Winterlong

We haven’t heard much about Philip Broberg since draft weekend, but the information is filtering through via summer tournaments and good reporting. Corey Pronman of The Athletic caught up with Sweden world junior coach Tomas Monten, who was very positive about Broberg and his skills: “I don’t know why anyone would be skeptical. He’s a young kid, he needs to grow. His skating is awesome.” Complete article is here.

We haven’t talked much about the scouting staff and changes after the draft, so with August dawning it’s probably a good time to have a look under the hood.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto has the talent to win a job with the Oilers on merit, if he’s healthy.
  • Jonathan Willis: Jesse Puljujarvi still has upside and the Oilers’ patient approach is the right one
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Dave Tippett on rounding out his coaching staff, fixing Oilers’ special teams and using Connor McDavid
  • Lowetide: Handicapping the Oilers’ young defencemen and their chances of replacing Andrej Sekera
  • Lowetide: Is Kirill Maksimov progressing as the Edmonton Oilers’ next great hope for a true homegrown sniper?
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers ease pressure on crowded defensive pipeline by trading John Marino to the Penguins
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the 2021-22 Oilers might look like after their steady build toward contender status
  • Lowetide: Joel Persson is ideally situated to win an opening night roster spot with the Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the 2019-20 Oilers might look like without trade missteps.
  • Lowetide: Finding the best candidates for the final two spots on the Oilers skill lines in 2019-20.
  • Jonathan Willis: Projecting the Oilers’ opening night lineup, line combinations and more.
  • Lowetide: Does the James Neal acquisition impact Oilers’ prospects in 2019-20?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ acquisition of James Neal could add badly needed scoring to the top two lines.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland puts his stamp on the Oilers with first big move in Lucic-Neal trade
  • Jonathan Willis: Ken Holland ends an ugly situation for the Oilers by trading Milan Lucic for James Neal
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Potential free-agent options for the Oilers in 2020
  • Jonathan Willis: Which Oilers defencemen can make an outlet pass?
  • Lowetide: Looking ahead to Oilers training camp: 35 players for 23 jobs
  • Jonathan Willis: Josh Archibald won’t fix the Oilers’ biggest problems, but he’ll help with some key issues.
  • Lowetide: Will the 2019-20 Bakersfield Condors be the Oilers’ best minor-league team ever?
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

If I woke you up at midnight, could you give a complete history of Oilers drafting? You’d need to make coffee, but yes. I think drafting well, and developing properly, is the most important element in an organization’s success. Example: Oilers draft record 1979 through 1983. In selecting Kevin Lowe, Mark Messier, Glenn Anderson, Paul Coffey, Jari Kurri, Andy Moog, Grant Fuhr, Steve Smith, Jeff Beukeboom and Esa Tikkanen, Barry Fraser provided a cluster so bright they won Stanley five times in seven years.

Give me the list of scouting directors and years they were in charge. Okay, well, this is a bit of a moving target but here goes: Fraser (1979-2000, he was here during some of the WHA era, too); Kevin Prendergast (2001-2007); Stu MacGregor (2008-2014); Bob Green (2015-2019 and possibly beyond). Keith Gretzky came in during the Green era and had a positive (imo) impact on procurement.

They hired Tyler Wright, where does he fit? Based on the Oilers site, it looks like Keith Gretzky is assistant general manager, with Bob Green in Gretzky’s old job and Wright in Green’s scouting director chair. That’s a guess, though.

How did Green do? If we use “two actual NHL players per year” as a line in the sand for success, Green’s 2015 looks like it could pass the threshold (McDavid, Caleb Jones, Ethan Bear). I don’t believe in giving credit for McDavid, but the next pick was No. 117, if the Oilers get a player that late I think we can call it a pass. Calgary got defensemen Rasmus Andersson (No. 53), Oliver Kylington (No. 60) and forward Andrew Mangiapane (No. 166). Oilers would need both Jones and Bear to cash in order to match Andersson and Kylington.

What about 2016? Yeah, that’s the nut for sure. Jesse Puljujarvi and Tyler Benson need to cash, as Dylan Wells is the only other signed player from that draft. Calgary drafted Tkachuk and Dube, but Tyler Parsons is off the pace among the earlier picks. Adam Fox and Eetu Tuulola look like excellent picks, while the Oilers don’t have any player in the back half of the 2016 draft with that kind of resume.

Who will they sign from that 2016 draft? At this point, it’s difficult to point to a specific player. The Oilers still have signing rights to Markus Niemelainen, Filip Berglund, Matt Cairns, Graham McPhee and Aapeli Rasanen. I like Berglund but he isn’t a lock to be signed.

Who is the best unsigned prospect from the 2014-2018 drafts? Tough question. I think Michael Kesselring has the most potential, but he’s a raw talent with miles to go. It was John Marino but he was traded, and it might be Hayden Hawkey but the Oilers control his rights for only two more weeks. All of that understood, I’ll say Phil Kemp.

Did Ken Holland impact the 2019 draft? Yes, I believe so. Philip Broberg is more a Holland pick imo than an Oilers selection. We didn’t hear about Broberg until after Holland arrived, that’s kind of anecdotal but is also true. Edmonton chose no players from the WHL or OHL, in all previous drafts the Oilers chose at least one player from the WHL or OHL in every previous draft.

You haven’t talked much about the 2019 draft? I’ve given my opinion on each man, and ranked three of them inside the top 20 (with one honorable mention) here.

Among the group chosen No. 100 overall and later, who do you project as the best prospect? Matej Blumel. Although he was drafted in his second year of eligibility, Blumel is a speed merchant who can score goals. I like him plenty.

How many rookies do you have on your RE? I have Gaetan Haas, Joakim Nygard and Joel Persson in my RE model, I believe none of them count as rookies. Among ‘traditional’ rookies, I have nine players getting at least a game.

NINE? Yes. This season should see a lot of turnover, for several reasons. As defencemen like Evan Bouchard get recalled, it’s likely we’ll see veterans sent away. It might not happen until the deadline, but you could see Jones, Bouchard and Lagesson (as an example) in the starting lineup in March. Same thing up front, Benson, Marody, Yamamoto, Gambardella, Currie and Russell are all pushing, plus I have Nygard in Bakersfield to start the year.

Some of those defensemen will get pushed down when the Oilers sign Kevin Shattenkirk. I don’t think the player will sign in Edmonton, and frankly the organization is wise to find out about Joel Persson this winter. Edmonton has put itself in a position where the management doesn’t know about a ton of players, so a one-year freeze on adding veteran blue (as they appear to be doing) is wise.

Give me your RE 23-man roster! No.

When will you publish? In August sometime.

Why wouldn’t you have started already? I did. The first official piece came out July 12. You missed it. My RE on Tyler Benson is here and includes discussion about where he might land (and when) on the Oilers roster.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy Thursday morning gets kick started at 10, TSN1260. We’ll talk to Darrin Bauming from TSN1290 in Winnipeg about the Blue Bombers-Argos game that kicks off tonight’s doubleheader. Daniel Gallen from Penn Live will pop in to give an update on Philadelphia Eagles camp and we might have a Cowboys and mlb guest when the mics go on. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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162 Responses to "Winterlong"

  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Interview with Howson yesterday from Plymouth advised that they have been in touch with a few people in Skellefteå and prospects are high for Broberg to get substantial playing time.

    Of course, its up to the player to grab the opportunity but it should be there.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think Berglund has one more year under contract in Skellefteå – hopefully he signs and comes over next season. I think the plan was originally to bring him over this season (SEL contracts have out clauses) but, with the log-jam, another year in Sweden makes sense.

    If we have Bouchard and one other replacing Russell (and one other) on the big club in 2020/21, there will be a place for Berglund in the Bake!

  3. Optimism is like heroin says:

    Ok here is a question. Shattenkirk just lost millions of dollars by signing his 4 year deal w rangers, he just had an anniversary and 4 week old child before the buy out came. Where is he most likely to recoup some of his lost credibility to set him up for free agency again?

  4. godot10 says:

    //New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto has the talent to win a job with the Oilers on merit, if he’s healthy//

    There he goes again!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68MKLkNSMN4

    It is August, and Lowetide is again wrongly arguing (IMHO) for Yamamoto in the NHL.

    Yamamoto needs to decisively check of the AHL box before he receives another NHL shot. Three times is NOT the charm.

    Hopefully, Kenny sticks to his promise and his past on developing prospects.

  5. ArmchairGM says:

    Jaxon: And Nurse’s partner was Russell vs Johnson. Big difference in partners and Russell is a drag on Nurse.

    Based on what?

    Girard with and without Johnson / difference
    911:49 TOI 447:31
    47.93 CF% 49.55 / +1.62
    47.20 FF% 50.83 / +3.63
    48.32 SF% 51.47 / +3.15
    50.00 GF% 64.29 / +14.29

    Nurse with and without Russell / difference
    1054:35 TOI 298:01
    45.23 CF% 49.91 / +4.68
    45.53 FF% 48.31 / +2.78
    46.07 SF% 48.96 / +2.89
    50.00 GF% 43.59 / -6.41

    Looks like Johnson is more a drag on Girard than Russell is for Nurse. And that GF% without Russell… *shudders*. Yeah, let’s pay this guy $7M long term.

  6. ArmchairGM says:

    Optimism is like heroin:
    Ok here is a question.Shattenkirk just lost millions of dollars by signing his 4 year deal w rangers, he just had an anniversary and 4 week old child before the buy out came.Where is he most likely to recoup some of his lost credibility to set him up for free agency again?

    Not here. Edmonton chews up and spits out players like him.

  7. Coiler says:

    Optimism is like heroin:
    Ok here is a question.Shattenkirk just lost millions of dollars by signing his 4 year deal w rangers, he just had an anniversary and 4 week old child before the buy out came.Where is he most likely to recoup some of his lost credibility to set him up for free agency again?

    I don’t see how an anniversary or the arrival of his child has anything to do Shattenkirk’s situation. He’s getting millions of dollars in a buy out. He’s not being left destitute by any stretch. In terms of his credibility, I think he still has it as a player and some team will likely pick him because he is a good d-man, albeit at a much cheaper price.

  8. Andy Dufresne says:

    Winter(s) Long, to which I say,

    “I waited for you” Broberg but,
    “You seem to be where (you) belong.”

    “If things should ever turn out wrong
    And all the love we have is gone,” to which I say

    JP, “It won’t be easy on that day.”

    If I woke you up at midnight, could you give a complete history of Oilers drafting? To which I say:

    “Half the time has passed away
    Things we thought of yesterday
    Come back now, come back now.”

    If I woke you up at midnight, could you? To which I say….

    Why fill your mind with worries “It’s all illusion anyway.”

  9. Andy Dufresne says:

    Optimism is like heroin:
    Ok here is a question.Shattenkirk just lost millions of dollars by signing his 4 year deal w rangers, he just had an anniversary and 4 week old child before the buy out came.Where is he most likely to recoup some of his lost credibility to set him up for free agency again?

    Heard yesterday that his family is “well heeled”. And he likes amir ica.

    So to answer your question, not here.

    Sidebar: The phrase “well-heeled” describes someone who has money or is well provided for. It is believed by some, that the heel being referred to here is the heel of a shoe or boot. In the 1800’s to travel far out West a man had to be, in the local phrase, ‘well heeled’.” Equiped with a six shooter and a good pair of boots. (Amir ica…Some things never change)

    2nd Sidebar: Used to drive my mother crazy that people from the United States couldnt grasp the idea that (North) America is a continent and not a country. And that what people in these United States of America speak is English…Not American. 🙂

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Really? REALLY?? That’s the most ignorant statement you’ve made all week. Have you forgotten that Draisaitl spent 2/3 of his TOI with McDavid?

    You are really going to call me ignorant? That’s how you discuss with people?

    Not to mention, you are the one that is not understanding the (my) point.

    Sure, when Nurse played with McDavid, much of that time was also with Drai – that’s a great combo – of course, the trio was filled with the likes of Kassian, Chiasson, Rattie, etc.

    When Girard played with McKinnon, he not only played with Rantanen, he also played with Landeskog – ALL THREE OF THEM. Girard played those minutes with 2 elite players and third just being a really good 1st line player. That was the best line in hockey, trumping McDavid/Leon and a filler, not to mention the minutes where McDavid was with two fillers.

  11. bwar says:

    ArmchairGM: Based on what?

    Girard with and without Johnson / difference
    911:49 TOI 447:31
    47.93 CF% 49.55 / +1.62
    47.20 FF% 50.83 / +3.63
    48.32 SF% 51.47 / +3.15
    50.00 GF% 64.29 / +14.29

    Nurse with and without Russell / difference
    1054:35 TOI 298:01
    45.23 CF% 49.91 / +4.68
    45.53 FF% 48.31 / +2.78
    46.07 SF% 48.96 / +2.89
    50.00 GF% 43.59 / -6.41

    Looks like Johnson is more a drag on Girard than Russell is for Nurse. And that GF% without Russell… *shudders*. Yeah, let’s pay this guy $7M long term.

    This season I really felt that Nurse wasn’t up to the task of filling in for Klefbom after his injury. I know Nurse-Larsson have played well together in the past but they were a disaster together this season. During that time it felt like Nurse was racking up points while the Oilers were racking up loses. His next contract already feels like a disaster and we are still a year away. It feels like a transition year on the back end so maybe a few players will get an opportunity to challenge for spots higher up in the lineup in the second half of the year, at that point we might get a chance to see exactly how Nurse stacks up to the rest of the group.

  12. dustrock says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Yeah he’ll sign for cheap with Florida or Las Vegas or Washington, etc.

  13. Marc says:

    Great song! Does this mean a Neil Young RE?

    I saw the Pixies at Brixton Academy a couple years ago and they did a wonderful cover of Winterlong. One of the highlights of a great, great set.

  14. Primetime says:

    dustrock:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Yeah he’ll sign for cheap with Florida or Las Vegas or Washington, etc.

    I think he will try to stay on the east coast, and likely even try to stay local.

    If the Devils hadn’t already gotten Subban, I think it would be slam dunk to go there.
    My money is on Uncle Lou and the Isles.

  15. Woogie63 says:

    The drafting record is directly impacted by the DEVELOPMENT record –

    Moving the AHL team to Edmonton is a step I would like to see –

    Closer to NHL support systems
    Easier for call up
    Fights to California are the cheapest part of development for games
    Players in the AHL never have to move when they are called up
    Another hockey option for Edmonton fans – If Winnipeg can do it …

    a part of the problem is the AHL DEVELOPMENT system

    1979-1980 Houston Apollos CHL
    1980-1982 Wichita Wind CHL
    1982-1984 Moncton Alpines AHL
    1984-1988 Nova Scotia Oilers AHL
    1988-1996 Cape Breton Oilers AHL
    1990-1991 Kansas City Blades† IHL
    1996-2003 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL
    2003-2004 Toronto Roadrunners AHL
    2004-2005 Edmonton Roadrunners AHL
    2005-2006 Hamilton Bulldogs† AHL
    2005-2006 Iowa Stars† AHL
    2007-2010 Springfield Falcons AHL
    2010-2015 Oklahoma City Barons AHL
    2015-2019 Bakersfield Condors AHL

  16. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: You are really going to call me ignorant?That’s how you discuss with people?

    Not to mention, you are the one that is not understanding the (my) point.

    Sure, when Nurse played with McDavid, much of that time was also with Drai – that’s a great combo – of course, the trio was filled with the likes of Kassian, Chiasson, Rattie, etc.

    When Girard played with McKinnon, he not only played with Rantanen, he also played with Landeskog – ALL THREE OF THEM. Girard played those minutes with 2 elite players and third just being a really good 1st line player. That was the best line in hockey, trumping McDavid/Leon and a filler, not to mention the minutes where McDavid was with two fillers.

    And you missed MY point. Girard played ~40% of his TOI with that trio, Nurse played ~36% of his time with McDavid-Draisaitl. In addition to that, Nurse also got to play with Nugent-Hopkins (who is better than any other Colorado forward by far) for another 29% of his TOI. When combined with their TOI vs Elites, it’s obvious that Nurse had an easier time this past season – easier defensive minutes and easier offensive minutes. Combined with the fact that Girard was just 20 this past season, I’d say he’s ahead of Nurse at this point in time.

    Also:

    Draisaitl – McDavid – Kassian: 4.86 GF/60
    Draisaitl – McDavid – Chaisson: 3.41 GF/60
    Landeskog – MacKinnon – Rantanen: 3.27 GF/60

    So no, that line didn’t trump Edmonton’s top lines in production at all.

  17. Glovjuice says:

    godot10:
    //New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto has the talent to win a job with the Oilers on merit, if he’s healthy//

    There he goes again!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68MKLkNSMN4

    It is August, and Lowetide is again wrongly arguing (IMHO) for Yamamoto in the NHL.

    Yamamoto needs to decisively check of the AHL box before he receives another NHL shot.Three times is NOT the charm.

    Hopefully, Kenny sticks to his promise and his past on developing prospects.

    In this age of social media and emersive sports coverage the athletic articles all are subtle (perhaps even subconscious) troll jobs to generate discussion and thus entertainment for sports fans. I gave up my athletic subscription a while ago as I find the articles covertly biased (all skillfully done, of course). I will get ripped for this I am aware).

  18. Glovjuice says:

    OriginalPouzar: You are really going to call me ignorant?That’s how you discuss with people?

    Not to mention, you are the one that is not understanding the (my) point.

    Sure, when Nurse played with McDavid, much of that time was also with Drai – that’s a great combo – of course, the trio was filled with the likes of Kassian, Chiasson, Rattie, etc.

    When Girard played with McKinnon, he not only played with Rantanen, he also played with Landeskog – ALL THREE OF THEM. Girard played those minutes with 2 elite players and third just being a really good 1st line player. That was the best line in hockey, trumping McDavid/Leon and a filler, not to mention the minutes where McDavid was with two fillers.

    You two are like high school juniors with your childish banter. Please stop.

  19. Silver Streak says:

    dustrock:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Yeah he’ll sign for cheap with Florida or Las Vegas or Washington, etc.

    dustrock,

    We are long past the “bring in Shattenkirk ” stage, thanks be to wise drafting….we have 3 or more puckmovers all busting the door down under affordable contracts…..
    Shattenkirk is the finest possible example of:
    1. A terrible July 1 deal requiring a massive buyout within 1 year of signing
    2. An American born player, entitled used to be, who was never any good in his own end…complete
    with large ego who had a short trade list inclusive of only large eastern seaboard American cities….

  20. LadiesloveSmid says:

    godot10:
    //New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto has the talent to win a job with the Oilers on merit, if he’s healthy//

    There he goes again!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68MKLkNSMN4

    It is August, and Lowetide is again wrongly arguing (IMHO) for Yamamoto in the NHL.

    Yamamoto needs to decisively check of the AHL box before he receives another NHL shot.Three times is NOT the charm.

    Hopefully, Kenny sticks to his promise and his past on developing prospects.

    Saying he could win on merit isn’t the same as saying he belongs in the top 6 in the NHL.

    I read it as LT meaning there’s so little in front of him, that even being a low end option has you flying up the flagpole in Edmonton. As in, if Kailer outplays Archibald in pre-season/early season then he’s zoomed to 3RW

  21. Fraktal says:

    godot10,

    IIRC, Lowetide doesn’t get final say on the title of his articles. If the Athletic editors want click-bait titles, there’s little LT can do to stop them.

  22. Leroy Draisdale says:

    Flames are buying out Stone

  23. dinger says:

    dinger:
    Glovjuice,

    An interesting opinion regarding The Athletic as I am contemplating a subscription for the coming season.
    You have given me more reason to procrastinate about subscribing.

  24. Gerta Rauss says:

    Leroy Draisdale:
    Flames are buying out Stone

    I posted yesterday claiming Calgary’s buyout window should have been closed already but there is some ambiguity regarding when the last contract is resolved and the number of “business days” between that and the start/finish of the buyout window.

    I stand corrected

  25. dustrock says:

    Silver Streak,

    I would suspect Shattenkirk might be more effective than Persson or Bouchard (or Bear, Jones etc).

    I might be wrong.

    Also, beggars, choosers, shoulder shrug.

    Would I pay him more than $3m x 2 years? Absolutely not, and would obviously prefer a 1 year deal.

    But again, not going to come to Edmonton, that’s been made very clear previously.

  26. Reja says:

    dustrock:
    Silver Streak,

    I would suspect Shattenkirk might be more effective than Persson or Bouchard (or Bear, Jones etc).

    I might be wrong.

    Also, beggars, choosers, shoulder shrug.

    Would I pay him more than $3m x 2 years?Absolutely not, and would obviously prefer a 1 year deal.

    But again, not going to come to Edmonton, that’s been made very clear previously.

    He does have a better chance of coming to the Oilers on the cheap then those two surfer boys down California way Marleau and Thornton.

  27. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: You are really going to call me ignorant?That’s how you discuss with people?

    Not to mention, you are the one that is not understanding the (my) point.

    Sure, when Nurse played with McDavid, much of that time was also with Drai – that’s a great combo – of course, the trio was filled with the likes of Kassian, Chiasson, Rattie, etc.

    When Girard played with McKinnon, he not only played with Rantanen, he also played with Landeskog – ALL THREE OF THEM. Girard played those minutes with 2 elite players and third just being a really good 1st line player. That was the best line in hockey, trumping McDavid/Leon and a filler, not to mention the minutes where McDavid was with two fillers.

    Will be real interesting to see what happens with Trouba this year. He will play with the best players on the team, he will get all the minutes. He will play with a worse dman partner. For my money, I bet his possession numbers will drop dramatically. Because he’s on a crappy team. Hockey isn’t baseball. The team you play with makes a difference to your individual numbers.

  28. Munny says:

    Leroy Draisdale:
    Flames are buying out Stone

    I wonder for whom they are making space…

  29. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    That’s unusual. Has it ever happened before?

  30. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock:
    Silver Streak,

    I would suspect Shattenkirk might be more effective than Persson or Bouchard (or Bear, Jones etc).

    I might be wrong.

    Also, beggars, choosers, shoulder shrug.

    Would I pay him more than $3m x 2 years?Absolutely not, and would obviously prefer a 1 year deal.

    But again, not going to come to Edmonton, that’s been made very clear previously.

    We have so many more holes to fill.

  31. Harpers Hair says:

    Munny: I wonder for whom they are making space…

    Tkachuk

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    Seems this may have been incorrect as Stone is being bought out:

    GertaRauss:
    OriginalPouzar,

    It should be today….5pm ET…about 3 hours ago

    The window closes 48 hours after the last arbitration case in settled ( either by the arbiter or a contract is agree upon)… although it gets a little muddy with a weekend involved

    Edit- it should have been yesterday (Tuesday)

  33. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny:

    That’s unusual. Has it ever happened before?

    You mean me being wrong..?

    Once

    Yesterday… LoL

  34. geowal says:

    dinger: An interesting opinion regarding The Athletic as I am contemplating a subscription for the coming season.
    You have given me more reason to procrastinate about subscribing.

    The most interesting articles I’ve found are Daniel Nugent Bowman, as he’s managed to get access and do well done interviews with a lot of players.
    I find the subscription well worth it, even if I only read an article a week or so (sometimes much more though).

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glovjuice: You two are like high school juniors with your childish banter.Please stop.

    Congrats on providing your opinion with swearing like a high school junior.

  36. Reja says:

    Munny: I wonder for whom they are making space…

    Jesse

  37. Gerta Rauss says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I was basing my calculations off of Larry Brooks tweet regarding Buchnevic and the Rangers buyout window- he corrected himself yesterday.

    Damn weekends LoL

  38. Optimism is like heroin says:

    Coiler,

    My point on the extras is his whole grand home coming has turned into compost at a VERY big time in his life. Priorities change.

  39. Primetime says:

    Munny: I wonder for whom they are making space…

    Their own RFA’s…

  40. defmn says:

    Woogie63:
    The drafting record is directly impacted by the DEVELOPMENT record –

    Moving the AHL team to Edmonton is a step I would like to see –

    Closer to NHL support systems
    Easier for call up
    Fights to California are the cheapest part of development for games
    Players in the AHL never have to move when they are called up
    Another hockey option for Edmonton fans – If Winnipeg can do it …

    a part of the problem is the AHL DEVELOPMENT system

    1979-1980Houston ApollosCHL
    1980-1982Wichita WindCHL
    1982-1984Moncton AlpinesAHL
    1984-1988Nova Scotia OilersAHL
    1988-1996Cape Breton OilersAHL
    1990-1991Kansas City Blades†IHL
    1996-2003Hamilton BulldogsAHL
    2003-2004Toronto RoadrunnersAHL
    2004-2005Edmonton RoadrunnersAHL
    2005-2006Hamilton Bulldogs†AHL
    2005-2006Iowa Stars†AHL
    2007-2010Springfield FalconsAHL
    2010-2015Oklahoma City BaronsAHL
    2015-2019Bakersfield CondorsAHL

    Ah yes, remember the good old days when the club folded their AHL team under the EIG to save a few hundred thousand dollars and a significant faction of Edmonton fans (who shall remain nameless to protect the guilty) argued that it was a smart move because the extra money could be used to upgrade the 3rd and 4th line. 😉

  41. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: Tkachuk

    Dammit DSF, I’m trolling the Shattenkirkers. I thought you at least would have been on board, lol.

  42. Fraktal says:

    Woogie63,

    It’ll never happen – the team plays most of their games in California, so financially its much cheaper to keep the team in Bakersfield. Not only would the farm team need to travel more (Edm to Cali), all of the other teams would also need to travel (and spend) more to get to Edm.

  43. tileguy says:

    JimmyV1965: Will be real interesting to see what happens with Trouba this year. He will play with the best players on the team, he will get all the minutes. He will play with a worse dman partner. For my money, I bet his possession numbers will drop dramatically.Because he’s on a crappy team. Hockey isn’t baseball. The team you play with makes a difference to your individual numbers.

    Try telling that to the analytical crowd.

  44. JimmyV1965 says:

    Fraktal:
    Woogie63,

    It’ll never happen – the team plays most of their games in California, so financially its much cheaper to keep the team in Bakersfield.Not only would the farm team need to travel more (Edm to Cali), all of the other teams would also need to travel (and spend) more to get to Edm.

    I really doubt the league would allow it, even if we subsidized travel costs. We could maybe move to a different league.

  45. New Improved Darkness says:

    What we learned from Doughy Don’s decade of debacle in the 1990s (a biblical Red Sea of declared losses): the game isn’t over until the fat lady has a wardrobe malfunction.

    People going “wha?” over the notion on the tubes this morning that Chia is in consideration for another plate appearance should stop for a moment to consider the plate-appearance mulligan wizard of all time. Base-clearing home run from left field. Fuck you, Red Sea. Somewhere deep down, you just have to kneel and concede props.

    For the record, I’ve made equally pointed observations about every high public official in my lifetime, red/blue/white or green.

    Because of the current climate, I bite my tongue 99 times out of a 100 per house edict, but sometimes you just have to step back and concede that “the game isn’t over until the fat lady has a wardrobe malfunction” clears some kind of universal bar of stealing home from the top of the diamond.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot:

    Yamamoto needs to decisively check of the AHL box before he receives another NHL shot.Three times is NOT the charm.

    I agree on this. He got sent to the AHL last year because he was not NHL ready and needed some development time in the AHL. Unfortunately, he did not get the development time due to injury. That means that he should still require the development time.

    Prior to the injury, Yamamoto had indeed gained traction down in the AHL and was proving to be a top-level AHL player – driving the play and creating scoring chances, consistently, even with uneven linemates.

    I’m confident that, assuming health, he’ll be a PPG player this year in the AHL and, if he has that success for a substantial period of time, then he can be a call-up option.

  47. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Primetime: Their own RFA’s…

    Unless they sign Tkachuk to a bridge or he somehow agrees to a $6M AAV contract (I seriously hope Calgary doesn’t get another steal of a deal on a rising star player, or I’m calling shenanigans!!!) it looks like the fLames will need to move one more player to be able to sign both Tkachuk and Mangiapane.

    Come on Tkachuk!!! Don’t take anything less than $8M!!!

  48. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar: I agree on this.He got sent to the AHL last year because he was not NHL ready and needed some development time in the AHL.Unfortunately, he did not get the development time due to injury. That means that he should still require the development time.

    Prior to the injury, Yamamoto had indeed gained traction down in the AHL and was proving to be a top-level AHL player – driving the play and creating scoring chances, consistently, even with uneven linemates.

    I’m confident that, assuming health, he’ll be a PPG player this year in the AHL and, if he has that success for a substantial period of time, then he can be a call-up option.

    I’m more than happy for Yamamoto to get a shot in the top 6 – after he’s completely crushed it in the AHL. By crushing it I mean playing well and producing consistently, night in, night out until Christmas.

    My hopes are high for Kailer to make it in the NHL, but first and foremost, let’s put him in a position to succeed.

  49. Ryan says:

    I’m curious.

    Anyone have time to run numbers comparing tippet’s bottom six vs the Oilers for his last or three seasons vs the Oilers?

  50. Psyche says:

    Michael Stone played over 5 seasons for Tippett and Playfair. He’s a Winnipeg boy who played in the WHL. I imagine Stone could be a tempting player for the Oilers. He was buried in Calgary (1st season there was with Guluztan) behind several quality D-men. Last season he missed the majority of due to blood clots.

    I prefer to go with the multiple youth for RD, but I have nothing invested.

  51. Oilman99 says:

    Darth Tu: I’m more than happy for Yamamoto to get a shot in the top 6 – after he’s completely crushed it in the AHL.By crushing it I mean playing well and producing consistently, night in, night out until Christmas.

    My hopes are high for Kailer to make it in the NHL, but first and foremost, let’s put him in a position to succeed.

    There is every indication that Yamamoto could be the new Pitlick. It could be a stretch his size and weight could derail his NHL hopes.

  52. RonnieB says:

    Psyche:
    Michael Stone played over 5 seasons for Tippett and Playfair. He’s a Winnipeg boy who played in the WHL. I imagine Stone could be a tempting player for the Oilers. He was buried in Calgary (1st season there was with Guluztan) behind several quality D-men. Last season he missed the majority of due to blood clots.

    I prefer to go with the multiple youth for RD, but I have nothing invested.

    I hope Tippett and Playfair don’t make a pitch for Stone based on his Arizona career. It was tracking very well (including a 36 point n 75 games season) until he suffered torn ACL and MCL ligaments in the Spring of 2016, but he has been a shadow of his former self since then.

  53. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I’m no Russell fan, but I take him every day & thrice on Sunday before Michael Stone

  54. Primetime says:

    RonnieB: I hope Tippett and Playfair don’t make a pitch for Stone based on his Arizona career. It was tracking very well (including a 36 point n 75 games season) until he suffered torn ACL and MCL ligaments in the Spring of 2016, but he has been a shadow of his former self since then.

    I would imagine that Holland feels he has enough competition already for bottom pairing RHD:

    Benning, Russell, Jones, Bear, Persson (note not all RHD but can play R side)

    I think barring a potential top pairing RHD becoming available via trade, he is happy to go to camp with these options and focus on 3rd line C or another cheap scoring winger.

  55. Victoria Oil says:

    Is it just me or do others take some comfort in the Shattenkirk and Stone buyouts knowing that other teams have dead money due to Chia-like mistakes?

    Schadenfreude – it’s a thing.

  56. dustrock says:

    Shattenkirk should automatically be the captain wherever he plays because his name is a combination of Shatner and Kirk.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    I can’t believe we are in to August and pretty much all the high end RFAs remain unsigned – Marner, Point, Rantanen, etc.

    Of course, like the “Nurse-level d-men” from last off-season, once one signs, the dominoes will likely fall, however, there are some elite level talent that’s unsigned.

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    GertaRauss:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I was basing my calculations off of Larry Brooks tweet regarding Buchnevic and the Rangers buyout window- he corrected himself yesterday.

    Damn weekends LoL

    Fair enough and I appreciate your thoughts on all things Oilers/hockey.

  59. Jethro Tull says:

    dustrock:
    Shattenkirk should automatically be the captain wherever he plays because his name is a combination of Shatner and Kirk.

    But his hockey moniker would be ‘Shats’. Can’t hold any authority with a name like that.

  60. Reja says:

    Victoria Oil:
    Is it just me or do others take some comfort in the Shattenkirk and Stone buyouts knowing that other teams have dead money due to Chia-like mistakes?

    Schadenfreude – it’s a thing.

    Your not a fan if you don’t get satisfaction from other teams misery especially the hated Flames.

  61. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I can’t believe we are in to August and pretty much all the high end RFAs remain unsigned – Marner, Point, Rantanen, etc.

    Of course, like the “Nurse-level d-men” from last off-season, once one signs, the dominoes will likely fall, however, there are some elite level talent that’s unsigned.

    Which is why it it ludicrous that the owners can be found culpable of collusion but the millionaire players and their agents are allowed to orchestrate their strategies however they like.

  62. Side says:

    defmn: Which is why it it ludicrous that the owners can be found culpable of collusion but the millionaire players and their agents are allowed to orchestrate their strategies however they like.

    I am just curious, what do the players being millionaires have to do with anything?

  63. Darth Tu says:

    Oilman99: There is every indication that Yamamoto could be the new Pitlick. It could be a stretch his size and weight could derail his NHL hopes.

    Only time will tell on the injury front. I did like Pitlick as well.

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tippett expressly lists Haas and Khaira as two options for 3C – Says he’s spoke to JJ a bunch of times this season and Khaira is all for giving C a shot as its in his background.

    Yup, give him a shot, however, from the past few years, he hasn’t been very good a C and better on the wing. From not being great at 4C to being an option for 3C would be a solid jump.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    Would love to see Cooper Marody “pop” and earn than 3C spot on merit.

    Tippett says he’s been able to watch alot of tape on Bakersfield.

  66. defmn says:

    Side: I am just curious, what do the players being millionaires have to do with anything?

    The laws regarding collusion between business owners and unions were set up to protect those unable to defend themselves from predatory bargaining practices. The law was an effort to level the playing field.

    When you are dealing with millionaire employees that is no longer the case since they can afford just as expensive representation and lawyers as the owners can. Allowing the players to collude through the PA – which is a union for legal purposes – while the owners cannot tips the bargaining process in exactly the opposite direction.

    imo

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    I heard Tippett say earlier that he’d “prefer” Russell on his left side but, now, listening to him on Oilers Now from earlier in the week, he was a bit more firm than that saying he’s “always been high on” d-men playing their natural side and has watched Russell and wants him on the left.

    I don’t think he’s thinking of Russell as a legit option for 2RD which is nice to hear – of course, he may have little choice if everyone fails.

    That doesn’t bode well for Lagesson starting the year as an Oiler (as Russell would be 3LD, presumably)

  68. Material Elvis says:

    defmn: Which is why it it ludicrous that the owners can be found culpable of collusion but the millionaire players and their agents are allowed to orchestrate their strategies however they like.

    When were the owners found culpable of collusion? What evidence is there that players and agents are colluding? It seems like they are following the CBA as it is written and signing fair market value contracts…..

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tippett keeps calling Kharia “JJ” and, for some reason, I love it.

    I’m not thinking that JJ is going to take some strides this year and solidify himself as a legit middle 6 player – he’s going to have a huge value contract.

    He was becoming that player two years ago but last year injuries derailed his season – he never got traction from what I saw.

    Big year from JJ coming up.

  70. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I can’t believe we are in to August and pretty much all the high end RFAs remain unsigned – Marner, Point, Rantanen, etc.

    Of course, like the “Nurse-level d-men” from last off-season, once one signs, the dominoes will likely fall, however, there are some elite level talent that’s unsigned.

    Not that strange considering the GM’s are reeling from sticker shock. Once they finally come to terms that these guys are all going to be $8-10M AAV’s, they will all be signed within a week of each other. September 10th-15th last year was a very busy time for trades and signings and I expect the same thing to unfold this year.

  71. treevojo says:

    defmn: The laws regarding collusion between business owners and unions were set up to protect those unable to defend themselves from predatory bargaining practices. The law was an effort to level the playing field.

    When you are dealing with millionaire employees that is no longer the case since they can afford just as expensive representation and lawyers as the owners can. Allowing the players to collude through the PA – which is a union for legal purposes – while the owners cannot tips the bargaining process in exactly the opposite direction.

    imo

    So who was nylander colluding with last year as he sat out by himself?

  72. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Tippett keeps calling Kharia “JJ” and, for some reason, I love it.

    That’s his nickname — the players have been calling him that for years OP.

  73. defmn says:

    Material Elvis: When were the owners found culpable of collusion?What evidence is there that players and agents are colluding?It seems like they are following the CBA as it is written and signing fair market value contracts…..

    The owners have never been charged with collusion to my knowledge but with Eagleson as the PA rep there was certainly strong suspicions and before that with Campbell I think there is little doubt that the owners enjoyed a massive power imbalance.

    As to the PA colluding it is my understanding that there is no restriction on sharing information or exercising ‘common front’ strategies for arbitration hearings etc. cherry picking cases based upon best case scenarios. None of that is illegal for unions while it is for the owners as far as I am aware.

    I never said they were in contravention of the CBA. Union – owner negotiations allow unions far more ability to share information and strategize together than owners are allowed. When guys are making living wages compared to rich owners this makes sense to me. Not so much when the two sides are both financially as well off as is the case with the NHL and the NHLPA.

  74. defmn says:

    treevojo: So who was nylander colluding with last year as he sat out by himself?

    I have no idea what this means.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    MaterialElvis: That’s his nickname — the players have been calling him that for years OP.

    Yes, of course, I know that.

    Tippett doesn’t seem to be using the nicknames of other players when he speaks about them, including players he’s coached in the past and knows well but used it numerous times with Khaira. Just something I liked to hear.

    Anyways, about Khaira – he’s going to be a big middle 6 player for this team this year.

    Go JJ!

  76. Side says:

    Material Elvis: That’s his nickname — the players have been calling him that for years OP.

    OP is having a

    “We landed on the moon??? WE LANDED ON THE MOON!” moment.

  77. Harpers Hair says:

    Reja: Your not a fan if you don’t get satisfaction from other teams misery especially the hated Flames.

    Worth noting Calgary now has $2.3M in dead cap space…the Oilers almost $5M

  78. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Would love to see Cooper Marody “pop” and earn than 3C spot on merit.

    Tippett says he’s been able to watch alot of tape on Bakersfield.

    A coach who like watching tape in the film room is almost always better than one who spends his time running ironman’s.

  79. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Harpers Hair: Worth noting Calgary now has $2.3M in dead cap space…the Oilers almost $5M

    Boooooo

  80. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I heard Tippett say earlier that he’d “prefer” Russell on his left side but, now, listening to him on Oilers Now from earlier in the week, he was a bit more firm than that saying he’s “always been high on” d-men playing their natural side and has watched Russell and wants him on the left.

    I don’t think he’s thinking of Russell as a legit option for 2RD which is nice to hear – of course, he may have little choice if everyone fails.

    That doesn’t bode well for Lagesson starting the year as an Oiler (as Russell would be 3LD, presumably)

    The more Tippett talks hockey or strategy the more I like from watching game film of the big club and Bakersfield to putting players in a position to succeed.

  81. Side says:

    Harpers Hair: Worth noting Calgary now has $2.3M in dead cap space…the Oilers almost $5M

    You seem to have forgotten to include Lucic’s contract in Calgary’s number.

  82. Material Elvis says:

    godot10: A coach who like watching tape in the film room is almost always better than one who spends his time running ironman’s.

    Is this a thinly veiled shot at someone?

  83. Material Elvis says:

    Side: You seem to have forgotten to include Lucic’s contract in Calgary’s number.

    Beat me to it!

  84. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Worth noting Calgary now has $2.3M in dead cap space…the Oilers almost $5M

    Least we don’t have to pay Tkachuk 8×7. The Tkachuk camp will torture the Flames GM for every cent Its in the family’s genes.

  85. godot10 says:

    Material Elvis: Is this a thinly veiled shot at someone?

    The trauma is deep. Only an extended period of contending can bring any healing from the wounds inflicted by the dementor and #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach.

  86. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Darth Tu: I’m more than happy for Yamamoto to get a shot in the top 6 – after he’s completely crushed it in the AHL.By crushing it I mean playing well and producing consistently, night in, night out until Christmas.

    My hopes are high for Kailer to make it in the NHL, but first and foremost, let’s put him in a position to succeed.

    How about crush it for a full year?

  87. Darth Tu says:

    godot10: A coach who like watching tape in the film room is almost always better than one who spends his time running ironman’s.

    What we need now is to combine these two things so we end up with a super coach.

    Someone who spends his time in a room, watching movies featuring Ironman.

  88. treevojo says:

    defmn: I have no idea what this means.

    And I have no idea how you came to the conclusion the rfas on different teams with different owners are colluding under the current nhl cba.

  89. frjohnk says:

    godot10: The trauma is deep.Only an extended period of contending can bring any healing from the wounds inflicted by the dementor and #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach.

    Watch the Ducks go from being among the teams with the most man games lost due to injury to an incredibly healthy roster and ride Gibson to the playoffs.

    Eakins nominated for coach of the year.

  90. treevojo says:

    If waiting for market value to be established is considered collusion then I guess we aren’t going to agree on the subject.

  91. defmn says:

    treevojo: And I have no idea how you came to the conclusion the rfas on different teams with different owners are colluding under the current nhl cba.

    Oh, because player agents have said it on numerous occasions. It is not illegal for unions to do this. It is normal. I just don’t think that it should be part of the bargaining process when it involves millionaires.

    Perhaps the misunderstanding is about the word. It is usually used in connection with illegal activities since it is illegal for companies to do this but the word just means “To have secretly a joint part or share in an action; to play into each other’s hands; to conspire; to act in concert.”

    The players act in concert through the PA. I mean how many times have you read that the PA leaned on a player to file for arbitration when he had a good case that would set precedent etc. That is collusion.

  92. defmn says:

    treevojo:
    If waiting for market value to be established is considered collusion then I guess we aren’t going to agree on the subject.

    If the agents are waiting for the strongest case to be settled – Marner from all reports – then that is basically the definition.

  93. duct tape and foil says:

    Russell is a great 4/5 LHD who is simply overpaid by a million or so. Not the end of the world by any means. Just a bit of bad negotiating by Chiarelli. Play him in that role and he is an asset and will be able to hold the fort on either side of the 2nd pair for 10 game stretches. Just don’t expect him to do it for a full year.

    Khaira and the team both need him to make the jump to 3C. Good news is that Granlund and Archibald may be wingers who can help that happen. We need 3rd and 4th lines who can simply break even and this line may be able to do it against tougher opposition. We will see. Cave centering the 4th line with whoever to create 10 minutes of non-event hockey works for me as well.

    I’m more worried about the top 6 to be honest and not the wingers. Conner and Leon have to center their own lines and have to be better defensively for us to win. Sure you can put Drai and McDavid together when you need a goal, but long term, they have to drive their own lines and play decent defense. Time for these guys to grow up and play a mature game which is what will get us into the playoffs.

    2RD is an accident waiting to happen. You can start Benning and pray, but how many times has that worked out over the past 20 years. Zero is a number that comes to mind. We have a bit of cap space and might be able to deal Gagner for more space. If you can convince Shattenkirk to come for a year and $4 or $5 millkion then you have to make it happen. Either that or deal for Gudas if Philly want to sign Shattenkirk.

  94. Harpers Hair says:

    Side: You seem to have forgotten to include Lucic’s contract in Calgary’s number.

    Brandon Manning: $2.25 M
    Kyle Brodziak: $1.15 M
    Sam Gagner: $3.15 M
    Gagner scored 13 points last season.
    Looks like another $6 M in dead money to me.

  95. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    tileguy: Try telling that to the analytical crowd.

    You mean the analytics crowd who use”relative to team mates” results to account for team strength and who have determined that who a player plays with is the single largest variable in player performance?

  96. OilClog says:

    You have McDavid, you have a chance. If shattenkirk improves the team, you do it.

  97. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Side: You seem to have forgotten to include Lucic’s contract in Calgary’s number.

    /thread

  98. OilClog says:

    Eakins way only works in the minors, demands of men fall on deaf ears when cried from the lips of a demeanor.

  99. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    defmn: The laws regarding collusion between business owners and unions were set up to protect those unable to defend themselves from predatory bargaining practices. The law was an effort to level the playing field.

    When you are dealing with millionaire employees that is no longer the case since they can afford just as expensive representation and lawyers as the owners can. Allowing the players to collude through the PA – which is a union for legal purposes – while the owners cannot tips the bargaining process in exactly the opposite direction.

    imo

    The NHL is closed market cartel that has negotiated that 50% of HRR goes to player salaries.

    Collusion in the open market should be strongly prosecuted but in regards to the NHL you’re barking up the wrong tree.

    The whole business model of the NHL (and most North American sports leagues) is collusive by nature and agreed to by the labour via the CBAs of the respective leagues.

  100. godot10 says:

    frjohnk: Watch the Ducks go from being among the teams with the most man games lost due to injury to an incredibly healthy roster and ride Gibson to the playoffs.

    Eakins nominated for coach of the year.

    That is more than a microaggression. You are trying to provoke my post-dementor-stress-disorder and make me go postal.

  101. Reja says:

    OilClog:
    Eakins way only works in the minors, demands of men fall on deaf ears when cried from the lips of a demeanor.

    Established NHLers aren’t going to put up with a Goofball.

  102. defmn says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The NHL is closed market cartel that has negotiated that 50% of HRR goes to player salaries.

    Collusion in the open market should be strongly prosecuted but in regards to the NHL you’re barking up the wrong tree.

    The whole business model of the NHL (and most North American sports leagues) is collusive by nature and agreed to by the labour via the CBAs of the respective leagues.

    I think that is what I said except it is not legal for the owner of the Toronto Maple Leafs or any of its management to contact the owner or management of the Colorado Avalanche to discuss how they will bargain with Marner and Rantanen in their current contract negotiations.

    There is no such prohibition on either of their agents or the PA. They can share any information they choose to or, to use my original word, they are allowed to collude by labour law.

    Or at least that is how it was always explained to me when I was involved in contract negotiations between unions and management. The CBA doesn’t have anything to do with it. It is labour law.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: If the agents are waiting for the strongest case to be settled – Marner from all reports – then that is basically the definition.

    I’m sorry but, with respect, no it isn’t

  104. rickithebear says:

    The primary responsibility of defencemen is defence according to Holland, Tippett, Playfair.

    When watching a lot of Russell’s shifts,
    Nurse is not in the screen view of HD area.
    I chalk that up to 3-1-1-1 structure or Nurse pressing Forwards outside the HD area on the perimeter. Not a good idea when HD area shots go in 500% more than (perimeter) LD shots.

    I get so bothered by the concept of Corsi as any measure of a player.
    1. You must recognize that the success rate of entry for NZ trapped pocession is much diffrent than non NZ trap. Which greatly affects corsi.
    You must adjust for that.

    2. The entry rate of opps FO win in our DZ ( their OZ) is 100%.
    The entry rate of opps from DZ & OZ FO win is greatly reduced.
    Must adjust for expected corsi from Zone based FO rates.

    3. The largest affect on any players corsi is on the fly bench change with or without pocession.

    Last year:
    Dman; games; shifts; on the fly starts, % of shifts on the Fly (SOTF)
    Nurse, 82gm, 2306 shifts, 1164 sotf, 50.48%
    Larsson, 79gm, 2243 shifts, 1141 sotf, 50.87%
    Russell, 72gm, 1858 shifts, 997 sotf, 53.66%
    Klefbom 61gm, 1695 shifts, 759 sotf, 44.78%
    Benning, 70gm, 1499 shifts, 895 sotf, 59.71%
    Gravel, 36gm, 752 shifts, 455 sotf, 59.71%
    Sekera, 24gm, 548 shifts, 322 sotf, 58.76%
    Jones, 17gm, 434 shifts, 242 sotf, 55.76%
    Manning, 12gm, 239 shifts, 138 sotf, 57.74%

    50-60% of Entry & corsi against is affected by (SOTF) shift on the fly with or without pocession.

    Wonder which coach did not trust the match-up risk of on the fly changing of Klefbom?
    Hitchcock?
    Both?

  105. rickithebear says:

    50-60% of Entry & corsi against is affected by (SOTF) shift on the fly with or without pocession.
    Entry & Corsi is also dependent on variance from NZ trap & No NZ trap.
    What! Currently a 60-75% inaccurate Measure of corsi.

    Do you understand why I laugh when it comes to measuring a player on any Data dependent on
    1. FO & on fly with or without pocession.
    2. Knowning that Corsi For is driven by Forwards who are 4 times more likely to get a goal than Dmen.
    3. Understanding the difference when dmen are asked to defend entry in a 1-1 GA structure or 2-1 GA structure, While hoping for a NZ trap to be run.

  106. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m sorry but, with respect, no it isn’t

    I have to admit I didn’t think I was saying anything controversial when I posted this but apparently it is so it must be the word ‘collude’ that is the problem?

    “To have secretly a joint part or share in an action; to play into each other’s hands; to conspire; to act in concert.” is the definition my google search gives me. How is that not what agents and the PA do?

  107. rickithebear says:

    What did my shift and on the fly post show.
    Corsi against data is
    50-60% dependent on shift on the fly (SOTF) with or without pocession.
    10-15% of corsi is dependent on NZ trap or none.
    Potential of being 60 – 75% wrong data.

    Break the entry & corsi Analysis down to the proper resolution then you might get a real answer!
    Russell is a drag LMFAO!

    PS: Dmen are 4 times less likely to be involved (G, 1A, 2A) in generating a goal at even than forwards.

  108. rickithebear says:

    LT:

    When the site logs me out and requires me to re log in.
    If I go home and click on the post again it goes back to showing me logged in.

  109. Lowetide says:

    rickithebear:
    LT:

    When the site logs me out and requires me to re log in.
    If I go home and click on the post again it goes back to showing me logged in.

    Is anyone following you?

  110. rickithebear says:

    Girard 5M in 20-21
    17-18 73gm
    3 evg, 7eva 10 evp -11
    1 ppg 12 ppa 13 ppp
    18-19 82gm
    4 evg 14 Eva 18 Evp +8
    9 ppa
    Last 2 yr 7 evg 28 Evp -3

    Russell 4M in 20-21
    17-18 78gm
    4 evg 15Eva 19evp -7
    18-19 72gm
    3 evg 12 Eva 15 Evp +5
    1sha
    Last 2 yr 7 evg 34 evp -2

    Shattenkirk
    17-18 46gm
    3 evg 8 Eva 11evp -14
    2 ppg 10ppa 12 ppp
    18-19 73gm
    1evg 20 Eva 21evp -15
    1ppg 6 ppa 7 ppp
    Last 2 years 4 evg 32 Evp -29

    Wanting a -14 to -15 dman is bat shit crazy unless all the GA are to his partners side.
    Which would be counter to Prior years video evidence.

    We know Corsi data can be 60 to 75% inaccurate.
    SOTF 50-60%
    NZ trap 10-15%
    So evg & Evp is most reflective of off driving for dmen

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    ducttapeandfoil:
    Russell is a great 4/5 LHD who is simply overpaid by a million or so. Not the end of the world by any means. Justa bit of bad negotiating by Chiarelli. Play him in that role and he is an asset and will be able to hold the fort on either side of the 2nd pair for 10 game stretches. Just don’t expect him to do it for a full year.

    Khaira and the team both need him to make the jump to 3C. Good news is that Granlund and Archibald may be wingers who can help that happen. We need 3rd and 4th lines who can simply break even and this line may be able to do it against tougher opposition. We will see. Cave centering the 4th line with whoever to create 10 minutes of non-event hockey works for me as well.

    I’m more worried about the top 6 to be honest and not the wingers. Conner and Leon have to center their own lines and have to be better defensively for us to win. Sure you can put Drai and McDavid together when you need a goal, but long term, they have to drive their own lines and play decent defense. Time for these guys to grow up and play a mature game which is what will get us into the playoffs.

    2RD is an accident waiting to happen. You can start Benning and pray, but how many times has that worked out over the past 20 years. Zero is a number that comes to mind. We have a bit of cap space and might be able to deal Gagner for more space. If you can convince Shattenkirk to come for a year and $4 or $5 millkion then you have to make it happen. Either that or deal for Gudas if Philly want to sign Shattenkirk.

    Tippett spoke about Khaira being in the battle for 3C – issue is that Khaira has been better as a winger and has stuggled when tried at 4C, let alone 3C. Yes, solid wingers would indeed help. I’m rooting for Khaira or Marody. Haas is always mentioned by the coach but I will need to see if he’s even an NHL player.

    Leon’s 200-foot game took off last year after Hitch “fixed him” – he was a different player the last few months of the season. Much of that was with McDavid but he really plays center when on the pair. Unless Leon regresses in that area, I’m confident he can handle center duties on any line.

    Tippett did mention Leon/McDavid as a pair earlier this week – I doubt we see them on separate lines in the 1st period October 2.

    Benning actually has very very good numbers when playing up the lineup over the years and good numbers with Klefbom. Given your thoughts on Cave based on analytics…..

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: Brandon Manning: $2.25 M
    Kyle Brodziak: $1.15 M
    Sam Gagner: $3.15 M
    Gagner scored 13 points last season.
    Looks like another $6 M in dead money to me.

    Manning will be buried – subtract $1.075M
    Brodziak will be buried – subtract $1.075M (if he isn’t, he’s beat out many others for a spot and likely value).
    Gagner produced those points in 25 games and was 5th on the team in P/60 with almost zero McDavid time – he’s not actually far off value if he can continue

  113. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide: Is anyone following you?

    What?

    As others have stated the site shows a need to re log in after a comment on post.
    I get that too.

    Instead of relogging in.
    I click home which takes me to your daily list of posts.
    Then re- enter that days post and it shows me logged in again and ready for comment.

    Quite strange!

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: I have to admit I didn’t think I was saying anything controversial when I posted this but apparently it is so it must be the word collude that is the problem?

    “To have secretly a joint part or share in an action, to play into each other’s hands, to conspire, to act in concert.” is the definition my google search gives me. How is that not what agents and the PA do?

    That is not descriptive of the “acts” you attributed to collusion.

    Point’s agent advising his client to hold off on signing to see what Marner signs for as the high market set is not collusion among agents – they are not acting in concert.

  115. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: That is not descriptive of the “acts” you attributed to collusion.

    Point’s agent advising his client to hold off on signing to see what Marner signs for as the high market set is not collusion among agents – they are not acting in concert.

    No that is not collusion. Point’s agent contacting Marner’s agent and them discussing numbers and timing etc. is collusion and as far as I know that is perfectly legal. Unlike if it were Toronto’s management phoning Florida’s management.

    What am I missing because as I said I never thought I was stating anything other than common knowledge. This is what agents do and the PA most definitely advises players when and when not to go to arbitration based upon what they see as beneficial for their membership. I don’t think there is any question about that.

  116. CallighenMan says:

    Harpers Hair: Worth noting Calgary now has $2.3M in dead cap space…the Oilers almost $5M

    </blockquot

    dsf be gone!!! hey, whatever happened to that powerhouse Wild team you used to “harp” about??

  117. CallighenMan says:

    Side: You seem to have forgotten to include Lucic’s contract in Calgary’s number.

    hahaha!

    Like it centurion! Like it, like it!

  118. Jethro Tull says:

    I think some here should remember the difference between immoral and illegal.

  119. Jethro Tull says:

    CallighenMan: hahaha!

    Like it centurion! Like it, like it!

    Marvelous race, the Romans.

  120. rickithebear says:

    OriginalPouzar: Manning will be buried – subtract $1.075M
    Brodziak will be buried – subtract $1.075M (if he isn’t, he’s beat out many others for a spot and likely value).
    Gagner produced those points in 25 games and was 5th on the team in P/60 with almost zero McDavid time – he’s not actually far off value if he can continue

    Yes sir!
    His 8.00+ PPGF/60 makes him a PP1 unit option with
    Draisaitl 16 ppg
    Mcdavid 9 ppg
    RNH 8 ppg
    Chaisson 8ppg
    Neal 16-17 & 17-18avg 7 ppg

    With Tippett talking Mcd & Drai playing full pp
    Acswitch of RNH & Chaisson to Neal, Gagner May not be much worse.
    Unlike other teams PP1 versus PP2

    Healthy full player Gagner has been
    14-15 ARZ 81gm 9 evg 20 Eva 29 evp -28
    16-17 CBJ 81gm 10 evg 22eva 32 Evp +10
    17-18 VCR 79gm 7 evg 13 Eva 20 Evp -18
    18-19 EDM 25gm 5 evg 5 Eva 10 Evp -3
    In 3.3125 seasons he averaged
    9.9 evg 18.1Eva 28 evp -11.8

    Holland wants double digit goal scorers.
    Our PP seems pretty clear
    Mcd
    Drai
    RNH
    Chai
    Neal
    Gag

    Holland wants double digit from forwards at even
    Neal avg 15 evg last 3 seasons
    Gagner avg 9.9 evg last 4 healthy seasons of games

    18-19
    Kassian 14
    Chiasson 13
    Archibald 12
    Granlund 10

    17-18
    Khaira 10 evg
    Puljujarvi 10 evg
    Jurco 29gm 6 evg 10 Evp

    That is 12 forwards to have shown double digit season production in last 2 seasons.

  121. CallighenMan says:

    Side: You seem to have forgotten to include Lucic’s contract in Calgary’s number.

    hahaha!

    Like it centurion! Like it, like it!

    Harpers Hair: Brandon Manning: $2.25 M
    Kyle Brodziak: $1.15 M
    Sam Gagner: $3.15 M
    Gagner scored 13 points last season.
    Looks like another $6 M in dead money to me.

    uh, Gagner score 13 pts in how many games ? TROLL

  122. Pescador says:

    Jethro Tull: Marvelous race, the Romans.

    Yeh, but what have the Romans ever done for us?

  123. CallighenMan says:

    Jethro Tull: Marvelous race, the Romans.

    The Romans ?!? What ‘av they ever given us????

  124. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: Worth noting Calgary now has $2.3M in dead cap space…the Oilers almost $5M

    Ha ha, nope. We just sent them another $5.25M in dead cap space.

  125. Pescador says:

    Lowetide: Is anyone following you?

    rickithebear: What?

    He means from the gov’t
    Are you being watched?

  126. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    defmn: I think that is what I said except it is not legal for the owner of the Toronto Maple Leafs or any of its management to contact the owner or management of the Colorado Avalanche to discuss how they will bargain with Marner and Rantanen in their current contract negotiations.

    There is no such prohibition on either of their agents or the PA. They can share any information they choose to or, to use my original word, they are allowed to collude by labour law.

    Or at least that is how it was always explained to me when I was involved in contract negotiations between unions and management. The CBA doesn’t have anything to do with it. It is labour law.

    I get that, but arguing about collusion in a North American sports league is minutia in regards to what collusion can mean to open markets.

    Their market is closed with the total amount spent on players being pre-determined.

  127. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    rickithebear:
    What did my shift and on the fly post show.
    Corsi against data is
    50-60% dependent on shift on the fly (SOTF) with or without pocession.
    10-15% of corsi is dependent on NZ trap or none.
    Potential of being 60 – 75% wrong data.

    Break the entry & corsi Analysis down to the proper resolution then you might get a real answer!
    Russell is a drag LMFAO!

    PS: Dmen are 4 times less likely to be involved (G, 1A, 2A)in generating a goal at even than forwards.

    Think Tyler will sue you for mentioning OTF shifts?

  128. Scungilli Slushy says:

    frjohnk: Watch the Ducks go from being among the teams with the most man games lost due to injury to an incredibly healthy roster and ride Gibson to the playoffs.

    Eakins nominated for coach of the year.

    And then the Oilers kick their butts big time beaucoup in the playoffs. And Yama hits Getzlaf and discontinues his series.

  129. Wonder Llama says:

    Jethro Tull:
    I think some here should remember the difference between immoral and illegal.

    …and fattening.

  130. defmn says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I get that, but arguing about collusion in a North American sports league is minutia in regards to what collusion can mean to open markets.

    Their market is closed with the total amount spent on players being pre-determined.

    The closed market does impose limits for sure. The extent to which this practice pushes the cap higher is a longer discussion that I suspect is of more interest to me than anybody else so I will just drop it. 😉

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: No that is not collusion. Point’s agent contacting Marner’s agent and them discussing numbers and timing etc. is collusion and as far as I know that is perfectly legal. Unlike if it were Toronto’s management phoning Florida’s management.

    What am I missing because as I said I never thought I was stating anything other than common knowledge. This is what agents do and the PA most definitely advises players when and when not to go to arbitration based upon what they see as beneficial for their membership. I don’t think there is any question about that.

    There is no indication that that is happening and, if it is, unless its happening with the express consent of their clients, those agent’s are risking losing their licences and criminal prosecution.

  132. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    defmn: The closed market does impose limits for sure. The extent to which this practice pushes the cap higher is a longer discussion that I suspect is of more interest to me than anybody else so I will just drop it.

    Oh, don’t stop. This is the fun stuff.

    Also,

    Salaries *can’t* push the cap higher.

    In an open market it would escalate all salaries.

    In a closed cartel like the NHL where minimum total salary paid is mandated it will just re-distribute that money.

    Older marginal guys get less.

    Young high end players with their best years in front of them get more.

  133. Munny says:

    defmn,

    I’m just getting caught up on the thread, and personally, I would like to thank you for your posts today.

    I’m not sure how much effect it is having on the actual market–some to be sure–but definitely not as much as the actual CBA and it’s structure (and both parties collude to negotiate their side anyhoo). And probably not as much as say actual monetary inflation.

    The funny thing about the PA is the majority of their membership earns at the lower end of the pay scale, yet these are the members they seem least interested in caring for.

  134. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Precisely. On all points.

  135. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: In an open market it would escalate all salaries.

    In a closed cartel like the NHL where minimum total salary paid is mandated it will just re-distribute that money

    Unless you take on insured contracts on purpose, reach the cap floor and pay your players nothing, not caring if you ice a competitive team or not.

    I’m not sure if other GMs hate Dorien, but Melnyk is getting the Wiserhood clap at the next owners junket.

  136. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ‘Shatty’ doesn’t move the dial forward for the Oilers.

    Another defensive suspect is the opposite of what they need.

    A better Benning, a player that can simply retrieve and move the puck forward, making solid reads and allowing the forwards to move the puck to the O zone and help keep it there.

    Disruption, entry, keeping possession and having enough skill to capitalize is the game in a nutshell, and that sounds dirty. Dirty good hockey.

  137. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny:
    defmn,

    I’m just getting caught up on the thread, and personally, I would like to thank you for your posts today.

    I’m not sure how much effect it is having on the actual market–some to be sure–but definitely not as much as the actual CBA and it’s structure (and both parties collude to negotiate their side anyhoo).And probably not as much as say actual monetary inflation.

    The funny thing about the PA is the majority of their membership earns at the lower end of the pay scale, yet these are the members they seem least interested in caring for.

    I don’t see many oppressed coal miners and abused workers in their ranks.

    In my neck of the woods I see guys that have done pretty well for themselves, even those not playing in the NHL.

    This isn’t the Eagleson, old school era of hijacked players. People that want to be pro athletes are gambling, rolling the dice, let them fall where they may.

  138. Harpers Hair says:

    CallighenMan: hahaha!

    Like it centurion! Like it, like it!

    uh, Gagner score 13 pts in how many games ?TROLL

    32
    A good comparable in terms of age, size and cap hit would be the Flames Derek Ryan.
    He scored 38 points but also was a very effective third line centre.
    If Gagner could duplicate that he would be worth his cap hit.

  139. frjohnk says:

    godot10: That is more than a microaggression.You are trying to provoke my post-dementor-stress-disorder and make me go postal.

    Ha ha. Im trying.

    I know where you stand with Eakins and I was not a fan of his time as Oiler coach.

    But with that said, I have heard nothing but good things about him as the Gulls coach. This is coming from a player.

  140. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: Is anyone following you?

    pretty much spit out my beer with that comment.

  141. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I suppose you’ve all encountered the piece with the former NHL defenensman talking about how the Oilers have been using man on man D while after the last lockout, nobody does because you can’t obstruct enough.

    Eakins swarm which is a layered D, McL, Hitch who may not have wanted to change the system but may have also liked it, all used man on man.

    We should expect and HOPE Tippet puts in a user friendly system that sees goalies hit career norms, skaters hit them. And overall morale and consistent team play.

    Taxing a young team with advanced tactics was clearly an ill conceived plan.

    I expect much better things. If it’s the same shit show, yikes.

  142. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Think Tyler will sue you for mentioning OTF shifts?

    🔥

  143. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I wish no ill will, bad things on competitors.

    But I couldn’t care less if they aren’t as good as the Oilers and fail miserably. Might actually make happy.

    I’m glad Treliving and Benning have followed up good decisions with meathead decisions. I hope Holland doesn’t. I hope every team in the league is stupid except the Oilers for a change.

    I care about 100% zero what the other teams do. I just want to beat them and no team currently has the book on right.

    It has to be an organic rise to the top, the Oilers have everything they need to do that.

  144. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk:

    Love you too Padre!

  145. Material Elvis says:

    frjohnk: pretty much spit out my beer with that comment.

    Me, too. The entire LT, Ricki, Pescador thread is gold.

  146. oilsnc79 says:

    Material Elvis: Me, too.The entire LT, Ricki, Pescador thread is gold.

    Love it…

  147. Jethro Tull says:

    So thought I’d leave this until bedtime, didn’t want to derail the thread. Some pure gold today. Cheered me up.

    My Mum, Dad and my Sister and her family have lost everything.

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/31/inside-homes-ruined-horrific-flooding-north-yorkshire-10495206/

  148. duct tape and foil says:

    OriginalPouzar: Tippett spoke about Khaira being in the battle for 3C – issue is that Khaira has been better as a winger and has stuggled when tried at 4C, let alone 3C.Yes, solid wingers would indeed help. I’m rooting for Khaira or Marody.Haas is always mentioned by the coach but I will need to see if he’s even an NHL player.

    Leon’s 200-foot game took off last year after Hitch “fixed him” – he was a different player the last few months of the season.Much of that was with McDavid but he really plays center when on the pair. Unless Leon regresses in that area, I’m confident he can handle center duties on any line.

    Tippett did mention Leon/McDavid as a pair earlier this week – I doubt we see them on separate lines in the 1st period October 2.

    Benning actually has very very good numbers when playing up the lineup over the years and good numbers with Klefbom.Given your thoughts on Cave based on analytics…..

    Sure Leon has made progress but McDavid/Drai GF/GA numbers apart were not pretty. Not sure about the 2nd half split for Leon but yes he did improve under Hitch. I know it’s heresy to critique McDavid, but he’s got to up his defensive game to match his offensive brilliance. A goal prevented = a goal scored.

    Agree you go with Benning at 2RD if there are no other options and maybe 2nd toughs with Klef in an offensive role is the strategy. Maybe even the best one under the circumstances. But I’d be a heck of a lot more comfortable with a more proven 2RD as we are totally fracked if Larsson gets hurt.

  149. Reja says:

    frjohnk: Ha ha.Im trying.

    I know where you stand with Eakins and I was not a fan of his time as Oiler coach.

    But with that said, I have heard nothing but good things about him as the Gulls coach.This is coming from a player.

    Eakins was the worst coach in Oilers history he derailed many a career. There’s sometimes one coaches suckhole ( spy) was it Captain Ference saying warm and fuzzy things about pretty boy Eakins.

  150. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Jethro Tull:
    So thought I’d leave this until bedtime, didn’t want to derail the thread. Some pure gold today. Cheered me up.

    My Mum, Dad and my Sister and her family have lost everything.

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/31/inside-homes-ruined-horrific-flooding-north-yorkshire-10495206/

    Jethro Tull:
    So thought I’d leave this until bedtime, didn’t want to derail the thread. Some pure gold today. Cheered me up.

    My Mum, Dad and my Sister and her family have lost everything.

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/31/inside-homes-ruined-horrific-flooding-north-yorkshire-10495206/

    Sorry to hear about that. All the best to them.

  151. treevojo says:

    defmn: If the agents are waiting for the strongest case to be settled – Marner from all reports – then that is basically the definition.

    Nope

    I’m pretty sure that is considered negotiating within the terms of the current collective bargaining agreement.

  152. treevojo says:

    defmn,

    Just out of curiosity what is it that you think rfas with arbitration rights use to come to there conclusion with regards to their salairies between team and player?

  153. Victoria Oil says:

    In no other field that I can think of, do ’employees’ enjoy the benefits of both collective bargaining and individual negotiations to the extent that professional athletes do.

  154. Gerta Rauss says:

    Jethro Tull,

    best wishes to the family

    that looks like quite a mess

  155. JimmyV1965 says:

    duct tape and foil:
    Russell is a great 4/5 LHD who is simply overpaid by a million or so. Not the end of the world by any means. Justa bit of bad negotiating by Chiarelli. Play him in that role and he is an asset and will be able to hold the fort on either side of the 2nd pair for 10 game stretches. Just don’t expect him to do it for a full year.

    Khaira and the team both need him to make the jump to 3C. Good news is that Granlund and Archibald may be wingers who can help that happen. We need 3rd and 4th lines who can simply break even and this line may be able to do it against tougher opposition. We will see. Cave centering the 4th line with whoever to create 10 minutes of non-event hockey works for me as well.

    I’m more worried about the top 6 to be honest and not the wingers. Conner and Leon have to center their own lines and have to be better defensively for us to win. Sure you can put Drai and McDavid together when you need a goal, but long term, they have to drive their own lines and play decent defense. Time for these guys to grow up and play a mature game which is what will get us into the playoffs.

    2RD is an accident waiting to happen. You can start Benning and pray, but how many times has that worked out over the past 20 years. Zero is a number that comes to mind. We have a bit of cap space and might be able to deal Gagner for more space. If you can convince Shattenkirk to come for a year and $4 or $5 millkion then you have to make it happen. Either that or deal for Gudas if Philly want to sign Shattenkirk.

    So you want McDavid and Drai to centres their own lines, yet you want to spend $4 to $5 mill on Shattenkirk instead of a winger. Hmm. Not sure how that would work.

  156. BONE207 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    So thought I’d leave this until bedtime, didn’t want to derail the thread. Some pure gold today. Cheered me up.

    My Mum, Dad and my Sister and her family have lost everything.

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/31/inside-homes-ruined-horrific-flooding-north-yorkshire-10495206/

    I promise not to complain about the mosquitoes anymore.

    Best wishes for your Fam, Jethro.

  157. Lowetide says:

    BONE207: I promise not to complain about the mosquitoes anymore.

    Best wishes for your Fam, Jethro.


    Man, that’s devastating. Heart goes out to those folks.

  158. Jethro Tull says:

    Thanks everyone. I know nearly everyone in those pics. That pub was my local. I just feel pretty useless here, that’s all.

    Talked with Mrs. Tull about going back. She, as ever, was the voice of reason. “Where would you stay? Nobody has a home. Who’d pick you up? No one has a car (the flood picked up the coal bunker and totaled my parents). People would put you up and pick you up, but they have bigger problems.”

    Still, there’s worse that happens at sea as they say.

  159. duct tape and foil says:

    JimmyV1965,

    If Adam Larssen gets hurt then Benning or Russell is our #1RD. We are not that exposed at any other position. Shattenkirk is not option A (or even option b) but if would sign a 1 year deal then I would buy the insurance no question.

  160. ArmchairGM says:

    duct tape and foil:
    JimmyV1965,

    If Adam Larssen gets hurt then Benning or Russell is our #1RD. We are not that exposed at any other position. Shattenkirk is not option A (or even option b) but if would sign a 1 year deal then I would buy the insurance no question.

    The problem with your plan is that Shattenkirk doesn’t provide much in the way of insurance for Larsson though. He’d be behind Benning on the depth chart no matter what. He’s been below replacement level each of the past two seasons while Benning has been well above.

    Shattenkirk GAR
    2017-18: -2.7
    2018-19: -0.9

    Benning GAR
    2017-18: +4.6
    2018-19: +10.3

    Also, Benning and Klefbom have played together in the past and have decent results together.

  161. ArmchairGM says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Thanks everyone. I know nearly everyone in those pics. That pub was my local. I just feel pretty useless here, that’s all.

    Talked with Mrs. Tull about going back. She, as ever, was the voice of reason. “Where would you stay? Nobody has a home. Who’d pick you up? No one has a car (the flood picked up the coal bunker and totaled my parents).People would put you up and pick you up, but they have bigger problems.”

    Still, there’s worse that happens at sea as they say.

    Thinking of your family, Jethro. I’m sure we all wish we could do something to help too!

  162. Bling says:

    Shattenkirk isn’t the answer to any question, not any more.

    People forget that a couple of years ago, when both were healthy, Klefbom/Larsson was one of the best D pairings in the NHL. A legit first pair.

    Now that Nurse has taken a step — and Benning, too — I think a return to the Nurse/Benning pairing is in the cards.

    Russell – Persson is your 3rd pairing, with Jones being rotated in.

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