2019-20 Game 62: Oilers at Kings

There are real roster uncertainties as I write this, transactions on Saturday to send Colby Cave and Evan Bouchard to Bakersfield Condors await the bookend maneuvre. Connor McDavid isn’t always the lead story, while also always being the lead story. If he’s playing tonight, the Oilers have improved enormously overnight. That’s a fact.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide Trade Deadline: Oilers countdown to trade deadline involves age old dilemma
  • New Jonathan Willis: They shoot, they don’t score: NHLers who just can’t find the back of the net
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Why cap issues mean McDavid’s return could be Oilers’ only pre-deadline move
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers lack deadline flexibility due to injuries, few assets and bonuses
  • Lowetide: Making sense of the Oilers forward depth chart for the summer
  • Lowetide: For Oilers’ Kailer Yamamoto and Leon Draisaitl, first impressions are long forgotten. Why not for Jesse Puljujarvi?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Next-night masters: How the Oilers beat the Hurricanes and improved to 6-0 in the 2nd half of back-to-backs
  • Lowetide: Oilers reap benefits of Bakersfield Condors’ strong development process, even in a losing season
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Stepping out and up, Leon Draisaitl puts himself in the Hart Trophy mix in Connor McDavid’s absence
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Despite ‘transformation’ with Oilers, Zack Kassian’s on-ice actions come under scrutiny again
  • Jonathan Willis: Why the Oilers are playing their best 5-on-5 hockey of the season
  • Lowetide: Making sense of the Oilers defensive depth chart for the stretch run and the summer
  • Jonathan Willis: 10 overlooked trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: The Oilers trading their first-round pick is a bad idea
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 15 potential trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: Drilling down on right-handed centres for the Oilers to target before the trade deadline
  • Lowetide: If fast is the new big, the Oilers are trending in a very good direction
  • Lowetide: Why the Oilers are more likely to trade Adam Larsson than Kris Russell
  • Lowetide: Oilers prospects Evan Bouchard and Tyler Benson deliver best minor league performances in 20 years
  • Jonathan Willis: An updated list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20

OILERS AFTER 62 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015-16: 22-34-6, 50 points; goal differential -34
  • Oilers in 2016-17: 33-21-8, 74 points; goal differential +12
  • Oilers in 2017-18: 27-31-4, 58 points; goal differential -33
  • Oilers in 2018-19: 26-29-7, 59 points; goal differential -23
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 32-22-7, 71 points; goal differential +3

Terrific season in those numbers, and many youngsters have emerged in real time. I don’t recall a season where more roster players enjoy career seasons or close, and in fact many players are enjoying impressive first full NHL seasons. Lots to applaud across the roster, coaching and management included.

ON THE TENS

  • First 10 games: 7-2-1
  • Second 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Third 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Fourth 10 games: 3-6-1
  • Fifth 10 games: 6-2-2
  • Sixth 10 games: 6-3-1
  • Current 10 games: 0-1-0

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-9-0, four points; goal differential -21
  • Oilers in February 2017: 5-6-0, 10 points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in February 2018: 3-7-1, seven points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2019: 3-5-3, nine points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in February 2020: 5-4-1, 11 points; goal differential +1

One of the things we’ll need to discuss in the offseason is the run by Edmonton starting January 1. I haven’t gone back to look over the team’s history this century, but this season (11-5-3), the 2016-17 campaign (13-8-2) and 2005-06 (8-6-4) all landed in a positive direction Jan. 1 through February 23.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: CAL, ARI (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: SJS, NAS, CHI (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • On the road to: TBY, FLA, CAR (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: BOS, MIN (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-1)
  • On the road to: LAK, ANA, VEG (Expected 2-1-0)
  • At home to: WPG (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 5-4-1, 11 points in 10 games

Oilers need this game tonight. It sets up the deadline in a positive way (Edmonton would slide back into second in the Pacific) and gives the team enough breathing room to consider trading valuable assets. Big game. LAK aren’t an easy out, and that’s when everyone is healthy.

OILERS 2019-20

The article I wrote for The Athletic yesterday (the trade dilemma) drove home the fact Ken Holland needs to acquire a left winger for the McDavid line. You’d like Tomas Tatar but Tyler Ennis is a solid option.

Elliotte Friedman mentioned Edmonton’s interest in Mike Green last night, Jonathan Willis wrote about him recently so I won’t retrace his steps. I will post his Puck IQ numbers against elites, though, Green isn’t your ordinary broken down blue.

Oscar Klefbom has played 33 percent of his five on five time against elites this season, that’s the range for Green. Detroit is a terrible team, so Klefbom’s goal differential against elites (14-13) is superior to Green’s in Detroit (5-12) but that DFF percentage (48.20) for Green is quality. Ken Holland likes old people. This would be his first “I know a guy” deal since arriving, although he did sign Riley Sheahan as a free agent.

The big question for me is who is leaving to make room? Kris Russell has been mentioned but that’s the cap issue, what about the RH side? Edmonton currently employs Bear, Larsson and Benning there, so if Green is coming in, one of those men must be leaving. Right? Fascinating. Larsson? Benning? It sure as hell isn’t Bear.

TORONTO

Maple Leafs fans are hurting units this morning, that was a bad beat and it will be remembered. Exacerbating things is a long, long list of articles with titles like ‘How long before Mcdavid wants out of Edmonton?’ that have enraged Canadian outposts for decades. So there’s no sympathy, not an ounce, across this great nation this morning. To the contrary. Ken Holland might want to make a call to Kyle Dubas this morning, asking if he needs a rugged forward or defenseman. Hey, it’s a cruel business.

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using point percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    COL 18
    STL 18
    DAL 15

    Unific
    VAN 11
    VGP 11
    EDM 10

    Wildcard
    NSH 7
    CGY 6

    Out of playoffs
    WPG 6
    MIN 5
    ARI 5
    CHI 1
    SJS -5
    ANA -6
    LAK -12

    -All ties broken by games played.

    Relevant games today:

    EDM (-140) at LAK (+120) – McHeyHey should be back. Bear on the PP1. If EDM is determined, they should win.

    CGY (-230) at DET (+190) – Free bingo spot, but you never know. Bernier probable starter and he has a .908 this year. DET is 13-18-2 (.424 pts%) with Bernier and 2-26-2 (.100 pts%) without him. Goaltending. The easiest way to tank. Imma puttin a unit on DET out of obligation.

    WPG (-120) at BUF (+100) – BUF beat PIT in PIT last night, lost to OTT on Wed and beat TOR a week ago. St. Ralph’s guys are up and down. WPG is 3rd in 4 nights, 2nd of back to back in 3 different cities. BUF with a hair of value?

    STL (-115) at MIN (-105) – Based on how these two teams play, it should be a rough one. Line is close.

    VGP (-165) at ANA (+145) – The Eggs are rolling. Short flight to ANA shouldn’t matter, but this will be their 3rd in 4 nights and 2nd of back to back. First two games were in Vegreville. Might put a unit on ANA because VGP might be too tired to chop wood and carry water.

    Ostensibly EDM, CGY and VGP should win, but that’s why they play the games.

  2. wood99 says:

    Good Morning Everyone, Just wondering who and you would want from Toronto and at what cost Lowetide?

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings using point percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Atlantic
    BOS 27
    TBY 23
    TOR 9

    Metropolitan
    PIT 20
    WSH 19
    PHI 15

    Wildcard
    NYI 14
    CAR 13

    Out of playoffs
    CBJ 11
    NYR 9
    FLA 8
    BUF 3
    MTL 2
    NJD -3
    OTT -9
    DET -29

    -Its crazy but if the playoffs started today the 10th best team in the EC would be in the playoff while 8th and 9th sat at home.

    -Relevant wildcard games today:

    SJS (+175) at NYI (-210) – line is probably a little too heavy on NYI but SJS has lost 3 in a row and this is the 3rd in 4 nights, 2nd of back to back in 3 different cities. Bleh.

  4. Lowetide says:

    wood99:
    Good Morning Everyone, Just wondering who and you would want from Toronto and at what cost Lowetide?

    Kapanen. Larsson.

  5. dustrock says:

    Lowetide: Kapanen. Larsson.

    Done and done.

  6. Ben says:

    Love the Athletic and am greatly looking forward to to the forthcoming 5000 word feature on David Ayres’ kidney donor’s most inspiring junior high school teacher. 🙂

    The trade chip I’d be throwing out there for an under-control player like Tatar is Broberg. Suspect they do something like a 3rd (2021) and a 5th for Ennis. Prices seem absolutely out of control this year, so I’d be fine with standing pat, too.

    • pts2pndr says:

      No trade can include Broberg unless you are getting a young cost controlled forward with skill. Two years from now you will realize how foolish this trade would have been. This is reverse economics as I see it. Trading gold for silver because you think silver will go up and gold will tank. Lots of luck with that thinking.

  7. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    My list of “secondary cheaper cost to acquire UFA rental wingers” in order of preference:

    1. Sheary
    2. Ennis
    3. Namestikov

    • doritogrande says:

      It’s a long shot because of the no-move clause, but I think Marleau would be the perfect addition, and isn’t really being discussed.

      • Andy Dufresne says:

        Its being reported that Joe Thorton will only consider a move if its to a LEGIT contender. Boston, TB, St Louis, Calgary*, Washington, Pittsburgh.

        It would make sense that Marleau is of a similar mind set.
        .
        .
        *kidding

      • pts2pndr says:

        Mark Messier would be cheaper.

  8. Mr DeBakey says:

    Green is quality. Ken Holland likes old people. This would be his first “I know a guy” deal since arriving, although he did sign Riley Sheahan as a free agent.

    Signed Tomas Jurco too.
    Tomas Jurco when Dmitrij Jaskin was also a UFA last summer.
    Dmitrij Jaskin who is currently second in KHL scoring with a higher PPG than the guy who’s first.
    Could he have done it here?
    Who knows? Maybe next year.

  9. npanciroli says:

    What’s with the amount of other team trolls frequenting Lowetide these days? Never used to happen so much years ago.

    • Crazy Pedestrian says:

      It’s probably cause the site they use to troll on, (oilersnation), has a “block user” feature now. They’ve probably been blocked by so many people, that no one is responding to them anymore. So they’ve migrated to lowetide, where there is no block user feature, and they are free to troll to their hearts content.

      • London Jon says:

        A ‘block user function would make a lot of people very happy if that’s possible on this platform?

        • npanciroli says:

          It’s be really nice. I’d definitely come here more often. I find myself on HF Oilers lots because atleast they keep opposite fans off the board.

  10. wood99 says:

    I agree with the Kapanen / Larsson but would try and get Bracco and a pick by adding Khaira to the deal. The Leafs look the some gritensity while also faint a little cap space.

  11. jp says:

    Green is interesting IMO.

    He’s 34 so he could have some gas left in the tank. The DFFs look competent and likewise his SF% relative to team has remained solid (this year are his lowest on ice SH% AND on ice SV% of his entire career, hence his GF% and +/- tanking).

    He’s still playing 21 minutes a night and up until this season he’s been scoring ~0.5 PPG. I bet he could add a bit of offence to the back end.

    He should be cheap and if Yzerman is willing to retain half I think adding Green is a nice depth move at minimum. And honestly, I think there’s a decent to good chance he’s actually a better option than either Larsson or Benning at 2RD for the duration of 2020.

    It also gives some coverage if Holland is thinking about moving Larsson for a winger (Kapanen!) as has been speculated.

    Edit: I also *think* Green would be a better on ice option than Bouchard for the duration (in addition to it being probably better for Bouchard to stay in the A for now).

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Terrific season in those numbers, and many youngsters have emerged in real time. I don’t recall a season where more roster players enjoy career seasons or close, and in fact many players are enjoying impressive first full NHL seasons. Lots to applaud across the roster, coaching and management included.

    That’s one thing I noted when EDM hired Tippett.

    Many players like Domi, Duclair, Boedeker, Reider, RIchardson, Martinook, and others along the way all had their best seasons under Tippett.

    We talk a lot about roster construction and “playing players according to their established NHL ability” but Tippett actually walks the walk and takes it to a higher level.

    EDM’s MVP (Most Valuable Person) in the org this year, including players, is Dave Tippett.

    • Ben says:

      Agreed. And have to give special mention to the special teams work done by the assistants.

      Near-historically efficient PP and astonishing PK recovery this year.

  13. marty62 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Terrific season in those numbers, and many youngsters have emerged in real time. I don’t recall a season where more roster players enjoy career seasons or close, and in fact many players are enjoying impressive first full NHL seasons. Lots to applaud across the roster, coaching and management included.

    That’s one thing I noted when EDM hired Tippett.

    Many players like Domi, Duclair, Boedeker, Reider, RIchardson, Martinook, and others along the way all had their best seasons under Tippett.

    We talk a lot about roster construction and “playing players according to their established NHL ability” but Tippett actually walks the walk and takes it to a higher level.

    EDM’s MVP (Most Valuable Person) in the org this year, including players, is Dave Tippett.

    Now if only he would grow that mustache back….

  14. leadfarmer says:

    It’s kind of funny that on the day people were discussing what a great job Dubas did the Leafs showed the major weaknesses of his work

  15. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide: Kapanen. Larsson.

    Wingers are not that expensive
    Seems like a move the Leafs would love to do and would definitely demand more from them

  16. marty62 says:

    leadfarmer:
    It’s kind of funny that on the day people were discussing what a great job Dubas did the Leafs showed the major weaknesses of his work

    “Dubas is on it.” When Matthews leaves as a UFA in 5 years, that will finally free up $11 million in cap space to get some quality Dmen that they desperately need….

  17. doctoreye says:

    I like the Larsen for Kapanen trade,but I would add Khaira and ask for Johnson too,although he is presently on IR.Adding another Finn might entice Pulu to come back next year.

  18. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    EDM’s MVP (Most Valuable Person) in the org this year, including players, is Dave Tippett.

    #HeWhoCannotBeHashtagged

    #Tippettary is a place where something actually happens?.

    It’s been a long, long way to #Tippettary, but my heart’s right there.

  19. Ben says:

    I wonder if we’ll ever hear what really went wrong for JP here (other than the general fumbling of his development).

    Some accuse the player of general stubbornness but you have to think there’s a pretty major interpersonal dressing room problem at play.

    It’s a tough one for KH–even with the Ligua success he’ll be hard-pressed to recover much value from the asset until he shows he can do it in the NHL.

    So do you cut losses and take maybe a late 2nd/3rd round pick for him at the draft? Just let him sit there until he maybe consents to a tryout-then-hopefully-trade with the Oilers?

    I still think the best bet is to find a partner with a similarly ‘troubled’ asset and hope you can create value on both sides of the transaction.

  20. Wonder Llama says:

    LLAMA LLOWETIDE LLEXICON (O – Z)

    OBC (Old Boy’s Club): The ability to play hockey does not necessarily imply the ability to manage a complex multi-million-dollar hockey franchise shocking I know.

    OUR GRACIOUS HOST: Lowetide himself. He’s all three words. He created an oasis of decency in the ugly sludge of internet commentary. He’s modern and he’s folksy. He’s overworked and underpaid. He’s a beautiful soul and he’s more patient with us than we deserve. He’s bouncy trouncy flouncy pouncy fun fun fun fun fun!

    OVERRIPEN: The practice of granting more than sufficient development time for players to mature, hone their skills, and build their confidence in the AHL or equivalent. The gold standard for this strategy was Montreal in the 1970s. Then there’s Jesse Puljujarvi.

    PISSCUTTER: A hockey player so good he produces a stream of urine that shines like a shaft of gold when all around is dark and cuts through sheet metal like a Bond villain’s laser.

    PUSHING THE RIVER: Perhaps the quintessential Lowetide term, it refers to a player’s ability to singlehandedly tilt the ice in his team’s favour. Taylor Hall was a river pusher; Jordan Eberle, as much as we loved him, was not. Bruce Springsteen, Joni Mitchell, and Neil Young are also river pushers. Andy Williams, as much as we love Breakfast at Tiffany’s, was not.

    REAL AND SPECTACULAR: 1. Ample not gauche, firm not hard, sensitive not ticklish, with perfectly proportioned areolae and nipples. [see Seinfeld episode “The Implant,” Feb. 25, 1993].
    2. Oscar Klefbom’s abs.

    REGRESSION TO THE MEAT: Based on some analytics crap (watch the game, nerds) called regression to the mean. It is the tendency for outliers to stop lying out there. Example: Milan Lucic’s hands might score two goals this week but his head will soon regress to the meat.

    RICKIBOX [TM]: Associated with the enigmatic figure Ricki the Bear, it remains ill-defined. Some believe it is simply the area in front of the goal while others insist it is a place to put a number so that it does not become lost.

    ROB SCHREMP: 1. Oilers first-round draft pick (25th overall) in 2004. Scored 57 goals in 57 games for the London Knights. Scored zero goals in seven games over three seasons for the Edmonton Oilers. https://cursingintime.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/sugar-tits/
    2. He does not shine shoes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJzNUydlQ4I
    3. He does not make chocolate. http://indifferenttobelgium.blogspot.com

    SAIL ON: The traditional Lowetide farewell salutation when an Oiler leaves the team, often employing a geographically specific alliteration. If, for example, Joakim Nygard were to leave, the headline might be “Sail On, Stockholm Syndrome.”

    SIDEBURNS: What Don Mattingly and Martin Marincin never shaved. [see Simpsons episode “Homer at the Bat,” Feb. 20, 1992].

    SMID: Ladies love him; LT hates him. No one knows why either is true.

    SOFT PARADE: 1. Weak QoC (Quality of Competition) that affects a player’s or line’s production or possession numbers. Example: If the unicorns emerge and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins plays 3C with competent wingers, he might score 50 points against the soft parade.
    2. Not coincidentally, the weakest of The Doors’ six studio albums.

    STAN WEIR: Stan Weir bought straight-blade sticks and curved them with his iron will. You don’t know who Stan Weir is? You better pray he doesn’t find out who you are.

    TABERNAC SATURDAY: An acknowledgement of the Oilers’ tendency to lose on Saturday night’s Hockey Night In Canada broadcasts. Not even the sensory assault of Don Cherry’s suits could overcome the need to shout this most sacrilegious of Quebecois profanities.

    UNICORNS: The elusive dream of three scoring lines with three river-pushing centres like Pittsburgh with Crosby, Malkin, and Staal 2006-12. The Oilers actually have this potential with McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nugent-Hopkins and are only six wingers away from making the dream real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4bc9UwZsYs [edit: Okay, with Yamamoto let’s say five.]

    VEGREVILLE: Las Vegas (but with perogy payouts at the Kaiser tables).

    WE HOPED FOR THE BEST: But it turned out like always.

    WE WAIT: What Lowetidians do indefinitely after a logical and perfectly obvious course of action is publicly suggested.

    WOODMONEY: 1. Something something Woodguy and GMoney… something something brilliant and innovative… something something Puck IQ is amazing: https://lowetide.ca/2017/07/02/its-the-real-thing-woodmoney/
    2. One trick to faking analytics knowledge is to tell stories that don’t go anywhere. Like the time I caught the Red Arrow to Red Deer. I needed a new box for my camping trip. So I decided to go to Moose Jaw, which is what they called Red Deer in those days. So I tied a perogy to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now to take the bus cost a WoodMoney, and in those days WoodMonies had pictures of Stan Weir on ‘em. “Gimme five Stannies for a Pisani,” you’d say.

    YMMV: Your Mileage May Vary, an acknowledgement of differing assessments within a mutually-understood set of parameters. Taken from a common refrain in late 20th century car commercials. I think Ethan Bear is a serious Calder candidate and BoJack Horseman is the best show on TV but YMMV.

    • Woodguy v2.0 says:

      RICKIBOX [TM]: Associated with the enigmatic figure Ricki the Bear, it remains ill-defined. Some believe it is simply the area in front of the goal while others insist it is a place to put a number so that it does not become lost.

      I love you.

    • €√¥£€^$ says:

      Wonder Llama: One trick to faking analytics knowledge is to tell stories that don’t go anywhere. Like the time I caught the Red Arrow to Red Deer. I needed a new box for my camping trip. So I decided to go to Moose Jaw, which is what they called Red Deer in those days. So I tied a perogy to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now to take the bus cost a WoodMoney, and in those days WoodMonies had pictures of Stan Weir on ‘em. “Gimme five Stannies for a Pisani,” you’d say.

      Llove it!

      WeLlLl done Llad!

    • London Jon says:

      Amazing

    • Buddy says:

      These are so good!

    • giddy says:

      “2. One trick to faking analytics knowledge is to tell stories that don’t go anywhere. Like the time I caught the Red Arrow to Red Deer. I needed a new box for my camping trip. So I decided to go to Moose Jaw, which is what they called Red Deer in those days. So I tied a perogy to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now to take the bus cost a WoodMoney, and in those days WoodMonies had pictures of Stan Weir on ‘em. “Gimme five Stannies for a Pisani,” you’d say.”

      This might be one of the funniest things I have read on the internet in a good while.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Under the heading “Wonder No More”…..

      Your new first name should be Dalai !

    • Ryan says:

      Can you post the entire compilation in a blogspot blog so that Lowetide can link to it in the sidebar?

      Or perhaps Lowetide can publish a post with it in it’s entirety that he can link to in the sidebar?

  21. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    npanciroli:
    What’s with the amount of other team trolls frequenting Lowetide these days? Never used to happen so much years ago.

    Used to be a few Falmes trolls dropping by often like Cameron.

    If you’re referring to Harper’s Hair he’s not “another team’s troll”, he’s “anyone but EDM troll”

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Trolls are like bacteria. Theres good bacteria and bad bacteria.

      A troll who manages himself can actually be good/useful to the overall culture.

  22. Andy Dufresne says:

    Unsure of the source, but I think it was at the Athletic where the reporter was quoting NHL execs on things they thought made some sense; One was Larsson for Kapenen + Bracco

    I dont want to move Larsson, but would feel much better about it if the deal included Bracco

  23. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: #HeWhoCannotBeHashtagged

    #Tippettary is a place where something actually happens?.

    It’s been a long, long way to #Tippettary, but my heart’s right there.

    #WayAboveAverageCoach
    #QualityHaircutToo

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      And he has the perfect coach demeanor bhind the bench. Just the right mix of “give a shit” combined with “controlled” and “calm under pressure”

      #OhCaptainMyCaptain

  24. slopitch says:

    I like the idea of Larsson for Kapanen then Green on the cheap (he wouldnt cost much right?!?). Green could play PP till Klefbom returns or perhaps for the rest of the year so Klef could take less minutes. The key is Green not costing much.

    Personally I pass on Ennis as I want them to aim higher. WG I do like the Sheary suggestion as well.

    Still gotta get the points today. Go oilers! Clap clap.

  25. hunter1909 says:

    wood99:
    Good Morning Everyone, Just wondering who and you would want from Toronto and at what cost Lowetide?

    The zamboni driver.

  26. Lowetide says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Green is quality. Ken Holland likes old people. This would be his first “I know a guy” deal since arriving, although he did sign Riley Sheahan as a free agent.

    Signed Tomas Jurco too.
    Tomas Jurco when Dmitrij Jaskin was also a UFA last summer.
    Dmitrij Jaskin who is currently second in KHL scoring with a higher PPG than the guy who’s first.
    Could he have done it here?
    Who knows? Maybe next year.

    ‘Deal’ implied trade.

  27. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909: The zamboni driver.

    /thread

  28. hunter1909 says:

    leadfarmer:
    It’s kind of funny that on the day people were discussing what a great job Dubas did the Leafs showed the major weaknesses of his work

    The weakness everyone has is the fact no one wants to miss out of high skill players, despite cap implications which destroy any hope of assembling top flight defence/goalie tandem/role players.

    Oilers fans for example continue to flagellate themselves over the perceived loss of Barzal – a high skill player that I’m sure the team would have to either jettison in a hurry or else overpay to the point the rest of the team isn’t good enough to beat a zamboni driver.

    I personally suspect Taylor Hall is 100% too expensive for the Oilers to acquire. Not able to prove it as I’m too old school/boomer ignorant to understand this highfaluting stuff. But to date I haven’t seen a team emerge(Winnipeg/Leafs/Hall/Eberle Oilers) with highly unbalanced lineups.

    The 2020 Oilers a fortunate in the McDraisaitl duo are mature fully competent players unlike Eberle/Gagner/Hall who sadly, and with great help from Lowe/MacT given them appalling hockey conditions flopped like the 2020 Toronto Maple Leafs lol

  29. Lowetide says:

    By the way, I love these Lowetideisms. Many I’d forgotten but it’s like seeing an old friend return. Man, going on 20 years we’ve had a time.

  30. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Re: Green

    His WoodWOWY vs Elites isn’t good without Nemeth. The rest are ok.

    Nemeth’s most common partner without Green is Hronek.

    Green’s most common partner without Nemeth is Cholowski.

    This is DFF%:

    Players WMTier DFF%
    Patrik Nemeth without Mike Green Elite 54.2
    Mike Green without Patrik Nemeth Elite 39.6
    Mike Green with Patrik Nemeth Elite 53.8
    Mike Green and Patrik Nemeth both off Elite 41.4

    Patrik Nemeth without Mike Green Middle 52.6
    Mike Green without Patrik Nemeth Middle 52.3
    Mike Green with Patrik Nemeth Middle 55.1
    Mike Green and Patrik Nemeth both off Middle 48.3

    Patrik Nemeth without Mike Green Gritensity 56
    Mike Green without Patrik Nemeth Gritensity 50.7
    Mike Green with Patrik Nemeth Gritensity 42.4
    Mike Green and Patrik Nemeth both off Gritensity 46.7

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Sometimes Larsson plays like a legit 1RD. We’ll call that “good Larsson”.

      Sometimes Larsson stuggles and looks like a 2nd pairing RHD. Lets call that “bad Larsson”

      Sometimes Larsson looks/plays like a 3rd pairing RHD. Lets call the “Injured/greiving Larsson”

      I dont think that Green can replace Good Larsson.

      But he could replace the other two Larsson’s AND perhaps add somehting to our PowerPlay.

      At face value, Green+Kapanen+Bracco > Adam Larsson.

      The decision point for many might come down to whether or not you see Larsson as an Oiler 18 months from now; That is, whether you eventually want to see Larsson resigned or not.

      • Woodguy v2.0 says:

        I see Green as “Benning Concussion insurance” and not a Larsson repalcement.

        • Andy Dufresne says:

          Thank You. That adds clarity.

          Affirms “for me”, that moving Larsson at the deadlne carries some significant risk for this years playoff aspirations.

          And I for one place a very high premium on the value of this team reaching the playoffs this year.

          Playoff experience is something this team/roster needs in a big way at this particular point in its evoluiton.

          • Andy Dufresne says:

            Also, When you become the Oilers new GM and you’re talking to the players Agent, dont refer to his client as “Benning Concussion Insurance” …sounds too “Old Boys Club ish” 🙂

  31. hunter1909 says:

    Joe Thornton would be a great addition to the 2020 Oilers playoff dreams.

  32. defmn says:

    hunter1909: The weakness everyone has is the fact no one wants to miss out of high skill players, despite cap implications which destroy any hope of assembling top flight defence/goalie tandem/role players.

    There was a reason the SC winner would usually win the All Star game waaaaay back when they would line up against the most skilled players the other 5 teams could assemble.

    It is not the job of the GM to get the best players available. It is his job to build the best team available. There is an overlap in those two ideas but they are not identical.

  33. defmn says:

    Sarah Ayres
    @35Ayres
    ·

    I am the happiest, proudest woman on the planet because my human got to live out his ultimate dream.
    …I’m also surprised I still have a voice.

    A video from the Hurricanes dressing room after the game last night.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1231423595735396354

  34. OilClog says:

    It’s great that Chicago let their Dad knows best chin retire in Florida. Tippett is the new Chin of the west! In a few years after spending some time with some cups that Chin is going to just be known as the Intimidator.

  35. Harpers Hair says:

    Wonder Llama:
    LLAMA LLOWETIDE LLEXICON (O – Z)

    OBC (Old Boy’s Club): The ability to play hockey does not necessarily imply the ability to manage a complex multi-million-dollar hockey franchise shocking I know.

    OUR GRACIOUS HOST: Lowetide himself. He’s all three words. He created an oasis of decency in the ugly sludge of internet commentary. He’s modern and he’s folksy. He’s overworked and underpaid. He’s a beautiful soul and he’s more patient with us than we deserve. He’s bouncy trouncy flouncy pouncy fun fun fun fun fun!

    OVERRIPEN: The practice of granting more than sufficient development time for players to mature, hone their skills, and build their confidence in the AHL or equivalent. The gold standard for this strategy was Montreal in the 1970s. Then there’s Jesse Puljujarvi.

    PISSCUTTER: A hockey player so good he produces a stream of urine that shines like a shaft of gold when all around is dark and cuts through sheet metal like a Bond villain’s laser.

    PUSHING THE RIVER: Perhaps the quintessential Lowetide term, it refers to a player’s ability to singlehandedly tilt the ice in his team’s favour. Taylor Hall was a river pusher; Jordan Eberle, as much as we loved him, was not. Bruce Springsteen, Joni Mitchell, and Neil Young are also river pushers. Andy Williams, as much as we love Breakfast at Tiffany’s, was not.

    REAL AND SPECTACULAR: 1. Ample not gauche, firm not hard, sensitive not ticklish, with perfectly proportioned areolae and nipples. [see Seinfeld episode “The Implant,” Feb. 25, 1993].
    2. Oscar Klefbom’s abs.

    REGRESSION TO THE MEAT: Based on some analytics crap (watch the game, nerds) called regression to the mean. It is the tendency for outliers to stop lying out there. Example: Milan Lucic’s hands might score two goals this week but his head will soon regress to the meat.

    RICKIBOX [TM]: Associated with the enigmatic figure Ricki the Bear, it remains ill-defined. Some believe it is simply the area in front of the goal while others insist it is a place to put a number so that it does not become lost.

    ROB SCHREMP: 1. Oilers first-round draft pick (25th overall) in 2004. Scored 57 goals in 57 games for the London Knights. Scored zero goals in seven games over three seasons for the Edmonton Oilers. https://cursingintime.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/sugar-tits/
    2. He does not shine shoes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJzNUydlQ4I
    3. He does not make chocolate. http://indifferenttobelgium.blogspot.com

    SAIL ON: The traditional Lowetide farewell salutation when an Oiler leaves the team, often employing a geographically specific alliteration. If, for example, Joakim Nygard were to leave, the headline might be “Sail On, Stockholm Syndrome.”

    SIDEBURNS: What Don Mattingly and Martin Marincin never shaved. [see Simpsons episode “Homer at the Bat,” Feb. 20, 1992].

    SMID: Ladies love him; LT hates him. No one knows why either is true.

    SOFT PARADE: 1. Weak QoC (Quality of Competition) that affects a player’s or line’s production or possession numbers. Example: If the unicorns emerge and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins plays 3C with competent wingers, he might score 50 points against the soft parade.
    2. Not coincidentally, the weakest of The Doors’ six studio albums.

    STAN WEIR: Stan Weir bought straight-blade sticks and curved them with his iron will. You don’t know who Stan Weir is? You better pray he doesn’t find out who you are.

    TABERNAC SATURDAY: An acknowledgement of the Oilers’ tendency to lose on Saturday night’s Hockey Night In Canada broadcasts. Not even the sensory assault of Don Cherry’s suits could overcome the need to shout this most sacrilegious of Quebecois profanities.

    UNICORNS: The elusive dream of three scoring lines with three river-pushing centres like Pittsburgh with Crosby, Malkin, and Staal 2006-12. The Oilers actually have this potential with McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nugent-Hopkins and are only six wingers away from making the dream real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4bc9UwZsYs [edit: Okay, with Yamamoto let’s say five.]

    VEGREVILLE: Las Vegas (but with perogy payouts at the Kaiser tables).

    WE HOPED FOR THE BEST: But it turned out like always.

    WE WAIT: What Lowetidians do indefinitely after a logical and perfectly obvious course of action is publicly suggested.

    WOODMONEY: 1. Something something Woodguy and GMoney… something something brilliant and innovative… something something Puck IQ is amazing:https://lowetide.ca/2017/07/02/its-the-real-thing-woodmoney/
    2. One trick to faking analytics knowledge is to tell stories that don’t go anywhere. Like the time I caught the Red Arrow to Red Deer. I needed a new box for my camping trip. So I decided to go to Moose Jaw, which is what they called Red Deer in those days. So I tied a perogy to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now to take the bus cost a WoodMoney, and in those days WoodMonies had pictures of Stan Weir on ‘em. “Gimme five Stannies for a Pisani,” you’d say.

    YMMV: Your Mileage May Vary, an acknowledgement of differing assessments within a mutually-understood set of parameters. Taken from a common refrain in late 20th century car commercials. I think Ethan Bear is a serious Calder candidate and BoJack Horseman is the best show on TV but YMMV.

    Missing: the Vaunt.

  36. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    My list of “secondary cheaper cost to acquire UFA rental wingers” in order of preference:

    1. Sheary
    2. Ennis
    3. Namestikov

    This isthe Exact Bin Ken should be ahopping in …..

    I think Ennis would be great deadline add …..In Ken we Trust

  37. godot10 says:

    defmn:
    Sarah Ayres
    @35Ayres
    ·

    I am the happiest, proudest woman on the planet because my human got to live out his ultimate dream.
    …I’m also surprised I still have a voice.

    A video from the Hurricanes dressing room after the game last night.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1231423595735396354

    Have the Leafs locked him out of the building?

  38. Jethro Tull says:

    defmn:
    Sarah Ayres
    @35Ayres
    ·

    I am the happiest, proudest woman on the planet because my human got to live out his ultimate dream.
    …I’m also surprised I still have a voice.

    A video from the Hurricanes dressing room after the game last night.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1231423595735396354

    My human? Strange choice of words.

    This is it people, our lizard overlords have revealed themselves!

  39. jp says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Re: Green

    His WoodWOWY vs Elites isn’t good without Nemeth.The rest are ok.

    Nemeth’s most common partner without Green is Hronek.

    Green’s most common partner without Nemeth is Cholowski.

    This is DFF%:

    PlayersWMTierDFF%
    Patrik Nemeth without Mike GreenElite54.2
    Mike Green without Patrik NemethElite39.6
    Mike Green with Patrik NemethElite53.8
    Mike Green and Patrik Nemeth both offElite41.4

    Patrik Nemeth without Mike GreenMiddle52.6
    Mike Green without Patrik NemethMiddle52.3
    Mike Green with Patrik NemethMiddle55.1
    Mike Green and Patrik Nemeth both offMiddle48.3

    Patrik Nemeth without Mike GreenGritensity56
    Mike Green without Patrik NemethGritensity50.7
    Mike Green with Patrik NemethGritensity42.4
    Mike Green and Patrik Nemeth both offGritensity46.7

    Green has clearly been pumped a bit by Nemeth, but the effect is mostly vs elites (you said that.

    1) what are the sample sizes? I guess some of them are low minutes.
    2) what are their overall (all comp) WoodWOWYs?

  40. OriginalPouzar says:

    This game does scare me a bit.

    A game they really should win, even with Klef and the gang out, against a team that has already sold assets and with the captain coming bag.

    They sagged last game and I can see them sagging further.

    Smith was great last game (calmer in the saves than normal) but I feel his bubble is about to burst.

    They best bring they lunch-box work ethic tonight – even with the captain in the lineup (assuming he is).

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      A McDavid sag could happen. (that is team sags after heroic 2 weeks)

      AND/OR

      McDavid could go Nuclear in response to his teams heroic efforts.

      #DuckAndCover

  41. stephen sheps says:

    defmn:
    Sarah Ayres
    @35Ayres
    ·

    I am the happiest, proudest woman on the planet because my human got to live out his ultimate dream.
    …I’m also surprised I still have a voice.

    A video from the Hurricanes dressing room after the game last night.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1231423595735396354

    and here’s what the Canes are doing for him now.

    As much as the memories of 2006 still haunt me, this organization is very impressive.

    https://twitter.com/Canes/status/1231439385905827840

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    “The article I wrote for The Athletic yesterday (the trade dilemma) drove home the fact Ken Holland needs to acquire a left winger for the McDavid line. You’d like Tomas Tatar but Tyler Ennis is a solid option.”

    —————

    ALthough I don’t’ think the acquisition cost on Ennis will be quite at cheap as we hope (think it will be a bit more expensive than, say, a fourth rounder), I think I’d rather play in the Ennis snack bracket than the Tatar snack bracket.

    Tatar isn’t a pure rental so MTL will require full value for him but, at the same time, he is only one full season until UFA – he’s a one season plus rental and that’s not the player I am willing to spend a first round pick on.

    Sure, he could be re-signed but I don’t want to re-sign close to 30 year old UFAs for their declining 30s – we just did that with Kass.

    If we are trading material assets like the 1st round pick, I personally hope for longer control than 1 full season.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      As a Yute, i worked for a short time in a packing plant.

      The prime parts of the cow, the stuff they use for steak Tatar, went to the fancy resteraunts.

      The cow’s ennis went into the wieners.

      But even knowing that, Who doesnt Love a good Hotdog every now and then.!?!

      #AllDressedUpByMcDavid

      #IfItsGoodEnoughForKessel

  43. stephen sheps says:

    Jethro Tull: My human? Strange choice of words.

    This is it people, our lizard overlords have revealed themselves!

    I know lots of people who prefer to not gender their partners or kids, instead calling them ‘my human’.

    Besides, everyone knows that our overlords are giant space ants, not lizards.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lcUHQYhPTE

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      You mean they hold them up to light source to see if they are male or female?

      #Candleing

      I thought it was common knowledge that the GSA defeated the Lizzard Overlords in the war of 3042.

      Oh shit…I wasn’t supposed to reveal that.

      #PrimeDirective

      OK…EVERYBODY….Look into my Pen!!

  44. OilClog says:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1231626065409454081

    Been waiting so long for a defender that stand em up at the blue line. Broberg is going to be a player.

  45. jtblack says:

    “OUR GRACIOUS HOST: Lowetide himself. ”

    – Just thought it would be a Good Day to say Thank You Our Gracious Host.

    Thank you
    Thank you

    I love reading your work every morning. You see, I am becoming a vintage. I was alive for the Miracle on Ice, but I don’t remember it. As a teenager I used to “read” the paper every day and study the box scores. The late games were usually not posted, so I was left to wonder.

    On Tuesday’s the Sports Section wpuld post all the stats for every NHL team. Man was that a day. During playoff hockey pools, Tuesday’s were the day I would Tally up the Standings and find out where everyone was at.

    Now I have teenage kids. I have FB & Instagram. But I still like to read. The paper has gone the way of the DoDo; but every morning I can count on O.G.H. to post some quality reading content.

    To O.G.H. – Thank You

  46. Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Trolls are like bacteria. Theres good bacteria and bad bacteria.

    A troll who manages himself can actually be good/useful to the overall culture.

    So true.

    In HH’s case, I actually feel his presence here, in general, helps to add nuance and perspective to the overall conversation. Yes he moves goalposts, and is a master at throwing out crumbs to get a rise out of some posters here who then choose to engage which always just feeds it and can sometimes get a little tiresome, but for me personally, I just kind of sit back and am amused by it mostly. And on the rare occasions when it does get bothersome to me, I have this mechanism where I just tune it out.

    Lol

  47. Bag of Pucks says:

    Going through the comments yesterday, I’ve seen a lot of misinterpretation and strawman building in regards to my Reinhart trade posts. So I’m going to restate my position in as black & white terms as I can.

    1) Trading the picks in a historically deep draft for a failing prospect was a mistake. Ffs, I stated this in the very first post. Why do so many people struggle with basic reading comprehension.
    2) The damage assessment hyperbole by some fans from not making those picks is directly proportionate to their capacity for hindsight cherry picking (with Barzal and Aho being the most hyperbolic expression of this)
    3) Historic actions are the best predictor of future actions.

    Now, let’s look at the facts and not the alternate reality where the Edmonton Oilers immediately and inexplicably morph into the best drafting org in the NHL.

    1) Terry Jones’s report confirming the Oil would most likely have selected Eriksson Ek.

    https://edmontonsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/oilers-general-manager-peter-chiarelli-cant-escape-criticism

    2) You can access EE’s Vollman’s here. He’s not the big old blue dot you’d like but he is playing tougher competition and generating a GF% 54.84. His career boxcars are 23G, 39A, 62P

    http://www.hockeyabstract.com/playerusagecharts

    So, if you’re not inclined to hyperbole, the Oilers missed out on a serviceable bottom 6 C with the #16 pick they were most likely to make. Ryan Strome is actually a far more effective player in this role but Chiarelli traded him for magic beans because Oilers.

    3) Here’s a list of recent 2nd round picks the Oil made preceding this draft.

    2014 No pick (Holy shit. They could’ve drafted Montour or Dvorak that round. The idiots!)
    2013 Marco Roy
    2012 Mitch Moroz
    2011 David Musil
    2010 Pitlick, Marincin, Hamilton

    Not exactly murders row. The Oilers 2nd round woes to that point are well documented on this site and elsewhere.

    4) Here’s the players chosen at the #33 pick and shortly after.

    Mitchell Stephens 33GP 2G 3A 5P
    Travis Dermott (Young D getting some initial traction. Boxcars are good. Vollman has him sheltered with serious OZs push)
    Sebastian Aho (Phenom – Highly unlikely the Oil draft a small C in this slot after McDavid pick in round 1 and Draisaitl pick previous year).
    Gabriel Gagne (playing in the ECHL)

    So, immediately in the range of where the Oilers pick, we have 1W bust, 1W still trying to establish himself, and 1C the Oil were highly unlikely to draft based on size and positional needs. That leaves Dermott, a sheltered but productive LHD as the 1 in 4 shot. If we extend the range to Carlo (ie go cherry picking further down the draft), it’s a much better add with Volman and GF% looking very good and in a position of need with RHD.

    5) So, absolute best case scenario based on the available facts is Eriksson Ek and Carlo. That is significantly less than the hysteria of “they lost Barzal and Aho” which essentially proves my point.

    However, a Carlo pick makes massive assumptions. Ottawa outright whiffed and an excellent drafting team in Tampa Bay is still waiting on Stephens. We’re supposed to look at Moroz, Musil and assume the Oilers would not have made a similar error? That conclusion can be made more plausible if in forgoing a Reinhart trade they’re keen to add a D in the 2nd where the availability of a Dermott or Carlo as a positional fit help to overcome the Oilers historic second round ineptitude.

    But in that scenario, how much pressure would there have been to rush Dermott or Carlo in their development? I suspect that even were the Oilers to luck into making the right selections, their development would have been less effective.

    6) Reasonable is the adjective LT uses as lot. Projecting the Oilers taking Barzal and Aho is not reasonable. Eriksson Ek and Dermott is a more reasonable educated guess based on the available facts. And let’s be clear, guessing is exactly what it is in speculating who the Oilers could’ve, would’ve taken in this draft.

    • OilClog says:

      7) if they weren’t able to land Reinhart with the two pics they were going to add an additional 3rd round pick and trade it for Steve Larmers alarm clock radio.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Valiant effort.

      But this still doesnt explain what happened to Jimmy Hoffa.

  48. Andy Dufresne says:

    Rest Up People. And Stay Alert!

    In less than 30 hours, all will be revealed!

  49. €√¥£€^$ says:

    In all the scenarios that I’ve looked at, I kept coming back to a deal centered on Jeff Carter for James Neal.

    And Sheary and Kovalchuk as wingers for 97.

    For shits & giggles I decided to do temperature check on these players to see if they might cost alot. Specifically I’d be concerned with Kovalchuk, since he was on an initial tear when he arrived in MTL. Hab fans were saying he was worth at least a 1st and a significant prospect a couple of weeks ago.

    I’d suggest IK’s value is now low (4th or 5th rounder or lower level prospect like Safin) with only 1 assist in the last 7 games, but is still a volume shooter (21 shots in these 7 games), although 8 were vs Pitt. A lot of folks here don’t like this add, but I believe he’d be a serious upgrade on Neal and his cap hit is equivalent to that of a Colby Cave.

    Sheary doesn’t seem to play much, his TOI looks to be that of a 3rd liner. He has 2 goals in his last 7 games, 13 shots in that span. Should be a cheap add.

    As a comparison Jimmy Vesey has 2 goals and 2 assists in the last 7, 10 shots. He plays slightly less than Sheary, however he played a monster 25:52, 27 shifts 6 games ago. Only 1 shot, 1 assist -1 vs Anaheim in that monster game.

    Carter has 3 goals and 1 assist in his last 7, 14 shots. Gets 20+ shifts per game (likely a lot of D zone FO’s and off the ice, is my guess).

    Ennis has 1 goal, 2 assists in last 7, about same TOI as Sheary and generated 18 shots. Seems to get at least 2/game over about the last 20, he is the most consistent shot generator of this list. He has more shifts (averaging in the 20’s vs 16ish for Sheary, so not sure about the context, perhaps he just takes relatively shorter shifts).

    Green, FWIW, has 1 goal and 2 assist in that 7 game span, 6 shots (2 shots in each of 3 games). Surprisingly, despite his TOI he only has 3 goals and 11 assist, about half his production in close to same number of games last year.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Thank You for your work.

      What I glean from this is….its less about who than it is about …How Much?

      How can Holland best add, as a reward to his teams effort, without going NSF.

      Dont borrow at exorbitant interest rates and dont mortgage the future. No Way No How.

      Just a little something something for a job well done.

      All I ask is three beers a piece for each of my team mates…I think a man backchecking hard, feels more like a man if he can have a bottle of suds. That’s only my opinion.

  50. who says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Going through the comments yesterday, I’ve seen a lot of misinterpretation and strawman building in regards to my Reinhart trade posts. So I’m going to restate my position in as black & white terms as I can.

    1) Trading the picks in a historically deep draft for a failing prospect was a mistake. Ffs, I stated this in the very first post. Why do so many people struggle with basic reading comprehension.
    2) The damage assessment hyperbole by some fans from not making those picks is directly proportionate to their capacity for hindsight cherry picking (with Barzal and Aho being the most hyperbolic expression of this)
    3) Historic actions are the best predictor of future actions.

    Now, let’s look at the facts and not the alternate reality where the Edmonton Oilers immediately and inexplicably morph into the best drafting org in the NHL.

    1) Terry Jones’s report confirming the Oil would most likely have selected Eriksson Ek.

    https://edmontonsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/oilers-general-manager-peter-chiarelli-cant-escape-criticism

    2) You can access EE’s Vollman’s here. He’s not the big old blue dot you’d like but he is playing tougher competition and generating a GF% 54.84. His career boxcars are 23G, 39A, 62P

    http://www.hockeyabstract.com/playerusagecharts

    So, if you’re not inclined to hyperbole, the Oilers missed out on a serviceable bottom 6 C with the #16 pick they were most likely to make. Ryan Strome is actually a far more effective player in this role but Chiarelli traded him for magic beans because Oilers.

    3) Here’s a list of recent 2nd round picks the Oil made preceding this draft.

    2014 No pick (Holy shit. They could’ve drafted Montour or Dvorak that round. The idiots!)
    2013 Marco Roy
    2012 Mitch Moroz
    2011 David Musil
    2010 Pitlick, Marincin, Hamilton

    Not exactly murders row. The Oilers 2nd round woes to that point are well documented on this site and elsewhere.

    4) Here’s the players chosen at the #33 pick and shortly after.

    Mitchell Stephens 33GP 2G 3A 5P
    Travis Dermott (Young D getting some initial traction. Boxcars are good. Vollman has him sheltered with serious OZs push)
    Sebastian Aho (Phenom – Highly unlikely the Oil draft a small C in this slot after McDavid pick in round 1 and Draisaitl pick previous year).
    Gabriel Gagne (playing in the ECHL)

    So, immediately in the range of where the Oilers pick, we have 1W bust, 1W still trying to establish himself, and 1C the Oil were highly unlikely to draft based on size and positional needs. That leaves Dermott, a sheltered but productive LHD as the 1 in 4 shot. If we extend the range to Carlo (ie go cherry picking further down the draft), it’s a much better add with Volman and GF% looking very good and in a position of need with RHD.

    5) So, absolute best case scenario based on the available facts is Eriksson Ek and Carlo. That is significantly less than the hysteria of “they lost Barzal and Aho” which essentially proves my point.

    However, a Carlo pick makes massive assumptions. Ottawa outright whiffed and an excellent drafting team in Tampa Bay is still waiting on Stephens. We’re supposed to look at Moroz, Musil and assume the Oilers would not have made a similar error? That conclusion can be made more plausible if in forgoing a Reinhart trade they’re keen to add a D in the 2nd where the availability of a Dermott or Carlo as a positional fit help to overcome the Oilers historic second round ineptitude.

    But in that scenario, how much pressure would there have been to rush Dermott or Carlo in their development? I suspect that even were the Oilers to luck into making the right selections, their development would have been less effective.

    6) Reasonable is the adjective LT uses as lot. Projecting the Oilers taking Barzal and Aho is not reasonable. Eriksson Ek and Dermott is a more reasonable educated guess based on the available facts. And let’s be clear, guessing is exactly what it is in speculating who the Oilers could’ve, would’ve, should’ve taken in this draft.

    I think you should have just let this conversation die.
    You are suggesting posters are being overly optimistic on who the Oilers would have drafted in those spots. And then you turn around and are even more pessimistic about who they would have drafted.
    Look at your examples. Mitch Moroz, David Musil? I wasn’t aware they were available in the 2015 draft. That’s a whole lot of worst case scenarios cherry picking.
    Again, just look at the list of players drafted between 16 and 35. You obviously think the Oilers would have taken the two worst players on the list. At least that seems to be your argument.

    • €√¥£€^$ says:

      I thought we (this blog) were over this 2 years ago…..

      I suggest moving on is better for one’s health.

      Also, Chiarelli is long-gone. We have Kenny at the helm, I for one will focus my rage on tomorrow’s trans(gression)action(s).

      Dammit Jim! We are in the midst of a play-off race!!

    • Boiled-in-Oil says:

      Wow. I’m not overly fond of a lot of BOP’s posts and even I can understand what he is saying. And I understand his frustration

  51. Alpine says:

    Ennis seems easy enough to acquire. I’d guess that it hasn’t happened yet because Holland has a few different options and he’ll circle back to Ennis once he’s out on other players.

  52. N64 says:

    €√¥£€^$: I for one will focus my rage on tomorrow’s trans(gression)action(s).

    Fire. Aim. Ready.

  53. Jethro Tull says:

    stephen sheps: I know lots of people who prefer to not gender their partners or kids, instead calling them ‘my human’.

    Besides, everyone knows that our overlords are giant space ants, not lizards.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lcUHQYhPTE

    I’ve been to lots of gender presentations (I’d be happy to chat over a beer one day), and never heard of reference to “human”.

    Partner, yes. Infers equality where maybe “human” infers ownership, as in “this is my dog”.

    Usually people like to be referred to by their chosen names.

    For the record, Dr. Michael Marshall’s presentations are the best!

    • €√¥£€^$ says:

      Perhaps they are a family with lots of dogs or cats and no children?

    • Side says:

      Do you feel the same way when people say “my husband”, “my hubby”?

      Could also just be an in joke or reference they have with eachother.

      • Andy Dufresne says:

        I hate it when older women or strangers call me “Honey”

        “Ok Honey”

        • Andy Dufresne says:

          My wife hates the term “the wife”

          I tried to explain, its like you’re THE Wife. Not a wife. There are billions of wives in the world but you are “THE” Wife.

          Its like…. “THE Chosen One”….

          #NoDice
          .
          .
          .
          Disclaimer: Ive never used the term “the wife” in my life. It may be one of the top 3 reasons Im still alive.

  54. Lowetide says:

    Alpine:
    Ennis seems easy enough to acquire. I’d guess that it hasn’t happened yet because Holland has a few different options and he’ll circle back to Ennis once he’s out on other players.

    I think that’s exactly it.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      “I think” ^ .. I see what you did there.

      I mean….I feel like, I see what you did there.

      (And you thought no one was listening 🙂 )

      #WalkTheTalk

  55. jtblack says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    The analysis is clear. Ek & Carlo realistic.

    So why do you have to add in “even if Edm drafted Great Players, they wouldn’t have succeeded”. Is this to further cement your Bias on the trade?

    Today’s blog shows just how many Oilers have Graduated from Minor Pro to the NHL since that prior to that Draft.

    2014 – Lagesson 4th Round
    2015 – Jones 4th Round
    2015 – Bear 5th Round
    2016 – Benson 2nd Round
    2017 – Yamamoto 1st Round

    So your Narrative that 2 high picks from 2015 wouldn’t be developed properly is Horseshit. and before you jump right to J.P., remember no Org D+D 100% of their prospects.

  56. defmn says:

    stephen sheps: and here’s what the Canes are doing for him now.

    As much as the memories of 2006 still haunt me, this organization is very impressive.

    https://twitter.com/Canes/status/1231439385905827840

    Very classy.

    • stephen sheps says:

      Right? Especially both giving him a piece of the royalties and letting him choose the charity for the rest. Stuff like this makes it hard to hate them. Maybe it’s time to let go of a bit of the past…

      • Andy Dufresne says:

        Ok ok…Ill stop talking down to Zamboni drivers…

        But F#ck the Canes!!!

        #ClassMyAss

        #RolosonsKnee

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m quite excited to see Bear on PP1 along with McDavid.

    I hope they are able to find a way to sneak Bear down to the Ovechkin/Stamkos spot for the cross-seam.

    In is avail yesterday, Bear did seem to have a “shooters mentality” – hopefully its not just from the point but from a dangerous scoring area.

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Namestikov

    I’ve been beating the Namestikov drum for a few days now. They’d need to retain (or take back Gagner/Manning).

    I’m also interested in Tierney but he’s not a rental so the cost could be substantial.

    Ennis, Tierney, Namestikov – Holland and Dorion should have each others numbers memorized by now.

  59. Ryan says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    My list of “secondary cheaper cost to acquire UFA rental wingers” in order of preference:

    1. Sheary
    2. Ennis
    3. Namestikov

    I’m telling you there’s a nice trade there… stars aligning and shit.

    Gagner cap: 3.15m
    Namestnikov: 3.25m
    Ennis: 800k

    Namestnikov and Ennis for Gagner, a 2021 3rd and ???

    Ennis (5v5/60=1.91) would our best forward at 5v5 after Nuge.

    Namestnikov kills penalties.

    Would be a nice cheap small ball trade to upgrade our winger depth.

  60. Bag of Pucks says:

    who: I think you should have just let this conversation die.
    You are suggesting posters are being overly optimistic on who the Oilers would have drafted in those spots. And then you turn around and are even more pessimistic about who they would have drafted.
    Look at your examples. Mitch Moroz, David Musil? I wasn’t aware they were available in the 2015 draft. That’s a whole lot of worst case scenarios cherry picking.
    Again, just look at the list of players drafted between 16 and 35. You obviously think the Oilers would have taken the two worst players on the list. At least that seems to be your argument.

    I can appreciate now why you avoid reading.

  61. Bulging Twine says:

    Kopitar, Iafallo and Doughty all played 26 minutes + yesterday

  62. stephen sheps says:

    Jethro Tull: I’ve been to lots of gender presentations (I’d be happy to chat over a beer one day), and never heard of reference to “human”.

    Partner, yes. Infers equality where maybe “human” infers ownership, as in “this is my dog”.

    Usually people like to be referred to by their chosen names.

    For the record, Dr. Michael Marshall’s presentations are the best!

    Yes to a beer one day, that would be nice.

    I don’t necessarily disagree with what you’ve said (and while I’ve never been to a gender reveal, the concept is interesting. personally I’ll do the same thing my brother did and wait until any potential future children are born to find out what they are, but then again I’m not one for pomp and ceremony).

    anyhoo…. yeah it’s a weird turn of phrase to be sure, but it’s one that I’ve seen more and more frequently. Several parent friends I have refer to kids as ‘tiny humans’ and a few, when posting about them on social media call their kids ‘my human’ as a way of acknowledging things they’ve done without revealing their names or any other fact about who they are, since social media can be a cesspool of awful a lot of the time.

    This is the first time I’ve seen it used like this, though. As a sociologist, I’m intrigued by the rationale/motivation to use the turn of phrase here, especially since David is now riding the wave of his ’15 minutes of fame’, so it’s not like anonymity is required.

    *shrug*

  63. Bag of Pucks says:

    jtblack:
    Bag of Pucks,

    The analysis is clear.Ek & Carlo realistic.

    No. As I clearly stated. EE and Carlo are the “absolute best case scenario” not the most likely. Don’t misinterpret my posts to suit your argument please.

    We have absolutely no factual information on which to base the most likely 2nd round pick other than the Oilers’ past second round history and positional needs. For obvious reasons, BPA advocates shouldn’t be basing their predications on the latter. From a positional need pov, Aho presents as highly unlikely given McDavid and Draisaitl picks prior.

  64. OilClog says:

    Ottawa liked Khaira before, he’s put some value back into his name with his PK work. He’ll most likely be part of the package imo.

  65. LMHF#1 says:

    Kovalchuk is an Oiler by Monday – right?

    Unless someone pays a stupid stupid price, that’s an obvious move.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Yeah….I dont want Kovalchuk…..Low character dude who runs hot when it suits him… imo

      I guess it could be argued that he would be highly motivated.

      You also run a small risk that the org would try and resign him based on a 4 or 5 month run, while playing for a new contract, on the wing of THE Wing Commander

      #RogueRussiansRRisky

      • OilClog says:

        Low character? That’s a rather bold statement about someone you’ve never had the opportunity to share a conversation with.

        • Andy Dufresne says:

          Not at all. Its a common misconception that you need to meet someone to assess thier character.

          #Avery

          I would add that it is just my opinion. Im not a Physcologist or an FBI Profiler; But I play one on the interwebs.

  66. Ryan says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I don’t think Carlo is cherry picking. I listen to Stauffer fairly regularly and he’s intimated that Carlo would have been the pick along with Eriksson Ek..

    EE seemed like a big disappointment, but he’s nearly half a point per game this season playing 3c for under a million and a half. He’d be a massive upgrade over Sheahan and cheap too.

    Carlo is a very good, right shot top four defenseman, certainly better than Larsson and currently over a million a year cheaper cap—for this year and next!

    Even allowing for suboptimal drafting, the Reinhart trade cost us dearly.

  67. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    My list of “secondary cheaper cost to acquire UFA rental wingers” in order of preference:

    1. Sheary
    2. Ennis
    3. Namestikov

    I forgot Kovy

    1. Sheary
    2. Kovy
    3. Ennis
    4. Namestikov

  68. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ryan,

    The cost WAS high. But it wasn’t Barzal and Aho high and that’s the point I was making.

    I’m not interested in re-litigating the Reinhart trade. Simply interested in putting an end to the massive “the sky was falling” hyperbole on this transaction in a corner of the web where reasonable is supposed to reign.

    The Hall and Strome trades were hugely damaging as well but I’ve literally seen some posters describe the Reinhart trade as the worst trade in Oilers history and this team sold the Great One ffs!

    • Mr DeBakey says:

      Be that as it may, the definition of Griffin Reinhart in the Llexicon made me laugh out loud.
      Only Michelle Jenneke’s was funnier.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    slopitch:
    I like the idea of Larsson for Kapanen then Green on the cheap (he wouldnt cost much right?!?). Green could play PP till Klefbom returns or perhaps for the rest of the year so Klef could take less minutes.The key is Green not costing much.

    Personally I pass on Ennis as I want them to aim higher. WG I do like the Sheary suggestion as well.

    Still gotta get the points today. Go oilers! Clap clap.

    I think Ennis is a materially better offensive player than Sheary – you may have this backwards?

  70. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I forgot Kovy

    1. Sheary
    2. Kovy
    3. Ennis
    4. Namestikov

    Namestikov in past 7 games: 2 goals, 1 assist, 9 shots, 2 games with 0 shots. Frequent shifts generally (20+) but TOI slightly higher than Sheary, which surprised me. Played only 9 minutes 7 games ago, injury?

    12 goals 13 assists in 56 games. Season shooting @ ~15%, career = 12.5%. THAT is a nice number.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog:
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1231626065409454081

    Been waiting so long for a defender that stand em up at the blue line. Broberg is going to be a player.

    Samorukov does this as well – he is very aggressive defending the blueline – in fact, too aggressive, needs to learn to pick his spots better.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog:
    Already posted this

    Sorry, didn’t go through the 100 comments first.

  73. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think Ennis is a materially better offensive player than Sheary – you may have this backwards?

    Yeah, I was looking at the last 3 seasons and Sheary was coming out on top, but when I changed to just this past season, Ennis is producing better with lesser team mates.

    Ennis is doing it in slightly easier circumstances though.

    My new revised list:

    1. Kovy
    2. Ennis
    3. Sheary
    4. Namestikov

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      I could live with Kovy for the balance of the year. Wouldnt like it. Dont want it. But could live with it.

      I assume he has to play top six to be of any real value?

      If he plays on Mcdavids wing and does well do you resign him in the offseason?

  74. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    €√¥£€^$: Namestikov in past 7 games: 2 goals, 1 assist, 9 shots, 2 games with 0 shots.Frequent shifts generally (20+) but TOI slightly higher than Sheary, which surprised me.Played only 9 minutes 7 games ago, injury?

    12 goals 13 assists in 56 games.Season shooting @ ~15%, career = 12.5%.THAT is a nice number.

    Namestikov has the worst fancies of all 4 guys and the worst scoring over the past couple of years.

    Note: Kovy looked dead in LAK and now looks like he’s 27 in MTL. Its crazy.

  75. Ryan says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Ryan,

    The cost WAS high. But it wasn’t Barzal and Aho high and that’s the point I was making.

    I’m not interested in re-litigating the Reinhart trade. Simply interested in putting an end to the massive “the sky was falling” hyperbole on this transaction in a corner of the web where reasonable is supposed to reign.

    The Hall and Strome trades were hugely damaging as well but I’ve literally seen some posters describe the Reinhart trade as the worst trade in Oilers history and this team sold the Great One ffs!

    Really, we can look back at the trade from a number of different perspectives. Looking at it from each lens individually and then collectively.

    There’s your perspective arguing about potential revisionist history and pie in the sky thinking.

    What’s interesting is that your perspective aligns nicely with the Oilers defense of the trade which is why you’re drawing ire here from many.

    The Oilers promulgated that they would have drafted EE to placate the fan base. Calm your tits over the Reinhart trade everyone, we would have drafted the wrong player anyway…

    There’s people who note that if the Oilers took the consensus BPA from draft rankings, they could have had Barzal and Aho….

    Really, there’s other scenarios that could have played out.

    My understanding is that you think the Hall trade was a bigger debacle.

    To be sure, the Hall trade was a disaster… yet we really lost four years of Taylor Hall.. we got back a few decent years and arguably one great year from Adam Larsson.

    Even if we look at EE and Carlo (which I already know you won’t like. We lost these players and in return only received cannon fodder for the expansion draft which prevented us from losing JJ… almost nothing in return.

    Right now today, the EE and Carlo contracts have more value than Hall’s currently expiring contract. I don’t think you can reasonably argue other wise.

    This highlights one blind spot in your thinking…

    The Hall contract was a loss of four years while the Carlo and EE contracts represent a loss of all the potential years of team control for two players that hit at important positions… a high end 3c and top four RHD.

    Worse yet, the holes left on the roster coincide with key McDavid years.

    Imagine the impact of having EE for a million and a half and Carlo at under three on our roster right now today. We’d have both at the same price next season as well.

    That would represent tremendous value in having key cost-controlled years of important roster pieces during McDavid’s prime years.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Hmmmm…lets see…..I wonder why LT added asecond Reply Button feature….hmmmmm…what could it be …..

      • Ryan says:

        I am aware of the button and selfishly use it selectively.

        I tend not to use it when I take a decent amount of time to write a post as it gets buried in the thread.

        I do get that many do not want to continue the Reinhart discussion today. I’m in the same boat, but felt compelled to make my point.

        • Andy Dufresne says:

          Thats fair.

          • Andy Dufresne says:

            Not directed at you Ryan.

            But to the group.

            I get that the traditional “Reply” keeps things relevant as the thread rolls along. Or as Ryan puts it, :feels safer that your work wont get lost in the thread by being posted “up above”

            But does anyone see the value of haivng a side thread that has a compelling topic like this one?

            Surely poeple who are Really interested in a specfic topic, as is the case here, would scroll back up to continue the conversation. No?

            Im not campaining for this…just curious.

          • jp says:

            I’m generally not a fan of scrolling back up to look for potential additions to a side thread.

            I actually generally only do when I’ve posted something and want to check if there are replies.

            (reading this now for the 1st time)

          • N64 says:

            I like the nested reply when i think the comment does not need any down thread visibility. e.g. most responses to the troll. But also to regular posters who reply to nested replys.

        • New Improved Darkness says:

          Andy Dufresne,

          One minute you’re writing “regression to the mean” with serious intent and the next minute you’re reading “regression to the meat” after your fingers make a Freudian slip—perhaps due to excess hand lotion—and suddenly your disobedient butter fingers are tasked with cutting your prose from mini-reply to maxi-reply, because red meat is collective krill.

          Not every quip is property of the room. But accidental notes sometimes take on a life of their own, so you don’t always end up where you intended to go.

          Really, the scope decision should be postponed until you press the appropriate “post comment” button, but then you end up dividing the initial decision about what to quote and the final decision of what scope to post into two smaller decisions, and that gets a bit cluttered.

          One of the features I don’t like about bottom-posting is that you lose your reading position. Also, I prefer typing into my comment box in local context while composing. But really, striving to contribute to the room as a whole needs to remain job #1. The right psychology is to type local, think global. Of course, the group attention span is also finite, and if your comment really is the third scintillating moon around some transient asteroid of cursory notice, posting locally is the right move.

          • Andy Dufresne says:

            ~ Look….if you’re not going to take this serioulsy, then why respond at all ~

            🙂 haha

            But seriously. I really like ” … striving to contribute to the room as a whole needs to remain job #1. The right psychology is to type local, think global.”

            It should go on a plaque above the door of the Lowetide Cafe.

            Im going to put a peice of tape over my laptop camera hole now. Your comment about excessive hand lotion has me paranoid.

            Question for you. Is stylistic prose either of, an obsession or a compulsion for you. Something you love? A career?

            I mean correct me if Im wrong, but words like that / prose like yours dont flow naturally unless you are using them / tuning them almost constantly. No?

  76. Jethro Tull says:

    3-4-1

    Those who know, know.

  77. Jethro Tull says:

    I have been a big proponent for trades before, but this time I wouldn’t be upset if Kenny did nothing.

  78. slopitch says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Ennis has always been sheltered and is generally a breaks even on gf and dff%. I see him as capable of playing with McDavid like Gagner or Rattie can. I think they need more in the playoffs and prefer a player who can help push the river.

    Sheary has experience playing toughs and doing it well but he was playing with Sid. Sheary has been mostly sheltered on Buffalo but doing fine. So overall I like him better. Unfortunately i havent seen buffalo play at all so I cant comment other than his numbers.

    I prefer spending assets on Palmeri, Hall or Tatar myself. But shopping in the bargain isle is also reasonable. Just be right in any decision ie dont overpay 🙂

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: I think that’s exactly it.

    Perhaps there are multiple teams interested in a close to 2P/60 winger on a cheap expiring contract?

    I think Dorion may be digging in with multiple suitors.

  80. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ryan,

    It’s a good assessment and I don’t disagree with any of it. But in terms of organizational damage, they pissed away a better 3C in Strome for nothing and I’ll take a Taylor Hall Hart Trophy year over Larsson’s contract term now ten times to Tuesday.

    Where I absolutely agree with you is how the lens chosen affects the damage assessment after. Take WG for instance, because of the Parkatti anecdote, he 100% associates trading the #16 pick with losing Barzal. That is textbook loss aversion behaviour. Humans perceive losses as having greater weight than gains. The Oilers completely whiffed on a 1OV and 4OV! Empirically and objectively, that is WAY worse than trading 16 and 33 (even in a deep draft). But the level of hysteria on Yakupov and JP doesn’t approach anywhere near the same as the Reinhart trade because the Oilers gained a player (allegedly) as opposed to losing two lottery tickets. Loss aversion.

    Would I want EE and Carlo? Without a doubt. I’d also like Hall, Strome, Pronger, Weight, and Gretz back too if we’re rewriting history.

    • Ryan says:

      I always understood loss aversion as something that affected us in a forward thinking decision process. The stock I bought just dropped 50%, now I won’t sell it because I’ll lose $20k today if I do, so instead I’ll ride it out until I’ve lost most of the rest of the money left in another two months…

      I’ve never considered loss aversion to work retrospectively.

      The Strome trade was one in the litany of poor Oilers decisions. EE is cheaper, younger, not inflated by Panerin, , and in better contract position.Both losses.

      As for Yakuoov and JP, I think we spend less time considering those losses because the decision process in drafting them was sound at the time. Both were consensus BPA. If the Oilers had gone walk about on draft day and selected them over other players that were ranked higher, we’d spend more time lamenting those draft picks. In other words, we were mostly onboard with these decisions and therefore culpable in the mistakes made.

      That’s the difference. We weren’t at all culpable in the Reinhart trade.

      As far as Barzal, you make it sound like we’re talking about a player here that none of us ever considered until ex post facto

      Go back to the threads. There were endless discussions here about Barzal pre-draft.

      I don’t think you’re giving people enough credit here. That’s the discrepancy.

      Look at the Reinhart trade thread. I remember exactly one astute poster wrote, “Barzal will be the new Parise.”

      • Bag of Pucks says:

        You’re probably right that I don’t give this community enough credit, because I don’t envision a scenario whereby the pick we preferred in theory influences the actual action the Oilers take.

        This is why I made the joke about the threesome. I can prefer the threesome outcome all I want. Doesn’t make it reality.

        Getting angry over wishes that don’t come true isn’t a rational recipe for happiness.

        • Ryan says:

          We obviously don’t have any actual influence.

          If the Oilers do what most us collectively want and it doesn’t turn out, we don’t tend to look back…

          If the Oilers do something that’s obviously stupid at the time, not what most of us would have chosen and it doesn’t turn out, then we can stop looking back.

          We want Parise! Parise!

  81. Andy Dufresne says:

    Im having flashbacks to my Jr High Prom night.

    Seems as though we’ve got our dance partners narrowed down to Ottawa, Detroit and Buffalo.

    So, we’re definitely going to be getting a player that the three worst teams in the league dont want anymore.

    #Cavalry

    #ComeMonday

    #CheapSuds

  82. Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville says:

    OriginalPouzar: Samorukov does this as well – he is very aggressive defending the blueline – in fact, too aggressive, needs to learn to pick his spots better.

    On that note, as awesome as that play was by Broberg, that play was a six inch bounce away from becoming a grade A scoring chance, if not a breakaway for the bad guys. One could argue that it was a little overly aggressive and he got lucky.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    How fun is it going to be when the flames pull a Habs and lose to Detroit today?

  84. jtblack says:

    anyword on McMuffin yet?

    Playing?

  85. hunter1909 says:

    tileguy:
    Just a cute term of endearment.

    Seems about as cute as car seats for children.

  86. hunter1909 says:

    jtblack:
    anyword on McMuffin yet?

    Playing?

    Horcoff retired years ago.

  87. jtblack says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Looks like we can all Agree that the
    Hall Trade
    Reinhart Trade &
    Strome Trade

    all set to Org back to some degree and prob cost 2 – 3 yrs of the McDavid Era competitiveness.

    It does look like Edm has “recovered” and as Long as Ken can build amd not Destroy (Pete); looks like the Balance Photo should arrive as early as Sept

    IN KEN WE TRUST

  88. jp says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    jp,

    http://puckiq.com/woodwowy?player=8471242&teammate=8475747

    Thank you. I’d forgotten the WOWYs were available on your site now.

    Combining all situations it looks like DFF% for “Green with Nemeth” and “Green without Nemeth” is basically a wash, no? (any reason PuckIQ doesn’t give the WOWYs for total minutes?).

    I still think Green *could* be capable of much more than just Benning concussion insurance but who knows. If Holland really is considering a Larsson move then there’ll be some important minutes that need to be covered.

  89. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    3 points in last 10 games and ice time dropped to 15-16 min
    Got a dead cat bounce in mtl but looks like he’s reverting to the meat
    I would not pay the 2nd round pick which is the rumored ask and don’t have a 3rd rounder as it’s locked up

  90. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Namestikov has the worst fancies of all 4 guys and the worst scoring over the past couple of years.

    Note: Kovy looked dead in LAK and now looks like he’s 27 in MTL.Its crazy.

    I really wouldn’t want to give up more than a 5th for Kovy.

    He started off like a house on fire in Montreal, 6 points in his first 4 games.

    Then followed that with 7 points in his next 18. 32 point pace….

  91. New Improved Darkness says:

    Jethro Tull: My human? Strange choice of words.
    This is it people, our lizard overlords have revealed themselves!

    Take from a man whose lemon tree owns a horse: this is not strange lexicon whatsoever. It’s all they ever talk about when they get together, whether their horses or their humans require more daily maintenance.

    When we “humans” also get together as an entourage of fifth wheels, we could probably discuss among ourselves how we’ve all learned to conform our bodies into enticing saddle shapes to have any shot at all at gaining some quality sack time, but we’re all too sheepish to trade notes.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      ~ Ahh….Thats just a bunch of horse lemons! ~

      But I do LOVE the phrase… “We’re all too sheepish to trade notes” 🙂

  92. Bag of Pucks says:

    Human beings can actually improve their lives substantially by training themselves to better understand loss aversion.

    When we lose a loved one for instance, we can often grieve for months if not years. Conversely, when we welcome a new child, we experience joy for weeks/months before this gain rapidly becomes our new normal.

    By training our mind to put losses in proper context and extending the appreciation felt for gains realized, we can significantly improve our overall quality of life.

    Consider that we lost 16 and 33 but gained Connor freakin’ McDavid in the same draft!!!

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      +1

      :The Gift” is Life; The good AND the bad.

      #RunTheRIghtNarrative

      #Gratitude

      • pts2pndr says:

        I will buy what you are saying. I have a different look on life having held life in my hands. I would not wish that on anyone. We need to learn to see the beauty that is around us! We have amazing people and potential. We have to learn to help one another to be better. This site is a special place thanks to so many!
        Go oilers Go?

  93. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    EE and Carlo are exactly who Bob has said the draft targets were if they’d retained the picks.

    Multiple times.

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    McDavid confirmed in tonight – no surprise here given he makes 12 healthy forwards.

    • PokeCheck says:

      OriginalPouzar:
      McDavid confirmed in tonight – no surprise here given he makes 12 healthy forwards.

      Fantastic! I’ll be attending my first Oilers game since a memorable 7-1 drubbing from the (then) Stanley Cup-winning Blackhawks at Rexall which was (obviously) pre-McDavid.

  95. Bag of Pucks says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Bag of Pucks,

    EE and Carlo are exactly who Bob has said the draft targets were if they’d retained the picks.

    Multiple times.

    Not Barzal and Aho. Got it.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    McDavid will start on a line with Chiasson and Gagner which is pretty gross but not surprising (as I figured he’d want to keep Archie with Sheahan (and Benson hopefully)).

    At the end of the day, even though Chiasson and Gagner are, well, they are what they are, adding McDavid does make it a legit top 6 line which means this team has two legit top 6 lines and a legit 3rd line (in my opinion).

  97. hunter1909 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Fun Fact O’ The Day:

    “In Ken We Trust”

    is actually printed on the Dutch Guilder.

    “Was” until 2002. No need to thank me.

  98. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m quite excited to see Bear on PP1 along with McDavid.

    I hope they are able to find a way to sneak Bear down to the Ovechkin/Stamkos spot for the cross-seam.

    In is avail yesterday, Bear did seem to have a “shooters mentality” – hopefully its not just from the point but from a dangerous scoring area.

    It will be interesting for sure. Bear scored a lot of goals in Jr. And adding a right shot, who can pass as well as shoot *sounds* like it should work.

    A little tangent about the D shooting on the PP. I was thinking about Klefbom and I feel like he’s wasting less PP point shots this year (IMO he was shooting too much in the past).

    Looking at his 5v4 shots/60 by year (he’s played 150+ 5v4 minutes each of the last 4 years):
    16-17 9.0
    17-18 15.9
    18-19 10.4
    19-20 8.4

    And iCF/60 (shot attempts):
    16-17 24.3
    17-18 31.8
    18-19 21.9
    19-20 18.8

    Compare to the Oilers 5v4 CF/60 and SF/60:
    16-17 107.1 55.8
    17-18 105.4 56.4
    18-19 96.1 52.1
    19-20 98.7 53.7

    Klefbom peaked in 17-18 but his shots and shot attempts on the PP are the lowest they’ve ever been.

    The team too is taking less shots and scoring more goals. It’s definitely been a huge positive for the team trying to move it into the slot more rather than wasting shots from the point.

  99. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Tyler Benson

    I’m really enjoying watching the local product get his feet wet in the NHL. At times he looks like Bambi out there with shaky skates but this is expected when you play your first NHL games. The good news is that I don’t think skating will be an issue, its not what he relies on as part of his game. He seems very aware defensively and I notice him coming back early to defend his zone. Seems like Tippet got the message through to him that he can’t get caught too deep in the opponents end. When he gets his hands on the puck he seems to make a smart play almost every time. Maybe not this year but I can see him playing with McDavid and making smart neutral zone plays to send McDavid in with speed.

  100. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Looking at Tyler Ennis stats and he looks very underwhelming. Hope Holland doesn’t grab this guy.

  101. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McDavid confirmed in tonight – no surprise here given he makes 12 healthy forwards.

    This puts an end to my ridiculous 10 game McDavidless mini season where the Oilers needed to get 6 wins or equivalent then in 5 games instead managed to get 5 out of the 6 points I thought they’d need.

    Having McGenius back? Guaranteed playoffs baby!

  102. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Can’t wait to see Bear on the power play. Hope Tippet at least gives it a few games.

  103. hunter1909 says:

    1 – The way this board agonizes over “losing” Barzal makes me wonder whether or not teams used to agonize over not drafting Mark Messier lol

    2 – The worst Oilers trade ever wasn’t the Gretzky trade it was the Messier for that overblown plug Bernie Nicholls. That ended the Oilers dynasty forever. Nicholls and Vince Damphousse as star players yikes.

  104. drglen says:

    Khaira for future considerations.

    Why would we trade for green when we have Bouchard? Only if he’s dirt cheap and amounts to a rental for this year only, with some giveaways thrown in… Khaira for example.

    I think we can assume K. Russels career is likely over at this point? I’m surprised nothing has been said.

    The cost will be too high for Ennis and Namestikov.

    Thorton? move would be made already. He wants too much I’m thinking.

    prediction… 10 minutes to deadline deal for Kovalchuck.

  105. N64 says:

    Why such low odds? Actual downside risk on the bet? Or just rationing the available units? Just can’t see giving up any depth before the summer.

  106. jp says:

    Ryan: Really, we can look back at the trade from a number of different perspectives. Looking at it from each lens individually and then collectively.

    Great post.

    It hurt considerably to read.

  107. Pescador says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Not at all. Its a common misconception that you need to meet someone to assess thier character.

    #Avery

    I would add that it is just my opinion. Im not a Physcologist or an FBI Profiler; But I play one on the interwebs.

    I can appreciate this,
    I myself happen to be a handsome, millionaire scientist
    irresistible to the opposite & non-opposite sex

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Nice.

      Million makes you attractive

      Billion makes you irresistinble. 🙂

      #AustinPowers

    • pts2pndr says:

      The people that you need to be close to you are those that accept you for you! There are many that will appear to like you because of what you have. Trust those who keep you real! True caring tells it like it is. Remember to stay true to who you are!

  108. godot10 says:

    Ryan:
    Bag of Pucks,

    I don’t think Carlo is cherry picking. I listen to Stauffer fairly regularly and he’s intimated that Carlo would have been the pick along with Eriksson Ek..

    Chiarelli was NOT sitting there with the picks with the available names on the board at #15 and #31. We have no idea what the possible scenarios were. The best case was Barzal/Aho perhaps. But somebody could have traded up on the floor for #15 to get Barzal, and given Chiarelli another asset. After all Barzal was on the board. Not every scouting department in the NHL thinks the same.

    Eriksson Ek and Carlo is only on of the average possible scenarios.

    With a high degree of probability, the Reinhart trade cost the Oilers a middle six forward and and 2nd pair defensemen both affordable in the heart of the McDavid cluster.

  109. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors vs. Colorado Eagles; February 22nd, 2020; first run, 11/7

    Stukel – McLeod – Maksimov
    Gambardella – Granlund – Currie
    Koules – Esposito – Peluso
    Starrett – Hebig

    Manning – Kulevich
    Lowe – Day
    Samorukov – Persson
    Desharnais

  110. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McDavid will start on a line with Chiasson and Gagner which is pretty gross but not surprising

    See this is why pretty much any of the pickups (including the bargain bin ones) are almost guaranteed to be helpful on some level. Ennis, Sheary, Kovalchuk, Namestnikov etc etc. Honestly I’m missing Neal and Kassian right now lol.

    Of course still great news McDavid is confirmed back in despite his linemates!

  111. Pescador says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    You’re probably right that I don’t give this community enough credit, because I don’t envision a scenario whereby the pick we preferred in theory influences the actual action the Oilers take.

    This is why I made the joke about the threesome. I can prefer the threesome outcome all I want. Doesn’t make it reality.

    Getting angry over wishes that don’t come true isn’t a rational recipe for happiness.

    Jethro Tull:
    I have been a big proponent for trades before, but this time I wouldn’t be upset if Kenny did nothing.

    I have always been a big proponent for action,
    Wouldn’t be the first time I had to settle for a menage a mois

  112. pts2pndr says:

    jp:
    Green is interesting IMO.

    He’s 34 so he could have some gas left in the tank. The DFFs look competent and likewise his SF% relative to team has remained solid (this year are his lowest on ice SH% AND on ice SV% of his entire career, hence his GF% and +/- tanking).

    He’s still playing 21 minutes a night and up until this season he’s been scoring ~0.5 PPG. I bet he could add a bit of offence to the back end.

    He should be cheap and if Yzerman is willing to retain half I think adding Green is a nice depth move at minimum. And honestly, I think there’s a decent to good chance he’s actually a better option than either Larsson or Benning at 2RD for the duration of 2020.

    It also gives some coverage if Holland is thinking about moving Larsson for a winger (Kapanen!) as has been speculated.

    Edit: I also *think* Green would be a better on ice option than Bouchard for the duration (in addition to it being probably better for Bouchard to stay in the A for now).

    You need to give your head a shake. You would be getting an old Green not the Green of old. If I seemed harsh my apologies. We need to see this team moving forward with youth and skill!

  113. fries n gravy says:

    https://twitter.com/rusprospects/status/1231658727276716034?s=21

    Konovalov still has one more year on his KHL contract. Look for him in 2021 training camp.

    Rodrigue will likely start in the ECHL next year.

    Those are the two kids to keep an eye on, assuming Dave Ayres isn’t signed!

  114. fries n gravy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Samorukov does this as well – he is very aggressive defending the blueline – in fact, too aggressive, needs to learn to pick his spots better.

    Sammy was pure filth in junior.

  115. N64 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Going through the comments yesterday, I’ve seen a lot of misinterpretation and strawman building in regards to my Reinhart trade posts. So I’m going to restate my position in as black & white terms as I can.

    The Barzal and Aho drumbeat is annoying enough that I’ll finally break radio silence and reveal what really happened internally that day according to a source that knows the 2nd cousin of our zamboni driver’s florist:

    Chia was gobsmacked when the submitted draft board had Bear at #16 BPA and Jones as #33 BPA. Nuts. No chance those guys go in the first two rounds. Are you guys absolutely convinced those are the best players available at those spots? When he finally realized they were dead serious he had this great idea. Why don’t we get those guys in the third and fourth rounds and use the first picks to get immediate help on the D while we wait for those D to emerge. That’s the fateful moment where he turned to former Oil King GM Bob Green… Adios Ek. Adios Carlo.

  116. Pescador says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Chernobyl; A Russian heater.

    #AfterMath

    Just starting to watch the Chernobyl, incredible series so far.
    Scouting report 3 episodes in.
    1. Dad was a firefighter, that part of the story is fascinating/tragic.
    2. Russian officials remind me of Oiler management before Holland arrived.
    3. Love the coal miners.
    *Grandpa was an English coal miner, just like the actors on HBO*

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Yes Yes and Yes

      Not to raise any controversy (controvosy as the English say)

      But we hail fire-fighters as heros for the job they do. It is deserved.

      But Coal Miners die at a MUCH higher rate than do firefighters. And its not close. Millions of men go to work each day knowing that they stand an above average probability of injury or death.

      Your dad was a hero of sorts. Your Grandfather too….imo

      The Chernobyl Series brings this home in spades.
      ;
      ;
      ;
      If you agree with what Ive said here please make your dontations out the Marxist Lenonist Society of Canada……….KIDDING!
      .
      .
      .
      We now return you to you’re regulary scheduled programming

  117. Bag of Pucks says:

    Whenever someone insists the Yakupov pick was based on a sound methodology, I think, “Here’s a person who’s resistant to learning or improving.”

    Never mind that the actual methodology was the Owner overruling the scouts, poor output is the clearest indication of flawed inputs/process. In this case, I suspect the flaw was scouts undervaluing the negative impacts of Nail’s poor puck sense and system play retention.

    When a process spits out crap, you don’t shrug your shoulders or pat yourself on the back that you did the right thing. You troubleshoot, iterate and improve.

    Saying the Yakupov pick was a sound methodology is a bit like a CEO saying, “we did all the right things right up to our bankruptcy.”

    • N64 says:

      If methodology 2 is to throw away the output from methodology 1 it says a lot about exactly one of those.

      • Bag of Pucks says:

        It does indeed but MacKenzie, Central Scouting, HockeyNews, etc. all had Yak at No. 1 so we can’t put this on Katz alone.

        As long as all of the involved parties insist the process was sound, it will stay flawed and we’ll continue to have 1OV busts on occasion.

        The problem with consensus rankings behaviourally is human beings tend to avoid change unless their own nose is getting bloodied by the mistake.

        It was a bad year to win the lottery I guess.

    • pts2pndr says:

      You are an asset to this community as I see it even though I do not always agree with you. I do believe you bring value and for that thank you.

    • LMHF#1 says:

      Never discount the negative impact that Eakins had on this team, and on specific careers of individual players.

      When you destroy someone in their formative seasons, they don’t just bounce back and become what they always should’ve. It doesn’t work that way.

  118. frjohnk says:

    Reinhart, Hall and Strome trades were bad but

    The worst oilers trade in the last half decade is the 2nd rounder we sent to Boston for Chia.

    And the second worst trade is probably the 3rd rounder for Todd McClellan.

    Strome, Sleppy,JP, I’m sure there are others, are doing quite well today.

    Heck in LA, Kovalchuk was done according to Todd.

    In Montreal, he looks pretty damn good.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      2nd rounder for Chia
      3rd rounder for Todd.

      Love it!

      #OutOfTheBoxThinking
      #CaseClosed

    • geowal says:

      Chia then would have the interesting distinction of being both the worst trade and the worst free agent signing!

    • pts2pndr says:

      Where you been! Chia was stuck with MacLellan. So called inherited! Players that Chia brought in were either not played and or given limited ice time. There was a disconnect that was incomprehensible! MacLellan has been a coach that has a vision of what he wants as a team. San Jose tried to appease him to no avail. This in Edmonton resulted in several years of failures after his hire.

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    Haven’t had a chance to keep up to date with the European prospects as much as usual but Konovalov with a 34 save shutout for his fourth of the season – he’s recovering nicely after a tough start to the season.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Bruce McCurdy has an excellent column / in depth look at Konovalov over at the Journal (updated Aug 6th 2019)

      “In their evergreen search to draft an NHL-calibre stopper, Edmonton Oilers look to KHL phenom Ilya Konovalov”

      If we’re adding an Ilya to the roster anytime soon, let it be this guy.

  120. jp says:

    pts2pndr: You need to give your head a shake.You would be getting an old Green not the Green of old. If I seemed harsh my apologies. We need to see this team moving forward with youth and skill!

    First, I didn’t suggest building around Green going forward. I’m talking about whether this player might be useful over the last 21 games and through the playoffs. This season.

    Second, the player is not at all far removed from being useful. His GF% has fallen off a cliff this year but his SF% and DFF% remain at or above team average (yes, on a very bad team). One could argue he’s remained useful this year but just been unlucky. Maybe he’s done but really only his GF% suggests that, not any of his underlying numbers.

    He also hasn’t produced much offense this season. But in terms of adding skill, if you look at the 3 seasons before this one Green is top 20 in P/60 for defensemen.

    Maybe it’s gone now, but the skill was there last season (1.36 P/60, 13th among NHL D). Hell, he outscored every every Oiler in 5v5 P/60 last year aside from McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge and Khaira (1.38/60). Nurse was the top D at 1.04/60.

    Maybe I’m out to lunch, but the cost for Green should be very low and the upside seems to me like it could be significant.

    • pts2pndr says:

      I did not mean to be dismissive. The team D is above average in quality and depth. The rational add in my opinion would be a top six forward to play with McDavid. This would give us two very good lines. My apologies if I was out of line. I have you on my list of posters that I appreciate. It would however seem to me that for seemingly forever D is not one of our concerns.

  121. leadfarmer says:

    Does the league have some sort of a deal with TSN to not approve any trades the weekend before the trade deadline?
    Seems odd that the activity dies a few days before the trade deadline

  122. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Oilers’ European prospects offer interesting options for the future

    https://theathletic.com/1628807/2020/02/23/lowetide-oilers-european-prospects-offer-interesting-options-for-the-future/

    • Bag of Pucks says:

      LT glances at site comments. “Yep. Still boring” he mutters before resuming work on his latest Athletic opus. 😜

      Camera zooms out to reveal a framed photo of Bill James while Zuma plays quietly in the background and the dog snores on LT’s lap.

  123. Wonder Llama says:

    400 quatloos on the newcomers!

  124. defmn says:

    leadfarmer:
    Does the league have some sort of a deal with TSN to not approve any trades the weekend before the trade deadline?
    Seems odd that the activity dies a few days before the trade deadline

    The free traders are done. We are down to the grinders now. 😉

  125. hunter1909 says:

    Hilarious knashing of teeth today over:

    – the worst ever Oilers trades(too many to mention)

    – players the Oilers “might” have drafted, yet didn’t

    – Ways to improve the Oilers at the deadline without taking anything including cap space into account

    A big fat W tonight should help stem a lot of this pernicious-ness

    • VanIsleOil says:

      Agreed… but we can seemingly forever rehash Barzal, Oil mismanagement from days gone by…yadayadayada.
      Will be nice when we can move on from draft mistakes from years ago…yawn
      Seems we don’t know to handle a winning team.

  126. Victoria Oil says:

    Tonight could be the night that Nuge finally hits 50 points. Surprised no one is talking about this.

  127. maudite says:

    Well played. As I was reading that last point, my brain was preparing to reply with “you might have missed tying an onion around your belt”…

    But no sir, you did not. I tip my hat to and bid you a good day.
    Wonder Llama,

    • Wonder Llama says:

      Thank you, sir.

      Still waiting to see if anyone got the joke in “GET GOOD PLAYERS, KEEP GOOD PLAYERS.”

      While we’re at it, may as well post the last bits from BONE207 and the interactive element.

      PART B: BONE-US SECTION! – Entries added by BONE207 last November

      LAST CHANCE TEXACO: A mythical gas station where you either catch the plane to stardom or catch the bus/hitch hike your ass out of the land of milk and honey that is the NHL.

      HOUSE AT THE SIDE OF THE ROAD: Slow moving defensemen, forwards that have slow boots and generally anything slower than the speed of light as compared to CONNOR.

      CLOSE ENOUGH FOR JAZZ: The premise that jazz music, often played by four musicians doing different songs, is a good equivalent of among different players doing different things in hockey to be successful.

      WOODGUY: He is the echoing voice heard down the streets of the book, 1984. He tells you what you are doing wrong, how you should see things and has a house with a moat that features a complex to manufacture torches and pointy things.

      PART C: COLLABORATIVE COMMUNITY SECTION

      Here are some of the terms suggested by the community that I don’t feel confident defining. Some I have missed/forgotten completely like The Vaunt or Violently Disagree. Some I just don’t remember well enough like the details of the Pike’s Peak story or why we blame Woodguy’s phone for everything.

      ACID EATER (GREBESHKOV?)
      ALAS (ANTON LANDER APPRECIATION SOCIETY)
      BARBARA ANN SCOTT
      BECAUSEOILERS
      DRAFT BIBLE (THE HOCKEY NEWS)
      DYS
      FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE FIVE TIMES
      FUCK YOU BOOKJE
      PIKE’S PEAK STORY
      PUBIS THING
      PARDUBICE PRINCE
      RED WINE SUMMIT
      THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS
      THE VAUNT
      TOONCES TAMBELLENI
      VIOLENTLY DISAGREE
      WOODGUY’S PHONE

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    drglen:
    Khaira for future considerations.

    Why would we trade for green when we have Bouchard?Only if he’s dirt cheap and amounts to a rental for this year only, with some giveaways thrown in…Khaira for example.

    I think we can assume K. Russels career is likely over at this point?I’m surprised nothing has been said.

    The cost will be too high for Ennis and Namestikov.

    Thorton?move would be made already.He wants too much I’m thinking.

    prediction… 10 minutes to deadline deal for Kovalchuck.

    Kris Russell has been skating with the team now.

    Why would one suggest his season is over let alone his career?

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    fries n gravy:
    https://twitter.com/rusprospects/status/1231658727276716034?s=21

    Konovalov still has one more year on his KHL contract.Look for him in 2021 training camp.

    Rodrigue will likely start in the ECHL next year.

    Those are the two kids to keep an eye on, assuming Dave Ayres isn’t signed!

    The timing is fantastic.

    Konovalov will be available to sign at the same time that the ELCs of Skinner and Wells term out – the organization will get to do a full analysis and decide which goalies they want to keep moving forward at the time (in addition to Rodrigue).

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: Just starting to watch the Chernobyl, incredible series so far.
    Scouting report 3 episodes in.
    1. Dad was a firefighter, that part of the story is fascinating/tragic.
    2. Russian officials remind me of Oiler management before Holland arrived.
    3. Love the coal miners.
    *Grandpa was an English coal miner, just like the actors on HBO*

    I tried to watch it twice and both times couldn’t get past 30 minutes of the first episode – it was doing nothing for me.

    I was quite surprised as I had/have read nothing but sparkling reviews. I was very disappointed that it didn’t do it for me.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Its kind of like reading Tolstoy…..you just have to get past the first 300 pages.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      That’s unfortunate. You didn’t allow them time to build the premise or set the stage of relevance/development of the characters. At least give it two episodes.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Buffalo takes a 2-1 lead on the Jets half way through the 3rd period.

    Dallas holds a 2-1 lead on Chicago approaching the half way point of the 3rd.

  132. Bag of Pucks says:

    Wonder Llama,

    Slayer instead of player.

    Btw, if a go fund me page appeared where the objective was a book with each page featuring one of these definitions accompanied by a clever illustration, I’d buy that in a heartbeat.

  133. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors vs. Colorado Eagles; February 22nd, 2020; after 20

    20CF-12CA
    9FF-8FA
    3GF-0GA

    Top F: Peluso (2.06 Game Score)
    1 shot attempt, 1 shot assist
    1 goal, 1 assist
    6CF-4CA
    4FF-2FA
    2GF-0GA

    Top D: Manning (1.10 Game Score)
    0 shot attempt, 2 shot assists
    1 assist
    6CF-3CA
    4FF-3FA
    1GF-0GA

  134. Munny says:

    Wonder Llama,

    You are one wonderful Llama. Three outstanding volumes in the Llexicon of Llowetide.

    I should make it into a poster or something…

  135. Munny says:

    Pescador: Just starting to watch the Chernobyl, incredible series so far.
    Scouting report 3 episodes in.
    1. Dad was a firefighter, that part of the story is fascinating/tragic.
    2. Russian officials remind me of Oiler management before Holland arrived.
    3. Love the coal miners.
    *Grandpa was an English coal miner, just like the actors on HBO*

    On my first attempt at watching it, I turned it off after about 15 minutes, it wasn’t doing anything for me.

    But I went back to it about a month later, and was absolutely engrossed.

  136. Reja says:

    hunter1909:
    Hilarious knashing of teeth today over:

    – the worst ever Oilers trades(too many to mention)

    – players the Oilers “might” have drafted, yet didn’t

    – Ways to improve the Oilers at the deadline without taking anything including cap space into account

    A big fat W tonight should help stem a lot of this pernicious-ness

    I’m still trying to come to grips on the Miroslav Šatan nickel and dime salary dump.

  137. meanashell11 says:

    Wonder Llama:
    Thank you, sir.

    Still waiting to see if anyone got the joke in “GET GOOD PLAYERS, KEEP GOOD PLAYERS.”

    While we’re at it, may as well post the last bits from BONE207 and the interactive element.

    PART B: BONE-US SECTION! – Entries added by BONE207 last November

    LAST CHANCE TEXACO: A mythical gas station where you either catch the plane to stardom or catch the bus/hitch hike your ass out of the land of milk and honey that is the NHL.

    HOUSE AT THE SIDE OF THE ROAD: Slow moving defensemen, forwards that have slow boots and generally anything slower than the speed of light as compared to CONNOR.

    CLOSE ENOUGH FOR JAZZ: The premise that jazz music, often played by four musicians doing different songs, is a good equivalent of among different players doing different things in hockey to be successful.

    WOODGUY: He is the echoing voice heard down the streets of the book, 1984. He tells you what you are doing wrong, how you should see things and has a house with a moat that features a complex to manufacture torches and pointy things.

    PART C: COLLABORATIVE COMMUNITY SECTION

    Here are some of the terms suggested by the community that I don’t feel confident defining. Some I have missed/forgotten completely like The Vaunt or Violently Disagree. Some I just don’t remember well enough like the details of the Pike’s Peak story or why we blame Woodguy’s phone for everything.

    ACID EATER (GREBESHKOV?)
    ALAS (ANTON LANDER APPRECIATION SOCIETY)
    BARBARA ANN SCOTT
    BECAUSEOILERS
    DRAFT BIBLE (THE HOCKEY NEWS)
    DYS
    FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE FIVE TIMES
    FUCK YOU BOOKJE
    PIKE’S PEAK STORY
    PUBIS THING
    PARDUBICE PRINCE
    RED WINE SUMMIT
    THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS
    THE VAUNT
    TOONCES TAMBELLENI
    VIOLENTLY DISAGREE
    WOODGUY’S PHONE

    Pardubice Prince is Hemsky

  138. defmn says:

    Chicago & Winnipeg both lose in regulation.

  139. Gerta Rauss says:

    Wonder Llama,

    A brief update on the above while I watch well paid PGA professionals drive the golf ball all over the ballpark

    Acid Eater = Grebeshkov aka “He’s wearing his tin foil hat again” Grebs penchant for looking like and NHL’er one moment and the next…well…not so much

    Barbara Ann Scott – a comment made by Pat Quinn, in regards to his disdain for his defenceman wanting to skate the puck out the D zone rather than pass it or “off the glass and out” see also Lubo Visnovsky

    BecauseOilers – a Woodguy quote iirc, a general shrug of the shoulders type of comment when trying to reconcile the reasoning behind a myriad of Oilers decision making during the DoD

    Dys – arguably the most asked about “ism” in the Lowetide universe. A derisive comment by Dennis King when discussing the “Dynasty” teams created by the Vancouver Canucks…subsequently shortened to the “Dys”

    Fuck you Bookie-this was actually created by Bookie himself, a long time resident that hasn’t been ’round these part for a long time now. I can’t recall the exact comments, but he was arguing a point with himself, and subsequently suggested to himself that he fuck right off…or something

    Pubis thing – our beloved host’s illegitimate love child, Marc Antoine Pouliot, had a pubic injury which coach Quinn may or may not have referred to his “pubis thing”. Conflicting stories on whether LT still has left a light on for this player

    Pardubice Prince = Ales Hemsky- an affectionate term created by our beloved host

    There are four lights- a reference Star Trek TNG episode “Chain of Command” and Picard’s refusal to admit to his Kardassian captor that there are 5 lights shining in his eyes, despite the viewer knowing there are 4 lights. In general terms, a refusal of an opinion that is demonstrably incorrect

    Violently Disagree- I think the actual term is Violently Agree, but those that think otherwise may violently disagree with me

    Woodguys phone- a term that appeared after Darcy’s repeated inability to identify which way a player shot the puck ie: left shot or right shot, and his claim that he was “on his phone” All subsequent errors, ommissions, or snafu’s were subsequently blamed “on Woodguys phone”

  140. gogliano says:

    Jets lose.

    If the Central get a wild card it’s starting to look like it’s the Preds.

  141. Lowetide says:

    Munny:
    Wonder Llama,

    You are one wonderful Llama.Three outstanding volumes in the Llexicon of Llowetide.

    I should make it into a poster or something…

    There was a poster once, it had me laughing for hours. Every piece of the scene had a reference from the blog. Honestly it was beautiful.

    • Munny says:

      N64 has saved the link to that pic, I may even have it on my hard drive somewhere… would make a great header for the poster.

    • meanashell11 says:

      I have asked about this before.

      By the way, has the Boy in the box been done? Or whatever it was called?

      • Gerta Rauss says:

        It was originally posted by Giant Squid Overlord, and the link to the photo was posted again in the last few days. I too, have the photo saved on a hard drive somewhere, but that was 3 laptops ago. I’m sure someone will dig up the link shortly

        -see camping box in yesterdays post

  142. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Ryan,

    It’s a good assessment and I don’t disagree with any of it. But in terms of organizational damage, they pissed away a better 3C in Strome for nothing and I’ll take a Taylor Hall Hart Trophy year over Larsson’s contract term now ten times to Tuesday.

    Where I absolutely agree with you is how the lens chosen affects the damage assessment after. Take WG for instance, because of the Parkatti anecdote, he 100% associates trading the #16 pick with losing Barzal. That is textbook loss aversion behaviour. Humans perceive losses as having greater weight than gains. The Oilers completely whiffed on a 1OV and 4OV! Empirically and objectively, that is WAY worse than trading 16 and 33 (even in a deep draft). But the level of hysteria on Yakupov and JP doesn’t approach anywhere near the same as the Reinhart trade because the Oilers gained a player (allegedly) as opposed to losing two lottery tickets. Loss aversion.

    Would I want EE and Carlo? Without a doubt. I’d also like Hall, Strome, Pronger, Weight, and Gretz back too if we’re rewriting history.

    Where I absolutely agree with you is how the lens chosen affects the damage assessment after. Take WG for instance, because of the Parkatti anecdote, he 100% associates trading the #16 pick with losing Barzal.

    The 8000 people on Twitter screaming about BOS passing on him and then EDM trading out of that spot all never happened?

    I get that this place might be your only source of hockey talk outside of your real life friends but many people here are hockey junkies and are plugged into many people/blogs etc.

    Everyone who follows hockey closely in every market considers every pick that FLA (Crouse), DAL (Gurianov) , the 3 picks BOS made and the trade that EDM as “missing out on Barzal”

    And it happened in real time.

    I guess you don’t know that, but it’s fact.

    I’ll give you Aho as he wasn’t consensus there, but starting with the FLA pick at 11 my entire Twitter timeline was “holy fuck why would take X over Barzal” and it completely melted down when BOS didn’t take him.

    Barzal was *always* the 2nd best Canadian player behind McDavid throughout their teen years and the junkies know that.

    • geowal says:

      I absolutely remember watching that draft live, laughing at (in my opinion) Boston’s stupidity for passing on Barzal so many times. Never did it occur to me that the Oilers would pass too, I thought it was a sure thing (though they may well have exceeded that stupidity, I still thought Chia was the smart guy).

      Then it happened. In an instant the McDavid draft became a disappointment for me.

  143. Andy Dufresne says:

    OK People. Stay Alert.

    Window closes in less than 24 hours.

    Enjoy the game.

    Peace Out.

  144. hunter1909 says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Quinn definitely said “pubis thing” into a microphone.
    His voice was kind of trailing off as he said it.

    Trailing off as you say stuff is definitely a Scots/Irish communication technique; and I speak from vast experience on this particular point.

    As best as can bother to meditate on why its used during the past 30 seconds I’ve spent deeply meditating on this, it’s among other reasons something to do with a Scots/Irish person not wanting to go into further detail/not all that committed to the statement to start with…

  145. Munny says:

    Acid Eater – term affectionately applied to Russian defenseman Denis Grebeshkov, a player from the Timothy Leary School of Defending. Leading data scientists fancy statters have long suspected that the consumption of acid enables defensemen to finally see the invisible bees that buzz relentlessly around the defensive zone.

  146. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I don’t doubt that is true. And I’m not sure what about that you think changes my argument? The logic still holds as far as I can see.

    This is the 3rd consecutive time you’ve done this btw. When my perspective disagrees with yours, your trump card is the people you know and associate with (Inside FLA analytics team, Parkatti, the Twitterverse). It’s like you’re using your perceived insider status to immediately brush off alternate viewpoints.

    Appeal to Authority logic from an analytics guy? An odd choice.

  147. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors vs. Colorado Eagles; February 22nd, 2020; after 40

    29CF-24CA
    17FF-15FA
    3GF-0GA

    Top F: Peluso (1.76 Game Score)
    2 shot attempts, 3 shot assists
    1 goal, 1 assist, 1 pen taken
    7CF-9CA
    5FF-5FA
    2GF-0GA

    Top D: Manning (1.21 Game Score)
    1 shot attempts, 2 shot assists
    1 assist
    8CF-4CA
    6FF-3FA
    1GF-0GA

  148. Munny says:

    Woodguy’s Phone – A modern device from the SMRT phone category with a known software bug that renders it incapable of distinguishing its right from its left. Also struggles with tying its own shoes. The phone has long since gained sentience and is now responsible for approximately 99.9% of all data reporting errors.

  149. Munny says:

    meanashell11:
    I have asked about this before.

    By the way, has the Boy in the box been done? Or whatever it was called?

    N64 posted it after your request a couple of days ago.

    Here it is (the sugar is real and spectacular):

    https://sta.sh/01qjala6vwk2

  150. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    Looking at Tyler Ennis stats and he looks very underwhelming. Hope Holland doesn’t grab this guy.

    He would be 4th on EDM in 5v5 pts/60 this year.

  151. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    drglen,

    I think we can assume K. Russels career is likely over at this point? I’m surprised nothing has been said.

    Curious why you’d consider Russell’s career done.

    Honest question.

    • drglen says:

      Obviously that was a bit mean and careless on my part, apologies.. however.. Kris has taken a beating over the years, so many blocked shots, . concussions are cumulative, have taken a few myself. I really never heard anything about the injury and things have been quiet on the news front,… and it is taking a while… skating with the team OK, but I’m wondering if this might be a good time for him to call it a career. I’m wondering what kind of advice he’s getting…….. for a smaller guy, so many shots to his body for so many years.. concussion with lingering symptoms presumably… it would be well advised arguably to step aside at this point and move on the next phase of his life in good health. I suspect, that his situation is worse than is being let on. That is all.

  152. Andy Dufresne says:

    Anthanasiou and Green pulled from the warmup as per Roger’s Ron Maclean

  153. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I don’t doubt that is true. And I’m not sure what about that you think changes my argument? The logic still holds as far as I can see.

    This is the 3rd consecutive time you’ve done this btw. When my perspective disagrees with yours, your trump card is the people you know and associate with (Inside FLA analytics team, Parkatti, the Twitterverse). It’s like you’re using your perceived insider status to immediately brush off alternate viewpoints.

    Its because you always go back to “revisionist” history and what EDM might have actually done.

    You haven’t internalized the fact that:

    Both of these things are true and it’s both of these thing that piss us off:

    1) The entire hockey universe knew that Barzal was an incredible steal at 15 in real time

    2) EDM not having Barzal as BPA there, (and FLA, DAL, and BOS) is as bad as trading the pick.

    Also,

    The Carlo thing is as revisionist history as the Aho thing.

  154. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I was intrigued with Ennis as a bottom-6 player on the cheap in the off season.

    He can produce against the soft parade, but does he have it in him to move up in a pinch against stronger QoC? He’d be playing with better linemates here than in OTT, so I’d guess yes but curious what you figure.

  155. Lowetide says:

    I’ve never told anyone this before but I have a favourite spot in our family room. I’m sitting in it right now. It’s the spot I was sitting in when Pisani scored his goal, where I was sitting when the Oilers won the lottery, where I was sitting when McDavid was chosen.

    When the television told me there was a trade, I moved over to a spot across the room. In a draft like 2015, trading down or out was a fool’s game.

    We all knew it.

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    AA and Mike Green are being healthy scratched by Detroit tonight.

    Will be even better when they beat the flames.

  157. jp says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Anthanasiou and Green pulled from the warmup as per Roger’s Ron Maclean

    Be real interesting if they moved together west and north.

    Honestly AA scares me more than Green because of his inconsistency and (presumed) acquisition cost. He could also be a huge home run obviously.

  158. N64 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Sobeys arent the only ones goingback to paper bags 🙂

    Ya. I can picture the Unknown Comic driving the Zamboni.

    https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/a-look-back-at-the-roger-neilson-paper-bag-game-and-pal-hals-theatre-of-the-absurd

  159. Andy Dufresne says:

    David Pagnotta Sportsnet says the Toronto Maple Leafs are looking to get a 1st round pick and a high prospect for Tyson Barrie – one that they can interchange with Kasperi Kapanen and use for a long-term solution on the back end.

    From a different source,
    According to multiple reports the Vancouver Canucks have stepped up their pursuit of Toronto Maple Leafs defender Tyson Barrie.

  160. fries n gravy says:

    I live close to Detroit. I like that Y is starting to form his team right now.

  161. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors vs. Colorado Eagles; February 22nd, 2020; game totals

    38CF-48CA
    24FF-28FA
    3GF-2GA

    Top F: Peluso (1.31 Game Score)
    2 shot attempts, 3 shot assists
    1 goal, 1 assist, 1 pen taken
    8CF-16CA
    6FF-10FA
    2GF-1GA

    Top D: Manning (1.11 Game Score)
    2 shot attempts, 2 shot assists
    1 assist
    12CF-11CA
    8FF-7FA
    1GF-0GA

  162. who says:

    Bag of Pucks: I can appreciate now why you avoid reading.

    Look, I know Barzal and Aho are pie in the sky hindsight. I am suggesting the odds are pretty good that the Oilers would have drafted two useful NHL players.
    But it sounds to me like you are suggesting the Oilers would have drafted Svetchnikov and Gagne. Or, if they would have drafted better players, they would have screwed up their development.
    Is this not your position?

  163. hunter1909 says:

    who: But it sounds to me like you are suggesting the Oilers would have drafted Svetchnikov and Gagne. Or, if they would have drafted better players, they would have screwed up their development.

    Until Holland + Tippett turned up to right the Oilers I would bet you $50,000 or even $100,000 of Tyson Fury’s Dad’s money the Lowe+MacT/Chiarelli Banjo playing Deliverance Oilers would have screwed up their development.

  164. Andy Dufresne says:

    As Per
    @PierreVLeBrun
    the Tampa Bay Lightning are making a strong push for free agent defender Zach Bogosian.

    From other sources

    Hard in their pursuit of Zach Bogosian – Penguins and Coyotes are the other two most interested

  165. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    My list of “secondary cheaper cost to acquire UFA rental wingers” in order of preference:

    1. Sheary
    2. Ennis
    3. Namestikov

    What do you think of Vesey?

  166. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    who: Look, I know Barzal and Aho are pie in the sky hindsight

    Consensus pick is not pie in the sky.

  167. delooper says:

    Wonder Llama,

    Todd Marchant.

  168. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: What do you think of Vesey?

    Love his fancies.

    They’re seriously great this season.

    $2.27MM UFA

    Great idea.

  169. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Consensus pick is not pie in the sky.

    I’ve never heard of picks being considered to be consensus anything past 5th overall or so. Also, after the top 5 the talent is considered to drop sharply, then after 10th or so it drops even more.

    Meanwhile the draft is a fairly fast paced affair, with I expect less than 10 minutes if that between picks and so other than being leftovers after missing the top 3, 5 or 10 spot it’s not as if they’re expecting to get Mario Lemieux or anything.

    I’m sure this Barzal(who I also hear the Oilers were not interested in) is a capable enough player but suppose they just hung onto Taylor Hall ffs to start with?

    Because Oilers!

  170. pts2pndr says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Trolls are like bacteria. Theres good bacteria and bad bacteria.

    A troll who manages himself can actually be good/useful to the overall culture.

    So is HH good bacteria? I think he just needs a snicker bar on most days.

  171. OriginalPouzar says:

    That whole, flames losing to Detroit thing is not going well early.

  172. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Love his fancies.

    They’re seriously great this season.

    $2.27MMUFA

    Great idea.


    @Woodguy55

    Poster ArmchairGM (natch) at @Lowetide’s just twigged me to Vesey in BUF.

    His fancy stats alone would have him 3rd on this list imo.

    Eichel has better results with him than without so no reason to see why McDavid would be different.

  173. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t see Toronto getting a first and a prospect for Barrie.

    On the other hand, I would love for the Canucks to give up just that (2020 or 2021 first, whichever doesn’t go to NJ via TBL).

  174. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909: I’ve never heard of picks being considered to be consensus anything past 5th overall or so. Also, after the top 5 the talent is considered to drop sharply, then after 10th or so it drops even more.

    Like BoP your “hockey opinion” realm of influence is smaller than some posters here.

    That’s not a criticism, (it could be kudos because this consumes me too much some days)

    Barzal sliding was the biggest story of the 2015 draft.

    BOS then passing on him and going so far off the board the had to make a new board eclipsed that, but it was a great big goddamn thing….and still is.

  175. ArmchairGM says:

    I hadn’t noticed just how badly the Leafs got roasted Saturday night until LT mentioned it – WOW! The funny thing is, I was in Toronto today and none of my Leafs fan friends mentioned hockey at all. Usually there’s some good-natured (and sometimes not so good-natured) ribbing about the Oilers, but today nothing.

    While I don’t think Dubious got to the top by knee-jerk reactions, there is undoubtedly a LOT of pressure on him to make a move for a defensive defenseman. If he’s interested in Larsson or Benning, I think Holland could turn the screws a bit and extract a pretty solid deal out of him.

  176. defmn says:

    ArmchairGM:
    I hadn’t noticed just how badly the Leafs got roasted Saturday night until LT mentioned it – WOW! The funny thing is, I was in Toronto today and none of my Leafs fan friends mentioned hockey at all. Usually there’s some good-natured (and sometimes not so good-natured) ribbing about the Oilers, but today nothing.

    While I don’t think Dubious got to the top by knee-jerk reactions, there is undoubtedly a LOT of pressure on him to make a move for a defensive defenseman. If he’s interested in Larsson or Benning, I think Holland could turn the screws a bit and extract a pretty solid deal out of him.

    Benning would be my guess.

  177. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Like BoP your “hockey opinion” realm of influence is smaller than some posters here.
    That’s not a criticism, (it could be kudos because this consumes me too much some days)
    Barzal sliding was the biggest story of the 2015 draft.

    Ha ha yeah you’re only 100% right there.
    I don’t pay enough attention to drafts, hoping to win cups then relax which torments me in my own way.
    Since Barzal sliding was as you say the biggest story of the 2015 draft, are other teams particularly concerned that they passed on this wunderplayer? Chiarelli might have been a Soviet spy sent to destroy the morale of the people of Edmonton for all I know.

  178. hunter1909 says:

    Victoria Oil:
    Tonight could be the night that Nuge finally hits 50 points. Surprised no one is talking about this.

    Probably because no one particularly cares what he does anymore. He’s a good player, with potential to improve, but McDavid, Draisaitl have eclipsed him.

    A 1st overall pick who performs like an elite 2nd rounder. He still goes onto a 20 season career though(never gets hurt); and seriously still possesses high level if not elite scoring talent.

  179. pts2pndr says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He would be 4th on EDM in 5v5 pts/60 this year.

    So are you saying he would be a good get for the Oilers now.

  180. defmn says:

    Kurt Leavins
    @KurtLeavins
    ·
    12m
    LA had already traded D Martinez. D Ben Hutton out of the lineup for the Kings as well tonight versus the #Oilers. Calvin Petersen in net.

  181. jp says:

    pts2pndr: I did not mean to be dismissive. The team D is above average in quality and depth. The rational add in my opinion would be a top six forward to play with McDavid. This would give us two very good lines. My apologies if I was out of line. I have you on my list of posters that I appreciate. It would however seem to me that for seemingly forever D is not one of our concerns.

    For sure adding a D like Green isn’t the biggest need for the team, I fully agree there. Adding him was presumably done at very low cost though (the 2021 3rd would be about the highest cost I’d assume).

    That cost shouldn’t have any bearing on other moves like adding a winger for McDavid, and actually might help facilitate that kind of move (for instance by allowing a Larsson for Kapanen deal or similar).

    But yeah, Green as the main deadline move by Holland makes no sense.

  182. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ugh, Cal Petterson in net for the Kings – I’ve witnessed too many plus performances by him over the last couple of years against the Condors!

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kovalchuk to Washington.

  184. Bag of Pucks says:

    Scott Cullen of TSN: saw decent value in the Reinhart trade, which saw New York use Edmonton’s pick to take prospect Mathew Barzal: “Barzal appears to be good value with the 16th pick, as he was rated significantly higher in pre-draft rankings, but 16th picks historically bring a 61.9% chance of an NHL player, with 23.8% chance of becoming a top-six forward or top-four defenceman. … Eventually, the move should pay off for the Islanders, provided Barzal is as good as advertised, but Reinhart offers an upgrade at a glaring position of need for the Oilers, so that payoff seems to be closer.”

    James O’Brien of NBC’s ProChoiceHockeyTalk had the Oilers as one of the five winners of the draft. ” They will smile upon this weekend for Connor McDavid alone, but GM Peter Chiarelli also made some interesting trades to improve the team with the likes of Cam Talbot and Griffin Reinhart.”

    And TSN’s Bob McKenzie said: “I like the move to the extent that Griffin Reinhart is not going to be a dominant NHL defenceman, but he’s going to be an NHL defenceman, and that’s what the Edmonton Oilers need if they’re going to make a step forward.”

    Allan Muir of Sports Illustrated also gave high marks to both the Islanders and the Oilers.

    “Garth Snow is a wizard,” Muir said, but added about Chiarelli: “Chiarelli made four trades over the weekend, two of which will significantly impact the team next season. He outsmarted the Rangers to acquire Cam Talbot, a potential No. 1 goalie, at a very reasonable price. He evened the scales a bit by overpaying to obtain Griffin Reinhart, but the former Islander could play on the second pair someday. Oh, and they added generational talent in Connor McDavid with the first pick. Nice job.”

    • jtblack says:

      ““Garth Snow is a wizard”. It would be Impossible for any GM to do well with those picks, BOP has already proven this 50 different ways.

      So let’s just review what actually happened.

      Well Snow (considered an average to below average GM) turned #16 & #33 into

      Barzal & Beauvillier. THIS IS NOT REVIONIST. THIS HAPPENED.

      Barzal & Beauviller are currently 1st & 3rd in Islanders scoring and will make up a part of their core for years to come.

      • Bag of Pucks says:

        Misinterpreting to suit your argument again I see. Seems to be a bit of a crutch.

        The above is posted merely to challenge the meme that all the ‘cool kids’ were doing the Barzal moan that day.

        Hockey analytics used to be a fringe movement. Now you’re not allowed to have an opinion unless you’re popular. My how times have changed.

  185. defmn says:

    Tampa Bay Lightning
    @TBLightning
    · 7m
    We have signed free agent defenseman Zach Bogosian to a one-year, $1.3 million contract.

  186. OriginalPouzar says:

    Not that i really thought Kovy was a great target for Edmonton, him going for a third rounder is showing the market for that type of tier 3 but cheap cap hit rental – damn Lucic is still hurting the team.

  187. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Kovalchuk to Washington.

    For a Third. We couldn’t match that (if Neal scores two more goals)

  188. Munny says:

    defmn:
    Tampa Bay Lightning
    @TBLightning· 7m
    We have signed free agent defenseman Zach Bogosian to a one-year, $1.3 million contract.

    I thought Braydon Coburn already played for them lol

  189. Munny says:

    Canadiens Montréal‏Verified account @CanadiensMTL · 7m7 minutes

    The Canadiens have acquired the Washington Capitals’ third-round pick in the 2020 NHL Draft, in return for forward Ilya Kovalchuk.

    • drglen says:

      ah damn… i thought we had a chance. I wonder if OV pulled some strings. I’ll cheer for him in WA.

  190. OriginalPouzar says:

    Habs retained 50% of what’s left on Kovy’s $700K deal.

    Cap hit to WSH: $77,151

  191. Fraktal says:

    Wonder Llama,

    Any chance you could put this all in a Google Docs? Makes it easier to refer and edit, as appropriate :).

  192. Darth Tu says:

    That’s totally a favour to Ovi and Kovy. I could see Kovalchuk signing with the Habs for another year or two in the summer.

  193. Faustkarz says:

    I think kovalchuk for a 3rd is an addition of a growing thought of mine that conditional picks are detrimental in that they take away multiple (mostly 2) picks away for you to deal with while the condition is occurring.

    Not an insult to holland or GM’s just a general insight on the way GM’s lose mobility while thinking they gain it

    • Faustkarz says:

      Faustkarz,

      ie. holland may have been in but cannot use his 3rd or 4th and most certainly would not use his 2nd, but our 3rd was more valuable if available

      • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

        Why not the 4th?

        • Faustkarz says:

          is the 3rd given to Calgary automatically if we trade our 4th or are both held in escrow according to OP?

          • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

            If the condition doesn’t vest, there is no pick included in the deal… at all.

            Calgary Flames Acquire:
            Milan Lucic ($750,000 retained – 12.5%)
            2020 conditional 3rd round pick* (EDM)
            *Conditions: Pick is transferred if James Neal scores 21 goals and Milan Lucic scores 10 or fewer goals than Neal in the 2019-20 season.

            Source: https://www.capfriendly.com/draft/2020&pick=79

  194. Faustkarz says:

    Faustkarz,

    If possible, maybe a way to circumvent this situation to allow more mobility to GM’s to deal is:

    Condition 3rd or 4th if condition occurs,

    if 3rd is traded in-season the 3rd is postponed next year and an addition of a 6th or 7th pick is added to add value?

  195. hunter1909 says:

    Faustkarz:
    I think kovalchuk for a 3rd is an addition of a growing thought of mine that conditional picks are detrimental in that they take away multiple (mostly 2) picks away for you to deal with while the condition is occurring.

    Not an insult to holland or GM’s just a general insight on the way GM’s lose mobility while thinking they gain it

    Get Picks. Keep Picks. Use Picks.

    Unless the team is a defending/recently cup winner like Ovechkin’s Capitals, it’s a fools game.

    • Faustkarz says:

      Ovechkin’s Capitals won the cup 1/11 seasons (that they made it); maybe getting in is just a good of a chance? (unconditional probability at 1/16)

  196. hunter1909 says:

    Darth Tu:
    That’s totally a favour to Ovi and Kovy. I could see Kovalchuk signing with the Habs for another year or two in the summer.

    I like the Caps so can jump on that bandwagon.

  197. leadfarmer says:

    I would Absolutely love it if Canucks traded a bunch of futures for Barrie and signed him to a long and expensive contract
    It’s one thing to go after him when you need a power play qb
    But this would be like Sharks trading for Karlsson when the already have Burns
    He would just cannibalize Hughes points and provide crap defense

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