2019-20 Game Nine: Oilers at Jets

The Oilers and Winnipeg Jets played four times in 1979-80, the first season for both teams in the world’s finest hockey league. Winnipeg won the first two, and the teams played to a draw in the final game. The third contest, played February 1, 1980, had everything: a hat-trick by Wayne Gretzky, a goalie start by a man named Jim Corsi, a big game by Stan Weir, an Oilers EV, SH and PK goal in the span of 2:33 in the first period, a fight involving Dave Semenko and Jimmy Mann, and a goal by a Jets forward (Willy Lindstrom) who would one day play for the Oilers. Madness. Beautiful madness.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, there is a Puck Drop Special offer here.

  • New Lowetide:  Oilers recall Sam Gagner to bolster offensive depth, option Gaetan Haas
  • Jonathan Willis: Can the Oilers afford to pursue Taylor Hall in free agency?
  • Lowetide: There are many similarities between this year’s Oilers team after seven and the 2016-17 team that made the playoffs. Similarities, differences and the work that needs to be done.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: That was pretty sick’: What teammates and opponents are saying about Connor McDavid’s latest goal
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘I’m gonna bring a bigger bag with me’: Oilers rookies learn about life on the road in the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A deep dive on the Oilers’ bottom six, which needs to produce more offence
  • Lowetide: Ethan Bear’s early success with the Oilers and what it might mean at the trade deadline
  • Jonathan Willis: How well are the solutions to key Oilers weaknesses working?
  • Dom Luszczyszyn: Is the Oilers’ hot start for real?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ Oscar Klefbom playing tough minutes with inexperienced partners — and looking good doing it
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘He’s addicted to getting better’: What the Oilers are saying about Connor McDavid’s amazing start
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers who could win (or lose) NHL jobs early in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Several unproven players are earning NHL jobs and increasing roster quality and depth. No balance photo, but some traction early.
  • Daniel and Jon: Ten bold (and not so bold) predictions for the Oilers this season
  • Corey Pronman: Oilers No. 9 farm system.
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

OILERS IN OCTOBER

  • Oilers in October 2015: 3-6-0, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in October 2017: 3-5-1, goal differential -8
  • Oilers in October 2018: 4-3-1, goal differential -4
  • Oilers in October 2019: 7-1-0, goal differential +10

Imagine a better start than 2016! It’s damned near impossible, and yet here we are. This year’s Jets are a truly strange brew. The team’s record is 4-5-0 and Winnipeg has lost three in a row. They’ll be desperate.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN OCTOBER

  • At home to: Vancouver, Los Angeles (Expected: 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: NYI, NJD, NYR, CHI (Expected 2-1-1) Actual (3-1-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia, Detroit (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: Winnipeg, Minnesota (Expected 1-1-0)
  • At home to: Washington, Florida (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Detroit, Columbus (Expected 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 7-1-0, 14 points after 8 games

A win tonight and the Oilers exceed my projections with five games to go. There’s regression coming, we all know it. That said, this has been a tremendous run to start the season.

OILERS 2019-20

I will be tracking “total players deployed” this season, as I believe Edmonton is on the verge of breaking the franchise record. If Ken Holland’s verbal matches his transactions, we’ll be seeing some of the kids after Christmas, and the deadline should also see a shuffle.

Currently, the number of Oilers who have dressed and played this season stands at 25, with William Lagesson and Sam Gagner possibly playing on this road trip. That would mean 27 players by Halloween night. A fun thing to follow.

CONDORS

Bakersfield was sloppy in the first period, recovered, and then gave up a late goal to lose last night against Stockton. Jay Woodcroft can’t be pleased, but then again his roster shuffled mightily in the 24 hours before the game (Lagesson, Gagner up, signing of Cody Corbett). There’s a mid-week game to come and I expect the roster players will be hungry for a win. Colby Cave destroyed Martin Pospisol in a fight that would have earned him instant recall 25 years ago.

BOUCHARD

Evan Bouchard turns 20 today, he’ll celebrate by visiting 50+ dwellings to preview his future. In all seriousness, he’s a mature looking 20, and he will eventually become a big part of the Edmonton defense. Don’t be fooled by mistakes in Bakersfield, the AHL is a different league and there’s better structure in the NHL. What Bouchard needs to work on are things like quick reaction, recognizing danger and handling dump ins effectively. He isn’t going to stop chaos, but recognizing danger before it happens (and driving that danger to the outside) are things he needs to improve.

SAM GAGNER

Samwise is back. I wrote about him at The Athletic last night (link above) and do believe he’ll have an impact if he gets playing time. Dave Tippett shortens his bench during important times in the game, so Gagner will have to make hay during the game states where a goal is required. Tippett’s attention to the game score is refreshing. If he needs a goal, his deployment is wildly different than his shutdown forces.

LAGESSON

As such, I’ll be interested to see, should Lagesson play, how much trust the coach has in him. Lagesson’s defensive play is excellent, I think (not alone in this but the belief isn’t universal either) that the young Swede has a chance to be an integral part of the Oilers future.

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  1. drglen says:

    jake70: I noted last year, with Lucic that they had the top 5AAV players on PP1 – same this year swapping Lucic for Neal. I take Nuge off and put on Bear or Chiasson. That “Letestu spot” is begging for a righty shot to set up shop.

    yes, that’s it.. the “letestu spot”

  2. Reja says:

    drglen:
    Lowetide,

    ? ? uh… are we watching the same game. ?at least three misses point blank in the slot from winnipeg.I don’t remember a single quality chance for the oilers. Tight checking game though… you might call it a ‘western conference’ style game… not sure such a distinction exists anymore… but let’s call it a big body, possession, dump and chasegame, and we’re not up to it so far. This is, what our 3rd line (Sheehan Khaira and _______) is supposed to do, so let’s see them step.Let’s see Khaira step up here.This is a very telling game.

    We could see line shakeups even to start 2nd.Jurco to 3rd, or 2nd, Khaira down.

    Bear’s booming slap shot From the slot with nobody in the vicinity was the best chance by either team in my opinion.

  3. Gerta Rauss says:

    You’d think Gagner might be able to fill that RH shot on the PP but Nuge would have to sit, and with how little the 2PP sees the ice I’m not sure that’s going to fly

  4. drglen says:

    no space for macdavid tonight.. its’ like a triangle surrounding him.

  5. drglen says:

    3rd line passed over

  6. Munny says:

    Manning continuing to show flashes of un-badness*.

    *glove tap to Gerta

  7. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss: the 2PP

    Who?

  8. Munny says:

    That Nugian toe drag should have had a goal on the end of it

  9. Ice Sage says:

    drglen:
    no space for macdavid tonight.. its’ like a triangle surrounding him.

    Jets are parking the bus, not a bad strategy given their D

  10. drglen says:

    nurse guilty there..

    elevate minutes for granland russell jurco.. that line has life. Nuge’s line has no life tonight at all.

  11. Reja says:

    Why would Nurse not think the Jet player would be on him that fast.

  12. Gerta Rauss says:

    Randorf with the sure hex on the Oilers PK

  13. Rebillled says:

    my circular muscle that normally maintains constriction of a natural body passage or orifice and which relaxes as required by normal physiological functioning…slightly fixed, fastened and closed firmly.

  14. ArmchairGM says:

    jp: As Oilclog mentions he’s a PPG player over that span.

    Virtually identical to Panarin and Tavares who are making $11M+.

    Maybe none of them are/will be close to worth their contracts, but it’s the going rate (and more than a couple of teams are willing to pay it).

    Virtually identical?

    Panarin: 90-159-249
    Tavares: 115-130-245
    Hall: 71-118-189

    … since the trade. Sure, you can argue the GP is the reason for the discrepancy, but GP has been an issue for all of Hall’s career, I can’t see in changing for the better into his 30’s.

  15. Munny says:

    Billy Ranford’s dyslexic son with the PK hex

  16. drglen says:

    nice kill.. good positional saves

  17. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny:
    Billy Ranford’s dyslexic son with the PK hex

    LoL

  18. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Have a feeling tonight’s a loss. Still will be a good start to the season either way

  19. Gerta Rauss says:

    Nuge is fire today he just can’t cash

  20. drglen says:

    oil looking better

  21. Munny says:

    Jets collapse to the slot like the 1977 Montreal Canadiens

  22. Gerta Rauss says:

    oh Archie

  23. Munny says:

    I’m happy when the bottom 6 just gets a Corsi event,

    #LoweredExpectations

  24. drglen says:

    sick play by bear there… didn’t amount to anything.. but slick.

  25. Reja says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Have a feeling tonight’s a loss. Still will be a good start to the season either way

    The Black Cloud went three hours south.

  26. Gerta Rauss says:

    SN just posted that with 4min left in the 2nd period McDavid’s line has 1 shot on net

    It’s tight out there

  27. drglen says:

    slash to mcdavid? I guess he kinda did.. not too smart.

  28. Gerta Rauss says:

    Smith with several big saves on this PK

  29. drglen says:

    smith saves us. They were buzzing.

  30. Bulging Twine says:

    I like the camera height.
    Low enough to see the details
    High enough to see the ice

  31. Gerta Rauss says:

    Edm PP coming up

  32. Bulging Twine says:

    Bear consistently makes a good play with the puck

  33. BeerMe says:

    make up call

  34. BeerMe says:

    Smith has had about 3 or 4 cringeworthy moments playing the puck, we’ve been lucky there haven’t been any gaffes.

  35. Gerta Rauss says:

    BeerMe:
    make up call

    little bit , yeah

    :46 PP to start the 3rd period

  36. drglen says:

    game is there.. winnable. Oilers have weathered the storm.

  37. OilClog says:

    ArmchairGM: Virtually identical?

    Panarin: 90-159-249
    Tavares: 115-130-245
    Hall: 71-118-189

    … since the trade. Sure, you can argue the GP is the reason for the discrepancy, but GP has been an issue for all of Hall’s career, I can’t see in changing for the better into his 30’s.

    Since trade.

    MVP’s – Hall.

    A injured hand, misdiagnosed fragments.. Burn it down.

  38. Munny says:

    LT, whatever you do, don’t flip to the football game…

  39. Reja says:

    drglen:
    slash to mcdavid?I guess he kinda did.. not too smart.

    I see it differently Mcdavid was sticking up for Russell so was nurse who embarrassed Wheeler when he chickened out of a fight. Good bonding moment in my opinion.

  40. Lowetide says:

    After Two:

    No score
    15-12 Oilers shots (10-8 Jets shots in the second)
    24-20 Oilers five-on-five Corsi (16-7 Oilers in the second)
    ==

    Fun period. Oilers need a goal from a depth line or a PP snipe to my eye, they’re closer to McDavid than I was to Mrs Lowetide on our first five dates.

  41. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    This is important for people who like xGF% (I’m luke-warm on it given that CF% is better at predicting future goal share in a majority of spots)

    A tweet from @evolvingwild:

    Revisiting the NHL’s tracked locations since 10/16/19, it appears coordinates for unblocked shots are more in line with expectations (compared to ’18/19). There have only been 32 games since the update, but already we see the distribution of shot distance has shifted. https://t.co/xN2I0AyCFP

    https://twitter.com/EvolvingWild/status/1186072212895424514?s=19

  42. Munny says:

    I would ask for that Laine Special Stick to have its curve checked.

  43. drglen says:

    nuts.

  44. drglen says:

    soft soft soft call

  45. ArmchairGM says:

    OilClog: Since trade.

    MVP’s – Hall.

    A injured hand, misdiagnosed fragments.. Burn it down.

    And yet, somehow he’s missed fewer games in NJ than he did in Edmonton. After a decade, he’s started to develop a history…

  46. BeerMe says:

    now THAT is a weak call

  47. Munny says:

    That is as ticky tack a penalty as it gets

  48. Munny says:

    Horrible pass by Archie

  49. Gerta Rauss says:

    weak sauce

    Oilers gonna have to kill 1:40

  50. steelymac17 says:

    Pathetic call.

  51. BeerMe says:

    smith can save us or he can sink us, depends if he’s playing the puck or standing on his head

  52. Gerta Rauss says:

    Smith again on Laine…wow

  53. Munny says:

    Absolutely stunning read by Smith on that save

  54. Munny says:

    Silly silly long passes again.

  55. drglen says:

    maybe this is an overtime game

  56. drglen says:

    Chaisson… it was there.

  57. Munny says:

    How Drai knew where Kassian was in the neutral zone there is beyond me.

    L1 has one of their best shifts.

  58. Nix says:

    It’s just uncanny how every time the puck leaves Kris Russell’s stick it comes immediately right back at him.

  59. drglen says:

    Laine coming close and getting extra shifts here..

  60. ArmchairGM says:

    This game and vs Detroit: PP1 has suddenly gone flaccid, Oilers struggling to score any other way.

  61. drglen says:

    mcdavids line getting more minutes too.

  62. drglen says:

    Time to move Jurco back with Nuge… .. not enough help on that line for 93 and Jurco has looked the strongest of the support cast.

  63. Munny says:

    Need to get at least a Bettman out of this standoff

  64. drglen says:

    arghhhhhh 29 and 44 NOT AWARE .. missed that guy coming in. That was a preventable goal.. bad defense . That’s on zak and leon

  65. drglen says:

    offside… luck lucky break

  66. Gerta Rauss says:

    offside

    no goal

    tee hee

  67. Munny says:

    Thank you replay booth thank you gords

  68. Munny says:

    Great shift from the Granny group

  69. drglen says:

    4th line good shift. tipp plays a hunch.

  70. McSorley33 says:

    Our top line ….wakes wakes.

  71. drglen says:

    ooh slick save smith

  72. drglen says:

    Dangit Khaira… that’s enough… sit him or send him down.

  73. steelymac17 says:

    Just let them fuckin play stripes!!!!

  74. Gerta Rauss says:

    Khaira holding

    another PK coming up

  75. Munny says:

    Is it every second holding-the-stick calls that they make or every third?

  76. drglen says:

    ooh… .. how about a shortie from archibold?

  77. Munny says:

    Archie channels Rusty with that block

  78. Gerta Rauss says:

    another nice kill

    whew

  79. drglen says:

    biting nails

  80. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    The Oilers have looked mildly interested all night.

  81. Lowetide says:

    Fun game!

  82. drglen says:

    I’m picking Kassian on the breakaway to win it.

  83. drglen says:

    2nd star for smith regardless

  84. McSorley33 says:

    Incredible ….we are lucky to just ice the puck

  85. drglen says:

    watch out for connor, he’s been free all night long.

  86. Munny says:

    The Grannies have done well again

  87. Munny says:

    Zero forecheck from the Jets. All five skaters behind the centre line

  88. drglen says:

    gotta win draws here boys.

  89. drglen says:

    nice win bear vs Sheifle

  90. StixMalone says:

    Bettman point

  91. Munny says:

    Bear on Scheifele. Love it.

  92. Gerta Rauss says:

    I thought all the Reider’s look good tonight, just one of those games when nothing goes in (literally)

    I like Drai in OT

  93. drglen says:

    Earned Bettman point… Even game. Great chance for oil to steal this one!

  94. duct tape and foil says:

    Ethan Bear emerging right before our eyes. Nice job of Scheifele.

  95. Jurco Nutmeg says:

    Bear’s a beaut.

  96. drglen says:

    oooh missed

  97. McSorley33 says:

    Ethan Bear is incredible……this is almost too good to be true.

    Owns Scheifle in a one on one battle down low…

  98. drglen says:

    oooh nuge misses

  99. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    McDavid has to burn that stick…

  100. drglen says:

    arggh..

  101. Munny says:

    Drai you gotta shoot one of those

    #killerinstinct

  102. drglen says:

    many chances.. we should have had it.

  103. Professor Q says:

    Draisaitl needs to shoot. They know you’re passing to McDavid and they know if they don’t intercept it doesn’t matter because McDavid has come down with Horcoffitis.

  104. Gerta Rauss says:

    duplicate 2 on 1’s for Drai and McDavid and the puck skips over Connor’s stick both times

  105. drglen says:

    Munny:
    Drai you gotta shoot one of those

    take the shot your a 50 goal scorer!!!!!

  106. Munny says:

    What an OT though

  107. drglen says:

    Nuge just won the selke

  108. StixMalone says:

    Wow

  109. drglen says:

    ohh man what a pass

  110. Munny says:

    Scheifele with an ungordly move and then CMD on the break both stopped wow

  111. drglen says:

    best overtime I’ve ever seen.

  112. godot10 says:

    drglen:
    Nuge just won the selke

    Nuge doing the Ben Watson.

  113. Gerta Rauss says:

    frantic action right ’til the buzzer

    what a hockey game

  114. Munny says:

    One of the best scoreless OTs you will ever see.

  115. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Man… Smith been crashed into three times in two minutes… is his groin going to hold up?

  116. PokeCheck says:

    Do both goalies get credited with a shutout when this happens?

  117. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    That’s game

  118. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss: frantic action right ’til the buzzer
    what a hockey game

    Intense tight hard fast

    systems systems systems by both teams

    And then a most glorious wide open OT.

  119. Professor Q says:

    McDavid has unfortunately broken his non-back-to-back pointless streak.

    But, here’s to a win, hopefully!

  120. drglen says:

    Dang… Connor and Laine school us in the shootout!

  121. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Jets deserved that win. Drai and McDavid looked absolutely gassed.

  122. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Is it weird to say that McDavid seems snake bit?

  123. Gerta Rauss says:

    That’t too bad

    great game, not a great result

    on to Minny

  124. Munny says:

    They can have the coin flip at home. I’m happy.

    That was one of the most enjoyable 0-0 games I’ve seen the Oil play in a while.

    These two would make a helluva playoff series.

  125. Halfwise says:

    Everyone got their money’s worth tonight.

    And Bear has been a revelation. Very encouraging.

  126. Professor Q says:

    McDavid and Draisaitl need to shoot when they’re on an advantaged breakaway, not defer.

    Hopefully McDavid snaps out of his Horcoff Era.

  127. duct tape and foil says:

    McDavid had like 4 chances to win that on his own. Not one of his better games shooting.

  128. Derek says:

    Winnipeg was the better team tonight, but man did they get away with a few, especially in OT. Oh well, that’s the way she goes.

  129. Harpers Hair says:

    Oilers deserved to lose.
    Bear was an absolute beast.

  130. drglen says:

    Happy with a well earned 1 point tonight… Winnipeg was the slightly stronger team overall.. Smith held us in.

  131. drglen says:

    Bob and Jack…. also speculating on Jujar’s future…

  132. russ99 says:

    Connor was gassed most of OT and in the shootout, Tippett needs to cut the top line’s icetime.

  133. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    If that’s what Smith can do then we are in every game he starts.

  134. drglen says:

    russ99:
    Connor was gassed most of OT and in the shootout, Tippett needs to cut the top line’s icetime.

    +1 very good point. He was… so was Klefbom. Not enough support.

  135. Munny says:

    Pouzar,

    Was there anything happening in the Jet barn last night?

    I thought the ice was shit for this one.

  136. hags9k says:

    That goal line to red line backhand sauce from the German Gretzky was just awesome.

    Smith was fantastic!!

    Connor looks like he has a cold maybe.

    Good road point!

  137. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Oilers deserved to lose.
    Bear was an absolute beast.

    Said the Canuckle fan that booed Team Canada off the ice against the evil commies.

  138. drglen says:

    I’d be interested in tipps post game… if he is forthcoming.

    Chaisson just not cutting it with Nuge….

    Can you put Jurco with Sheehan and Patrick Russel as your third line, forget about a 4th line. I’d say put Gange with Nuge at this point, until we can buy somebody.

    Khaira needs to go down. Sorry, this is his kind of game and he just could not get it done…. He’s gotta sit.

  139. Johnny skid says:

    Reja: Said the Canuckle fan that booed Team Canada off the ice against the evil commies.

    That dude seems more of a flames fan to me.

  140. Munny says:

    I thought Smith’s save percentage was decent tonight.

  141. Andy Dufresne says:

    PokeCheck:
    Do both goalies get credited with a shutout when this happens?

    If a game is tied 0-0 at the end of overtime, both goaltenders are credited with a shutout, regardless of which team wins the shootout or how many shootout goals are scored. … The losing team has one goal-against added to its season total.

  142. McSorley33 says:

    Professor Q,

    Agreed.

    They came back from battle with all bullets safely still in the gun.

    As you also mentioned, teams know Drai wants to pass to McDavid.

  143. Munny says:

    Professor Q: Draisaitl needs to shoot.

    One of them. Defenders won’t play the odd-man fairly fi the shot threat isn’t there. The second one he had the space because of the pass on the first one. So shoot.

    Edit: That said, I thought Drai made approximately a gazillion smart plays tonight. He’s a wonder. A Wunder.

  144. Reja says:

    Munny:
    I thought Smith’s save percentage was decent tonight.

    Smith deserved better to bad we didn’t cash in OT we had so many chances. It’s so nice to finally have competent goaltending. Playoffs Baby.

  145. Southern Oil says:

    Munny: One of them.Defenders won’t play the odd-man fairly fi the shot threat isn’t there.The second one he had the space because of the pass on the first one.So shoot.

    You’re both right of course. On the same point though – Winnipeg PP. The opposing team knows they are going to Laine for the one timer. Saw Smith take a quick half second look during one kill, to see where Laine was. Right after that – the cross ice pass. Smith anticipated it beautifully and made the stop.

  146. Munny says:

    Southern Oil,

    Lol. well I was agreeing with him.

  147. duct tape and foil says:

    Well it’s a work in progress but the 4th lines CF% was over 90 for two out of the 3 guys. So yeah I might try Sheahan with Jurco and Russell. We need a 3C and a 2LW pretty badly and it might be time to pull up Benson or make a trade.

  148. Munny says:

    Southern Oil,

    And you’re correct about Laine, same thing. Have to change things up to keep D and tending honest.

  149. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Oilers deserved to lose.
    Bear was an absolute beast.

    Where do you go on the nights we win?

  150. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: Where do you go on the nights we win?

    We?

  151. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Oilers deserved to lose.
    Bear was an absolute beast.

    Did DSF just compliment an Edmonton Oiler?!?!?!?! It is a Christmas miracle!

  152. Genjutsu says:

    leadfarmer: Where do you go on the nights we win?

    Those woodland creature’s don’t torture themselves.

  153. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: We?

    Yes
    You are on an Oilers blog in case you haven’t noticed
    You somehow missed the left to the Canucks blog and landed here

  154. yeraslob says:

    Looks like Calgary is interested in playing hockey (tie game) after that embarrassing display last night.

  155. Munny says:

    leadfarmer: the left

    Perfect.

  156. Munny says:

    Special teams and goaltending can get you in the playoffs.

    But to convert this start to the season, right now the Oilers desperately need a third line.

    More than 2LW. More than they need Hall, and cheaper. It’s all about matchups. They need a real 3rd line desperately.

    Staal, as several here have suggested, is an excellent target.

  157. Reja says:

    Munny:
    Special teams and goaltending can get you in the playoffs.

    But to convert this start to the season, right now the Oilers desperately need a third line.

    More than 2LW.More than they need Hall, and cheaper.It’s all about matchups.They need a real 3rd line desperately.

    Staal, as several here have suggested, is an excellent target.

    Yes a third line Centre that has skill can PK and win faceoffs. JP plus make it happen Holland.

  158. geowal says:

    They need a 3rd pair for overtime, even if it’s for a 20 second shift that creates some element of surprise when 97 and 29 hop back over.

  159. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Oilers deserved to lose.
    Bear was an absolute beast.

    So did the Canucks today. Utter domination by the Rangers in the third.

  160. Harpers Hair says:

    Dr. Taboggan: Did DSF just compliment an Edmonton Oiler?!?!?!?! It is a Christmas miracle!

    Always call them as I see them.
    NHL defensemen are like quarterbacks,
    Watch their feet.
    Calm feet are a huge tell. (LT got this notion from me years ago.)
    Bear is calm, composed and confident way beyond his years.

  161. Harpers Hair says:

    JimmyV1965: So did the Canucks today. Utter domination by the Rangers in the third.

    This is nonsense.
    The Canucks had 37 shots on goal in the first two periods and with a little luck could easily have been up 5-0.
    The Rangers had a great third period.

  162. Andy Dufresne says:

    Genjutsu: Those woodland creature’s don’t torture themselves.

    lol

  163. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: This is nonsense.
    The Canucks had 37 shots on goal in the first two periods and with a little luck could easily have been up 5-0.
    The Rangers had a great third period.

    It’s more than that. Not just calm when they need to be calm.

    He’s far more mobile than he was even last year.

    His feet are now lovely. He gets even and square to attackers so quick.

    He’s always been eyes up, and hasn’t lost that. And his soft hands too.

    But those feet…

  164. Harpers Hair says:

    Munny: It’s more than that.Not just calm when they need to be calm.

    He’s far more mobile than he was even last year.

    His feet are now lovely.He gets even and square to attackers so quick.

    He’s always been eyes up, and hasn’t lost that.And his soft hands too.

    But those feet…

    Yep..he was quietly the best Oiler on the ice.
    Very impressive for a young D.

  165. jtblack says:

    geowal:
    They need a 3rd pair for overtime, even if it’s for a 20 second shift that creates some element of surprise when 97 and 29 hop back over.

    +1. & gives McD and Drai a chance to re group. They were so gassed.

  166. digger50 says:

    Jessie at an NHLe of 37

    Sleppy at NHLe of 41

  167. Jaxon says:

    OriginalPouzar: He’s tied for 4th in the league for d-men for 5 on 5 points and 9th in P/60 – this is now 3 years where he’s top 15 at 5 on 5.

    Just to add support to this, I believe he is now 9th among NHL D in 5v5 Points over the last 186 games.

  168. GMB3 says:

    digger50:
    Jessie at an NHLe of 37

    Sleppy at NHLe of 41

    I’d have time for them bringing home Slepy

  169. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair: This is nonsense.
    The Canucks had 37 shots on goal in the first two periods and with a little luck could easily have been up 5-0.
    The Rangers had a great third period.

    Harpers Hair: This is nonsense.
    The Canucks had 37 shots on goal in the first two periods and with a little luck could easily have been up 5-0.
    The Rangers had a great third period.

    The shots were 17-6 in the third for the Rangers and that’s generous. The Canucks were hemmed into their own zone for large parts of the third period. In fact, if I was the Rangers, I would have pulled the goalie with 5 minutes left. The Canucks were hemmed in their own end for a solid two minutes and they weren’t getting out.

    Say what you want, but they were extremely fortunate to get out of that game with two points.

  170. Munny says:

    Jaxon: Just to add support to this, I believe he is now 9th among NHL D in 5v5 Points over the last 186 games.

    They’re not trading Nurse. It’s not even within the realm of possibility, that’s what makes the proposal ludicrous.

    Drai, McD and Nurse are best buds. This is the core.

    Trading a stud out of your core is ludicrous.

    Does Nurse make the odd stupid mistake? Yes. He’s no genius.

    But go find me the perfect defenseman… and I’ll be willing to trade Nurse for him.

    He’s not perfect, but he’s goddamn good.

    Yeah trade Drai and McD’s best friend.

    Ludicrous.

    Have no idea how he’s getting included in trade proposals.

  171. GMB3 says:

    Man…. Tippet is going to run McDavid and Drai into the ground. They were absolutely gassed. That’s a concern

  172. Harpers Hair says:

    JimmyV1965:
    The shots were 17-6 in the third for the Rangers and that’s generous. The Canucks were hemmed into their own zone for large parts of the third period. In fact, if I was the Rangers, I would have pulled the goalie with 5 minutes left. The Canucks were hemmed in their own end for a solid two minutes and they weren’t getting out.

    Say what you want, but they were extremely fortunate to get out of that game with two points.

    The Canucks dominated for two periods. The Rangers dominated for one.
    Seems to me the game ended up as it should have based on the play.
    Your mileage may vary although it seems it s been calibrated by a backyard mechanic.

  173. Harpers Hair says:

    GMB3:
    Man…. Tippet is going to run McDavid and Drai into the ground. They were absolutely gassed. That’s a concern

    That was a huge take away from this game.
    Both were gassed in the third period.
    Wait until they play back to backs against good teams.

  174. flyfish1168 says:

    We need other players to step up and win the coach’s trust for more playing time. Connor and Leon looked gassed at the end. They can’t keep in up

  175. GMB3 says:

    Munny: They’re not trading Nurse.It’s not even within the realm of possibility, that’s what makes the proposal ludicrous.

    Drai, McD and Nurse are best buds.This is the core.

    Trading a stud out of your core is ludicrous.

    Does Nurse make the odd stupid mistake?Yes.He’s no genius.

    But go find me the perfect defenseman… and I’ll be willing to trade Nurse for him.

    He’s not perfect, but he’s goddamn good.

    Yeah trade Drai and McD’s best friend.

    Ludicrous.

    It’s actually not ludicrous at all. Just win the trade

  176. Munny says:

    GMB3: It’s actually not ludicrous at all. Just win the trade

    No GM on the planet would take the risk of losing it. Ludicrous.

  177. Munny says:

    flyfish1168:
    We need other players to step up and win the coach’s trust for more playing time. Connor and Leon looked gassed at the end. They can’t keep in up

    They need a 3rd line.

  178. tapper says:

    Guaranteed the stripes were out for Connor and the Oil tonight after he “checked his stick” last game following the hooking non-call.

  179. GMB3 says:

    Munny: No GM on the planet would take the risk of losing it.Ludicrous.

    It’s not quite as ludicrous as suggesting Curtis Lazar and Cooper Marody are applying for the same job in the NHL.

    It’s a trade that would be easy to win. He’s a tire fire in his own end

  180. Zelepukin says:

    Nurse is a tire fire in his own end?

    I’m interested in how you would describe Oil alumni such as:

    Andrew Ference
    Tom Poti
    Nikita Nikitin
    Corey Potter
    Ladislav Smid
    Jaroslav Spacek
    Steve Staios
    Dick Tarnstrom

  181. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair: The Canucks dominated for two periods. The Rangers dominated for one.
    Seems to me the game ended up as it should have based on the play.
    Your mileage may vary although it seems it s been calibrated by a backyard mechanic.

    Just to be clear. Edmonton outshoots Winnipeg 28-23 and we deserve to lose. Vancouver outshoots New York 43-40 and they deserve to win, despite spending much of the third period on their own end. Got it. Thanks.

  182. Munny says:

    GMB3: It’s not quite as ludicrous as suggesting Curtis Lazar and Cooper Marody are applying for the same job in the NHL.
    It’s a trade that would be easy to win. He’s a tire fire in his own end

    Lazar has already played three years at the job Marody needs to, but has yet to, earn. Bottom 6 RHS Center.

    You are really taking “cautionary tale” to heart lol.

  183. Munny says:

    Zelepukin: Nurse is a tire fire in his own end?

    Hyperbole is always the most rational way to argue.

  184. v4ance says:

    Is it too soon to give Ethan Bear an offer of a long term contract in the range of 8 years at $3.5 million that he can sign Jan 1st?

    That’d be an interesting bet. (Coming from the “that’s a bold move Cotton let’s see how it plays out” department)

  185. TeeVee says:

    Rebillled:
    my circular muscle that normally maintains constriction of a natural body passage or orifice and which relaxes as required by normal physiological functioning…slightly fixed, fastened and closed firmly.

    The non-medical term is “Starfish”

  186. v4ance says:

    TeeVee: The non-medical term is “Starfish”

    Wait… I thought it was called a “Russell”? We are talking about the same orifice clenching maneuver, right?

  187. Munny says:

    v4ance:
    Is it too soon to give Ethan Bear an offer of a long term contract in the range of 8 years at $3.5 million that he can sign Jan 1st?

    That’d be an interesting bet.(Coming from the “that’s a bold move Cotton let’s see how it plays out” department)

    Obviously there’s no rush but yes that’s an interesting bet.

  188. Munny says:

    Zelepukin: I’m interested in how you would describe Oil alumni such as:
    Andrew Ference
    Tom Poti
    Nikita Nikitin
    Corey Potter
    Ladislav Smid
    Jaroslav Spacek
    Steve Staios
    Dick Tarnstrom

    If you were to list every tire fire worse than Nurse from just this century, the list would stretch to the bottom of this page.

  189. TeeVee says:

    v4ance: Wait… I thought it was called a “Russell”?We are talking about the same orifice clenching maneuver, right?

    I’m talking about the actual orifice 😉

  190. Munny says:

    The way to winning at this game is to get useful players keep useful players.

    Upon the occasion of his next contract, Nurse can be locked up for seven years. A long term of usefulness, with the value of the contract likely improving as it ages.

    He’s an apex-tough, fast-skating, minute-munching, head-up, point-producing Dman.

    And he’s best buds with our two stars. The nucleus of the team’s leadership.

    Useful? Let’s say a defenseman goes down to injury during a game. Whom on the team can the coach rely on to play 30-32 minutes?

    Teams rarely trade the kind of players it would take to win a Nurse trade. And it usually happens when there’s some other kind of issue… cap, personal, etc.

    Trades that improve the team are the ones where you’re the three and they’re the one.

  191. Wilde says:

    The following could be read as a question of Bear’s talents, but it’s meant as something positive.

    Here’s a hypothetical with a few premises and then a question for the group. For this hypothetical, we’re going to assume the premises are true.

    Premise 1A – Ethan Bear is currently on a bit of a hot streak in terms of individual impact, perhaps there’s been good goaltending behind him and the bounces have been with him or something. Whatever we’re watching is, it’s in the ‘up’ half of the ups and downs that young NHL defensemen experience.

    Premise 1B – The bad outputs that Bear brings detract from his value only so much so that the net impact over a full season is such he’s able to play as the 2nd best player on a top-4 NHL pairing behind an average NHL forwards corps and not lose.

    Premise 2A – Caleb Jones was a markedly better player than Ethan Bear was on the 2018-19 Condors.

    Premise 2B – Something in Bear’s player-identity makes him translate his play from the AHL to the NHL better than Jones’ does.

    Question – Is the factor in premise 2B so colossal yet perfectly contoured that Caleb Jones’ play in comparison translates so poorly that he is a worse NHL player right now than Brandon Manning?

    More importantly, what is the *chance* that’s the case?

    Is it so low that it’s not worth finding out earlier rather than later so that we can outmaneuver the coming logjam at D and be making important decisions (about who to keep, who to cash and who to pay what) with the largest sample sizes possible?

    Objectively, unless someone is able to blow a hole in the actual validity of this sequence, either the question’s answer is yes – Manning is better – or one or more of the premises are false.

    But if 1A is false we’re dancing in the streets.

  192. OriginalPouzar says:

    vance:
    Is it too soon to give Ethan Bear an offer of a long term contract in the range of 8 years at $3.5 million that he can sign Jan 1st?

    That’d be an interesting bet.(Coming from the “that’s a bold move Cotton let’s see how it plays out” department)

    Bear can sign his next contract any time.

    The January 1 date is only for re-signing players on one year contracts.

    To answer your question: in my opinion, yes – I think he’ll be easy to sign a 2 x $2M ($1.8M plus $2.2M, give or take) and I don’t think the risk of the third contarct being materially higher than $3.5M is huge.

  193. ArmchairGM says:

    Wilde: But if 1A is false we’re dancing in the streets.

    I think 1A is false. The way Bear positions his body in board battles is superb – he is winning those by design and not because of lucky bounces.

  194. pts2pndr says:

    Wilde:
    The following could be read as a question of Bear’s talents, but it’s meant as something positive.

    Here’s a hypothetical with a few premises and then a question for the group. For this hypothetical, we’re going to assume the premises are true.

    Premise 1A – Ethan Bear is currently on a bit of a hot streak in terms of individual impact, perhaps there’s been good goaltending behind him and the bounces have been with him or something. Whatever we’re watching is, it’s in the ‘up’ half of the ups and downs that young NHL defensemen experience.

    Premise 1B – The bad outputs that Bear brings detract from his value only so much so that the net impact over a full season is such he’s able to play as the 2nd best player on a top-4 NHL pairing behind an average NHL forwards corps and not lose.

    Premise 2A – Caleb Jones was a markedly better player than Ethan Bear was on the 2018-19 Condors.

    Premise 2B – Something in Bear’s player-identity makes him translate his play from the AHL to the NHL better than Jones’ does.

    Question – Is the factor in premise 2B so colossal yet perfectly contoured that Caleb Jones’ play in comparison translates so poorly that he is a worse NHL player right now than Brandon Manning?

    More importantly, what is the *chance* that’s the case?

    Is it so low that it’s not worth finding out earlier rather than later so that we can outmaneuver the coming logjam at D and be making important decisions (about who to keep, who to cash and who to pay what) with the largest sample sizes possible?

    Objectively, unless someone is able to blow a hole in the actual validity of this sequence, either the question’s answer is yes – Manning is better – or one or more of the premises are false.

    But if 1A is false we’re dancing in the streets.

    Caleb Jones loses one on one battles at the NHL level, is a left shot D, and was -8 in 17 NHL games. The left shot right shot thing is a big deal. Jones will play top four left side with some team. Who would he replace on the oilers? Breaking into the NHL playing on your off side as a D is very difficult.

  195. CallighenMan says:

    Harpers Hair: Always call them as I see them.
    NHL defensemen are like quarterbacks,
    Watch their feet.
    Calm feet are a huge tell. (LT got this notion from me years ago.)
    Bear is calm, composed and confident way beyond his years.

    BS

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