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Victoria Oil

Some facts about the ‘Canes: during the regular season, they had an xGF% of about 56%. In the playoffs – against (theoretically) better opponents – this went up to almost 58%. They also allowed only 21 SA/60 and took 29 SF/60. Pretty impressive and well-deserving of Stanley.

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Ryan

Anyone remember when I had said the Oilers should have taken Ghostisbehere and a second round pick from Philly instead of trading a 3rd and Jones for Duncan Keith?

maudite

There are some layers of onion peel!! This may have made nurse’s contract like 2 million cheaper

TheGreatBigMac

Probably a cup winning move.

tavvey tune

So, Vegas has one cup win in 9 seasons, meaning they have failed 8 times. I can’t imagine that sits well with their owner, especially after the panicky move to sack Cassidy, which felt like something a GM on the hot seat might do. Knowing how ruthless they are, and how the owner seems to think he’s entitled to championships, it wouldn’t surprise me if McPhee and McCrimmon get fired. Stranger things have happened….

Reja

3 finals in 9 years is impressive it wouldn’t surprise me if McPhee and McCrimmon get big fat raises.

jtblack

probably the dumbest post in the last month

Ranford.85

Let’s be honest, Fib/HH wins that title 10 out of 10 times

Lenny

MacT talking about Dellow and analytics on Stauffer’s show. Says Kevin Lowe was very into the analytics and brought MacT on board with it. He said he is very happy for Dellow and he was doing great work here, especially with the draft.

this is interesting to me as it was billed as a Eakins hire primarily if I recall correctly. Im guessing they would have Dellow if Chiarelli wasnt brought in.

bcoil

The question I have been pondering besides what the agents and the other players on this team think about a Babcock hire which I mentioned a few days ago is this.

This team has been thru 5 coaches since Connor and Leon joined the oilers. Some have been players coaches and some have been more old school ..Now the team leadership ( Connor and Leon) are asking for a tough coach to, I guess be hard ass with everyone ,supposedly to get more out of everyone ..Including you Connor and Leon? Being the leaders of the team and earning 12/14 million a year is not enough to get you guys going ? Isn’t it the team leadership that is supposed to be leading on AND off the ice ? That is your job isn’t it? .But now you want a. coach fired and another hard ass coach hired to do what is supposed to be what team leaders on most successful teams do ..Boy I think you two need to take Kevin Lowe and Messier to lunch and ask them what they think about your game plan.

Here is a secret ballot question I would love to have all the players on the team answer.. “Do you think this team needs a new old school in your face coach or do you think the team leadership ( players ) needs to take more responsibility of motivating the team and individual players both on the Bench and in the dressing room” . I remember a story about Messier having a “chat ” with Nielsen in the shower room when he thought Nielsen was not pulling his weight .

If it is not in your DNA to hold your teammates accountable then maybe you should give up the letters to someone else and just focus on playing great hockey.

JimmyV1965

It’s not about motivation. It’s about implementing a system and making sure every player executes. Thats the responsibility of coaches.

bcoil

And team leadership

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

How to win a Stanley Cup: be a pretty good team and then have no injuries to key players in the playoffs. Maybe sample some roids to help with said injury issues.

Fibonacci

@JFreshHockey

Rumours that the Sens are exploring the trade market for RFA Jordan Spence.

Spence put up sparkling underlying numbers all season long and played big minutes for them down the stretch (over 21 per game after the Olympics) after being sheltered in the first half.

https://x.com/jfreshhockey/status/2066618110086398218?s=61

(click for chart)

Woodguy v2.0

The bright young people who took no prisoners in discussions online finally put all of the verbal to bed. This isn’t a time to gloat, but the war is over. The Hurricanes won with a waiver goalie, four lines and three pairings who worked like demons every shift and contested every puck, and dominated a playoff spring.

I would add:

-have no super star players.
-were $12 MM below the cap this year and have $36MM in cap space next year with no expensive players to sign
-have their own 1st rounders intact (offersheets!) And and second 1st in 2028 already (Dallas’)

Pretty tidy work and they’ll be relevant for a long, long time

They told EDM they were going to offersheet Bouchard….EDM got him signed.

They then told NYR they were going to offersheet Miller and NYR decided to work a trade instead. CAR used DAL’s 1st in that trade. They got that 1st and 2028 1st in the Stankoven/Rantanen trade.

Man.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

The 12M under the cap is so impressive.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Stan Bowman has the Oilers buyout calculator humming on overdrive.

OriginalPouzar

Oilrs will be buying out zero players.

Fibonacci

Also check out Tulsky’s unofficial KHL farm team.

He’s been drafting Russians by the bundle and now has a couple dozen developing.

Smart way to identify cheap reinforcements.

godot10

I predict Carolina will trade for Hellebuyck.

David

The Hurricanes are a really good team. They are a really well managed team.

They are also a very fortunate team.

They are like Taylor Hall or Nico Hischer first overall picks. Very good and clearly better than the Nuges and Lafrieneres, but they ended up number one because there wasn’t a McDavid or MacKinnon this year. If they ran into the 2024 or 2025 Panthers or the 2022 Avalanche, they don’t end up number one. I think the 2024 Oilers beat the 2026 Hurricanes in 6.

They also had the good fortune of staying healthy and having one of the easiest runs to the finals.

None of this is to say they aren’t really good or aren’t managed really well. But the stars aligned for them this year.

Scungilli Slushy

That’s how I see it. They won fair and square but these playoffs weren’t nearly as strong as many are, which was surprising, so many strong teams weren’t healthy or in them

dulock

I think the amazing thing is that their number one centre and most expensive player (Aho) had just 7 EV points/12 Total Points in 19 games while posting a +4 (He’s had 11 or 12 points in 7/8 playoffs he’s been in). Having your number one guy do a little better than sawing off against the other team’s top guys but 8 forwards scoring at a 45+ point pace makes things difficult on the other team.

Woodguy v2.0

Thats exactly it

No top 6/bottom 6.

The best 12 forwards you can deploy

kinger_OIL

— 3 conference finals and a Cup during this 8 year run. Impressive

— when we drafted McD so sure I was that wed have an 8-10 year run even better than that…

— over the last 8 years we’ve had 2 cup finals a conference final and made playoffs last 7 years.

— except for the owner you take Carolina over Edmonton easy.

OriginalPouzar

I would note that I have seen immense gloating, not from those involved with the Hurricanes, but from dozens who champion this like a personal accomplishment.

I am, in no way, discounting the accomplishments of these people, they have a Stanley Cup but there is significant gloating by their fans.

I am fully aware of the negative response this post will get but its clear and express.

Fibonacci

If someone you know personally had just won a cup, I expect you would be basking in significant borrowed glory.

There’s nothing wrong with Woodguy being proud of the accomplishments of his friends.

You would be.

dunterpunter

🤡

Ryan

Hat tip to Dellow and King… and of course Tulsky.

Interesting style. Contrasts with Sakic and Spriggins who plundered through a lot of key trades, Graves, Burakovsky, Toews, and Lehkonen… or a Bill Zito who shopped around finding undervalued players who were seen as disappointments elsewhere.

The Canes are a curious team. When you look at the lines and the roster, it doesn’t jump out at you. Mostly looks like, “don’t do anything stupid.”

I’m not sure they don’t lead the league in goalie waiver claims.

A roster with no flash and pizzaz, not even a cluster of key players all around age 25 either. Tons of guys on the wrong side of thirty.

I’d need more time to unlock the subtle brilliance of these folks as it doesn’t have the trade history of a Colorado or Florida that jumps out at you or thee stunning brilliance of a build like Jeff Gorton has going on in Montreal, with so many good players clustered around the same age.

The Carolina Hurricanes roster is a bit of a mystery that needs to be unlocked.

Fibonacci

Svechnikov 26
Jarvis 24
Stankhoven 23
Blake 22

Miller 26
Nikishkin 24

Quite a mid 20’s cluster with Bradley Nadeau, 21, likely to join the party next season at a massive discount to the Kotkaniemi contract.

And then there’s all those early 20s Russians warming up in the KHL.

Fibonacci

The NHL has launched its investigation into Mike Babcock.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-officially-opens-mike-babcock-investigation/

“Several agents of Edmonton players who were not involved in direct conversations with Babcock also voiced concerns, adding they didn’t like the idea of clients being traded there, either.”

rev.hans

Friedman, his parentheses: “(One thing those Oilers players who met with Babcock should do is explain to teammates what convinced them this should be a legit option.)”
I’m curious to know, too.

Fibonacci

Jason Gregor
@JasonGregor

Response via text from an NHL player agent when I asked about Oilers coaching rumour… 

“The opportunity to play with McDavid or Draisaitl is diminished with the potential to be coached by Babcock. It is a valid concern voiced to me by a few of my clients.”

Lenny

Some new Babcock stuff here from Friedman. Won’t post quotes but worth a read https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-officially-opens-mike-babcock-investigation/

the interesting and troubling bit is the agents of current Oilers players who didnt speak to Babcock speaking out to Bowman with concerns.

Scungilli Slushy

Man I hope Vegas smartens up. I doubt the league will apply any pressure now because of Gary’s tea

Sierra

Stephen Whyno has a great article on Taylor Hall at the Canadian Press. Some fantastic quotes from Hall, Brind’Amour and others. Give it a read.

“Taylor Hall goes from No. 1 pick to MVP to Stanley Cup champion with the Hurricanes”
Stephen Whyno
The Canadian Press
https://apple.news/AoOeJCxyXQFO_l9INYVxFKQ

Bar_Qu

A few of the “coach vs management” points are missing some key things. Mgt got the players who fit the team style, and jettisoned the ones who didn’t (ie Rantanen). Mgt got all they needed with $15M in cap space going into next season (1 RFA left) and hold their first plus 3 other draft picks this year, and all 7 in 2027.
They not only built a team to play for it all this year, but next year and beyond. I credit coach Rod for getting the most out of this roster, but the big brain mgt team for finding ways to do it under budget and in a sustainable way. This is what the other teams should be considering doing (and by the looks of it, a number of them are).
Full credit to the ‘Canes for a great victory, for sticking with the plan and overcoming the hide-bound ways which could have prevented it all from happening.

Scungilli Slushy

Every team has a plan, the Canes couldn’t have had an easier path to a championship. Everything broke right for them. Props to them, they will have a hard road getting back if the other top teams are healthy etc next season

Bar_Qu

Even an easy path doesn’t necessarily yield a 16-3 result in the finals. I am not going to undersell their accomplishment. The Montreal team they beat had an amazing goalie, playing at the top of his game and they had beaten two 100+ point teams. I don’t think Ottawa was a pushover either. Philly was the only team I would say wasn’t that great, but they weren’t nothing either.
VGK had an easy route with 2 cinderella teams & a Colorado team that choked at the wrong moment.

Scungilli Slushy

They beat up on teams that they should. Something as Oilers fans we don’t get to see all of the time

Bar_Qu

Yep. Great point. Played to their level of ability all finals long.

godot10

Ottawa and Philly were two of the hottest teams going into the playoffs. Ottawa had exceptional advanced stats all year, but shitty goaltending early…circa Edmonton 2005-2006.

godot10

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Scungilli Slushy

One thing the Canes winning shows is that it isn’t necessary to load up at the deadline, or spend firsts

If you have holes yes they should be filled. Ideally you build your roster and don’t have any. The Canes group on paper doesn’t look like the team that was on the ice. Cohesiveness and identity are what leads to winning, and having good enough players playing to their best

Now with the changes in how deadline trades work, I hope we see the Oilers build a good team and focus more on playing well, and save more draft capital

Reja

You can beat the Canes with a disruption squad as in Florida Panthers. Vegas wasn’t the old Vegas from the year they won a Cup. Losing Pietrangelo and adding a few too many soft players ultimately cost them.

dulock

I think this might be an under-recognized effect of the new CBA. Carolina never spends to the cap but now they don’t have to fight it out with double-retained players and fake LTIR moves.

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maximaphilologica

Every year the question teams ask themselves is what do we borrow from the Cup-winning model. It’s a bit harder this year because what the Canes demonstrate is that the best answer to winning next year is to start making good organizational decisions a decade ago.

Of course, the second best time is now. Unfortunately, while the troubles didn’t start with Bowman, his record since doesn’t inspire much confidence in me.

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rev.hans

The best time is always now. Can’t undo what’s past.
And: some of the “now” thinking is being patient with decisions that, by the eye test, look bad, but by the underlying metrics, are still “in process.” The Jarry trade, as much as I hated it at the time, could be one of these. Same with Fred.
The most “now” thing to do is to not react. In a fanbase and organization too used to the dopamine rush of churn and drama, the best “now” action might be to develop the patience habit.

Jerk

What are these underlying metrics you are speaking of Frederic?

rev.hans

I’m sorry I was wasn’t clear.
My curiosity and question is about how consistently GMSB and his scouts use analytics in their decision making, not just for trade targets, but also contracts and term?
The underlying metrics for Jarry were referenced as a reason for the trade (though I don’t know what they are).
If there are underlying metrics to the Fred deal, they were not referenced, and may not be visible to those of who aren’t privy to the math. That doesn’t mean there aren’t any.

Gi JQE

I dont think Rod B gets enough credit.

I believe he is more the reason than management. I get we all want it to be about the analytics management that bought the cup to carolina… but it sure seemed like players that were brought in did things they didnt in the past. Maybe that is stats driven? But watching Ehlers defend like I had never seen in wpg says they bought a guy in and then Rod made him even more. Even Hall seems like a different player in Carolina than he was in the past. Maybe it is just maturing…

I have just always felt
Great teams with tremedous skill can win with average coaches
Average teams with average skill can win with elite coaches.

Anyhow. Just one guys theory.

Scungilli Slushy

That’s how I see it as well. Most coaches are a wash, but top coaches are an advantage

Reja

To win a Cup you have to go through 4 different systems. You’ll notice some players excel against a certain team then another line has success in the next series. Matchups are so important Edmonton was basically coaching itself. The previous 2 years we had enough talent that would roll over teams you are I could have coached the Oilers with just as much success. Against Anaheim K.K had no pulse with matchups. If we are to win next year we need a motivation coach. I don’t want Babcock but it would actually be interesting to see if his system still works in the faster league than when he left it.

dulock

I believe that it’s both. They brought in players that could do more than they were doing and Brind’Amour had them do those things. Hall talked about how he was not at the fitness level needed when the Canes added him and Brind’Amour was a big part of getting guys to that level.

The whole organization top to bottom buys into a data driven philosophy. It’s not just player acquisition but training, coaching, style of play. It all combines together and no one person is solely responsible for group success.

It’s part of the reason we saw Yzerman build a successful team in Tampa Bay but has been completely unable to do so in Detroit. It’s never really just one person that is responsible for success.

OriginalPouzar

Opening odds have the Oilers tied with the fourth best odds to win the Cup (tied with FLA behind Canes, Avs, Knights).

Sierra

Can’t argue with this. Let’s see how the Nurse exodus play outs.

Fibonacci

An entire offseason to go before those odds are meaningful in any way.

So many potential contenders with multiple picks and huge amounts of cap space

Bill

You’re so damned full of it… if it was anyone but Edmonton, you’d be turning blue from rear end lip lock going on about how damned great the team will be next season.

Desperado

Anyone who would bet on those odds before knowing how next season’s rosters shake out would be a fool.

The oddsmakers release the odds this early in hopes that they will capture some of those morons.

rev.hans

Next season’s roster, and next season’s coach. Oddsmakers are pulling our legs.

Fibonacci

They’re trolling for dimwits at this point.

They seem to have found a couple.

OriginalPouzar

The group of men written about deserve their kudos – they have won the Stanley Cup and are full credit for it.

I think we can look at Tulsky and his time as a Cane as more evidence of just how hard it is to win the Stanley Cup. I mean, Tulksy has been in the Hurricane’s org since, what, 2014? Very prominent roles in analytics since 2017 and management since 2018 – AGM since 2021 and finally GM since 2024 – a few more years later, after a bunch of good/great seasons and lots of heartbreak – he’s won the cup.

Full credit but it was a long road – its very hard to win in this league and I don’t think we should forget how close the Oilers have come and how successful they have been in the playoffs the last 5 years.

Scungilli Slushy

Everything came together for them, including teams that I think could have beat them having tough seasons. Also a pretty easy path to the finals reflected by their record, against a team that wasn’t that great this season and ran out of gas

Pretendergast

That’s why repeatedly being in the dance is important. Sometimes you get hurt. Sometimes you get a crazy goalie (for or against, cough Anderson). Sometimes the bounce doesn’t go your way.

Just need to get the right mix once and banners fly forever.

OriginalPouzar

Every path to the Cup is hard and any path can be cratered by injuries – the Canes swept the first two rounds – allowing themselves rest and recovery and, of course, less wear and tear and less minutes played when injuries can occur.

We see upsets in the playoffs every season, including this one, and the Canes taking care of business early and swiftly, notwithstanding what some might consider easier opponents, was key.

dulock

Vegas only really played 3 more games than Carolina and Carolina only lost three games in the whole playoffs (which is the best record since the ’88 Oilers). Florida lost three games in a single round in both of the last two post-seasons.

Every team that wins has luck on their side but this isn’t particularly undeserved. Carolina was 2nd in the regular season and that makes it easier to win. The Oilers would do better if we had regular season success as well.

Scungilli Slushy

They are a good team and very well coached, I still think there are teams that when healthy would beat them. Let’s not forget how much both teams gave up with HDSC and for the Canes multiple breakaways

Fibonacci

Tulsky could not fully thrive until the old “hockey men” got out of the way.

While Jim Rutherford was reasonably successful from 1994-2014, the game eventually passed him by as evidenced by his sad tenure in Vancouver.

After spinning their wheels for 4 seasons under Ron Francis who would later bungle things in Seattle, things did improve under Don Waddell (with Tulsky’s help), it wasn’t until 2024 that Tulsky got to put the final pieces into place.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

You were the one blowing smoke up Francis’ ass when he was announced as GM in Seattle. So I guess you were wrong about that too.

DSF first team-all star takes:

1) Brogan Rafferty > Evan Bocuhard
2) Drai = Joe Colborne
3) All the word vomit about Canucks.

Hard to remember all the non-sense.

Side

Tulsky could not fully thrive until the old “hockey men” got out of the way.”

All you do is praise the old hockey men. Whenever someone points out how the old hockey men are being old hockey men you get defensive and say stuff like “I think they know better than you!”.

Don’t pretend like you are hip with the times, Abe Simpson.

finn_fann

With respect to the last point, I got the sense that Holland knew he wasn’t the smartest in the room. Pretty sure Brad Holland and analytics were behind at least a few of their moves (Hyman and Ekholm were unexpected and turned out tremendously successful), and KH had the cachet around the league to get deals done. It felt like there was a plan for types of players that were needed and timelines for succession, but I do think KH had a blind spot on the value of entry level contracts that hurt the team.

It’s hard to tell where SB is at, but imo the frederic contract speaks to going all in on a gut feeling vs a measured analytics approach. Overall, the SB approach seems to be focusing on players who have hit a downbeat, try to pick them up on the cheap, and then hope they bounce back. It does seem like there is a “type” in terms of hard work ethic and skill with some physicality, but overall it feels like our adds have been oiecemeal. Worked with Podkolzin, is still tbd re: Frederic and Jarry, and failed spectacularly with Mangiapane. I hope he doesn’t double down on his gut instinct with Murphy and Dickinson, as there is high potential for regret with those two.

If nothing else, hopefully Carolina shows that analytics needs a voice in the room when it comes to decision-making. I’d like to see a more measured approach to making incremental gains rather than swinging big on gut feelings. This team is still close to contention, but bleeding any more value with bad signings and trades will slam our window shut in short order.

dulock

I’ve wondered how we would see KH if he had signed Darcy Kuemper instead of Jack Campbell (or someone else). Kuemper has had some ups and downs the last 4 years but an experienced cup winning goalie would have been a big plus and solidified the most important position for us. KH and SB both have such a wild range of success/lack of success on each transaction a better goalie and they should have accidentally won a cup or two.

Ryder

The Oilers are a lot closer than most give them credit for.

  • Back to back cup finals before this year
  • Dominated Vegas and Dallas last year
  • Lost this year with significant injuries. Easy to see a world where if we were 50% more healthy, we’d represent the West again
  • The roster actually doesn’t have THAT many holes to fill – forwards are pretty set (Savoie-McDavid-Hyman, Podz-Drai-Kap*, Howard-RNH-***, Dach-Samanski-Fred) is a great start. We’ll see how the D shakes out and G is the biggest question.
  • Everyone giving the Hurricanes credit for “sticking with it” over the years while saying the Oilers are so far away is a bit ironic. Guaranteed those same people will be talking up Dallas and Colorado again when they have had much less success 3 playoffs in a row
Lenny

Our third line has a lot of work to do to get to the level of Carolina’s third line..

Ryder

Absolutely. And Carolina has a lot of work to do to get to the level of our top 2 Cs. They have their strengths and we have ours. But it’s hard to have it all.

dulock

Carolina’s number one centre scored 12 points in 19 games, while our top centre scored 33 points in 22 games last year.

They scored 9 more goals than us in the regular season but allowed 29 less.

A good goalie and some good defensive play closes that gap really quickly.

Fibonacci

Carolina has long desired to add a top 6 centre but hasn’t been successful in acquiring one.

They were connected to Elias Pettersson in trades talks last season and I wonder if they might revisit that this offseason.

They have the cap space and Vancouver might want another first round pick.

dulock

Carolina should acquire the other Sebastian Aho, both Elias Petterssons, both Matt Murrays and then just slip the “other” one into all of their trades.

finn_fann

Our D is looking like the biggest problem for the offseason imo. Moving nurse needa to happen, but if i/when it does it creates a hole on LD that Walman should be able to fill, but may not be able to for a full season due to health/injury. We need a Kulak-type 3LD who can spot up the lineup when needed. We still need a good 2RD at a reasonable price. Maybe Murphy, but I don’t think he moves the needle given he is not great at passing/transporting the puck imo. After that, Ekholm is still playing like a true top 4 D, but will always be a question due to age at this point.

So Walman’s health, Ekholm’s age, choice of 2RD, ability to trade and then replace Nurse with a capable 2/3LD. There’s a lot of ways for things to go wrong without a lot of internal solutions for coverage.

Ryder

Yeah I totally agree. I would absolutely reallocate Nurse’s dollars all towards the D and not the Fs.

I like Walman as a 2LD but need a quality 2RD and a high end 3LD to drive the 3rd pair.

JimmyV1965

This team is absolutely capable of a making a long run again. The question is if bowman blows it up in the offseason. While trading Nurse doesn’t necessarily hurt the team, it requires some finesse that I’m not sure the current mngt team possesses. Slotting in Walman at 2LD is not a plan; it’s wishful thinking. And it appears they want a hardass coach, no matter who it is. I can’t see Walman thriving in that environment.

Ryder

It is scary. I like Bowman finding value but jury’s out if he can execute a trade like this.

Sierra

Excellent post Ryder.

k.kause

Dreaming here but if Oilers can dump Nurse cap fully without giving up a first (give up Howard in this scenario) they could be really bold with offer sheets.

Robo 13.5 * 5
Bourque 4.5 * 2

Resign Muphry for 3.5 mil and get a cheap goalie like Levi, or Dipetrro.

This would really force Dallas hand like the St Louis offer sheet and we could end up getting a good player ( they would probably keep Robo but hey they dont want to sign him to 12)

Imagine they take the picks and we get both. Forward group would have Borque, savoie, Podz and Robo all in the top 6 all 26 years or younger and Hyman Nuge can run the third line.

Very unrealistic but would love the Oilers to target either player

Gi JQE

Quite positive we do not have the necessary draft capital to do these ideas..

No 2027 1st off the top no?

Not sure we even have our 2nd? But without the 1st rounder cant offer any big contracts….

k.kause

For Robo you can use any of 4 first round picks in the next 5 years and it starts after the draft. Puck Pedia says we can, we also have our 2027 2nd for the borque

OriginalPouzar

Yes, that is correct.

Any offer sheet that includes multiple picks in the same round in the compensation, the team is given and extra year for those picks – they have to use the earliest picks they have (they can’t pick and choose which year) but they get an extra year.

If there is only one pick in that round, it has to be the next draft (2027 for this year’s offer sheets).

godot10

Might as well start the debate on who should be the next Oilers GM.

Team Spezza or Team Dellow

Side

Just curious as I am out of the loop, why Spezza?

godot10

Spezza has tied himself to Dubas’ hip for the last five years, and doing all the work learning every aspect of the job.

doublepennertration

I was going to ask, who are the Tulskys and Dellows out there now we could bring into the organization (if we were smart)? I’m not the biggest believer in Parkatti, as it feels like the Oilers did the Oilers thing and hired the closest person who was basically begging for the job online without doing a proper search.

Or perhaps more interestingly, assuming this vein of analytics goes mainstream like baseball and the market inefficiencies dry up, what is the next edge that only out there bloggers are discussing now?

elgruntus

LT, you should feel like a proud Dad today. This little place, as well as the Hockey’s Future board, gave your brood the room to develop their skills. I’m glad I got to witness the conversations (I learned early on not to argue with Dellow 😉 )
Enjoy “your” Cup victory

John Chambers

It really is the Stanley Cup with Allan Mitchell’s DNA threaded into it.

TruthHurts98

This organization is not run by hockey intelligent people. We will always wonder what could have been. But don’t worry, we have Jarry and Frederic locked up.

rev.hans

I can’t speak to Fred, but everything I’ve read and heard about Jarry says his underlying numbers show him to be a better fit for this club than the winning (WIN%) goalie he replaced. Effect of injuries and confidence are harder to quantify.
Subject to full repair and coaching that builds confidence, I imagine we’ll see better performance this coming season.
Again, organizational patience and humility will be key.

danny

I’m glad Hall got his Cup.

The rest was harder to enjoy.

Some losses are satisfying. Some victories are not.

For those of us who remember 2006, there wasn’t really a side to cheer for.

Just an ending.

And I’m glad it’s over.

Last edited 22 hours ago by danny
Scungilli Slushy

Well put I feel the same

cdammr

Likewise, though I always enjoyed mc79 back in the day so I’m even more happy for him. But the hurricanes will forever be an enemy to me.

Melman

I don’t mind seeing Andersson and Hanafin missing out on being in a parade

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LateNightOilFan

Throughout the series I was happy when one team was losing but not happy the other team was winning. As it drew closer to the end, I chose to focus on the players and there were quite a few Canes players I was happy for, and no player from Vegas was on my “happy for” list. It’s bittersweet as an Oiler fan remembering 2006, 2024 & 2025.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Very happy for Hall and the LT blog nerds that helped build the Canes from their parent’s basements.

Grover Jackson

The Taylor Hall resume:

Consecutive Memorial Cup Championships
1OV Pick
Hart Trophy Winner
989 GP 302 G 485A 787 P
Stanley Cup Winning Goal
Stanley Cup Champion

Peter Chiarelli traded that for a defensive defenceman. He is the current VP of Hockey Operations for the St Louis Blues. True story.

The Oilers are now allegedly in pursuit of another ‘proven Cup winner’in Mike Babcock.

Be careful what you wish for. The NHL is a reputational hire league festooned with men who have failed up.

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Scungilli Slushy

MacT has hinted at young T Hall. There was a lot more going on than Chia being dumb. Glad for TH, I’m more of a fan now than when he was an Oiler

Grover Jackson

Ultimately, it was Chiarelli that made the call.

godot10

Alex Steen has not kept Armstrong’s buddy.

Grover Jackson

Good catch.Someone needs to update his wiki.

Grover Jackson

One of the items of speculation when Chiarelli traded Hall, was that Hall was too much of an alpha leader, and trading him would reset the room for McDavid to ascend as the leader and eventual captain.

If true, a good example of the Oilers making decisions that were not based on winning.

rev.hans

Imagine a mature Taylor Hall as the leader in the room, freeing the kids (even at 30 young men are still kids) to be their best on the ice.

Reja

When 3rd pairing Ference was signed and made Captain by Eakins one of his jobs was to tattletale on the younger players escapades after hours. Who could also forget the water bottle incident with Eakins and Hall. If you’ve never seen it google it. Looking back it’s almost comical but that free spirited move by Hall signed his death warrant in Edmonton.

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rev.hans

Re Ference story: Ugh.
Re water bottle – I appreciate the bits and pieces of history.

Grover Jackson

I have spent way too much time envisioning what this team could have done with 3 Hart Trophy caliber players. It’s a curse.

rev.hans

🙏

Lenny

A crime they only got one season together. And they were friends – McDavid lived with Gazdic snd Hall

usuallyunusual

Every year teams(or fans of teams) think of ways to copycat the Stanley cup winning team.

How do the oilers copycat the hurricanes?(or should they?)

Was the mangipaine signing an attempt to copycat a Bennett / Marchand type player?

Carolina plays and are coached as a team TEAM… all players have roles and would have good reason to feel important to the team.

Robinson got a careless unnecessary penalty last night with ten minutes to go in a close game. He never got benched and was out for his very next shift. A fourth liner. Easy to bench.

Whatever moves are made for the oilers they need a team focused coach and any players added or still here need to feel important.
Is that Babcock? Not from my view.
woodcroft? Yes.
Cassidy? probably.

Grover Jackson

The number one tactic that ALL teams should emulate with Carolina is their effective cap management. Get good contracts. Keep good contracts.

usuallyunusual

Agreed. Other than nurse which are the bad oiler congrats. Many would say Fred and Walman.
For me I think those two looked bad based on injuries. Let’s see what an injury free offseason does for Fred. And hope that Walman can play healthy.
Most importantly don’t do crazy stuff like sign Dickinson to be a third line center.

Scungilli Slushy

The Oiler players should commit to the team goals and play for 60 min like the Canes usually do

Reja

NHL is definitely a copycat league but I do believe the kings of possession wouldn’t have won a series against the Panthers.

Scungilli Slushy

Usually teams that give up 150 breakaways don’t win a Cup

rev.hans

Will the organization be willing and able to commit to a “10-year solution?” Brind’Amour has had a lot of time to shape his team. Any team that tries to copy Carolina would do well to note that success for this GM/coach combo was a long time coming. Given the financial (CAP) and physical health of the club, success may be long running.

Reja

Pressure is on in Edmonton. If McDavid flies the coop it’s imperative and I do hope he gives Stan enough time to get some worth in return. The Edmonton faithful are impatient they want to see playoff hockey now.

rev.hans

And that is the problem. As I get a sense of the history, it sounds like it’s always been, “it’s imperative” to win a McD Cup.
Impatience rarely builds anything of lasting value.
The team that was win-now built by Holland got to two SCFs. Few are satisfied. The hollowing out of the team by win-now meant injuries, disconnected play, on-the-fly retooling, grumbling by team leaders, more injuries, an early out in the playoffs, an angry owner, panic coach-firing, discombobulated coach-search…

We don’t know how long McD is part of this team. The imperative, it would appear, is to start building AS IF McD can’t be relied on to be the team’s McJesus, this year or in five years. Maybe (maybe), that gives him -and others- the confidence they need to win. Right now, and at least since June 2024, it’s looked anxious and desperate in Oilerville.

OriginalPouzar

Friedman on his pod this morning mentioned that after he and Spec dropped their Nurse story he got a call from a team executive (didn’t say which team), mostly furious but wanting to vet – essentially saying teams are trying to do business and keep things quiet but things keep getting out and it’s frustrating.

Friedman also mentioned the league not being happy that the Babcock stuff had to be deal with during the Stanley Cup Final.

Reja

Gary was shaking like a nervous rabbit during the presentation.

HT Joe

1) The Oilers shouldn’t be furious with the media… they should clean up their own house and stop leaking stuff.
2) That’s great to hear that the league was unhappy… Bettman can go to he**

Scungilli Slushy

I don’t think the Oilers are leaking anything, they have no motive to do that and other parties do have motive

dulock

I suspect that the Oilers are quite happy with the media. They wanted all of those things out there to put pressure on the roadblocks in their way.

OriginalPouzar

We don’t know that anyone within the org is leaking anything – maybe but we don’t know.

Fibonacci

Lots of speculation this morning the Vegas won’t bring Torts back but will instead install Henderson head coach Ryan Craig as their new bench boss.

dulock

Lots of speculation this morning that John Tortorella said he wasn’t coming back five days ago and wasn’t lying? He said this on the 10th.

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/john-tortorella-announces-departure-during-150457293.html

Grover Jackson

One of the things Tulsky deserves a lot of credit for is his ability to pivot. The Canes knew they needed juice in their Top 6 to push them over the top. So they went the conventional whale hunting approach first with players like Guentzel and Rantanen. When that didn’t stick, Tulsky turned chickensh#t into chicken salad with players like Stankoven, Ehlers, and of course, Hallsy.

I really enjoyed this team and their Cup run. There’s been way too much “bad guys winning” in this world in sports and elsewhere. It’s nice to see a group of good guys win. A great story and a great Final.

Fibonacci

Very curious to see how Carolina approaches the offseason.

All their key pieces are locked up long term, only RFA Nikishkin to re-sign and could have as much as $15 million free cap space, enough to add another impact player.

Grover Jackson

I think their top priority will be retaining their culture and leadership. Both Brindamour and Staal were not shying away from inferences that this might be the perfect time to sail into the sunset. The master motivator and the linebacker on skates are critical to keep if they hope to repeat.

At 37, Staal was an absolute matchup nightmare in the Final. Very impressive.

I thought Aho deferring to Hall on the Cup carry was so respectful and revealing. I could see Taylor taking on a bigger leadership role with this squad.

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usuallyunusual

Last year the panthers third line was incredibly important to their success. This year Carolina’s third line was incredibly important to their success.
A strong third line is critical.
Can the oilers build a strong third line?

Grover Jackson

Ric Ocasek married Paulina Porizkova. Anything is possible.

dulock

They have before and they can again. Will they is probably a question of whether certain players bounce back and if they can add another centre or three

Fibonacci

A very good chance Staal gets a management job with the team.

His leadership skills are off the charts.

dulock

This is their summer to add an “old guy without a cup” but I suspect we see them add a D, make a decision on Anderson, but keep most of that cap flexibility.

Brantford Boy

Hat tip to Hallsy! Way to go #4… once an Oiler always an Oiler!

John Chambers

The Pittsburgh Penguins drafted an era of star players from Fleury (2003), Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Staal (2006).

Staal was famously traded at the 2012 draft to Carolina for a less expensive Brandon Sutter and the 8th ov pick (Derrick Pouliot).

It was a bold trade at the time that Pittsburgh definitively lost.

dulock

IIRC Staal actually engineered that trade. He turned down a 10-year $60M contract from the Penguins and then signed the same offer with Carolina. He wanted a bigger role and he wanted to play with his brother Eric. I think Pittsburgh lost the trade but won the war with cups in 2016 and 2017. I’ve wondered if Staal did/didn’t regret that decision but I’d say that he doesn’t today.

Lenny

Pittsburgh also got Brian Dumoulin who was one of their best defensemen for two cups.

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MushedPeas

Taylor Hall. Champion.

HT Joe

Because of age and circumstances, I started watching hockey and cheering for the Oilers the year after they won their last cup. I’ve been cheering for the Oilers for over 3 decades, and while 2006 and the last two playoffs came close, I never got to cheer for a championship team.

Last night, it was incredible to see Taylor Hall win it all. I’m so incredibly proud of and happy for our former 1st overall pick!!

Bobcaygeon

How do you know who the “weak men” are in an organization?
They fire the smart people.
Peter Chiarelli fired Dellow when Dellow questioned the Hall trade.
Congratulations to Taylor Hall. H.O.P.E – for those that remember

dcsj

Once the Oilers were out, I threw my hat in the Taylor Hall ring. Super happy for him how things turned out.

Red wolf

Now that I’ve cheered for Hall and the Hurricanes, I’ve discovered just how well that team is put together. Hall with two young ones was impressive. And Carolina have prospects and cap space! Gotta say the Oilers face some big challenges ahead

rev.hans

It’s never too late to do the right thing.
The wrong thing, clearly, has been making short term “win now” decisions driven by the “McD window” panic.
What would long term success decisions look like? Start now.

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kinger_OIL

Now that season is over I’ll run this a few times (until one of the questions get answered with LTs permission I trust:

— what will the Oilers do this off-season” poll: most right gets a PayPal contribution to the fine blog and “off-season Oiler pulse reader of year”

1) who is the head coach next year?
2) what team is Nurse on next year? (Bonus if you name player(s) returned)
3) what is the opening day goalie tandem?
4) who is the biggest new acquisition/ free agent signing as measured by AAV, excluding Nurse return
5) Murphy, Dickinson. Henrique, Roslovic and Kapenen: which ones are re-signed ?
6) Who is the Oilers first draft pick?
7) Is Coffey behind the bench again?

best to just answer :
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
so I can tabulate.

dulock

I’m going to give the all-random edition of this.

1 – Bob Hartley. The team has to learn how to shiv a goalie.
2 – LA but we have to take back Cody Ceci
3 – Jacob Markstrom and Matt Murray – gotta have experience
4 – Elias Petterson – But we got him for free!
5 – None of them – how are we got get other people’s shiny stuff if we keep our own?
6 – Alexander Karmanov – At 7’1″ the Oilers can’t resist the biggest Coke Machine of all time
7 – Yes – but not for the Oilers

SVR

1 Babs
2 Philly – Seeler
3 Jarry/Cossa
4 McMann
5 Murphy and Kapanen
6 Luke Schairer
7 No

Gerta Rauss

1)Babcock
2)LA (Trevor Moore)
3)Jarry/Cossa
4)Erik Haula
5)Murphy, Kapanen
6)Ethan McKenzie 2nd round
7)No

Reja

I have a feeling Howard is attached to Nurse. What team would take on Nurse and have room on the PP-1 for a Hobey Baker winning shoot first winger? I also think Nurse could be a QB on the PP-2. This could be a win-win old fashioned trade. I do think it’ll happen with an Eastern team.

Fibonacci

Apparently Dubas in Pittsburgh has been sniffing around Nurse.

His geriatric roster could use an infusion of young blood and lord only knows that $38 million in cap space might br burning a hole in his pocket.

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