2019-20 Game 62: Oilers at Kings

There are real roster uncertainties as I write this, transactions on Saturday to send Colby Cave and Evan Bouchard to Bakersfield Condors await the bookend maneuvre. Connor McDavid isn’t always the lead story, while also always being the lead story. If he’s playing tonight, the Oilers have improved enormously overnight. That’s a fact.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide Trade Deadline: Oilers countdown to trade deadline involves age old dilemma
  • New Jonathan Willis: They shoot, they don’t score: NHLers who just can’t find the back of the net
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Why cap issues mean McDavid’s return could be Oilers’ only pre-deadline move
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers lack deadline flexibility due to injuries, few assets and bonuses
  • Lowetide: Making sense of the Oilers forward depth chart for the summer
  • Lowetide: For Oilers’ Kailer Yamamoto and Leon Draisaitl, first impressions are long forgotten. Why not for Jesse Puljujarvi?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Next-night masters: How the Oilers beat the Hurricanes and improved to 6-0 in the 2nd half of back-to-backs
  • Lowetide: Oilers reap benefits of Bakersfield Condors’ strong development process, even in a losing season
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Stepping out and up, Leon Draisaitl puts himself in the Hart Trophy mix in Connor McDavid’s absence
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Despite ‘transformation’ with Oilers, Zack Kassian’s on-ice actions come under scrutiny again
  • Jonathan Willis: Why the Oilers are playing their best 5-on-5 hockey of the season
  • Lowetide: Making sense of the Oilers defensive depth chart for the stretch run and the summer
  • Jonathan Willis: 10 overlooked trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: The Oilers trading their first-round pick is a bad idea
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 15 potential trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: Drilling down on right-handed centres for the Oilers to target before the trade deadline
  • Lowetide: If fast is the new big, the Oilers are trending in a very good direction
  • Lowetide: Why the Oilers are more likely to trade Adam Larsson than Kris Russell
  • Lowetide: Oilers prospects Evan Bouchard and Tyler Benson deliver best minor league performances in 20 years
  • Jonathan Willis: An updated list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20

OILERS AFTER 62 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015-16: 22-34-6, 50 points; goal differential -34
  • Oilers in 2016-17: 33-21-8, 74 points; goal differential +12
  • Oilers in 2017-18: 27-31-4, 58 points; goal differential -33
  • Oilers in 2018-19: 26-29-7, 59 points; goal differential -23
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 32-22-7, 71 points; goal differential +3

Terrific season in those numbers, and many youngsters have emerged in real time. I don’t recall a season where more roster players enjoy career seasons or close, and in fact many players are enjoying impressive first full NHL seasons. Lots to applaud across the roster, coaching and management included.

ON THE TENS

  • First 10 games: 7-2-1
  • Second 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Third 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Fourth 10 games: 3-6-1
  • Fifth 10 games: 6-2-2
  • Sixth 10 games: 6-3-1
  • Current 10 games: 0-1-0

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-9-0, four points; goal differential -21
  • Oilers in February 2017: 5-6-0, 10 points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in February 2018: 3-7-1, seven points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2019: 3-5-3, nine points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in February 2020: 5-4-1, 11 points; goal differential +1

One of the things we’ll need to discuss in the offseason is the run by Edmonton starting January 1. I haven’t gone back to look over the team’s history this century, but this season (11-5-3), the 2016-17 campaign (13-8-2) and 2005-06 (8-6-4) all landed in a positive direction Jan. 1 through February 23.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: CAL, ARI (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: SJS, NAS, CHI (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • On the road to: TBY, FLA, CAR (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: BOS, MIN (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-1)
  • On the road to: LAK, ANA, VEG (Expected 2-1-0)
  • At home to: WPG (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 5-4-1, 11 points in 10 games

Oilers need this game tonight. It sets up the deadline in a positive way (Edmonton would slide back into second in the Pacific) and gives the team enough breathing room to consider trading valuable assets. Big game. LAK aren’t an easy out, and that’s when everyone is healthy.

OILERS 2019-20

The article I wrote for The Athletic yesterday (the trade dilemma) drove home the fact Ken Holland needs to acquire a left winger for the McDavid line. You’d like Tomas Tatar but Tyler Ennis is a solid option.

Elliotte Friedman mentioned Edmonton’s interest in Mike Green last night, Jonathan Willis wrote about him recently so I won’t retrace his steps. I will post his Puck IQ numbers against elites, though, Green isn’t your ordinary broken down blue.

Oscar Klefbom has played 33 percent of his five on five time against elites this season, that’s the range for Green. Detroit is a terrible team, so Klefbom’s goal differential against elites (14-13) is superior to Green’s in Detroit (5-12) but that DFF percentage (48.20) for Green is quality. Ken Holland likes old people. This would be his first “I know a guy” deal since arriving, although he did sign Riley Sheahan as a free agent.

The big question for me is who is leaving to make room? Kris Russell has been mentioned but that’s the cap issue, what about the RH side? Edmonton currently employs Bear, Larsson and Benning there, so if Green is coming in, one of those men must be leaving. Right? Fascinating. Larsson? Benning? It sure as hell isn’t Bear.

TORONTO

Maple Leafs fans are hurting units this morning, that was a bad beat and it will be remembered. Exacerbating things is a long, long list of articles with titles like ‘How long before Mcdavid wants out of Edmonton?’ that have enraged Canadian outposts for decades. So there’s no sympathy, not an ounce, across this great nation this morning. To the contrary. Ken Holland might want to make a call to Kyle Dubas this morning, asking if he needs a rugged forward or defenseman. Hey, it’s a cruel business.

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  1. Darth Tu says:

    drglen:
    well,sunday night up at 4:30… gotta go to bed.…. safe in the knowledge, that.. there is NO WAY,EVER… that the LA kings come back against the oilers scoring multiple goals in the third period.

    This aged well.

  2. LMHF#1 says:

    Nurse dipping into the Kris Russell 2-on-1 playbook…

    They need Klefbom back very badly.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    and Vegas re-takes the lead.

  4. Munny says:

    drglen,

    Has NEVER been right and will NEVER be right ever again in his life.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a save by Cal Petersson.

  6. Munny says:

    Gagner has to move his feet there and give McDeity (stuck on the wall) some options.

  7. jp says:

    Weird choice for Smith to negate the icing there… Huh

  8. Darth Tu says:

    What we need now is game management.

  9. oilersfan says:

    Munny,

    You know when he said that he was referring to the 1982 miracle on Manchester when LA came back from 5-0 in the third period of game four in the playoffs against the oilers, right? It was a tongue in cheek comment not a cocky prediction that sometimes enables Karma to bite one in the ass and prove the prediction wrong…

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu:
    What we need now is game management.

    or an insurance goal…..

  11. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Helluva backcheck and pressure by Nuge there at the end of his shift to regain possession and get the puck moving north.

  12. Bulging Twine says:

    vegas up by 2

  13. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Petersen is living up to his billing by OP. He’s absolutely stuffed Leon a couple times and then Nurse just at the end of that PP. Hope that doesn’t swing the momentum.

  14. Munny says:

    Could the ref run a better pick around the back of our net?

  15. Gerta Rauss says:

    Mike Green an Oiler per Gene P

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    What an odd acquisition of Green – for Brodz and a conditional pick (no idea what that is).

    Not sure how we are making that money work – maybe Neal is going on LTIR?

  17. Munny says:

    Great acquisition cost

  18. Ryan says:

    Green for Brodziak and a conditional pick?

  19. jp says:

    Concern for Moto there…

  20. StixMalone says:

    Ryan,

    It’s a start

  21. unca miltie says:

    Kinda nice to have to scoreboard watch

  22. Gerta Rauss says:

    OriginalPouzar: Not sure how we are making that money work – maybe Neal is going on LTIR?

    Maybe some money is being retained..?…has to be

  23. jp says:

    Ryan:
    Green for Brodziak and a conditional pick?

    What the actual fuck?

    That *sounds* like a no-loss.

    Brodz is interesting too…. Implies Holland knows someone else is staying on IR/LTIR.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Brennan Klak
    @nhlupdate
    ·
    31s
    The conditional pick going to #RedWings for Mike Green is a 4th rounder in 2020 – it becomes a 3rd rounder if the #Oilers make the conference finals and he plays 50 percent of the games.

  25. Munny says:

    Archie gets it done

  26. Ice Sage says:

    Phew

  27. geowal says:

    Survived DrGlens curse!

  28. jp says:

    Also, Go Oilers!

    Great to get this win.

    Not always pretty, but 3rd period shots 12-4 currently so pretty tough to complain.

  29. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Nice to see some McPoints on Archie’s EN goal there.

  30. tcho says:

    Never in doubt.

  31. Munny says:

    And ANA ties it up!

  32. Bank Shot says:

    Archibald is an empty net beast. 😛

  33. LMHF#1 says:

    Hmmm…hope Green can still fire it.

    Check out those minuses for DET this year…yikes.

  34. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Brennan Klak
    @nhlupdate
    ·
    31s
    The conditional pick going to #RedWings for Mike Green is a 4th rounder in 2020 – it becomes a 3rd rounder if the #Oilers make the conference finals and he plays 50 percent of the games.

    OK, thanks.

    So they didn’t get him for nothing.

    Seriously, Brodziak being included has me intrigued. Pointless unless someone else is eating LTIR money. Or they’re close to the 50 limit. I don’t think it’s the latter.

  35. Munny says:

    Munny:
    drglen,

    Has NEVER been right and will NEVER be right ever again in his life.

    It wasn’t the strongest of spells tonight, but just enough to stave off that utterly irresponsible hex.

  36. hunter1909 says:

    Fantastic goal by Archibald, this player is starting to really grow on me.

    Another heartbreaking night for Calgary, having gone all the way to Detroit only to end up percentage wise even further behind Edmonton by the end of the night and with Boston next lmao.

    Oilers game opponents up next: the Chickenhawks of Anaheim.

  37. russ99 says:

    50% cap retained on Green. Nice move Holland.

    Let’s get a forward tomorrow and send out Gagner to make the cap work.

  38. npanciroli says:

    I like it. 4th is cheap in this market.

  39. Darth Tu says:

    It better not be Klefbom on LTIR. I have major fear

  40. Material Elvis says:

    Green is RH. Who does he replace on the right side?

  41. jp says:

    Also, DrGlen has avoided a prominent place in Oilers history. For now.

  42. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Interesting trade. We’re seeing some upper echelon GMing again. Been a long time in good ol’ our town. Wonder what’s to follow…

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    Great acquisition cost

    The Acquisition cost is fine but there has to be something else going on:

    1) I don’t’ think we can afford this without more money out or putting Neal (or Russell) on LTIR

    2) Is Green going to the 7D until Klef and Russell come back? Maybe Benning or Larrson are moved because Green won’t play ahead of them and none of them move to 3LD I wouldn’t think.

  44. oilersfan says:

    I wonder if Benning or Larson are on the block with this trade for Green?

    He has played 21 minutes a night

    I think this is a lot more than “Benning concussion insurance”

    • geowal says:

      If you don’t like the thought of Bouchard being forced in for playoff hockey, it does make sense to get insurance for both Benning and Larsson

  45. hunter1909 says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Mike Green an Oiler per Gene P

    Fantastic news! Finally!! A name player who actually has been a star player and won the cup to show these brand new Oilers and show them how it’s done.

    Andrew Ference eat your heart out lol

  46. hunter1909 says:

    Ken Holland ffs and did anyone even say anything good about him when he was first hired lol

  47. Munny says:

    ANA blows an OT PP

  48. hunter1909 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Interesting trade.We’re seeing some upper echelon GMing again.Been a long time in good ol’ our town.Wonder what’s to follow…

    I’ll let you know as soon as I get back from Calgary Puck : p

  49. jp says:

    Oilers win.

    Jets and Wild lose.

    Flames keep pace.

    Vegas is a few minutes from an OT/SO decision.

  50. who says:

    Okay.
    Is this just a depth move, or is Holland trading Larrson or Benning in the next 24 hours?

  51. Ryan says:

    I spoke prematurely.

    No, not free.

    Vet dmen have value for the playoffs.

    Interesting depth addition.

    Curious to see what the next shoe to drop is.

  52. teddyturnbuckle says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Brennan Klak
    @nhlupdate
    ·
    31s
    The conditional pick going to #RedWings for Mike Green is a 4th rounder in 2020 – it becomes a 3rd rounder if the #Oilers make the conference finals and he plays 50 percent of the games.

    Not sure we need another right handed defence man but you never know. Maybe Benning or Larsson is on the way out for a forward. That 4 th rounder is all I was comfortable giving up lol. There has to be something coming tomorrow. Not necessarily big but Holland has to get at least one forward.

  53. Munny says:

    Theodore with the OT winner for the Pysankas

  54. tcho says:

    Damn. Vegas in OT.

  55. hunter1909 says:

    Ryan:
    I spoke prematurely.

    No, not free.

    Vet dmen have value for the playoffs.

    Interesting depth addition.

    Curious to see what the next shoe to drop is.

    What a canny acquisition by Holland; also a huge road W tonight to keep the team where they belong in the Division race

  56. Munny says:

    Just like Holly to mess with our heads with an open-ended move like this on the eve of Deadline Day

    • Ryan says:

      Not to stir in any particular religious connotations, but I’m a grown adult (hard to believe for sure), and tonight I feel like little kid on Christmas Eve.

  57. Bulging Twine says:

    Green 3 things

    1) Does anyone like him more than Holland

    2) Will he get injured by the next strong wind

    3) Is he acquired to take someone’s spot

  58. Optimism is like heroin says:

    Ok so if there is another shoe to drop may it be Larsson to Tor for Kapanen

  59. Gerta Rauss says:

    Material Elvis:
    Green is RH.Who does he replace on the right side?

    Whoever gets traded in the next 14 hours

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    DET is also retaining half of Green’s salary/cap.

    Well there is the answer to the money.

    Still don’t understand.

    We just upgraded #7D, shit #8D when Klef is back and #9D when Rusty is back.

  61. N64 says:

    tcho:
    Damn. Vegas in OT.

    Nothing wrong with:

    Vegas winning the opportunity to play Nashville.
    Oil over Dys
    Consolation team plays Central leader.

  62. LMHF#1 says:

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Bear
    Jones-Green
    Lagesson-Benning

    Solid group headed toward the playoffs where we’ve seen many times that at least 8 D are needed.

    I’d upgrade Larsson if I had my way – but doubt we see that.

    Best part is no Russell.

  63. Munny says:

    jp: Brodz is interesting too…. Implies Holland knows someone else is staying on IR/LTIR.

    I’m not so sure this is the case… wouldn’t Brodz have more value if we had others on LTIR and were at the cap limit?

    Edit: I think this was just to maximize cap space going forward.

  64. Gerta Rauss says:

    Bulging Twine: 2) Will he get injured by the next strong wind

    LoL…it’l take 4 strong winds

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3m7ckGhnsc

  65. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Have to think Bouchard is very close to being an Oiler also. Maybe he will get a few playoff games.
    Bear
    Larsson
    Benning
    Green
    Bouchard

    Awfully crowded on rightorium.

  66. Mr DeBakey says:

    teddyturnbuckle: Not sure we need another right handed defence man but you never know.

    Hmmmm
    That’s pretty funny when ya thinkabouddit

  67. jp says:

    oilersfan:
    I wonder if Benning or Larson are on the block with this trade for Green?

    He has played 21 minutes a night

    I think this is a lot more than “Benning concussion insurance”

    Larsson played 22:43 tonight (and was +2). Benning played 9:23 (least of all Oilers, including forwards).

    Larsson has more value but Tippett very clearly doesn’t see a lot in Benning…

  68. Darth Tu says:

    Hmmm. I get that the chances of the puck turning into a 3rd are low, but the fact that it’s an option maybe points to Neal being out for the rest of the regular season.

  69. teddyturnbuckle says:

    I’m ok with Benning being traded but Larsson is the type of guy we need in the playoffs.

  70. Wolfpack says:

    If Holland makes another move up front I do not think that he moves Larsson or Benning as part of a salary-out strategy. The reason I say this is because of the conditions on the Mike Green trade – why bother including the 50% of the games clause if Holland expects Green to play every game? I think that this is Holland anticipating 8 or 9 d-men being needed in the playoffs – and both Larsson and Benning have missed significant games already this year due to injury. This is insurance.

  71. Munny says:

    Man, there sure are a lot of defensemen around here…

  72. jp says:

    Munny: I’m not so sure this is the case… wouldn’t Brodz have more value if we had others on LTIR and were at the cap limit?

    Edit:I think this was just to maximize cap space going forward.

    Yeah thinking about it a little more I’m really not sure. You’re likely right, unless Holland is planning to bring in multiple new bodies (the Oilers remain at 48/50 with Green in and Brodziak out).

  73. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Coach Tippett when asked by Rishaug about return timeline for 4 or 77:

    “They’re both right on the same… Russell is, still, the timeline on him is kinda murky. He’s still skating at home but it’s a little bit murky. Klef is, he’ll be right on the timeline we expect so it’ll be good to get him back.”

  74. Munny says:

    $348k in cap space chewed up I believe.

    Any other moves are going to have to be cap neutral, with the possible exception of ENNIS!

  75. N64 says:

    Munny:
    Man, there sure are a lot of defensemen around here…

    We should have been playing Buffalo in 2006. They played 2 of their top 6 in game 7 vs Canes with McKee in the ICU.

  76. StixMalone says:

    Green only costs the Oilers $350k towards.the cap

  77. €√¥£€^$ says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    I’m ok with Benning being traded but Larsson is the type of guy we need in the playoffs.

    Larsson can’t be moved…who would replace him on the PK?

  78. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Wolfpack:
    If Holland makes another move up front I do not think that he moves Larsson or Benning as part of a salary-out strategy. The reason I say this is because of the conditions on the Mike Green trade – why bother including the 50% of the games clause if Holland expects Green to play every game? I think that this is Holland anticipating 8 or 9 d-men being needed in the playoffs – and both Larsson and Benning have missed significant games already this year due to injury. This is insurance.

    Why else would he include the GP condition? Perhaps because Green has a consistent and substantial injury history of his own.

  79. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Maybe Benning and Khaira to TO?

  80. Munny says:

    StixMalone:
    Green only costs the Oilers $350k towards.the cap

    That’s almost the entire remaining space.

  81. Bulging Twine says:

    Would you trade a 4th/3rd for a vet #7/8 Dman? (as in – and not play him) Maybe you’d trade a 5th or 6th for that player.

    Perhaps but given how much Holland seems to like Green, I think the thinking is – he’s taking someone’s top 6 spot.

  82. jp says:

    Darth Tu:
    Hmmm. I get that the chances of the puck turning into a 3rd are low, but the fact that it’s an option maybe points to Neal being out for the rest of the regular season.

    The condition must be the 2021 3rd. Even if the Oilers ‘knew’ Neal was destined for LTIR I don’t expect they’d be allowed to include the 2020 pick in a trade until Neal trade conditions were official (ie – the end of the season)

    Edit: Oilers site mentions the trade and says “conditional pick in 2020 or 2021”

  83. duct tape and foil says:

    Me thinks a RHD is out the door tomorrow. Probably Benning. Can’t see us weakening the defense by trading Larsson for a winger.

  84. Wolfpack says:

    jp: The condition must be the 2021 3rd. Even if the Oilers ‘knew’ Neal was destined for LTIR I don’t expect they’d be allowed to include the 2020 pick in a trade until Neal trade conditions were official (ie – the end of the season)

    That is correct.

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Coach T intimating that Russell’s return date is murky – maybe he will be on LTIR for the remainder of the regular season??

  86. defmn says:

    jp: The condition must be the 2021 3rd. Even if the Oilers ‘knew’ Neal was destined for LTIR I don’t expect they’d be allowed to include the 2020 pick in a trade until Neal trade conditions were official (ie – the end of the season)

    Capfriendy has it as the 2021 3rd.

  87. Bulging Twine says:

    geowal:
    I’d say he’s taking Lagesson’s spot especially when Klefbom Or Russell return.

    Short term Lagesson yes, I was thinking more playoffs

  88. Munny says:

    Munny: That’s almost the entire remaining space.

    Somewhere around $300k remaining it appears according to CF. Seems like it should be a little less.

  89. Victoria Oil says:

    who:
    Okay.
    Is this just a depth move, or is Holland trading Larrson or Benning in the next 24 hours?

    I was wondering the same thing. Otherwise, I’m not sure if we need him, other than to add depth.

    That said, the acquisition cost is less than what we paid for Petrovic and Manning.

  90. Bank Shot says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Would you trade a 4th/3rd for a vet #7/8 Dman?(as in – and not play him) Maybe you’d trade a 5th or 6th for that player.

    Perhaps but given how much Holland seems to like Green, I think the thinking is – he’s taking someone’s top 6 spot.

    He’s taking Benning’s spot.

    Benning has only seen more than 12 minutes of icetime once in the last 8 games.

    Tippet clearly doesn’t trust him.

  91. Munny says:

    The thing is… if ENNIS! is the target, there was no need to trade Brodz.

  92. Munny says:

    Bank Shot: Tippet clearly doesn’t trust him.

    He clearly doesn’t trust his partner. Benning was getting more time when KRusty was healthy.

  93. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Munny:
    The thing is… if ENNIS! is he target, there was no need to trade Brodz.

    50-man contract spots.

    Sure they’re at 48, but if he has another deal set up to add a forward and he still wants space to pursue a college UFA, then he’ll still have it.

  94. jp says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    OriginalPouzar:
    Coach T intimating that Russell’s return date is murky – maybe he will be on LTIR for the remainder of the regular season??

    This is way less sexy than “Oilers D for top 6 forward”, but could well explain things too.

    I still wonder though – if Russell returning is really a concern (seems like it is) then Jones should be the obvious swingman/7D.

    I know that none of Bear/Larsson/Benning have recent experience playing left side. I don’t know about Green. But Tippett seems to care a lot about this stuff, so adding another experienced RD wouldn’t seem to add up unless he plays LD with regularity.

  95. Seismic Source says:

    I don’t think anyone’s out. I think this trade is because defensemen are and get injured. Russel on LTIR probably.

  96. Laser_Dave says:

    jp,

    Does it have more to do with his partners in that time and return from injury?

  97. Bank Shot says:

    Munny: He clearly doesn’t trust his partner. Benning was getting more time when KRusty was healthy.

    Benning has averaged less even strength ice per game this season than all ten guys who have played with the exceptions of Manning and Lagesson.

    Tippet would rather play rookie D-man Jones on his offside then Benning.

    I think the writing is on the wall there.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: The condition must be the 2021 3rd. Even if the Oilers ‘knew’ Neal was destined for LTIR I don’t expect they’d be allowed to include the 2020 pick in a trade until Neal trade conditions were official (ie – the end of the season)

    Edit: Oilers site mentions the trade and says “conditional pick in 2020 or 2021”

    Its a 2020 4th but switches to a 2021 3rd if the condition vests.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine: Short term Lagesson yes, I was thinking more playoffs

    He could take Lagesson’s spot as 7D when Klef returns but I doubt we’ll see the right handed Green playing left side D over Lagesson.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    The thing is… if ENNIS! is the target, there was no need to trade Brodz.

    50 contract limit – if Brodz didn’t go, we’d be at 49 right now.

    • Munny says:

      OBVIOUSLY 50 contract limit. That’s my exact point, we wouldn’t be at 50 even adding Green. Implies there could be more than one shoe to drop.

  101. Pescador says:

    Bank Shot: Benning has averaged less even strength ice per game this season than all ten guys who have played with the exceptions of Manning and Lagesson.

    Tippet would rather play rookie D-man Jones on his offside then Benning.

    I think the writing is on the wall there.

    Nope, no writing no wall.
    You have no idea about what Tippett is thinking.
    Benning stays.
    Kris Russell goes,
    Fin

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

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    @PuckPedia
    Replying to
    @WheatNOil
    Tomorrow Ennis is $176K remaining so they can add him without doing anything else and be just under $81.5M, but then most of bonuses earned will carry over

  103. jp says:

    Munny: He clearly doesn’t trust his partner. Benning was getting more time when KRusty was healthy.

    Benning played less than Lagesson tonight. He’s behind Persson and Jones in TOI/game on the year.

    He’s also gotten (essentially) zero looks in the top 4. Tippett played the rookies Bear and Persson ahead of him to start the year. Russell and Jones got moved up ahead of him.

    Tippett doesn’t trust him. At all. It will be interesting to see how he does in a new city (I really think it’s coming, whether tomorrow or in the summer).

    Edit: What Bank Shot said.

  104. Munny says:

    Bank Shot,

    Oh, I’m not doubting that Benning is a trade possibility. I think he is. I’m just saying the coach has showed more trust in Benning in the past than he has over the recent stretch.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    No surprise but Green will play the right side when he plays:

    Jason Gregor
    @JasonGregor
    ·
    11m
    Mike Green has played right defence for majority of his career. Oilers plan is to play him there.

  106. Munny says:

    Pescador: Kris Russell goes,
    Fin

    With the concussion, I believe there is very little chance KRusty is moved. An acquiring team would have to take the chance that he’s not available this year or maybe even next.

  107. Gerta Rauss says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    PuckPedia
    @PuckPedia
    Replying to
    @WheatNOil
    Tomorrow Ennis is $176K remaining so they can add him without doing anything else and be just under $81.5M, but then most of bonuses earned will carry over

    there you go…so they can add Ennis without having to make another move- this is what will probably happen given Kenny’s history.

    It’s fun to speculate though

  108. defmn says:

    jp: Benning played less than Lagesson tonight. He’s behind Persson and Jones in TOI/game on the year.

    He’s also gotten (essentially) zero looks in the top 4. Tippett played the rookies Bear and Persson ahead of him to start the year. Russell got moved up ahead of him.

    Tippett doesn’t trust him. At all. It will be interesting to see how he does in a new city (I really think it’s coming, whether tomorrow or in the summer).

    No doubt in my mind that Benning is gone either tomorrow or in the summer. Lowetide estimated $2.2 mil to sign him this summer. That is way too much for a #6 or 7 which is what he would be.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    This is way less sexy than “Oilers D for top 6 forward”, but could well explain things too.

    I still wonder though – if Russell returning is really a concern (seems like it is) then Jones should be the obvious swingman/7D.

    I know that none of Bear/Larsson/Benning have recent experience playing left side. I don’t know about Green. But Tippett seems to care a lot about this stuff, so adding another experienced RD wouldn’t seem to add up unless he plays LD with regularity.

    Klef/Larsson
    Nurse/Bear
    Jones/Benning

    Lagesson/Green

  110. jp says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: 50-man contract spots.
    Sure they’re at 48, but if he has another deal set up to add a forward and he still wants space to pursue a college UFA, then he’ll still have it.

    Hadn’t thought of college FAs. Good point.

    I still think a D is gone tomorrow.

  111. Bulging Twine says:

    LHD

    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Jones
    Lagesson

    Russell murky probably means they aren’t going to count on him

    RHD

    Bear
    Larsson
    Green
    Benning
    (Persson)

    Maybe they do want to keep 8 D for playoffs and thus won’t be trading Benning

  112. Bank Shot says:

    Pescador: Nope, no writing no wall.
    You have no idea about what Tippett is thinking.
    Benning stays.
    Kris Russell goes,
    Fin

    I have some evidence of what Tippet is thinking because the evidence is in black and white on nhl.com.

    Benning gets less ice time than all the other regular defenders for Edmonton this year.

    That’s a big tell. Coaches play the players they like more.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Benning played less than Lagesson tonight. He’s behind Persson and Jones in TOI/game on the year.

    He’s also gotten (essentially) zero looks in the top 4. Tippett played the rookies Bear and Persson ahead of him to start the year. Russell and Jones got moved up ahead of him.

    Tippett doesn’t trust him. At all. It will be interesting to see how he does in a new city (I really think it’s coming, whether tomorrow or in the summer).

    Edit: What Bank Shot said.

    That’s because of the PK – Benning played more than Lagesson at 5 on5.

  114. jp says:

    defmn: No doubt in my mind that Benning is gone either tomorrow or in the summer. Lowetide estimated $2.2 mil to sign him this summer. That is way too much for a #6 or 7 which is what he would be.

    I don’t even think it’s the right call, but I do think he’s moved before next season.

  115. defmn says:

    jp: I don’t even think it’s the right call, but I do think he’s moved before next season.

    I guess it depends on where they think Bouchard is at. If they think he is ready or close to ready Benning is a guy they probably look to trade for a winger.

  116. Bling says:

    We will need to see what comes next.

    Green isn’t as good as Larsson, that’s for sure. Is he better than Benning in a third pairing role? Personally, I don’t think so.

    All Benning seems to do is put up results.

  117. Munny says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: 50-man contract spots.

    Sure they’re at 48, but if he has another deal set up to add a forward and he still wants space to pursue a college UFA, then he’ll still have it.

    Agreed with JP, good point, but I’m not convinced it is the reason.

  118. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Klef/Larsson
    Nurse/Bear
    Jones/Benning

    Lagesson/Green

    OriginalPouzar: That’s because of the PK – Benning played more than Lagesson at 5 on5.

    I’ve been a Benning proponent. I’d still like to see him get a real shot in a top 4 somewhere. But the TOI is not because of the PK (sure tonight, but Tippett hasn’t given him a sniff above 3rd pair all year).

    If Tippett/Holland don’t think he can play above the 3rd (they do not, as far as I can tell) then they’re going to move him.

    We’ll see, but actions speak loudly, and they’ve said a lot about Benning from the start of training camp though today. Hopefully he brings a half decent return.

  119. RonnieB says:

    Darth Tu:
    Pick. But I will leave the autocorrect as puck for comedy reasons.

    The conditional is a 2021 3rd.

  120. Munny says:

    Bulging Twine: That’s the question imo:

    Is Green an upgrade on Benning?

    I think Holland is pretty happy with adding 76 playoff games to the roster and powerplay depth.

    We can withstand a KBomb playoff injury a little better now.

  121. flea says:

    I think the Green move is primarily to provide cover for the Klefbom injury in the stretch drive. They want Green for the PP.

    630 Chec Overtime open line also speculating Benning is also not 100%.

    Tonight they had Lagesson, Jones and Benning as 3/6. Green provides veteran cover.

    Cheap cost for a potential impact player. I like it – what’s next?

  122. Munny says:

    jp:
    I’ve been a Benning proponent. I’d still like to see him get a real shot in a top 4 somewhere. But the TOI is not because of the PK (sure tonight, but Tippett hasn’t given him a sniff above 3rd pair all year).

    If Tippett/Holland don’t think he can play above the 3rd (they do not, as far as I can tell) then they’re going to move him.

    We’ll see, but actions speak loudly, and they’ve said a lot about Benning from the start of training camp though today. Hopefully he brings a half decent return.

    Pretty sure Fries and Gravy related a comment from one of his scouting acquaintances the other day that the Oiler Org is believes that Benning cannot play up the line up. Which IIRC also jives with what the fancies have told us in the past.

  123. Bling says:

    Bulging Twine: While I get this from a depth perspective, if the plan is to keep Benning as #4 RHD, then the big question is:

    Is Green an upgrade on Benning?

    Green doesn’t skate well enough any more. Forget top 4, you are taking a risk putting a player like that in your bottom pairing. That’s why I slot Benning in front of him.

    He is good injury insurance, though, and now Tippett doesn’t have to entertain Jones/Russell on the right side. If Klefbom is out longer term, you have a PP quarterback option as well.

  124. Bulging Twine says:

    Green is an AB boy

    Ennis is as well

  125. RonnieB says:

    Bulging Twine: That’s the question imo:

    Is Green an upgrade on Benning?

    Bulging Twine: That’s the question imo:
    Is Green an upgrade on Benning?

    Does this trade free up Benning to Ottawa for Duclair as a LW for Connor ?

  126. Rebillled says:

    Very doubtful they get rid of The Polisher.

  127. jp says:

    defmn: I guess it depends on where they think Bouchardis at. If they think he is ready or close to ready Benning is a guy they probably look to trade for a winger.

    Well it depends on a lot of things. If Russell is expected back (seems like a real IF at this point, though far from sure either way) then Russell/Jones as 3rd pair/7D swingmen seems absolutely ideal. With one of Benning or Green at 3RD.

    If they think Russell won’t be ready then Bouchard is a more important part of the conversation. Persson is in Bakersfield too, so IF Russell gets healthy they legit have 10D (adding Russell/Persson to the 8 you listed)

    D aside the Oilers don’t really have depth anywhere. If there’s a trade for Benning (or Larsson) that brings back a top 6 winger I suspect Holland bites the bullet and does it.

    That kind of D depth is great, but it’s not worth a damn if McDavid doesn’t have a winger to play with.

    I don’t think Bouchard is key here, though for sure if they do think he’s “ready” then moving others will be easier.

  128. RonnieB says:

    In more important news…

    Teck has withdrawn its application for Frontier plant.

  129. Andy Dufresne says:

    Edmonton Oilers linked to Tyler Ennis, plus Nick Cousins of the Montreal Canadiens
    @Bob_Stauffer

  130. Munny says:

    Wasn’t the 4th they traded the alleged offer for Ennis?

  131. Bulging Twine says:

    Matheson: You have Mike Green and Benning they both shoot Right

    Tippett: Yeah, we’ll see how the mix comes out

    Matheson: I don’t know if Mike’s ever played left

    Tippett: Yeah, we’ll see how the mix comes out. We have depth now.

  132. Munny says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Edmonton Oilers linked to Tyler Ennis, plus Nick Cousins of the Montreal Canadiens
    @Bob_Stauffer

    Cousins would be a sandpaper add. Haven’t looked at his fancies or FOs yet

  133. Munny says:

    Cousins is awful in the dot and while he has taken only 37 FOs this year he did take 500+ last season. Also he doesn’t appear to PK.

  134. jp says:

    Munny: Pretty sure Fries and Gravy related a comment from one of his scouting acquaintances the other day that the Oiler Org is believes that Benning cannot play up the line up.Which IIRC also jives with what the fancies have told us in the past.

    I missed the comment but it makes sense (feel like I’ve heard someone relay similar before, but not sure).

    The fancies have NOT however told us that Benning isn’t a good top 4 option. Quite the opposite. It’s basically the only reason anyone thinks he might be able to play top 4 (since he consistently fails the eye test, Tippett’s included).

    But yeah, Benning has had very good results (goals for/against as well as all the underlying metrics) in a pretty large sample size playing with top 4 partners. It’s an interesting case study of eye vs stats I think.

  135. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Munny,

    Armchair has posted some compelling data a few times that shows the opposite.

    That said, by eye he seems to plateau when asked to play top-4.

  136. Munny says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Edmonton Oilers linked to Tyler Ennis, plus Nick Cousins of the Montreal Canadiens
    @Bob_Stauffer

    I’m not seeing this on Bob’s Twitter page.

  137. jp says:

    Munny:
    I think it would take more than that. Like a 2021 3rd. Could be wrong though

    I agree, a 4th for Ennis (whatever year) sounds low.

    Sure he hasn’t posted points for a few years before this one, but he’s >0.5 PPG this year and one of not that many options available.

    I can’t imagine anyone would complain adding a winger who’s 61-14-19-33 for a 2021 3rd. I feel like a 3rd likely wouldn’t even get it done considering there’s probably competition for him.

  138. Munny says:

    jp: I missed the comment but it makes sense (feel like I’ve heard someone relay similar before, but not sure).

    The fancies have NOT however told us that Benning isn’t a good top 4 option. Quite the opposite. It’s basically the only reason anyone thinks he might be able to play top 4 (since he consistently fails the eye test, Tippett’s included).

    But yeah, Benning has had very good results (goals for/against as well as all the underlying metrics) in a pretty large sample size playing with top 4 partners. It’s an interesting case study of eye vs stats I think.

    Dammit, see now I gotta go look it up, lol…

    Last three years against elites CF% 41.3, 48, 46.5. So the puck is in his end of the ice more often.

    He always seems to pull great GF% out of his ass though… Coaching might see this as an anomaly and explain why there is a disconnect between the eyetest and stats… The results are there but the process isn’t. IF so, with more minutes allocated up the roster, we would see regression to the meat.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      My money is on OTF shifts.

      • Munny says:

        You’d think some of that would show up in the Corsi stats. I mean unless they’re not just OTF shifts but actual odd-man breaks he’s regularly coming over the boards on.

  139. Munny says:

    AAV of 1.4M is the remaining space, barring no other salary dumps. Per Puckpedia.

  140. jp says:

    Munny: Dammit, see now I gotta go look it up.

    Last three years against elites CF%41.3, 48, 46.5.So the puck is in his end of the ice more often.

    He always seems to pull great GF% out of his ass though… Coaching might see this as an anomaly and explain why there is a disconnect between the eyetest and stats…The results are there but the process isn’t.IF so, with more minutes allocated up the roster, we would see regression to the meat.

    Huh.

    So I think isolating TOI vs elites is a bit tough because it’s such a small sample size. And if you ARE going to look at just TOI vs elites then you should at least look at DFF% rather than CF% (since it accounts for the quality of chances that happened on ice).

    If you look at Benning’s DFF% vs elites (instead of CF) you get 45.9, 50.2, 51.7 and 51.2. You need to also take into account that minutes vs elites are the most difficult, so you don’t necessarily expect non-elite players to even break even. Among Oilers D Benning’s DFF numbers were 4th, 1st, 2nd, 1st. That doesn’t look like a 3rd pairing D does it? (and also looks a lot less like he’s pulling good GF% numbers out of his ass)

    DFF vs elites aside, the stuff Armchair (and I) have posted in the past shows that by any metric (corsi, shots, goals) Benning has been better than most other Oilers D when played in the top 4 (mostly when guys like Sekera, Larsson or Russell have been injured).

    The fancy stats argument (including goals, which aren’t so fancy) that Benning has been successful in top 4 minutes is very strong. Whether that holds when/if he’s given a consistent opportunity there remains to be seen.

    • Munny says:

      For possession (knowing where the puck is) Corsi is superior IMO. Since I look at and include GF% too, I consider DFF to be redundant.

      I look at Elites because when playing in the top 4, they’re unavoidable and the most likely source of demise. And part of the reason we see success with any bottom pairing defenseman is because of how their coach manages their minutes (or t least, I’m claiming that’s truism lol).

      But you’re right, I haven’t looked at the WOWYs. It’s late so not going to worry about it tonight.

  141. Munny says:

    I think we can assume from the Green trade that Athanasiou is out (which is good), but so is Glendening (a useful option).

    #donewithdetroit

  142. jp says:

    Munny:
    For possession (knowing where the puck is) Corsi is far superior IMO.Since I look at and include GF% too, I consider DFF to be redundant.

    I look at Elites because playing in the top 4, they’re unavoidable and the most likely source of demise.And part of the reason we see success with any bottom pairing defenseman is because of how their coach manages their minutes (or t least, I’m claiming that’struism lol).

    Fair enough. But if you’re saying Benning pulled a good GF% out of his ass maybe you’re not giving the non-CF% part it’s due. DFF% helps bridge that gap.

    Playing against elites is unavoidable for every NHLer. All of them play against elites 20-40% of the time. No question they’re the toughest minutes and where we can learn about players, but IMO one of the biggest issues with any sports data (“real” or fancy) is sample size. It’s on the PuckIQ homepage even!

    The “vs elites” sample may be more valuable in theory but it’s also closer to being in the noise than DFF% in all situations (where you still have to account for time spent vs elites to interpret fairly).

  143. Bulging Twine says:

    Holland: You can never have enough Defensemen

    Sounds like it is a depth move then

  144. v4ance says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Holland:You can never have enough Defensemen

    Sounds like it is a depth move then

    The Leftorium says “HI”

    Hey! LLama forgot to include …

    Lleftorium: The Edmonton Oilers defensive depth chart circa 2016-2019. I mean, who really needs Right handed defencemen anyways? Not perma-rebuild teams like the Oilers. Pffft!

  145. who says:

    Bling: Green doesn’t skate well enough any more. Forget top 4, you are taking a risk putting a player like that in your bottom pairing. That’s why I slot Benning in front of him.

    He is good injury insurance, though, and now Tippett doesn’t have to entertain Jones/Russell on the right side. If Klefbom is out longer term, you have a PP quarterback option as well.

    Don’t know how Green skates anymore, but I doubt he skates worse than Benning.
    Maybe there’s an analytics driven team out there that is willing to give up a quality forward for Benning?
    Seems like a strange trade by itself.

    • N64 says:

      SwedishPoster: Thing with Benning is that he makes sense both for a playoff team looking for depth or a rebuilding team looking for rookie shelter

      In this case the playoff team should be Edmonton and then a trade after the playoffs

  146. SwedishPoster says:

    At first trading for Green felt a bit weird considering where the team has its biggest holes but at that low price and after second thought it opens up some interesting scenarios. The obvious answer to why is depth, having some vet cover on D is always a prority for GMs come playoffs. With Russell’s health being iffy, setbacks post-concussions are never a good sign, no point in speculating further as it could just be precautious but I don’t think its guaranteed he returns at all. So the move could be purely for coverage. It’s probably the most likely scenario.

    But it also opens up for some interesting secondary moves. I don’t think they move Larsson, risky to move out a 20+ tough minutes D who is a prime PKer, has been the most common partner to your top D, is somewhat playoff experienced, part of the leadership group, when heading towards playoffs. Larsson is a player type teams usually adds for a playoff push. Inconsistent results or not. And he’s been looking much better after the all star break apart from two real crappy games. So I can’t see it happening unless some team vastly overpays.
    Benning would make more sense, as been discussed above Tippett is using him in a pretty sheltered role, going forward something has to give on D with guys pushing from the farm. The D puzzle is again more likely a summer task but if there’s a good fit you might as well make a move right now.

    Thing with Benning is that he makes sense both for a playoff team looking for depth or a rebuilding team looking for rookie shelter. I’m in the group who thinks Benning is fine in the bottom pairing but not beyond. He’s positionally sound, plays a safe game, can make the basic pass, handles the puck ok but gets in trouble when the pace goes up, plays physical and always with heart. He doesn’t skate very well, isn’t dynamic at all and when checked hard has issues moving the puck. Overall he struggles with higher pace but doesn’t hurt you (or is a net plus) in a minor role. His numerical results in that role are as been mentioned consistently strong.

    For a team like the Oilers which has more ”advanced” players coming/already here he’s a good depth guy but not a great fit as the team evolves and there are holes up front. But for a playoff team in need of defensive shelter he has enough NHL experience to be an option. And he’s both gritty enough to attract the old schoolers and his numbers solid enough to get the thumbs up from the analytics team to get more than one team interested. He’s also an RFA this summer so they can just walk away if he’s not a longterm fit.
    And for a rebuilding team his strong positioning and simple game is a reasonable spot to break in rookies before moving up the lineup. He’s also vetty enough that you can count him as a solid NHLer while being young enough to grow with the team.

    All that just to point out that I think there’s a pretty good market for him. Maybe Toronto is desperate enough to make a pitch, they need higher quality D, I assume they are gunning hard for Petry, but failing that they might be desperate enough to do something stupid. And they need additions throughout that D group.
    Or you could package him with Pulju and see what Ottawa or Montreal would be willing to give up.

    I also think, despite not being his biggest fan, Lagesson covers that 6/7/8 D positionally sound, solid in a limited role but not much upside slot fairly well going forward. At less than half the cost or so.

    We’ll see what happens. Probably nothing but this could end up a far more intriguing deadline than I first thought.

  147. who says:

    SwedishPoster:
    At first trading for Green felt a bit weird considering where the team has its biggest holes but at that low price and after second thought it opens up some interesting scenarios. The obvious answer to why is depth, having some vet cover on D is always a prority for GMs come playoffs. With Russell’s health being iffy, setbacks post-concussions are never a good sign, no point in speculating further as it could just be precautious but I don’t think its guaranteed he returns at all. So the move could be purely for coverage. It’s probably the most likely scenario.

    But it also opens up for some interesting secondary moves. I don’t think they move Larsson, risky to move out a 20+ tough minutes D who is a prime PKer, has been the most common partner to your top D, is somewhat playoff experienced, part of the leadership group, when heading towards playoffs. Larsson is a player type teams usually adds for a playoff push. Inconsistent results or not. And he’s been looking much better after the all star break apart from two real crappy games. So I can’t see it happening unless some team vastly overpays.
    Benning would make more sense, as been discussed above Tippett is using him in a pretty sheltered role, going forward something has to give on D with guys pushing from the farm. The D puzzle is again more likely a summer task but if there’s a good fit you might as well make a move right now.

    Thing with Benning is that he makes sense both for a playoff team looking for depth or a rebuilding team looking for rookie shelter. I’m in the group who thinks Benning is fine in the bottom pairing but not beyond. He’s positionally sound, plays a safe game, can make the basic pass, handles the puck ok but gets in trouble when the pace goes up, plays physical and always with heart. He doesn’t skate very well, isn’t dynamic at all and when checked hard has issues moving the puck. Overall he struggles with higher pace but doesn’t hurt you (or is a net plus) in a minor role. His numerical results in that role are as been mentioned consistently strong.

    For a team like the Oilers which has more ”advanced” players coming/already here he’s a good depth guy but not a great fit as the team evolves and there are holes up front. But for a playoff team in need of defensive shelter he has enough NHL experience to be an option. And he’s both gritty enough to attract the old schoolers and his numbers solid enough to get the thumbs up from the analytics team to get more than one team interested. He’s also an RFA this summer so they can just walk away if he’s not a longterm fit.And for a rebuilding team his strong positioning and simple game is a reasonable spot to break in rookies before moving up the lineup. He’s also vetty enough that you can count him as a solid NHLer while being young enough to grow with the team.

    All that just to point out that I think there’s a pretty good market for him. Maybe Toronto is desperate enough to make a pitch, they need higher quality D, I assume they are gunning hard for Petry, but failing that they might be desperate enough to do something stupid. And they need additions throughout that D group.
    Or you could package him with Pulju and see what Ottawa or Montreal would be willing to give up.

    I also think, despite not being his biggest fan, Lagesson covers that 6/7/8 D positionally sound, solid in a limited role but not much upside slot fairly well going forward. At less than half the cost or so.

    We’ll see what happens. Probably nothing but this could end up a far more intriguing deadline than I first thought.

    Thanks for posting this.
    I agree completely and am glad I didn’t have to write all of that.

  148. drglen says:

    Green, means they are worried about Klefbom’s durability, and, K russel’s health is worse than we thought. This is a great move because it costs us basically nothing in terms of roster. Green gives us 2-3 good years? Time for Bouchard and others to move up.

    I think this allows you to move Matt Benning for good value to a rebuilding team. Matt’s a really good D man, but we have enough horses to cover his role. We may get Pageau yet.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    I’ve been a Benning proponent. I’d still like to see him get a real shot in a top 4 somewhere. But the TOI is not because of the PK (sure tonight, but Tippett hasn’t given him a sniff above 3rd pair all year).

    If Tippett/Holland don’t think he can play above the 3rd (they do not, as far as I can tell) then they’re going to move him.

    We’ll see, but actions speak loudly, and they’ve said a lot about Benning from the start of training camp though today. Hopefully he brings a half decent return.

    I agree that the current coaching staff has indeed refused to give him any at bats above 3rd pairing this year – they see him as a 3RD, clearly.

    I was just speaking to last night and the note that Lagesson played more. Willie did play more but that was because he kills penalties – at 5 on 5, Benning played more.

    At the same time, it does say something that they 6 game rookie kills penalties over Benning.

    Recent Benning usage could also be a function of “load management” and they don’t want to overly tax him as his most recent concussion is still somewhat fresh.

    • jp says:

      Yes for sure, last night Lagesson got 30 seconds more TOI due to being on the PK.

      It remains pretty clear overall that Benning isn’t being put into higher leverage positions by Tippett, even when an opening arises.

      And there are younger, higher ceiling players coming behind Benning. If Tippett doesn’t trust him over the rookies now it’s really pointless to hold onto him (beyond depth for this playoff run I guess). The writing is on the wall IMO.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    Boil-in-the-Oil:
    It would be a 2021 3rd.

    Both the 2020 and 2021 third have now been conditionally traded and are not available to be traded in a move today.

  151. SwedishPoster says:

    And as for Green. Haven’t seen him much lately so don’t know how much of a step he’s lost but as far as numbers and performance goes I wouldn’t pay too much attention to what a 30+, offensively tilted D on a historically bad team does. Should be far more invested in a playoff hunt. We’ll see how much better he is when his give a shit/60 goes up, maybe he’s just hit the wall of age, but at that price it’s not wrong to bet for it to be a substantial difference.

  152. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    But the junkies swear by BPA. So the junkies were wrong about Pulijarjrvi and Bennet while the Ladies Auxiliary was hitting it out of the park with Dubois and Draisaitl.

    The junkies also loved Reider and Fayne and Jultz.

    Nobody’s right all the time and the problem with killing all the sacred cows obviously is you run the risk of becoming one yourself.

    I understand the bitterness now. It must be hugely frustrating being right all the time while those in charge forgo your wishes and remonstrations.

    Not sure how BPA is canon while MacKenzie’s a hack, but then again this is just a game to me while you’re taking it very seriously indeed. Check out the song Monkey Man by the Stones. You’ll like it. All his friends are junkies too.

    The “Is BPA the best way” argument is a different argument that the one we were having.

    The argument that we’re having (and it seems you’ve conceded) was that my experience of the trade was not revisionist history, but actually happened in real time.

    You’re right that my junkie group are not the burning bush, but they’re right much more than wrong.

    Not sure where you get Jultz and Reider as Junkie picks though.

    Everyone was excited about Jultz and thought he was played too high on the roster when he was here. His success in PIT down the roster speaks to this.

    I was not pro-Reider in the summer of 2018. I’ll dig up some posts later when I have time.

    Fayne had mixed results but I’ll agree that it wasn’t good. Have learned lots since then.

    Also,

    MacKenzie’s list is an amalgamation of scout’s picks so its a great proxy for “what the NHL teams think”

    I also think that most Hockey MSM isn’t good and defers to teams and managment too often, probably to maintain relationships so I get it, but its doesn’t make it good.

    Its possible to hold both of these opinions at once and be correct on both.

    I don’t know why you’ve moved the goalposts to me calling MacKenzie a hack. Its a strange jump from A to B on that one. Might even be a jump from A to C as you skipped an entire step.

    MacKenzie rarely evaluates teams or trades and declare winners/losers, that’s not his gig.

    Also,

    If you are going to respond to continue the argument can you keep it in this thread?

    I really don’t want to muck up the Trade Deadline Day thread with this and keeping it here shows respect to LT and the other posters.

    Had a good argument with Who a few weeks back that we kept in the original thread and its the right thing to do.

  153. meanashell11 says:

    Munny,

    Thanks!

  154. Bulging Twine says:

    OriginalPouzar: Both the 2020 and 2021 third have now been conditionally traded and are not available to be traded in a move today.

    As well as the 4th this year which limits their tradable assets

  155. russ99 says:

    IMO, the Oilers move Persson’s RFA rights for a pick at the draft or maybe today.

    He’s been passed by 3 rookies plus Bear, and Samorukov is knocking on the door.

  156. Ben says:

    Since the Ennis offer was supposedly this year’s 4th, curious to see what Holland’s pitching for him now. Maybe something like a 5th this year, 4th next? A Kemp-ish prospect?

  157. jp says:

    Random Oilers trade deadline prediction:

    Chris Kreider is an Oiler by 3pm Eastern time.

  158. Bulging Twine says:

    So many buyers
    So few sellers

  159. Bulging Twine says:

    Namestikov for a 4th

    Ennis would probably be similar

  160. Bulging Twine says:

    Pageau to NYI

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a massive return for Pageau – thanks goodness Holland isn’t willing to play in that market this year.

    • tileguy says:

      2020 first rounder top 3 protected would move to 2021
      No conditions on second rounder
      Third rounder only if Isles win Stanley cup this year
      So basically traded for a first and second

  162. nelson88 says:

    Hoping for Marleau at a cheap price. Not a sexy addition but we shouldn’t be trading important pieces and valuable draft picks. Patty would look quite good on 97’s wing!

  163. leadfarmer says:

    I’m very glad we didnt pay that for Pageau and then follow it up with a 5-6 mil contract that he will probably want

  164. Bulging Twine says:

    Mike Green is 29th in the league for Defenceman for outlet pass completions with 9.65 per game

  165. Bulging Twine says:

    Trochek’s gone

    CAR

  166. jp says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Mike Green is 29th in the league for Defenceman for outlet pass completions with 9.65 per game

    He puts up points too, until this season.

    Last season he scored 1.36 P/60 5v5. That would have been 4th among all Oilers last season >750 minutes (behind only McDavid, Draisaitl and Nuge). He was 13th in P/60 among D in the NHL.

    In the 3 seasons before this one he scored 1.08 P/60. 16th among NHL D >2500 minutes.

    I’m really curious to see what he has left.

    • Bulging Twine says:

      Me as well.

      I’ve always considered him soft defensively

      Let’s see what he’s got

      • jp says:

        Yeah. It’s definitely possible what’s left is “not much” but there’s upside potential here. And the cost was also “not much”.

  167. Bulging Twine says:

    “Every year I think this is the one where Green falls off, but credit to him, he just keeps on being a very good player. On the car crash of a team that is the Red Wings, Green is one the only players who is treading close to even in inner slot shots and slot pass differentials. He completes carry outs at an obscene rate, and is the only player on the list above who is significantly above average in all styles of controlled exits.

    Green is also surprisingly good at defending his own blue line, by far the best on the Red Wings, and he recovers loose pucks at a higher rate than any other defenceman available.

    The decline for Green as he’s entered his mid-30s has come pretty much exclusively in his offence, where he’s now below league average at even strength, but he’s always been better in other areas of the game than many wanted to give him credit for.

    If you’re looking for the offensive dynamo Green once was, look elsewhere, but he is still a very strong top-four option.”

    – Andrew Berkshire Sportsnet

  168. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Trochek’s gone

    CAR

    Huge. I love me some Trocheck and Carolina has a tendency to add my favourites. If they can add Lehner and some D help with one of their 1sts+, they’re going to be a scary matchup in the playoffs.

  169. Bulging Twine says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: Huge. I love me some Trocheck and Carolina has a tendency to add my favourites. If they can add Lehner and some D help with one of their 1sts+, they’re going to be a scary matchup in the playoffs.

    Trochek 2.08 pts/60 5×5 while shooting 7.2% 5×5

  170. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bulging Twine:
    “Every year I think this is the one where Green falls off, but credit to him, he just keeps on being a very good player. On the car crash of a team that is the Red Wings, Green is one the only players who is treading close to even in inner slot shots and slot pass differentials. He completes carry outs at an obscene rate, and is the only player on the list above who is significantly above average in all styles of controlled exits.

    Green is also surprisingly good at defending his own blue line, by far the best on the Red Wings, and he recovers loose pucks at a higher rate than any other defenceman available.

    The decline for Green as he’s entered his mid-30s has come pretty much exclusively in his offence, where he’s now below league average at even strength, but he’s always been better in other areas of the game than many wanted to give him credit for.

    If you’re looking for the offensive dynamo Green once was, look elsewhere, but he is still a very strong top-four option.”

    – Andrew Berkshire Sportsnet

    Wow.

    Maybe he is a Larsson replacement?

  171. OriginalPouzar says:

    If FLA is “selling”, Dadanov is of interest to me.

  172. CMcD4PM says:

    Andreas Athanasiou!

  173. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Feel bad for gags, thought it was maybe his last hurrah with Oilers in the playoffs.

  174. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Great work Holland. Exciting times. Now make the playoffs lol.

  175. tcho says:

    Captain Obvious says: you’re not going to win too many games giving up 16 shots a period. Hopefully the boys can pick it up.

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