I Found the Essence Rare

Holy hell the kids helped this team get to the deadline, and in fact impacted Ken Holland’s wish list today. Ethan Bear, Kailer Yamamoto and Caleb Jones arrive at the deadline as NHL regulars, and the needs of the team are in different areas than we would have thought back in August. That’s a fine season for the draft and development group.

Last night’s game saw the return of Captain McDavid, and another impressive button down effort in order to win a close game. After midnight, Ken Holland added Mike Green. Today? Has to be a scoring winger for the No. 1 line.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Jonathan Willis: Connor McDavid returns to the Oilers; now the task is to get him linemates
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers bolster blue line by acquiring Mike Green; Is a scoring winger next?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ European prospects offer interesting options for the future
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers need a left wing before the NHL trade deadline
  • Lowetide Trade Deadline: Oilers countdown to trade deadline involves age old dilemma
  • Jonathan Willis: They shoot, they don’t score: NHLers who just can’t find the back of the net
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Why cap issues mean McDavid’s return could be Oilers’ only pre-deadline move
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers lack deadline flexibility due to injuries, few assets and bonuses
  • Lowetide: Making sense of the Oilers forward depth chart for the summer
  • Lowetide: For Oilers’ Kailer Yamamoto and Leon Draisaitl, first impressions are long forgotten. Why not for Jesse Puljujarvi?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Next-night masters: How the Oilers beat the Hurricanes and improved to 6-0 in the 2nd half of back-to-backs
  • Lowetide: Oilers reap benefits of Bakersfield Condors’ strong development process, even in a losing season
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Stepping out and up, Leon Draisaitl puts himself in the Hart Trophy mix in Connor McDavid’s absence
  • Lowetide: Making sense of the Oilers defensive depth chart for the stretch run and the summer
  • Jonathan Willis: 10 overlooked trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: The Oilers trading their first-round pick is a bad idea
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 15 potential trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: Drilling down on right-handed centres for the Oilers to target before the trade deadline
  • Lowetide: If fast is the new big, the Oilers are trending in a very good direction
  • Lowetide: Why the Oilers are more likely to trade Adam Larsson than Kris Russell
  • Lowetide: Oilers prospects Evan Bouchard and Tyler Benson deliver best minor league performances in 20 years
  • Jonathan Willis: An updated list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20

OILERS AFTER 62 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015-16: 22-34-6, 50 points; goal differential -34
  • Oilers in 2016-17: 33-21-8, 74 points; goal differential +12
  • Oilers in 2017-18: 27-31-4, 58 points; goal differential -33
  • Oilers in 2018-19: 26-29-7, 59 points; goal differential -23
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 33-22-7, 73 points; goal differential +4

Tippett’s Oilers were uncomfortable in one-goal games early in the season, or maybe I was just uncomfortable watching them in those close contests. Now it seems to change little when things get tight. Good sign for the playoffs.

ON THE TENS

  • First 10 games: 7-2-1
  • Second 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Third 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Fourth 10 games: 3-6-1
  • Fifth 10 games: 6-2-2
  • Sixth 10 games: 6-3-1
  • Current 10 games: 1-1-0

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-9-0, four points; goal differential -21
  • Oilers in February 2017: 5-6-0, 10 points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in February 2018: 3-7-1, seven points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2019: 3-5-3, nine points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in February 2020: 6-4-1, 13 points; goal differential +2

Lots of good things in this month, especially when you consider several of the wins came with 97 on the shelf. This team has some iron, first Oilers team in some time with it.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: CAL, ARI (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: SJS, NAS, CHI (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • On the road to: TBY, FLA, CAR (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: BOS, MIN (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-1)
  • On the road to: LAK, ANA, VEG (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: WPG (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 6-4-1, 13 points in 11 games

This sets up the road trip well, Edmonton’s game in Anaheim on Tuesday will be another big one. Of course, btb in Vegas is wildly unfair but this is the world we live in.

OILERS 2019-20

McDavid returned and flattened the NHL with six shots, a goal and two assists. We’ll talk about the Mike Green trade in a bit, but first here are the five on five numbers unless noted, and all via Natural Stat Trick.

LINE 1 Nuge-Leon Draisaitl-Kailer Yamamoto played 16:10, going 16-10 Corsi, 9-5 shots, 1-0 goals and 7-3 HDSC.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins scored again, he’s on fire with this line. Three shots, all HDSC, created two rebounds, damn near set up Chiasson late on the power play. Leon Draisaitl scored a power-play goal and at five on five had four shots, three HDSC, took a penalty and won 12 of 19 in the dot. He was robbed late. Kailer Yamamoto scared the hell out of everyone when he appeared to twist his ankle early on. He had an assist, a great chance that was tipped over the net, and did his usual feverish forechecking.

LINE 2 Sam Gagner-Connor McDavid-Alex Chiasson played 11:49, going 7-12 Corsi, 5-8 shots, 0-1 goals and 2-2 HDSC.

Sam Gagner had one good look but missed the net, he was useful on McDavid’s goal by making sure to be enough of a threat for Doughty to respect him. McDavid was brilliant as always, seemed to be even more effective after getting screwed over by the refs. Had a goal, six shots, three HDSC, created three rebounds and had two assists that came outside five on five. Alex Chiasson had an enormous power-play chance late, but didn’t get much done five on five.

LINE 3 Tyler Benson-Riley Sheahan-Josh Archibald played 9:25, going 7-11 Corsi, 5-7 shots, no goals and 2-4 HDSC.

Tyler Benson had a good chance early on a pass to the slot from Archibald. Had a giveaway later and is starting to hold on to the puck longer, that’s a good sign. Riley Sheahan had two shots, two giveaways and won four of 12 on the dot. Josh Archibald scored an EN goal, took a penalty and skated miles. Good player. I don’t think this line will last.

LINE 4 Jujhar Khaira-Gaetan Haas-Patrick Russell played 8:22, going 7-5 Corsi, 4-1 shots, no goals and no HDSC.

Jujhar Khaira had a reasonable chance, took a late penalty and hit several people. Gaetan Haas falls down more than any athlete since Lonnie Smith, but like Smith he does it so much his recoveries are quick and explosive. Drove the Kings crazy, drew a penalty, had one shot and won two of six on the dot. We’ll know tomorrow how the team plans to use him for the rest of the year. Patrick Russell had a third period shift that made me laugh, he just would not let that puck out of the Kings zone. He’s a dogged player.

PAIRING ONE Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 23:31 together, 12-11 shots, 0-1 goals and 4-2 HDSC.

Darnell Nurse didn’t play the Dustin Brown goal well but I thought he had a fine game otherwise. Knocked down pucks, was physical, broke up plays in the neutral zone. Five shots, one HDSC. Ethan Bear played what might have been his best game of the year. Seriously. Under constant pressure, he consistently calmed the waters and sent effective outlet passes. I mean he was splendid. Two shots, TK, GV, 10 miles of great passes. Spent 1:08 on the PP.

PAIRING TWO Caleb Jones and Adam Larsson played 18:49, going 8-12 Corsi, 4-6 shots, 2-0 goals and 3-5 HDSC.

Caleb Jones had a tremendous evening, grabbing two assists on good passes (one on the PP). He got beat by Kempe to the net but rookies make mistakes and Jones doesn’t make many. Adam Larsson seems to be adjusting to Jones, relying on him for speed and passing options but also dropping the hammer and allowing Jones safe passage. Had one good look and got caught with outside speed a couple of times, but overall played well.

PAIRING THREE William Lagesson and Matt Benning played 8 minutes, going 6-8 Corsi, 5-4 shots, no goals and 2-2 HDSC.

William Lagesson had two shots, one a hammer, and blocked a couple of shots. He passed well although not often. Matt Benning had one shot and a hit, I thought he played well in limited minutes.

GOALIE Mike Smith stopped 21 of 23, .913, including seven of eight HDSC. It took some time but he has emerged as the starter based on January 1+ usage.

THE MIKE GREEN TRADE

Ken Holland pulled the trigger on his third Oilers trade (dealing John Marino, acquiring James Neal) by acquiring Mike Green from the Detroit Red Wings. He’s a good addition to a group who could use some experience and I also wonder about the health of one of the RH blue (Larsson or Benning specifically) as being the catalyst for this deal.

The return for Detroit is Kyle Brodziak (to make the money work) and a pick. The pick has some caveats: It’s a 2020 fourth but becomes a third in 2021 if the Oilers make the Western Conference final and if Green plays half the games in the first two rounds. 

TRADE DEADLINE

I’ll be on TSN1260’s trade deadline coverage today from 10-2, it looks like we’ll see the Oilers trade for a forward either just before or during the show. Jon and Daniel (and me) have written and are writing pieces for The Athletic to cover the Green trade (and ones to come) from every angle today. Please stay tuned and keep reading! Should be a fun day.

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  1. OmJo says:

    Greetings from Cairo! It’s 12:26am here, I have barely slept in the last two days, and I just checked out the moves Holland made today and am too excited to sleep!

    I saw the AA trade first and thought “well, that means no Ennis” but was pleasantly surprised to see Holland added both. Throw in Green and this might be the best trade deadline I can remember, at least since 2006!

    Sucks seeing Gagner go. Again. But adding Green, Ennis, and Athanisiou while giving up Brodziak, Gagner, two 2nds, a conditional 4th, and a 5th round pick is quite impressive.

    Excellent job, Holland!

  2. OmJo says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Ennis feels pretty wasted with Sheahan-Archibald.

    Flip him & Kassian? Goes against money bags new contract, but I’d think would be most effective.

    The great thing is we have options.

    And by options, I don’t mean playing McDavid and Draisaitl together for 20 minutes a game, but real actual options with actual NHL-calibre wingers.

  3. rickithebear says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    QoC is only 0.297% of the formula.

    Starting with or without pocession. Coach decision that large % affects on Corsi count.
    ZS ( FO and bench change) (2×6 groups)
    NZ def ( high % entry affect) = ( high Corsi affect) (1 x 7 groups)
    Coach decisions but much lowers % affect.
    Team (4 groups), Comp (4 groups) they are lowest and equal.

    The largest affect differentiation.
    Open/ closed shot differentiation driven by 2D – 1G interaction with Fwd/ Rovers.
    Up 100% shots excluded. ( very rare)
    3-1-1-1 vs 3-2-1 is coach & mgmt decision.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      I’ve read this nearly ten times and your shorthand is almost incomprehensible.

      Can you convey your point in a different way? Hopefully more clearly and using small words for the simple folk, like myself?

  4. troubleclef says:

    Munny,

    We traded for Drew Stafford too?

  5. flyfish1168 says:

    Fuge Udvar:
    What does that make the bottom 6 look like when Neal comes back?

    Benson-Haas-Neal
    Archibald-Sheahan-Chaisson

    That looks.. Promising? Am I dreaming?

    Neal won’t play again. They don’t want to lose 3rd round pick

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Holland and Tippett aren’t going to ice an inferior player if Neal is ready to go.

      • Cassandra says:

        With the acquisition of Ennis and AA the Oilers have 12 better forwards, no?

        In no particular order

        McDavid
        Draisatl
        RNH
        Yamamoto
        Kassian
        AA
        Sheahan
        Archibald
        Benson
        Ennis
        Haas
        Chiasson

        There is 12 players who are no doubt better than Neal.

        Neal is a bit player. Why pay a 3rd round pick for someone who doesn’t make you better in any conceivable way?

        • OilClog says:

          Chiasson is not better then Neal, Chiasson is literally Neal if Neal had half the shot he does.

  6. Bank Shot says:

    OmJo:
    Greetings from Cairo! It’s 12:26am here, I have barely slept in the last two days, and I just checked out the moves Holland made today and am too excited to sleep!

    I saw the AA trade first and thought “well, that means no Ennis” but was pleasantly surprised to see Holland added both. Throw in Green and this might be the best trade deadline I can remember, at least since 2006!

    Sucks seeing Gagner go. Again. But adding Green, Ennis, and Athanisiou while giving up Brodziak, Gagner, two 2nds, a conditional 4th, and a 5th round pick is quite impressive.

    Excellent job, Holland!

    Don’t believe them if they tell you the museum is closed. 😛

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Ennis feels pretty wasted with Sheahan-Archibald.

    Flip him & Kassian? Goes against money bags new contract, but I’d think would be most effective.

    From what I understand, he’s been playing 3rd line in Ottawa and has produced 1.90P/60.

    That is some solid depth scoring which, in my opinion, is a benefit, not a waste.

  8. London Jon says:

    Great work by Kenny H and the team.

    I’d prefer it if we’d just added Green and Ennis without AA but I believe in Ken Holland and there’s far more chance of him being right then me! And I like that he knows the player well and is confident he can get more out of him.

    Interesting to hear the boys are ‘banged up’ and need a bit of support and respite. Amazing job by the team and Tippett so far and now Ken steps in to help them out

  9. jenga66 says:

    This has been the least productive day I have had for months thanks to this blog.

    So so so long since TDD was exciting for Oilers fans.

    Can’t wait to see what McD can do with some real speed in his wing.

  10. Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville says:

    Holland’s moves today made me so happy I shed a tear. Would you call that Holland-eye-sauce?

    Ok fine, I’ll show myself out now.

  11. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Damn clients and conference calls, I missed Holland’s live media avail and its not been posted yet.I hate not being “up to speed” GM and coach comments.

    O.P. lawyering;
    “So Mrs. Pescador,
    tell me more about how your husband’s unhealthy obsession with the Oilers & a certain math blog drove you into the arms of another man”

  12. rickithebear says:

    Gustafsson: 1033:44
    3.31 ENGA/60

    Forbort 214:55
    1.68 evga/60

    • John Chambers says:

      rickithebear:
      Gustafsson: 1033:44
      3.31 ENGA/60

      Forbort 214:55
      1.68 evga/60

      That’s about 58 EVGA, or roughly one per game for Gus.

      That’s … not good.

  13. Bag of Pucks says:

    Guys. Let’s tone down the enthusiasm a tad. I love that Ken is spending his lottery tickets to go for it now too…

    But in 3 years, we’re going to be talking about how this AA add cost us two of whomever ends up being the best 2nd rounders from the next two drafts.

    Because Oiler fans

  14. Gerta Rauss says:

    Holland coming up on Tim and Sid(Sportsnet) at 6ET

  15. Numenius says:

    Edmonton Oilers
    @EdmontonOilers
    ·
    5m
    🔁
    TRADE
    🔁

    The #Oilers have acquired goaltender Angus Redmond & a conditional seventh-round draft pick in 2022 from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for defenceman Joel Persson.

  16. OilClog says:

    EvolvingWild and Ricki clearly get their numbers and applications from the same dirty trunk of 92 Sundance parked in a dark alley off of 118th.

  17. LadiesloveSmid says:

    OriginalPouzar: From what I understand, he’s been playing 3rd line in Ottawa and has produced 1.90P/60.

    That is some solid depth scoring which, in my opinion, is a benefit, not a waste.

    James Mirtle says Ennis wasn’t a fit with Matthews but excelled in the bottom 6, so hopefully that rings true in Edmonton.

  18. Darth Tu says:

    Numenius:
    Edmonton Oilers
    @EdmontonOilers
    ·
    5m
    TRADE

    The #Oilers have acquired goaltender Angus Redmond & a conditional seventh-round draft pick in 2022 from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for defenceman Joel Persson.

    Is Redmond a roving goalie or not?

  19. drglen says:

    pageau was too expensive.

    KH and the oilers did extremely well here. All of these guys can head straight into the lineup and improve the team.

    Did not overpay one bit and got smart, useful pieces.

  20. jp says:

    rickithebear: So you are telling me that 25 yrs of repeating strong 3-2-1 def championship structure teams, that recently give up 2.00 GAA or less in their series wins.
    Is all luck!

    No.

    Just that picking a bunch of 3rd pairing guys who gave up less than 2.0 GA is not the way to build a team that gives up less than 2.0 GA through the playoffs and cup finals.

  21. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Not convinced it ends up being AA with McDavid, they will certainly try it as all that speed has to be Explorers but smarts and skill are key to be efficient with McD and Ennis might be the better fit. Athanasiou has never struck me as a high hockey IQ player.

    I totally agree. While I would try AA there at some point, he wouldn’t be my first option. Ennis has more speed than most of Connor’s wingers of late and also seems to be a more “complete” player. Sheahan seems to play well with 2 speedster wingers….SO, after the Kass suspension, if I were king of the world..

    Ennis-McD-Kass
    RNH-Drai-KY (it is so hard to break these guys up the way they are playing)
    AA-Shea-Archie (speed, forecheck and D coverage)
    JJ-Haas-Chia/Neal
    PRussell

    Nurse-Bear
    Klef-Lars (Jones there until Klef returns)
    Jones-Green (Lags there until Jones drops down)
    Benning (mixed in while giving his melon some more recovery time)
    Russell (LTIR)

  22. Wolfpack says:

    Not sure how to take this goalie trade. Guy has played for 10 different teams in the last 5 years, mostly ECHL. Did they trade for a goalie or a pro scout?

  23. jp says:

    Numenius:
    Edmonton Oilers
    @EdmontonOilers
    ·
    5m
    🔁TRADE
    🔁

    The #Oilers have acquired goaltender Angus Redmond & a conditional seventh-round draft pick in 2022 from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for defenceman Joel Persson.

    So they’re doing Persson a solid. Give him a chance in California.

    Best of luck Joel, we barely knew you.

  24. Andy Dufresne says:

    3 Stars of the Deadline

    1) Ken Holland

    2) Oilers Capologist

    3)Oilers Pro Scouts / Analytics Dept.

  25. Andy Dufresne says:

    Tyler Ennis didnt do well in the top six in Toronto.

    He did very well on the third line in Ottawa.

    Ennis Sheahan Archibald

    Ennis takes Gagners place as a sort of Rover who can play up and down the lineup when needed/called upon.

    But his natural home is probably 3LW. Unless RNH moves back to center, which is not likely.

  26. Jethro Tull says:

    Sail On, Vaxjo Laker…..

  27. Reja says:

    jp: So they’re doing Persson a solid. Give him a chance in California.

    Best of luck Joel, we barely knew you.

    That’s exactly what I think as well, Kenny with a classy move.

  28. Jethro Tull says:

    Sail On, Klagenfurt Athletic.

  29. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Tyler Ennis didnt do well in the top six in Toronto.

    He did very well on the third line in Ottawa.

    Ennis Sheahan Archibald

    Ennis takes Gagners place as a sort of Rover who can play up and down the lineup when needed/called upon.

    But his natural home is probably 3LW

    Oilers just got scary to play against, we are going to score like it’s 1987 in the next 20 games.

  30. Andy Dufresne says:

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see AA go supernova….relatively speaking

    !) Gets boost from leaving last place roster; which was undoubtably a huge drag on him psychologically (gaolies cantstop a beachball, special teams are shit etc)

    2) McDavid Zoomation

    3) Playing for his next contract

    4) Could see the playoffs for the first time in his life

  31. Brantford Boy says:

    Munny,

    I think he showed even more confidence in JJ myself…

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      JJ is going to have towork his ass off to keep a roster spot / get regular minutes.

      His $1.2m contract is not doing him any favors in that regard.

  32. Kraz says:

    I think Holland did excellent considering the circumstances. Limited cap space and he kept his first rounder and top prospects. Ennis is versatile and will provide some depth and scoring touch.

    Getting AA could be a genius move. A big body that is blazing fast. All he has to do is be a faster version of Maroon and he will do fine with McDavid. Go to the net with your stick down. Maybe he doesn’t have the highest IQ but he will back off defenders even more with his speed opening up even more ice for McDavid through the neutral zone. That is scary. If this trade hits it could set up the oilers for years as you should be able to sign him to a decent contract after this season.

    BUCKLE UP!!

  33. Andy Dufresne says:

    How are Ennis or AA’s shootout skills??

  34. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    rickithebear:
    Woodguy:

    Would you want a dman who does not give up EVGA to his def side.
    Even if it is on a 3rd comp pair.

    If you look at SC champs.
    Almost all series wins are 2.00 GAA or less in the 4 wins.

    Does not let you have many above median evga/60 Dmen or Dpairs.

    But you stick with your lottery Analysis.
    29 losing orgs!

    You win Ricki

    I’ll never compete with your team of Fistrics and Mannings.

  35. Bag of Pucks says:

    The Oilers treat Sam Gagner like Rod Stewart treats his wives.

  36. Cassandra says:

    rickithebear:
    Gustafsson: 1033:44
    3.31 ENGA/60

    Forbort 214:55
    1.68 evga/60

    Question: Is this the dumbest thing ever written?

    Answer: Be nice, he’s only nine.

  37. oilersfan says:

    This goalie for Persson, he is in the ECHL

    Are we sure he has an NHL contract? This may have lowered us to 49

  38. Madtown Oil says:

    AA can play center. Wondering if this might be worth considering, to find more offense from third line.

    RNH-Dra-YM
    Ennis-CMD-Neal (Neal can play both sides)
    Nyg-AA-Kass

    Lots of speed on the third line, which should create some chances. AA likes to carry the puck and any defensive issues can be easier to shelter. Also, this leaves Shea and Archie as strong fourth line, tough match up line.

  39. Andy Dufresne says:

    THis new roster depth has the added bonus of not having to rush injured players back.

    In theory, Klefbom can take extra time. Neal could stay out until the playoffs. Benning could take some Rand R time to give his head a rest. Kassian could kick someone else. Etc

    Things get rougher at this time of year.

  40. Optimism is like heroin says:

    Well Holland certainly trimmed down his to do list this summer.

    recoup some draft picks using benning, khaira and chiasson
    resign bear, aa, sheahan and archibald.
    move one of neal or russel contracts for salary dump.
    Find a 3rd line center
    Find a younger goalie

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    geowal:
    No mention of Lagesson anywhere I’ve seen.

    Tough to keep up on all the comments today so don’t know if its been mentioned but, yes, Lagesson is down, just for clear day on a paper transaction. Benson is down to play.

    Of note, that still leaves the team with only 12 healthy forwards.

  42. duct tape and foil says:

    flyfish1168: Neal won’t play again. They don’t want to lose 3rd round pick

    He can score one more goal and we keep the pick. Hopefully itʻs the GWG on April 4th against the flames and it punts them out of the playoffs.

    • giddy says:

      RE: Persson trade.

      How often do we think GMs make moves like this as an unofficial token of goodwill for later? Otherwise, did he have to go to a division rival? At least if we sent him out east, he’d only come back to haunt us 2-3 times a year.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Not convinced it ends up being AA with McDavid, they will certainly try it as all that speed has to be Explorers but smarts and skill are key to be efficient with McD and Ennis might be the better fit. Athanasiou has never struck me as a high hockey IQ player.

    I agree with the premise and have noted for a long time that blazing speed isn’t a pre-requisite to have success with McDavid but offensive IQ is. Getting there fast isn’t necessarily the right play, its getting there at the “right time” – Maroon, for example, was great at getting to the net at the “right time”.

    At the same time, Ennis seems quite versatile. He’s produced in both Ottawa and Toronto in a 3rd line roel and, recall, he has on a defensive zone start hard checking line under Babcock last year.

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine,

    Thanks.

  45. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ashley:
    Ok Woodguy, I didn’t mean to get the blood pressure up ;).Admittedly, I am recalling by eye and repeating what I have read elsewhere, but those numbers don’t support, though should be qualified as a small sample – implying the actual result over long term could be worse, or better.

    Why did TMac not like to play them together?I think that’s probably the greatest source of the false narrative.

    I should know better than to invoke a negative Hall reference around here, especially an unsupported one.Blood in the water!

    Ha!

    I guess that was a bit strong.

    I deal with that narrative on Twitter over and over and over and that frustrations spilled over from there to here.

    I apologize for the tone, but not the information.

    Out of all the false narratives that pick my ass that one goes the deepest.

    Also,

    TMac (correclty) tried to McDavid away from 1st pairing Dmen as a raw rookie and left the majority of that matchup to Hall.

    Also trying to create 2 top 6 lines that could outscore, which is what all the good teams have and EDM hasn’t had on a regular basis in forever.

    • Leroy Draisdale says:

      Well, you might not want to listen to the Cult of Hockey podcast today then…… Staples does not share your thought on Hall with Mcdavid

      • v4ance says:

        I stopped listening to Staples or reading the Cult of Hockey a few years ago. They seem to have locked into their scoring chance metric as the be all end all player evaluation tool. There is inherent bias that every visual observer brings to the table when watching hockey and they don’t see or acknowledge that blind spot.

        In fact Staples goes out of his way on Twitter to criticize other metrics and analysts thinking he’s totally right and others are wrong. I’ve always tried to keep an open mind and tried to listen to his viewpoint and others but he’s become too vitriolic.

        His mindset is like Mad Max Hughes who tried to prove his flat earth theories by flying his steam powered rocket into orbit and instead crashed and died the other day.

        Ricki the Bear is the other analog who fits the Staples type of hockey analyst. Kinda got their pet theories and rave about them without seeing that they may be wrong or coming to incorrect conclusions.

      • pts2pndr says:

        That doesn’t make Staples right!🤔

        • Leroy Draisdale says:

          Agree 100%. I listen to that more for Bruce. Don’t agree with a lot of what Staples says. Just thought it was funny.

  46. Munny says:

    Brantford Boy:
    Munny,

    I think he showed even more confidence in JJ myself…

    I’m not sure. When everyone’s healthy, we have enough wingers to sit Khaira.

  47. Numenius says:

    Athanasiou sounds like a good bet to make. Buy relatively low on a player having a bad year and team, and see if he can recover.

    I’d be a bit concerned about having him with McDavid and Kassian, though. The verbal is he’s a bit like Kassian in that he’s weak defensively and likes to fly the zone.

    Having two weak defensive wingers with McDavid doesn’t sound like a good plan.

    Maybe if they played Archibald at RW instead of Kassian (or Neal) that would solve the problem. Archie is solid defensively and would allow AA to cheat.

    So:

    AA-McDavid-Arch
    Nuge-Drai-Yam
    Ennis-Sheahan-Kass
    JJ-Haas-Chiass/Neal

    Nurse-Bear
    Jones-Larss
    Lags-Green
    Benning

    • Primetime says:

      I like that lineup a lot.

      The problem being both Arch and AA need a contract this summer, and this would be their agents’ dream!

      Try it at the start of next year!

  48. duct tape and foil says:

    oilersfan: goaltender Angus Redmond

    Sure looks like a minor league contract to me and doesn’t count on the NHL contract list? Persson was also on a one way deal if I remember and losing that that may help offset some bonuses this year. Oilers appear to be doing some sharp business for the first time in forever.

    Edit: Not sure now, Redmond might be in the last year of his ELC, but at least not on a one way like Persson.

  49. Andy Dufresne says:

    Teams around the league are in after-hours staff meetings, game planning how to defend against AA McDavid Kassian.

    Step 1) We leave one defensemen back at our own blue line at all times.

    Step 2) The other defensman never crosses center ice.

    Ok lets order in pizza and get the next steps figured out.

    OK Men. I want to here your best ideas. Wow me with something

    Johnson! What have you got?!

    Johnson: Play 3 D and only 2 forwards.

    Wow….
    Just… wow…

    Peterson?!….Hit me with something!
    .
    Peterson: Turn the ice making machine down one degree?

    Ya see Johnson!….THATS why Peterson has the corner office and you’re in the cubicle with no windows next to the broom closet.

  50. duct tape and foil says:

    Benson and the team both stay in California so heʻs available tomorrow and Wednesday if needed. Sending the kids to Bako and the Persson deal likely all about avoiding bonus issues.

    OriginalPouzar: Tough to keep up on all the comments today so don’t know if its been mentioned but, yes, Lagesson is down, just for clear day on a paper transaction.Benson is down to play.

    Of note, that still leaves the team with only 12 healthy forwards.

    • Primetime says:

      I think they are sending Benson back for the rest of the year to play.

      After the additions, who does he play ahead of? He could take Jujhar’s few minutes of EV time a game, but can’t PK like he does.
      It gets worse when Neal and Kassian come back. There is simply no room for him. He’s better than PRussell, but he isn’t going to get any minutes either, and is cheaper.

      Benson showed well in limited minutes but didn’t “Yammer” the coach. He got a taste, come back next year and don’t let them send you back.

  51. Numenius says:

    duct tape and foil: Sure looks like a minor league contract to me and doesn’t count on the NHL contract list? Persson was also on a one way deal if I remember and losing that that may help offset some bonuses this year. Oilers appear to be doing some sharp business for the first time in forever.

    He’s on an ELC according to Capfriendly, so that’s gotta be an NHL contract.

    Last year of the contract, so it’s over soon.

    • Gerta Rauss says:

      Capfriendly has been updated with the personnel moves, and the Oilers are at 50 contracts according to Capfriendly. I think that’s accurate

      It’s not the end of the world – it may limit us in signing college free agents but it’s not fatal

  52. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    N64: Thoughts?

    https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/1232005703348477953

    I just saw that too.

    I have a lot of respect for Micah but think that his model doesn’t account for QoC enough so it boosts lower tier players too much given than Dmen have better defensive results with them.

    Interesting for sure and makes me a bit more hopeful and I like the add already.

  53. John Chambers says:

    Hope the Persson trade opens a spot for Berglund to play for Bakersfield next year.

  54. Bulging Twine says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Kassian could kick someone else.

    hahaha

  55. Bling says:

    I don’t know too much about AA — and I am willing to give Holland and co the benefit of the doubt — but my initial take is that two second rounders is a very stiff price to pay for a flawed player.

    AA’s EVP/60 of 1.3 is 0.05 better than Sam Gagner’s 1.25 mark. He was great last season (2.08) and good the year before (1.77), but the guy is a train wreck defensively.

    This is a very expensive roll of the dice.

    McDavid with a Hoffman type could easily be a 60%+ GF line. McDavid with AA, I have no idea.

  56. Bulging Twine says:

    Can’t sign any College Free Agents or Euro/Scandinavians unless they somehow get rid of some contracts.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    I checked, he’s got an NHL contract so counts on the 50.

  58. Munny says:

    Numenius: He’s on an ELC according to Capfriendly, so that’s gotta be an NHL contract.

    Last year of the contract, so it’s over soon.

    Yup, dead on. Two way paying $842k in The Show and 70k everywhere else. CF has us at 50 too.

  59. duct tape and foil says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I checked, he’s got an NHL contract so counts on the 50.

    Well then it just saves a bit of cash for owner since Persson was on a one-way correct?

    • Munny says:

      Looks more like a favour to Persson to find him some NHL playing time.

      • Gerta Rauss says:

        I agree- and it appears the Oilers had made their decision on Persson and his future with the Oilers. Move him along and roll the dice with the goalie and a possible 7th rounder

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    Hope the Persson trade opens a spot for Berglund to play for Bakersfield next year.

    Yup, i was thinking the same thing – perhaps Kemp as well (if he wants to turn pro a year early).

  61. Darth Tu says:

    With the Goalie move I’m guessing we’re potentially letting Wells go then? Rodrigue is coming next year so I imagine it’s him and Redmond in the ECHL and then Starret/Skinner in the AHL.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine:
    or am I wrong on that?

    You are correct.

    They could move out some contracts for picks prior to the college UFA signing season.

    Shit, they could still make trades tomorrow – trades are not restricted after the deadline (the acquired players are not eligible for the playoffs on their new teams though).

  63. Munny says:

    Bulging Twine:
    or am I wrong on that?

    Kind of.

    Any free agents we sign now would likely be to contracts starting Jul 1. We are not yet at the 50 contract limit for next season. We couldn’t sign anyone eligible to be added this year to a present season contract though.

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu:
    With the Goalie move I’m guessing we’re potentially letting Wells go then? Rodrigue is coming next year so I imagine it’s him and Redmond in the ECHL and then Starret/Skinner in the AHL.

    Wells (and Skinner and Konovalov) all have one more year on their contracts.

  65. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    rickithebear:
    Woodguy:

    Hey guys let’s send down our only 2 Dmen to help guarantee a 2.00 GAA in playoffs!

    Everytime woodguy posts I here that deep thoughts Music from SNL.

    Lottery Analytics!

    I know you want Manning with the Oilers Ricki.

    It’s not gonna happen and you need to figure out how to deal with it.

    Maybe write down all your wishes for the Oilers on a sheet of paper and then mail it to yourself.

    When you get it back, bury it under your porch and every time you’re frustrated that the team doesn’t have enough closed hole Dmen you can go under your porch, look at the pile of disturbed dirt and think:

    “Fools, if they only understood hockey”

    • OilClog says:

      Don’t believe him Ricki, he’s just trying to sell you some wood for a new porch when you burn it down.

  66. Rickety Cricket says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I checked, he’s got an NHL contract so counts on the 50.

    Can we get speeds to confirm this?

  67. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I don’t know how Green skates but the Oilers are one skating club now. Like it.

  68. N64 says:

    duct tape and foil:
    Sending the kids to Bako and the Persson deal likely all about avoiding bonus issues.

    Lagesson max bonus: $0,000,000
    Benson max bonus: $0,032,500
    ELC bonus structures are from a limited menu. Doubt Benson would hit any bonuses if he played here rest of season.

  69. Numenius says:

    Bling: McDavid with a Hoffman type could easily be a 60%+ GF line. McDavid with AA, I have no idea.

    Hoffman would have been ideal.

    Though he likely would have cost more now, and would have been difficult to fit under the cap (which may have been the sticking point). He’s also UFA at the end of the year and probably would be looking for an unmanageable salary next year that the Oilers couldn’t provide.

    So AA may be the better bet. He has a lower cap hit now and is cost controlled for next year, while the Oilers still have cap trouble. He also has upside that Tippet may be able to unlock.

    If AA doesn’t work out this year, it’s no big deal. You trade him in summer to recoup some cost and find a better solution. Perhaps you sign Hoffman instead.

  70. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wells (and Skinner and Konovalov) all have one more year on their contracts.

    Hmm. The plot thickens. I feel like we have too many goalies. Are we looking at Smith out and someone up from the AHL as backup for next year? Personally I’d like to see Skinner/Starrett get another full year in the AHL before one is bumped to the NHL.

    Redmond looks like an ECHL guy going by his career to date, so I thought it made sense for him to be paired with Rodrigue next season to help with the whole adjustment to the AHL.

    Konovalov is likely to stay in Russia though isn’t he?

  71. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Ennis feels pretty wasted with Sheahan-Archibald.

    Flip him & Kassian? Goes against money bags new contract, but I’d think would be most effective.

    I think that’s the perfect spot for him.

    He’ll help them be a >50% GF 3rd line and that’s a big deal if your top 2 lines are cooking.

  72. dessert1111 says:

    It’s possible that the Persson trade was also about signalling to future Euro free agents that the Oilers will look out for them if it doesn’t work out. Much like how it influences NCAA free agents which clubs have given those folks chances in the past, this may be related to building up the perception of the brand.

    It’s too bad though because I liked Persson and thought he had some upside. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him play a meaningful role in the show next year.

    • Material Elvis says:

      I see it differently. He really struggled with the speed of the game. His passing and shot did not translate to the NHL level. Those were his strengths. And he’s no spring chicken so I’m guessing he’ll be going back to Sweden next year.

  73. N64 says:

    @TSNHockey
    @markhmasters
    Tight cap situation, Dubas’ belief in his team are the reasons for Leafs standing pat

    Whereas Tight cap situation, Holland’s belief in his team are the reasons for the Oil making moves

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      “Dubas’ belief in his team are the reasons for Leafs standing pat”

      HAA HA! Ya right!?!

      Thats a gooder.

  74. duct tape and foil says:

    N64: Lagesson max bonus: $0,000,000
    Benson max bonus: $0,032,500
    ELC bonus structures are from a limited menu. Doubt Benson would hit any bonuses if he played here rest of season.

    Not Benson or Lagesson bonus – but sending these guys down while in Cali leaves less guys on the roster and reduces cap and impact of other bonuses (eg Smith).

    • stephen sheps says:

      I thought it also had something to do with clear day in order to be AHL playoff eligible, if by some miracle they make it. Since NHL rosters expand post deadline, it’s probably a paper transaction and they’ll be recalled tomorrow

  75. Material Elvis says:

    rickithebear:
    OP:
    2.00 GAA per win in series wins.

    League median 2.54 evga/60
    Sure have to be a lot better than that!

    Jones – Benning 86:09, 0.00 evga/60
    Russell – Benning 172:25, 0.70
    Manning – Benning 72:52, 0.82
    Klefbom – Russell 159:43, 1.50
    Russell – Larsson 94:43, 1.90
    Nurse – Larsson 63:13, 1.90
    —————————————- not good enough below
    Jones – Russell 172:04, 2.09
    Klefbom – Bear 112:25, 2.13
    Klefbom – Larsson 471:03, 2.55
    Nurse – Bear 1018:13, 3.24

    Sitting Benning?
    Lottery analytics!
    29 losers!

    You don’t account for quality of competition or goaltending. Your analysis is terrible.

    • Cassandra says:

      Or offense, don’t forget that. Remember, in Ricki’s world goals for don’t count.

      It is Table hockey. Centers score the goals. Defense only defend. Left defense only stop shots/passes that come from the right. Right defense only stop shots/passes that come from the left.

      It really is that simple.

  76. duct tape and foil says:

    N64:
    @TSNHockey
    @markhmastersTight cap situation, Dubas’ belief in his team are the reasons for Leafs standing pat

    “Tight cap situation, Dubas’ ….lack of…. belief in his team are the reasons for Leafs standing pat”

    Fixed that for them….

  77. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Old Dutch’s moves today look so good because his summer moves were so bad.

    Discuss.

    • stephen sheps says:

      Sheahan and Archie look pretty good now that they’ve settled in, Haas and Nygard are useful bottom 6 players.

      Neal > Lucic

      I really don’t think his summer moves were especially bad, other than the Chiasson contract. Sometimes nibbling at the margins is better than making a big splash. He didn’t have much space to work with and based on how the team is performing, I’d say his summer moves were solid. Not flashy by any means, but solid. And there is nothing wrong with that, IMO.

    • jtblack says:

      As the season has progresses Ken’s Summer Moves get a better Grade.

      Without Smith where would the team be? He’s De-Facto #1.

      Archibald is great (Ricki wanted him badly, as did I).

      Sheanan decent. Nygard decent. Neal got us a few wins early on.

      With 4 months gone by; I think Ken did just fine in the summer.

      I think he did EXCELLENT at the Deadline

    • N64 says:

      Made a lot of small bets on 25 yr + guys to add speed to bottom of lineup . Most of those signings involved adaptation time. By January it was clear he won a lot of those bets. Created a team that could keep pace and buy in and kept his powder dry for rental time. In the mean time bear and yam novaed and drai supernovas. Said he was going to emphasize stability first and hold off on big moves until he knew what he had.

      Ymmv

  78. geowal says:

    Poll question:
    AA has ten goals, now tieing him for 7th on team with Archibald.
    Q: what rank will he end the regular season?
    Tiebreaker: with how many goals?

    Winner gets Woodguy donation to LT in their honour. Entries until LTs post tomorrow (not checking tomorrow’s blog)

    • stephen sheps says:

      As we currently sit:

      1) Leon
      2) Connor
      3) Neal
      4) Nuge
      5) Kassian/Ennis (tie at 14 each)
      6) Archie/AA (tie at 10 each)
      7) KY

      End of regular season:

      1) Leon
      2) Connor
      3) Nuge
      4) Neal (not sure they can catch him and he may get 1 or 2 more)
      5) KY
      6) AA (18 goals) – 8 in 19 is tough to do but with McDavid anything is possible, especially if he gets PP1 time.
      7) Kassian
      8) Ennis
      9) Archie

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: Kind of.

    Any free agents we sign now would likely be to contracts starting Jul 1.We are not yet at the 50 contract limit for next season.We couldn’t sign anyone eligible to be added this year to a present season contract though.

    I think its different in the college UFA spring signing session – I think the contract limit is prohibitive.

  80. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I know you want Manning with the Oilers Ricki.

    It’s not gonna happen and you need to figure out how to deal with it.

    Maybe write down all your wishes for the Oilers on a sheet of paper and then mail it to yourself.

    When you get it back, bury it under your porch and every time you’re frustrated that the team doesn’t have enough closed hole Dmen you can go under your porch, look at the pile of disturbed dirt and think:

    “Fools, if they only understood hockey”

    * LOL * …

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    Green says he was pulled right before warmup last night and presented with the trade option to Edmonton. Yzerman gave him the night to consider it. He went home, talked to his wife and called Yzerman back right away agreeing to waive.

  82. Kraz says:

    its seems the same people preaching buy low sell high are the same ones questioning Holland for trading for AA when he is having an off year

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sounds like Benning may sit for Green tomorrow night.

    I de believe that Benning deserves to stay in the lineup.

    At the same time, he played under 10 minutes again last night – the least out of all the d-men. He did have a bit more 5 on 5 time that Laggeson but Willie is killing penalties.

    I don’t think Tippett/Playfair fully “trust” the Lagesson/Benning pairing – Benning was getting more minutes when paired with Russell.

    If they want to get Green in, I do think it makes sense for Benning to come out – leftie/rightie is a thing and its real – the coaches believe this too.

    I am excited to see how Green does tomorrow night.

    He was playing over 20 minutes for the Wings – he actually may have a bit uptick in his play if his minutes are reduced to 3rd pair and maybe some PP – which they will be.

    • N64 says:

      OriginalPouzar: . He went home, talked to his wife and called Yzerman back right away agreeing to waive.

      That’s the correct order #herestoyoumrsnylander.

    • drglen says:

      green is still a great player… and a true competitor. Makes smart, smart plays, and he’s got a shot.

      Benning rarely makes a bad play. We are still lucky to have him, but ya he’ll probably sit which is good for his head. I hope there is some sub in sub out in the bottom 2.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Benning plays such a tough physical style game. What with all his concussions; splitting games with another dman might be just what the doctor ordered right now. Keep him fresh for the playoffs

  84. Durag says:

    Kraz:
    its seems the same people preaching buy low sell high are the same ones questioning Holland for trading for AA when he is having an off year

    Well said. Think what the acquisition cost would have been in the summer. This is a pretty small gamble that could pay off huge.

  85. Bulging Twine says:

    Holland on Gregor show re Persson

    He listed all the players that would be ahead of him on the depth chart next year and said that He wasn’t going to make the club in 20-21 so if he plays 25 games (i think) we get a pick

  86. OilClog says:

    Ennis is Archibald with a more skilled shot, none of it matters though if our 1st D pair isn’t;

    Borgane Rockerling/Matt Benning.

  87. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    I think its different in the college UFA spring signing session – I think the contract limit is prohibitive.

    It’s not. It’s a 50 contract max limit in any given year running from Jul1 to next Jul1. Being at 50 in the present season has no effect on signings for the next season unless it too is at 50.

    • Gerta Rauss says:

      While the above is true, some of the higher ranked college players (Dan Dekeyser as an example) will sign with clubs immediately after their college season is over (again Dekeyser Mar 29, 2013) and he played his first NHL game a week later (the above per Wiki)

      Getting into NHL games asap is a big incentive to sign with a club, and having an available contract spot helps in that regard

      As I said earlier today, it’s not fatal, but it’s something to consider

      *edit- I guess both Cagiulla and Jultz would qualify as well- both signed in June after play was over, but prior to July 1, so the Oilers would have needed spot(s) on the 50 man for both

  88. Kraz says:

    Last year AA ranked #13 in G/60 with minimum 1000 min TOI. He was tied with Draisaitl with a rate of 1.22

  89. Kraz says:

    Durag,

    Yup. Last summer you would be looking at probably a first rounder and a high end prospect like Bouchard

  90. jtblack says:

    Durag: Well said. Think what the acquisition cost would have been in the summer. This is a pretty small gamble that could pay off huge.

    Ken kept the 1st Rounder.

    He knows he can get assets for JP (a 2nd as an example).

    I think he did well. Made the team better.

    Edmonton is as close to the Balance Photo as they have been at anytime since 2006.

    They have 2 Lines that can win their minutes.
    They have some skill and speed on the bottom 2 lines.
    They have Good PK & PP.

    They have solid LHD with prospects coming.
    They have solid RHD with prospects coming

    They have 2 Capable Goalies.

    Now each year it is just about making minor tweaks that make the Team slightly better, until they Win Lord Stanley

    • Darth Tu says:

      This almost seems too good to be true after the last few years. What is this strange feeling? Is it hope?

    • OilClog says:

      I wonder how much Stan stache will be in the infamous photo, will we maybe see it before the fall?

  91. duct tape and foil says:

    Iʻd be using Benning very carefully for the rest of the year and (hopefully) playoffs. One more big hit on the melon may be the end of his career after taking two this season already. The guyʻs a warrior and heʻll go if medically cleared, but you want to be careful with him for his own sake, and of course secondarily for his trade value this summer.

    The verbal on Russellʻs status from Tip (“murky”) and Holland (donʻt know”) is pretty odd and leads you to believe heʻs dealing with some serious issues. Donʻt need Benning in the same boat.

    OriginalPouzar:
    Sounds like Benning may sit for Green tomorrow night.

    I de believe that Benning deserves to stay in the lineup.

    At the same time, he played under 10 minutes again last night – the least out of all the d-men.He did have a bit more 5 on 5 time that Laggeson but Willie is killing penalties.

    I don’t think Tippett/Playfair fully “trust” the Lagesson/Benning pairing – Benning was getting more minutes when paired with Russell.

    If they want to get Green in, I do think it makes sense for Benning to come out – leftie/rightie is a thing and its real – the coaches believe this too.

    I am excited to see how Green does tomorrow night.

    He was playing over 20 minutes for the Wings – he actually may have a bit uptick in his play if his minutes are reduced to 3rd pair and maybe some PP – which they will be.

  92. flyfish1168 says:

    Optimism is like heroin:
    Well Holland certainly trimmed down his to do list this summer.

    recoup some draft picks using benning, khaira and chiasson
    resign bear, aa, sheahan and archibald.
    move one of neal or russel contracts for salary dump.
    Find a 3rd line center
    Find a younger goalie

    A GM with an eye on the future as well as now.

  93. Kraz says:

    In 2016-17 AA was #12 in the NHL at 5v5 G/60 with min 500 TOI. He had a rate of 1.27. Man if Dave Tippett finds a way to unlock this kids full potential watch out

  94. Munny says:

    duct tape and foil: The verbal on Russellʻs status from Tip (“murky”) and Holland (donʻt know”) is pretty odd

    Not when it comes to concussions… No one knows when a concussed player will be back till they make it through protocol.

  95. Munny says:

    jtblack,

    Might have to substitute the Balance Photo for the Overloaded Photo lol.

  96. Little Johnny Frostbite says:

    Bank Shot,

    I was offered 50 camels for my then wife in Cairo. In retrospect, it was a reasonable offer.

    (Kidding, she’s perfectly fine!)

  97. who says:

    Numenius:
    Edmonton Oilers
    @EdmontonOilers
    ·
    5m
    TRADE

    The #Oilers have acquired goaltender Angus Redmond & a conditional seventh-round draft pick in 2022 from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for defenceman Joel Persson.

    Well I guess they decided Larrson was better than Perrson.
    Shocking! Didn’t see that coming at all! Rolls eyes.

  98. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    geowal:
    Poll question:
    AA has ten goals, now tieing him for 6th on team with Archibald.
    Q: what rank will he end the regular season?
    Tiebreaker: with how many goals?

    Winner gets Woodguy donation to LT in their honour. Entries until LTs post tomorrow (not checking tomorrow’s blog)

    AA gets 6 goals with EDM for a total of 16.

    Tied with Kassian for 5th.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Man I love listening to Holland speak and I’m not catching up on the rounds he did today – main media avail, spot on Oilers Now, spot on Gregor, spot on Tim and Sid. I’m sure it will be alot of the same content though.

  100. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: Since January 2nd, when the DYNamite line was formed:

    DYNamite: 4.99 GF/60 – 1.81 GA/60 = +3.18 GD/60
    Perfection: 3.46 GF/60 – 1.33 GA/60 = +2.13 GD/60

    Full season Perfection: 4.10 GF/60 – 2.21 GA/60 = +1.89 GD/60

    The DYNamite line has scored 22 GF vs 8 GA for a GF% of 73.33%. If Tippett can cobble together a McDavid line that can get 55-60 GF%, this team is cooking with gas.

    Whoa

  101. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    How is Barclay Goodrow worth a 1st Round Pick??

    Wilson could smell how bad Julien BriseBois needs to win two rounds.

    I heard that Holland was in on Goodrow until the bidding got dumb.

  102. Munny says:

    geowal:
    Poll question:
    AA has ten goals, now tieing him for 6th on team with Archibald.
    Q: what rank will he end the regular season?
    Tiebreaker: with how many goals?

    Winner gets Woodguy donation to LT in their honour. Entries until LTs post tomorrow (not checking tomorrow’s blog)

    I believe he is presently tied for 7th with Archie (don’t forget Ennis)

    5th at season’s end.

    8 goals with the Oil.

    • geowal says:

      Right you are, didn’t think to check him. Good, more horses in the race! Edited original post.

  103. v4ance says:

    Woodguy… we’ve all been speculating about the lines but we haven’t heard you post the most important line.

    What’s the betting line on the Oilers winning the cup? TSN had it listed as 20 to 1 this morning

  104. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Could you substitute the name Nurse for Muzzin and have the statement apply?

    I wouldn’t have Nurse *quite* at Muzzin’s level, but its close.

    Muzzin’s contract is all UFA years. (obv, but wanted to mention for others)

  105. Bulging Twine says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Man I love listening to Holland speak and I’m not catching up on the rounds he did today – main media avail, spot on Oilers Now, spot on Gregor, spot on Tim and Sid. I’m sure it will be alot of the same content though.

    I’m listening to Lou Lamorielo right now. What a contrast to Holland! Lou offers nothing but the minimum, Holland is very generous and genuinely tries to answer the reporters questions.

  106. Kris11 says:

    AA shooting 8.7% this year is a good sign he will score more than his current pace. Regression.

  107. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    v4ance:
    Woodguy… we’ve all been speculating about the lines but we haven’t heard you post the most important line.

    What’s the betting line on the Oilers winning the cup? TSN had it listed as 20 to 1 this morning

    At 6:50pm MST on Feb 24,2020 its 16-1 on Bet365.

    Bodog is OTB.

    I bet $25 on 43-1 at the beginning of the season.

    No shit.

    • tileguy says:

      10.8k, whisttttlllleessss
      Pizza and beer for all lowetidians
      Guess I better edit my comment as well,
      1.1k, you would of been better off buying lotto max to tomorrow’s 70M jackpot.

  108. Pescador says:

    Optimism is like heroin:
    Well Holland certainly trimmed down his to do list this summer.

    recoup some draft picks using *Not* benning (But definitely Puljujarvi), khaira and chiasson
    resign bear, aa, sheahan and archibald.
    move one of neal or russel contracts for salary dump.
    Find a 3rd line center
    Find a younger goalie

    Fixed

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    N64: Lagesson max bonus: $0,000,000
    Benson max bonus: $0,032,500
    ELC bonus structures are from a limited menu. Doubt Benson would hit any bonuses if he played here rest of season.

    No but he would be adding the cap and putting us closer to the aggregate yearly limit – could help lead to a penalty next year vis-a-vis Smith’s bonuses.

  110. Reja says:

    geowal:
    Poll question:
    AA has ten goals, now tieing him for 6th on team with Archibald.
    Q: what rank will he end the regular season?
    Tiebreaker: with how many goals?

    Winner gets Woodguy donation to LT in their honour. Entries until LTs post tomorrow (not checking tomorrow’s blog)

    10+10=20 goals for the hungry young lad.

  111. Pescador says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Old Dutch’s moves today look so good because his summer moves were so bad.

    Discuss.

    Dirty Blue Helmet attempts to troll otherwise friendly blog mates.

    Discuss

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sounds like there is a good chance Green plays in place of Benning tomorrow.

    Green was averaging almost 18 minutes 5 on 5 and close to 2:30 5 on 4 per game.

    Of course, he won’t come close to 18 minutes at 5 on 5 as an Oiler and likely not close to that PP time either (although maybe he is PP1 over Bear – hope not to start).

    Am I just being a biased homer when I think he should show a material increase in his game when his minutes are reduced by apx 5 min at evens and he plays 3rd pairing comp?

    He may be VERY good, no?

  113. jtblack says:

    This was the Best deadline in the last 5+ years. Many Teams adding middle to Top pieces.

    in 2016 / 17 PC barely added. And Edmonton almost rolled to Round 3.

    I am glad Ken added. Will be tough to get through 1 Round; but you never know!!!

  114. Gerta Rauss says:

    geowal:
    Poll question:
    AA has ten goals, now tieing him for 7th on team with Archibald.
    Q: what rank will he end the regular season?
    Tiebreaker: with how many goals?

    Winner gets Woodguy donation to LT in their honour. Entries until LTs post tomorrow (not checking tomorrow’s blog)

    I think he finishes solo 6th

    he scores 6 more goals totaling 16

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu: Hmm. The plot thickens. I feel like we have too many goalies.Are we looking at Smith out and someone up from the AHL as backup for next year? Personally I’d like to see Skinner/Starrett get another full year in the AHL before one is bumped to the NHL.

    Redmond looks like an ECHL guy going by his career to date, so I thought it made sense for him to be paired with Rodrigue next season to help with the whole adjustment to the AHL.

    Konovalov is likely to stay in Russia though isn’t he?

    Starrett is an RFA after this season – I would think he’d be re-signed but they may move on from him.

    Yes, Konovalov will 100% be in the KHL next year – he’s signed for it and therefore not eligible to play in North America.

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think that’s the perfect spot for him.

    He’ll help them be a >50% GF 3rd line and that’s a big deal if your top 2 lines are cooking.

    I believe he played a tough minutes line with Gautier and Leivo in TO last year and they had massive defensive zone faceoffs, etc.

    While I think he can be used up the lineup, replacing Benson on that line tomorrow night makes alot of sense.

    I think they may go:

    AA/McDavid/Chiasson
    Nuge/Leon/Yamamoto
    Ennis/Sheahan/Archie
    Khaira/Haas/Russell

    Ennis could be moved up but I think this makes some sense (not that I like Chiasson there but we are still banged up).

  117. tileguy says:

    geowal:
    Poll question:
    AA has ten goals, now tieing him for 7th on team with Archibald.
    Q: what rank will he end the regular season?
    Tiebreaker: with how many goals?

    Winner gets Woodguy donation to LT in their honour. Entries until LTs post tomorrow (not checking tomorrow’s blog)

    Finish 4th with 21 goals.

  118. knighttown says:

    I went back to a post of mine in November targeting Athanasiou in exchange for JP. I’ve gotta admit, he was my number one target so I’m ecstatic. I think he was flat out broken in the motor city. I think he’ll be a part of the core here.

  119. OmJo says:

    Kris11:
    AA shooting 8.7% this year is a good sign he will score more than his current pace. Regression.

    Playing with McDavid certainly won’t hurt the numbers., either. Progression.

  120. jp says:

    rickithebear: Gustafsson: 1033:44
    3.31 ENGA/60
    Forbort 214:55
    1.68 evga/60

    John Chambers: That’s about 58 EVGA, or roughly one per game for Gus.
    That’s … not good.

    Aaah, but fill in the blanks…

    Gustafsson:
    3.19 EVGF/60
    3.31 EVGA/60
    49.1 GF%

    Forbot:
    0.56 EVGF/60
    1.68 EVGA/60
    25.0 GF%

  121. Munny says:

    So apparently AA draws a boatload of penalties…

    Coming to Edmonton is going to be like a bucket of cold water right to the face.

  122. OmJo says:

    jtblack:
    This was the Best deadline in the last 5+ years. Many Teams adding middle to Top pieces.

    in 2016 / 17 PC barely added.And Edmonton almost rolled to Round 3.

    I am glad Ken added. Will be tough to get through 1 Round; but you never know!!!

    Barely added? He add the one and only, David Deshar-f’n-eh! That in itself is worth like… 5 trades. He scored the biggest playoff goal in Oilers history! Barely added. Pfft.

  123. Munny says:

    Matt Benning is still an Oiler at the end of Deadline Day.

    Not many were thinking that last night, including myself.

  124. Munny says:

    According to a Gregor twit, Holland was looking for another Dman, but it didn’t pan out.

  125. Ryan says:

    knighttown:
    I went back to a post of mine in November targeting Athanasiou in exchange for JP. I’ve gotta admit, he was my number one target so I’m ecstatic. I think he was flat out broken in the motor city. I think he’ll be a part of the core here.

    I watched AA’s goals from his 30 goal season. Loads of high skill goals and plays. You can certainly see the attraction to this player.

    He scored a bunch with a great 1 timer.

    He has that McDavid gear where he is beside a player one second then on a breakaway in another split second. Or he skates so fast he sort of just skates through a bunch of guys then scores.

    He can beat goalies clean with a shot or high skill deke on the breakaways.

    He also scored a lot on 2v1 where he faked a pass then just sniped the goalie.

    He certainly seems capable as a puck transporter / zone entry guy for the PP.

    Obviously, a brilliant add for OT.

    I’ll just leave this here for you.

    https://youtu.be/BGJHF8DRvAc

  126. flea says:

    Feel bad for Gagner. I would have liked to see get playoff games as an Oiler. His contract was the casualty of all this.

    Fond memories of him starting the best line brawl I’ve seen in recent memory.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    stephen sheps:
    I thought it also had something to do with clear day in order to be AHL playoff eligible, if by some miracle they make it. Since NHL rosters expand post deadline, it’s probably a paper transaction and they’ll be recalled tomorrow

    That was the reason for Lagesson – he was sent down and recalled.

    Benson is down for to play.

    Both would be eligible for the AHL playoffs if the Condors pull a miracle and make it.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: It’s not. It’s a 50 contract max limit in any given year running from Jul1 to next Jul1.Being at 50 in the present season has no effect on signings for the next season unless it too is at 50.

    There are certain contracts that could kick in right away with the player playing this season – those are no longer an option.

  129. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I wouldn’t have Nurse *quite* at Muzzin’s level, but its close.

    Muzzin’s contract is all UFA years. (obv, but wanted to mention for others)

    Nurse is 25. The Oilers will be paying for his prime years.

    Muzzin is 31. The Leafs are paying for a declining asset.

  130. stephen sheps says:

    OriginalPouzar: Benson is down to play.

    That’s the right call. He needs the reps.

    That being said, I hope they bring him up for the playoffs should they happen. (I’m trying so hard not to get too ahead of myself – we say ‘because Oilers’ here for a reason…)
    Assuming no AHL playoff run, the additional practice time and to see the pace of play up close would probably be a very good learning experience for him.

  131. godot10 says:

    Munny:
    Matt Benning is still an Oiler at the end of Deadline Day.

    Not many were thinking that last night, including myself.

    I think Benning and Puljujarvi will be going for picks in June. To replenish some of the missing ones.

  132. godot10 says:

    Athanasiou, McDavid, Kassian.

    Who the hell is checking in here? -)

    Nurse and Bear will get a ton of work three-on-two.

    • Ryan says:

      Between AA and McDavid, you’d also wonder what the breakaways and 2v1 /60 would be (for the Oilers).

      AA is interesting.

      He can beat a goalie clean with a one-timer far out from the net outside of faceoff circles or clean with an unobstructed shot from the hash marks.

      Not too many guys can do that.

      I think his shot is underrated.

    • Numenius says:

      That’s why I think AA-McDavid-Archibald would be a better mix

  133. godot10 says:

    Did anyone see Russell get hurt? Or did Kenny just make him an offer he could not refuse?

  134. OilersFuture says:

    Unless I am misunderstanding the CBA. The Oilers are free to sign an NCAA, European or CHL free agent to a contract for next season prior to July 1st.

    The Oiler’s will miss out on any ‘priority NCAA” free agents that wants to burn a year of their ELC. But in all honesty those free agents typically sign with teams that miss the playoffs.

    For example, last year there were 5 skaters (Max Veronneau, Nico Sturm, Brady Keeper, Taro Hirose & Ryan Kuffner) that signed contracts and played a game in the NHL which burned the first year of their ELC. And are now RFA’s after essentially one year.

    However, last year prior to July 1st the Oiler’s signed, undrafted prospects Nygard & Day. As well as drafted prospects MacLeod & Samorukov in May & June. I believe the Oiler’s contract limit after the deadline was 49 last year although I cannot find that information now.

    Typically what a team may do is sign a player to an AHL contract for the current year (2019-20) and a separate ELC contract for (2020-21 & 21-22).

    An example of this would be Karson Kuhlman who plays for the Bruins. Signed a contract on Apr 10, 2018. But the first year of his contract was 2018-19 and he did play games for the Bruins farm system in 2017-18.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/players/karson-kuhlman

    So long story short the 50 contract limit should not stop them from picking up a couple of players prior to July 1st to hopefully help out Bakersfield for next year.

  135. Reja says:

    wolf8888:
    Button says he plays with blinders on. Doesn’t look like it. Great vision on some of those assists

    Red Buttons loves trolling the Oilers.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    duct tape and foil:
    Iʻd be using Benning very carefully for the rest of the year and (hopefully) playoffs. One more big hit on the melon may be the end of his career after taking two this season already. The guyʻs a warrior and heʻll go if medically cleared, but you want to be careful with him for his own sake, and of course secondarily for his trade value this summer.

    The verbal on Russellʻs status from Tip (“murky”) and Holland (donʻt know”) is pretty odd and leads you to believe heʻs dealing with some serious issues. Donʻt need Benning in the same boat.

    I’m not sure I really agree on Benning – I mean how do you use him “carefully”? He’s either healthy enough to play or he isn’t.

    Of course he’ll always be at a higher risk for another head injury now but spot-starting him, for example, isn’t the answer for me. He’s either healthy enough to play or he’s not. If the risk is too high, his games should be reduced to 7 out of 10, for example, they should be reduced to zero.

    They (and Matt) were very careful coming back this time and he has taken just as much of a beating since his return as he ever has and his head is coming through it just fine.

    Rest and nights off are fine but I don’t think they need/should be done in the name of reducing concussion chances.

  137. TheGreatBigMac says:

    Darth Tu,

    Yes, hope. This was the Oilers projected lineup for game 63 last year, thank you Ken Holland!

    Oilers projected lineup

    Tobias Rieder — Leon Draisaitl — Alex Chiasson

    Sam Gagner — Ryan Nugent-Hopkins — Zack Kassian

    Milan Lucic — Colby Cave — Josh Currie

    Ty Rattie — Kyle Brodziak — Brad Malone

    Oscar Klefbom — Adam Larsson

    Darnell Nurse — Kris Russell

    Andrej Sekera — Matt Benning

    Mikko Koskinen

    Anthony Stolarz

  138. Mr DeBakey says:

    godot10: Munny:
    Matt Benning is still an Oiler at the end of Deadline Day.

    Not many were thinking that last night, including myself.

    I think Benning and Puljujarvi will be going for picks in June. To replenish some of the missing ones.

    I was thinking Chiasson too. Maybe a 4th.
    ** ** **

    The Oilers currently had 30 players under contract for next year. Signing Free Agents like Dmitrij Jaskin, Anton Slepyshev and defenseman Mikko Lehtonen from the KHL is no problem.

  139. jp says:

    Bling: McDavid with a Hoffman type could easily be a 60%+ GF line. McDavid with AA, I have no idea.

    Numenius: Hoffman would have been ideal.

    Athanasiou GF% and GF%rel by season:
    17-18 44.7% -4.3
    18-19 47.1% +1.9
    19-20 25.4% -11.6

    Hoffman same:
    17-18 44.4% +1.5
    18-19 42.2% -5.3
    19-20 48.4% -2.7

    Full disclosure, Hoffman was better than Athanasiou in 15-16 and 16-17, but it’s not so clear Hoffman is a better option than Athanasiou.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    stephen sheps: That’s the right call. He needs the reps.

    That being said, I hope they bring him up for the playoffs should they happen. (I’m trying so hard not to get too ahead of myself – we say ‘because Oilers’ here for a reason…)
    Assuming no AHL playoff run, the additional practice time and to see the pace of play up close would probably be a very good learning experience for him.

    They’ll have to see where they are at – only 4 non-emergency call-ups allowed post deadline and one was already used to call Willie back up.

    • Ryan says:

      To clarify, are you suggesting that they wasted one emergency call up so that Willie could play in the AHL playoffs that they’re not going to make anyways

      • N64 says:

        4 non-emergency calls. no limit on emergency.

        • Ryan says:

          Thanks for that. I also acknowledge that I misread his post. I guess we don’t have much to recall from the AHL on a non-emergency basis to worry about.

        • geowal says:

          I assume we can call Lagesson up and down as we please and he only counts once on this 4 re all limit….right?

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilersFuture:
    Unless I am misunderstanding the CBA.The Oilers are free to sign an NCAA, European or CHL free agent to a contract for next season prior to July 1st.

    The Oiler’s will miss out on any ‘priority NCAA” free agents that wants to burn a year of their ELC.But in all honesty those free agents typically sign with teams that miss the playoffs.

    For example, last year there were 5 skaters (Max Veronneau, Nico Sturm, Brady Keeper, Taro Hirose & Ryan Kuffner) that signed contracts and played a game in the NHL which burned the first year of their ELC.And are now RFA’s after essentially one year.

    However, last year prior to July 1st the Oiler’s signed, undrafted prospects Nygard & Day.As well as drafted prospects MacLeod & Samorukov in May & June.I believe the Oiler’s contract limit after the deadline was 49 last year although I cannot find that information now.

    Typically what a team may do is sign a player to an AHL contract for the current year (2019-20) and a separate ELC contract for (2020-21 & 21-22).

    An example of this would be Karson Kuhlman who plays for the Bruins.Signed a contract on Apr 10, 2018.But the first year of his contract was 2018-19 and he did play games for the Bruins farm system in 2017-18.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/players/karson-kuhlman

    So long story short the 50 contract limit should not stop them from picking up a couple of players prior to July 1st to hopefully help out Bakersfield for next year.

    This is correct, however, the 50 contracts is prohibitive of those NCAA players that will require the first year to vest right away as a condition to their signing – normally the higher end.

    Of course, Holland and his team can divest of a contract in a separate transaction if they are in line to sign one of these guys.

  142. Mr DeBakey says:

    I don’t see Neal getting a lot of ice-time from here forward [barring injuries].

    The PP is doing fine without him.
    He’s 9th-ish in 5v5 points, which leaves him sharing 4th line RW with Chiasson & Russell.

    Edit: Plus, there is no need for the 21 goal clause to kick in, is there?

  143. Gerta Rauss says:

    Do we know for certain if the Neal/Lucic 3rd round pick vests if Neal score 21 goals in the regular season and including the playoffs…?

    Or is it just the regular season..?

    The condition(s) I can find on Puckpedia and Capfriendly says the 2019/2020 season. Are the playoffs included in the season..?

  144. jtblack says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Do we know for certain if the Neal/Lucic 3rd round pick vests if Neal score 21 goals in the regular season and including the playoffs…?

    Or is it just the regular season..?

    The condition(s) I can find on Puckpedia and Capfriendly says the 2019/2020 season. Are the playoffs included in the season..?

    only Reg Season

  145. jp says:

    geowal:
    Poll question:
    AA has ten goals, now tieing him for 7th on team with Archibald.
    Q: what rank will he end the regular season?
    Tiebreaker: with how many goals?

    Winner gets Woodguy donation to LT in their honour. Entries until LTs post tomorrow (not checking tomorrow’s blog)

    7 goals in 20 games with the Oilers, giving him 17.

    Which would put him 7th (Kassian and Ennis are at 14 now, I think each gets 4+ through the 20 games to stay ahead of Athanasiou).

  146. flea says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    I don’t see Neal getting a lot of ice-time from here forward [barring injuries].

    The PP is doing fine without him.
    He’s 9th-ish in 5v5 points, which leaves him sharing 4th line RW with Chiasson & Russell.

    Edit: Plus, there is no need for the 21 goal clause to kick in, is there?

    The one thing with Neal is I wonder how long he was playing hurt. He took a game off back in November I think, and ever since then he hasn’t played well when he was in the lineup.

    If he can get healthy again he may come back better than before.

    If I’ve learned anything reading Lowetide over the past decade, is that injuries are a leading cause of performance regression. Hockey is a brutal sport.

  147. JimmyV1965 says:

    Great day to be an Oiler fan. Holland did exactly what I didn’t think he would do – make a hockey trade on deadline day. And he got a great price for AA!!!! Even if AA ends up being just a good third liner, the upside to this trade is easily worth the price he paid.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    TheGreatBigMac:
    Darth Tu,

    Yes, hope.This was the Oilers projected lineup for game 63 last year, thank you Ken Holland!

    Oilers projected lineup

    Tobias Rieder — Leon Draisaitl — Alex Chiasson

    Sam Gagner — Ryan Nugent-Hopkins — Zack Kassian

    Milan Lucic — Colby Cave — Josh Currie

    Ty Rattie — Kyle Brodziak — Brad Malone

    Oscar Klefbom — Adam Larsson

    Darnell Nurse — Kris Russell

    Andrej Sekera — Matt Benning

    Mikko Koskinen

    Anthony Stolarz

    I assume that was one of the game McDavid was suspended for?

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan:
    To clarify, are you suggesting that they wasted one emergency call up so that Willie could play in the AHL playoffs that they’re not going to make anyways

    I don’t know if I’d use the word “wasted” but, yes, he was put on the Condors roster for the deadline to be AHL playoff eligible and then re-called to the Oilers using up on of their 4 non-emergency post deadline call-ups.

  150. Ryan says:

    geowal:
    Poll question:
    AA has ten goals, now tieing him for 7th on team with Archibald.
    Q: what rank will he end the regular season?
    Tiebreaker: with how many goals?

    Winner gets Woodguy donation to LT in their honour. Entries until LTs post tomorrow (not checking tomorrow’s blog)

    My optimistic magic 8 ball says 8 goals… finishing with 18!

    He’ll finish sixth on the Oilers.

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Do we know for certain if the Neal/Lucic 3rd round pick vests if Neal score 21 goals in the regular season and including the playoffs…?

    Or is it just the regular season..?

    The condition(s) I can find on Puckpedia and Capfriendly says the 2019/2020 season. Are the playoffs included in the season..?

    Its just regular season.

  152. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: There are certain contracts that could kick in right away with the player playing this season – those are no longer an option.

    No one was stating they were. We clearly distinguished between the two cases. However you were stating ALL new NCAA free agent contracts would be prohibited, but in fact that is not the case… only the very rare situation where the player would play this year.

    Glad you’re up-to-speed now, lol.

  153. drglen says:

    so not a drop for JP hey?

    Maybe he comes to training camp next year afterall.

    Whenver I’ve seen AA, he’s looked really dangerous. This is a great call.

  154. Eh Team says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t know if I’d use the word “wasted” but, yes, he was put on the Condors roster for the deadline to be AHL playoff eligible and then re-called to the Oilers using up on of their 4 non-emergency post deadline call-ups.

    They needed to get down to a 23 man roster pre-deadline. So Lagesson (and Benson) got sent down. Once the deadline was past, the 23 man roster restriction is gone.

  155. jp says:

    Ryan: I watched AA’s goals from his 30 goal season. Loads of high skill goals and plays. You can certainly see the attraction to this player.
    He scored a bunch with a great 1 timer.

    Damn yeah.

    The moves and breakaway speed are great, but that shot from the FO circle is what McDavid serves up on a platter so often.

    A lot of different elements are there for Athanasiou to complement McDavid really nicely.

  156. Gerta Rauss says:

    drglen: so not a drop for JP hey?

    Maybe he comes to training camp next year afterall.

    I’d welcome JP back and I think him coming to camp is the best way for the Oilers to get max value for him, even if that means trading him after he establishes himself again

    But I think Kenny is going to be motivated to recoup some of the spent assets today, and trading JP for a pick(s) seems like the likely course of action imo

  157. Munny says:

    Ryan,

    jp,

    That is a much better one-timer than I was expecting…

    • Ryan says:

      Agreed.

      I think his shot, in general, is underrated.

      AA and McDavid on the same line is worth the price of admission.

      Never in the history of the NHL have there been two guys that fast on the same line, ever.

      That’s me simply stating a fact.

  158. Munny says:

    Eh Team: They needed to get down to a 23 man roster pre-deadline.So Lagesson (and Benson) got sent down.Once the deadline was past, the 23 man roster restriction is gone.

    The 23 man roster limit actually disappears at 12:01am of deadline day. They were moved solely to make them eligible for the Condors… in case they somehow miracle their way into the AHL playoffs

  159. doctoreye says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    This is like Xmas day to me.I wanted Ennis and AA.Hooray and Holland for President!

  160. Material Elvis says:

    There is an infamous poster on this site who used to pray at the church of Tallon. He’s quiet tonight.

    Tallon made one of the dumbest trades today that I’ve ever seen. That Trochek deal….what the fuck was that?!

  161. Munny says:

    Material Elvis,

    Apparently Tallon was told to cut $10M in salary from the roster before next season. That’s what Stauffer was saying today.

    But that doesn’t explain… why now? Unless Tallon felt that prices being the way they were this week, he wouldn’t do any better in the summer.

    The other possibility is that the Org feels Trocheck is permanently damaged goods and will never get back to being the same player… and it’s better to trade him before he proves it to the whole League.

  162. Material Elvis says:

    Munny:
    Material Elvis,

    Apparently Tallon was told to cut $10M in salary from the roster before next season.That’s what Stauffer was saying today.

    But that doesn’t explain… why now?Unless Tallon felt that prices being the way they were this week, he wouldn’t do any better in the summer.

    The other possibility is that the Org feels Trocheck is permanently damaged goods and will never get back to being the same player… and it’s better to trade him before he proves it to the whole League.

    Ok I suppose owner meddling would make sense; wouldn’t be the first time. But why would he agree to pay Bob that contract last summer if he’s looking to cut payroll already? Plus they were trying to sign Bread Man for huge money, too. I didn’t consider the Ryan Whitney angle but you’d think Carolina would have done their due-diligence on that before pulling the trigger. And I don’t think he would have gotten less in the summer, sooooo….?

  163. Munny says:

    Material Elvis,

    One of the comments that I heard on NHL Network today—can’t remember by whom, might have been Barnaby he’s on a lot—was that there is no consistency of strategy in FLA from year-to-year. That ownership keeps changing the goals radically every damn year.

  164. Material Elvis says:

    Munny,

    Wow, I don’t know how a person could work with an owner like that; even HH doesn’t flip flop to that degree.

  165. Munny says:

    Of all the weird things…

    Okay we all know Smith has bonuses in his contract, which are vesting as he plays more and more games… if KRusty is out till game 1 of the playoffs, this is not an issue because LTIR will soak up the bonuses.

    KY is on an ELC so of course has bonuses too. The most realistic of his is 20 goals, which IIRC gets him $25k (please correct me if my memory is a sieve).

    BUT…

    Gaetan Haas also has a bonus-laden ELC contract… up to $637k’s worth, far more than Yammertime.

    I can’t seem to find the bonus triggers on CF anywhere, but Bob mentioned one on the show today… Haas earns $200k if he finishes top 3 in +/- on the team. He’ll never catch KY or Benning, but the next guy after that is only +2 ahead of Haas.

    Take your time, Cowboy…

  166. Munny says:

    Material Elvis:
    Munny,

    Wow, I don’t know how a person could work with an owner like that;even HH doesn’t flip flop to that degree.

    I know, I was thinking the same after I posted my last response… how long can Tallon endure this crap?

    First there was the ownership change, and then those (3?) guys didn’t have the same philosophies… so you had them buying into stats, dropping their stats team, re-starting the project. They went from buyers to sellers to buyers to sellers… snap coaching changes. It’s been a whirlwind.

    I wonder if Tallon stays just to bring some level of stability to the org… out of sympathy for coaching, the fans, the players, etc

  167. duct tape and foil says:

    They should shut Benning down for the rest of the year. He may not show obvious symptoms from the recent events (ie he is medically cleared) but cumulative damage exists which is increasingly dangerous without adequate time to recover, and you need longer to recover from each subsequent event. The following is from a section is titled “Consequences of Repetitive Head Impacts and Multiple Concussions”

    Although studies of the effects of multiple concussions on cognitive function and symptom presentation have had mixed results, more studies report unfavorable changes than do not. The most commonly observed neurocognitive impairments have been in the areas of memory and processing speed. In some studies, symptom load (i.e., the number and severity of concussion symptoms) has been found to be increased in athletes with a history of two or more concussions.

    Athletes with a history of concussion may have more severe subsequent concussions and may take longer to recover. Preliminary evidence suggests that, in addition to the number of concussions an individual has sustained, the time interval between concussions may be an important factor in the risk for and the severity of subsequent concussions.

    Surveys of retired professional athletes provide some evidence of a positive association between the number of concussions an individual has sustained and risk for depression. There has thus far been very little research on the relationship between multiple concussions and suicidal thoughts and behaviors.

    Se here for the full review: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK185336/

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not sure I really agree on Benning – I mean how do you use him “carefully”?He’s either healthy enough to play or he isn’t.

    Of course he’ll always be at a higher risk for another head injury now but spot-starting him, for example, isn’t the answer for me.He’s either healthy enough to play or he’s not.If the risk is too high, his games should be reduced to 7 out of 10, for example, they should be reduced to zero.

    They (and Matt) were very careful coming back this time and he has taken just as much of a beating since his return as he ever has and his head is coming through it just fine.

    Rest and nights off are fine but I don’t think they need/should be done in the name of reducing concussion chances.

    • stephen sheps says:

      a colleague of mine in the UK has been doing research on sport related concussions from a sociological perspective for a while. I Literally just gave a lecture on this stuff yesterday in my sport sociology class.

      the depression/mental health and social impacts of head trauma isn’t given nearly enough attention. it’s not just a medical issue.

  168. Bulging Twine says:

    Munny:
    According to a Gregor twit, Holland was looking for another Dman, but it didn’t pan out.

    I saw that tweet as well but I heard Holland differently on that one (during Gregor’s interview with him). I think he was recapping what he wanted to do, 1- I wanted to get a defenceman, 2- I wanted to get some fw’s…

  169. Munny says:

    Bulging Twine: I saw that tweet as well but I heard Holland differently on that one (during Gregor’s interview with him).I think he was recapping what he wanted to do, 1- I wanted to get a defenceman, 2- I wanted to get some fw’s…

    Yeah, you might be right there. Wouldn’t surprise me that a MSM pundit got it wrong (altho I like Gregor)

    Another one was Bob saying we were in on Marleau prior to him going to Pitt—after which we got AA.

    That’s quite the switch in strategy itself.

  170. Munny says:

    duct tape and foil,

    Stauffer was saying today that in his opinion Benning hasn’t looked right since returning and he thinks that was a big reason for the acquisition of Green.

  171. Rocknrolla says:

    flea,

    Gregor said he had a broken toe for 2 months too…

  172. ArmchairGM says:

    TheGreatBigMac:
    Darth Tu,

    Yes, hope.This was the Oilers projected lineup for game 63 last year, thank you Ken Holland!

    Oilers projected lineup

    Tobias Rieder — Leon Draisaitl — Alex Chiasson

    Sam Gagner — Ryan Nugent-Hopkins — Zack Kassian

    Milan Lucic — Colby Cave — Josh Currie

    Ty Rattie — Kyle Brodziak — Brad Malone

    Oscar Klefbom — Adam Larsson

    Darnell Nurse — Kris Russell

    Andrej Sekera — Matt Benning

    Mikko Koskinen

    Anthony Stolarz

    Wow, that’s shocking! Thanks for posting this.

  173. OilersFuture says:

    OriginalPouzar: This is correct, however, the 50 contracts is prohibitive of those NCAA players that will require the first year to vest right away as a condition to their signing – normally the higher end.
    Of course, Holland and his team can divest of a contract in a separate transaction if they are in line to sign one of these guys.

    Are you positive on this item? I could not find any special loop-hole for NCAA/College in the CBA that would not allow a team to sign a free agent college or otherwise for next year’s season. Similar to how the Oiler’s signed Nygard & Day last spring.

    The site below Buckys 5th Quarter talks about the burning a year process and the ATO option.

    https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/wisconsin-badgers-mens-hockey/2015/3/11/8188865/nhl-cba

    Any chance you can provide some details on why the Oiler’s could not sign a player such as Brinson Pasichnuk out of Arizona State?

  174. jp says:

    Material Elvis:
    There is an infamous poster on this site who used to pray at the church of Tallon.He’s quiet tonight.

    Tallon made one of the dumbest trades today that I’ve ever seen.That Trochek deal….what the fuck was that?!

    I don’t see why that’s such a bad trade for the Panthers…

    I guess evaluations of the parts vary as always, but is Trocheck a 75 point player or a ~55 point (pace) player like he has been every year other than that one?

    He’s signed for a shade under $5M for this year and 2 more. So I see this a very similar to the Zucker and Miller moves (though Trocheck has 1 year less on his deal compared to those other two).

    The return doesn’t hurt the Panthers much right now, and has significant futures. I thought it was a bit of an unusual deal in that it brought back important pieces for now and for later.

    This year Trocheck for Haula and Wallmark isn’t a major loss. Haula is an expiring contract but he’s a top 6 forward. And Wallmark is a useful if unexciting player.

    The futures both look to be legit prospects. Luostarinen is a 2017 2nd rounder who scored 36 points in Finland last year and got time with the World Championship team. Underwhelming first AHL season but still a real chance to be an NHLer.

    Priskie was a sought after college FA D and appears to be having a very nice 1st AHL season. I’d guess both prospects are worth similar to a 2nd rounder though I could obviously be wrong.

    It all seems reasonable to me, in particular if Tallon knows Trocheck needs to go in the next few months regardless. Am i missing something?

  175. v4ance says:

    Ethan Bear had 18 games with the Oilers last year in the 3rd pairing where he struggled. During the offseason, he made changes to his diet, to his skating and to his training. He had a taste of the NHL and saw he wasn’t good enough to hold a roster spot.

    This year, not only did he win a roster spot, he seems to be solidifying himself as a Top 4 D.

    Benson has had 8 games with the Oilers this season. The first stint he had a few games and was largely invisible. This last group of games, he started to make more passes, hold the puck longer, and look around more trying to find better options. The game was starting to slow down for him so he’s close.

    Hopefully, he is inspired and encouraged by Bear’s improvement and makes the same commitment to growth that Bear made over the summer. He now knows what the pace of play is at the NHL level and so he knows the bar he has to achieve to stay. I’m hopeful that Benson “pops” the way Bear popped this year.

  176. jp says:

    Munny:

    BUT…

    Gaetan Haas also has a bonus-laden ELC contract… up to $637k’s worth, far more than Yammertime.

    I can’t seem to find the bonus triggers on CF anywhere, but Bob mentioned one on the show today… Haas earns $200k if he finishes top 3 in +/- on the team.He’ll never catch KY or Benning, but the next guy after that is only +2 ahead of Haas.

    Take your time, Cowboy…

    +/- as a bonus condition seems unusual too, no?

    Haas betting on himself and the strengths of his game? He certainly has had good possession numbers and hasn’t bled goals against like a lot of recent Oilers bottom 6 ‘solutions’.

  177. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    v4ance:
    Ethan Bear had 18 games with the Oilers last year in the 3rd pairing where he struggled.During the offseason, he made changes to his diet, to his skating and to his training.He had a taste of the NHL and saw he wasn’t good enough to hold a roster spot.

    This year, not only did he win a roster spot, he seems to be solidifying himself as a Top 4 D.

    Benson has had 8 games with the Oilers this season.The first stint he had a few games and was largely invisible.This last group of games, he started to make more passes, hold the puck longer, and look around more trying to find better options.The game was starting to slow down for him so he’s close.

    Hopefully, he is inspired and encouraged by Bear’s improvement and makes the same commitment to growth that Bear made over the summer.He now knows what the pace of play is at the NHL level and so he knows the bar he has to achieve to stay.I’m hopeful that Benson “pops” the way Bear popped this year.

    Bear’s 18 game stint was 2 seasons ago, in 17/18, not last season.

  178. ArmchairGM says:

    Munny: Yeah, you might be right there.Wouldn’t surprise me that a MSM pundit got it wrong (altho I like Gregor)

    Another one was Bob saying we were in on Marleau prior to him going to Pitt—after which we got AA.

    That’s quite the switch in strategy itself.

    Ennis was the plan B for Marleau, not Athanasiou.

  179. ArmchairGM says:

    jp: I guess evaluations of the parts vary as always, but is Trocheck a 75 point player or a ~55 point (pace) player like he has been every year other than that one?

    Trocheck hasn’t been the same player since sustaining an injury 15 months ago.

  180. RedNed says:

    geowal:
    Poll question:
    AA has ten goals, now tieing him for 7th on team with Archibald.
    Q: what rank will he end the regular season?
    Tiebreaker: with how many goals?

    Winner gets Woodguy donation to LT in their honour. Entries until LTs post tomorrow (not checking tomorrow’s blog)

    Ties for seventh with 17 goals for the season.

  181. jp says:

    ArmchairGM: Trocheck hasn’t been the same player since sustaining an injury 15 months ago.

    It seems the Canes may not agree…

  182. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eh Team: They needed to get down to a 23 man roster pre-deadline.So Lagesson (and Benson) got sent down.Once the deadline was past, the 23 man roster restriction is gone.

    I don’t think that’s true – they’ve got 23 with Lagesson and Benson and 22 with Benson staying in the AHL.

    Lagesson was done as a paper transaction to ensure eligibility for the AHL playoffs – if there is a miracle.

    His re-call uses one of the 4 call-ups.

    They now have a 22 man roster (plus all the IR and including Zack).

    The have no extra healthy forwards and one extra healthy d-man.

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: The 23 man roster limit actually disappears at 12:01am of deadline day.They were moved solely to make them eligible for the Condors… in case they somehow miracle their way into the AHL playoffs

    Lagesson was moved solely to have AHL playoff eligibility.

    Benson was moved to play for the Condors – capfriendly has him on the Oilers roster still be he’s staying to play.

    Glad you are now up to speed.

  184. OriginalPouzar says:

    duct tape and foil:
    They should shut Benning down for the rest of the year. He may not show obvious symptoms from the recent events (ie he is medically cleared) but cumulative damage exists which is increasingly dangerous without adequate time to recover, and you need longer to recover from each subsequent event. The following is from a section is titled “Consequences of Repetitive Head Impacts and Multiple Concussions”

    Although studies of the effects of multiple concussions on cognitive function and symptom presentation have had mixed results, more studies report unfavorable changes than do not. The most commonly observed neurocognitive impairments have been in the areas of memory and processing speed. In some studies, symptom load (i.e., the number and severity of concussion symptoms) has been found to be increased in athletes with a history of two or more concussions.

    Athletes with a history of concussion may have more severe subsequent concussions and may take longer to recover. Preliminary evidence suggests that, in addition to the number of concussions an individual has sustained, the time interval between concussions may be an important factor in the risk for and the severity of subsequent concussions.

    Surveys of retired professional athletes provide some evidence of a positive association between the number of concussions an individual has sustained and risk for depression. There has thus far been very little research on the relationship between multiple concussions and suicidal thoughts and behaviors.

    Se here for the full review: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK185336/

    If that premise is used generally, most of the league will be shut down.

  185. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: If that premise is used generally, most of the league will be shut down.

    I could be wrong but when a player is medically cleared it isn’t from a family Doctor in Killam.

  186. Jethro Tull says:

    Reja: I could be wrong but when a player is medically cleared it isn’t from a family Doctor in Killam.

    Nope, they’re cleared by medical professionals that are gainfully employed by a franchise that itself belongs to an organization that has repeatedly and consistently shown that it has little interest in the safety of its players.

    And the Oilers have demonstrably been awful about the treatment and PR surrounding its players.

    It’s happening in real time on the NFL. How long do you think it will take before a class action suit is brought against the NHL and individuals within it?

  187. Side says:

    Jethro Tull: Nope, they’re cleared by medical professionals that are gainfully employed by a franchise that itself belongs to an organization that has repeatedly and consistently shown that it has little interest in the safety of its players.

    And the Oilers have demonstrably been awful about the treatment and PR surrounding its players.

    It’s happening in real time on the NFL. How long do you think it will take before a class action suit is brought against the NHL and individuals within it?

    The Oilers have been awful about the treatment and PR surrounding it’s players regarding health? Wasn’t the last situation Souray?

    • Jethro Tull says:

      Sidesy, where you been?

      Burgers omitting from Kenny the seriousness of McDavid’s injury on his interview? Connor’s medical team overruling the Oilers doctors?

      JP getting second opinion on his hip?

  188. VanIsleOil says:

    geowal,

    AA …19 goals, 6th place.

  189. OriginalPouzar says:

    JethroTull: Nope, they’re cleared by medical professionals that are gainfully employed by a franchise that itself belongs to an organization that has repeatedly and consistently shown that it has little interest in the safety of its players.

    And the Oilers have demonstrably been awful about the treatment and PR surrounding its players.

    It’s happening in real time on the NFL. How long do you think it will take before a class action suit is brought against the NHL and individuals within it?

    I think the Oilers organization was very careful with Benning’s most recent recovery and return – both they and the player spoke about exactly that many times.

  190. John Chambers says:

    That goal by Athanasiou was all speed, baby!

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