartikainen
    Phil Larsen
    Vladimir Tkachev
    Alexei Semenov

    No idea what to expect from him, but he should have a pretty good idea about Edmonton.

  65. duct tape and foil says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Looks like MacT has Konovalov on the bench for the third straight game.

    Russian Reporter: comrade MacTovich, in your opinion is Konovalov a legitimate goalie prospect

    MacTovich: if you have to ask the question.

  66. GMB3 says:

    Pouzar: Correct.
    A lot like Nuge. Skilled, pass first, soft hands but not a sniper.
    And No…I’m not saying RM will ever be Nuge in any dept…just comparing skillset.

    Weird because Nuge definitely has an above average shot. 11.8% shooting percentage for the career attests to that. Better than Seguin, similar to James Neal who’s been considered a “sniper” his whole career.

    His only really poor year was the year he tried playing through a torn labrum in his shoulder.

  67. GMB3 says:

    BONE207: I wonder if anyone has done any research into things like adapting the lye, curve, length & flex if a stick to a players body & skating style?

    Imagine if a fitting of those could transform a Toby Reider into a Mike Bossy.

    To hell with this dressmaking gig!!! I’m going down to the basement & start experimenting. Jim Corsi, eat your heart out. I’m going to make some $$$.

    I believe Adam Oates spends a lot of time on that stuff with the guys he trains

  68. Fuhr and Lowething. says:

    Munny:
    Bob Stauffer‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer · 2m2 minutes ago

    Minor tweak at today’s practice.
    Nygard-RNH-Neal
    Gagner-Haas-Chiasson

    I said yesterday that I’d like to see Nygard on McDavid’s LW, with his speed and Kassian’s puck retrieval skills I feel like that could potentially give the other team fits.

    And if it did click, then it frees up Drai to drive the second line as C and Nuge to shred the soft parade. Maybe something like….

    Nygard McD Kass
    Jurco Drai Neal
    Benson Nuge Gagner
    Khaira Sheahan Chiasson

    Wildcards could still be one or more of Granlund, Burdasov, Marody, Haas, etc in for one or more of the other non locks depending on how the rest of camp goes.

  69. gimme shelter says:

    I listened to the first period on CHED. Also read all the comments.After last nights game I would like a practice line of Burdasov– Connor—Jurco. It is hard to break up Drai from Connor but it has to be tried.
    Then put them together for one period in a game and evaluate.If it does not work go back to Drai. I have never seen Burdasov play but I wonder if he is like Brandon Pirri. Brandon got 2 goals and an assist for Vegas.All shooter not so much passer.
    Also everybody speaks highly of Bouchard. He tired out in the 3rd.I wonder if sending him to the Bake will help or deter. Edmonton is so scared right now of putting him in the NHL yet he has the skill.
    I know he made give aways but maybe he should learn in the NHL not AHL.

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    Vincent Desharnais, Luke Esposito, Ostap Safin, Jake Kulevich, Beau Starrett and Nolan Vesey all assigned to AHL.

    No surprises there. I was hopeful that Safin would get an exhibition game given his plus prospects camp but it wasn’t looking good after last night.

    Interesting that Maksimov, who also hasn’t played, wasn’t assigned – I wonder if he will get a game?

  71. Pouzar says:

    So what D would people want now?
    The Jest or Oil?

  72. pts2pndr says:

    BONE207: I wonder if anyone has done any research into things like adapting the lye, curve, length & flex if a stick to a players body & skating style?

    Imagine if a fitting of those could transform a Toby Reider into a Mike Bossy.

    To hell with this dressmaking gig!!! I’m going down to the basement & start experimenting. Jim Corsi, eat your heart out. I’m going to make some $$$.

    When JP went to the shorter stick by observation lye seemed all wrong as the tip of the blade was off the ice. He seemed to have difficulty taking and receiving a pass due to wrong lye.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    JethroTull:
    Hooray, another piranha in the tank that is the bottom six!

    Imagine being cut, then learning a PTO is coming in to try for the position you were just cut from.

    I’d rather see if Paddy Marlow had anything left in the tank.

    We’ve had the Leftorium. Now we’re collecting (sorry, “solidifying”) the bottom six (or seventeen). Any more solidifying and we’ll have a Neutron star.And that’s what comes before a black hole….

    I anticipate that Marleau has zero desire to come to Edmonton on a PTO – are you willing to commit thr 49th contract to him right now? What is he wants 2 years? What if he wants some actual money (i.e. more than $1M)?

    I don’t think he is being brought in to compete for a bottom 6 spot but to compete for the 2LW spot.

    No harm in taking a look.

    I don’t anticipate he is signed but, if he is, its likely a good thing as he’s impressed.

    I think he’d be under the purview of the ELC limitations but would need to do some research on that to confirm.

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    I enjoyed that game last night.The Oilers looked like a scrappy Doug Weight type of team.Jurco looked good, Manning bad.

    What did Manning do that looked bad to you?

    He had one giveaway in the 3rd but other than that, was relatively solid, added a physical presence, etc., at least to my eye.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    The Burdasov PTO, and especially the timing, is interesting.

    I thought I read (not sure where) that his agent has been pushing to get him a PTO but Holland hadn’t been interested. If that’s true then maybe they don’t like what they’ve seen from some of the signed players and have had a change of heart. (IF it’s true)

    I thought I had read that the player (agent) was pushing for a contract with bonus money included?

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock:
    Bouchard wobble in the 3rd but if McLeod cashes that stretch pass it’s all praises, right?

    The thing about Bouchard is that he’s already the best transition passer in our D corpse.

    Nope, wouldn’t be “all praises” for me – as I had stated prior to the game, we know his skills are going to show but the key is to continue to cut down on the “wobble” and the mistakes leading to scoring chances against. Through 2, he did just that, then the 3rd period came.

    Part of it may have been fatigue but, again, learning how to deal with the grind of the pro game is part of development.

    If a back to back is effecting him a week in to camp, how is he going to be feeling in November.

    ——————

    Anyways, he does look so damn good out there in so many areas. I can’t wait for a year from now – he’s going to post some crooked numbers

    ——————-

    As an aside:

    – wouldn’t call that a stretch pass, it was an 8 footer

    – if McLeod cashes, maybe more praise for Benson as he was in on the play.

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Were you enthusiastic about Gambardella and Currie?

    I thought Joe G. could potentially be a good 12th to 14th guy – essentially bringing the game that Russell did last night but with more skill and a bit more potential (not that much younger but still developing in his, now, third year pro).

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    EhTeam: You can see the future with McLeod.Lots to like, especially with the skating, but no hands.

    I’ll take a “bigger Marchant” out of a 2nd round pick – yes I will.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    geowal: He sounds more like Todd Marchant every day. Not a bad thing for a second rounder.

    Ha – I just made a very similar post prior to reading this.

    Time will tell on his offence – I wouldn’t say “no hands” – PPG in draft plus 1 in the OHL isn’t “no hands” but it doesn’t scream top 6 offence either.

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Jack Michaels, morning group had:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Nygard-RNH-Neal
    Gagner-Haas-Chiasson
    Khaira-Sheahan-Yamamoto

    Maksimov was rotating in with Kailer.

    Looks like Nygard may get the next shot at 2LW and I really thing that Jurco and Benson earned a shot so far moreso than Nygard.

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    Haven’t had a chance to listen yet but, Jack is reporting that coach said there is a chance McDavid plays next week and he’s “pretty optimistic” about him playing opening night.

  82. Reja says:

    BONE207: I wonder if anyone has done any research into things like adapting the lye, curve, length & flex if a stick to a players body & skating style?

    Imagine if a fitting of those could transform a Toby Reider into a Mike Bossy.

    To hell with this dressmaking gig!!! I’m going down to the basement & start experimenting. Jim Corsi, eat your heart out. I’m going to make some $$$.

    Toby Reider and the great Mike Bossy should never be in the same sentence.

  83. Harpers Hair says:

    Pouzar:
    So what D would people want now?
    The Jest or Oil?

    Surely you jets.

  84. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think he is being brought in to compete for a bottom 6 spot but to compete for the 2LW spot.

    No harm in taking a look.

    I don’t anticipate he is signed but, if he is, its likely a good thing as he’s impressed.

    If he’s being brought in for 2LW competition, then this team has not changed it’s ethos one iota.

    The harm in having a look is that it’s a complete waste of time that could be better spent on evaluating one of the prospects more thoroughly . Or is it that the other teams in the NHL have all missed out on this sleeper except for Cagey Kenny?

    As one poster has said, the timing is weird. Half way through camp with some guys already cut? And it sounds like the guy wants paying. One thing that gets you a bad rep is inviting people to camp that you have no intention of signing. No, he’s here because no one else wanted him and with us, he has a sadly legitimate shot of playing against NHL elites. And how’s he going to impress? It’s pre-season, remember?

    Can’t wait for him to light up pre-season, be signed 2yrs, $1.9MAAV, NMC one way, for him to inevitably struggle and people come unglued because he should be given a shot with McDavid.

    This guy has no business being here other than visiting WEM.

    Wash, rinse, repeat.

  85. Jethro Tull says:

    BONE207: I wonder if anyone has done any research into things like adapting the lye, curve, length & flex if a stick to a players body & skating style?

    Imagine if a fitting of those could transform a Toby Reider into a Mike Bossy.

    To hell with this dressmaking gig!!! I’m going down to the basement & start experimenting. Jim Corsi, eat your heart out. I’m going to make some $$$.

    LOL, remember Oates changing Teddy Purcell’s and Eberle’s stick dynamics? Good times….

  86. Reja says:

    Ryan: Chevvy mismanaged the Trouba situation IMO. He basically traded Trouba for a Kevin Hayes rental or what not.

    If Buff retires, I can’t think of a blueline that’s seen that level of personnel loss in recent memory.

    Trouba, Myers, Byfuglien. That’s devastating. They might as well call this a mini-rebuild year and go for a lottery pick.

    They have one top-four defenseman left, Morrissey.

    Many rate Morrissey higher than Nurse, so I think his contract looks pretty good for a number one dman locked in at $6.25 x 8.

    If Buff retires is there a deal involving Russell to the Jets?

  87. Eh Team says:

    OriginalPouzar: Time will tell on his offence – I wouldn’t say “no hands” – PPG in draft plus 1 in the OHL isn’t “no hands” but it doesn’t scream top 6 offence either.

    Yeah, no hands was harsh, but I’d say that 40 points is his upside. Which is fine. The most critical skill is skating ability and he has that. He can have a long useful career without being a scoring forward.

  88. geowal says:

    OriginalPouzar: Ha – I just made a very similar post prior to reading this.

    Time will tell on his offence – I wouldn’t say “no hands” – PPG in draft plus 1 in the OHL isn’t “no hands” but it doesn’t scream top 6 offence either.

    Yeah, I think many have fond memories of Marchant, not just because of 1997, though that’s a big part of it.

  89. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Reja: If Buffretires is there a deal involving Russell to the Jets?

    Think you could shed every bit of cap possible and get Laine out of WPG?

  90. McSorley33 says:

    jp,

    Incredible that Burdasov played last year with all of:

    Linus Omark
    Teemu Hartikainen
    Phil Larsen
    Vladimir Tkachev
    Alexei Semenov

    No idea what to expect from him, but he should have a pretty good idea about Edmonton.
    ************************************************************************************************
    I think he ( Burdasov ) only outscored the defencemen on this list….

  91. duct tape and foil says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Think you could shed every bit of cap possible and get Laine out of WPG?

    Pass on the 30 goal scorer with a 43% GF% who might want Draisaitl cash.

    If they want Russell for nothing or a contract we can bury in the AHL, well, I’m all for that.

  92. jp says:

    Wilde:
    So, this has gotten weird.

    This 16-17 ‘bottom-six’ amalgamation:

    Kassian
    Pouliot
    Slepyshev
    Letestu
    Caggiula
    Hendricks
    Puljujarvi
    Pitlick

    Absolutely demolished the 17-18 (bottom-fiveish) and 18-19 (worst in NHL by far) in converting nst
    s xGF to GF and CF to GF. (rel to rest of league)

    The way I always remembered it was that Letestu&crew had a good GA support his and the team’s 97-off GF% while taking heat in deployment.

    I’m going to go back to 15-16 next, but it’s looking like McLellan may have literally reverse-survivored this team’s bottom-sixes every year he was here, and that’s an area where I think he was legit making calls. Yikes..

    Didn’t the whole team overconvert in 16-17?

    IIRC the various metrics were at or below 50% aside from GF%.

    I’d guess the top 6 tells a similar story.

  93. jp says:

    McSorley33:
    jp,

    Incredible that Burdasov played last year with all of:

    Linus Omark
    Teemu Hartikainen
    Phil Larsen
    Vladimir Tkachev
    Alexei Semenov

    No idea what to expect from him, but he should have a pretty good idea about Edmonton.
    ************************************************************************************************
    I think he ( Burdasov ) only outscored the defencemen on this list….

    He lead the team in goals but was well behind Omark and Hartikainen in points (ahead of all the others listed).

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    PinkSocks:
    Could Russell be the Pisani?

    He “could be” but, then again, lets not forget what exhibition games really mean as far as NHL ready prospects and remember this was the 2nd exhibition game.

  95. JimmyV1965 says:

    duct tape and foil: Pass on the 30 goal scorer with a 43% GF% who might want Draisaitl cash.

    If they want Russell for nothing or a contract we can bury in the AHL, well, I’m all for that.

    The kid scored 110 goals before his 21st birthday. I would suggest he can get better defensively. Finding a gifted goal scorer like Laine is almost impossible.

  96. Eh Team says:

    OriginalPouzar: He “could be” but, then again, lets not forget what exhibition games really mean as far as NHL ready prospects and remember this was the 2nd exhibition game.

    NHL pre-season is such a scam. It’s just a money grab for the teams to hold games with “NHLers” and charge fans $ to see them. It’s let me send 2-4 NHLers and my AHL team to your city where we can play your 5-8 NHLers and scrubs and have a glorified scrimmage. And then you can do the same in our city. As long as no one important gets hurt, it’s all good.

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    New PTO guy doesn’t speak any English….

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sounds like the PTO guys is likely to play on Friday.

    I’ll be curious where he slots in practice. From this morning, it looks like Nygard has the next shot at 2LW and I think Benson and Jurco also deserve (and have earned) a look with Nuge and Neal.

    I believe he’s applying for that job (not the bottom 6) and am curious if he gets a shot there right away. I could be totally wrong, of course.

  99. LadiesloveSmid says:

    duct tape and foil: Pass on the 30 goal scorer with a 43% GF% who might want Draisaitl cash.

    If they want Russell for nothing or a contract we can bury in the AHL, well, I’m all for that.

    Ya he’s a bit of a Phil Kessel. Scores but struggles elsewhere.

    His GF%rel is good away from Bryan Little, maybe he’s got a point! He did score 44 a year ago, imagine him cashing on 97 passes.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    There you go – Tippett was asked if he sees him as a top 6 or bottom 6 and the answer was: “his role over there was as a top 6”.

    I’m now VERY confident, he’s applying for a top 6 winger spot, likely Nuge’s left wing.

  101. jp says:

    Jethro Tull: If he’s being brought in for 2LW competition, then this team has not changed it’s ethos one iota.

    The harm in having a look is that it’s a complete waste of time that could be better spent on evaluating one of the prospects more thoroughly . Or is it that the other teams in the NHL have all missed out on this sleeper except for Cagey Kenny?

    As one poster has said, the timing is weird.Half way through camp with some guys already cut?And it sounds like the guy wants paying. One thing that gets you a bad rep is inviting people to camp that you have no intention of signing.No, he’s here because no one else wanted him and with us, he has a sadly legitimate shot of playing against NHL elites. And how’s he going to impress? It’s pre-season, remember?

    Can’t wait for him to light up pre-season, be signed 2yrs, $1.9MAAV, NMC one way, for him to inevitably struggle and people come unglued because he should be given a shot with McDavid.

    This guy has no business being here other than visiting WEM.

    Wash, rinse, repeat.

    Boston and Florida also offered him PTOs.

    I’ll share more of your bad vibes if he gets a 2 x $1.9M deal.

  102. Reja says:

    Jaroslav Pouzar only scored 34 Goals in parts of 3 seasons with the Oil thought he scored more. The man was built like a tank and opened up ice for Messier and Anderson from what I remember.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tip also confirmed that Nygard is going to get a shot in the top 6 – Nuge may not play tomorrow but Nygard will play with some offensive players (Neal) and get PP time.

    With the PTO guy being a “top 6 guy” and Nygard, etc., I think Benson will have to move mountains to break camp with the team – that’s fine though. He’ll get games this year.

    Both Kass (who’s dealing with a groin issue) and Drai will likely play in the next couple of games.

    K. Russell is still in concussion protocol for a bit longer.

    Archibald fell in practice and has a sore elbow so didn’t skate today but is fine.

    Smith skated by himself this morning so he’s getting closer.

  104. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    There you go – Tippett was asked if he sees him as a top 6 or bottom 6 and the answer was: “his role over there was as a top 6”.

    I’m now VERY confident, he’s applying for a top 6 winger spot, likely Nuge’s left wing.

    A shoot first 6 foot 2 power forward that weighs 227 that has a edge to his game. If he finds chemistry in the top 6 in preseason sign him up how can you not love the name Anton.

  105. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    There you go – Tippett was asked if he sees him as a top 6 or bottom 6 and the answer was: “his role over there was as a top 6”.

    I’m now VERY confident, he’s applying for a top 6 winger spot, likely Nuge’s left wing.

    Desperate times…

    Taking the most optimistic view possible, the linked article appeared to say he started to take his diet (and training?) more seriously at age 27 (!!). So maybe he could be more than the boxcars indicate? Even aside his NHLE puts him solidly with/above all the other options. (The MOST optimistic view!)

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger

    Jimmy:

    PS. Laine would be absolutely filthy on this team. Just imagine the PP.

    Given the GA issues on this team, I agree, it would be filthy!

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger: Great comment, triggered many responses.

    Connor can be the sniper, he just needs a fast give and go man.

    Sure would love to see a third line center emerge, but there might be a fast winger here.

    Connor needs a linemate that thinks the game fast (and smart), not necessarily one that skates fast – in my opinion.

  108. Profit says:

    In Holland’s press scrum (on the Oilers twitter feed) the last question was “that a Russian reporter says that if Burdasov sticks, he’s got a contract at $1.7M, is that accurate?”

    Holland said “I would say that’s inaccurate” and then went into a discussion around how he has contract options in the KHL and PTO offers from other NHL teams, cap room etc. He ended with “what somebody wants and what somebody gets are quite often not the same thing”.

    I’m going to go out an limb here and say that Holland is not just going to toss him $1.7M based on that verbal. Holland has shown he understands the Edmonton market thus far, I really don’t see him burning that goodwill. Could be wrong, but that’s my take.

  109. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Pouzar,

    The Jets are in big trouble without Buff. Even with him in the lineup that D looks suspect.

    They sure could use Rusty….

  110. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Thanks for the updates. They get rid of your billable targets or something? 😉

  111. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Jack Michaels, morning group had:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Nygard-RNH-Neal
    Gagner-Haas-Chiasson
    Khaira-Sheahan-Yamamoto

    Maksimov was rotating in with Kailer.

    Looks like Nygard may get the next shot at 2LW and I really thing that Jurco and Benson earned a shot so far moreso than Nygard.

    Come on OP they need speed on that line to give it balance. Without Nygard who gets to a dump in or pressures the D. Answer nobody.

  112. Doug McLachlan says:

    texmex: In a round about way, The majority of Manning’s fully salary will count against the cap regardless.

    If he is sent down, he still has a cap hit of 1.175M (or a savings of 1.075M). If for example Jones (or other Rookie) is the 7D, he has a cap hit of 720K meaning the 7D still costs 1.9 (Jones + Manning in the minors).

    Better to have Jones playing in Bako and Manning in the press box.

    EDIT: I think

    No reason that the #7 D has to be dressed. Send Manning to Bako in a paper transaction but keep him in the press box, recall if there is an injury. You could do the same thing with Gagner if he is similarly looking at a #14 F role.

    The player gets the full salary and stays in Edmonton but the team gets a little cap relief (which could be very helpful if we anticipate Smith hitting any of his realistic bonuses for games played). I don’t want those bonuses to tag on to next season if we can avoid it.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: Gagner-Haas-Chiasson

    Has to be the most expensive fourth line in hockey.

    Like to see Nygard with Nuge, so we get our wish.

    Tip said Nuge may not play tomorrow but I think we may see Drai there (as Tip set Drai will likely play one of the next two and he wants to see Nygard with talent/skill).

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    EhTeam: The play with Manning is to either try to trade him (very unikely) or waive him and have him picked up (probably still pretty unlikely).If he is the 7th D, then his full salary counts against the cap.I can’t see that happening.I wonder too if Gagner is in the same situation.Especially as more and more options appear as potential forwards making the roster.

    Neither Manning or Gagner will be on the Oilers next year.Both probably looking at PTO’s next fall if they want to try to continue playing in the NHL.

    I’m sure they would love to trade him but would likely need to take cap back.

    The cap issue is inconsequential. If he’s not on the roster, yes, $1.075M is buried, however, that is replaced on the roster by another player – say Jones and $720K, so really, Manning on the roster costs like $355K to the cap, best case.

  115. defmn says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Pouzar,

    The Jets are in big trouble without Buff. Even with him in the lineup that D looks suspect.

    They sure could use Rusty….

    I wonder how many GM’s have phoned Chevy in the last 24 hours offering to “help him out”? 😉

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    gimmeshelter:
    I listened to the first period on CHED. Also read all the comments.After last nights game I would like a practice line of Burdasov– Connor—Jurco. It is hard to break up Drai from Connor but it has to be tried.
    Then put them together for one period in a game and evaluate.If it does not work go back to Drai. I have never seen Burdasov play but I wonder if he is like Brandon Pirri. Brandon got 2 goals and an assist for Vegas.All shooter not so much passer.
    Also everybody speaks highly of Bouchard. He tired out in the 3rd.I wonder if sending him to the Bake will help or deter. Edmonton is so scared right now of putting him in the NHL yet he has the skill.
    I know he made give aways but maybe he should learn in the NHL not AHL.

    If he got tired after back to backs a week in to camp, how is he going to feel in mid-November?

    Part of “development” is learning how to deal with the grind of the pro schedule – something that should be done in the American Hockey League so those late game mistakes don’t matter as much and the player can learn from them.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    JethroTull: If he’s being brought in for 2LW competition, then this team has not changed it’s ethos one iota.

    The harm in having a look is that it’s a complete waste of time that could be better spent on evaluating one of the prospects more thoroughly . Or is it that the other teams in the NHL have all missed out on this sleeper except for Cagey Kenny?

    As one poster has said, the timing is weird.Half way through camp with some guys already cut?And it sounds like the guy wants paying. One thing that gets you a bad rep is inviting people to camp that you have no intention of signing.No, he’s here because no one else wanted him and with us, he has a sadly legitimate shot of playing against NHL elites. And how’s he going to impress? It’s pre-season, remember?

    Can’t wait for him to light up pre-season, be signed 2yrs, $1.9MAAV, NMC one way, for him to inevitably struggle and people come unglued because he should be given a shot with McDavid.

    This guy has no business being here other than visiting WEM.

    Wash, rinse, repeat.

    Tip essentially confirmed “he’s played top 6 over there”.

    Yes, they’ve changed – they gave him a PTO not a contract (and he was negotiating hard for a one-way contract and, yes, from accounts, other teams were interested).

    I actually agree with the small risk as, until I am shown differently, I don’t think this guy has a legit shot. Nygard is getting a shot next game and I really think Benson and Jurco should be given a game with legit top 6 NHL talent.

    Other NHL teams had interest in him as well and, no, you don’t know more the multiple NHL organizations, sorry.

    There is absolutely no indication that Holland would offer anything close to that contract – he already held firm on just giving a PTO and, maybe, you should listen to what Holland had to say today about his apparent contract wishes.

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: If Buffretires is there a deal involving Russell to the Jets?

    I would anticipate they explore Risto, Faulk and Brodie, all likely available, first.

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    EhTeam: Yeah, no hands was harsh, but I’d say that 40 points is his upside.Which is fine.The most critical skill is skating ability and he has that.He can have a long useful career without being a scoring forward.

    40 points? From a second round that has plus skating, defensive accument, is a center, good at faceoffs, etc.

    YES PLEASE!

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Think you could shed every bit of cap possible and get Laine out of WPG?

    Does he even make the team better given his team gets shredded when he’s on the ice?

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Thanks for the updates.They get rid of your billable targets or something?

    Ha – This year has been the busiest I’ve had since the downturn, essentially 5 years.

    The last 3-4 month have been so busy (amazing though as I’m getting fantastic deals from my 3rd and 4th lender clients). I’m happy as shit but have been drowning a bit – billed 217 hours in August – not overly epic but it was August (a slow summer month) and, well, I’m too old/senior for that shit.

    Anyways, I will ALWAYS find time to fit in fitness, diet and Oilers – always.

    Of course, my wife was gone for 10 days at the beginning of Sept doing the West Coast Trail – after being back for 8, she left for Europe on Monday for two weeks.

    That helps the “time”.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts&pndr: Come on OP they need speed on that line to give it balance. Without Nygard who gets to a dump in or pressures the D. Answer nobody.

    Oh, I’m find with him getting a shot there – I just feel like Benson deserves (has earned) a shot there as has Jurco.

    Now the Russian is in and will get an AB up there too.

    I “fear” Benson won’t get a single game with “NHL top 6 skil” – I think Holland has all but made up his mind that Tyler will start in Cali -not the end of the world though.

  123. rickithebear says:

    jp: He lead the team in goals but was well behind Omark and Hartikainen in points (ahead of all the others listed).

    So he is team leading goal scorer
    Not outpoints.
    But generates assists for others.
    Looking at his seasons he is usually a high ratio evg scorer.

    What Holland has shown is his understanding that direct shooting is a top valued skill.

    Burdasov: KHL .74 NHLe; 82gm NHLE shown
    14/15 (23) 43gm 8 evg 1 shg ; NHLe 11.3 evg. 1.4 shg
    15/16 (24) 56gm 13 evg 2 ppg; NHLe 14.1 evg. 2.2 ppg
    16/17 (25) 35gm 13 evg 4 ppg; NHLe 22.5 evg. 6.9 ppg
    17/18 (26) 41gm 6 evg. 9 ppg; NHLe 8.9 evg 13 ppg
    18/19 (27) 50 gm 10 evg 9 ppg; NHLe 12.1 evg 10.9 ppg
    Top 6 winger evg NHLe 4 of 5 yrs
    More of a ppg specialist last 2 seasons.

    Even goal scorers and assists against weak comp
    2 rookie and 2 pre season games
    Benson 4 gm 0 g
    Hebig 3 gm 0g
    Maroody 3gm 0g 2 eva
    Mcleod 3gm 0g
    Maksimov 2gm 0 g
    Cave 2gm 0g
    Russell 2gm 1evg 1eva
    Players 1gm 0 g;
    Khaira, Chaisson (13evg), Archibald (12 evg), Granlund (10evg), Sheahan (8evg), Gagner, Haas, Nygard
    Neal 1gm 1 evg
    RNH 1gm 1evg
    Jurco 1gm 1evg 1eva

    Holland, “We are looking for double digit goal scorers.”

    Pre season keeps rolling!

  124. digger50 says:

    JimmyV1965: The Oilers are truly blessed. They have two of the top players in the league. Although they are both primarily set-up men, both of them can easily score 40 goals. How many guys are there like this? I just hope the team doesn’t pooch this up. Anyway, my point is that although McDavid and Drai can each score, ideally they each need shooters on their line, not passers.

    PS. Laine would be absolutely filthy on this team. Just imagine the PP.

    I believe this is a misconception.

    What we learned (I think) from Dom’s horrible article on the Oilers season was that even with Draisaitl last year after Christmas, Connor was not winning the goal share (49%) This was with Kassian and Chaisson.

    Prior to Christmas, with Connor and Leon and any other winger they were 51%. Interesting.

    The theory being that our top pair was in the top five in the league for scoring, however they were giving away more than they were gaining. While we think its simply a matter of finding a shooter, for this particular line The best way to improve this line is a defensively aware winger. Fast give and go player, a puck retriever offensively, and very defensively aware.

    I agree with this. Connor can score his own goals. He doesn’t need to retrieve the puck and feed it to a shooter, it can be the reverse.

    Now, if we separate Connor and Leon, and give Connor Kassian or Chaisson with anyone else on the left, Connor’s goal percentage fell to 34%. Ouch and there goes any chance of unicorns.

    As I reread your post I see I missed something. You said “each” of them. I agree, if each had a shoot first winger and a defensive aware winger we’d be in business.

    When I first read this article (Dom Luszczyszyn) in the Athletic I was shocked. Its worth a second read, tons of info here.

  125. digger50 says:

    Continuing my long post….

    1. We need Connor to win his goal share. That wasn’t happening last year second half. The bottom six doesn’t make any difference here. Connors line must be better defensively, that may mean a new winger but likely a better defensive system overall (Tippet) may fix this.

    2. Bottom six gave everything back. Worst in the league. Holland is certainly trying here; given the collection of bottom six that’s brewing. Prevent goals first, add goals second. (we may be viewing pre-season differently than Oil. They may not be looking for who can put up points in that botton six group, but those who never miss their check)

    3. Better PK. Looks like lots of potential in the mix to improve the PK.

    4. Some type, any type, of offensive threat other than the first line. There is a lot riding on Neal here. And a lot on Nuge to put something together.

    This is enough for play-offs.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    DougMcLachlan: No reason that the #7 D has to be dressed.Send Manning to Bako in a paper transaction but keep him in the press box, recall if there is an injury.You could do the same thing with Gagner if he is similarly looking at a #14 F role.

    I don’t think this is actually permitted.

  127. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Jack Michaels, morning group had:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Nygard-RNH-Neal
    Gagner-Haas-Chiasson
    Khaira-Sheahan-Yamamoto

    Maksimov was rotating in with Kailer.

    Looks like Nygard may get the next shot at 2LW and I really thing that Jurco and Benson earned a shot so far moreso than Nygard.

    The line with Nygard gives the line balance. Benson doesn’t have the requisite speed. Jurco would make a good second choice. The reality is with Nygard you have speed for the forecheck and also speed for getting back. It makes sense at this point in-time to find out what you have in Jurco and Nygard as Benson is a known quantity. It is not imperative to have Benson in the starting lineup as he makes good cover In the event Jurco or Nygard aren’t the answer.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger:
    Continuing my long post….

    1. We need Connor to win his goal share. That wasn’t happening last year second half. The bottom six doesn’t make any difference here.Connors line must be better defensively, that may mean a new winger but likely a better defensive system overall (Tippet) may fix this.

    2. Bottom six gave everything back. Worst in the league. Holland is certainly trying here. given the collection of bottom six that’s brewing. Prevent goals first, add goals second. (we may be viewing pre-season differently than Oil. They may not be looking for who can put up points in that botton six group, but those who never miss their check)

    3. Better PK.Looks like lots of potential in the mix to improve the PK.

    4. Some type, any type, of offensive threat other than the first line. There is a lot riding on Neal here. And a lot on Nuge to put something together.

    This is enough for play-offs.

    Yes, McDavid’s line 100% needs to be better defensively – they can’t give away all the good they do – that’s egregious.

    I believe there were some factors involved:

    – McDavid and Drai simply playing too many minutes – leading to (1) resting on the ice, (2) aggregate fatigue and bad decisions because of it

    – pressure to provide all the offence due to lack of scoring depth – leading to “cheating a bit” for offence – a bit too much.

    – losing in general – lead to “cheating a bit”, again.

    A better overall team, a better team defence, some help with secondary scoring, better PK, bottom 6 able to keep and even create momentum, etc. – all these things will help the top of the lineup, no?

  129. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I agree Connor and Leon need their defensive conscience that can play some hockey too.

    Nuge wants a speedy scorer.

    Makes sense to me. Might be options with all of the wingers in the house, not perfect but decent placeholders.

  130. Bling says:

    Just listened to the Tippett interview from today.

    Tippett was asked about Cooper Marody and Patrick Russell. He said Marody had his best outing of camp and that Patrick Russell has been “very good.”

    I think the Khaira/Sheahan/Archibald line is going to happen. Tipp had nice words for Khaira.

    At this time, my thinking is that the 3C race is:

    1) Marody
    ….
    2) Haas
    3) Cave
    4) McLeod (he is ticketed for the AHL)

  131. unca miltie says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    just thought I would let you know, I am heading out to celebrate 40 years of trudging the road to a happy destiny. Hope your travels are going well

  132. Munny says:

    digger50: 2. Bottom six gave everything back. Worst in the league. Holland is certainly trying here; given the collection of bottom six that’s brewing. Prevent goals first, add goals second. (we may be viewing pre-season differently than Oil. They may not be looking for who can put up points in that botton six group, but those who never miss their check)

    Tppett addressed this specifically last night. He said he doesn’t want just checkers, but checkers who can score.

    I’d speculate that response may explain Benson’s deployment thus far, and perhaps why Burdasov is being given a look, too.

  133. Munny says:

    Pouzar:
    So what D would people want now?
    The Jest or Oil?

    Has the Jest field been plowed?

  134. Munny says:

    I would say that Burdasov and Benson are applying for different jobs though.

    Burdasov is applying for goal-scoring winger, Benson play-making.

    Pretty sure we’re more short of the former, which is sad for Benson, who has really come along nicely since his injury-ridden youth.

    With all those past injuries, I don’t mind Benson returning to the A, I feel like his development lost a year, if not more, and that there’s more to come from this young man. I’d tell him to go down there and see what he can do about beating AHL netminding more often if I’m Holly.

    Like Boosh he’s unlikely to spend a full year down there anyways.

  135. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: Oh, I’m find with him getting a shot there – I just feel like Benson deserves (has earned) a shot there as has Jurco.

    Now the Russian is in and will get an AB up there too.

    I “fear” Benson won’t get a single game with “NHL top 6 skil” – I think Holland has all but made up his mind that Tyler will start in Cali -not the end of the world though.

    I like Benson too. I am of the belief that his career is better served playing in the AHL as a top six with the extra playing time rather than playing bottom six in the NHL. I believe the team will have no choice but to play him on the big team by no later than next year. I hope he gets some time on a line with Maksimov. A shoot first winger with his complimentary set up man on the other wing would be fun to watch.

  136. Munny says:

    Is this where we are right now?

    Dr. Drai — GORD — Kassian
    Contender — Nuge — Neal
    Granlund — Sheahan — Gagner
    Khaira — Haas — Chiasson
    Archibald

    Or thereabouts?

    Contenders:

    Nygard
    Burdasov
    Benson
    Jurco

    Jeeezus we have a lot of bodies lying around. Burdasov might not make it, granted; still, it looks like a trade is imminent. I’m not predicting one, but Jeezus we have a lot of bodies lying around here.

    Russell, Cave, Gambardella…

  137. defmn says:

    Munny:
    I would say that Burdasov and Benson are applying for different jobs though.

    Burdasov is applying for goal-scoring winger, Benson play-making.

    Pretty sure we’re more short of the former, which is sad for Benson, who has really come along nicely since his injury-ridden youth.

    With all those past injuries, I don’t mind Benson returning to the A,I feel like his development lost a year, if not more, and that there’s more to come from this young man.I’d tell him to go down there and see what he can do about beating AHL netminding more often if I’m Holly.

    Like Boosh he’s unlikely to spend a full year down there anyways.

    I see it much the same way. I am skeptical about Burdasov being the answer but I expect all the AHL guys from last year to start the season down there and be brought up as injuries or circumstances dictate.

  138. rickithebear says:

    vs very weak comp.
    Benson 4gm 0 evg

    Contender?

  139. Lowetide says:

    Ricki: If you want a politics blog, you should start one. This is hockey. I think you’re a very good human. I’m not spending 36 hours on this blog playing referee. Please refrain.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    Is this where we are right now?

    Dr. Drai — GORD — Kassian
    Contender — Nuge — Neal
    Granlund — Sheahan — Gagner
    Khaira — Haas — Chiasson
    Archibald

    Or thereabouts?

    Contenders:

    Nygard
    Burdasov
    Benson
    Jurco

    Jeeezus we have a lot of bodies lying around. Burdasov might not make it, granted. still, it looks like a trade is imminent. I’m not predicting one, but Jeezus we have a lot of bodies lying around here.

    Russell, Cave, Gambardella…

    I think we are here:

    Dr. Drai — GORD — Kassian
    Contender — Nuge — Neal
    Khaira — Sheahan — Archibald
    Contender— Contender — Contender

    Contender/Contender

    There are locks for some of those spots such as Gagner, Chiasson, etc. but who knows where – Gagner could be 2LW or 4RW, same with Chiasson.

    2LW Contenders: Gagner, Nygard, Russian PTO, Benson, Chiasson

    4C Conternder: Marody, Haas, Cave

  141. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, McDavid’s line 100% needs to be better defensively – they can’t give away all the good they do – that’s egregious.

    I believe there were some factors involved:

    – McDavid and Drai simply playing too many minutes – leading to (1) resting on the ice, (2) aggregate fatigue and bad decisions because of it

    – pressure to provide all the offence due to lack of scoring depth – leading to “cheating a bit” for offence – a bit too much.

    – losing in general – lead to “cheating a bit”, again.

    A better overall team, a better team defence, some help with secondary scoring, better PK, bottom 6 able to keep and even create momentum, etc. – all these things will help the top of the lineup, no?

    Yes, and the good news is all things that can be corrected. I know looking for reasons to believe, im starting to see some.

  142. digger50 says:

    Munny: Tppett addressed this specifically last night. He said he doesn’t want just checkers, but checkers who can score.

    I’d speculate that response may explain Benson’s deployment thus far, and perhaps why Burdasov is being given a look, too.

    I just seen Tips interview.

    Yes of course all coaches will say this. I still believe with these tight tryouts he’s going to go with steady defensive forward over a few more points.

    What did Benson get for goals? 7? Where as Gambardella scores 29. I do like your thought around utilizing Benson as a playmaker a little lower in the line up. He would be good with JJ.

  143. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I think it’s more locked up than that.

    In fact, I’d say 2LW is actually Nygard’s to lose and everyone else is essentially a fallback position if the bet doesn’t work.

    Haas we know is returning to Cheese Country if he doesn’t make the team, so I think he will be given every opportunity to do so as long as doesn’t blow TC, look overwhelmed etc. So he’s listed. Cave could steal it back, and all the power to him if he does, but that’s not the default position of the org is my best guess.

    Granlund isn’t going anywhere.

    Gags and Chaser are definitely locks, as you say, so needed to be slotted somewhere… since the point of the exercise was to show the number of extra Fs we’re carrying, and possibly sending down to the A ,where you’d want some space and playing time for the yutes.

    Some of this log jam could be resolved by Haas and Burdasov Kon-Tikkying their way back to Europe. But still, a lot of bodies.

  144. digger50 says:

    Munny:
    Is this where we are right now?

    Dr. Drai — GORD — Kassian
    Contender — Nuge — Neal
    Granlund — Sheahan — Gagner
    Khaira — Haas — Chiasson
    Archibald

    Or thereabouts?

    Contenders:

    Nygard
    Burdasov
    Benson
    Jurco

    Jeeezus we have a lot of bodies lying around. Burdasov might not make it, granted; still, it looks like a trade is imminent. I’m not predicting one, but Jeezus we have a lot of bodies lying around here.

    Russell, Cave, Gambardella…

    I think a trade is coming as well.

    Holland burned up the phones this summer and obviously didn’t like the deals and didn’t pull the trigger. Those calls may still pay off, I think he’s still got some lines in the water.

  145. Munny says:

    digger50,

    I look at that roster and wonder how a Gagner, Chiasson or Khaira can avoid a trade. Or somehow Holly letting loose lesser lights like Russell, Gambardella, Cave…

    And if both Haas and Burdasov make varsity, the jam goes full out “WE BE JAMMIN!” lol.

    And then of course there’s Pujo too.

  146. Munny says:

    And it feels like LT is always calling for a trade this time of year—something about balance affecting a plane taking off, blah, blah, blah—and he hasn’t said nuthin’ this year.

    So there’s no LT Trade Jinx. Ha! Stick that in your hooka and smoke it, Godot!

  147. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Does he even make the team better given his team gets shredded when he’s on the ice?

    Yes. Strong yes.

    We need to remember this past season was by far the worst of his short career.

    – He scored 36 and 44 goals as an 18 and 19 year old.
    – He scored 20+ 5v5 goals his first 2 years (top 15 in the NHL each season)
    – He was a plus player for 2 years before falling off a cliff last year (5v5 goal differential has been +7, +16, -14 (he struggled this year but is also a poster boy for the limitations of +/- as a stat, which paint him as worse than the 5v5 results)
    – His “possession” numbers aren’t great, this is true. They were terrible this past season but somewhat decent the previous 2 yrs
    – However he seems to drive on ice shooting %. He’s outperformed league average every year but was truly elite in each of his first 2 yrs (top 20 on the league and basically a full % better than his nearest teammate).
    – All the negatives come at 5v5. He’s top 10 in the league in PP goals each of the past 2 yrs, and tied with Ovechkin for most total PP goals over that span.

    Laine isn’t perfect. Maybe what he demands in salary takes away any value. But he’s a difference maker as a player and a textbook buy-low candidate.

    Think about how many allowances you (and I and many others) have made for Puljujarvi since he’s “just turned 21”. Puljujarvi has honestly produced sweet f* all so far but we believe he still has a chance. Well Laine is the same age and has done nothing but actually produce (it’s really quite impressive – he’s #6 in total NHL goals over his first 3 seasons in the league).

    This is a player every NHL team should want. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger: I just seen Tips interview.

    Yes of course all coaches will say this. I still believe with these tighttryouts he’s going to go with steady defensive forward over a few more points.

    What did Benson get for goals? 7? Where as Gambardella scores 29. I do like your thought around utilizing Benson as a playmaker a little lower in the line up. He would be good with JJ.

    Benson had 15 goals, mostly in the 2nd half. He shot like 4% in the first half.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I think it’s more locked up than that.

    In fact, I’d say 2LW is actually Nygard’s to lose and everyone else is essentially a fallback position if the bet doesn’t work.

    Haas we know is returning to Cheese Country if he doesn’t make the team, so I think he will be given every opportunity to do so as long as doesn’t blow TC, look overwhelmed etc.So he’s listed.Cave could steal it back, and all the power to him if he does, but that’s not the default position of the org is my best guess.

    Granlund isn’t going anywhere.

    Gags and Chaser are definitely locks, as you say, so needed to be slotted somewhere… since the point of the exercise was to show the number of extra Fs we’re carrying, and possibly sending down to the A ,where you’d want some space and playing time for the yutes.

    Some of this log jam could be resolved by Haas and Burdasov Kon-Tikkying their way back to Europe.But still, a lot of bodies.

    I know Haas said its the NHL or back to Europe but he did also say that he’d be willing to head to the AHL for an aclimitization stint if necessary and I think he may see that to start the year.

    I agree Granlund is a lock and should be in my list with Chiasson and Ganger – those guys are on the team and in the lineup, I just don’t know where.

  150. Munny says:

    jp,

    If you have a chance to get a Laine at a reasonable price and on a reasonable contract, you do it every day and twice on Winnipeg Day.

    Defense is always the slowest thing to come for kids. You snap up players other teams give up on too early.

  151. Lowetide says:

    Munny:
    And it feels like LT is always calling for a trade this time of year—something about balance affecting a plane taking off, blah, blah, blah—and he hasn’t said nuthin’ this year.

    So there’s no LT Trade Jinx.Ha!Stick that in your hooka and smoke it, Godot!

    They should make a trade.

  152. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar,
    A couple of questions…

    Burdasov is a left shot but plays RW. Isn’t he more likely to be considered for Kassian’s spot in the top 6 than the 2LW job ? As a side note, it seems to be a thing for Russians that play their off wing ( Yakupov, Slepyshev, etc. ) to be attractive to the Oilers.

    If Dustin B. retires, will that be like a Datsyuk situation where the Jets are still stuck with his Cap hit ?

  153. Jaxon says:

    Burdasov’s Goal NHLe for the last 3 years:
    2016-17: 32 goals
    2017-18: 24 goals
    2018-19: 25 goals
    Don’t know if he can bring all that to the NHL, but yes please.

  154. Bank Shot says:

    RonnieB:
    OriginalPouzar,
    A couple of questions…

    Burdasov is a left shot but plays RW. Isn’t he more likely to be considered for Kassian’s spot in the top 6 than the 2LW job ? As a side note, it seems to be a thing for Russians that play their off wing ( Yakupov, Slepyshev, etc. ) to be attractive to the Oilers.

    If Dustin B. retires, will that be like a Datsyuk situation where the Jets are still stuck with his Cap hit ?

    Datsyuk was over 35 when he signed his contract ergo Wings were stuck with it.

    Dustin was under 35 so his caphit would go away.

  155. RonnieB says:

    Bank Shot,

    I see. Thanks.

  156. Jaxon says:

    Draisaitl/McDavid/__________
    ______/Nugent-Hopkins/Neal
    Granlund/Sheahan/Gagner
    Chiasson/__________/Kassian

    Gagner or Granlund could move into that 4C spot if needed thereby freeing up a LW or RW spot. If Gagner isn’t RW, then Chiasson could move into his spot thereby freeing up aLW spot.

    Burdasov/Nygard/Haas – Europeans signed (contact or PTO) this summer
    Khaira/Jurco/Archibald – NHL players who haven’t been able to stick yet. Archibald and Khaira are a bit more established than Jurco.
    Benson/Marody/Hebig/Yamamoto(inj) – young guns from last season’s AHL success
    Russell/Currie/Gambardella/Cave/Malone – vets from last season’s AHL success
    MacLeod – rookie pro

    That’s a lot of bodies for 3 spots.
    LW
    Khaira
    Burdasov
    Benson
    Jurco
    Nygard
    McLeod
    Gambardella

    C
    Khaira
    Marody
    Haas
    Cave
    Currie
    Hebig
    McLeod
    Malone

    RW
    Burdasov
    Jurco
    Archibald
    Marody
    Russell
    Currie
    Yamamoto (inj)

    I think Khaira should get a spot beside Nugent-Hopkins and Neal. That leaves a spot for a RW scorer and a C. If Burdasov grabs the RW spot (or maybe Jurco), that leaves a spot for another C. Marody, Haas. Cave, Currie, Hebig, McLeod? I have no idea who might emerge from that group.

  157. defmn says:

    Jaxon,

    Not to mention there could be a trade. 😉

    Half joking but there are a lot of teams out there with unsettled lineups from cap space issues.

  158. Wilde says:

    I will NOT try to guess what the deleted post was and be right on the first try

  159. Professor Q says:

    RonnieB:
    OriginalPouzar,
    A couple of questions…

    Burdasov is a left shot but plays RW. Isn’t he more likely to be considered for Kassian’s spot in the top 6 than the 2LW job ? As a side note, it seems to be a thing for Russians that play their off wing ( Yakupov, Slepyshev, etc. ) to be attractive to the Oilers.

    If Dustin B. retires, will that be like a Datsyuk situation where the Jets are still stuck with his Cap hit ?

    There is a Swede (Lucas Raymond) projected in the Top 5 coming up in the 2020 draft who is a Right Shot but plays the LW. They’re taking Ovie’s lead!

  160. SwedishPoster says:

    Why is Gagner considered a lock? I’m sure he’ll be among the 14 forwards but I wouldn’t say he’s a lock for the lineup. He’s not a great fit stylewise for the team Holland and Tippett seem to be building, he could add some skill and scoring to the bottom six but imo he’s one of several options where the playing field is pretty even.

    I have a similar feeling with Chiasson, not a great fit stylewise but could find a role adding some scoring in the bottom six. I think one of them starts the season in the pb tbh. Neither player PKs very well, neither player is a great fit with either of the top 6 duos. They will get playing time during the season, both in the top 6 and bottom 6, but they kind of feel like leftovers from the old regime. I know Holland gave Chiasson a contract but I think that’s more about the optics of not offering a guy who just scored 20+ goals and is well liked in the room when you have a serious lack of established goalscorers outside the top three forwards than the guy being a great fit for the team.
    And if Chiasson can repeat his scoring spree from last season he’ll obviously have a spot on the team but the guy we saw during the second half of the sure didn’t look like it, imo he was worthy of being healthy scratched at times down the stretch.

  161. fishman says:

    Currently touring in Scotland. Now in Oban and touring the distillery today. Have a new appreciation for Whisky. Good to see LT gang locked and loaded for new season!

  162. Yeti says:

    rickithebear

    Ricki: The response you were looking for was the one that said: “Sorry, LT. I got worked up about that important issue, but I understand that this is not the right place for it. Thanks for the gentle reminder and I’ll make sure to respect your fine blog by keeping my posts to hockey.”

  163. rickithebear says:

    Yeti: Ricki: The response you were looking for was the one that said: “Sorry, LT. I got worked up about that important issue, but I understand that this is not the right place for it. Thanks for the gentle reminder and I’ll make sure to respect your fine blog by keeping my posts to hockey.”

    You are correct!

    It is a hockey blog.

    I will not post about pure evil human, things, and actions that people treat as a religion.
    That has differing political cliques point of views that have caused public arguements and fights in the past.

    I showed burdasov’s evg, ppg, shg NHLE by season.

    He is Definitely worth an intelligent look!

    We are seeing players fail at a lower level of competition.

    Some perceived to be better than that will get a chance at a higher more organized level of pre season play.

    Probably Including 4gm 0g Benson.

  164. Genjutsu says:

    Yeti: Ricki: The response you were looking for was the one that said: “Sorry, LT. I got worked up about that important issue, but I understand that this is not the right place for it. Thanks for the gentle reminder and I’ll make sure to respect your fine blog by keeping my posts to hockey.”

    It’s easy to get swept up in something we are passionate about. Happens to the best of us. Emotion can gets the best of us and make us act inappropriately.

    But at the end of the day when you live in dad’s house, you play by his rules. Same as it ever was.

  165. rickithebear says:

    Look forward to morning skate notes for every preseason game day.

  166. Derek says:

    fishman:
    Currently touring in Scotland. Now in Oban and touring the distillery today. Have a new appreciation for Whisky. Good to see LT gang locked and loaded for new season!

    Lucky bastard.

  167. jp says:

    Munny:
    digger50,

    I look at that roster and wonder how a Gagner, Chiasson or Khaira can avoid a trade.Or somehow Holly letting loose lesser lights like Russell, Gambardella, Cave…

    And if both Haas and Burdasov make varsity, the jam goes full out “WE BE JAMMIN!” lol.

    And then of course there’s Pujo too.

    I don’t see the issue, or the need for a trade TBH.

    I feel pretty comfortable calling 12 of the 14 roster forwards now: McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Neal, Kassian, Chiasson, Gagner, Sheahan, Granlund, Khaira, Archibald and Nygard.

    So if Haas and Burdasov make the team and there are no injuries (worst case scenario for too many bodies to be sent down) who does that leave to be traded, waived or assigned?

    Cave, Jurco and the guys who played in the AHL last year.

    I’m fine with that. And do any of them have trade value anyway? Would they even be claimed on waivers? Maybe, but just as likely not. I just don’t see an issue (and this is the worst case – if Burdasov or Haas don’t make the team or there are injuries fewer bodies need to be sent out).

  168. franksterra says:

    fishman,

    Such a lovely place. If you have time and you haven’t already, get over to Kererra (sp) for a few hours. Glorious walking. I am jealous.

  169. gimme shelter says:

    With the possible retirement in Winnipeg, 2 of our young defenders ( You pick the names) and Puju for Patrick Laine. The bonus of having an abundance of D is to trade for wingers.
    I am really,really,really curious to see our final lineup for the start of the NHL season.We have too many bodies and not enough NHL experience,goal scoring.
    Also the Condors,which defenders end up there and which forwards.
    Also Bouchard being tired in the 3rd last game. Yes he is a rookie.I imagine even vets at this time of year when they have not gotten their legs would be tired.
    So after our lineup is named then we have an injury to a defender. Who will get the call from the Bake?

  170. Pouzar says:

    SwedishPoster: Why is Gagner considered a lock? I’m sure he’ll be among the 14 forwards but I wouldn’t say he’s a lock for the lineup.

    +1

    And I am not high on Granlund either outside of his PK ability…I mean he has that at least right?

  171. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think we are here:
    Dr. Drai — GORD — Kassian
    Contender — Nuge — Neal
    Khaira — Sheahan — Archibald
    Contender— Contender — Contender
    Contender/Contender

    I dunno if this is how they see it but I think it should be.
    I would argue that that Sheahan line could be the 4th line.

  172. McNuge93 says:

    gimme shelter:
    With the possible retirement in Winnipeg, 2 of our young defenders ( You pick the names) and Puju for Patrick Laine. The bonus of having an abundance of D is to trade for wingers.
    I am really,really,really curious to see our final lineup for the start of the NHL season.We have too many bodies and not enough NHL experience,goal scoring.
    Also the Condors,which defenders end up there and which forwards.
    Also Bouchard being tired in the 3rd last game. Yes he is a rookie.I imagine even vets at this time of year when they have not gotten their legs would be tired.
    So after our lineup is named then we have an injury to a defender. Who will get the callfrom the Bake?

    Not sure Winnipeg is looking for D prospects, I would think they’d want actual NHL defenders. And we cannot afford Laine.

    It will be interesting how the Oilers lineup eventually shakes out.

  173. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Why Kailer Yamamoto’s delayed training camp may benefit his Oilers career

    https://theathletic.com/1222709/2019/09/19/why-kailer-yamamotos-delayed-training-camp-may-benefit-his-oilers-career/

  174. Pouzar says:

    Chabot 8 x 8

  175. BONE207 says:

    unca miltie:
    OriginalPouzar,

    just thought I would let you know, I am heading out to celebrate 40 years of trudging the road to a happy destiny. Hope your travels are going well

    Congratulations on your Happy Destiny…is that the same as a happy ending?

  176. Jaxon says:

    As of today, this is what I’d like to see. I’m sure I’ll have a very different view on Saturday morning.

    Draisaitl/McDavid/Burdasov
    Khaira/Nugent-Hopkins/Neal
    Granlund/Marody/Gagner
    Chiasson/Sheahan/Kassian

    Vying for 13th, 14th forward:
    Jurco, Nygard, Archibald, Haas

    Most likely to be knocked out of the top 12: Burdasov and Marody.

    Maybe Nygard and Haas adjust quickly and impress enough to knock someone out of the top 12, but I haven’t see it yet. Archibald and Jurco have looked good but I’m not sure if they’ve looked good enough to displace anyone in this super small sample.

    Maybe one of the AHL vets (Russell, Currie, Gambardella) keep impressing and make it. They’ve got a tough road to hoe though.

  177. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: There is absolutely no indication that Holland would offer anything close to that contract – he already held firm on just giving a PTO and, maybe, you should listen to what Holland had to say today about his apparent contract wishes.

    Hahahaha! My goodness, did I listen. And what did I hear? Ken has invited a player he clearly has no idea about. Read shit straight from the wiki page, same with Tip, who did at least do a little due diligence and watch some video. But it’s clear Ken hasn’t a clue who he is.

    All I thought of through that interview is “Ken’s been told be someone to give this guy a shot.” He must have been, because if he’s doing it as a favour to the agent, which was suggested on TSN, then nothing has change; decisions are still being made based on things other than winning.
    We just changed Oilers Old Boy nepotism for Detroit flavoured. Blue gatorade for red powerade.

    Ken just jumped through visa hoops and had a guy travel 24hrs straight for a slim shot in less than ten days of camp.

    Have you tried realism? When something doesn’t sound right, it usually isn’t.

    Anyone arguing that this is a good thing is being deliberately disingenuous. It’s a waste of everyone’s time. The worst thing for the Oilers is if he blows the doors off, then gets offered.

  178. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jaxon,

    – My working theory untill proven otherwise (despite the meek verbage from Tippett), is that CmD won’t be ready for game 1, or even if he is, with no pre-season, he will need to get up to speed, they need to bring in another scorer, which is why they have tried out Burdasov

    – I think Drai and Nuge (untill CmD is 100%), the team needs 4 wingers who can score, and between Burd, Neal, Kassian, Nygard etc this is how they patch it together.

  179. OriginalPouzar says:

    JethroTull: Hahahaha! My goodness, did I listen.And what did I hear?Ken has invited a player he clearly has no idea about.Read shit straight from the wiki page, same with Tip, who did at least do a little due diligence and watch some video.But it’s clear Ken hasn’t a clue who he is.

    All I thought of through that interview is “Ken’s been told be someone to give this guy a shot.” He must have been, because if he’s doing it as a favour to the agent, which was suggested on TSN, then nothing has change. decisions are still being made based on things other than winning.
    We just changed Oilers Old Boy nepotism for Detroit flavoured.Blue gatorade for red powerade.

    Ken just jumped through visa hoops and had a guy travel 24hrs straight for a slim shot in less than ten days of camp.

    Have you tried realism?When something doesn’t sound right, it usually isn’t.

    Anyone arguing that this is a good thing is being deliberately disingenuous.It’s a waste of everyone’s time. The worst thing for the Oilers is if he blows the doors off, then gets offered.

    Ken admitted to not seeing him play or knowing much about him because he is honest. Of course, Ken had a team of people working for him and he listens tot he advice of the people he hires to advise him.

    He would have been here for the beginning of camp in not for Visa issues – the shortened period/late start was due to law.

    Its disingenuous to think that this is such an egregious move that requires vitriol towards management – doing that is clearly a stretch to find, yet another, way to propagate the negative narrative one wishes.

    I agree that there is a slim shot of this working, however, the “risk” (which is only 15 – 30 min of exhibition ice for another player) is so small that its essentially no risk and “why not”?

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    KingerOiredux:
    Jaxon,

    – My working theory untill proven otherwise (despite the meek verbage from Tippett), is that CmD won’t be ready for game 1, or even if he is, with no pre-season, he will need to get up to speed,they need to bring in another scorer, which is why they have tried out Burdasov

    – I think Drai and Nuge (untill CmD is 100%), the team needs 4 wingers who can score, and between Burd, Neal, Kassian, Nygard etc this is how they patch it together.

    Verbal was quite strong in my opinion yesterday.

    They’ve gone from “unlikely to play exhibition games” to “somewhat likely” and now “very optimistic” on him playing opening night. That, to me, is a confirmation on opening night barring some sort of set back (of which, he’s had zero from the start).

  181. fishman says:

    franksterra:
    fishman,

    Such a lovely place. If you have time and you haven’t already, get over to Kererra (sp) for a few hours. Glorious walking. I am jealous.

    Taking a boat trip over there tomorrow!!!

  182. hunter1909 says:

    BONE207: Congratulations on your Happy Destiny…is that the same as a happy ending?

    You’d better ask his wife.

  183. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull,

    I had the most incredible retort lined up, seeing that you’re sitting on the fence with the Holland/Tippett regime. After all, you weren’t around for the Dynasty, while suffering as much as the rest of us during the KLowe regime.

    I’ll confidently predict that this team comes storming out of the gate October 2. Holland/Tippett represent the best management combination since Sather/Muckler(old timey Oilers managers who knew a thing or two about winning).

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