Walls and Bridges

by Lowetide

If the Edmonton Oilers do sign Derick Brassard, it makes the 23-man roster far easier to project. Jujhar Khaira can move back to the wing, Kyle Brodziak and Colby Cave can fight for the No. 4 center job, and Cooper Marody can focus on making the team in multiple positions.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: Oilers end summer still shy on first-shot scoring wingers
  • Lowetide: Connor McDavid and optimal line chemistry: The Oilers need to abandon enforcer fixation and add a skill winger
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi’s biggest hurdles: Bad timing and the indifference of the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Projecting the Oilers 2019-20 Opening Night Lineup
  • Lowetide: Revisiting the Oilers’ 2016 draft and the opportunities missed
  • Lowetide: Examining the potential waiver-wire opportunities at hand for the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Cooper Marody’s utility gives him an edge for an Oilers roster spot in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s roster construction options for the Oilers over the next seven months.
  • Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto has the talent to win a job with the Oilers on merit, if he’s healthy.
  • Jonathan Willis: Jesse Puljujarvi still has upside and the Oilers’ patient approach is the right one
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Dave Tippett on rounding out his coaching staff, fixing Oilers’ special teams and using Connor McDavid
  • Lowetide: Handicapping the Oilers’ young defencemen and their chances of replacing Andrej Sekera
  • Lowetide: Is Kirill Maksimov progressing as the Edmonton Oilers’ next great hope for a true homegrown sniper?
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers ease pressure on crowded defensive pipeline by trading John Marino to the Penguins
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the 2021-22 Oilers might look like after their steady build toward contender status
  • Lowetide: Joel Persson is ideally situated to win an opening night roster spot with the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Projecting the Oilers’ opening night lineup, line combinations and more.
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ acquisition of James Neal could add badly needed scoring to the top two lines.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland puts his stamp on the Oilers with first big move in Lucic-Neal trade
  • Jonathan Willis: Ken Holland ends an ugly situation for the Oilers by trading Milan Lucic for James Neal
  • Jonathan Willis: Which Oilers defencemen can make an outlet pass?
  • Lowetide: Looking ahead to Oilers training camp: 35 players for 23 jobs
  • Jonathan Willis: Josh Archibald won’t fix the Oilers’ biggest problems, but he’ll help with some key issues.
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

PROJECTED ROSTER

Leon Draisaitl—Connor McDavid—Zack Kassian

James Neal—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Alex Chiasson

Markus Granlund—Derick Brassard—Josh Archibald

Jujhar Khaira—Kyle Brodziak—Sam Gagner

Colby Cave, Joakim Nygard

Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson

Darnell Nurse—Matt Benning

Kris Russell—Joel Persson

Caleb Jones

Mikko Koskinen (Mike Smith)

Brassard is an interesting player, and would definitely give Dave Tippett options. He isn’t a complete player (13:19 a night at evens, 1:35 on the power play but only five seconds on the PK) and his numbers have been eroding. He’s 48.1 percent on the dot.

So Brassard would get third line minutes and maybe second PP work. Could he score 15? Could he saw off the competition at 50 percent possession? That would be the ask, or the expectation. It’s a lot based on his 2018-19 season.

MORE JESSE

It’s on like Donkey Kong now, tweets and takes landing haymakers from the turnbuckle on young JP. I wrote a thread with a theory on twitter yesterday, idea being maybe there’s a deal already out there and this is the way (from the player side) to pressure Ken Holland.

I hope people understand he’s 21, and maybe remember when they were 21. Jesse Puljujarvi is doing what he thinks is best for his career, he is trying to find a better place in the sun. It’s going to be a difficult road for him now. He has no welcome signs should he return to Edmonton, and control over the coming season is in the hands of a manager known to slow play personnel decisions. He’ll get buried in this town, but not by me. I remember 21.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun, busy morning on TSN1260 beginning at 10. Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal has first lash, and we’ll discuss the Brassard and Puljujarvi stories. Chris Abbott from OddsShark.com will also be by to talk college football, CFL and NFL. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide twitter, all 90 minutes away!

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OriginalPouzar

Side: And it’s literally the slowest period of the offseason where the most exciting news is finding out who Derrick Brassard signs with.

Oh well. I guess some would rather have no conversationthan some off topic conversations.

I thought the most exciting news of the day was that Haas was at the airport, on his way to Edmonton?

jp

Munny:
Georgexs,

There are four teams on your list who managed to improve the number of top 6 scoring forwards by two players YOY, so it’s not impossible. Neal didn’t manage to be one last year but with different deployment, I don’t think he’s an unreasonable bet.The tough bit is imagining where the 6th player will come from.

Edit:

This analysis you’ve presented over the past few days has been excellent.Thank you for posting it.

Kassian should easily manage 34 if he stays with McDavid, no? 45 point pace in the 2nd half.

And Gagner always scores in that range (or rate). 50 points in 16-17 (we can ignore that). 74 games/31 points in 17-18. 34P/82. Last season 32 games/13 points. 33P/82. It wouldn’t be a stretch at all.

It will be tough to go from 4 to 6 players with 34, but individually each player could easily do it.

Side

Bag of Pucks: I thought we had a good adult debate. Respectful, civil and informative.

I guess I didn’t get the memo on how everyone is supposed to agree on everything now. Kum-ba-ya.

And it’s literally the slowest period of the offseason where the most exciting news is finding out who Derrick Brassard signs with.

Oh well. I guess some would rather have no conversation than some off topic conversations.

rickithebear

George XS:
Top 6 is a reference to even play.
Scoring is diffrent than pointing.

So you are looking at top 6 even goal production.

I looked at Pacific and Central rosters.

As well I presented the evg numbers for #31, #62, #93 C, LW, RW.
So looking at top 6 #62 higher evg forward on our team.
Drai #2 RW
Mcd #2C
RNH #31 C
Neal normally #15 LW
Kassian #37 RW
Chaisson #44 RW
Archibald #51RW
Granlund #60 LW
That is 8.

Jurco 1.02 evg/60 600+ min at this rate is top 60 winger.

Munny

Bag of Pucks,

Side,

You guys did, and I, for one, enjoyed reading it.

Bag of Pucks

Side: Not quite as annoying as self appointed forum police who don’t skip posts.

I thought we had a good adult debate. Respectful, civil and informative.

I guess I didn’t get the memo on how everyone is supposed to agree on everything now. Kum-ba-ya.

Side

Glovjuice: Please stop. This back and forth is annoying. And, both of you know this.

Not quite as annoying as self appointed forum police who don’t skip posts.

defmn

Georgexs:
The median 6F last season had 34 points. Total scoring in 18-19 was about the same as 17-18.

Question: The Oilers entered 18-19 with 5 potential top 6 forwards, based on the prior year’s scoring and they ended up getting top 6 production from just 4 forwards. How does this compare to other teams?

Team, # of top 6 forwards on roster based on 17-18 scoring*, # of top 6 forwards in 18-19

OTT, 5, 8

That one stood out for me.

And I would like to echo Munny’s remark. Excellent work the last few days and much appreciated.

Munny

Scungilli Slushy,

I don’t disagree with that. And I don’t mind your Mendoza line of must-be-clearly-better-than-what-we-have. Nice standard, in fact.

But I am concerned with the incumbent players’ reading of breaking TC with Marody at 3C and I think Old Dutch is too. I think Holland has little choice but to find better than a Marody-bet for that slot. At least we both know Brassard ain’t that guy.

Scungilli Slushy

Munny:
Scungilli Slushy,

I get your point, and think it is a reasonable stance.

What happens will probably somewhat depend on what Holland thinks of this coming season (actually thinks, not publically states).Is it a lost season before leaving the starting blocks? Then yes. invest in the future. (And I think that is precisely what you’re saying).

However I think there is some danger to that strategy, culture-wise.

Personally, I’d try to get a Sheahan or Eakin or Boyle or someone of that ilk onto the roster and debut Marody on the wing in a position with less consequence and responsibility.And hopefully over time, he steals the 3C’s lunch money.

I don’t think this is a lost season, it can be a good one.

I’m fine bringing in a player better than Marody and if possible do it .

I was getting at bringing in declining players that actually aren’t more helpful than Marody, and have no upside and won’t contribute more in the now. Use the at bats for future benefit if the short term results are equal . Of course it’s hard to predict if the results will be equal , but if the right things are in place risk is mitigated. Such as killing the AHL, having some bat and skill.

Munny

Scungilli Slushy,

I get your point, and think it is a reasonable stance.

What happens will probably somewhat depend on what Holland thinks of this coming season (actually thinks, not publically states). Is it a lost season before leaving the starting blocks? Then yes. invest in the future. (And I think that is precisely what you’re saying).

However I think there is some danger to that strategy, culture-wise.

Personally, I’d try to get a Sheahan or Eakin or Boyle or someone of that ilk onto the roster and debut Marody on the wing in a position with less consequence and responsibility. And hopefully over time, he steals the 3C’s lunch money.

rickithebear

Draisaitl played 82gm 1483 EVTOI
18:05 per game.
He had 888 with Mcd.
As previous yr check on past Nat stat pairs.
And
Some have recently commented.
890 min is a fair limit for range
10:51 of wing play on Mcd line
590 min playing 3C has fair impact
7:12 3C per game
Clearly covers 590/992 59.5% of 3C play.

End up with primary ( greater than 50% of avg position evTOI) play from
Drai #1W
Mcdavid #1C
RNH #2C
Drai #3C almost Every game.
These three should see large EVTOI and PP.
No PK.
How many players are a starting winger & center every game?

Munny

Georgexs,

There are four teams on your list who managed to improve the number of top 6 scoring forwards by two players YOY, so it’s not impossible. Neal didn’t manage to be one last year but with different deployment, I don’t think he’s an unreasonable bet. The tough bit is imagining where the 6th player will come from.

Edit:

This analysis you’ve presented over the past few days has been excellent. Thank you for posting it.

Georgexs

The median 6F last season had 34 points. Total scoring in 18-19 was about the same as 17-18.

The Oilers had just 4 forwards who crossed the 34 point mark. Our 6F was Lucic with 20 points, the lowest points total for a 6F across all teams.

Going into 18-19, we had 5 forwards who reached the 34 point mark the prior year (17-18):

CMD, 108
Drai, 70
RNH, 48
Lucic, 34
Strome, 34

Lucic ended up with 20. Strome had 2 points in 18 games before he was traded. Our 4th top 6 forward turned out to be Chiasson with 38 points.

Question: The Oilers entered 18-19 with 5 potential top 6 forwards, based on the prior year’s scoring and they ended up getting top 6 production from just 4 forwards. How does this compare to other teams?

Team, # of top 6 forwards on roster based on 17-18 scoring*, # of top 6 forwards in 18-19

ANA, 5, 4
ARI, 5, 4
BOS, 6, 6
BUF, 5, 4
CAR, 5, 5
CBJ, 6, 7
CGY, 7, 7
CHI, 5, 6
COL, 5, 5
DAL, 5, 3
DET, 5, 7
EDM, 5, 4
FLA, 6, 6
LAK, 5, 4
MIN, 5, 4
MTL, 5, 7
NJD, 3, 5
NSH, 7, 5
NYI, 6, 5
NYR, 7, 6
OTT, 5, 8
PHI, 6, 5
PIT, 7, 6
SJS, 7, 8
STL, 8, 6
TBL, 8, 9
TOR, 6, 8
VAN, 2, 3
VGK, 7, 7
WPG, 7, 6
WSH, 5, 7

* To determine each team’s roster at the start of the season, I looked at the forwards who played a game for the team in October and assumed that this was the team’s forward group to start the season.

Notes:

1. There’s a reasonable correlation between the two sets of numbers.

2. The only team (of 7) that had 4 or fewer top 6 forwards in 18-19 to make the playoffs was DAL; they tied for the lowest # of top 6 forwards with 3.

3. The only two teams that started the season with fewer than 5 top 6 forwards were NJD and VAN. Both missed the playoffs.

4. Of the 14 teams that had 5 top 6 forwards, only 4 made the playoffs.

5. And of the 15 teams that started the season with 6 or more top 6 forwards, 12 made the playoffs. The only 3 that didn’t were FLA, NYR, and PHI. Having 6 or more top 6 forwards seems to be a really good idea for teams wanting to make the playoffs.

So the number of top 6 forwards a team starts the season with seems to have some value in predicting if the team makes the playoffs. At least, it did last season. I’ll have to check prior seasons.

Not a great sign for the Oilers, who will be entering 19-20 with the same 4 top 6 forwards from last season. Neal didn’t hit the mark in 18-19. None of the new additions did either.

… Kind of killing my optimistic, brand new season vibe… hopefully, going back prior years offers more rays of hope…

Ha, there you go… NJD made the playoffs in 17-18 while entering the season with just 4 top 6 forwards. And 2 of them (Henrique and Johansson) didn’t even get back to top 6 status. Hall had a Hart-worthy season. They had 1OV Hischier and Jesper Bratt play to top 6 form. And then they got a platoon of 20+ point performances. That’s a recipe.

Scungilli Slushy

Munny: Well, we don’t know if Marody is as good as Brassard is today at the NHL level. Or at least I sure don’t.I’d put Brassard at about Gagner’s level.With a chance at being worse.

He’s not strong defensively, not strong in the dot, isn’t a RH shot, declining offense and doesn’t PK. I don’t think he’s a good fit.

True, to me is a top tier AHL skill player who is more than a goal suck going to be less effective than a lower tier NHL player?

To me they are going to do the same thing for the team, one has at least some potential upside.

Being a vet and still not getting things done at a head above water level doesn’t help. This has been the Oilers for years, acquiring players like that and finding they still suck as a team.

I’d invest in youth for a similar outscored player. Same result in the short term.

The caveat is the young player has the jam to do what it takes physically. To not be intimidated. Any player not willing to do that shouldn’t be in the NHL outside of elite skills.

Dee Dee

I read an article this summer might have been Matheson or Cult of Hockey that stated that Jesse Puljujarvi was running into his own players during the power play to the point where it was leading to goals against. Was one of the reason some of the players didn’t want him on the PP.

The coaches would spend hours explaining how they wanted him to play, driving to the net for example, and he would go out and do it once or twice and then revert back to his usual playing style.

If a player is not going to follow directions they are going to ride the bench alot.

I think he’s a great kid with skills and size but very stubborn.

I know playing time and which line you are playing versus results can be a chicken and egg thing but I have never believed in the old Mantra that a player has to play with specific other players to get results. If the key to unlocking Jesse is playing 20 minutes a game with McDavid and Draisaitl you can be certain that about 900 other players in the NHL believe that as well.

I hold no ill will for the player or the team in this situation. It’s just sad to see all that potential go to waste.

jp

Professor Q:
As an aside, the new jerseys actually look pretty cool.

When they’re official and in full uniform I think there will be a much better reception.

Mike Smith’s new pads are outrageously dangerous. Slick!

It wasn’t Laraque who tweeted them was it??

I like them too though (IF THEY’RE REAL!).

rickithebear

I look at our roster and I posted a fair distribution of
Mcdavids 1460 x 2 winger minutes
RNH (900 – 1270) x 2 winger minutes depending if RNH plays any wing this year.
Draisaitl s 590 x 2 3C minutes. 7:12 per game would be intelligent usage.
Drai players 10:51 per game at wing.

When we look at wingers best evg/60 in last 3 years.
Draisaitl 1.25
Neal 1.15
Jurco 1.02
Granlund .98
Gagner .95
Archibald .89
Khaira .80
Kassian .79
Chaisson .78

Their is veteran Winger evg potential with even 1C caliber slotting on
Mcdavids, RNH, Draisaitl 3C minutes wings.

Holland has made JP and all the AHL prospect moot pts.
Winning coaches like to roll veteran forwards who have shown top caliber production
And
Trustable positional Play.

Munny

Reja,

How Sather kept turning nothing into something was amazing. Truly was OC, Opposite Chia.

Reja

August 21,1981 Edmonton Oilers trade the rights of Don Murdoch to the Minnesota North Stars for
Don Jackson and a 1982 3rd round pick #59 overall (Wally Chapman)

Munny

Professor Q: I think it’s just the implication and fuel for the 31 other teams to use to perpetuate “Edmonton Sucks”.

sucks… on a boat?

😉

(because of the implication)

Professor Q

As an aside, the new jerseys actually look pretty cool.

When they’re official and in full uniform I think there will be a much better reception.

Mike Smith’s new pads are outrageously dangerous. Slick!

Munny

Scungilli Slushy: At this point is he any better than Marody? Why play vets that get outplayed over your own that will get outplayed but have upside?
Is he a better centre than Gagner?

Well, we don’t know if Marody is as good as Brassard is today at the NHL level. Or at least I sure don’t. I’d put Brassard at about Gagner’s level. With a chance at being worse.

He’s not strong defensively, not strong in the dot, isn’t a RH shot, declining offense and doesn’t PK. I don’t think he’s a good fit.

Professor Q

Munny: He is responding to you calling him arrogant. Also a personal shot.

I think he was talking about Jesse’s arrogance.

Professor Q

Munny:
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m pretty okay with Brassard signing elsewhere.

I think it’s just the implication and fuel for the 31 other teams to use to perpetuate “Edmonton Sucks”.

Scungilli Slushy

Munny:
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m pretty okay with Brassard signing elsewhere.

Completely.

At this point is he any better than Marody? Why play vets that get outplayed over your own that will get outplayed but have upside?

Is he a better centre than Gagner?

The only outside players I want, are better than the incumbents and playesr in the system, and aren’t expensive UFAs whom rarely work out, at least for long, because their best days are behind them in hockey.

I believe if players can be evaluated well, teaching and having patience will bring the biggest payoff.

The Oilers haven’t been able to do anything like that in ages and the results speak for themselves. And is reflected in the average fan’s opinions of the players.

Other teams don’t have better as much as they have done better, which makes players look better.

Holland is right in that stability and culture drive almost everything in NHL success to summize his talk so far.The playing field is so level in a capped league. No league is unscouted and all teams use stats, smart teams pay attention to them.

Culture (team attitude) and development are the real advantages. Forming what you have (getting ideal players is not freely available these days) into something helpful is probably the only thing not dependent on other teams, your competitors.

The real cost of Yak and JP is not dollars, it’s the burnt high draft picks that normally pay out in a quality player. Often impact player in the top 5. Yak’s draft year was a weak one for forwards admittedly.

Munny

OriginalPouzar: Wow, personal shots reeking of resentment.

He is responding to you calling him arrogant. Also a personal shot.

Munny

Walter Gretzkys Neighbour: Well done you!

Made me smile too,

HT Joe

Walter Gretzkys Neighbour: Well done you!

Thank you. 😀

And with that, I’m stopping before I stumble by typing something regrettable. Good night all!

OriginalPouzar

KingerOilredux:
OriginalPouzar,

– oh sorry I got disconnected from my first class pod which is the only way to travel before I land and check into my 5 star hotel and eat the best because that’s the only way to travel

– were you saying something?Arrogance?

Wow, personal shots reeking of resentment.

Please tell me how any of that is in any way related to telling another person they are wrong because they have a different opinion?

Feel free to talk about the gifts on you life if you can do so without disparaging others for having differing opinions.

rickithebear

dangilitis: The list of people who produce when played with McDavid is long
He didn’t earn 1st line minutes, nor did he earn top 6 minutes

I’m not one for character assassinations but there is no sugar coating what he’s said thus far.

You & jp in bed together.

JP was 1.16 evg/60 in 17-18

Drai got 890 with Mcd.
Another Wing could get 890
570 was what was left for 2 more wingers.

Players who got more EVTOI on Mcdavids wing.
Ranked by evg/60
Drai 888 1.62 evg/60
Caggulia 144.4 1.25 evg/60
——————————- 1.16 JP
Proper usage says play JP a good portion of 590 available.
Kassian 436.4 1.10 evg/60
RNH 418.6 1.00 evg/60
Chaisson 305.2 .79 evg/60
Rattie 247.5 .48 evg/60
Lucic 108 0.00 evg/60
Yamamotto 86.4 0.0 evg/60
Khaira 69 0.00 evg/60

Rolling Drai & Caggulia 850 made a lot of sense
Kassian & JP should see 450 min
RNH plays 2C were he was really needed.
Chiasson gets remaining 320 with Mcdavid
That is the .79+ wingers available to him.

That would have made sense.
It would have elevated Caggulias trade value

Then if you trade Caggulllia he gets you a heck of a lot more than what we got.

With Strome at C for rest jp minutes ends up 15-16 evg RW.

That is proper player mgmt and handling of a Prospect.

Holland and LT: say draft +5
I showed his history is 23 yr 35+ gm season debut.

Showing zholland would not think he is even close to a developed prospect.

Material Elvis

Kinger_Oil.redux:
OriginalPouzar,

– And maybe they are right amd pool will never be an elite winger. But I’m on team Pool. I say f-you Oilers. He’s right. Holly be grinding out a 3rd vs the 4th being offered for him. Good for him.

He has *no leverage* Kinger, so he isn’t right. Can’t you see this?

Walter Gretzkys Neighbour

HT Joe: As

Well done you!

Material Elvis

OriginalPouzar: My goodness, what arrogance to call other people “wrong” because they don’t think things will go they way you do.My goodness.

How the eff do you know that is wrong – you have no freaking way of knowing how he will be deployed.

As I said, sign, come to camp ready, listen to the coaches and work his ass off.You think if he does that and has success that he won’t be provided with top 6 minutes? Seriously?

Its up to the player to earn the top 6 minutes – if he signs and comes and works, its up to him and his performance. Ya, maybe he starts on the “3rd line” with Marody and Granlund. Work, listen, play and succeed and, ya, he’ll earn his way up.

What a joke that arrogance is.

Unreal.

Agreed. This is so obvious it’s painful. I feel like we are in bizarro world right now.

Munny

OriginalPouzar,

Kinger_Oil.redux,

Gents, you’ve wandered into personal territory.

HT Joe

Walter Gretzkys Neighbour: The guy is not coming back here.

Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

😉

Material Elvis

Kinger_Oil.redux:
Material Elvis,

– Read the quotes from spring training last year and how awesome he was. Then look at how he was deployed in regular season. He right to feel aggrieved and based on Oiler complex treatment and narrative he needs to look out for number one because when Neal gets more props by order of magnitude from press and management than pool it’s time to move on

– sorry pool is right. Amd even if He isn’t actually top6 he’s still right to want to leave

I watched him at training camp — he was good. Guess what? That doesn’t mean shit if he can’t carry it over into the regular season. His regular season performance was mediocre at best.

No he isn’t right to want to leave.— that’s a quitter’s mentality and I am strongly opposed to it. I prefer a stubborn ass who wants to prove everyone wrong. Either way, he won’t be a top 6 player on any other team so I don’t know what your point is.

Munny

I don’t know about you guys, but I’m pretty okay with Brassard signing elsewhere.

Kinger_Oil.redux

OriginalPouzar,

– oh sorry I got disconnected from my first class pod which is the only way to travel before I land and check into my 5 star hotel and eat the best because that’s the only way to travel

– were you saying something? Arrogance?

Munny

defmn,

Thank you for this clarification. Outstanding post.

Munny

Walter Gretzkys Neighbour,

This is how we know it’s summer, lol.

Dead mules gonna get beat.

Munny

Side: Oh, my misunderstanding then.

Well, probably would’ve helped if I had prefaced my response, with “I agree…”. So it’s on me too.

Munny

Glovjuice: Please stop. This back and forth is annoying. And, both of you know this.

Stunningly ironic.

Kinger_Oil.redux

Walter Gretzkys Neighbour,

– I actually don’t know if he great. I’m quite clear on that. I think he could be. But my defence is for Pools actions. Which is totally correct

– and Edmonton they are actually correct in their behaviour based on how they rate pool

– I just object strenuously to the msm treatment of pool however. And in this case I hope when they move him he is deployed properly and becomes elite.

– night night.

OriginalPouzar

KingerOilredux: – your wrong. Another year with the same deployment as last year and he’s signing for league minimum like Magnus. He thinks he’s better than how he’s been deployed.He thinks that.The oil don’t agree.If I’m Pool I want to go somewhere else.

– it’s extremely naive and devoid of reality for pool or you to think he just needs to sign show up and earn his minutes. He has no indication that he won’t be anything other than scratch 4liner because Neal Chiasson Kassian etc. No one has told him he’s part of the future.

– he knows the drill. He’s sunk here. Holland has his guys and the only ears he have tell him he’s sh$t.

– No one is fighting for pool. MSM in Edmonton is Epstein level facilitator for their whims. They get what they want.

My goodness, what arrogance to call other people “wrong” because they don’t think things will go they way you do. My goodness.

How the eff do you know that is wrong – you have no freaking way of knowing how he will be deployed.

As I said, sign, come to camp ready, listen to the coaches and work his ass off. You think if he does that and has success that he won’t be provided with top 6 minutes? Seriously?

Its up to the player to earn the top 6 minutes – if he signs and comes and works, its up to him and his performance. Ya, maybe he starts on the “3rd line” with Marody and Granlund. Work, listen, play and succeed and, ya, he’ll earn his way up.

What a joke that arrogance is.

Unreal.

OriginalPouzar

I am not wrong – I never said anything about his ice time, i spoke about his linemates and opportunities with strong linemates – his most common linemate was Lucic – that was a mix of 1st to 3rd line. His 2nd and 3rd most common linemates were McDavid and Nuge, 1st and 2nd line.

The coaches were too quick to mix lines up during games, however, he started many of his games in the top 6 – didn’t necessarily finish there but lots of ice in the top 6.

Walter Gretzkys Neighbour

I for one am exceptionally tired of every single post here turning into a “Puljujarvi is great-Puljujarvi sucks” debate that devolves into essentially an argument eerily reminiscent of and as informative as the old “I know you are but what am I” format of discourse..

Enough already. It’s all opinions. The guy is not coming back here.

I recall a similar polarized rants about Yakupov.

Kinger_Oil.redux

OriginalPouzar: In order save his career and increase earnings he has to play hockey and, likely, play hockey in the NHL – everything he has said and done (including on his behalf by his advisers) has decreased his ability to do that.

The best way to do that is to sign his QO, come to camp, listen and do what he’s told and compete his ass off at camp and during the regular season.

– your wrong. Another year with the same deployment as last year and he’s signing for league minimum like Magnus. He thinks he’s better than how he’s been deployed. He thinks that. The oil don’t agree. If I’m Pool I want to go somewhere else.

– it’s extremely naive and devoid of reality for pool or you to think he just needs to sign show up and earn his minutes. He has no indication that he won’t be anything other than scratch 4liner because Neal Chiasson Kassian etc. No one has told him he’s part of the future.

– he knows the drill. He’s sunk here. Holland has his guys and the only ears he have tell him he’s sh$t.

– No one is fighting for pool. MSM in Edmonton is Epstein level facilitator for their whims. They get what they want.