Patience

russ99:
maudite,

Also he’s a RFA so an acquiring team has to deal with his agent once they make a trade, IMO this has dropped his trade value more than anything, I suspect this story is more to reduce the hardline agent stance to facilitate a trade more than anything else.

I would think that Holland would give permission to any acquiring team to speak with Jesse’s people and get surety that he’ll sign his QO (or something similar) and come to North America.

jtblack:
OriginalPouzar,

“On the contrary, in my opinion, in the time leading up to the expansion draft, team building absolutely needs to have the expansion draft and its implications in mind.”

agreed, it has to be on the radar and is 1 factor to consider in regards to the roster …. but wasn’t Edmonton quite worried about who they were going to lose last time?

Every team loses one decent player.I believe time and energy from mgmt. can be spent on many other items, with the expansion draft lingering in the background.

If Seattle gets Kassian?so what. Gets AA , oh well. J.J… oh well … the 7-3 or 4-4 protected option gives team the ability to cover their best guys ..

Agreed on Kassian, AA, etc. (well, unless AA spikes again) – the issue is adding a player to the protected list that pushes down a more material player.

Reja:
Last year at this time I wanted a Jesse and Jones trade to Columbus for Josh Anderson and a3rd rounder. Jones could team up with his brother and Jesse could land with the Finn GM, man what a over pay that is. I wonder what it would take to get Josh or even if he’s healthy his stock sure went down but I think he would be the perfect rifleman on Mcdavid’s line. Kass, Connor and Josh that’s a dream line for me.

I think I read that Anderson is unlikely to be back for the post-season, at least for the beginning of it.

hunter1909: Injury. He started out like gangbusters in Hamilton, was a crowd favourite but got injured and the rest never got written.

I’m going to go with terrible terrible hockey player.

Lots of players start out well in the AHL and aren’t NHL players as it turns out – JFJ was one of them and, although there is no way to ever know, I would suggest he wouldn’t have been an NHL player even if he was oft-injured – god he was terrible in the NHL as an Oiler, just awful.

JimmyV1965: I the player we trade for is so good we have to expose Nuge or Yams, is that not a win for the team? We’ve actually improved the team so much we now have to expose a really good player.I really doubt we could trade for a player better than Nuge though.

Exposing the player we trade for does not necessarily mean he’s a bad player; he’s just not as good as the players we protect. He could still be a better player than anyone we acquire with the 20 OV, who might not be a viable NHL option for three or more years. If Seattle takes that player instead of Jones, for instance, haven’t we simply traded the first round pick to keep Jones? I guess we might lose if the player isn’t as good as Jones and we lose him anyway, but that’s the type of risk you make in any trade.

If the player is better than Nuge or Yams then, yes, the trade is good in isolation but now you have to factor in losing Nuge or Yams – you’ve traded the 1st round pick and Yams for that player (and Benson or AA or whoever gets saved from getting picked) – dangerous game.

If the player is exposed, in all likelihood that means it was a bad trade – Even is he’s a good player, you get him for a year and he’s gone – you’ve traded a good 1st round pick for a rental.

Sure, you could say they’ve traded the 1st round pick to keep Jones, that’s a good point I’ll concede.

N64: It’s only about the drop off from the additional exposed player to the others. And yeah that’s impossible to evaluate without knowing which of Nurse and Klef and Larsson and Nuge are under contract by then.

So from the outside hard to say if the drop off will be significant. Also the play of Jones and Lagesson will change things too. Probably best not to overthink this. The only likely thing is that exempt assets including picks should go up in trade value vs non-exempt assets.

Klefbom and Nurse will both be under contract – their current/new contracts run 3 and 2 more years, respectively.

Yes, the ultimate would be to have Nuge wait until after the expansion draft to re-sign him but, practically, I think its more realistic that he’s re-signed prior to then.

You are right, we can’t predict the protected and exposed lists with any sort of certainty – the draft is a full season away and, for all we know, Nurse is traded for example – we just don’t know.

We can make predictions based on current organizational depth and contract status and, as of right now, its looking like a Jones will be exposed or, if he pops, a few of AA, Benson, Kassian, etc.

If we add a protected player in there bumping another to exposed, that player is looking to be very material, like Yamamoto.

If the player acquired is left unprotected, well, I hope we don’t give up the 1st round pick for a player that they are willing to expose a year later.

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Correct, exempt assets should have more value which is really the point I was making – not that an exempt asset cannot be traded for non-exempt asset but it needs to be a heck of a deal.