2019-20 Game 18: Devils at Oilers

Taylor Hall playing in Edmonton has always been a worthwhile evening. As a road warrior, against the Oilers, fans are struck with something between melancholy and blind rage. It’s this century’s ‘trade the city never forgave’ and I remain convinced the Oilers will make a run at Hall when the opportunity presents.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, there is a Puck Drop Special offer here.

  • New Lowetide: Oilers are closer to having an effective second line than a year ago, but few have noticed
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The beauty of a good night’s sleep can be elusive for many NHL players
  • New Jonathan Willis: Why the Oilers were wise to gamble on Tomas Jurco, even though it didn’t pan out
  • Jonathan Willis: The unlikely goalie performances underpinning the Oilers’ hot start
  • Lowetide: How far away is Evan Bouchard and what role will he play with the Oilers?
  • Scott Wheeler: Analyzing Jesse Puljujarvi’s play in Finland to see what he could offer as an NHLer
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers right to wait until they’re sure before recalling Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson
  • Lowetide:  Can Leon Draisaitl score more than 50 goals this season?
  • Lowetide: Bakersfield Condors coaching staff continues to mold unheralded players into legit NHL prospects.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers Mailbag: Fixing the forward depth, slotting the big three, a Puljujarvi trade and more
  • Minnia Feng: The 2019-20 Oilers fan guide to emotions and stressful circumstances
  • Jonathan Willis: How much will the Oilers have to pay to keep pending free agent Zack Kassian?
  • Lowetide: Sheahan hurt, Oilers in need of a two-way centre; some candidates emerging
  • Jonathan Willis: Handicapping the chase for the Calder after the first month of the 2019-20 NHL season
  • Jonathan Willis: Unproductive Oilers forwards are in danger of losing their jobs — and soon
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the current state of the Edmonton Oilers goaltending.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘I don’t think anyone’s feeling comfortable’: Oilers’ Holland pleased but cautious amid early improvements.
  • Jonathan Willis: A rare success during Edmonton’s long rebuild, why Oscar Klefbom is the model for finishing Oilers’ blue line
  • Jonathan Willis: Can the Oilers afford to pursue Taylor Hall in free agency?
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

OILERS AFTER 18 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 6-12-0, 12 points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in 2016: 9-8-1, 19 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in 2017: 7-9-2, 16 points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in 2018: 9-8-1, 19 points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in 2019: 10-5-2, 22 points; goal differential +4

Once again this year’s Oilers have a chance to gain some real clearance from the ghost of November’s past. A win tonight gets the team 25 percent of the way to the playoffs in only 22 percent of the schedule. Okay, okay, but it would be cool.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-1-1, five points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in November 2017: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in November 2018: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in November 2019: 1-1-1, three points; goal differential -1

Each of the McDavid seasons have resembled what we’re seeing here, ‘fits and starts’ and then the gales of November come slashing. You’d like to see a winning streak here, maybe the fresh troops who arrive starting tonight will jump start the team.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER

  • On the road to: PIT (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: ARI, STL, NJD (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-1-1)
  • On the road to: ANA, SJS (Expected 1-0-1)
  • At home to: COL, DAL (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: SJS, LAK, VEG, ARI, COL (Expected 2-3-0)
  • At home to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-1-1, 3 points after three games

I projected Edmonton to finish this segment 2-2-0, a win tonight puts them 2-1-1 and a point ahead of my predicted pace. The team then heads out for two road games and then the toughest game of the month against Colorado Avalanche. Seven wins predicted, getting a second one tonight puts the Oilers in a good spot.

OILERS 2019-20

We may see lines and pairings as above tonight, I’m interested to see if Joel Persson draws back so quickly after getting stapled to the bench. Also, Josh Archibald has been a real disappointment, I’ll be looking for him to show far more than we’ve seen so far this year.

HOLLAND ATLANTIC CROSSING

Apparently Ken Holland won’t be making the trip to Finland to observe Jesse Puljujarvi. As with all things JP, it’s possible to read any and all into this new piece of news. Oilers could use a scoring winger about now, and a No. 3 center too. I maintain, and have since this story first broke, the only way Holland has this reflect badly on him is by taking less than 100 cents on the dollar in return for the big winger. Problem is: What is full value for Jesse Puljujarvi right now?

TAYLOR HALL, Y’ALL

I’ve suggested all down the line that Edmonton is an option for Hall. People look at me like I’ve gone mad, but in all honesty he’s a terrific option. How many scoring forwards who will be UFA in summer 2020 are a better fit? Edmonton could check down to Mike Hoffman but Hall is more dynamic.

CONDORS 2019-20

We’re a month or so away from recalls, I think Caleb Jones is the only player so far to have earned one. Tyler Benson, Kailer Yamamoto and Cooper Marody have shown flashes, but will need to push more to create separation. Condors play tonight at home against the porous San Diego Gulls. A big chance for the prospects to get some black ink.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we begin the weekend a little early on TSN1260. Steve Lansky from Big Mouth Sports will talk CFL broadcasts and live mic, plus the Oilers and all of Canada’s teams so far this season. Matt Iwanyk talks Eskimos and eastern semi just after 11 and we’ll talk Oilers game, waivers and panic if the home team loses at Rogers tonight.

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  1. Mr. Manitoba says:

    Yesterday during Tippett’s media avail, he said the fancy stats that he looks at say that the Oilers are one of the best teams at moving the puck out of the zone.

    Do the numbers we have access to back this up?

  2. BONE207 says:

    Taylor Hall…3x$7 mill.

    $55 million for a career would be ok. Hopefully a cup too

  3. Brantford Boy says:

    I sense a Taylor Hall thread coming… I’ve never made to many comments about it, I was livid like the rest, but I do enjoy watching Larsson defend.

    So in the spirit if LT’s suggestion, what gets Hall back here? Now, and at the deadline?
    “Now” it has to look something like: JP, Caleb Jones (but pushing for Bouchard), and 1st round pick?
    How much does that change at the deadline? I assume one of these comes off the floor, but is it at the expense of Bouchard being swapped for Jones?

  4. Darth Tu says:

    Brantford Boy,

    I’m loathe to give up a first round pick this year – the draft looks deep. If things aren’t going to work out for him in Jersey is there any need to trade pieces out? He’s a UFA in the summer.

    That said, Cap wise I can’t see it working unless we’re moving something out to make room for his contract. So, to answer your now question, you really have to move money out to make the cap work. JP, Neal, the first? But as I said earlier, I do not want to move that first round pick.

    I’d rather stay away from this one completely tbh, unless we’re waiting until the summer and Hall decides to take a discount for coming back to Edmonton (which he’s not going to do).

  5. Clarkenstein says:

    Before we dare to think about righting a wrong with Taylor Hall we need to know how much salary is coming off the books at the end of this year to make room for him. Anybody got that info available for us lazy bastards please?

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    Broberg in the lineup today.

  7. leadfarmer says:

    I think its becoming pretty clear that if Hall wants playoffs in near future New Jersey is not going to do it.

    Hall is ppg in the first quarter of a season after knee surgery and his explosiveness will come back next year. He’s not the same reckless player he was here
    I’m sure Isles will throw money at him. Boston and Avs will be players me thinks.
    Avs have been looking for secondary scoring and Hall would make them a killer.

  8. leadfarmer says:

    BONE207:
    Taylor Hall…3x$7 mill.

    $55 million for a career would be ok. Hopefully a cup too

    That definitely doesnt even start the conversation. Maybe 9mil x 5years if you dont want term might get a nibble

  9. SwedishPoster says:

    I’ve seen bits and pieces of a couple of Devils games this season and they are absolutely dreadful defensively. Hynes getting a lot of heat and he’s probably part of the issue but it’s also a weirdly constructed roster. They have so many players with a tendency to make major defensive mistakes, some are just flat out bad defensively, Jack Hughes predictably one, but mostly it’s an accumulation of players prone to different forms of defensive breakdowns. It’s a mess. Oilers need to take advantage.

  10. doctoreye says:

    Down in Sunny L.A.,Washington took me to the Clippers game.Courtside behind the bench,about 20 feet away from Kauai! What a monster….wish he was still in Canada! When we get Hall back,it will solve RNH,and the second line.Sooner the better.Trade now.

  11. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Jeff Skinner got $9M x 8 without a Hart trophy in his pocket.

    Hall will get the same at least. Somewhere between Tavares & Skinner.

  12. Fuhr and Lowething. says:

    Re: Taylor Hall / Mike Hoffman and other summer UFA wingers that are available, IMHO, the best fit could possibly be Kreider.

    I love Taylor Hall, and would be over the moon to see him back, but Kreider would look pretty damned good with McD methinks and more durable than Hall, albeit one year older.

  13. Brantford Boy says:

    Darth Tu,

    I agree completely… and yes dollars will matter. In this scenario, I suspect Holland will dump Russel in the offseason and we have a plethora of bottom 6 forwards to move as well… and possibly Neal, and probably Kassian (who is getting a raise).

    I would imagine if Hall is actually an option Holland would consider, he will want to discuss contracts prior to July 1. I do believe Leadfarmer’s post of 9M is at best, the start for such a player.

    I think the real trick is, can we keep Larsson and Nurse as well.

    Anyway, it was food for thought, I too think it’s best to leave the past in the rearview and forget about a reunion with Hall.

  14. TheOrangeDesk says:

    anyone else think Hall will sign a contract similar to Mark Stone?
    seems like they have very similar situations. Both elite wingers, (both coming from losing teams) roughly the same age, the Heart trophy might swing things in Halls favor, but Stone is better defensively..

  15. Munny says:

    BONE207,

    I would do 3 x $9.

  16. Munny says:

    TheOrangeDesk,

    That would be something like 8 x 10.5, allowing $500k for the tax diff and $500k for the Hart.

  17. Dr. Taboggan says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Jeff Skinner got $9M x 8 without a Hart trophy in his pocket.

    Hall will get the same at least. Somewhere between Tavares & Skinner.

    This is true.

    I would be shocked if Hall signs for less than 10 million.

    If he signs for less than 8 years that number goes up.

    I know he wants to play for a contender but he can sign with a contender and still get paid. Look at Tavares.

  18. Kraz says:

    Derek Ryan walked through the devils defence for a gorgeous goal last night….I can’t wait to see what McDavid and Draisaitl will do tonight

  19. Munny says:

    Dr. Taboggan,

    I’m just going off memory, but I think Avs and Bruins are the only ones with real cap space to pull it off.

    Depending on whether you consider the Flems to be a contender or not lol.

  20. Kraz says:

    As far as Hall goes I think McDavid is the x-factor here. They are still good buddies and if he says to Hall “hey sign in Edmonton and let’s go win a cup” Hall would probably sign in a heartbeat

  21. Darth Tu says:

    Munny:
    BONE207,

    I would do 3 x $9.

    If we have the cash I’d do that too. Max I’d do term wise is 5 years – and for the record, I love Hall as a player. I’m just worried about paying someone 8-10 mill in their mid 30s.

    Ignoring the need for a top 6 winger, what about targetting Subban? He’s not getting the minutes or the PP1 time in Jersey. He’s on a $9 million AAV contract for another 2 seasons after this one. Interestingly it’s $2 million base salary with $6 million signing bonuses after this season, so essentially buy out proof. Again there’s a cash flow issue so we’d need to move out Russell and Benning to make it work. Gets you a top 6 for next season that looks like this though:

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Subban
    Jones/Lagesson-Larsson

    Or if we move Larsson instead you’re left with:

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Subban
    Russell-Bouchard/Jones

  22. drglen says:

    Holland is probably looking for another Haas.

    If we get goaltending we can win this game.

    Hall will get the same as Sequin.

  23. Side says:

    Dr. Taboggan: This is true.

    I would be shocked if Hall signs for less than 10 million.

    If he signs for less than 8 years that number goes up.

    I know he wants to play for a contender but he can sign with a contender and still get paid. Look at Tavares.

    Would it be shocking though?

    I thought Hall kind of went out of his way to say that he has been paid already and wants to go somewhere where he will win vs who will pay him the most. I imagine he could get paid in the 8-10 million range, but I could see that happening if he’s going to a team who gives him a very good chance to win and who is also offering to pay him that much.

    I could see Hall testing the market to see what he would get and signing somewhere only for word to leak out that he turned down much higher contracts to go somewhere where he could win but get paid less $..

  24. jake70 says:

    % of cap hit for Hall when signed extension in 2012 — 10.1%

    cap hit with same percentage this year (81.5M) — 8.23M hit

    cap hit with theoretical 83M next season, same % — 8.4M hit

  25. ArmchairGM says:

    “Oilers could use a scoring winger about now, and a No. 3 center too. I maintain, and have since this story first broke, the only way Holland has this reflect badly on him is by taking less than 100 cents on the dollar in return for the big winger. Problem is: What is full value for Jesse Puljujarvi right now?”

    A couple of ideas that have been floating around the internet to fill these roles:

    3C: Benning + Khaira to NJ for Zacha
    2W: Puljujarvi + 2020 1st (top-10 protected) to DET for Athanasiou

    Comments?

  26. drglen says:

    So what’s the plan for today’s game. Whos in whos out. Seems like Granland will play again. I’d like to see Khaira Nuge Gagner.

    Try Neal with Hass and Russel.

    Tipp will probably go with Khaira sheehan archibold to see if preseason effectiveness returns..

    I agree with Tipps admission that Klefbom on PP1, .. he just passes to the sides and they are not worried about him, so it’s easy to defend. That’s why we’ve been spinning our wheels back and forth and the upper perimeter. Maybe he’ll finally give Bear a shot.

    Bear is such a revelation.. what concerns me is that another Bake D may also be a revelation and we’re missing out.

  27. leadfarmer says:

    jake70:
    % of cap hit for Hall when signed extension in 2012 — 10.1%

    cap hit with same percentage this year (81.5M) —8.23M hit

    cap hit with theoretical 83M next season, same % —8.4M hit

    Something something RFA, something something UFA

  28. ArmchairGM says:

    doctoreye: When we get Hall back,it will solve RNH,and the second line.

    What do you mean by this? You do realize that Hall+RNH weren’t especially great together, right?

  29. Durag says:

    ArmchairGM:

    A couple of ideas that have been floating around the internet to fill these roles:

    3C: Benning + Khaira to NJ for Zacha

    Comments?

    The internet should probably get used to the idea that Benning + Khaira doesn’t get you anything from anyone.

  30. slopitch says:

    A couple of ideas that have been floating around the internet to fill these roles:

    3C: Benning + Khaira to NJ for Zacha
    2W: Puljujarvi + 2020 1st (top-10 protected) to DET for Athanasiou

    Comments?

    Zacha: yes pls
    Athanasiou: no thanks, I dont move the 2020 1st unless its Hall calibre. The 2020 draft is too strong and given cap space, control of the player for 7 years, the Oilers window (its not this year) and the expansion I think the play is to pass here.

    Interesting tweet re Gusev: https://twitter.com/CJTDevil/status/1192650779494141952

    I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone with the power Nikita Gusev has to absolutely crater ANY line’s shot impact numbers.

    I think group think had this guy pegged as the next Panarin this summer. Id never seen him play and was buying much of the hype at one point. A good reminder that numbers alone dont tell the story.

  31. PennersPancakes says:

    ArmchairGM: A couple of ideas that have been floating around the internet to fill these roles:

    3C: Benning + Khaira to NJ for Zacha
    2W: Puljujarvi + 2020 1st (top-10 protected) to DET for Athanasiou

    Comments?

    Zacha trade: No brainer do that every day of the week. Benning will be redundant if he isnt already and Khaira is replacement level.

    Athanasiou trade: no go. Puljujarvi as the base is more than welcome but adding a first is too much for my taste. Really depends on what Puljus real worth is but adding a third or another bakersfield prospect would be worth it.

  32. ArmchairGM says:

    Fuhr and Lowething.:
    Re: Taylor Hall / Mike Hoffman and other summer UFA wingers that are available,IMHO, the best fit could possibly be Kreider.

    I love Taylor Hall,and would be over the moon to see him back,but Kreider would look pretty damned good with McD methinksand more durable than Hall, albeit one year older.

    Kreider is a more skilled Zack Kassian. Seeing as McDavid has a history of playing well with big men (Maroon, Draisaitl, Kassian), I think this could be an excellent move. He’ll probably cost about half of what Hall does.

  33. BONE207 says:

    Munny:
    BONE207,

    I would do 3 x $9.

    It helps when it’s not your $$$.
    It may also be logical (as if logic enters these contracts) to put forth the Draisaitl numbers which Taylor hasn’t achieved. If you accept that the highest contract is $12.5 & the next highest is $8.5, maybe one would look at 7-8 as a decent amount. Of course, the team would still need to find bottom 6 help & a keeper during that time. You know, the easy stuff that blows across the tundra.

  34. ChiliChunk says:

    Elliotte Friedman

    Verified account

    @FriedgeHNIC
    5m5 minutes ago
    More
    All waivers clear

  35. ArmchairGM says:

    Darth Tu: Ignoring the need for a top 6 winger, what about targetting Subban? He’s not getting the minutes or the PP1 time in Jersey. He’s on a $9 million AAV contract for another 2 seasons after this one. Interestingly it’s $2 million base salary with $6 million signing bonuses after this season, so essentially buy out proof.

    Russell + Neal for Subban?

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jurco clears – no surprise.

    Oilers do not claim Petan – no surprise and the right decison in my mind.

  37. ArmchairGM says:

    Durag: The internet should probably get used to the idea that Benning + Khaira doesn’t get you anything from anyone.

    Benning alone is worth a 2nd. Khaira is probably worth a 4th or 5th.

  38. ArmchairGM says:

    slopitch: Athanasiou: no thanks, I dont move the 2020 1st unless its Hall calibre. The 2020 draft is too strong and given cap space, control of the player for 7 years, the Oilers window (its not this year) and the expansion I think the play is to pass here.

    The difference is Hall is a UFA next summer (he’d be a rental, and even then JP+1st likely wouldn’t be enough) while AA is an RFA.

  39. Darth Tu says:

    ArmchairGM: Russell + Neal for Subban?

    Probably need to add to that for Subban – again, I don’t want to lose the first this year if it’s possible to avoid dealing it.

  40. ArmchairGM says:

    ChiliChunk:
    Elliotte Friedman

    Verified account

    @FriedgeHNIC5m5 minutes ago
    More
    All waivers clear

    Phew! I was worried about losing Jurco.

  41. Profit says:

    leadfarmer,

    Thanks for the post, I missed that thread on Twitter. Interesting that the Oilers are pretty much clumped around median for most metrics.

    As for Hall – I could see the relationship with McDavid making him do something unusual (10M x 2?). I think McDavid highly influenced the Neal/Lucic trade so never know.

    I personally don’t think the Oilers should pursue Hall if its a 5/6/7 years x 8/9 million price as that will continue to create balance issues, but I guess weirder things have happened. Seems to be a lot of smoke around it.

  42. slopitch says:

    ArmchairGM: he difference is Hall is a UFA next summer (he’d be a rental, and even then JP+1st likely wouldn’t be enough) while AA is an RFA.

    And Halls a way better player.

    FWIW I woudlnt trade for Hall unless I have some assurances he’d sign say a Mark Stone contract.

  43. Pouzar says:

    Next piece of house cleaning…Fire Granlund to the sun.

  44. Dr. Taboggan says:

    ArmchairGM: Benning alone is worth a 2nd. Khaira is probably worth a 4th or 5th.

    Khaira would not get claimed on waivers. He is quickly playing himself out of the league. The dude cannot score in the NHL.

  45. Material Elvis says:

    Pouzar:
    Next piece of house cleaning…Fire Granlund to the sun.

    Or at the very least into the Sea.

  46. Material Elvis says:

    ArmchairGM: Benning alone is worth a 2nd. Khaira is probably worth a 4th or 5th.

    Agreed on Benning but for that price I’d rather keep him. Khaira doesn’t have much trade value — not sure he would even fetch a late round pick.

  47. McSorley33 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Jeff Skinner got $9M x 8 without a Hart trophy in his pocket.

    Hall will get the same at least. Somewhere between Tavares & Skinner.

    Exactly.

    Bottom 6 forward Tanev – got 6 years.

    Forget the $ amount – why would a upper end UFA want anything less than 6 years?

    If Panarin gets 7 years ….why not Hall?

  48. Fuhr and Lowething. says:

    ArmchairGM: Kreider is a more skilled Zack Kassian. Seeing as McDavid has a history of playing well with big men (Maroon, Draisaitl, Kassian), I think this could be an excellent move. He’ll probably cost about half of what Hall does.

    Precisely what I was thinking, we could sure use the extra $$$ to fill out the bottom of our roster.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    Larsson skating with the team this morning.

    Good stuff. Hurry back Adam.

  50. jtblack says:

    i think the biggest mistake Holland could make would be to pay ANY forward $9 million per year this summer ….

    All that will is put Cap pressures right back onto the team when other could young players require contracts …

    I am all for paying big dollars to players entering or in their prime (McD, Drai, etc) .. I think the UFA has not served many GM’s well and comes with enormous risk. Especially when considering injury history of certain players …

  51. PinkSocks says:

    jake70:
    % of cap hit for Hall when signed extension in 2012 — 10.1%

    cap hit with same percentage this year (81.5M) —8.23M hit

    cap hit with theoretical 83M next season, same % —8.4M hit

    Well since he has continued to improve in the past 6 years, he’s going to take up a higher % now. With a Hart Trophy notwithstanding, he’s going to get paid. Anything under $10m won’t get it done.

  52. McSorley33 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “Oilers could use a scoring winger about now, and a No. 3 center too. I maintain, and have since this story first broke, the only way Holland has this reflect badly on him is by taking less than 100 cents on the dollar in return for the big winger. Problem is: What is full value for Jesse Puljujarvi right now?”

    A couple of ideas that have been floating around the internet to fill these roles:

    3C: Benning + Khaira to NJ for Zacha
    2W: Puljujarvi + 2020 1st (top-10 protected) to DET for Athanasiou

    Comments?

    With regards to Benning….not sure NJ would see Benning as an upgrade on
    PK Subban or Vatanen. I don’t think JJ has a lot of value at this point.

    Further, 22 year old Zacha is a C and is likely penciled in permanent marker as
    the teams defensive 3C. Travis Zajac looks like he may be done as he is 34.

    And for me personally, the Anthansiou trade seems to rich for me…but I tend to
    overvalue our recent draft picks. Will freely admit I am probably undervaluing
    the Detroit kid as well.

  53. PinkSocks says:

    Kraz:
    As far as Hall goes I think McDavid is the x-factor here. They are still good buddies and if he says to Hall “hey sign in Edmonton and let’s go win a cup” Hall would probably sign in a heartbeat

    Connor – “Hey Taylor, let’s go win a cup. You can play with me, but PC fucked the cap so Ken has 5x$9m to offer.”

    Sakic – “Hey Taylor, let’s go win a cup. You can play with MacKinnon and I have 7x$11m to offer.”

    I don’t even blink if I am Taylor. Whether the Avs or Oilers hoist the cup within the next 5-7 years is anyone’s guess, so I’m taking a guaranteed $77m over $45m… always.

  54. Cassandra says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jurco clears – no surprise.

    Oilers do not claim Petan – no surprise and the right decison in my mind.

    Clearly the wrong decision. The Oilers continue to wallow in mediocrity.

    Even if you like Benson there is no reason you can’t have both. This team is more than one player away and is chalk full of useless players.

    They should add three skilled players.

  55. Oilman99 says:

    leadfarmer: That definitely doesnt even start the conversation.Maybe 9mil x 5years if you dont want term might get a nibble

    This Hall talk is “pie in the sky” talk, there is no way a team can have a third or more of it’s cap space tied up in three players, and expect to be able to have a winning team. They have multiple young d-men, starting with Nurse that are not going to come cheap.

  56. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack:
    i think the biggest mistake Holland could make would be to pay ANY forward $9 million per year this summer ….

    All that will is put Cap pressures right back onto the team when other could young players require contracts…

    I am all for paying big dollars to players entering or in their prime (McD, Drai, etc) .. I think the UFA has not served many GM’s well and comes with enormous risk.Especially when considering injury history of certain players …

    I agree in principle, but there are many useful mid-range players available in free agency every summer that could help this team immensely. Kreider, for instance, would be a $5.5M x 4 deal with zero assets out. That has value.

    Last summer, guys like Connolly, Dzingel, Johanssen and Donskoi were available at reasonable rates, if we had one of those guys right now this team would have a much better balanced attack.

  57. Cassandra says:

    Taylor Hall is my favourite player. But time waits for no one. He’s a depreciating asset. He’s still good, but he’s not the dynamo he used to be.

    Buyer Beware.

  58. russ99 says:

    Hall has been pretty vocal about looking forward to FA, as his first and sometimes for players only chance to cash out and pick where he wants to play.

    Trading for him before UFA would mean that he’s testing the market, and there’s no chance for a sweetheart or hometown discount to give up that wish.

  59. Oilman99 says:

    drglen:
    Holland is probably looking for another Haas.

    If we get goaltending we can win this game.

    Hall will get the same as Sequin.

    Things could get scary, the goaltending has been shaky the last two games, here’s hoping they don’t both regress at the same time.

  60. Scungilli Slushy says:

    SwedishPoster:
    I’ve seen bits and pieces of a couple of Devils games this season and they are absolutely dreadful defensively. Hynes getting a lot of heat and he’s probably part of the issue but it’s also a weirdly constructed roster. They have so many players with a tendency to make major defensive mistakes, some are just flat out bad defensively, Jack Hughes predictably one, but mostly it’s an accumulation of players prone to different forms of defensive breakdowns. It’s a mess. Oilers need to take advantage.

    Sounds like the Oilers, but we aren’t as bad under Jimmy P.

    I’ve long posited that one thing stats don’t show is players who are prone to ‘goal in back of net brain farts’.

    A player type that can drive possession and earn a negative or too low GF% over time.

    They need to win this game. This is where the teams that stay at the top make hay.

  61. Scungilli Slushy says:

    russ99:
    Hall has been pretty vocal about looking forward to FA, as his first and sometimes for players only chance to cash out and pick where he wants to play.

    Trading for him before UFA would mean that he’s testing the market, and there’s no chance for a sweetheart or hometown discount to give up that wish.

    He’s also said money is ‘less’ important than winning. I’d cash the Neal for Hall cap hit, even with the worrisome extension, in a New Jersey minute.

  62. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “Oilers could use a scoring winger about now, and a No. 3 center too. I maintain, and have since this story first broke, the only way Holland has this reflect badly on him is by taking less than 100 cents on the dollar in return for the big winger. Problem is: What is full value for Jesse Puljujarvi right now?”

    A couple of ideas that have been floating around the internet to fill these roles:

    3C: Benning + Khaira to NJ for Zacha
    2W: Puljujarvi + 2020 1st (top-10 protected) to DET for Athanasiou

    Comments?

    It is nuts to trade a pick from an impact draft plus Puljujarvi for a non-impact middle six forward (at best) who has been horribly inconsistent. This is as bad a proposal as the Reinhart trade. I might do Puljujarvi alone. Certainly not the pick.

    If the 2020 pick is going, it has to go or should have gone for a sure thing like JT Miller, who has scored 20 goals consistently for two different franchises, and soon to be three.

  63. Oilman99 says:

    Cassandra: Clearly the wrong decision.The Oilers continue to wallow in mediocrity.

    Even if you like Benson there is no reason you can’t have both.This team is more than one player away and is chalk full of useless players.

    They should add three skilled players.

    Nobody is going to trade a skilled player at this time of the year, there are over half the teams in the league that would love to be able to get one skilled player, let alone three , what you sees is what you’re stuck with for atleast after Christmas, and maybe the trade deadline.

  64. godot10 says:

    Dr. Taboggan: Khaira would not get claimed on waivers. He is quickly playing himself out of the league. The dude cannot score in the NHL.

    Somebody would take a look. Khaira is toolsy.

  65. Oilman99 says:

    PinkSocks: Connor – “Hey Taylor, let’s go win a cup. You can play with me, but PC fucked the cap so Ken has 5x$9m to offer.”

    Sakic – “Hey Taylor, let’s go win a cup. You can play with MacKinnon and I have 7x$11m to offer.”

    I don’t even blink if I am Taylor.Whether the Avs or Oilers hoist the cup within the next 5-7 years is anyone’s guess, so I’m taking a guaranteed $77m over $45m… always.

    When they get healthy, the Avs could hoist the cup this year with out changing anything, not sure they want a long term aging contract on the books, they will give the money to Rantanen.

  66. Shane says:

    Would we really need to ‘fill out the bottom six’ if we had McDavid-Draisaitl and Nuge-Hall in the top six?
    Maybe we could just have two offensive lines and two Tippett lines that don’t get scored on? Keep the bottomless six a‘churnin!

    In all honesty I understand the risks involved in trading for/signing Taylor Hall. And it’s not ideal to be top heavy on the cap. However, I am starting to become concerned with Connor and Leon’s ‘window’ and Hall seems to be the player type that we’ve been yearning for for over 2 seasons now…

  67. leadfarmer says:

    Oilman99: This Hall talk is “pie in the sky” talk, there is no way a team can have a third or more of it’s cap space tied up in three players, and expect to be able to have a winning team. They have multiple young d-men, starting with Nurse that are not going to come cheap.

    True but the new TV contract will raise the cap by quite a bit in a couple of years as will Seattles entry into the league.
    But I really doubt he wants to come back here, maybe when hes 37

  68. ArmchairGM says:

    Question for the group: why was Jurco waived? What about his performance indicated that he can’t play at this level?

    CF/60: 53.41 (5th among 16 Oilers forwards)
    CF%: 50.99 (5th)
    FF/60: 39.41 (4th)
    FF%: 52.78 (3rd)
    SF/60: 24.89 (11th)
    SF%: 51.61 (6th)
    GF/60: 2.07 (5th)
    GF%: 57.14 (5th)
    xGF/60: 2.06 (7th)
    xGF%: 52.24 (6th)
    SCF/60: 20.74 (8th)
    SCF%: 51.28 (5th)

    In all shot metrics except SF/60 he ranks ahead of McDavid and Draisaitl.

  69. Pouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Question for the group: why was Jurco waived? What about his performance indicated that he can’t play at this level?

    CF/60: 53.41 (5th among 16 Oilers forwards)
    CF%: 50.99 (5th)
    FF/60: 39.41 (4th)
    FF%: 52.78 (3rd)
    SF/60: 24.89 (11th)
    SF%: 51.61 (6th)
    GF/60: 2.07 (5th)
    GF%: 57.14 (5th)
    xGF/60: 2.06 (7th)
    xGF%: 52.24 (6th)
    SCF/60: 20.74 (8th)
    SCF%: 51.28 (5th)

    In all shot metrics except SF/60 he ranks ahead of McDavid and Draisaitl.

    I’m with you.

  70. norm_klassen says:

    Hopefully its koski tonight and it’s a win and your in philosophy

  71. Darth Tu says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Question for the group: why was Jurco waived? What about his performance indicated that he can’t play at this level?

    CF/60: 53.41 (5th among 16 Oilers forwards)
    CF%: 50.99 (5th)
    FF/60: 39.41 (4th)
    FF%: 52.78 (3rd)
    SF/60: 24.89 (11th)
    SF%: 51.61 (6th)
    GF/60: 2.07 (5th)
    GF%: 57.14 (5th)
    xGF/60: 2.06 (7th)
    xGF%: 52.24 (6th)
    SCF/60: 20.74 (8th)
    SCF%: 51.28 (5th)

    In all shot metrics except SF/60 he ranks ahead of McDavid and Draisaitl.

    How does Chiasson stack up compared to Jurco? (At work so can’t run the numbers myself). I’d almost rather we waived him instead of Jurco. I can’t see anyone claiming Chiasson based on current form and contract.

  72. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “Oilers could use a scoring winger about now, and a No. 3 center too. I maintain, and have since this story first broke, the only way Holland has this reflect badly on him is by taking less than 100 cents on the dollar in return for the big winger. Problem is: What is full value for Jesse Puljujarvi right now?”

    A couple of ideas that have been floating around the internet to fill these roles:

    3C: Benning + Khaira to NJ for Zacha
    2W: Puljujarvi + 2020 1st (top-10 protected) to DET for Athanasiou

    Comments?

    Way too much for a 25 yo .5 PPG player. Maybe JP only

  73. Pouzar says:

    Jason Gregor (@JasonGregor) · Twitter
    https://twitter.com/JasonGregor

    Lineup against Devils tonight.
    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Neal-RNH-Chiasson
    Khaira-Sheahan-Archibald
    Granlund-Haas-P. Russell

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Persson
    K.Russell-Benning

    Koskinen

  74. ArmchairGM says:

    Oilman99: When they get healthy, the Avs could hoist the cup this year with out changing anything, not sure they want a long term aging contract on the books, they will give the money to Rantanen.

    They already have. And they still have $6M in cap space.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    No-brainer to get Persson back in over Manning and Russell back to the preferred left side and 3LD but good to see it confirmed.

  76. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    Could Jason Spezza play 3C for us? Super-low salary, probably lower acquisition cost.

    Asking for a friend.

  77. Pouzar says:

    My Gord that bottom 6.
    The Sheahan line is bleeding like a pig 5v5 and should be a 4th line on any other team only b/c they are rockin the PK.

    And that 4th line…well coach hates The Haas.

  78. ArmchairGM says:

    Darth Tu: How does Chiasson stack up compared to Jurco? (At work so can’t run the numbers myself).I’d almost rather we waived him instead of Jurco.I can’t see anyone claiming Chiasson based on current form and contract.

    Chiasson’s shot metrics are slightly better, but his GF/60 and GF% are underwater.

  79. who says:

    Darth Tu: If we have the cash I’d do that too.Max I’d do term wise is 5 years – and for the record, I love Hall as a player.I’m just worried about paying someone 8-10 mill in their mid 30s.

    Ignoring the need for a top 6 winger, what about targetting Subban? He’s not getting the minutes or the PP1 time in Jersey. He’s on a $9 million AAV contract for another 2 seasons after this one.Interestingly it’s $2 million base salary with $6 million signing bonuses after this season, so essentially buy out proof.Again there’s a cash flow issue so we’d need to move out Russell and Benning to make it work.Gets you a top 6 for next season that looks like this though:

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Subban
    Jones/Lagesson-Larsson

    Or if we move Larsson instead you’re left with:

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Subban
    Russell-Bouchard/Jones

    Do you really think Subban is a difference maker anymore? My sense is that he is starting to slide downhill.
    He also plays a position that is no longer an organizational weakness.
    Plus he brings a lot of baggage and background noise into a dressing room.

  80. JimmyV1965 says:

    Cassandra: Clearly the wrong decision.The Oilers continue to wallow in mediocrity.

    Even if you like Benson there is no reason you can’t have both.This team is more than one player away and is chalk full of useless players.

    They should add three skilled players.

    This isn’t a video game. It doesn’t matter what you believe about Petan, there’s not a single GM in the real world using their 49th contract to claim him off waivers. This is ridiculous. If a GM is truly interested in Petan and they have 48 contracts, they make a trade.

  81. godot10 says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    Could Jason Spezza play 3C for us?Super-low salary, probably lower acquisition cost.

    Asking for a friend.

    He can’t skate. He can’t PK. How many of those guys does one need? Neal, Gagner. One is more than enough, and the OIlers have two already.

  82. ArmchairGM says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    Could Jason Spezza play 3C for us?Super-low salary, probably lower acquisition cost.

    Asking for a friend.

    Pretty sure he doesn’t PK, if that’s important.

  83. Pouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Chiasson’s shot metrics are slightly better, but his GF/60 and GF% are underwater.

    What I don’t understand is that if Coach/GM have seen enough of Jurco wtf are they concluding when they observe everyone else down there?

  84. who says:

    ArmchairGM: Russell + Neal for Subban?

    Sure. Should be an easy trade to make.
    I’m sure Russell will agree to go to Jersey.
    And I’m sure Jersey wants 3.5 years of Neal at 5.75 and 1.5 years of Russell at 4.
    Good grief!

  85. who says:

    ArmchairGM: Benning alone is worth a 2nd. Khaira is probably worth a 4th or 5th.

    If Benning was worth a 2nd he would already be gone.

  86. Side says:

    who: If Benning was worth a 2nd he would already be gone.

    Maybe he would have been gone, until Larsson got injured.

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    As far as the Condors:

    – Tyler Benson has really come on the last 3-4 games – last weekend, he was the best Condor forward in both games – he didn’t get a point in the first game but was fantastic and finally potted a couple in the 2nd game. If the depth scoring remains an issue after Nygard is back and the healthy roster has had some time, as of now, he’s my option.

    Yamamoto is still playing well but his offensive driving is down a bit from the beginning of the year. WIth that said, he’s a top PK guy for the Condors and playing in all situations – a tenacious player that is drawing a PIM per game.

    Evan Bouchard is developing and not in the conversation for the the Oilers – Woodcroft all but said that as well last week talking about the things they are asking him to work on – defensive urgency and physical battle net front.

    Caleb Jones should get the call the next time they need to insert a d-man in to the lineup. Brandon Manning just can’t be a real option any longer – not with Jones playing just as well as last year, upwards of 25 min/game (thanks Wheat).

  88. pts2pndr says:

    Dr. Taboggan: This is true.

    I would be shocked if Hall signs for less than 10 million.

    If he signs for less than 8 years that number goes up.

    I know he wants to play for a contender but he can sign with a contender and still get paid. Look at Tavares.

    Contender/pretender. Look at their goals against. They have offence but heir D is lacking. It will be an interesting season in Leaf land as much is expected.

  89. drglen says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    Could Jason Spezza play 3C for us?Super-low salary, probably lower acquisition cost.

    Asking for a friend.

    i’d go for Spezza if price was right.

  90. Yeti says:

    Pouzar: What I don’t understand is that if Coach/GM have seen enough of Jurco wtf are they concluding when they observe everyone else down there?

    That they prefer Nygard?

  91. pts2pndr says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Question for the group: why was Jurco waived? What about his performance indicated that he can’t play at this level?

    CF/60: 53.41 (5th among 16 Oilers forwards)
    CF%: 50.99 (5th)
    FF/60: 39.41 (4th)
    FF%: 52.78 (3rd)
    SF/60: 24.89 (11th)
    SF%: 51.61 (6th)
    GF/60: 2.07 (5th)
    GF%: 57.14 (5th)
    xGF/60: 2.06 (7th)
    xGF%: 52.24 (6th)
    SCF/60: 20.74 (8th)
    SCF%: 51.28 (5th)

    In all shot metrics except SF/60 he ranks ahead of McDavid and Draisaitl.

    I think he was waved as management wanted him to get playing time in a top six role in the A while they worked out the situation on the big team. He needs to play in an offensive role. There was no way that was possible given the Chaisson, Neal, Nygard, JJ and Gagner etc. They felt I believe, that it was worth the gamble to get him playing significant minutes to help the team when called up.

  92. Theil says:

    Not trolling at all, and the thought makes me sick to my stomach, but I think we need to brace ourselves for the possibility of Hall in a Flames jersey. I’ve always feared a trade involving Gaudreau (a NJ boy) after the Flames finally realize he’s only a regular season hero, bringing in Hall instead. I realize their salary situations are very different right now, but not all fears are rational.

    Looking for Haas to continue his path toward being a legit NHL player tonight.

    I’d be on board with acquiring AA for a fair price, and extending him before his shooting percentage recovers to around $3M per for a medium term contract. He can burn.

  93. jtblack says:

    ArmchairGM: I agree in principle, but there are many useful mid-range players available in free agency every summer that could help this team immensely. Kreider, for instance, would be a $5.5M x 4 deal with zero assets out. That has value.

    Last summer, guys like Connolly, Dzingel, Johanssen and Donskoi were available at reasonable rates, if we had one of those guys right now this team would have a much better balanced attack.

    Let me clarify. I would def take a chance on a Mid Range UFA. shorter term and less dollars removes a big chunk of the risk.

    I do not want to overpay for a player when their best years are clearly behind them and we don’t know how many decent years they will have … I think Hall should be Good for a while, but nobody knows how healthy he will be ….

    The Karlsson contract in SJ not looking good already …and everyone thought he was a Great Add .

    Mid Range signing. YES

    BIG UFA signing. NO

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lineup confirmed as anticipated:

    Lineup against Devils tonight.

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Neal-RNH-Chiasson
    Khaira-Sheahan-Archibald
    Granlund-Haas-P. Russell

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Persson
    K.Russell-Benning

    Koskinen

  95. Cassandra says:

    JimmyV1965: This isn’t a video game. It doesn’t matter what you believe about Petan, there’s not a single GM in the real world using their 49th contract to claim him off waivers. This is ridiculous. If a GM is truly interested in Petan and they have 48 contracts, they make a trade.

    Most teams that are run well don’t need Petan. They have deep rosters and they don’t have playing time to give him.

    Washington has Leipsic
    Vancouver has Leivo
    Las Vegas has Pirri
    St. Louis just traded away Fabbri
    Calgary has Mangiapane and Czarnik
    Nashville has Grimaldi

    All of these guys are good players, similar to Petan. But it makes sense makes sense for these teams to pass. There is only so much playing time to go around. The question isn’t why these teams aren’t picking him up. The question why the team with the worst forward depth in the entire league isn’t picking him up. And to this there is not a single, possible, reason.

  96. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    godot10: He can’t skate.He can’t PK.How many of those guys does one need?Neal, Gagner.One is more than enough, and the OIlers have two already.

    He’s got 4 points at 5on5 in 9 games. 16 shots. Our bottom six tonight has 4 total points. He’s way down the batting order in Toronto too. I think he makes league minimum salary. Probably help the powerplay and a good veteran by all accounts. There are worse bets to be made.

    3C is our biggest problem in my mind right now, and I’d hate to see it go on all season. We could probably get Spezza for an ECHL player right now.

  97. ArmchairGM says:

    Pouzar:
    Jason Gregor (@JasonGregor) · Twitter
    https://twitter.com/JasonGregor

    Lineup against Devils tonight.
    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Neal-RNH-Chiasson
    Khaira-Sheahan-Archibald
    Granlund-Haas-P. Russell

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Persson
    K.Russell-Benning

    Koskinen

    Line 1: 206:31 TOI, 47.72 CF%, 76.19 GF% (16-5), 51.81 HDSC% (43-40)
    Line 2: 59:31 TOI, 57.39 CF%, 50.00 GF% (2-2), 76.47 HDSC% (13-4)
    Line 3: 31:49 TOI, 57.69 CF%, 00.00 GF% (0-2), 40.00 HDSC% (2-3)
    Line 4: 1:13 TOI

    Wow, that Nuge line is stingy with HD chances, allowing just 4 per sixty. They are winning the possession battle too, so I think that GF% should move north fairly quickly. The McDavid line is running hot and getting great goaltending, hopefully both continue. They’re running 1.111 PDO.

    Pair 1: 266:34 TOI, 51.91 CF%, 41.67 GF% (10-14), 57.29 HDSC% (55-41)
    Pair 2: 105:40 TOI, 47.37 CF%, 45.45 GF% (5-6), 40.00 HDSC% (16-24)
    Pair 3: 105:36 TOI, 45.22 CF%, 83.33 GF% (5-1), 40.00 HDSC% (10-15)

    Looks like Klefbom-Persson are high even in their own end, lots of HD chances against. The Nurse-Bear GF% might correct itself as the season rolls, but they do play against the best every night and you can usually count on the best players scoring more per HD than the rest. The 3rd pair corsi’s like Russell but GF’s like Benning – everyone that Russell gets paired with experiences a drop in corsi and everyone benefits in the GF department when with Benning. Luck? It’s been like this for more than 3 years, ladies and men.

  98. ArmchairGM says:

    who: Sure. Should be an easy trade to make.
    I’m sure Russell will agree to go to Jersey.
    And I’m sure Jersey wants 3.5 years of Neal at 5.75 and 1.5 years of Russell at 4.
    Good grief!

    It was a joke. Chill.

  99. ArmchairGM says:

    who: If Benning was worth a 2nd he would already be gone.

    Nope, he’s a lot more useful to this team than a 2020 2nd would be. Come next summer and that might change.

  100. jtblack says:

    Cassandra: Clearly the wrong decision.The Oilers continue to wallow in mediocrity.

    Even if you like Benson there is no reason you can’t have both.This team is more than one player away and is chalk full of useless players.

    They should add three skilled players.

    AGREE with Cassandra on this one ….

  101. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack: Let me clarify.I would def take a chance on a Mid Range UFA.shorter term and less dollars removes a big chunk of the risk.

    I do not want to overpay for a player when their best years are clearly behind them and we don’t know how many decent years they will have … I think Hall should be Good for a while, but nobody knows how healthy he will be ….

    The Karlsson contract in SJ not looking good already …and everyone thought he was a Great Add .

    Mid Range signing. YES

    BIG UFA signing.NO

    Agree with most of this… I didn’t like the Karlsson contract from the start. 😉

  102. drglen says:

    Neal has gone cold.

  103. ashley says:

    Taylor Hall? I’d rather have Tyler Seguin. 😉

  104. ArmchairGM says:

    drglen:
    Neal has gone cold.

    Two goals in the past 6 games, if he continues to score at that pace he’ll end up with 33. What we need to be worried about is the -9 in the past 6 games…

  105. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    Jurco is a more complete player in my opinion than a number of farm players you have mentioned that could help the Oilers. It will be interesting to see how he does in comparison with those players given the same level of competition.✌️

  106. ashley says:

    I would pass on Subban. Defenders must be able to defend. There is a reason he’s on his third team in this contract. His player type has limited value if not negative value. Getting rid of Subban was addition by subtraction for MTL and NSH. Any salary cap savings are bonus.

    Boxcars are a coarse and unreliable method of evaluating a defender.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    BONE:
    Taylor Hall…3x$7 mill.

    $55 million for a career would be ok. Hopefully a cup too

    Do you believe that there is a realistic chance he signs a contract like that?

    I know Hall has been saying all the things about wanting to win and money is secondary but, at the end of the day, he is going to get paid.

    I believe he will still be looking for term – maybe it won’t be 7-8 years (could be though) but 5-6 at least.

    If he did sign for 3 years, assuming he has a generally healthy year and is in the 90 point range, that AAV will be north of $10M I believe.

    Personally, I would much rather sign Hall for 3 years @ $10.5M than 7 years at $9.5M (or $11M).

    I’d actually be on board with a 3 year, $31.5M contract for Hall but, of course, although I’m sure the Oilers could maneuver to fit it in, I don’t think that will help with the “balance” and make the team better overall.

  108. Pouzar says:

    Yeti: That they prefer Nygard?

    Who’s Nygard?

  109. HT Joe says:

    Does anyone think that Buffalo is a good landing spot for UFA Hall? They have a lot of talent, and have a coach in Krueger who Hal would trust and respect.

  110. Pouzar says:

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman (@DNBsports) · Twitter
    https://twitter.com/DNBsports

    Oilers defenceman Adam Larsson spoke after skating today. He says he’s hoping to be back in a week and a half. Two weeks seems like a worst-case scenario to him. Nothing set in stone though.
    9 mins ago

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ont hing I’m looking forward to in Larsson’s return is getting him back on the PK and taking some of Bear’s PK minutes which may allow the staff to up Bear’s PP minutes.

    Matheson specifically asked Coach T if he’d thought about Bear on PP1 yesterday and Coach T was like “we’ve thought about alot of things” and basically implied that it is something they’ve discussed.

    Managing load with Bear is important in my mind. He’s become a very important player on the team but the NHL and its schedule is a grind and he’s playing tough minutes. I’d like to see him on PP1 as well but I think it behooves the staff to ensure he’s not playing too many minutes overall.

  112. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: What do you mean by this? You do realize that Hall+RNH weren’t especially great together, right?

    Imma gonna go ahead and disagree with you here Normie.

    I think the putridness of the teams they played on has faded from people’s memories over time.

    Here’s something to bring it back home:

    5v5 GF% 12/13 – 15/16
    Hall & RNH On 52.!%
    Hall & RNH Off 37.7%
    Difference 14.4%

    Hall and RNH had a 5v5 GF% 14.4% better than the rest of the team, and they played vs the best in the NHL.

    Let’s compare this to two better players:

    5v5 GF% 16/17 – 19/20
    McDavid & Draisaitl On 58.9%
    McDavid & Draisaitl Off 43.9%
    Difference 15%

    McDavid and Draisaitl had a 5v5 GF% 15% better than the rest of the team, and the played vs the best in the NHL.

    Does this mean that Hall & RNH were are good as 97 & 29? No, of course not.

    What it does mean is that they best the best (and were over 50%) on a very bad team with very bad Dcorps and outperformed their team almost as much as 97 & 29.

    So your posit of ” You do realize that Hall+RNH weren’t especially great together, right?” is very wrong.

    Now imagine that as your 2nd line…….

  113. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Before we get too high on our chances against the Devils, they’re 4-2-2 in their last 8 games.

  114. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Andreas Athanasiou, 15 GP 1-6-7, -19

    Minus nineteen. Worst in the league by five goals.

    Yes there are always asterisks with that stat, but holy moly the man is getting smoked.

  115. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: So your posit of ” You do realize that Hall+RNH weren’t especially great together, right?” is very wrong.

    Now imagine that as your 2nd line…….

    Pretty sure it was LT who once said, “get good players, trade good players”

  116. McSorley33 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Question for the group: why was Jurco waived? What about his performance indicated that he can’t play at this level?

    CF/60: 53.41 (5th among 16 Oilers forwards)
    CF%: 50.99 (5th)
    FF/60: 39.41 (4th)
    FF%: 52.78 (3rd)
    SF/60: 24.89 (11th)
    SF%: 51.61 (6th)
    GF/60: 2.07 (5th)
    GF%: 57.14 (5th)
    xGF/60: 2.06 (7th)
    xGF%: 52.24 (6th)
    SCF/60: 20.74 (8th)
    SCF%: 51.28 (5th)

    In all shot metrics except SF/60 he ranks ahead of McDavid and Draisaitl.

    Well, I posted this a few times during games – Jurco along the D wall resembled Lucic trying to
    get the puck out.

    Two – the continued attempts to toe drag or deke NHL D in one on one situations in the O zone.

    Now, again, I want to be clear – l like Jurco far more than some of the bottom 6 the Oiler have currently up with the NHL roster.

  117. PennersPancakes says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Andreas Athanasious, 15 GP 1-6-7, -19

    Minus nineteen. Worst in the league by five goals.

    Yes there are always asterisks with that stat, but holy moly the man is getting smoked.

    True about the asterisks. Entire team sucks but hes the worst by 8. I mean Howard and Bernier are both rocking .887s and Athanasiou is shooting 2.8 instead of carrer average 12.4.

    Safe to say hes under performing but no reason he wont bounce back. For how much we talk about PDO his personal is at 82.9%!

  118. jake70 says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Andreas Athanasiou, 15 GP 1-6-7, -19

    Minus nineteen. Worst in the league by five goals.

    Yes there are always asterisks with that stat, but holy moly the man is getting smoked.

    Season ends right near the Masters tournament in April….he is getting warmed up for he green jacket. Yak won one or two didn’t he?

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    BrantfordBoy:
    I sense a Taylor Hall thread coming… I’ve never made to many comments about it, I was livid like the rest, but I do enjoy watching Larsson defend.

    So in the spirit if LT’s suggestion, what gets Hall back here?Now, and at the deadline?
    “Now” it has to look something like: JP, Caleb Jones (but pushing for Bouchard), and 1st round pick?
    How much does that change at the deadline? I assume one of these comes off the floor, but is it at the expense of Bouchard being swapped for Jones?

    For me the question is not just “what gets Hall back here” but, does it make sense to bring Hall back here?

    In isolation, I’d love Hall back here, he’s a wonderful player.

    Of course, in reality, its much more complicated than that.

    1) acquire as a pure rental – it would still cost Bouchard and a 2nd (as per LT and Tyler) or something long those lines. Unless this team is a legit contender, that is simply too expensive. A “maybe playoff team” should not be making a material rental to boost them to a likely playoff team. For me, that type of rental should be reserved for legit playoff teams looking for something to put them over the top.

    2) acquire with a new contract in hand – the price is likely steeper than above but could maybe be justified. Of course, as I’ve expressed many times on here, I think a long term contract for Taylor Hall that kicks in a month before his 29th birthday and pays him for his 30s is a HUGE risk and not one that I think this organization should make.

    If Taylor Hall has the same impact over first 5 years of that new contract as he’s had over the last 5 years, then he’s not value for that contract – it a function of simply not playing enough hockey and I can’t foresee him playing more in his 29-35 years as he did in his 24-29 years.

    A signed Taylor Hall could very well take this team to the next level if he’s generally healthy (even though likely to decline through the term) but, if he’s not able to be healthier than he has been, well that contract likely kills the Oilers chances to build a cup champ over that term. That outcome is just as reasonable, if not more reasonable, to suggest.

    Too risky.

  120. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Imma gonna go ahead and disagree with you here Normie.

    I think the putridness of the teams they played on has faded from people’s memories over time.

    Here’s something to bring it back home:

    5v5 GF% 12/13 – 15/16
    Hall & RNH On 52.!%
    Hall & RNH Off 37.7%
    Difference 14.4%

    Hall and RNH had a 5v5 GF% 14.4% better than the rest of the team, and they played vs the best in the NHL.

    Let’s compare this to two better players:

    5v5 GF%16/17 – 19/20
    McDavid & Draisaitl On58.9%
    McDavid & Draisaitl Off 43.9%
    Difference 15%

    McDavid and Draisaitl had a 5v5 GF% 15% better than the rest of the team, and the played vs the best in the NHL.

    Does this mean that Hall & RNH were are good as 97 & 29?No, of course not.

    What it does mean is that they best the best (and were over 50%) on a very bad team with very bad Dcorps and outperformed their team almost as much as 97 & 29.

    So your posit of ” You do realize that Hall+RNH weren’t especially great together, right?” is very wrong.

    Now imagine that as your 2nd line…….

    Nuge and Hall without Eberle put up a 46.67 GF%, but point taken.

    I was looking at their production together and seeing good but not great numbers. Hall scored 2.31 P/60 with Nuge and 2.37 overall. Nuge scored 1.63 P/60 with Hall and 1.66 overall. They certainly weren’t zooming each other.

  121. Darth Tu says:

    who: Do you really think Subban is a difference maker anymore? My sense is that he is starting to slide downhill.
    He also plays a position that is no longer an organizational weakness.
    Plus he brings a lot of baggage and background noise into a dressing room.

    Yeah – I’m unsure on that to be honest. I like the fact that his contract only runs for 2 years after this one. I was more throwing this out there as an alternative to Hall because we’re likely looking at similar numbers in terms of salary cap.

    http://www.puckiq.com/players/8474056?season=20192020&from_date=&to_date=&tier=

    Weirdly he’s doing better against the Elites than the middle and gritensity lines. He’s def seeing more offensive zone starts, so is possibly a bit sheltered.

    His numbers don’t actually look that bad for this year – I can’t speak much about the Devils as I’ve seen exactly 1 game of theirs this year (against the Oil), so have no real context.

    Subban doesn’t have any NMC or NTC is one selling point for NJ if they are trying to ditch him. At first I thought that he’d probably be unwilling to move to Edmonton at all due to the need to be in the public eye etc. I agree, the baggage would be a distraction.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Before we dare to think about righting a wrong with Taylor Hall we need to know how much salary is coming off the books at the end of this year to make room for him.Anybody got that info available for us lazy bastards please?

    This is fairly easy, the Oilers will have apx $18M to sign/acquire 12 players.

    The Oilers will have about $25M in cap space (s/t final cap number) but that is with only 10 players included. So $25M for 13 players, one being Darnell Nurse.

    Nurse will be in the $7M range (give or take) so there will be about $18M left with a 11 players.

    So $18M for $12 players.

    There isn’t really much room to acquire a 2nd or 3rd tier top 6 forward let alone a Taylor Hall.

    Of course, Holland’s job includes opening up cap space and the primary way to do that is disposing of Kris Russell and his $4M – the question is can he dispose of that contract clean or will he be forced to retain $750K or $1M or take back a contract?

  123. frjohnk says:

    The ultimate troll job by Hall would be if the Oilers paid for his rights at the deadline and come the summer he signed with Calgary.

    I have no doubt that he is going to do the same as Tavares and test FA to see what is out there. Not so much for money but for fit and the chance to compete for the Cup. The Oilers are not a Taylor Hall away from competing for the Cup. Still many holes to fill in. So I dont see the Oilers paying the price to rent him and hope to sign him come the summer.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    BONE207,

    I would do 3 x $9.

    That is the type of contract I would be on board with for Hall if Holland can fit it in without gutting the rest of the team, including the defence. Shit, I’d go up to $10M.

    3 year term is something I would be on board with.

    Anything longer is too risky for me considering the AAV that comes with it.

    Of course, I don’t see how they fit this in without gutting something.

    The only ways I can see it working is:

    – Bouchard popping now and knowing he can replace Larsson at 2RD (and Bear continues on his path)

    – Jones popping and becoming a legit top 4LD and we can trade Nurse (although I don’t know what we’d acquire for Nurse that doesn’t also have cap)

    I don’t see Bouchard popping to replace Larsson (not in the next year) and I don’t see Jones popping to replace Nurse (don’t think he’ll ever get to that level despite his skating)

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “Oilers could use a scoring winger about now, and a No. 3 center too. I maintain, and have since this story first broke, the only way Holland has this reflect badly on him is by taking less than 100 cents on the dollar in return for the big winger. Problem is: What is full value for Jesse Puljujarvi right now?”

    A couple of ideas that have been floating around the internet to fill these roles:

    3C: Benning + Khaira to NJ for Zacha
    2W: Puljujarvi + 2020 1st (top-10 protected) to DET for Athanasiou

    Comments?

    I’d be interested in the Zacha trade but that seems like way too much for AA – not for a 30G scoring burner AA but that is starting to look like a one-off. Efff that kid can fly though.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: What do you mean by this? You do realize that Hall+RNH weren’t especially great together, right?

    This is true, however:

    1) both players are now more mature and experienced (but still in prime years)

    2) they were the 1st line back then and the focus of the opposition – this time, they’d be the 2nd line.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cassandra: Clearly the wrong decision.The Oilers continue to wallow in mediocrity.

    Even if you like Benson there is no reason you can’t have both.This team is more than one player away and is chalk full of useless players.

    They should add three skilled players.

    The player you really want to add has shown to be useless and in the NHL and inferior in the AHL to Benson.

    They should add skilled NHL players but Petan hasn’t shown to be that.

    I’d prefer to call-up Benson (if the current new healthy forwards can’t create a better balance with production) than waste the 49th contract on a poor bet.

  128. Reja says:

    Hall is not signing a 3 or a 5 year deal with anyone. Why would he? Why would I? Why would you? This is his last big payday 7 years at 10ish with the best team possible at winning the cup.

  129. PinkSocks says:

    Oilman99: When they get healthy, the Avs could hoist the cup this year with out changing anything, not sure they want a long term aging contract on the books, they will give the money to Rantanen.

    … Rantanen is already paid. The Avs have cap space to sign Hall to put on their second line and have a terrifying attack 9 forwards deep.

  130. Oil2Oilers says:

    Mr. Manitoba:
    Yesterday during Tippett’s media avail, he said the fancy stats that he looks at say that the Oilers are one of the best teams at moving the puck out of the zone.

    Do the numbers we have access to back this up?

    I don’t have the numbers to back this up, but;

    I attribute better zone exit’s as the #1 reason why the Oilers are performing better than expected. #2 being goal tending, which so far is exceeding expectations.

    Bear taking Russell’s spot on the Right Side is the principal reason for this, second is Tippet’s coaching, third is Persson keeping Russel on the Left.

    If Persson can buy time for Bouchard to matriculate in the minors and provide confidence to Holland that he can find Russell a new home, once Larson returns, he will be doing the Oilers a great service, that will likely out last his contributions on the ice.

  131. PinkSocks says:

    Cassandra:
    .And to this there is not a single, possible, reason.

    I like Petan plenty, however the team is at 48 contracts. That is the single, possible, reason you are looking for.

    Dubas is at 49 contracts so he would love to dump him. I just don’t get your reasoning behind this. Jurco was talented too, he couldn’t cut it, and while I like Petan, is it worth spending a contract spot on a guy with 6 goals in 112 career games?

    We already have too many Petan’s. The Oilers lack the level above him.

  132. Cassandra says:

    OriginalPouzar: The player you really want to add has shown to be useless and in the NHL and inferior in the AHL to Benson.

    They should add skilled NHL players but Petan hasn’t shown to be that.

    I’d prefer to call-up Benson (if the current new healthy forwards can’t create a better balance with production) than waste the 49th contract on a poor bet.

    Your methodology here is so deeply flawed it belies future conversation.

    Petan has not been shown to be “useless” in the NHL. There is no measure that demonstrates this to be the case. He is certainly “unproven,” but that just demonstrates that he hasn’t been given the opportunity. A person cannot fail when they haven’t even had a chance to try.

    We know this to be true. Almost every team in the NHL has contributors who have previously “failed” on other teams. They didn’t become better players, they got a different opportunity.

    It also isn’t true that Benson scored better than Petan at the same age. They both put up a pt/game at an age that indicates they can play in the NHL. But overall, Petan has the better track record, and in his only two games recently in the AHL he had 5 pts and was +4. To use your language “according to reports” he is too good for the AHL. No one talks about Benson that way. So in the short term all the evidence points to him being the better player even if Benson has more upside because he is younger.

    But all of this is a red herring since the conventional wisdom, which you yourself have endorsed, is to leave Benson et al in the minors for half a year for development purposes. In which case, there is no choice between Petan and Benson. The choice is between Petan and Khaira, so your argument is moo.

    So you pick Petan up and you still have Benson. Win-win, and it costs you nothing but the opportunity cost of an imaginary player down the line.

  133. PinkSocks says:

    OriginalPouzar: The player you really want to add has shown to be useless and in the NHL and inferior in the AHL to Benson.

    They should add skilled NHL players but Petan hasn’t shown to be that.

    I’d prefer to call-up Benson (if the current new healthy forwards can’t create a better balance with production) than waste the 49th contract on a poor bet.

    Exactly. And further. if the 49th spot was to be used, it would have already been spent on either Ho-Sang or Sprong, not Nick Petan.

  134. Cassandra says:

    PinkSocks: I like Petan plenty, however the team is at 48 contracts.That is the single, possible, reason you are looking for.

    Dubas is at 49 contracts so he would love to dump him.I just don’t get your reasoning behind this.Jurco was talented too, he couldn’t cut it, and while I like Petan, is it worth spending a contract spot on a guy with 6 goals in 112 career games?

    We already have too many Petan’s.The Oilers lack the level above him.

    I don’t think the Leafs want to dump Petan. They gave him a two year contract so they could get him up and down through waivers easier. They signed a whole boatload of guys like this (Aberg, Agostini, etc) so they would have depth when they needed it.

    It is sad that the Marlies have better forwards than the Oilers. Agostino is another player that can play in the NHL and the Leafs clearly prefer Petan.

    The Oilers sort of did this as well. The problem is they paid more for it (Granlund, Chiasson, Khaira) and so are stuck with their choices even though their players are in many ways worse.

  135. Cassandra says:

    PinkSocks: Exactly.And further. if the 49th spot was to be used, it would have already been spent on either Ho-Sang or Sprong, not Nick Petan.

    Petan is better than Ho-sang, less sure about Sprong.

    In any case, if the Oilers had pick up Sprong I would be complaining a lot less about Petan even though I think he’s better.

  136. RonnieB says:

    Cassandra: Most teams that are run well don’t need Petan.They have deep rosters and they don’t have playing time to give him.

    Washington has Leipsic
    Vancouver has Leivo
    Las Vegas has Pirri
    St. Louis justtraded away Fabbri
    Calgary has Mangiapane and Czarnik
    Nashville has Grimaldi

    All of these guys are good players, similar to Petan. But it makes sense makes sense for these teams to pass.There is only so much playing time to go around. The question isn’t why these teams aren’t picking him up.The question why the team with the worst forward depth in the entire league isn’t picking him up.And to this there is not a single, possible, reason.

    Some would see his 6 goals in 117 NHL games at his age (24) as a pretty good reason.

  137. Wilde says:

    PinkSocks:
    We already have too many Petan’s. The Oilers lack the level above him.

    Do we? I’d say we have too many Archibald/Khaira/Granlund/Russells. Petan is more of a Jurcoesque ticket.

    I do wonder if Tippett ever legit considered Jurco on the 1Line. Feels like if the opening is there (and with Kassian off for Gagner it was) then you owe it to yourself to try him there before you boot him. That’s just resource management.

  138. JimmyV1965 says:

    Cassandra: Lineup

    Totally missed my point.

  139. snfu says:

    Cassandra:
    Taylor Hall is my favourite player.But time waits for no one.He’s a depreciating asset.He’s still good, but he’s not the dynamo he used to be.

    Buyer Beware.

    quoted for truth, many oiler fans hold too much love for former players. We always talk about not signing aging players to big / long contracts… yet many want an oft injured / high risk / aging winger.. I’ll never understand why.

  140. Cassandra says:

    Wilde: Do we? I’d say we have too many Archibald/Khaira/Granlund/Russells. Petan is more of a Jurcoesque ticket.

    I do wonder if Tippett ever legit considered Jurco on the 1Line. Feels like if the opening is there (and with Kassian off for Gagner it was) then you owe it to yourself to try him there before you boot him. That’s just resource management.

    I agree. With these guys it sure seems as if their mind is made up in advance. There is no other way to make sense of how some players get countless opportunities regardless of the results while other players never get those opportunities.

    Hockey isn’t baseball. Just because you are in the lineup doesn’t mean you’ve been given an opportunity. The kinds of players we are talking about need to play with other skilled players if you are going to measure them by points.

    This doesn’t mean they don’t do other things well but the problem is that everyone impugns qualities to them that don’t exist if they don’t score. They are “too slow” for the NHL or “poor defensively” when there is no evidence of either. Meanwhile guys like Khaira are judged by entirely different criteria.

    We saw this just yesterday. Many were describing Petan as slow or with skating issues, when nothing could be further than the truth.

    It makes me very suspicious of Marody’s so-called skating issues. Meanwhile a guy like Griffin Reinhart, who is one of the worst skaters I have ever seen, is defended long past his due date by the very same people.

  141. Harpers Hair says:

    frjohnk:
    The ultimate troll job by Hall would be if the Oilers paid for his rights at the deadline and come the summer he signed with Calgary.

    I have no doubt that he is going to do the same as Tavares and test FA to see what is out there.Not so much for money but for fit and the chance to compete for the Cup.The Oilers are not a Taylor Hall away from competing for the Cup.Still many holes to fill in.So I dont see the Oilers paying the price to rent him and hope to sign him come the summer.

    frjohnk:
    The ultimate troll job by Hall would be if the Oilers paid for his rights at the deadline and come the summer he signed with Calgary.

    I have no doubt that he is going to do the same as Tavares and test FA to see what is out there.Not so much for money but for fit and the chance to compete for the Cup.The Oilers are not a Taylor Hall away from competing for the Cup.Still many holes to fill in.So I dont see the Oilers paying the price to rent him and hope to sign him come the summer.

    There is some smoke coming from STL that they might try and acquire Hall now that Tarasenko is on LTIR.

    If Tarasenko comes back just for the playoffs there is no cap hit associated.

    I would imagine STL would also need Hall to commit to a new contract which they might be able to accommodate with Pietrangelo and Bouwmeester coming of the books. ($9.74 million combined)

  142. Yeti says:

    Pouzar: Who’s Nygard?

    Is that a philosophical question?

  143. PinkSocks says:

    Cassandra: Petan is better than Ho-sang, less sure about Sprong.

    In any case, if the Oilers had pick up Sprong I would be complaining a lot less about Petan even though I think he’s better.

    I’m not sure. Call it a draw between them, I’d prefer the skill of Sprong/Ho-Sang over the skill of Petan. But this is all just opinion.

  144. ArmchairGM says:

    Oil2Oilers: provide confidence to Holland that he can find Russell a new home

    My #1 Russell destination: Calgary.

    – Russell would certainly have Calgary on his trade list
    – Calgary has demonstrated in the Neal-Lucic deal that they were sensitive to actual money paid vs just cap hit (that deal saved them something like US$10M)
    – Calgary only has 3 returning defensemen next year
    – they have ~$24M in cap space with no significant RFA’s to sign
    – they have all their 2021 picks still – a 5th would be fine
    – they LOVE Edmonton’s sloppy seconds.

    😀

  145. PinkSocks says:

    Wilde: Do we? I’d say we have too many Archibald/Khaira/Granlund/Russells. Petan is more of a Jurcoesque ticket.

    I do wonder if Tippett ever legit considered Jurco on the 1Line. Feels like if the opening is there (and with Kassian off for Gagner it was) then you owe it to yourself to try him there before you boot him. That’s just resource management.

    I agree too many of Archibald/Khaira/Granlund/Russelll and that Petan is more Jurco, just saying that the Oilers have too many bottom of the roster players in general.

    I wish Tippett had given Jurco a shot there, the same way I wish JP had been given that chance, and, to a lesser extent, even Spooner last year. I hope Nygard gets a push, seems his speed would be a nice thing to have on Connor’s wing, but more than likely he plays a limited 5v5 role on a checking line.

    The saddest part is that had Sprong or Ho-Sang or Petan been claimed, they would have been tied to offensive juggernauts like Sheahan or Granlund. I like the Khaira-Sheahan-Archibald combo, as a fourth line, but like you, I agree the resource mismanagement is staggering when it seems so simple. Jurco is not now and will never be a driver of a line in the NHL, and the only way he is going to succeed is playing with skill.

  146. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: If Benning was worth a 2nd he would already be gone.

    I don’t think I can agree with this. The Oilers just had Kris Russell playing 2RD for 7 games in a row and Brandon Manning filling in at 3LD. Imagine if they didn’t have Matt Benning. Yes, they would probably call up Caleb Jones at the point and we would have been running with:

    Nurse/Bear
    Klefbom/Russell
    Manning/Jones

    Lagesson

    While he’s only played about 25 minutes at 5 on 5 above the third pairing, Benning’s goal share is over 70% and his metrics have been near the top of the Oilers’ defence, year over year over year. He’s plus 8, plus 5, plus 11, plus 8 in his four year NHL career. There has been a decent amount of 2nd pairing time in there and on bad teams (but for one year).

    Good metrics, just about to hit his prime, under $2M, RFA at year’s end.

    He is an asset with value – both as an Oiler and in a trade.

  147. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: Pretty sure it was LT who once said, “get good players, trade good players”

    Pete broke my heart.

    I called LT shortly after they won the McLottery and said “they’ll win the top 6 match ups, all they need to do is not fuck up the bottom six”

    Little did I know.

  148. Oil2Oilers says:

    ArmchairGM: My #1 Russell destination: Calgary.

    – Russell would certainly have Calgary on his trade list– Calgary has demonstrated in the Neal-Lucic deal that they were sensitive to actual money paid vs just cap hit (that deal saved them something like US$10M)– Calgary only has 3 returning defensemen next year– they have ~$24M in cap space with no significant RFA’s to sign– they have all their 2021 picks still – a 5th would be fine– they LOVE Edmonton’s sloppy seconds.

    😀

    This would bring me joy

  149. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk,

    The Oilers are not a Taylor Hall away from competing for the Cup 55% GF is massive as they play ~2/3 the game and it’s the toughest 2/3.

    I’ve examined GF% and CF% of 1st lines, 2nd lines, bottom 6 of NHL teams over 10 years of data.

    Destroying the top 6 and getting >45% GF% out of the bottom 6 is a Cup contending team.

    Decent Dcorps and goalies are important, but I think the Dcorps is very close and this coach is good for goalies with his emphasis on the rickibox.

  150. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Oilers first 7 games: 29 GF = 4.1 G/GP. McDavid 17 points, Draisaitl 15.

    Oilers next 10 games: 19 GF, 1.9 G/GP. Draisaitl 14 points, McDavid 9 points.

    Make that 5 goals in the last 10 games where Draisaitl wasn’t involved. The two times this year Leon got shut out, the Oilers got shut out.

    Then there are these startling splits:

    Draisaitl: 13 goals, 14 primary assists, 2 secondary assists.
    McDavid: 8 goals, 10 primary assists, 8 secondary assists.

    Surprising enough that Leon has 29 points to Connor’s 26, but when it comes to primary points the margin is a startling 27 to 18.

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    Theil:
    Not trolling at all, and the thought makes me sick to my stomach, but I think we need to brace ourselves for the possibility of Hall in a Flames jersey. I’ve always feared a trade involving Gaudreau (a NJ boy) after the Flames finally realize he’s only a regular season hero, bringing in Hall instead. I realize their salary situations are very different right now, but not all fears are rational.

    Looking for Haas to continue his path toward being a legit NHL player tonight.

    I’d be on board with acquiring AA for a fair price, and extending him before his shooting percentage recovers to around $3M per for a medium term contract. He can burn.

    If the flames can find the cap room, yup, I think the flames are a realistic landing destination.

    Personally, I would LOVE if the flames signed Hall to a 7 X $10.5M deal.

    Pay that man big money for his declining 30s.

    Now, if they signed him to 3 X $9M, I would not be happy but I don’t see that happening.

  152. Harpers Hair says:

    ArmchairGM: My #1 Russell destination: Calgary.

    – Russell would certainly have Calgary on his trade list– Calgary has demonstrated in the Neal-Lucic deal that they were sensitive to actual money paid vs just cap hit (that deal saved them something like US$10M)– Calgary only has 3 returning defensemen next year– they have ~$24M in cap space with no significant RFA’s to sign– they have all their 2021 picks still – a 5th would be fine– they LOVE Edmonton’s sloppy seconds.

    Can’t imagine Calgary won’t re-sign Hamonic, Andersson and Kylington.

  153. PinkSocks says:

    Cassandra: I agree.With these guys it sure seems as if their mind is made up in advance.There is no other way to make sense of how some players get countless opportunities regardless of the results while other players never get those opportunities.

    Hockey isn’t baseball.Just because you are in the lineup doesn’t mean you’ve been given an opportunity.The kinds of players we are talking about need to play with other skilled players if you are going to measure them by points.

    This doesn’t mean they don’t do other things well but the problem is that everyone impugns qualities to them that don’t exist if they don’t score.They are “too slow” for the NHL or “poor defensively” when there is no evidence of either.Meanwhile guys like Khaira are judged by entirely different criteria.

    We saw this just yesterday.Many were describing Petan as slow or with skating issues, when nothing could be further than the truth.

    It makes me very suspicious of Marody’s so-called skating issues.Meanwhile a guy like Griffin Reinhart, who is one of the worst skaters I have ever seen, is defended long past his due date by the very same people.

    This also shows why the Oilers wouldn’t use the contract spot on Petan. First, they need more than what Petan brings to the table, and second, he isn’t going to be put in a position to succeed. We have seen this highlighted over the past seasons with strange roster decisions. Why bother bumping from 48 to 49 contacts when Petan is going to play with Sheahan/Granlund/Archibald/Khaira/Haas and the like, or play 2 minutes with McDavid and/or Draisaitl only to be bumped down? The problem isn’t in claiming or not claiming the talented players who have been available on waivers, the problem is that the team doesn’t seem to put players in a position to succeed and they wallow away in the depths of the horrendous bottom 6.

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cassandra: Most teams that are run well don’t need Petan.They have deep rosters and they don’t have playing time to give him.

    Washington has Leipsic
    Vancouver has Leivo
    Las Vegas has Pirri
    St. Louis justtraded away Fabbri
    Calgary has Mangiapane and Czarnik
    Nashville has Grimaldi

    All of these guys are good players, similar to Petan. But it makes sense makes sense for these teams to pass.There is only so much playing time to go around. The question isn’t why these teams aren’t picking him up.The question why the team with the worst forward depth in the entire league isn’t picking him up.And to this there is not a single, possible, reason.

    Pirri – the guy with 1 point?

    There is a reason that 30 teams past on him – because he has not shown to be an NHL player and pretty much all teams, including the Oilers, have a number of tweeners that are likely to be just as good at the NHL level.

    I’m sure the Oilers aren’t the only team that has issues with depth scoring – so all NHL teams that could use some cheap scoring are wrong and you are right?

    There was no reason to use the 49th contract spot on this player when there are internal options that are likely better.

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Two goals in the past 6 games, if he continues to score at that pace he’ll end up with 33. What we need to be worried about is the -9 in the past 6 games…

    4 empty net goals and a SH goal (for which he had zero culpability).

    That -9 is far from representative which is why I’ve learned from the smart people to use 5 X 5 goal differential, not plus/minus

  156. Oil2Oilers says:

    My first choice for Puljujarvi would be for him to resign with the Oilers and play with Nuge&Neal on the second line. With both wingers on there preferred off side, at least in the offensive zone

    Understandably, to me at least, is Puljujarvi wants a trade. I think two Ken Holland draft picks that would represent a fine return would be Filp Zadina or Micheal Rasmussen

  157. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: Nuge and Hall without Eberle put up a 46.67 GF%, but point taken.

    I was looking at their production together and seeing good but not great numbers. Hall scored 2.31 P/60 with Nuge and 2.37 overall. Nuge scored 1.63 P/60 with Hall and 1.66 overall. They certainly weren’t zooming each other.

    I always first to look to see if they are winning their GF%, as that is what matters most.

    Then I check out most common Dpartners.

    Here’s the top 6 for each over those samples:

    Hall:
    J. Schultz
    Petry
    Ferrence
    Fayne
    Klefbom
    N.Shultz

    McDavid:
    Larsson
    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Russell
    Benning
    Sekera

    Man, Hall went to war with a pop gun and a rusty .22 behind him.

    What he accomplished here in front of the teams he played for is so incredibly under rated.

  158. PinkSocks says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Pete broke my heart.

    I called LT shortly after they won the McLottery and said “they’ll win the top 6 match ups, all they need to do is not fuck up the bottom six”

    Little did I know.

    Pete may have been able to fuck up the bottom six and still had a contender. The problem was he fucked up the bottom 9.

  159. PinkSocks says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    My first choice for Puljujarvi would be for him to resign with the Oilers and play with Nuge&Neal on the second line. With both wingers on there preferred off side, at least in the offensive zone

    Understandably, to me at least, is Puljujarvi wants a trade. I think two Ken Holland draft picks that would represent a fine return would be Filp Zadina or Micheal Rasmussen

    Too bad PC isn’t the GM of the Wings. Problem is that Yzerman would block Ken’s number if he asked for Zadina.

  160. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I always first to look to see if they are winning their GF%, as that is what matters most.

    Then I check out most common Dpartners.

    Here’s the top 6 for each over those samples:

    Hall:
    J. Schultz
    Petry
    Ferrence
    Fayne
    Klefbom
    N.Shultz

    McDavid:
    Larsson
    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Russell
    Benning
    Sekera

    Man, Hall went to war with a pop gun and a rusty .22 behind him.

    What he accomplished here in front of the teams he played for is so incredibly under rated.

    It is. His P/60 over there time period you specified was 9th in the league. Impressive… it’s odd, then, that his production went down when paired with Nuge, whose production also went down when paired with Hall. Which was my point… Hall historically has not made Nuge a better point producer.

    Anyhow, I’m against acquiring Hall now due to the likely prohibitive cost, that and the next contract is likely to be regrettable before long, too.

    But I love the player.

  161. SwedishPoster says:

    Broberg played for the swedish U20 team today, I gazed at the game for a bit wasn’t much to write home about, your typical warm up tournament game with both teams going through the motions. Broberg looked fine but like most if the team didn’t look overly engaged. Played second pair with Minnesota draftee Filip Johansson though they rolled all pairings and lines evenly 5 on 5. He was on both the PP and PK. He got an odd assist after he defended a 2 on 1 by starfishing, not even sure he touched it but the puck went in the corner and was picked up by Nikola Pasic who eventually scored at the other end after a passing play with Samuel Fagemo. Don’t know how Broberg ended up with the assist but he did.

    Pasic easily the best swede btw.

  162. who says:

    ArmchairGM: Nope, he’s a lot more useful to this team than a 2020 2nd would be. Come next summer and that might change.

    When Larsson gets back he is the 6th best dman on the Oilers.
    Someone like Persson, Jones or Lagesson can probably fill his shoes for 1 million less.
    He is very close to becoming redundant on this years team.

  163. Meschkinnes says:

    Dear Bone207

    Do we really need to look an xray of a penis? Can’t you find something more interesting than that?

    This is Lowetide.ca not Oilersnation.. I think we can elevate the content by not having such juvenile images on this blog.

    What do female readers of the blog think when they see this kind of thing?

    Grow up!

  164. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Cassandra,

    It also isn’t true that Benson scored better than Petan at the same age. They both put up a pt/game at an age that indicates they can play in the NHL.

    20 year old AHL year:
    Benson 0.97 pts/gm
    Petan 0..68 pts/m

    Non PP pts/gm – 20 year old year
    Benson 0.62
    Petan 0.47

    Your posit isn’t factual.

  165. Professor Q says:

    Reja:
    Hall isnot signing a 3 or a 5 year deal with anyone. Why would he? Why would I? Why would you?This is his last big payday 7 years at 10ish with the best team possible at winning the cup.

    He’s not getting close to $10 million, in my opinion.

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk:
    The ultimate troll job by Hall would be if the Oilers paid for his rights at the deadline and come the summer he signed with Calgary.

    I have no doubt that he is going to do the same as Tavares and test FA to see what is out there.Not so much for money but for fit and the chance to compete for the Cup.The Oilers are not a Taylor Hall away from competing for the Cup.Still many holes to fill in.So I dont see the Oilers paying the price to rent him and hope to sign him come the summer.

    I can’t imagine Holland paying the massive price to acquire Taylor Hall (the cost will be high, even if a pending UFA rental) without a contract agreement in place. As we’ve discussed, this team is likely not in the market for a material rental. If come February the team is comfortably in a playoff spot and near the top of the conference then, sure, maybe then but we are far from there.

    At the same time, this team isn’t in the position to take the risk of a long term contract on Hall – if they make that bet and Hall doesn’t become a more regular roster player then it absolutely kills Holland’s plan to build a true contender – a new huge anchor.

    Signed to a 3 year term – sure, that changes things but I don’t think its reasonable.

    Would love for the flames to sign him for 7 years at $70M plus.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cassandra: Your methodology here is so deeply flawed it belies future conversation.

    Petan has not been shown to be “useless” in the NHL.There is no measure that demonstrates this to be the case.He is certainly “unproven,” but that just demonstrates that he hasn’t been given the opportunity.A person cannot fail when they haven’t even had a chance to try.

    We know this to be true.Almost every team in the NHL has contributors who have previously “failed” on other teams.They didn’t become better players, they got a different opportunity.

    It also isn’t true that Benson scored better than Petan at the same age.They both put up a pt/game at an age that indicates they can play in the NHL.But overall, Petan has the better track record, and in his only two games recently in the AHL he had 5 pts and was +4.To use your language “according to reports” he is too good for the AHL.No one talks about Benson that way.So in the short term all the evidence points to him being the better player even if Benson has more upside because he is younger.

    But all of this is a red herring since the conventional wisdom, which you yourself have endorsed, is to leave Benson et al in the minors for half a year for development purposes.In which case, there is no choice between Petan and Benson.The choice is between Petan and Khaira, so your argument is moo.

    So you pick Petan up and you still have Benson.Win-win, and it costs you nothing but the opportunity cost of an imaginary player down the line.

    Petan turns 25 before the end of the season and has put up 6 goals and 25 points in 118 games – if there is a lack of opportunity, which I don’t believe to be true, why hasn’t he earned this opportunity?

    Change of scenery? He’s already had that – he’s on his second NHL organization.

    Yes, he produced 32 points in 47 AHL games in his 20-21 year old rookie season – inferior results to Benson in his 20-21 year old season.

    5 points in 2 AHL games is great although it means very little as a 24 year old.

  168. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: 4 empty net goals and a SH goal (for which he had zero culpability).

    That -9 is far from representative which is why I’ve learned from the smart people to use 5 X 5 goal differential, not plus/minus

    So what is his 5×5 goal differential?

  169. drglen says:

    we need a win.

    Sheehan has to be the difference maker tonight. Has Neal ever been on the Sheehan line?

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilOilers:
    My first choice for Puljujarvi would be for him to resign with the Oilers and play with Nuge&Neal on the second line. With both wingers on there preferred off side, at least in the offensive zone

    Understandably, to me at least, is Puljujarvi wants a trade. I think two Ken Holland draft picks that would represent a fine return would be Filp Zadina or Micheal Rasmussen

    I agree with the first choice – come and play some NHL hockey Jesse!

    I can’t imagine Yzerman parting with either of those youngsters for Jesse.

  171. Oil2Oilers says:

    PinkSocks: Too bad PC isn’t the GM of the Wings.Problem is that Yzerman would block Ken’s number if he asked for Zadina.

    Lots of reports out of Detroit that some consider Zadina a bust and available. Which is as foolish as many Oilers rumored/actual decisions over the years.

  172. HT Joe says:

    Harpers Hair:
    There is some smoke coming from STL that they might try and acquire Hall now that Tarasenko is on LTIR.

    If Tarasenko comes back just for the playoffs there is no cap hit associated.

    I would imagine STL would also need Hall to commit to a new contract which they might be able to accommodate with Pietrangelo and Bouwmeester coming of the books. ($9.74 million combined)

    I can’t imagine Hall committing to re-sign to a team employing Chia.

    I can’t be the only person cheering against that team for hiring Pete, can I?

  173. Reja says:

    Professor Q: He’s not getting close to $10 million, in my opinion.

    I bet hall is glad your not his agent. Just kidding but with the cap going up, new TV deal and Seattle watering down the league by at least 30 plus players. I do think he’ll get 7×10 easily.

  174. drglen says:

    These waiver pick ups generally don’t work out and we’d just be bringing another bottom 6 type player that you then have to deal with, and who blocks the progress of your real prospects. I’d like to see Holland dip into the forward prospects sooner rather than later.

    The one exception that immediately comes to mind is Pat Maroon.

    Seems an odd game in that each team really only has about 8 players and a goalie who are actually competitive, and the rest are kind of filling out the dance card. Do we have too many teams?

  175. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: It is. His P/60 over there time period you specified was 9th in the league. Impressive… it’s odd, then, that his production went down when paired with Nuge, whose production also went down when paired with Hall. Which was my point… Hall historically has not made Nuge a better point producer.

    Anyhow, I’m against acquiring Hall now due to the likely prohibitive cost, that and the next contract is likely to be regrettable before long, too.

    But I love the player.

    I don’t like spending high end assets to acquire rentals.

    I’d probably sign him in the summer, but I haven’t completed my analysis yet.

    So far his comps produce well until 35 or so, so the term isn’t an issue.

    His health is an issue but that’s almost like using a magic 8 ball to predict the future.

    Some players get one injury and fall off the face of the earth, other with injury histories in their 20’s stay healthy from 30-35.

    I don’t think there is a definitive answer in regards to health unless the injury is re-occurring.

    Production isn’t nearly the issue as people make it out to be with the comps.

  176. Harpers Hair says:

    HT Joe: I can’t imagine Hall committing to re-sign to a team employing Chia.

    I can’t be the only person cheering against that team for hiring Pete, can I?

    I’m sure you’re not but, if Hall wants to land in a spot with a chance to win, STL wouldn’t be a bad choice.

  177. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: So what is his 5×5 goal differential?

    0-3 in the past 6 games.

  178. drglen says:

    I wonder if Hall goes to Vancouver? Play with petterson, beach, mountain, boats,great japanese food.

  179. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Broberg played for the swedish U20 team today, I gazed at the game for a bit wasn’t much to write home about, your typical warm up tournament game with both teams going through the motions. Broberg looked fine but like most if the team didn’t look overly engaged. Played second pair with Minnesota draftee Filip Johansson though they rolled all pairings and lines evenly 5 on 5. He was on both the PP and PK. He got an odd assist after he defended a 2 on 1 by starfishing, not even sure he touched it but the puck went in the corner and was picked up by Nikola Pasic who eventually scored at the other end after a passing play with Samuel Fagemo. Don’t know how Broberg ended up with the assist but he did.

    Pasic easily the best swede btw.

    Thanks for the write-up – I anticipate he is going to star in the C. Republic at the tourney and Oiler fans are going to fall in love with his skating and puck moving.

    Wonder what it will be like for him going back to play real games, intense games, against kids.

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: When Larsson gets back he is the 6th best dman on the Oilers.
    Someone like Persson,Jones or Lagesson can probably fill his shoes for 1 million less.
    He is very close to becoming redundant on this years team.

    I don’t see Larsson’s skill-set filled by any other d-man – which d-man are you thinking of?

    I imagine that Larsson, not having to carry all the tough top pairing RD minutes is going to be a hell of a performer when he returns.

  181. HT Joe says:

    Harpers Hair: I’m sure you’re not but, if Hall wants to land in a spot with a chance to win, STL wouldn’t be a bad choice.

    Fair. I’m starting to think he signs with Buffalo, Vancouver, or Calgary. Maybe Vegas.

    I think hard feelings ensure he doesn’t sign with the Oilers, Kings (TMac), Anaheim (Eakins), St Louis (Chia), so that eliminates 4 teams in my mind.

  182. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Note: apparently the PIT – MIN trade was fake.

    Opps

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy:
    Cassandra,

    It also isn’t true that Benson scored better than Petan at the same age. They both put up a pt/game at an age that indicates they can play in the NHL.

    20 year old AHL year:
    Benson 0.97 pts/gm
    Petan 0..68 pts/m

    Non PP pts/gm – 20 year old year
    Benson 0.62
    Petan 0.47

    Your posit isn’t factual.

    That wasn’t factual, as we’ve both pointed out.

    Not getting an opportunity seems non-factual given his 118 games and he’s on his third contract.

    Positing change of scenery as a reason for popping seems interesting given he’s already on his second organization.

  184. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: I agree with the first choice – come and play some NHL hockey Jesse!

    I can’t imagine Yzerman parting with either of those youngsters for Jesse.

    What if you add Jesse’s girl.

  185. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Minny has made some awful trades in the last year but that would have been pretty bad even for them.

  186. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: Can’t imagine Calgary won’t re-sign Hamonic, Andersson and Kylington.

    How did Vancouver make out last night asking for a friend.😇

  187. Reja says:

    This is a must win if we’re making the playoffs this year, there I said it. I’m glad we have a couple of PKers back in the line-up. A top 10 PP and PK gets us in.

  188. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: I’m sure you’re not but, if Hall wants to land in a spot with a chance to win, STL wouldn’t be a bad choice.

    I heard Chicago was interested but after last night felt there was no need to add to their offfence.

  189. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t see Larsson’s skill-set filled by any other d-man – which d-man are you thinking of?

    I imagine that Larsson, not having to carry all the tough top pairing RD minutes is going to be a hell of a performer when he returns.

    Sorry I wasn’t very clear. I was talking about Benning.

  190. Harpers Hair says:

    ArmchairGM: 0-3 in the past 6 games.

    I know…don’t tell OP.
    As the shooting percentage drops, the results are cratering.

  191. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dr. Taboggan: This cannot be real?

    Better start calling about Zucker.

    Thank fuck we did not hire Guerin.

    It was fake.

    I felt shame.

    Then I went free.

  192. Lowetide says:

    Oilers WITH Hall

    Line 1 Leon-McD-Neal 26.75M
    Line 2 Hall-Nuge-Yamamoto 17.894M (Hall 11)
    Line 3 Benson-Sheahan-Chiasson 3.76M
    Line 4 Khaira-McLeod-Archibald 3.4M
    Extras Gambardella, Cave 1.4M

    Forwards: 53.204 M

    Pairing One Klefbom-Larsson 8.3M
    Pairing Two Nurse-Bear 7.47M
    Pairing Three Jones-Bouchard 1.75M
    Extra: Lagesson .850M

    Defense: 18.37 M

    Goalie One Koskinen 4.5M
    Goalie Two Starrett .900

    Goal: 5.4 M

    Buyouts and sundry: 4.583 M

    Projected cap (est): 82.5 M
    Projected cap hit: 81.557M

    ==

  193. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers WITH Hall

    Line 1 Leon-McD-Neal 26.75M
    Line 2 Hall-Nuge-Yamamoto 17.894M (Hall 11)
    Line 3 Benson-Sheahan-Chiasson 3.76M
    Line 4 Khaira-McLeod-Archibald 3.4M
    Extras Gambardella, Cave 1.4M

    Forwards: 53.204 M

    Pairing One Klefbom-Larsson 8.3M
    Pairing Two Nurse-Bear 7.47M
    Pairing Three Jones-Bouchard 1.75M
    Extra: Lagesson .850M

    Defense: 18.37 M

    Goalie One Koskinen 4.5M
    Goalie Two Starrett .900

    Goal: 5.4 M

    Buyouts and sundry: 4.583 M

    Projected cap (est): 82.5 M
    Projected cap hit: 81.557M

    ==

    The cap should be higher.
    Sports betting is going to kick in next season.
    Impossible to say how much though.

  194. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair:
    There is some smoke coming from STL that they might try and acquire Hall now that Tarasenko is on LTIR.

    If Tarasenko comes back just for the playoffs there is no cap hit associated.

    I would imagine STL would also need Hall to commit to a new contract which they might be able to accommodate with Pietrangelo and Bouwmeester coming of the books. ($9.74 million combined)

    Kind of funny
    “Pietrangelo coming off the books”
    Ummm Pietrangelo is going to take up that 9 mil dollars for a new contract
    And if he leaves they have much bigger issues
    That is one team that really doesn’t need Hall
    They have a bunch of young talent like Thomas

  195. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide,

    Curious what the Nurse Bear breakdown is
    7.47 seems very low especially that many think Nurse will get 7 mil by himself

  196. nelson88 says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers WITH Hall

    Line 1 Leon-McD-Neal 26.75M
    Line 2 Hall-Nuge-Yamamoto 17.894M (Hall 11)
    Line 3 Benson-Sheahan-Chiasson 3.76M
    Line 4 Khaira-McLeod-Archibald 3.4M
    Extras Gambardella, Cave 1.4M

    Forwards: 53.204 M

    Pairing One Klefbom-Larsson 8.3M
    Pairing Two Nurse-Bear 7.47M
    Pairing Three Jones-Bouchard 1.75M
    Extra: Lagesson .850M

    Defense: 18.37 M

    Goalie One Koskinen 4.5M
    Goalie Two Starrett .900

    Goal: 5.4 M

    Buyouts and sundry: 4.583 M

    Projected cap (est): 82.5 M
    Projected cap hit: 81.557M

    ==

    Make it so

  197. OriginalPouzar says:

    ProfessorQ: He’s not getting close to $10 million, in my opinion.

    I’m honestly curious why you would think this given the market, what he’s accomplished, etc.

    I don’t want my manager to give him that for term, however, precedent shows that’s the market.

  198. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: So what is his 5×5 goal differential?

    In that period, -4.

    Not quite the same as -9.

  199. drglen says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers WITH Hall

    Line 1 Leon-McD-Neal 26.75M
    Line 2 Hall-Nuge-Yamamoto 17.894M (Hall 11)
    Line 3 Benson-Sheahan-Chiasson 3.76M
    Line 4 Khaira-McLeod-Archibald 3.4M
    Extras Gambardella, Cave 1.4M

    Forwards: 53.204 M

    Pairing One Klefbom-Larsson 8.3M
    Pairing Two Nurse-Bear 7.47M
    Pairing Three Jones-Bouchard 1.75M
    Extra: Lagesson .850M

    Defense: 18.37 M

    Goalie One Koskinen 4.5M
    Goalie Two Starrett .900

    Goal: 5.4 M

    Buyouts and sundry: 4.583 M

    Projected cap (est): 82.5 M
    Projected cap hit: 81.557M

    ==

    interesting. Like the D. Like the team.

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