2019-20 Game 33: Hurricanes at Oilers

I’ll be honest, I’d rather not lose a Game 7. Given the choice, make it to the finals or lose in a Game 7, I’ll take an earlier loss. Too painful. Don’t need no memories hangin’ round.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers recall Caleb Jones, one of their most plausible trade chips
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘These games are not coming back’: Oilers lament frustrating week at home
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 5 prospect, Winter 2019 — Raphael Lavoie
  • Jonathan Willis: Dave Tippett rewarded for his bets on the resilience of Mikko Koskinen, Oilers
  • Lowetide: How many value contracts do the Oilers have and are any more on the way?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland responds to allegations that Mike Babcock mistreated players in Detroit
  • Jonathan Willis: How will Hart voters choose between Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How the Oilers turned team defence from a weakness into a strength
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the Oilers’ latest roster shuffle and the defencemen involved
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 4 prospect winter 2019: Tyler Benson
  • Minnia Feng: Unsolicited advice for the Oilers: Chinese proverbs edition
  • Jonathan Willis: Are the Oilers good now? Subtle changes add up to sustainable gain
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Mikko Koskinen is seizing his opportunity to take over the Oilers’ crease
  • Lowetide: Eight assets the Oilers could use to acquire Taylor Hall
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 prospect winter 2019: Ethan Bear
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 2 prospect winter 2019: Philip Broberg
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 1 prospect winter 2019: Evan Bouchard

OILERS AFTER 33 GAMES

  • Oilers in 201514-17-2, 30 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in 2016: 16-12-5, 37 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in 2017: 14-17-2, 30 points; goal differential -9
  • Oilers in 2018: 18-12-3, 39 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in 2019: 18-10-4, 40 points; goal differential +5

There are three teams who are similar (2016, 2018, 2019) through 32 games, and of course the 2016 and 2018 teams headed in different directions. There is potential for a crossroads period here between now and Christmas, as the Oilers are facing some tough teams in the coming days.

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 5-0-0, 10 points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in December 2016: 2-1-2, six points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in December 2017: 3-2-0, six points; goal differential +8
  • Oilers in December 2018: 4-1-0, eight points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in December 2019: 2-1-1, five points; goal differential -2

I have tonight as a loss for Edmonton, meaning this year’s team will be trailing previous December runs with McDavid. Goal differential also poor. Plenty of room to grow.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: OTT, LAK, BUF, CAR (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • On the road to: MIN (Expected 1-0-0)
  • At home to: TOR (Expected 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: DAL, STL (Expected 0-2-0)
  • At home to: PIT, MTL (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 0-0-1)
  • At home to: CAL, NYR (Expected 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-6-2, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 2-1-1, 5 points in 4 games

A win tonight and the Oilers will have covered my prediction, while a loss would put the team at a point per game. Edmonton’s ability to avoid losing streaks, and to gather Bettmans while ye may, have been a major help.

TRADING YOUNG PLAYERS

The Oilers rumour mill is a gas, and reflects the small town nature of this beautiful city. Edmonton is a city of conversation. Text and calls, parsing Bob on the radio, nudging a trade possibility forward via insiders like our own Frank Seravalli from the national side. Maybe Ryan Rishaug or Mark Spector finds out something or an out of town reporter (Garrioch? Russo?) fills in more of the picture. Fans, who have come to know this as ‘how it works’ are amazingly patient and innovative: Fans not only get the trades right, sometimes their trade ideas are better than the ones who find their way to the league office. Just as you can never question the authenticity of the wonderful food being made in various restaurants and cafes, the homemade trade is a unique and wonderful experience.

My least favourite type of trade is ‘young draft pick who hasn’t fully matured for short term return’ although that has worked over the years. Folks, trading youth for experience only makes sense when you are ready to push for a championship. I count trading for a signed Taylor Hall as wise, I don’t count trading for an impending free agent Taylor Hall as anything but folly. How many good young players has this organization traded away for an experienced return?

  1. Walt Poddubny to Toronto for Laurie Boschman, March 1982.
  2. Martin Rucinsky to Quebec for Ron Tugnutt, March 1992.
  3. Martin Gelinas to Quebec for Scott Pearson, June 1993.
  4. Miro Satan to Buffalo for Barry Moore, March 1997.
  5. Jarret Stoll and Matt Greene to LA Kings for Lubo, June 2008.

Oilers traded youth for youth, age for youth and everywhere in between, but these are the trades that come to me instantly (along with a megascrew deal involving Adam Graves).

WINTER TOP 20 PROSPECTS

The winter list is up, I broke out the top 5 individually and the rest are listed and reviewed in today’s piece at The Athletic. I don’t especially enjoy the idea of trading any of Tyler Benson or Caleb Jones or Dmitri Samorukov being sent away, but a trade for an expiring contract (forward) who gets signed is a different matter. Would the Oilers deal Evan Bouchard? Philip Broberg? Ethan Bear? No sir, don’t believe they would do it. The first round 2020 pick? Better be a signed Taylor Hall driving to Ford Hall when the news breaks.

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OILERS 2019-20

Who knows how long these lines will last, honestly feels strange running 97 without one of 29 or 93. We’ll see. It would be a travesty to waste McDavid even for one night. I get the idea of needing second line scoring but the organization has other options. I love the No. 2 line, wish the team had a strong No. 1 LW option than Nygard. He is playing well, maybe Tippett catches lightning in a bottle.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning, lots of fun and hopefully more clarity on the Caleb Jones recall. At 10 this morning, TSN1260. Jonathan Willis from The Athletic will talk new lines and the tough schedule ahead. Andrew Peard and Corey Graham will pop in just after 11 to talk Oil Kings and we’ll replay the Teddy Bear toss audio (it was awesome). We’ll also chat Philadelphia Eagles, who won’t go away. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. verdad2.0 says:

    The team is imploding and some care about preserving prospects of dubious value?

    This needs fundamental reconstruction.

    Holland is an inert incompetent.

    Tonight will be dismal.

  2. Wilde says:

    more like verbad69.0

  3. Andy Dufresne says:

    BIG BIG WIN TONIGHT!

  4. Dicky94 says:

    verdad2.0,

    Santa isn’t real either.

  5. geowal says:

    Hope everyone behaved themselves last night!

  6. Side says:

    verdad2.0: The team is imploding and some care about preserving prospects of dubious value?

    This needs fundamental reconstruction.

    Holland is an inert incompetent.

    Tonight will be dismal.

    The team is imploding and some care about preserving prospects of dubious value?

    This needs fundamental reconstruction.

    Holland is an inert incompetent.

    Tonight will be dismal.

    The one bright spot was that they still won on the road.

    …I just need to point out that in the case of Vancouver,

    they played while going without a goalie and adding Burns on a healthy scratch.

    Brodeur missed a fun game as well.

    Cory Schneider had an empty netter.

    Relief/anger.

    So, about that Gerstein ad.

  7. Bling says:

    Interesting that Stauffer has Yamamoto in the untouchable category with Broberg and Bouchard.

    It’s getting harder and harder to see KY as a top six option going forward, based solely on the AHL boxcars. Some of that is injury, but he wasn’t elite offensively in his final junior season, either.

  8. Lowetide says:

    verdad2.0:
    The team is imploding andsome care about preserving prospects of dubious value?

    This needsfundamental reconstruction.

    Holland is an inert incompetent.

    Tonightwill be dismal.

    This team is about where we should expect it to be, maybe a little ahead. I had them at 88 points as a prediction, the team would be on a pace for 99-to-104 points depending on if they lose tonight. Your point about roster holes is well taken but a team can’t mortgage future assets for another expensive player. The Oilers aren’t one player from a Stanley. They just aren’t.

  9. Lowetide says:

    Bling:
    Interesting that Stauffer has Yamamoto in the untouchable category with Broberg and Bouchard.

    It’s getting harder and harder to see KY as a top six option going forward, based solely on the AHL boxcars. Some of that is injury, but he wasn’t elite offensively in his final junior season, either.

    He was elite until injury. The big worry is injury

  10. Andy Dufresne says:

    The lineup posted above looks like Tippett asking the group for a commitment to team defense. To playing like we were in the first 20 games of the season. To reducing goals against. To winning close 1 goal hockey games. To not wasting the brilliant performances of Mikko Koskinen. (they are not all brilliant, but some of them are)

    Tonight is Craig MacTavish night for me. “You’re gonna lose some games you should have won (Buffalo) and win some games you probably should have lost (Carolina)”

    3-2 Oilers.

  11. leadfarmer says:

    Carolina is a very good team but goalering is their achilles heel.
    Mrazek is not an NHL starter

  12. jtblack says:

    it’s all about the Killer B’s

    BENSON
    BOUCHARD
    BROBERG
    BEAR ….

    Hope they are ALL on the roster within 18 months ..

  13. Side says:

    Boston lost to Chicago and the Senators. What an Oilers thing to do.

  14. Dicky94 says:

    Supposedly NJ scouts in town tonight. Hopefully Kris Russel gets a hat trick!

  15. flyfish1168 says:

    Playing RNH with Leon maybe a tell. Are they hoping to showcasing RNH or is he still part of the core?

  16. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide: He was elite until injury. The big worry is injury

    Where injury is a synonym for “development time”

    I think if Yamamoto makes it, it will be at a relatively advanced age. Like 23 or 24.

  17. flyfish1168 says:

    verdad2.0:
    The team is imploding andsome care about preserving prospects of dubious value?

    This needsfundamental reconstruction.

    Holland is an inert incompetent.

    Tonightwill be dismal.

    Sounds like the Phlegms.

  18. dustrock says:

    Dicky94:
    Supposedly NJ scouts in town tonight.Hopefully Kris Russel gets a hat trick!

    ha ha ha ha

  19. Andy Dufresne says:

    Another reason Tippett may want to “keep em seperated” is that he wants them both Conner and Leon to shoot more often.

    They are the teams only real first person shooters. (ie elite shooters)

  20. Andy Dufresne says:

    Dicky94:
    Supposedly NJ scouts in town tonight.Hopefully Kris Russel gets a hat trick!

    He could score 7 and we’d still have to retain $3m

  21. dustrock says:

    You know LT, we talked about slow playing prospects for years and years.

    And then we got McDavid. And then Chiarelli destroyed the team.

    The precarious balancing act that Holland has to perform is on the one hand, ensuring the roster is NHL-worthy, top to bottom, for 10 years to come, while on the other hand, keeping McDavid happy.

  22. Andy Dufresne says:

    dustrock:
    You know LT, we talked about slow playing prospects for years and years.

    And then we got McDavid.And then Chiarelli destroyed the team.

    The precarious balancing act that Holland has to perform is on the one hand, ensuring the roster is NHL-worthy, top to bottom, for 10 years to come, while on the other hand, keeping McDavid happy.

    I think of the many things that Holland and TIppett are united on, one of the big ones is that “the NHL is not developomental league”.

    I doubt Jones would be up again if their hand wasnt being forced by the Benning injury, and the need to know what some of those AHL Dmen really are. The list is long of Oilers prospects who havent played a single NHL game this season. Including Lagesson, Benson, Yamamoto and half a dozen others.

    I wonder what our record would be if JP were here and Holland was forcing Tippett to play him???

    #BullettDodged

  23. Jethro Tull says:

    Rusty gets pushed into Koski tonight, injuring him, exploding the blog. Book it!

    Got no idea how this team is going to play tonight. I don’t even think they know period to period. Must be hard for the coaches to get a handle on the true state of the team. One minute they’re being dominated in their own barn by the bottom feeders, the next they’re not even letting the other team touch the puck.

    Are they the ones that bring a sixer of lucky and a bag of Doritos to a pot luck and proceed to drink your craft beer/18yo single malt and eat your 24 hr smoked brisket?

    Or are they the guys that turn up to the deck building bee with every tool imaginable, a plan on how to do the job, and a cooler full of MGD for after?

    I’m going with they turn up like Uncle Buck.

  24. Jethro Tull says:

    Dicky94:
    Supposedly NJ scouts in town tonight.Hopefully Kris Russel gets a hat trick!

    3 blocked shots? At least the orgasm will kill Remenda.

  25. dustrock says:

    Andy Dufresne: I think of the many things that Holland and TIppett are united on, one of the big ones is that :the NHL is notdevelopomental league”.

    I doubt Jones would be up again if their hand wasnt being forced by the Benning injury.

    Sorry, wasn’t being clear, fighting off a head cold.

    I meant slow play prospects versus burning some of them to get Hall.

    At some point, wasting McDavid’s prime can’t happen anymore.

    I don’t give a flying fluff if Samorukov might be a top 4 defenceman in 4 years if McDavid is gone after 2 years.

  26. dustrock says:

    https://theathletic.com/1446088/2019/12/10/ranking-nhl-microcores-executives-scouts-and-a-coach-rate-the-core-players-for-all-31-teams/

    The Athletic got some NHL execs/scouts to rate each NHL team’s “microcore”, meaning their best C, D, and G.

    Spoiler alert, Oilers in 9th, behind the Stars and just ahead of the Jets.

    “This is the hardest one,” said an executive. “Connor is 100. I’ve got the other guys at 75.” You have the best young player in the game in Connor McDavid. You don’t get to count Leon Draisaitl. And there are question marks everywhere else. One executive gave the Oilers a 90 just because of McDavid but that was the highest mark. “The rest of the guys? Just, no,” said the scout.

  27. Oilin4 says:

    Yamo has fallen on your list fast. I’d be open to trading him if there’s a taker.

  28. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I meant to post this when Ralph was in town. There are 4 coaches in the NHL who have coached the Oil: Ralph, Dallas, Todd and now Tipp: I wonder if that is a record?

    – Can’t think of another 4 coaches from same team all coaching at same time…

    – There are certainly coaches who have coached 4 teams+: Torts and Maurice (if you count Hartford), Keenan, Hitch, Scotty Bowman come to mind

  29. Andy Dufresne says:

    dustrock: Sorry, wasn’t being clear, fighting off a head cold.

    I meant slow play prospects versus burning some of them to get Hall.

    At some point, wasting McDavid’s prime can’t happen anymore.

    I don’t give a flying fluff if Samorukov might be a top 4 defenceman in 4 years if McDavid is gone after 2 years.

    Ah…Gotcha.

    So yes to Taylor Hall then?

  30. Dee Dee says:

    While I am not his biggest fan I’m starting to like the idea of a Hall acquisition, as a Rental.

    Put the Band back together and see what happens. Kick the tires a little and test drive a bigger contract before committing to a bigger contract.

  31. Brantford Boy says:

    Dicky94:
    verdad2.0,

    Santa isn’t real either.

    Excuse me? Careful, there’s a list for that…

  32. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: There are 4 coaches in the NHL who have coached the Oil: Ralph, Dallas, Todd

    Yeah. It sure feels like there are a lot of teams come into our town with “extra incentive” to want to beat us. These coaches, ex players, and then every goalie in the league wanting to prove they’re better than McDavid. (or the Dynamic Duo)

  33. PennersPancakes says:

    Wonder who will be Dallas’ next coach.

    “Inappropriate misconduct”

  34. dustrock says:

    Andy Dufresne: Ah…Gotcha.

    So yes to Taylor Hall then?

    Perversely, I actually like him better as a rental than a long-term signing. I don’t trust his health and the signing cost.

    If there’s one thing parity has given us, it’s that anybody can get to the Finals, you just need to get into 8th.

  35. dustrock says:

    https://theathletic.com/1444705/2019/12/10/hockey-taka-how-the-maple-leafs-new-possession-style-of-play-borrows-from-soccers-fc-barcelona/

    Keefe looking at tiki-taka and applying it to hockey as best he can

    I think you’re going to see a much better OIlers team when we have Jones, Bouchard, Bear, Broberg, Samorukov playing in major roles.

    LT has already commented several times on how Bear, as a rookie, is the sharpest transition passer on the D corpse.

    It was the same when Jones and Bouchard were up last year.

  36. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Andy Dufresne: The list is long of Oilers prospects who havent played a single NHL game this season. Including Lagesson, Benson, Yamamoto and half a dozen others.

    – Yeah its really great to see. I’m surprised when I read posts or comments advocating bringing them up though now. We finally get draft and development, then we don’t want it

    – Just like Chia did in his last year with the Reider, Rattie, Cags, Spooner, Cave, Gagner, Brodz etc, Holland be like Granlund, Jurco, Nygard, Haas, Gagner, etc

    – Then the lower tier older AHL’ers are placeholders: Russell, Malone, Currie etc

    – There is a clear organization move towards setting themselves up for two draft and development waves: Marody/Benson/Kailer. Then another: McLeod,/Maksi/Lavoie

    – You need a few from each wave to be better than the Reider, Rattie, Haas Gagner to fill up the middle, and hopefully one of them pops with skill

    – We now have at least a draft and develop D for the next 3-5 years: Bear Jones Laggs Berglund in this wave, then Bouchard, “Brah, Samu in the next. Need 1-2 from each group > Benning/Russell, and one stud to emerge

    – Anyway that’s how I see the “strategy”. Just hope the draft and develops start producing, else we just get 3-6 bets per year on has-beens, never-beens or over-seas shiny things each off-season

  37. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    PennersPancakes:
    Wonder who will be Dallas’ next coach.

    “Inappropriate misconduct”

    Statement from Dallas Stars General Manager Jim Nill:

    “The Dallas Stars expect all of our employees to act with integrity and exhibit professional behavior while working for and representing our organization. This decision was made due to unprofessional conduct inconsistent with the core values and beliefs of the Dallas Stars and the National Hockey League.”

    Source: https://www.nhl.com/stars/news/jim-montgomery-dismissed-as-head-coach-of-dallas-stars/c-312388186

  38. Primetime says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Another reason Tippett may want to “keep em seperated” is that he wants them both Conner and Leon to shoot more often.

    They are the teams only real first person shooters. (ie elite shooters)

    Totally agree.

    They have begun to only look for the perfect, highlight reel goal…giving up clear shots/scoring chances to make the fancier backdoor pass…
    Being separated will force them to make the more direct play

  39. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock,

    I think you’re going to see a much better OIlers team when we have Jones, Bouchard, Bear, Broberg, Samorukov playing in major roles.

    So Nurse and Klefbom are no longer Oilers in this timeline?

  40. dessert1111 says:

    I’m sure this has been suggested before but I wonder if there is any chance for a Hall-Larsson trade. It’d be a fun redo. I’d even throw in a second round pick!

  41. Alpine says:

    One thing about Hall is that he already knows how to play here. One less that you’d have to worry about is that he could handle whatever pressure that exists with playing in Edmonton.

    I think it was Georges who ran the numbers on players’ scoring and what it looked like after they switched teams. Most guys fell off a bit after being acquired by their new team. There’s always adjustments to different line mates, coaching systems, different cities, etc. Plus the aging factor. With Hall maybe only a couple of those things would be different for him, and he’s been able to succeed under a few different coaches now.

  42. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    COL 11
    STL 11
    WPG 8

    Pacific
    EDM 8
    ARI 8
    VAN 4

    Wildcard
    DAL 6
    CGY 4

    Out of playoffs
    NSH 3
    VEGREVILLE 3
    MIN 2
    CHI 0
    SJS 0
    ANA -2
    LAK -7

    CGY is now on a 5 game winning streak.

    They are doing it their usual way, winning in OT. They have the 2nd least regulation wins in the WC (CHI & LAK have 8) with only 9 of their 16 wins being in regulation and the rest in OT. Bettman’s league at its finest.

    They play ARI tonight and there is probably a 96% chance it goes to OT for a 3 point game.

    TOR is at VAN, take the over on that game. Vegreville home to CHI. Fluery might finally start a game.

  43. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    dustrock,

    I think you’re going to see a much better OIlers team when we have Jones, Bouchard, Bear, Broberg, Samorukov playing in major roles.

    So Nurse and Klefbom are no longer Oilers in this timeline?

    I listed them all, knowing that most likely 2-3 of them will stick long term. 🙂

  44. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    LeBrun says not abuse related.

    Nobody seems to know anything, that’s crazy.

  45. Harpers Hair says:

    dustrock:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    LeBrun says not abuse related.

    Nobody seems to know anything, that’s crazy.

    Speculation is something from his personal life.

  46. Wilde says:

    dustrock,

    It’s going to be an association

  47. Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville says:

    Wilde:
    dustrock,

    It’s going to be an association

    Meaning?

  48. dustrock says:

    Press conference at 10 am

  49. Wilde says:

    Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville,

    Some kind of (criminal) association, I’d feel vulgar and slandering if I typed out an example

    e: wait I didn’t mean literally criminal idk why I typed that I’m tired

  50. Nit64 says:

    Wilde:
    Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville,

    Some kind of (criminal) association, I’d feel vulgar and slandering if I typed out an example

    Here’s a real past example:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Slapshot

  51. dustrock says:

    Wilde:
    Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville,

    Some kind of (criminal) association, I’d feel vulgar and slandering if I typed out an example

    Slander is intentionally saying something bad about Montgomery as the truth with the intent to damage his reputation.

    Speculating that his dismissal could be resulting from criminal charges doesn’t come across as slander to me, but I appreciate you being careful.

  52. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    dustrock,

    – Thanks for that link. Cool.

    – Goes to what I was talking about yesterday, in a comprehensive: how “possession” per se isn’t really a good measure as the seminal piece in evaluating team play, given the difficulty in maintaining control. It also talks about the stuff away from the puck. Neat.

    – Not all possession is equal, and that’s all our stats provide us (but clearly teams like Toronto have different measures)

  53. Jethro Tull says:

    PennersPancakes:
    Wonder who will be Dallas’ next coach.

    “Inappropriate misconduct”

    Something about the term “inappropriate misconduct” doesn’t sit well with me. Almost Trump-like. Let’s go through the alternatives:

    Appropriate misconduct – Nah, non-starter.
    Appropriate conduct – Good Boy!
    Inappropriate conduct – I think we have a winner!

    It’s probably a cromulent sentence, irregardless.

    Tuning in to presser….

  54. ArmchairGM says:

    Side:
    Boston lost to Chicago and the Senators.What an Oilers thing to do.

    We expect better. WE DESERVE BETTER!

  55. jp says:

    Bling:
    Interesting that Stauffer has Yamamoto in the untouchable category with Broberg and Bouchard.

    It’s getting harder and harder to see KY as a top six option going forward, based solely on the AHL boxcars. Some of that is injury, but he wasn’t elite offensively in his final junior season, either.

    Was that his full list of untouchables?

    I still think Yamamoto will most probably be a player (if not a 60 point scorer), but having him in the Bouchard/Broberg category is just odd.

  56. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack:
    it’s all about the Killer B’s

    BENSON
    BOUCHARD
    BROBERG
    BEAR ….

    Hope they are ALL on the roster within 18 months ..

    I wouldn’t bet against it!

  57. jtblack says:

    outside of Edmonton’s top line, no forward has more than 7 Even Strength Points … uh ok ….

    LT was banging on the Josh Leivo drum for a while. Could have been had for a bag of pucks … He has 13 ES points in VAN ….

    IMO those type of adds can make a big difference to overall balanced scoring. Edmonton needs to find 1 or 2 Josh Leivo’s .. and soon …

    For Reference here are some other prominent players and their ES points.

    DRAI (leads league) – 33
    STAMKOS – 15
    STONE – 13
    JVR – 13
    HALL – 13
    HAYES – 13
    KADRI – 13

    Leivo was signed for $1.5 Million.

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    Of note: when talking to Woodcroft about Cave, Stauffer mentioned Colby dealing with some personal stuff – hope everything is ok with him and his family.

  59. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer:
    Carolina is a very good team but goalering is their achilles heel.
    Mrazek is not an NHL starter

    Even still, their GA/GP is 9th best in the league at 2.73. Edmonton is 12th at 2.84.

  60. jtblack says:

    is Klefbom a #1 D?

    8 ES points (Nurse has 13).

    Klefbom has surpassed Neal, with a -17 on the season …

    Is this a product of Kelfbom’s partners? or is Oscar more of a 2nd pair type?

    I know he is logging the most ice time in the NHL and playing the toughs .. but the numbers aren’t flattering

  61. ArmchairGM says:

    Dicky94:
    Supposedly NJ scouts in town tonight.Hopefully Kris Russel gets a hat trick!

    I find it unlikely that Holland would be trying to trade K Russell right now – especially if he’s serious about a playoff run.

  62. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    The lineup posted above looks like Tippett asking the group for a commitment to team defense.

    Exactly. Tough love for McDavid and Draisaitl, for all the defensive coverage errors of the last month. The team comes first. Team defense comes first. If you two don’t back check, I will be forced to play you with players who are willing to backcheck.

    Tippett gave them rope earlier in the last 10 game segment, but the first game back together last night after the injury shuffling, they were back to a lack of commitment to backchecking immediately.

  63. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I meant to post this when Ralph was in town.There are 4 coaches in the NHL who have coached the Oil: Ralph, Dallas, Todd and now Tipp: I wonder if that is a record?

    – Can’t think of another 4 coaches from same team all coaching at same time…

    – There are certainlycoaches who have coached 4 teams+: Torts and Maurice (if you count Hartford), Keenan, Hitch, Scotty Bowman come to mind

    And Nelson was left a bridesmaid again today, or there would have been five.

  64. ArmchairGM says:

    dustrock:
    https://theathletic.com/1446088/2019/12/10/ranking-nhl-microcores-executives-scouts-and-a-coach-rate-the-core-players-for-all-31-teams/

    The Athletic got some NHL execs/scouts to rate each NHL team’s “microcore”, meaning their best C, D, and G.

    Spoiler alert, Oilers in 9th, behind the Stars and just ahead of the Jets.

    “This is the hardest one,” said an executive. “Connor is 100. I’ve got the other guys at 75.” You have the best young player in the game in Connor McDavid. You don’t get to count Leon Draisaitl. And there are question marks everywhere else. One executive gave the Oilers a 90 just because of McDavid but that was the highest mark. “The rest of the guys? Just, no,” said the scout.

    Dreamy was a “no”??

  65. dustrock says:

    Sean Shapiro

    @seanshapiro

    Nill said he was made aware this weekend of a “material act of unprofessionalism.” There is no connection to any past or present players per Nill

  66. geowal says:

    “A material act of unprofessionalism”.

  67. godot10 says:

    geowal:
    “A material act of unprofessionalism”.

    OP is proud of the language usage.

  68. geowal says:

    If I’m going to go ahead and “speculate” I’d think it’s something in the gambling realm. It’s the only place I can think where it would be both non-player and non-criminal

  69. frjohnk says:

    jtblack:
    is Klefbom a #1 D?

    8 ES points (Nurse has 13).

    Klefbom has surpassed Neal, with a -17 on the season …

    Is this a product of Kelfbom’s partners?or is Oscar more of a 2nd pair type?

    I know he is logging the most ice time in the NHL and playing the toughs .. but the numbers aren’t flattering

    *puts down “Trade Nurse” sign thats attached to pitchfork*

    *scribbles out “Nurse” and writes “Klefbom”*

    *raises pitchfork to the sky*

  70. geowal says:

    godot10: OP is proud of the language usage.

    It’s catching on

  71. dustrock says:

    People are speculating Christmas party related.

  72. Wilde says:

    Second retro-tracked game from last night-

    Bakersfield Condors vs. Tucson Roadrunners; November 24th, 2018:

    Benson-Marody-Hebig
    Gamba-Malone-Yama
    Polei-Currie-Gust
    Christoffer-Espo-Calla
    Lagesson-Jones
    Lowe-Bear
    Stanton-Day

    Period 1
    16 CF – 11 CA
    10 FF – 5 FA
    0 GF – 1 GA

    Period 2
    10 CF – 17 CA
    6 FF – 10 FA
    1 GF – 3 GA

    Period 3
    9 CF – 16 CA
    6 FF – 10 GA
    0 GF – 0 GA

    Three Squares:

    1#: Joe Gambardella (0.86 Game Score) – 2 shot attempts, 0 (primary) shot assists, 28.57 (primary) contribution %, 1 goal, 1 penalty drawn / / 7 CF – 10 CA (41.18%), 1 GF – 1 GA

    #2: Kailer Yamamoto (076 Game Score) – 0 shot attempts, 5 (primary) shot assists, 55.56 (primary) contribution %, 1 (primary) assist / / 9 CF – 13 CA, (40.18%), 1 GF – 1 GA

    #3: Logan Day (0.34 Game Score) – 7 shot attempts, 2 (primary) shot assists, 56.25 (primary) contribution % / / 16 CF – 13 CA (55.17%), 0 GF – 2 GA

    They got completely wrecked in that game. Tons of foreshadowing there for the type of games they’ve been losing this winter as well. I’ve been noticing Garland in these games, not sure how much of that is biased but I think he stood out.

    I’ll have to look into the F/W 2018 Condors more, and see how close this year’s team actually does track with them – a lot of observers here (and elsewhere) have imo been underrating how different the team was in the first and second half. Those two November games I did last night completes my sample straight through December 21st.

  73. Clarkenstein says:

    ArmchairGM: Even still, their GA/GP is 9th best in the league at 2.73. Edmonton is 12th at 2.84.

    Mike Smith

  74. Wilde says:

    dustrock,

    Oh I didn’t mean it in the legal way, it’s just my guesses would have made me feel like a dick if I hit enter

  75. ArmchairGM says:

    dustrock:
    People are speculating Christmas party related.

    The interns again?

  76. dustrock says:

    Matthew DeFranks

    @MDeFranks

    John Klingberg said the Stars players were not told about what happened with Jim Montgomery.
    38
    10:33 AM – Dec 10, 2019

  77. McSorley33 says:

    ArmchairGM: I find it unlikely that Holland would be trying to trade K Russell right now – especially if he’s serious about a playoff run.

    Interesting.

    I find it unlikely a rebuilding team would want to continue their rebuild with a soon to be 33 year old shot blocker. And not a cheap shot blocker, either.

  78. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock: Sorry, wasn’t being clear, fighting off a head cold.

    I meant slow play prospects versus burning some of them to get Hall.

    At some point, wasting McDavid’s prime can’t happen anymore.

    I don’t give a flying fluff if Samorukov might be a top 4 defenceman in 4 years if McDavid is gone after 2 years.

    You can improve the team and keep the bulk of your prospects, although you might have to trade some. A good GM can do this. We need two players. I’m not saying Holland has to make a trade tomorrow, but sometime between now and the start of the season next year, he needs to get it done. Find the missing two!!!

  79. leadfarmer says:

    The most surprising thing about these code of conduct firings is that Tortorella is still around.
    I would have guessed he’d be the first

  80. Darth Tu says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    COL11
    STL11
    WPG8

    Pacific
    EDM8
    ARI8
    VAN4

    Wildcard
    DAL6
    CGY4

    Out of playoffs
    NSH3
    VEGREVILLE3
    MIN2
    CHI0
    SJS0
    ANA-2
    LAK-7

    CGY is now on a 5 game winning streak.

    They are doing it their usual way, winning in OT.They have the 2nd least regulation wins in the WC (CHI & LAK have 8) with only 9 of their 16 wins being in regulation and the rest in OT.Bettman’s league at its finest.

    They play ARI tonight and there is probably a 96% chance it goes to OT for a 3 point game.

    TOR is at VAN, take the over on that game.Vegreville home to CHI.Fluery might finally start a game.

    God. Harper is going to be delighted if the Oilers lose tonight and the next game. His Flames winning and Oilers losing streak prophecy will be fulfilled….

  81. ArmchairGM says:

    McSorley33: Interesting.

    I find it unlikely a rebuilding team would wantto continue their rebuild with a soon to be 33 year old shot blocker. And not a cheap shot blocker, either.

    I think he’ll be traded in the summer, after his signing bonus gets paid out. And while he’s overpaid, he’s exactly the type of veteran player you need for the playoffs. He goes to war night after night, that’s something this team needs more of.

  82. Darth Tu says:

    godot10: OP is proud of the language usage.

    Is this a clean disposition of Montgomery?

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chiasson and Jones are taking part in the optional skate this morning.

    Koskinen in the starters’ net.

    Tippett speaking now.

  84. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Although this team is flawed right now and may be out of a playoff spot in a month I feel as though easy changes are available. The Oilers have too many defence men now and they will have to trim down the waiver eligible list before next fall. They also have Jesse P to trade. Trading these assets can help the Oilers now without hurting them in the future too much. As it stands the Oilers may lose a good defence men to waivers next year.

    The other fix is getting 97 and 29 to play defence consistently.

  85. jtblack says:

    frjohnk: *puts down “Trade Nurse” sign thats attached to pitchfork*

    *scribbles out “Nurse” and writes “Klefbom”*

    *raises pitchfork to the sky*

    No pitchforks here …

    just an honest question …. The #1 D on each team is considered a #1, but not all #1’s are created equally …

    Is Oscar a #1 on Tampa? St.Louis? Calgary? Vancouver? etc etc … is he a true #1?

    he has tonnes of value and is a Great player. I am not questioning that … I am asking, how good is he?

  86. Andy Dufresne says:

    dustrock:
    People are speculating Christmas party related.

    HAAAAAhaaaaaaaaaaaaa…….. 🙂

  87. leadfarmer says:

    dustrock:
    People are speculating Christmas party related.

    Did he buy Seguin a Peloton?

  88. Munny says:

    Dicky94:
    Supposedly NJ scouts in town tonight.Hopefully Kris Russel gets a hat trick!

    And suddenly Jones is airlifted back into the line-up…

  89. Andy Dufresne says:

    Darth Tu: God. Harper is going to be delighted if the Oilers lose tonight and the next game. His Flames winning and Oilers losing streak prophecy will be fulfilled….

    #BlindSquirrellNutTheory

  90. Andy Dufresne says:

    Munny: And suddenly Jones is airlifted back into the line-up…

    Fun…………..but Occams Razor says Persson didnt play well…again…..(and Benning is still injured)
    But you never know……

  91. Rich M says:

    Lowetide: This team is about where we should expect it to be, maybe a little ahead. I had them at 88 points as a prediction, the team would be on a pace for 99-to-104 points depending on if they lose tonight. Your point about roster holes is well taken but a team can’t mortgage future assets for another expensive player. The Oilers aren’t one player from a Stanley. They just aren’t.

    Quoted for truth.

    Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    Those that think you can trade a bag of pucks (not to be confused with Bag of Pucks) for OEL are smoking the drapes.

  92. godot10 says:

    jtblack: No pitchforks here …

    just an honest question …. The #1 D on each team is considered a #1, but not all #1’s are created equally …

    Is Oscar a #1 on Tampa?St.Louis? Calgary? Vancouver? etc etc … is he a true #1?

    he has tonnes of value and is a Great player. I am not questioning that … I am asking, how good is he?

    I would classify Klefbom as a high end #3D, and Nurse as trending to a #2D (currently also a high end #3D) if paired with appropriate partners.

  93. godot10 says:

    Munny: And suddenly Jones is airlifted back into the line-up…

    Jones, Manning, and Gagner for Vatanen.

    or

    Jones and Manning for Vatanen with NJ retaining 50%

  94. Pouzar says:

    Why is Chris Russil so difficult to spell?

  95. Rondo says:

    “Pittsburgh Penguins’ John Marino is the best rookie defenseman no one’s talking about”

    https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/28261098/pittsburgh-penguins-john-marino-best-rookie-defenseman-talking-about

  96. Cassandra says:

    leadfarmer:
    The most surprising thing about these code of conduct firings is that Tortorella is still around.
    I would have guessed he’d be the first

    There was an article at the Athletic on this. Sounds like it is indeed possible to be a hard coach without being an abusive coach.

  97. Cassandra says:

    godot10: OP is proud of the language usage.

    I laughed, and laughed hard.

  98. cowboy bill says:

    Judging from the way Tip has the lines set for tonight’s game , he’s looking for balance. .With defense & forechecking on all four lines , along with a scoring touch . The three top goal scores ( McDavid , Draisaitl & Neal ) on three different lines . Of course that fourth line is the best of the lot . They just know how to play and the goals will come . The life of Riley .

  99. HugThePost says:

    Cassandra: There was an article at the Athletic on this.Sounds like it is indeed possible to be a hard coach without being an abusive coach.

    I am a little surprised people haven’t come out with knives for Hitchcock yet but maybe his demanding style stopped short of being an abuser.

  100. dustrock says:

    It’s pretty crazy to think last year’s team was just 1 point back of this year’s squad.

    Boy, did they nosedive.

  101. tileguy says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Another reason Tippett may want to “keep em seperated” is that he wants them both Conner and Leon to shoot more often.

    They are the teams only real first person shooters. (ie elite shooters)

    </blockauotes
    Yes shoot more and to quit looking for each other, other teams have figured that out and is the reason more and more passes to each other are not being completed

  102. Reja says:

    dustrock:
    People are speculating Christmas party related.

    Was it a Christmas party in a hotel room hosted by Koznetsov with Vodka and Russian girls.

  103. slopitch says:

    The Oilers LHD depth chart is: (order may vary but mine is by NHL readiness)

    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Russell
    Jones
    Lagesson
    Samorukov
    Broberg

    Given the Oilers forward depth, its madness to play for 2 years down the road when you have McDavid on the roster. Assuming Russell has limited value, to me Jones, Lagesson and Samo are all in play. Just dont lose the damn trade 🙂

  104. verdad2.0 says:

    It is absolutely astonishing that there some regular contributors to this site is that still think that Oilers have anything in Bakersfield worth waiting for other than Bouchard.
    Certainly no forward

    If any other team is stupid enough to take any of them, do it asap.

    If any team is willing to take any existing Oiler defenceman other than Bear make that trade asap

    But do something!
    MacDavid and the Oiler fan base deserve better than having the worst forwards in the NHL

    As Koskinen, he is no keeper either
    However short side goals does he have to let in?

  105. jtblack says:

    verdad2.0:
    It is absolutely astonishing that there some regular contributors to this site is that still think that Oilers have anything in Bakersfield worth waiting for other than Bouchard.
    Certainly no forward

    If any other team is stupid enough to take any of them, do it asap.

    If any team is willing to take any existing Oiler defenceman other than Bear make that trade asap

    But do something!
    MacDavid and the Oiler fan base deserve better than having the worst forwards in the NHL

    As Koskinen, he is no keeper either
    However short side goals does he have to let in?

    Was your senior year Grade 8 or Grade 9?

  106. JimmyV1965 says:

    I think we are two forwards away from icing a very competitive team. Although we don’t have a legit #1 dman, I believe as a group they are average to above average. IMO There’s really only a handful of teams they have six legit top six forwards. Am I wrong about this? I wonder if Ken Holland sees it this way?

  107. Dr. Taboggan says:

    dustrock:
    It’s pretty crazy to think last year’s team was just 1 point back of this year’s squad.

    Boy, did they nosedive.

    Yeah but last season goaltending started to decline, Klef got hurt, and McD and Drai were visibly tired from being overplayed. Surely none of that will happen this season.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tip didn’t really say much about the lineup in his avail just that Jones will be in (and reiterated the reason for the flip with Persson so quick is that he thinks Jones is the better defender).

    Of note, with Klef and his foot injury and related decrease of PK time – Jones can PK a bit and Persson hasn’t at all.

  109. Darth Tu says:

    I still prefer Neal on the right wing rather than the left. I’d almost rather see the lines look like this, if we’re splitting Drai and Mcd:

    Nygard – McD – Kassian
    Drai – Nuge – Neal
    Khaira – Haas – Russell
    Granlund – Sheahan – Archibald

    I’m going to call it. If the Oilers 1-4 after the St Louis game we’ll see Granlund bumped out of the lineup and Benson up for a look.

    Drai – McD – Kassian
    Benson – Nuge – Neal
    Khaira – Haas – Russell
    Nygard – Sheahan – Archibald

    Bring Chiasson on back in at some point as well, I left him out for penalty kill reasons initially.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    Caleb does mention that he’s playing the right side – clearly Tip/Playfair like Rusty on his natural side as much as possible.

    Who knows which of Jones and Larsson will be up with Klef and which will be with Russ – judging by practice yesterday, they may start with Larsson up with Klef.

  111. Pouzar says:

    Darth Tu: we’ll see Granlund bumped out of the lineup

    In my dreams.
    Granlund is ok…I mean…he will get in the way by being in the right spots but he won’t create a dam thing on his own and we have too many of those types now. I’d like to see Jurco get an extended turn in the lineup. Gord knows Granlund hasn’t gotten plenty of rope.

  112. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Interesting how this Montgomery thing plays out. Good for them to be protecting his privacy, although it’s a pretty black box: How the NHL is: not media savy, bush-leaguey, insular. Not an employee, not criminal, no players involved: by all accounts solid citizen. weird. We wait

  113. frjohnk says:

    jtblack: No pitchforks here …

    just an honest question …. The #1 D on each team is considered a #1, but not all #1’s are created equally …

    Is Oscar a #1 on Tampa?St.Louis? Calgary? Vancouver? etc etc … is he a true #1?

    he has tonnes of value and is a Great player. I am not questioning that … I am asking, how good is he?

    My definition of a number 1 D man is a guy that plays all situations and play them well. Can play against the toughs without our best forwards and do OK. Can take over games.

    This is my opinion ( as many other peoples definition of a number 1 Dman will vary) but there are really only 10-15 number 1 Dmen in the league.

    The most recent number 1 Dman we had was Chris Pronger.

    I like Klefbom, the issues I see is that I do think he has played too much, had times trying to do too much ( bad pinches) and he has not had a consistent partner. To me, he is a poor mans number 1 Dman

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy:
    WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    COL11
    STL11
    WPG8

    Pacific
    EDM8
    ARI8
    VAN4

    Wildcard
    DAL6
    CGY4

    Out of playoffs
    NSH3
    VEGREVILLE3
    MIN2
    CHI0
    SJS0
    ANA-2
    LAK-7

    CGY is now on a 5 game winning streak.

    They are doing it their usual way, winning in OT.They have the 2nd least regulation wins in the WC (CHI & LAK have 8) with only 9 of their 16 wins being in regulation and the rest in OT.Bettman’s league at its finest.

    They play ARI tonight and there is probably a 96% chance it goes to OT for a 3 point game.

    TOR is at VAN, take the over on that game.Vegreville home to CHI.Fluery might finally start a game.

    Perfect situation, flames tie for the second wild card but miss the playoffs due to less regulations wins – draft 15th overall.

  115. RightInThe5Hole says:

    Dicky94,

    Most likely taking a look at caleb Jones. And maybe Larsson. But how much depth would they really want to give up for a playoff run?

  116. Oilman99 says:

    Lowetide: He was elite until injury. The big worry is injury

    If he cant stay healthy in the minors, there is no way Yamamoto is going to survive in the NHL. It appears his body structure is too fragile to take punishment of the bigger, faster players at the professional level.

  117. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    JimmyV1965,

    This summer Georgexs did a study on team results based on number of top-6 forwards, the results were interesting. Can’t recall the details but the relationship between the number of top-6 forwards and wins wasn’t linear.

  118. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: Exactly.Tough love for McDavid and Draisaitl, for all the defensive coverage errors of the last month.The team comes first.Team defense comes first.If you two don’t back check, I will be forced to play you with players who are willing to backcheck.

    Tippett gave them rope earlier in the last 10 game segment, but the first game back together last night after the injury shuffling, they were back to a lack of commitment to backchecking immediately.

    But back checking is hard when doing 4 1/2 minute shifts!!

  119. Oilin4 says:

    Bill Bellichek – the most control freak coach in the history of professional sports – sure does seem to be unaware of alot of indiscretions occurring under his watch.

  120. Oilman99 says:

    verdad2.0:
    It is absolutely astonishing that there some regular contributors to this site is that still think that Oilers have anything in Bakersfield worth waiting for other than Bouchard.
    Certainly no forward

    If any other team is stupid enough to take any of them, do it asap.

    If any team is willing to take any existing Oiler defenceman other than Bear make that trade asap

    But do something!
    MacDavid and the Oiler fan base deserve better than having the worst forwards in the NHL

    As Koskinen, he is no keeper either
    However short side goals does he have to let in?

    Not sure why you waste your time, and our time spreading a constant trail of verbal diarrhoea on this site.

  121. ArmchairGM says:

    dustrock:
    It’s pretty crazy to think last year’s team was just 1 point back of this year’s squad.

    Boy, did they nosedive.

    1-6-0 from now to the end of the year, then slightly under .500 the rest of the way: 17-20-6. That one stretch…no wonder Lowetide keeps talking about avoiding losing streaks.

  122. Oilin4 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I think we are two forwards away from icing a very competitive team. Although we don’t have a legit #1 dman, I believe as a group they are average to above average. IMO There’s really only a handful of teams they have six legit top six forwards. Am I wrong about this? I wonder if Ken Holland sees it this way?

    +1 A key balancing act will be adding those players to improve the 5v5 without hurting the PK

  123. Oilin4 says:

    dustrock: Perversely, I actually like him better as a rental than a long-term signing.I don’t trust his health and the signing cost.

    If there’s one thing parity has given us, it’s that anybody can get to the Finals, you just need to get into 8th.

    +1 Making a big UFA acquisition for the 29-36 year old seasons of a player who relies on speed, daring, and fearlessness is a fool’s bargain. No way he lives up to his UFA contract beyond 3 years at most.

    Also: Having dead cap 4+ years from now means we have dead cap when trying to retain Drai and McDavid.

    Edit: Signing Hall means you get to do two, but not three, of: 1) Resign Nurse, 2) Lock Bear down long term, 3) Replace Smith, 4) Add forwards to the bottom 6.

  124. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Caleb does mention that he’s playing the right side – clearly Tip/Playfair like Rusty on his natural side as much as possible.

    Who knows which of Jones and Larsson will be up with Klef and which will be with Russ – judging by practice yesterday, they may start with Larsson up with Klef.

    Russell is twice the player playing the left side, his ability to get the puck up the ice from the right side is nonexistent.

  125. OilClog says:

    verdad2.0:
    It is absolutely astonishing that there some regular contributors to this site is that still think that Oilers have anything in Bakersfield worth waiting for other than Bouchard.
    Certainly no forward

    If any other team is stupid enough to take any of them, do it asap.

    If any team is willing to take any existing Oiler defenceman other than Bear make that trade asap

    But do something!
    MacDavid and the Oiler fan base deserve better than having the worst forwards in the NHL

    As Koskinen, he is no keeper either
    However short side goals does he have to let in?

    Perhaps adding some fibre to your diet will ease the pain you’re in.

    Funny you mention the Condors being bare with only Bouchard as a possibility then go on to praise Bear as much as a constipated goal post attendant can possibly give credit. You do realize Bear was a condor last season and had prospects ahead of him in the pecking order.

    It’s amazing some posters can shit themselves with runny theories multiple times in a single post.

    Anywho, Taylor Hall is awesome and stood up for Hemsky, bring him back and name a meatball sub after him.

  126. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I think we are two forwards away from icing a very competitive team. Although we don’t have a legit #1 dman, I believe as a group they are average to above average. IMO There’s really only a handful of teams they have six legit top six forwards. Am I wrong about this? I wonder if Ken Holland sees it this way?

    The most competitive teams have 3 or 4 lines with 50%+ 5v5 goal share and decent special teams.

    I study this intensely as it helps with playoff betting.

    “Legit” to me means “does that line win their goal share”?

    Defence and Goalies play into this a ton obviously but the forwards do too.

    Lots of teams every year have a top 6 that win their goal share.

    A few (like WSH for many years) have a top 6 that all average 60%+ every few years.

  127. geowal says:

    Oilman99: If he cant stay healthy in the minors, there is no way Yamamoto is going to survive in the NHL. It appears his body structure is too fragile to take punishment of the bigger, faster players at the professional level.

    I don’t entirely agree with this. While NHL players are more physically mature and faster in the NHL, a big factor in injury at this level is the amount of dirty/dangerous plays made on him by opposing players, not good clean checks injuring him. Do you think the AHL is better policed/less thuggish than the NHL? I don’t know the answer to this, but I’d suspect the NHL is the softer league. Fewer Tulupov’s kicking around in the majors.

  128. Oilin4 says:

    ArmchairGM: I find it unlikely that Holland would be trying to trade K Russell right now – especially if he’s serious about a playoff run.

    I feel the exact opposite about the first part of the sentence and the exact same about the last part.

  129. Oilin4 says:

    Can we please stop talking about UFA acquisitions? On the books right now are five UFA acquisitions (that were not us resigning our own UFAs)

    Lucic: 6.5M x 4 more years paying off as James Neal
    Andrej Sekara 2.5M x 2 + 1.5M x2 paying off as nothing
    Benoit Pouliot 1.33M x 2 paying off as nothing
    Kyle Brodziak 1.15M x 1 paying off as nothing (UFA years are often injury years)
    Mike Smith 2-3.75M x 2 paying off as a heavily used backup goalie posting league average numbers and trending down

    That’s 13.5-15.25M this year (plus a big hit for many years) for our backup goalie and PP specialist winger. Teams aren’t built with UFAs.

    Edit: Should add another 5 or so largely replacement level wingers for about 5M we all spend most our free time discussing how to replace.

  130. Genjutsu says:

    Side:
    Boston lost to Chicago and the Senators.What an Oilers thing to do.

    I’m sure they have their own verdad and dsf to let them know how horrible their team actually is.

  131. Ryan says:

    Lowetide: This team is about where we should expect it to be, maybe a little ahead. I had them at 88 points as a prediction, the team would be on a pace for 99-to-104 points depending on if they lose tonight. Your point about roster holes is well taken but a team can’t mortgage future assets for another expensive player. The Oilers aren’t one player from a Stanley. They just aren’t.

    Lowetide: This team is about where we should expect it to be, maybe a little ahead. I had them at 88 points as a prediction, the team would be on a pace for 99-to-104 points depending on if they lose tonight. Your point about roster holes is well taken but a team can’t mortgage future assets for another expensive player. The Oilers aren’t one player from a Stanley. They just aren’t.

    Question. Is there still such a thing as a hockey trade?

    Making a trade relative to Ken Holland is often framed with the phrase “can’t mortgage future assets.” Is it that teams don’t make hockey trades anymore or simply that as Oilers fans, the idea of a hockey trade scares the hell out of us?

    Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen. Quality for quality. Need for need. No rentals. No wasted assets.

    Michael Carcone for Josh Leivo. Allan, I’m pretty sure you don’t know much about that Josh Leivo kid.

    Kane, Bogosian, and Kasdorf for Myers, Stafford, and Armia. Heck of a hockey trade.

    Hanafin and Lindholm for Hamilton, Fox and Ferland. Another heck of a hockey trade.

    Cue the trader Pete list. (insert here) cringe. move on to next topic.

    Overall, it seems that cap constraints and other issues are making trades less common, perhaps. Part of the fun of the sport is lost with the lack of trade activity. It does seem to mostly be deadline rentals these days.

    Prior to finding your blog, in the old days half the fun of being a fan was following potential trade rumors online. E2

  132. Caller Zen says:

    Anyone know if Mrazek is in net tonight? I wonder if he’ll get Thorton’d by an Oiler tonight…
    in case anyone missed this one-punch highlite. The first 50 comments on this clip are gold!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBLehASO_2Q

  133. Munny says:

    frjohnk: To me, he is a poor mans number 1 Dman

    And we are definitely a cap-poor team.

  134. pts2pndr says:

    Oilman99: If he cant stay healthy in the minors, there is no way Yamamoto is going to survive in the NHL. It appears his body structure is too fragile to take punishment of the bigger, faster players at the professional level.

    Quick, Duck and cover!?

  135. Cassandra says:

    Not to engage in unfounded speculation but . . .

    The secrecy of the circumstances surrounding the Montgomery firing indicate they are protecting the identity/privacy of someone.

    That leads speculation in an obvious direction . . . this is going to involve alcohol and sex in one way or another.

  136. Munny says:

    I don’t feel particularly comfortable with the abuse Verdad has been taking here recently.

    He’s entitled to his opinion, as pessimistic as it is.

    If you don’t agree, move along. If you feel the need to reply, do so in a reasoned and uninflammatory manner.

    Clearly, LT is okay with Verdad expressing opinions in his comments section. Can we at least respect that?

  137. dustrock says:

    Munny:
    I don’t feel particularly comfortable with the abuse Verdad has been taking here recently.

    He’s entitled to his opinion, as pessimistic as it is.

    If you don’t agree, move along.If you feel the need to reply, do so in a reasoned and uninflammatory manner.

    Clearly, LT is okay with Verdad expressing opinions in his comments section.Can we at least respect that?

    Agreed, doctor.

  138. Darth Tu says:

    Pouzar,

    The biggest issue for me is the taking needless penalties. If you’re stopping a clear scoring chance, then fine, grab away. But, his main job is penalty killer, he’s not supposed to be the one sitting in the box.

    If he calms down the penalties and settles into 4th line work I’ll be happier.

  139. leadfarmer says:

    Oilin4,

    Just because you sign the wrong players doesn’t mean you can’t find good value
    I wanted Donskoi and trade for Burakovsky I know RFA but still
    Donskoi 30 gp 13g 14 a 27 points 3.9 mil per
    Burakovsky 27gp 12g 11a 23 points 3.25 mil
    Some wanted Connolly 29gp 14 g 7a 21 points 3.5 mil per

  140. geowal says:

    Munny,

    Agree. I think he’s been getting more coherent by the day. Lots of hyperbole but the preferred direction is at least clear (try to win now)

  141. geowal says:

    Cassandra:
    Not to engage in unfounded speculation but . . .

    The secrecy of the circumstances surrounding the Montgomery firing indicate they are protecting the identity/privacy of someone.

    That leads speculation in an obvious direction . . .this is going to involve alcohol and sex in one way or another.

    Wouldn’t you think that’s potentially criminal, which they said it wasn’t?

  142. unca miltie says:

    Oilman99: If he cant stay healthy in the minors, there is no way Yamamoto is going to survive in the NHL. It appears his body structure is too fragile to take punishment of the bigger, faster players at the professional level.

    My recollection of the comments when Yamo was drafted that it would take 3 or 4 years for him to be NHL ready because of his size and need to get his man strength. That seems to be playing out.
    On another note, one of my co=workers best friends had a son that played in Spokane. I remember them coming back from games there, speaking very highly about Yamo. I would like to see how it plays out.

  143. JimmyV1965 says:

    Oilin4:
    Can we please stop talking about UFA acquisitions? On the books right now are five UFA acquisitions (that were not us resigning our own UFAs)

    Lucic: 6.5M x 4 more years paying off as James Neal
    Andrej Sekara 2.5M x 2 + 1.5M x2 paying off as nothing
    Benoit Pouliot 1.33M x 2 paying off as nothing
    Kyle Brodziak 1.15M x 1 paying off as nothing (UFA years are often injury years)
    Mike Smith 2-3.75M x 2 paying off as a heavily used backup goalie posting league average numbers and trending down

    That’s 13.5-15.25M this year (plus a big hit for many years) for our backup goalie and PP specialist winger. Teams aren’t built with UFAs.

    Edit: Should add another 5 or so largely replacement level wingers for about 5M we all spend most our free time discussing how to replace.

    +1000

  144. Oilin4 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Oilin4,

    Just because you sign the wrong players doesn’t mean you can’t find good value
    I wanted Donskoi and trade for Burakovsky I know RFA but still
    Donskoi 30 gp 13g 14 a 27 points 3.9 mil per
    Burakovsky 27gp 12g 11a 23 points 3.25 mil
    Some wanted Connolly 29gp 14 g 7a 21 points 3.5 mil per

    One of those is an RFA, so irrelevant to my point.

    The other two are 32 games into year 1 of a multi-year deal. Check back this time in 2021. I doubt those contracts look so good now.

    Edit: Both those players are 2 years younger than Hall will be when he hits FA. Years under 30 are worth much more than years over 30, as anyone more than a few years over 30 knows from personal experience.

  145. PennersPancakes says:

    Oilin4: Andrej Sekara 2.5M x 2 + 1.5M x2 paying off as nothing
    Benoit Pouliot 1.33M x 2 paying off as nothing
    Kyle Brodziak 1.15M x 1 paying off as nothing (UFA years are often injury years)
    Mike Smith 2-3.75M x 2 paying off as a heavily used backup goalie posting league average numbers and trending down

    Serious injuries but was the best dman on the team for a few years.
    Should have never been bought out, at the very least one year later.
    Injuries but would have been easy to bury
    1 year not 2.

  146. Oilin4 says:

    PennersPancakes: Serious injuries but was the best dman on the team for a few years.
    Should have never been bought out, at the very least one year later.
    Injuries but would have been easy to bury
    1 year not 2.

    Injuries are part of getting old. That’s the point!

    Sekera: Absolutely, but you ALWAYS wind up with dead cap on a UFA.
    Pouliot: Did next to nothing for Buffalo in the year in question. Even then, we’re still paying for it though.
    Brodziak: See above.
    Smith: Oops. Typo.

    Prediction: Will make a LT bet with any takers. Taylor Hall will not play 60% of the games he’s paid for on his next contract.

  147. flyfish1168 says:

    Curious if Petr Mrazek will be in net tonight. If he is will he be more selective who he swings his stick at.

  148. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    dustrock,

    geowal,

    Munny,

    – One day Holland will be gone: GMs always get fired: just depends when, so Verdad is right

    – If Chia still here had signed Hass, Arhicbald, Sheahan, Nygard, Jurco, Smith: another batch of hot-garbage specials this would be awful place to be

    – Neal for Lucic has been a bonus (and Neal is nightmare useless if he isn’t scoring)

    – The draft and develops and health are why we are here (and a GM that isn’t sh%tting bed)

    – Holland is just meh, and that’s fine. Better goaltending becasue better D, a healthy Drai and CmD, hope that some other kids arrive. That’s what i expected when we got him.

  149. ashley says:

    Didn’t Taylor Hall give an interview in the summer that he is planning to test free agency?

    This is probably what he told Shero, so Shero is looking to get what he can for him.

    I think trading for a “signed Hall” is not an available option. Rental only.

    If that is the case, I agree with LT. Let him get rented somewhere else. They will get a good prospect or pick for him. Let’s not give up our precious assets to try to fill the gaping holes on this team for a couple of months and what will be a weak playoff team – if we make it.

    It’s like giving away the company cement truck and mixer to get someone to plug one of seven large holes in the dam. We are going to need the cement truck and mixer for the other holes.

  150. Side says:

    Munny:
    I don’t feel particularly comfortable with the abuse Verdad has been taking here recently.

    He’s entitled to his opinion, as pessimistic as it is.

    If you don’t agree, move along.If you feel the need to reply, do so in a reasoned and uninflammatory manner.

    Clearly, LT is okay with Verdad expressing opinions in his comments section.Can we at least respect that?

    Because verdad is a troll who often copies and pastes the same nonsense and rarely ever engages in any meaningful discussion. I would not be surprised if verdad was someone’s alternate account they use just so they can troll. You are assuming verdad is a unique person who is using his account to express opinions he actually feels, which seems unlikely. It seems more likely he is someone’s alternate account, or just someone who has nothing better to do and created a troll account to copy and paste the same nonsense just to see what happens.

  151. Darth Tu says:

    Oilin4:

    Years under 30 are worth much more than years over 30, as anyone more than a few years over 30 knows from personal experience.

    This has to be one of the most depressing things I have read this week. Also shockingly true. I’m 35, and I found out the hard way last year when I got back into 11-aside soccer. I hadn’t played since I lived in Scotland, (5 years previous). I was always one of the faster players in games, I’m now getting passed by everyone when I’m running flat out.

    I’m still reasonably fit, but apparently jogging/cycling for distance really destroys your sprint.

    I agree on the FA acquisition front. I’m extremely wary of signing up players entering their 30s on long term deals.

  152. Oilin4 says:

    Darth Tu: This has to be one of the most depressing things I have read this week. Also shockingly true. I’m 35, and I found out the hard way last year when I got back into 11-aside soccer.I hadn’t played since I lived in Scotland, (5 years previous).I was always one of the faster players in games, I’m now getting passed by everyone when I’m running flat out.

    I’m still reasonably fit, but apparently jogging/cycling for distance really destroys your sprint.

    I agree on the FA acquisition front.I’m extremely wary of signing up players entering their 30s on long term deals.

    I’m with you. For me it was 6 a side indoor. And skiing. Boy do I hate (and simultaneously love) skiing.

  153. PennersPancakes says:

    Oilin4: Injuries are part of getting old. That’s the point!

    Sekera: Absolutely, but you ALWAYS wind up with dead cap on a UFA.
    Pouliot: Did next to nothing for Buffalo in the year in question. Even then, we’re still paying for it though.
    Brodziak: See above.
    Smith: Oops. Typo.

    Prediction: Will make a LT bet with any takers. Taylor Hall will not play 60% of the games he’s paid for on his next contract.

    I mean I think you’re right on Hall. For the Oilers Lucic was an awful bet. Pouliot an over pay. Brodziak and Smith were meh but Sekera was a good signing.

    I think there should be extra caution with UFA and a prioritization on keeping your own guys signed before them but that doesnt mean all UFA contracts are bad. Every year theres good and bad and for the most part you can tell the moment its signed.

  154. Oilin4 says:

    PennersPancakes: I mean I think you’re right on Hall. For the Oilers Lucic was an awful bet. Pouliot an over pay. Brodziak and Smith were meh but Sekera was a good signing.

    I think there should be extra caution with UFA and a prioritization on keeping your own guys signed before them but that doesnt mean all UFA contracts are bad. Every year theres good and bad and for the most part you can tell the moment its signed.

    I absolutely agree with you Sekera was a good signing. My point is, even the best case scenario wound up with us eating dead cap for 4(!) years. Not to mention a pretty hefty hit for a bottom pair defender last year.

    Edit: Dead cap on any UFAs signed for the next few years likely ties our hands when trying to resign Drai and McD.

    Edit #2: I rarely wish ill will on any non-Flames players or fans, but every year I hope our GM picks up a really nasty virus (one that lasts 10-14 days) on his way home from the draft

  155. dustrock says:

    geowal: Wouldn’t you think that’s potentially criminal, which they said it wasn’t?

    No, it could be unprofessional and inappropriate, without going into the realm of criminal activity.

  156. Ben says:

    Man, if all three Oil drafted dmen from rounds 4-5-6 turn out to be regulars that is astonishing.

    Hard to compute that they could get so much out of a draft that they fucked up so thoroughly.

  157. Harpers Hair says:

    Darth Tu: Is this a clean disposition of Montgomery?

    And material.

  158. Harpers Hair says:

    jtblack:
    outside of Edmonton’s top line, no forward has more than 7 Even Strength Points … uh ok ….

    LT was banging on the Josh Leivo drum for a while. Could have been had for a bag of pucks … He has 13 ES points in VAN ….

    IMO those type of adds can make a big difference to overall balanced scoring.Edmonton needs to find 1 or 2 Josh Leivo’s .. and soon …

    For Reference here are some other prominent players and their ES points.

    DRAI (leads league) – 33
    STAMKOS – 15
    STONE – 13
    JVR – 13
    HALL – 13
    HAYES – 13
    KADRI – 13

    Leivo was signed for $1.5 Million.

    Vancouver actually found two Leivo’s in one season.

    Tanner Pearson has 11EV points and 3SH.

    And they were able to shed Erik Gudbranson in the process.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley: Interesting.

    I find it unlikely a rebuilding team would wantto continue their rebuild with a soon to be 33 year old shot blocker. And not a cheap shot blocker, either.

    Who is rebuilding?

    The Oilers?

  160. Oilin4 says:

    Harpers Hair: Vancouver actually found two Leivo’s in one season.

    Tanner Pearson has 11EV points and 3SH.

    And they were able to shed Erik Gudbranson in the process.

    *cough* Michael Ferland *cough*

    Hacks and horks.

    *cough* Jay Beagle *cough*

    Nearly incapable of holding his breath.

    Shouts: Antoine Roussel!!!!!!!

  161. Justthestatsman says:

    verdad2.0:
    It is absolutely astonishing that there some regular contributors to this site is that still think that Oilers have anything in Bakersfield worth waiting for other than Bouchard.
    Certainly no forward

    If any other team is stupid enough to take any of them, do it asap.

    If any team is willing to take any existing Oiler defenceman other than Bear make that trade asap

    But do something!
    MacDavid and the Oiler fan base deserve better than having the worst forwards in the NHL

    As Koskinen, he is no keeper either
    However short side goals does he have to let in?

    I’ll admit to being confused at what you’re saying. On numerous occasions you’ve suggested that most of the team should be put on waivers, presumably to be picked up by another team or to be sent to Bakersfield.. Now you’re saying there’s only one player worth bringing up from Bakersfield. Who are you thinking will be playing on the team and where are you thinking they’ll be coming from?

  162. jtblack says:

    Harpers Hair: Vancouver actually found two Leivo’s in one season.

    Tanner Pearson has 11EV points and 3SH.

    And they were able to shed Erik Gudbranson in the process.

    I thin VAN had an aggressive and good off season .. better than years past …

    They have a great young core and Miller has been lights out … .I am curious if they can stay in the battle this year for a playoff spot ….they should be able to ..

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    Missed this on Sunday but Konovalov stopped 23 of 25 in a 3-2 win.

    Also, Brogerg had an assist in a 3-2 Skelfeeta win this weekend. He only played 12 minutes though and, really, I think his TOI is a better indicator than an assist…..

    Berglund’s push still on at close to 20 minutes.

  164. Munny says:

    Side: Because verdad is a troll who often copies and pastes the same nonsense and rarely ever engages in any meaningful discussion.I would not be surprised if verdad was someone’s alternate account they use just so they can troll. You are assuming verdad is a unique person who is using his account to express opinions he actually feels, which seems unlikely.It seems more likely he is someone’s alternate account, or just someone who has nothing better to do and created a troll account to copy and paste the same nonsense just to see what happens.

    If you feel that way then scroll past his posts.

    The only arbiter of who is and is not a troll is LT.

    Apparently you disagree with LT’s take.

    Fair enough. But yelling into the wind serves no purpose. Verdad isn’t going anywhere, in fact IIRC, he’s actually been posting here longer than you. Just scroll past him if you don’t like his opinion and how it is expressed.

    I personally see no trolling in his posts. They’re valid opinions. If he’s trolling anything, its the org and Holland, not us.

  165. Harpers Hair says:

    Oilin4: *cough* Michael Ferland *cough*

    Hacks and horks.

    *cough* Jay Beagle *cough*

    Nearly incapable of holding his breath.

    Shouts: Antoine Roussel!!!!!!!

    Ferland and Beagle have been fine when healthy.

    Roussell has 3 goals in the 2 games he’s played.

    The player he replaced in the lineup is Marcus Granlund who has 3 goals in 27 games.

    And don’t even get me started on Sheehan, Archibald and Patrick Russell who have combined to score 2 goals in 76 games played.

  166. Oilin4 says:

    Harpers Hair: Ferland and Beagle have been fine when healthy.

    Roussell has 3 goals in the 2 games he’s played.

    The player he replaced in the lineup is Marcus Granlund who has 3 goals in 27 games.

    And don’t even get me started on Sheehan, Archibald and Patrick Russell who have combined to score 2 goals in 76 games played.

    Ferland, Beagle, and Roussel. You can keep em. Good luck.

    Edit: Defining Jay Beagle’s play as ‘fine’ is revealing.

  167. Harpers Hair says:

    jtblack: I thin VAN had an aggressive and good off season .. better than years past …

    They havea great young core and Miller has been lights out … .I am curious if they can stay in the battle this year for a playoff spot ….they should be able to ..

    Only Edler and Sutter out with injury now so we should get a better idea of who they are.

  168. Harpers Hair says:

    Oilin4: Ferland, Beagle, and Roussel. You can keep em. Good luck.

    Edit: Defining Jay Beagle’s play as ‘fine’ is revealing.

    Beagle’s role is as a defensive shut down player allowing Horvat some clean air.

    He’s winning 58.7% of his face-offs and is at 56% Dzone starts.

    He’s doing the job when healthy.

  169. Alpine says:

    Harpers Hair: Ferland and Beagle have been fine when healthy.

    Roussell has 3 goals in the 2 games he’s played.

    The player he replaced in the lineup is Marcus Granlund who has 3 goals in 27 games.

    And don’t even get me started on Sheehan, Archibald and Patrick Russell who have combined to score 2 goals in 76 games played.

    Heh, I guess that’s the difference between spending 9.5 mil on the first group and 4 mil on the second group. You get, uh, a single goal each from Ferlund and Beagle.

  170. tileguy says:

    Oilin4: Injuries are part of getting old. That’s the point!

    Sekera: Absolutely, but you ALWAYS wind up with dead cap on a UFA.
    Pouliot: Did next to nothing for Buffalo in the year in question. Even then, we’re still paying for it though.
    Brodziak: See above.
    Smith: Oops. Typo.

    Prediction: Will make a LT bet with any takers. Taylor Hall will not play 60% of the games he’s paid for on his next contract.

    Who is going to remember this bet in 2027? Some of us will be dead

  171. Side says:

    Munny: If you feel that way then scroll past his posts.

    The only arbiter of who is and is not a troll is LT.

    Apparently you disagree with LT’s take.

    Fair enough. But yelling into the wind serves no purpose.Verdad isn’t going anywhere, in fact IIRC, he’s actually been posting here longer than you.Just scroll past him if you don’t like his opinion and how it is expressed.

    I personally see no trolling in his posts.They’re valid opinions.If he’s trolling anything, its the org and Holland, not us.

    Why would I scroll by? I am actually enjoying feeding his comments into a neural network and reposting the “finished” versions. Verdad’s way of posting gives me some amusement. As you mentioned, LT is clearly fine with how people have responded to verdad and like you said, if you don’t like the interactions between verdad and other posters you too, can scroll by the posts.

    Additionally, that’s a bold assumption that verdad has been posting here longer. Can you confirm I haven’t had any accounts in the past?

    Finally, I have seen verdad copy and paste “Darnell Nurse is trash, trade him yesterday, Holland is an idle incompetent” about 10 times and that’s basically the depth of most of his posts.

    That’s 100% trolling, and given how you seem to be on top of who posts what, when and for how long, I am surprised you have missed these posts.

  172. v4ance says:

    jtblack: Was your senior year Grade 8 or Grade 9?

    Reminds me of a guy in our town in Saskatchewan. His highest grade was Grade 9 but he liked it so much, he was there for 3 1/2 years before they kicked him out!

  173. dustrock says:

    v4ance: Reminds me of a guy in our town in Saskatchewan.His highest grade was Grade 9 but he liked it so much, he was there for 3 1/2 years before they kicked him out!

    Similar to the joke about engineering being the worst 4 or the best 7 years of your life

  174. v4ance says:

    Darth Tu: Is this a clean disposition of Montgomery?

    Clean disposition? Yes.

    The language used was that Montgomery was “dismissed” AKA “fired” which means they’re not paying for the rest of his contract. If it said “relieved of duties” then they would still be paying the remainder.

  175. v4ance says:

    dustrock: Similar to the joke about engineering being the worst 4 or the best 7 years of your life

    I’m sorry but I resemble that remark! Took 9 years to finish my engineering degree! (thru 3 schools and an internship) Good thing I’m not a practicing enginneer!

    On the other hand, I’m really good at foosball, pool and Diablo 1

  176. verdad2.0 says:

    Side,

    I am a real person and an Oiler fan since their inception
    My critique is unyielding and it is coreect
    Chiarelli was always an incompetent
    And Holland is an inert incompetent
    We are wasting MacDavid and Draistal and Holland is indifferent to the team’s demise

    What you call “trolling” is just economy of expression and brutal truth

  177. Oilin4 says:

    tileguy: Who is going to remember this bet in 2027? Some of us will be dead

    There’s this thing called the internet. It holds a large repository of information from a very long time that you can then go and look up in the future. I’m about to blow your mind: You’re on it right now!!!!

  178. elgruntus says:

    verdad2.0:
    Side,

    What you call “trolling” is just economy of expression and brutal truth

    Green Eggs and Ham contains just 50 words. That…is economy of expression. I also like that I can spell most of them.

  179. Material Elvis says:

    verdad2.0:
    Side,

    I am a real person and an Oiler fan since their inception
    My critique is unyielding and it is coreect
    Chiarelli was always an incompetent
    And Holland is an inert incompetent
    We are wasting MacDavid and Draistal and Holland is indifferent to the team’s demise

    What you call “trolling” is just economy of expression and brutal truth

    Your posts aren’t so much a critique as they are a complaint. You repeat the same tired message on every post. Control C, Control V. You *never* offer any solutions or clever trade ideas. Just ‘DO SOMETHING!’, ‘YOR AN INCOMPETENT’, etc. If you actually thought about the situation: cap constraints and lack of tradeable assets on the Oilers side of the equation, and *then* realized that the other teams are not going to give away their good players, then perhaps you would realize that your posts are much closer to trolling than critiquing.

  180. Pouzar says:

    Go Schooners Go!

  181. geowal says:

    Side: Additionally, that’s a bold assumption that verdad has been posting here longer. Can you confirm I haven’t had any accounts in the past?

    He’s been here so long he’s on to 2.0!

  182. ArmchairGM says:

    elgruntus: Green Eggs and Ham contains just 50 words. That…is economy of expression. I also like that I can spell most of them.

    I’m gonna frame this.

  183. Oilin4 says:

    elgruntus: Green Eggs and Ham contains just 50 words. That…is economy of expression. I also like that I can spell most of them.

    This is some quality shade.

  184. Side says:

    verdad2.0:
    Side,

    I am a real person and an Oiler fan since their inception
    My critique is unyielding and it is coreect
    Chiarelli was always an incompetent
    And Holland is an inert incompetent
    We are wasting MacDavid and Draistal and Holland is indifferent to the team’s demise

    What you call “trolling” is just economy of expression and brutal truth

    This is like the scene in the horror movie where the demon possessing the child is trying to convince everyone that there is nothing wrong or out of the ordinary.

    Until tomorrow when your head spins around and vomits

    “DARNELL NURSE IS TRASH”

    onto the thread.

  185. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers Death March™ Update:

    We’re currently looking for suggestions!

    Any suggestions/comments re improving the http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com website please send to: http://www.hunter2909@Safe-mail.net

    Thank you for your cooperation

  186. Oilin4 says:

    hunter1909:
    Oilers Death March™ Update:

    We’re currently looking for suggestions!

    Any suggestions/comments re improving the http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com website please send to: http://www.hunter2909@Safe-mail.net

    Thank you for your cooperation

    The banner photo of an actual death march is a *bit* over the top.

  187. Sierra says:

    Justthestatsman: I’ll admit to being confused at what you’re saying.On numerous occasions you’ve suggested that most of the team should be put on waivers, presumably to be picked up by another team or to be sent to Bakersfield..Now you’re saying there’s only one player worth bringing up from Bakersfield.Who are you thinking will be playing on the team and where are you thinking they’ll be coming from?

    Don’t forget trades. Who does Verdad think Holland should trade away for better players?

  188. Munny says:

    geowal: He’s been here so long he’s on to 2.0!

    Verdad is 2.0 because he was banned in the past in an ugly scene where people were bashing him, and he lashed back at them. As you can imagine, he wasn’t the only one timed out. (I don’t know if he changed his name because he forgot his password after that or what the case was, but he returned as 2.0)

    I’m hoping we can avoid a similar outcome and be bigger people..

  189. JimmyV1965 says:

    Material Elvis: Your posts aren’t so much a critique as they are a complaint.You repeat the same tired message on every post.Control C, Control V.You *never* offer any solutions or clever trade ideas.Just ‘DO SOMETHING!’,‘YOR AN INCOMPETENT’, etc.If you actually thought about the situation: cap constraints and lack of tradeable assets on the Oilers side of the equation, and *then* realized that the other teams are not going to give away their good players, then perhaps you would realize that your posts are much closer to trolling than critiquing.

    My fave is waive all the players; something that isn’t even possible to do with 50 contracts and all that technical stuff.

  190. DJCLDN says:

    Tippett looks like he is starting to age in the Oilers coach hotseat. Happily for him he’s making the big bucks.

  191. geowal says:

    Munny,

    Yes I vaguely remember 1.0 too

  192. McSorley33 says:

    ArmchairGM: I think he’ll be traded in the summer, after his signing bonus gets paid out. And while he’s overpaid, he’s exactly the type of veteran player you need for the playoffs. He goes to war night after night, that’s something this team needs more of.

    Agreed – just don’t see a fit with rebuilding teams like Ottawa or New Jersey, etc..

  193. northerndancer says:

    hunter1909:
    Oilers Death March™ Update:

    We’re currently looking for suggestions!

    Any suggestions/comments re improving the http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com website please send to: http://www.hunter2909@Safe-mail.net

    Thank you for your cooperation

    Hunter, I believe that you spelled John Doe incorrectly (x30). Should it not be spelled Verdad2.0?
    And I agree, the March photo may be a tad over the top. Or more.

  194. McSorley33 says:

    Cassandra:
    Not to engage in unfounded speculation but . . .

    The secrecy of the circumstances surrounding the Montgomery firing indicate they are protecting the identity/privacy of someone.

    That leads speculation in an obvious direction . . .this is going to involve alcohol and sex in one way or another.

    Don’t all good scandals?

  195. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Remember when Matt Benning was a revelation 22YO rookie Dman for Edmonton in 2016-17, and we talked about extending him long term while he was cheap?

    Maybe EDM’s pumping the breaks on extending 22YO rookie revelation Ethan Bear quite yet, and for good reason.

  196. Side says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Remember when Matt Benning was a revelation 22YO rookie Dman for Edmonton in 2016-17, and we talked about extending him long term while he was cheap?

    Maybe EDM’s pumping the breaks on extending 22YO rookie revelation Ethan Bear quite yet, and for good reason.

    I can’t remember, was that before or after Benning’s multiple head injuries?

  197. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Who is rebuilding?

    The Oilers?

    New Jersey

  198. who says:

    godot10: Exactly.Tough love for McDavid and Draisaitl, for all the defensive coverage errors of the last month.The team comes first.Team defense comes first.If you two don’t back check, I will be forced to play you with players who are willing to backcheck.

    Tippett gave them rope earlier in the last 10 game segment, but the first game back together last night after the injury shuffling, they were back to a lack of commitment to backchecking immediately.

    Nail on the head right here.

  199. Wonder Llama says:

    hunter1909:
    Oilers Death March™ Update:

    We’re currently looking for suggestions!

    Any suggestions/comments re improving the http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com website please send to: http://www.hunter2909@Safe-mail.net

    Thank you for your cooperation

    Is it weird that when I read “Thank you for your cooperation” I hear the voice of Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow?

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