2019-20 Game 59: Oilers at Hurricanes

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers are 2-1-0 so far of Week 1 in hell without Connor McDavid, and finding out about themselves. I’m going to stop short of calling this a blessing, but there’s a chance the captain returns to a team that feels able to carry more of the load. Today, the club is in Raleigh to play the Hurricanes. It’s a schedule loss. If this Oilers team grabs even one point? Music!

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Stepping out and up, Leon Draisaitl puts himself in the Hart Trophy mix in Connor McDavid’s absence
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Despite ‘transformation’ with Oilers, Zack Kassian’s on-ice actions come under scrutiny again
  • Jonathan Willis: Why the Oilers are playing their best 5-on-5 hockey of the season
  • Lowetide: Making sense of the Oilers defensive depth chart for the stretch run and the summer
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘It was reactionary’: Oilers’ Zack Kassian addresses alleged kick; Lightning depth strikes; and Kailer Yamamoto’s big game
  • Jonathan Willis: 10 overlooked trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: Why Connor McDavid’s injury is unlikely to alter Ken Holland’s trade deadline plan for the Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘We want to take it as a challenge’: Oilers survive first game without McDavid as room for improvement remains
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Trying to make sense of Connor McDavid’s injury and Darnell Nurse’s new contract with Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Faced with uncertainty, Oilers hedge their bet on Darnell Nurse
  • Lowetide: Oilers sign Darnell Nurse
  • Lowetide: The Oilers trading their first-round pick is a bad idea
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 15 potential trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: Drilling down on right-handed centres for the Oilers to target before the trade deadline
  • Lowetide: If fast is the new big, the Oilers are trending in a very good direction
  • Lowetide: Why the Oilers are more likely to trade Adam Larsson than Kris Russell
  • Lowetide: Oilers prospects Evan Bouchard and Tyler Benson deliver best minor league performances in 20 years
  • Jonathan Willis: An updated list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20

OILERS AFTER 59 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015-16: 22-31-6, 50 points; goal differential -30
  • Oilers in 2016-17: 32-19-8, 72 points; goal differential +14
  • Oilers in 2017-18: 24-31-4, 52 points; goal differential -34
  • Oilers in 2018-19: 24-29-6, 54 points; goal differential -25
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 31-21-6, 68 points; goal differential +4

Yesterday’s victory gives the team a little room to breathe, and the template for today’s game. I don’t imagine these players will have the legs from yesterday, but manic forechecking, contesting every puck and blocking lanes sure works well for this group.

ON THE TENS

  • First 10 games: 7-2-1
  • Second 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Third 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Fourth 10 games: 3-6-1
  • Fifth 10 games: 6-2-2
  • Current 10 games: 5-3-0

The fifth win in this segment ensures the team will grab a point per game, finishing against Carolina and Boston made yesterday’s result even more important.

THE OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-6-0, four points; goal differential -17
  • Oilers in February 2017: 4-4-0, eight points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in February 2018: 1-6-1, three points; goal differential -5
  • Oilers in February 2019: 1-5-2, four points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in February 2020: 4-3-0, eight points; goal differential +2

The two playoff teams (well, the one playoff team and this year) have long since separated from the rest, and if anything this year’s team has been stronger in the goal differential. Encouraging.

OILERS 2019-20

The top line is playing at an elite level, absolutely breathtaking on the forecheck. There’s no air between the faceoff circles and the end boards at the opposition end when the trio gets their motor running. Sounds crazy to say Yamamoto is the key but his quickness allows him to be (practically) in two places at one time. All numbers five on five, via NaturalStatTrick.

LINE 1 Nuge-Leon Draisaitl-Kailer Yamamoto played 14:46, going 18-7 Corsi, 8-4 shots, 2-0 goals and 3-1 HDSC. At five on five this line played more than the second and third line combined.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has been in the NHL for nine years and this might be the best we’ve seen him. My oh my what an effective player. Two assists, three shots, one HDSC, on the right side of the puck, great vision. Effective on PK. Leon Draisaitl had a goal (plus an assist but not at five on five) along with three shots, a HDSC, and won 11 of 26 in the faceoff circle. His long pass to Yamamoto in the first period was stunning. Yamamoto had two assists, an EN goal, three shots, HDSC, GV, TK, and the Panthers defensemen will be having nightmares about him for a week. Wow.

LINE 2 Tyler Benson-Riley Sheahan-Josh Archibald played 7:28, going 9-7 Corsi, 4-6 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC.

Tyler Benson had a good game. Dave Tippett mentioned his impressive showing in the post game. Two shots, one HDSC, won a faceoff and made several impressive passes. Went to the net with authority with seven minutes left, that’s a very good sign. Benson can play with skill because he sees things early. He is fast enough to reach the play, and given time, he sends the puck to a good place. Getting that extra time will be key, he’ll get there just needs the game to slow down for him. Riley Sheahan had a shot, giveaway, won just two of eight faceoffs. Did his best work on the PK. Josh Archibald had two shots, two takeaways and took a late penalty that was two but might have been four. He was all over the ice and is a positive contributor most every night. Sign the man. Great get in free agency.

LINE 3 Jujhar Khaira-Colby Cave-Patrick Russell played 7:33, going 4-8 Corsi, 3-3 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC. Seemed to be chasing quite a bit to my eye and scoring chances were 0-5 for the line.

Jujhar Khaira’s most notable moment came when he decided to fight Gigantor Josh Brown. He had one shot on goal and drew a penalty. Also took a minor but it was a silly call by the official. He had two great chances in the third, still can’t believe he didn’t cash on the Leon rebound. The Gods must be crazy. His game is coming around to my eye. Colby Cave had a takeaway and won two of three on the dot, he doesn’t do enough to justify the roster spot. Patrick Russell had two shots, a takeaway, blocked two shots and was a general pain in the ass.

LINE 4 Sam Gagner-Gaetan Haas-Alex Chiasson played 6:45, going 5-7 Corsi, 3-3 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC.

Sam Gagner had a clean slate in nine minutes five on five, he did make a few good passes (to Chiasson) but didn’t post any crooked numbers. Gaetan Haas won two of five on the dot and had one good look but couldn’t get all his arms and legs to go in the same direction. Alex Chiasson was the star of the line, he had two shots and two clear looks at the net but couldn’t cash. Oilers need him to score some goals.

PAIRING ONE Oscar Klefbom and Adam Larsson played 15:34, going 15-15 Corsi, 6-9 shots, no goals and 1-1 HDSC. Larsson scored his goal when paired with Darnell Nurse. Played 9:39 against Huberdeau, 8:22 against Barkov.

Oscar Klefbom had one shot, three shot blocks and sent the puck in a good direction. His attention to detail is the best on the club among defensemen. Adam Larsson scored his first goal of the season, played a physical game and held the line well.

PAIRING TWO Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 14:58, going 12-12 Corsi, 9-4 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC. Played 6:10 against Barkov, 4:13 against Huberdeau.

Darnell Nurse had a good game, scoring an EN goal, two shots at five on five, a takeaway and using his speed to advantage at both ends of the ice. He’s gotten into a bad icing habit. Ethan Bear continues to do terrific things. He was being harassed behind the net and out the right side by a giant Panthers forward, won the battle and got the puck to safety under control. Big league play. One shot, giveaway, effective passing and on defense.

PAIRING THREE Caleb Jones and Matt Benning played 8:15, going 6-8 Corsi, 4-4 shots, no goals and 1-1 HDSC. Played 45 seconds against Barkov, 31 seconds against Huberdeau. Oilers haven’t line matched this well since MacTavish.

Caleb Jones is seeing the game in easier mode now, you can see the game has slowed down for him. Sent a brilliant pass through the legs of a Panthers forward to Leon last night, which serves as an announcement of arrival. Jones had two giveaways, but played well in all areas. Matt Benning dealt a clean hit to Aleksandr Barkov and had to fight because of it, I worry about him. He played a quiet, effective game. This pairing may be forced to play more in Carolina.

GOALIE Mikko Koskinen had a strong game, stopping 33 of 34, .971. He has barely played since January, one hopes he gets some more game action in the weeks to come. Massive save on Huberdeau with 16 minutes left. That was 1971 Ken Dryden. Oh my.

CONDORS 2019-20

It’s pretty dire now, most of the quality is in Edmonton. No organization wants to leave the farm team high and dry like this but we are here. It’s interesting to see who remains in the battle, a guy like Josh Currie seems to be thriving in this situation. Condors play again this afternoon.

YAMAMOTO

What a player. On the Draisaitl goal, Yamamoto did something you can’t teach, and that’s finding a good spot near the action. You can say “it was a fluke that the rebound came to him” but man that’s the game. He went to a high danger area, got his stick on the puck and it ended well. And you know what? If he did that once a game you could say I’m cherry picking. Yamamoto does it every shift. He is exceeding every expectation created for him since draft day.

BENSON

He found some traction yesterday. Had a chance to showcase his considerable passing skills, showed up in time for enough plays that we don’t worry as much about his skating. Had a look, one of these times he’ll cash. I don’t know what the ideal window for recall is on prospects, probably a different due date for each player. I think Benson’s been ready for some time, but he didn’t look it at home. This road trip, this opportunity, looks heaven sent from here. Best of all, he took advantage yesterday. Now, he needs to do it again.

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OriginalPouzar

I think many were hoping to grab a couple of points out of back to back afternoon road games (although some/many weren’t overly confidant in the team’s ability to do that) – well, mission accomplished.

Now its time to get some gravy points!

The 3rd game in 4 nights on the road including the 2nd half of back to backs is what they define as “scheduled loss”.   This one is also the 4th game in 6th to make it tougher. 

I say eff “scheduled loss” – I have confidence this team can grind out a point if not two and earn themselves a couple days rest before they battle the Bruins.

I’m sure we see Smith today but that was a big game from Mikko last night – not only to help get those specific two points but to “get him going” as we’ll need him to be on his game down the stretch.

I’ve got to think Granny will get in the lineup for either P. Russell or Hass.

Go Oilers!

Woodguy v2.0

WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

Central
STL 16
COL 15
DAL 15

Lolorific
VAN 11
EDM 10
VGP 8

Wildcard
NSH 6
CGY 6

Ouf of playoffs
ARI 5
WPG 4
MIN 3
CHI 2
SJS -2
ANA -4
LAK -12

-COL has one less gp than DAL
-NSH has three less gp than CGY

Relevant games today:

EDM (+175) at CAR (-210) – Never say never, but 3rd in 4 days in 3 different cities and 2nd of back to back for EDM is a tough row to hoe.

ANA (+145) at VAN (-165) – Line looks close, I think VAN has a bit of value

STL (-105) at NSH (-115) – I have no idea what NSH will do for any given game.

CHI (+120) at WPG (-140) – I know they played last night in CGY but CHI had 2 days off before. They have been playing really well and WPG has trouble defending the slot. Fading Hellebuyck, go figure.

N64

Thanks for the daily hit.

I’ve given up on hockey reference. They are missing the pts from the Fla game and show

2019-20 Edmonton Oilers Roster and Statistics
Record: 30-21-6 (66 points), 2nd in NHL Pacific Division (Schedule and Results)

Last Game: L 1-3 vs. TBL
Next Game: Sunday, Feb. 16 vs. CAR

flyfish1168

This is one of the games in hand that they are playing. Would be nice to grab a point or two to help solidify playoff position. We have been good in afternoon and back to back games. So here is hoping.

OriginalPouzar

Excited to watch my first game since Jan on a real TV – get me off this plane – 3 hours to get home, get all the groceries and do a solid 90 minutes of food prep before the 2 pm start.

With some good fortune and another full team effort (and solid tending), the Oil will be in first place in the Pacific by sundown.

Woodguy v2.0

EC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

Atlantic
BOS 25
TBY 24
TOR 11

Metropolitan
WSH 21
PIT 20
NYI 15

Wildcard
CAR 12
CBJ 12

Out of playoffs
PHI 12
FLA 8
NYR 7
BUF 2
MTL 1
NJD -5
OTT -9
DET -28

-CBJ & PHI have identical records and 23 regulation wins each. Tie broken by ROW, where CBJ has 3 more OT wins.
-CAR has 2 less gp to beat both

Relevant wildcard games today:

EDM (+175) at CAR (-210) – 3rd in 4 days in 3 different cities and 2nd of back to back for EDM. Line is probably a touch heavy on CAR, but not by much.

CBJ (-150) at NJD (+130) – Jack Adams has lost 4 in a row with a depleted roster and NJD is playing better. I think NJD has a bit of value here.

TOR (-170) at BUF (+125) – TOR played last night, but should win this. Andersson probably gets his first start after coming off IR.

geowal

RIP Tony Fernandez

Woodguy v2.0

As a rule I avoid parlays when betting as they are a huge drag on your bankroll long term (they are incredibly tough to beat and the vig is high). I occasionally play them for fun, but never much at stake.

This is why you should avoid betting with government via Sport Select. They force you to make parlay bets and their odds are so incredibly awful.

That said, there’s a situation that we see today that while it adds risk, I think its worth doing.
PIT is -370 at home to DET today.

If you take the games you like and parlay each of them with PIT its like an *almost* free boost in odds.

ie) I like VAN at -165 today. That means I have to bet 165 to get back 100 (plus my original bet). Stated a different way I get ~$60 back for every $100 I bet if I win (plus I get back my original bet)

If I parlay VAN with PIT (on bodog) the odds move to +104 for the parlay. So that means I get 104 for every 100 I bet if both teams win. Nice bump in payout.

With a team like CHI that’s a dog it juices it too.

CHI is +120. Parlayed with PIT its now +175

If you are *sold* that PIT will win the game then you can use them in individual parlays to juice the odds on the games you like.

I call this “lynchpinning” and it can work well, but it’s a disaster when your lynchpin team loses so I don’t do it often as any hockey team can beat any other hockey team at any time.

Another note on Sports Select – they make you bet on hockey teams in regulation. That’s a different line that what I post here.

I post the “money line”, that’s the payout if the team wins in regulation OR, overtime OR shootout.

When you pick a team to win in regulation only it’s the “3 way” line and it pays more than the money line since an OT or SO win won’t count.

ie) EDM today is +175 ml and +275 3-way.

Sport Select makes you bet on 3 team parlays as a minimum when you play Proline.

Sport Select’s $2 bet payout on CHI + VAN + CAR today is $14.10

Bodog’s $2 bet payout on the same bet (all teams in regulation) is $18.44

Bet365’s $2 bet payout on the same bet (all teams in regulation) is $20.88

The government loves their vig.

Also,

Remember:
– bet only with amounts that are “play money” to you. You can bet as little as $0.25/game on many sites

-Always have 100 units in your betting roll and make you bet sizes accordingly

-I never put more than 5 units on any one outcome and that’s when I *really* like the game (lynchpinning can make you put more than 5 units on the outcome of the lynchpin game which is why its dangerous)

-I usually bet ~3 units on games I like and 1/2-1 unit on lines that I think the dog is too big of a dog but I still think the fav will win.

-If you use these simple bankroll rules you will never break your bankroll, your unit size will just fluctuate.

-It’s a great way to see if you can beat the bookies.

Beating the bookies is not easy on individual games. I bet individual games for fun as most of my bankroll is tied up in futures bets that I make at the beginning of the season. Having a big part of my bankroll tied up with futures during the season drops my unit size significantly during the season, but that’s ok, individual games are way tougher than futures imo.

I have seen better bettors than me go broke (or worse, go in debt) when they don’t exercise bankroll management. Its *everything* when you bet on sports.

Darth Tu

WG – this is essentially what I do with soccer. Add in Liverpool and Celtic to any bet and you get a little boost in winnings. Assuming that Liverpool and Celtic win. Which they usually do thankfully!

innercitysmytty

Interesting stuff thanks for sharing that background on sports betting! I’m a poker player but very little time to even consider sports betting so have never done it. Given what you said, why would anyone bet with Sports Select at all? Has betting with them taken a massive hit since the proliferation of online options?

jtblack

Thx for the Info

tileguy

Wonderful tutorial, and this is about as safe of a place where you can post it.
You should maybe post this every six months for newcomers.

New Improved Darkness

But from the bookie side, they’re not trying to beat Woodguy. To maximally sheer the sheep, you have to set the line to where a few diehard übernerds win. Using the boot-camp live-ammo bandoliers of extremely round numbers, the Oilogosphere is already the 10%. Within that, Lowetide is the 10%. Within that, Woodguy is the 10%.

From the bookie side of this, Woodguy is a modestly compensated certified research assistant.

It was the same in my relationship with Google. Hundreds of searches per day, through sleet and snow. Ad conversion rate 0.00001%

But also perseverance to the max. If I didn’t find what I was looking for, I would refine my search twenty times in a row, while sometimes clicking through to the tenth page of search results.

From Google’s perspective, I was a modestly compensated certified research assistant (my frenetic search activity was 100% subsidized on no revenue back).

Only now they’ve changed their display format in such an egregious way that I switched to Binghoo for 95% of my search activity. For the other 5% of my searches, Google is nearly two full orders of magnitude superior in haystack filtration.

When I search “Trump” the very first node in the Google datacenter my packet reaches performs an O(1) check in a hashtable of hot keywords. Oh “Trump” again, for the 100th time this very second. That then gets fired off to a second server with the results for “Trump” pre-built in a memory buffer. In parallel to this, they check your user profile; in my case discovering a 20-year history of 100 searches per day (this is a modest day for me, it spikes up to 1000) and a total number of ads clicked of two digits. Less than five revenue-clicks per year. So they don’t even bother running an ad auction, and simply deliver the standard results bare. Maybe three total servers involved, and not a single disk seek. Cheaper than dirt.

But then at the other end of the spectrum I get a bee in my bonnet about cutting-edge research on the intricacies of place and grid cells in the human entorhinal cortex, and I’m not getting what I consider to be adequate satisfaction with my original query.

After permuting that query for the twentieth time, it now contains five to ten subtraction terms (each beginning with a minus sign) because I’m getting tired of seeing all the same worthless results time and again.

Google has hundreds of distinct algorithms to handle the hard cases, and a difficult search might involve a hundred different servers, each to see what its specific algorithm can dredge up. None of the words involved in my esoteric searches are commonplace, so there’s a good chance these queries involve 3rd level caching structures, or—heaven forbid—actual disk seeks. I would love to know how much more expensive these searches are to Google than the one they arbitrarily refuse to typo-fix from “rump” (half the American population would soon be saving themselves a keystroke, every time). It could be anywhere from 1,000 to 10,000 times more costly to process. Starting bid.

So now I only use Binghoo for “Trump”, but quickly switch back to Google one time in twenty, to avail myself of their 1000× or 10,000× more sophisticated computational fan-out. In the process, they’ve now lost the signal they used to enjoy where I carefully avoided any stinkers among the top five, in the half of my searches that fall in between these extremes.

Google justifies their new horrible format as more compatible with mobile. First rats off their desktop interface are the best swimmers.

Imagine if these bookies rigged their vig so that Woodguy could never find a winning ticket. It would be as if as a few thousand Yodas cried out with unorthodox syntax and were suddenly silenced.

Think twice, institutional titan of the tight black tunic, before you weed out the Youngling Academy of Dagobah. Not right away, but finally, this does tend to redound like karmic Tribbles of triviality Amok Time, no hijacked starship required.

———

Tribble swinger: Your three-leaf clover, or mine? Or how about we split the difference and do it right here? No point asking your sister, 7777 of 9999, to budge over, I’ll simply do her, too, on the way across, with my tongue hanging out like a blind puppy.

Darth Tu

OriginalPouzar:
I think many were hoping to grab a couple of points out of back to back afternoon road games (although some/many weren’t overly confidant in the team’s ability to do that) – well, mission accomplished.

Now its time to get some gravy points!

The 3rd game in 4 nights on the road including the 2nd half of back to backs is what they define as “scheduled loss”. This one is also the 4th game in 6th to make it tougher.

I say eff “scheduled loss” – I have confidence this team can grind out a point if not two and earn themselves a couple days rest before they battle the Bruins.

I’m sure we see Smith today but that was a big game from Mikko last night – not only to help get those specific two points but to “get him going” as we’ll need him to be on his game down the stretch.

I’ve got to think Granny will get in the lineup for either P. Russell or Hass.

Go Oilers!

I’d say go with Russell out before Haas, I love Haas’ speed, he’s tenacious.

I have all my fingers and toes crossed that Khaira has come around. I was ready for him to be the next guy sent back to Bakersfield, but the last week has seen some definite signs of life. Clearly he needed the McDavid injury to wake him up!

Carolina are a decent team, but the Hamilton injury has to be hurting them. Still, I have way more hope of a point or 2 coming out of this game than I would have had in the last few years.

John Chambers

I wonder if the James Neal injury is just an elaborate ruse to avoid sending Calgary a draft pick. Doesn’t hurt to give his old bones an extended rest either.

Darth Tu

In other news, Kurt Leavins looks like he’s on the Domi train. Choo-choo.

Woodguy v2.0

In reading yesterday’s GDT his AM I see Munny (I think it was Munny) spotted a sick pass by Jones to Drai right through a fore-checker. LT mentioned in his post as well.

I was so impressed I paused the game after that play and posted a couple screen shots on twitter:

https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1228813450689703936

Poster Wilde saw my post and put the video of it up here:

https://twitter.com/keyantonyo/status/1228931191673196544

Beats the shit out of “off the glass and out” eh?

Woodguy v2.0

Benson made a couple of passes in the neutral zone which were incredible.

Both times FLA has good nzone pressure and just dumping it to an ozone corner would have been an ok play, but he found Archibald/Sheahan in traffic on the tape to keep possession and the ozone entry alive.

Just gorgeous passes.

Spec was mentioning to Tippett some players who had good games and Tippett volunteered “do you know who had a good game? Young Benson had a good game”

Awesome.

I was wary about Benson yesterday as he looked overwhelmed in his first 2 NHL games, but last night the game seems like it started to slow down for him a bit.

That’s huge for EDM going forward.

Johnny Admiraal

Babysitting my mother today as she has Dementia and father needs a break…..sure hope she likes hockey…..I think she will if I just hold her hand….she likes that kinda thing….Go Grease!!

Bryan

I hope you have a nice day with her.

N64

Woodguy v2.0: was wary about Benson yesterday as he looked overwhelmed in his first 2 NHL games, but last night the game seems like it started to slow down for him a bit.

That’s huge for EDM going forward.

Had to sideline the entire first line to get him top 6 time, but sure looked good and earned late game minutes. He’s been studying for his test.

JOFA

Call up Charlie Currie!

Glovjuice

Yamamoto has been stunning. Indeed, he is an NHL top six player with elite skating. I think his stride has opened up / lengthened since last year – something Yak never was able to improve.

Paulie

When KR comes back, what should Tip do? I’d stick with Jones-Benning and keep KR as 7th D.

OriginalPouzar

JOFA:
Call up Charlie Currie!

Did Benson look like a non-NHL player yesterday, a 22 year old destined for Europe?

OriginalPouzar

Paulie:
When KR comes back, what should Tip do? I’d stick with Jones-Benning and keep KR as 7th D.

It would be a heck of a tough decision by Tip (and Playfair) to healthy scratch Krusty but I do think they may do it if that 3rd pairing continues to play solid to plus hockey.

Paulie

I agree that It would be tough to sit KR. One plus: doing so would send a strong signal to Jones and other young players that the coaches believe in them and reward success. This might do wonders for the confidence for young players.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

OriginalPouzar,

I thought Benson looked great. His speed looked fine once he stopped overthinking plays.

jtblack

Leon has 59 Assists in 58 Games. His careeer high was 55.

HHHHHHH-AAAAAAAAAA-RRRRRRRR-TTTTTTT

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Is Marody still injured?

Woogie63

Are Puljujarvi and Shepyshev legit 2/3 wingers?

If done right, they are about a $1M ish each which would go a long way to solving a cap crunch and a lack of winger scoring.

20/21 winger depth

LW
Hopkins
Neal*
Slepyshev *
Nygard
Benson
Khaira

RW
Yamamoto
Kassian
Neal *
Archibald
Slepyshev *
Puljajarvi
Chiasson
Russell

*Plays both wings

JOFA

OriginalPouzar: Did Benson look like a non-NHL player yesterday, a 22 year old destined for Europe?

OP,

To be honest I didn’t get to see the game. Bob and Jack said he had a good game. I hope for the sake of the team he does well. I’ve never been a fan.

tileguy

OriginalPouzar: It would be a heck of a tough decision by Tip (and Playfair) to healthy scratch Krusty but I do think they may do it if that 3rd pairing continues to play solid to plus hockey.

I think you will just have to rotate the 3 of them and keep everybody sharp, you never know the injury bug will bite next.

J-Bo

Hey Al, I think there is an error in your goal differential after 59 games in comparison to yesterday after 58. Yesterday it was +3 and today it is +4. Maybe your stat purposely leaves out EN goals?

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

LT does not include empty netters.

N64

7 forwards and 3 defense from the Condors.

The Edmonton OilDors. A team. In the NHL

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Do you think Tip gets Jack Adams consideration if the Oilers make the playoffs? Especially if the Oil continue to tread water with McD injured.

Winning games with 2-3 4th lines all season is very impressive.

N64

If he gets it he might want to have them FedEx it to Bakersfield for Woodcraft to display in the Condor dressing room

godot10

I hope not. The Jack Adams is the kiss of death. Give it to Travis Green or Sheldon Keefe.

JOFA

N64:
7 forwards and 3 defense from the Condors.

The Edmonton OilDors. A team. In the NHL

Just missing the guy that puts up 20+ for the past four seasons and works his ass off.

#freecharliecurrie

hunter1909

Hunter1909’s Micro Oilers 10 game season they need 12 points to keep pace for after McDavid returns

record so far 2-1 4 points/ 7 games left to play

game today Carolina (Oilers kryptonite since the WHA + reluctantly predict a loss)

OriginalPouzar

Dr. Taboggan:
OriginalPouzar,

I thought Benson looked great. His speed looked fine once he stopped overthinking plays.

I agree, a solid game. My post was because of the stated position of the poster I was responding to that Benson will never be an NHL player (hence his desire to call up Currie).

OriginalPouzar

Dr. Taboggan:
Is Marody still injured?

Yes, hasn’t played on probably around a month.

OriginalPouzar

JOFA: OP,

To be honest I didn’t get to see the game. Bob and Jack said he had a good game.I hope for the sake of the team he does well. I’ve never been a fan.

Fair enough.

He did have a good game – solid in all zones and involved in neutral zone and offensive creation plays.

Out there for a defensive zone face off with a few minutes to go and protecting a one-goal lead.

Singled out by the coach as a player that had a good game and an express statement that he trusts him.

Of course, it’s just one game but one skill Tyler has is hockey smarts and the ability to learn and adapt with a strong work ethic. He knows he won’t skate at a plus NHL level but is learning what he will need to do to be a top 6 NHL player.

Miles to go.

OriginalPouzar

Dr. Taboggan:
Do you think Tip gets Jack Adams consideration if the Oilers make the playoffs? Especially if the Oil continue to tread water with McD injured.

Winning games with 2-3 4th lines all season is very impressive.

I’m sure he’d get some votes. Potential to finish top 3 and be “nominated”.

OriginalPouzar

JOFA: Just missing the guy that puts up 20+ for the past four seasons and works his ass off.

#freecharliecurrie

Currie was serviceable in his NHL stint last year and his advanced metrics were actually quite good.

With that said, scoring 20 in the AHL does not necessarily translate to NHL success. It could be we’ve see high end AHL producers fail to have that game translate – see Lander.

A guy like Benson is more skilled and has more NHL potential than a guy like Currie.

tileguy

Charlie Currie, haha, rhymes with Jari Kurri.

JOFA

Shremp 114 GP 54 Pts
Omark 79 GP 32 Pts
Rattie 99 GP 30 Pts
Benson?

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Lol wtf makes any of these players comparable?

hunter1909

JOFA:
Shremp 114 GP 54 Pts
Omark 79 GP 32 Pts
Rattie 99 GP 30 Pts
Benson?

Go on. Put pressure on the kid.

Reja

JOFA: OP,

To be honest I didn’t get to see the game. Bob and Jack said he had a good game.I hope for the sake of the team he does well. I’ve never been a fan.

Why would you want this kid to flop he’s been working his ass off. Have you watched him play more then a game or two before booking him on a one way flight to Kazakhstan.

JOFA

hunter1909: Go on. Put pressure on the kid.

Pressure? This is the bigs! I’m sure after reading my opinion on Lowetide it will impact his career lol.

pts2pndr

Benson is a local kid. Why be as negative as you are when in all probability friends and family and friends of the family read this blog. All the fans of Benson are asking is give the kid a chance. Small ask!

Numenius

You should be more concerned about what the negativity (at this early stage) reveals about your character than how it’ll affect Benson.

JOFA

Dr. Taboggan:
Lol wtf makes any of these players comparable?

Perceived skill and skating ability?

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Why not add Drai and Yamo to the list. They were both criticized for their sub-par skating.

Darth Tu

And Bear

Stud Muffin

Why are McLeod and Maksimov not getting the ice time push in Bakersfield?

JOFA

Dr. Taboggan:
Why not add Drai and Yamo to the list. They were both criticized for their sub-par skating.

I think Draisaitl might play 100 games. Just a hunch?

N64

If he can get Nuge to 50 pts I’m for that

who

Reja: Why would you want this kid to flop he’s been working his ass off. Have youwatched him play more then a game or two before booking him on a one way flight to Kazakhstan.

I think this is a pretty common occurence on this blog.
Someone makes an initial evaluation of a player, and then doubles down on that opinion going forward, no matter what the player is actually doing.
This form has a lot of whipping boys. Kassian, Larrson, Russel, Benning, Nurse, Khaira, Chiasson, Neal. These guys have all been singled out by some posters, and crticized, for every single little mistake they make. Even Drai has had his critics.
Seems like you have to either be McDavid, or carry zero expectations, to escape the wrath of this fan base.
In Bensons case, I was never been wowed by his skills when I watched him in the WHL, which is a red flag to me. But I’m not going to write him off until I see him in a string of NHL games.
You can’t judge any player based on his first 10 NHL games. You have to allow them to get comfortable, to the point where their natural ability, or lack thereof, can show itself.

JOFA

Dr. Taboggan:
Why not add Drai and Yamo to the list. They were both criticized for their sub-par skating.

Yamo criticized for sub-par skating? You might want to rethink that one.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Read old comments on this blog and it is filled with people criticizing Yamo and Drai’s speed/skating.

The fact that Drai has played over 100 games is exactly my point.

Darth Tu

No, he’s right. I remember people complaining Yamo wasn’t going to cut it up to skating ability and size.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

“If you are small you have to be fast and Yamo is not fast” – renditions of this were thrown around often.

Ribs

I think we have to chalk some of this up to injury. There was a period where he was not skating well at all. He is looking more like the player that was drafted now, which is awesome to see.

JimmyV1965

I have what I think is an interesting question for the group. If the cost of making a hockey trade is more expensive now than at the draft, is the premium today worth it? Let’s say trading for Player X projects to cost you two second rounders in the summer. Is it worth it to trade a first and second rounder to get that same player today?

pts2pndr

First round draft choices are in my opinion a big deal given where the club is now. Also todays need may not be the need this coming fall. Bear becoming the much needed right D for the previous three years as an example how needs can change quickly. If the right player comes along at the right acquisition cost that fits the cap all bets are off.

JOFA

Darth Tu:
No, he’s right. I remember people complaining Yamo wasn’t going to cut it up to skating ability and size.

Confirmed!

Ice Sage

A reason why I have hope for Benson is delayed development due to injury. KY is a good reminder to take that into account. Benson has the core goods.

JOFA

Dr. Taboggan:
Read old comments on this blog and it is filled with people criticizing Yamo and Drai’s speed/skating.

The fact that Drai has played over 100 games is exactly my point.

I agree…Draisaitl has in fact played 100 games

who

Dr. Taboggan:
“If you are small you have to be fast and Yamo is not fast” – renditions of this were thrown around often.

Actually, I don’t think Yamamoto is fast, at least in a straight line. Hedman caught him pretty easily on a potential 2 on 1 the other night. I don’t think he has separation speed through the neutral ice, at the NHL level.
What he does have is insane first step quickness and edges. That’s what allows him to be such a buzzsaw on the forecheck.

JOFA

Ice Sage:
A reason why I have hope for Benson is delayed development due to injury.KY is a good reminder to take that into account.Benson has the core goods.

I consider skating ability to be a “core good”

pts2pndr

Is it his skating or is it the adjustment to NHL speed of game. Benson has in my opinion elite vision, passing and hockey IQ. Lets give him the time to find out.

jm363561

“Lets give him the time to find out.”

This is Edmonton. While I am sure many will agree with your point this is just not in the fan base DNA. Instant judgment- he might as well get used to handling it.

OriginalPouzar

who: Actually, I don’t think Yamamoto is fast, at least in a straight line. Hedman caught him pretty easily on a potential 2 on 1 the other night. I don’t think he has separation speed through the neutral ice, at the NHL level.
What he does have is insane first step quickness and edges. That’s what allows him to be such a buzzsaw on the forecheck.

Kailer isn’t fast, not with straight line speed or break away speed. What he is though is quick and with elite edges that allow him to get to pucks and in on defenders very quickly. Add that to playing the game and thinking the game fast and he’s a “fast player”.

At least that’s my visual take. If it makes any sense.