Some Days are Diamonds

The old Yankees manager Casey Stengel used to say there were 50 games a season where skill, luck and circumstance guaranteed a win, and 50 games where the same elements guaranteed a loss. Stengel would say that it was the other 50 games that would win the pennant or get you fired. The Anaheim game was one of those wins for Edmonton, they were going to win and it was established early. Last night in San Jose the other side of the coin appeared. Shiza happens, folks. That’s the way of the world.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here.

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers Report Cards: Several drivers make the grade but Edmonton’s bus still has a few passengers
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: From 4 to 97, Oilers both new and old share the stories behind their jersey numbers
  • New Jonathan Willis: Could a fall trade improve the fortunes of your NHL team in 2019-20?
  • New Lowetide: Analyzing Dave Tippett’s defensive usage and what the Oilers will do when Adam Larsson returns
  • Lowetide: What’s going on with the Bakersfield Condors?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins shines, mad props for Leon Draisaitl and more to like as the Oilers beat the Devils
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What inexperienced defencemen like the Oilers’ Joel Persson must do to gain their coach’s confidence
  • Lowetide: Oilers are closer to having an effective second line than a year ago, but few have noticed
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The beauty of a good night’s sleep can be elusive for many NHL players
  • Jonathan Willis: Why the Oilers were wise to gamble on Tomas Jurco, even though it didn’t pan out
  • Jonathan Willis: The unlikely goalie performances underpinning the Oilers’ hot start
  • Lowetide: How far away is Evan Bouchard and what role will he play with the Oilers?
  • Scott Wheeler: Analyzing Jesse Puljujarvi’s play in Finland to see what he could offer as an NHLer
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers right to wait until they’re sure before recalling Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson
  • Lowetide:  Can Leon Draisaitl score more than 50 goals this season?
  • Minnia Feng: The 2019-20 Oilers fan guide to emotions and stressful circumstances
  • Jonathan Willis: How much will the Oilers have to pay to keep pending free agent Zack Kassian?
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

OILERS AFTER 20

  • Oilers in 2015: 7-12-1, 15 points; goal differential -8
  • Oilers in 2016: 11-8-1, 23 points; goal differential +7
  • Oilers in 2017: 7-11-2, 16 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in 2018: 9-10-1, 19 points; goal differential -9
  • Oilers in 2019: 12-6-2, 26 points; goal differential +9

We’re back to having a direct comparable (2016) but the 2019 Oilers have been able to avoid losing streaks of any length and that bodes well. Edmonton had a bad game. It’ll happen again. Just make sure “again” isn’t tomorrow night.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 2-4-0, four points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-3-1, five points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in November 2017: 3-3-0, six points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in November 2018: 2-4-0, four points; goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2019: 3-2-1, seven points; goal differential +4

2019 November remains the best result through six games and the goal differential remains solid. A winning streak wouldn’t go amiss.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER

  • On the road to: PIT (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: ARI, STL, NJD (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • On the road to: ANA, SJS (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: COL, DAL (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: SJS, LAK, VEG, ARI, COL (Expected 2-3-0)
  • At home to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 3-2-1, 7 points after six games

Oilers are on pace for my predicted point total at the end of the month, actually just a hair ahead. The two games that remain this week are important, don’t believe it’s reasonable to expect two wins against Denver and Dallas.

OILERS 2019-20

I’m not going to write much about the game. NST has the details. Dave Tippett said postgame “it shows a little of the immaturity of the group to sustain things. It wasn’t a good effort by our group right through” and that’s a succinct summary. I do have a few notes:

Zack Kassian is on his way to a career season and he’s going to get a substantial contract. Can the Oilers afford him? You can roll your eyes, but a physical, agitating winger who scores 20+ goals and 50+ points has real value. Kassian had three HDSC at five-on-five last night and he fed Hertl a little after his hit on 97.

Ethan Bear does something most every night to impress and even on a night when he made some miscues his defending on a two-on-one was quality.

Call me blood thirsty but I’m ten times fine with Brandon Manning’s reaction to the Hertl hit on McDavid. NHL players react to every hit by going over the top but when the franchise takes a shot like that one then it should be answered imo. In a game long lost, Manning taking on a Sharks player is fine by me.

Mike Smith stopped 19 of 25 and to my eye several were 10-bell or late tips. I don’t think he was the culprit and that’s unusual because many nights Smith is hero or goat. In the summer, when he signed, I asked Catherine Silverman (who knows goalies) about Smith. Silverman: “Sometimes, he’s the goaltender who can face record-breaking shot volumes and shut the opposition down, but other times he’s the goaltender who allowed four goals on just 23 shots.” Last night he was neither and that’s worth noting.

PATRICK RUSSELL

For a guy with no goals, he sure has a lot of chances. NST’s individual high-danger scoring chances per 60 shines a light on Russell and what he’s been doing in the offensive zone during 2019-20. Here are the leaders in the category:

  1. Connor McDavid 5.29
  2. Zack Kassian 4.95
  3. Alex Chiasson 4.28
  4. Patrick Russell 4.21
  5. Leon Draisaitl 3.98

Now. We can argue about the NST measurement of HDSC’s and we can certainly agree that Edmonton needs more skill wingers. However, Patrick Russell is getting those chances on a depth line and to my eye he has been getting them consistently. I don’t really have a point to make beyond it, and do recognize Russell isn’t a high skill player likely to cash 20 percent of these chances. I guess my point is this: If he keeps playing in the NHL and sustains this chance/60 number, some of these pucks are going to start going in.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we’ll hit the ground running in our work boots tearing down last night’s game and looking forward to the rest of the week. Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey will give his opinion on the loss in San Jose last night. We’ll also chat about what happens when Adam Larsson returns. Kris Abbott from OddsShark will pop in to chat CFL playoffs, NFL weekend and NCAA playoff slotting. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wow – would like to see Jones in at 2RD beside Klefbom (assuming he’s in and Persson sits again).

    Jones has some similar attributes to Persson that have benefited the pairing – able to make the small quick breakout passes – the key to the transition game.

    Leave Russell/Benning as the 3rd pairing – they do a great job in that spot.

    I’m usually all over leftie/rightie but Jones is a bit of a different animal – he’s played more right side than left side as a pro

    I could see the coach going with the following but really hope he doesn’t:

    Nurse/Bear
    Klef/Russell
    Jones/Benning

    With that said, given he kept Russell at 3LD last game and moved Benning up, Tippett/Playfair do really want to keep Russ at 3LD so we might see the better deployment:

    Nurse/Bear
    Klef/Jones
    Russell/Benning

    I’d be OK with the following (but really like the Russell/Benning pair):

    Nurse/Bear
    Klef/Benning
    Russell/Jones

    Either way, this is just a fantastic development.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    ScungilliSlushy: The fact he’s one of the few guys that can and will fight is probably why he’s still in the lineup. There’s no forwards on the farm to replace his tool kit – big, isn’t puck averse, can skate and has some skill.

    The lack of offense if it continues may get him, but I think he gets a few more mulligans than many bottom 6 types might that don’t have what he does.

    Also if they have to let Kassian walk his value to the roster goes up, Nurse would be the only other pugilist left (that anyone might actually be worried about fighting).

    Fighting is declining but I feel the threat of meaningful push back still has value until the league smartens up. Fighters that can play have a while left in the league.

    Not saying I necessary disagree but wanted to note that Manning’s fight last night was the team’s first fight of the season.

    A pretty sharp decline from even last year where they averaged a fight every 6 games.

    Sample size….

  3. Bag of Pucks says:

    Scungilli Slushy: If culture is progressing, all people should stop making racist, bigoted and sexist comments.

    If culture isn’t progressing we will see backlash continually. Treat all with fairness.

    I believe that is what people in Canada respond to. There’s no perfect world.

    We see backlash cos humans like to judge other humans. It makes them feel better about themselves. And the Internet makes it exceedingly easy to jump on the judgement train.

    Yes, in a utopian world, people would stop thinking and saying dumb things. Agreed.

    I think more tolerance and less snowflake overreaction would make things easier too though. We’re living in an age of extremely thin skin.

  4. Todd Macallan says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Agree on the pairings, Jones at 2 RD with Klef and keeping Russell / Benning on 3rd pairing is ideal I think.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: If I was a conspiracy theorist I might suggest that leaving Lagesson in the pressbox is an indicator that they don’t see him has an A level prospect.
    It’ll be interesting to see how they handle Jones.

    Unfortunately, I tend to agree.

    I say unfortunately as I was (and remain) quite high on Willie – I think he is built for the “new NHL” – an aggressive defence first d-man who is a good skater and a solid puck mover with some offensive IQ (he led the Condors’ D in even strength points last season).

    He’s been developed perfectly by the org and progressed, year after year, in various different leagues, amateur and pro.

    I think he’s 3LD ready and has the potential to be a 2LD in the Robyn Regher mold.

    With that said, not giving him any at bats while and playing Manning 7 straight games must mean something as regards the organization’s view.

  6. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Wow – would like to see Jones in at 2RD beside Klefbom (assuming he’s in and Persson sits again).

    Jones has some similar attributes to Persson that have benefited the pairing – able to make the small quick breakout passes – the key to the transition game.

    Leave Russell/Benning as the 3rd pairing – they do a great job in that spot.

    I’m usually all over leftie/rightie but Jones is a bit of a different animal – he’s played more right side than left side as a pro

    I could see the coach going with the following but really hope he doesn’t:

    Nurse/Bear
    Klef/Russell
    Jones/Benning

    With that said, given he kept Russell at 3LD last game and moved Benning up, Tippett/Playfair do really want to keep Russ at 3LD so we might see the better deployment:

    Nurse/Bear
    Klef/Jones
    Russell/Benning

    I’d be OK with the following (but really like the Russell/Benning pair):

    Nurse/Bear
    Klef/Benning
    Russell/Jones

    Either way, this is just a fantastic development.

    Starting Jones at 2RD seems a little aggressive. Especially when there are other alternatives.
    Why wouldn’t you play Benning with Klefbom and start Jones at 3RD with Russell?

  7. Harpers Hair says:

    Scungilli Slushy: If culture is progressing, all people should stop making racist, bigoted and sexist comments.

    If culture isn’t progressing we will see backlash continually. Treat all with fairness.

    I believe that is what people in Canada respond to. There’s no perfect world.

    The issue to me is that there is a palpable double standard if the “offender” is a liberal, progressive, female.

    She specifically targeted whites, males, hockey players and their families.

    Had she targeted black NBA players and called them arrogant and entitled and their families she would have been fired yesterday.

    She should be required to spend a week in Humboldt with some hockey families with a side helping of a visit from Hayley Wickenheiser.

    What I’m seeing on Twitter is that hockey parents are being asked by their sons if they should quit hockey because they don’t want to be labeled as bullies.

    Hate speech, which is illegal in Canada, is making disparaging comments about an “identifiable group”.

    She managed to hit for the cycle in her comments but I expect she won’t suffer any consequences.

  8. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Not saying I necessary disagree but wanted to note that Manning’s fight last night was the team’s first fight of the season.

    A pretty sharp decline from even last year where they averaged a fight every 6 games.

    Sample size….

    Linesman are instructed to jump in the middle of fights just like last night Its probably the reason why Manning got hurt. Who jumps in the middle of a fight when it first starts it’s all about covering their ass on concussion lawsuits.

  9. pts2pndr says:

    who: Starting Jones at 2RD seems a little aggressive.Especially when there are other alternatives.
    Why wouldn’t you play Benning with Klefbom and start Jones at 3RD with Russell?

    I agree on the grounds that Jones is minus 4 in 12 games. I wish the young man success but I don’t understand the thinking that he should be able to handle second pairing right D in the NHL.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Is there any realistic chance that Jones has a material positive effect on the lineup akin to Ethan Bear?

    Could this possibly happen for Oilers fans?

    Its too much to ask, isn’t it?

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lavoie with two powerplay goals as tied is winding down in the third with Halifax up 3-1.

    10 more shots on net for Raphael, and 9 of them listed as high danger…….

  12. Harpers Hair says:

    Pageau with a hat trick for Ottawa.

    Leading goal scorer in the NHL in the month of November.

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy: That’s probably what we’ll see

    Quite possibly but Tip/Playfair did use the rookie Persson at 2RD while keeping Benning on the 3rd pairing.

    This is Jones’ third year pro and all in North America – that gives him quite a fit feet up on Persson as a rookie.

    Benning did get the call last night but it was the team’ worst game of the year.

    I’m hopeful the coach go back to Russell/Benning as the third pairing – the team has won almost exclusively with that deployment.

    If Jones was an actual right shot I’d be more confident in this deployment being tried.

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Lavoie with two powerplay goals as tied is winding down in the third with Halifax up 3-1.

    10 more shots on net for Raphael, and 9 of them listed as high danger…….

    Lavoie adds an assist on a late PP goal to finish with 2G/1A and those 10 shots (9 high danger).

    With his performance against the Russians, is he not now a lock for Team Canada?

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: JP is too much for a Staal rental. So you are giving up part of an asset to move Russell.
    I hate rentals, by the way.Just feels like flushing assets for a quick fix.

    He’s not a rental – he’s signed for this year (3/4 of the season left) and next year.

    We’d be getting a legit high end 3C, the team’s biggest hole, for essentially 2 years at a very reasonable cap hit.

    Yes, Staal wouldn’t be with the team long term given his age but, as far as value, I don’t imagine the team would get anything even close to that value for Jesse.

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Only thing that makes sense is showcasing Manning for a trade since he’ll clear waivers.

    I don’t think that was it though.

    I think Tippett/Playfair, who like their veterans, thought he gave the team the best chance to win.

    I (and many) disagree with that but i believe that was the thinking.

  17. Side says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Curious as to how exactly you would know this.

    Go ask a grade schooler or post secondary student if they are being taught this.

    It’s an absurd notion. The burden of proof should be on the one making the claim, not the other way around.

    Do people really think in any part of the curriculum or lectures, teachers are telling students in grade school and post secondary that white people can’t be the victim of racism?

    It’s laughable.

  18. Reja says:

    Nice to see the leafs lose a couple more losses and they won’t be yipping and yapping how us Oiler fans don’t deserve Connor.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    With a deep top-4 in MIN, is the Wild on Russell’s list in the first place?Not to mention the team on the cusp of a rebuild, it might not be a good fit for KR at this phase of his career.

    I’m not suggesting Russell to the Wild – I’m suggesting getting Staal but it doesn’t have anything to do with Russ.

  20. jeetz says:

    who: Don’t even have room for Jones if they keep everyone.
    My premise is that Russell has negative trade value so I move Benning because it costs less.
    For instance,if you have to retain 2 million to move Russell, I trade Benning instead. I let the Russell contract expire next year without giving up an asset.
    If both players cost me 2 million next year I would rather keep Russell and get an asset for Benning.

    Im going to go out on a limb and say Larsson gets traded to bring in a bonified winger for Nuge.

    Benning moves up with Klefbom. Jones comes up first and then Lagesson later this season. Russell is gone by the trade deadline and the 5,6,7 def are Jones Lagesson and Pearson. If we need a seasoned vet for the 3rd pairing, Holland will pick up a def on his last year of a contract at the trade deadline.

    Next year it will be Bouchard and Benning on the 3rd pairing with Bouchard on PP1. Klef with One of Jones, Lagesson or Pearson. One of these same 3 will be gone.

  21. stephen sheps says:

    Bag of Pucks: It is an absolute shocker that a feminist dislikes hockey though! In related news, hockey fans are meh on antiquing.

    two things here:

    1) I know plenty of feminists who like hockey; liberal feminists and radical feminists alike. Some of them play, some of them write about hockey and society pretty critically but do so because they love the sport. Feminism is a really broad set of ideas and practices – liking (or disliking) hockey and being a feminist aren’t mutually exclusive. Some colleagues of mine from my other life as an academic (as opposed to this life as a blogger and occasional purveyor of whisky, BBQ and music knowledge) run a pretty incredible website https://hockeyinsociety.com/ that, given your obvious difference in politics from mine and theirs you’d likely hate, but might be worth having a gander at. Differences in points of view are nice to read, see and hear from time to time. (Harpers Hair, you’d probably appreciate it as well since the writing is really strong and a couple of the folks that run it are ex-Canucks Army writers).

    2) I don’t know who this Jess Allen is, but if she was trying to make an informed, nuanced argument about hockey, masculinity and bullying/mental health, she really blew it especially by adding whiteness into the equation for what seemed to be no real reason. And the thing of it is, there is a nuanced argument that can be made about these issues that doesn’t actually devalue men and boys. It’s not about hockey, but about 18 months ago, Kevin Love and Channing Frye (both NBA players) did a really candid interview about the culture of locker rooms, how men and boys are socialized and the pressures of being an elite athlete when dealing with mental health crises. It’s a worthwhile watch. Just some food for thought. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7PmdOrbnWI

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilOilers:
    What game does Larsson return for? I last heard he was a week to 10 days away, but don’t recall when that was, was it from the last home game 5 days ago? Will he be ready for this weekend against Dallas?

    The sense is for the road trip after the weekend.

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Starting Jones at 2RD seems a little aggressive.Especially when there are other alternatives.
    Why wouldn’t you play Benning with Klefbom and start Jones at 3RD with Russell?

    Because I want to leave Russell/Benning as the third pairing – the team has had almost exclusively success when that pairing is deployed and there is a puck mover at 2RD,

    It was aggressive to have Persson at 2RD but it worked.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    ptspndr: I agree on the grounds that Jones is minus 4 in 12 games. I wish the young man success but I don’t understand the thinking that he should be able to handle second pairing right D in the NHL.

    I don’t see him able to handle them any less that Persson and, given this is his third year pro in North America, potentially even better – even on his right side (where he has spent more time as a pro).

    Its about his skill set and the balance and keeping the elite third pairing.

  25. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: He’s not a rental – he’s signed for this year (3/4 of the season left) and next year.

    We’d be getting a legit high end 3C, the team’s biggest hole, for essentially 2 years at a very reasonable cap hit.

    Yes, Staal wouldn’t be with the team long term given his age but, as far as value, I don’t imagine the team would get anything even close to that value for Jesse.

    Brett Howden? Lias Andersson?

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilers will be back in to LTIR relief with the Jones call-up.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Brett Howden? Lias Andersson?

    I don’t imagine either of those players are available for Jesse, despite Andersson’s tough start to this season.

  28. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: The issue to me is that there is a palpable double standard if the “offender” is a liberal, progressive, female.

    She specifically targeted whites, males, hockey players and their families.

    Had she targeted black NBA players and called them arrogant and entitled and their families she would have been fired yesterday.

    She should be required to spend a week in Humboldt with some hockey families with a side helping of a visit from Hayley Wickenheiser.

    What I’m seeing on Twitter is that hockey parents are being asked by their sons if they should quit hockey because they don’t want to be labeled as bullies.

    Hate speech, which is illegal in Canada, is making disparaging comments about an “identifiable group”.

    She managed to hit for the cycle in her comments but I expect she won’t suffer any consequences.

    Nope she won’t. The consequences are reactionary, sadly, to me. The rise of these reactions across the western world are completely expected, and predictable. The pendulum needs to stop swinging and settle in the middle. Just like on this blog.

  29. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t imagine either of those players are available for Jesse, despite Andersson’s tough start to this season.

    Rangers fans seem to think so.

  30. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks: We see backlash cos humans like to judge other humans. It makes them feel better about themselves. And the Internet makes it exceedingly easy to jump on the judgement train.

    Yes, in a utopian world, people would stop thinking and saying dumb things. Agreed.

    I think more tolerance and less snowflake overreaction would make things easier too though. We’re living in an age of extremely thin skin.

    The “age of thin skin” thing always confuses me.

    I don’t know how many times I have heard stories from older generations about getting into fights all because someone looked at them the wrong way or called them a name.

    There are countless wars that have been started and fought all because someone’s fragile ego was damaged or someone felt slighted. Or even because someone held some petty grudge over the course of decades.

    Truly bizarre.

  31. Professor Q says:

    It’ll definitely be interesting to see if any shake ups via trades are enacted due to the upcoming play of callups/future-Oilers.

    Good, bad, better than the current crew; we’ll see what comes from it all. Let us hope there’s a deal to be had that improves the organization this year and beyond.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Rangers fans seem to think so.

    My guess is that the fans currently value Puljujarvi more than Gorton.

    I know many Oiler fans that are done with Jesse, don’t think he’ll ever be an NHL player, would be fine with him essentially disappearing. At the same time, I’m highly confident that, if Jesse was a draft pick of another team with the exact same career, refusing to play for the team that holds his rights, etc. they would be all over the Oilers acquiring Jesse. Similar to how many Oiler fans want Ho Sang.

  33. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Side: I don’t know how many times I have heard stories from older generations about getting into fights all because someone looked at them the wrong way or called them a name.

    Only now people aren’t brave enough to stand up for their mouthiness.

    I’m old enough to know those days. It actually meant you showed respect or stood up to the person you were slamming.

    Not meaning a fight, but you had to answer face to face if called out.

    The current toxicity is largely driven by keyboard warriors. It’s easy to have big opinions and say harmful things (even if politically correct) when there are no direct consequences.

    These things are simple, logical points. Talking big when you can’t get fired from Sportsnet is easy.

    We are only ~10 years into this world of online trashing, bravado and no responsibility. Humans don’t do well without consequences for actions. It will come into regulation, or something soon enough.

    Trashing people when it’s popular in the ‘cultural moment’, which can last a generation, only leads to more hurt.

    Everyone needs to have more respect, gender and culturally wise. People are people. All humans.

  34. leadfarmer says:

    ArmchairGM: Rangers fans seem to think so.

    Yeah Rangers fans are over him

  35. Bag of Pucks says:

    Side: The “age of thin skin” thing always confuses me.

    I don’t know how many times I have heard stories from older generations about getting into fights all because someone looked at them the wrong way or called them a name.

    There are countless wars that have been started and fought all because someone’s fragile ego was damaged or someone felt slighted. Or even because someone held some petty grudge over the course of decades.

    Truly bizarre.

    Well, I guess you’re easily confused.

  36. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: Because I want to leave Russell/Benning as the third pairing – the team has had almost exclusively success when that pairing is deployed and there is a puck mover at 2RD,

    It was aggressive to have Persson at 2RD but it worked.

    The Oilers early success was a combination of hot goaltending, 97-29, Real Deal PP. J.Neal & Tippett coaching.
    The Oilers won in spite of having Persson playing 2RD, Correlation does not imply causation.
    Oscar is so damned sexy, he fooled us into believing Persson wasn’t a drag.
    So so Sexy!!
    Also, something something Persson:
    “Yer just a 3 dressed up as a 9, yer only wasting my time”

  37. Bag of Pucks says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Nailed it.

  38. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks: Well, I guess you’re easily confused.

    Illogical, baseless statements have this effect on me.

  39. Bag of Pucks says:

    stephen sheps,

    I didn’t say all feminists dislike hockey.

    Thanks for sharing the links.

    I very much enjoyed your Don Cherry post btw

  40. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: Holland was very clear at the beginning of the year that none of “the kids” would be sitting in the NHL pressbox.

    Of course, we saw what happened with Lagesson – I still can’t wrap my head around how Manning got 7 straight games of 3LD with Willie sitting in the press box.

    If they call one of these guys up, it should be to play (at least play some/most of the games) – in particular Jones.

    I would be find with a Persson/Jones swap (and Jones goes right to 2RD, keep the rest the same) but think they’ll wait until Larsson is back (2 more games I think, potentially) prior to assigning Persson.

    He did say that & at the time it made perfect sense to me.
    Since the Larsson & Persson injuries Manning has played more games than Lagesson. This makes very little sense to me.
    Especially given that Lagesson & Jones’s ELC’s are up at the end of the season.
    Clearly I’m being revisionist but Lagesson or Jones in the #7D hole to start the season would have had them in NHL games & not the pressbox.
    That was the thrust of my earlier post

  41. Bag of Pucks says:

    Side: Illogical, baseless statements have this effect on me.

    People are acting like judge, jury and executioner to demand the firing of people they don’t know personally because they made inappropriate remarks, and you don’t believe the world is getting more hypersensitive?

    Interesting how you turn it into a generation gap issue. I see it as more of a technology enabling issue. Speaks to your bias. A tad ageist perhaps?

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: The Oilers early success was a combination of hot goaltending, 97-29, Real Deal PP. J.Neal & Tippett coaching.
    The Oilers won in spite of having Persson playing 2RD, Correlation does not imply causation.
    Oscar is so damned sexy, he fooled us into believing Persson wasn’t a drag.
    So so Sexy!!
    Also, something something Persson:
    “Yer just a 3 dressed up as a 9, yer only wasting my time”

    I believe a large part of the “winning” had to due with the balance of the defensive group leading to the ability to transition the puck out of the zone under the new structure. Nope, Persson wasn’t all that great but he can pass the puck – he has a plus ability to make the short quick 5-10 foot pass in the defensive zone leading to a strong transition. Kris Russell also has the ability to do that on his left side and Russell/Benning make an elite pairing.

    There is an aggregate of things that dominoes when Persson was hurt leading to a dimished ability to play the team’s structure and it hurt the offence and the team overall.

  43. stephen sheps says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I know, but if I can’t poke fun a little bit, I’m doing it wrong 😉

    Appreciate the kind words w.r.t the cherry post. That was a hard one to write. Really took my time with it since there were so many layers to work through.

    Hope you enjoy the links! That Love/Frye video has been a staple in a couple of my courses over the last three semesters. My intro and sport sociology students really seemed to get a lot out of it. (I can always tell when something works when more than half the class wants to talk without me needing to prompt them…)

  44. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks: People are acting like judge, jury and executioner to demand the firing of people they don’t know personally because they made inappropriate remarks, and you don’t believe the world is getting more hypersensitive?

    Interesting how you turn it into a generation gap issue. I see it as more of a technology enabling issue. Speaks to your bias. A tad ageist perhaps?

    How is this different than any other time period? There used to be times where people would bring rotten fruit or stones and throw it at prisoners without even knowing their crime. They were, as you say “judge other humans. It makes them feel better about themselves. ”

    I only mentioned the generational gaps because you specifically mentioned “age of thin skin” as if this is unique to this period of time and this generation.

    I agree, it is a technology enabling issue.

    IMO, if the internet existed in any other period of time, they too, would have behaved this way.

    This generation is not ‘thin skinned’, all generations are, even the ones that are romanticized for their ‘toughness’ or odd showings of ‘respect’.

  45. oilersfan says:

    Flames down 2-0 with 12 minutes to go in the third

    Will they tie it up for the sixth time this season with a 2 goal deficit in the third to get to overtime?

    Or will the laws Of normalcy finally apply to them?

  46. Harpers Hair says:

    Theo Fleury just ripping Jess Allen on Twilter.

    I wonder what Bear, Jones and Khaira would like to say to her.

  47. Harpers Hair says:

    oilersfan:
    Flames down 2-0 with 12 minutes to go in the third

    Will they tie it up for the sixth time this season with a 2 goal deficit in the third to get to overtime?

    Or will the laws Of normalcy finally apply to them?

    Flames with a 4 minute PP.

  48. Bag of Pucks says:

    Side: How is this different than any other time period?There used to be times where people would bring rotten fruit or stones and throw it at prisoners without even knowing their crime.They were, as you say “judge other humans. It makes them feel better about themselves. ”

    I only mentioned the generational gaps because you specifically mentioned “age of thin skin” as if this is unique to this period of time and this generation.

    I agree, it is a technology enabling issue.

    IMO, if the internet existed in any other period of time, they too, would have behaved this way.

    This generation is not ‘thin skinned’, all generations are, even the ones that are romanticized for their ‘toughness’ or odd showings of ‘respect’.

    Your inability to connect the dots on this is your seeming need to conflate the term “Age of” to a specific generation. The Atomic Age for example has transcended multiple generations.

    As Scungilli said so well, the Internet is enabling ‘keyboard warriors’ and these are folks of all ages. Mob mentality is nothing new but despite your stubborn insistence otherwise, global connectedness in real-time obviously creates the ability for this behaviour to mushroom much more quickly and broadly, and now, largely without consequence.

    Technology changes human behaviour, for better or worse.

    If there are generational differences on this, it’s because a sizable portion of the populace has only ever known a world with this technology and that’s a considerably different life experience from those who have lived without it.

    I don’t why you are so invested in insisting people stay the same when nothing else in society does, but I’m fairly certain that’s a treatise that doesn’t hold water from a sociological pov.

  49. Harpers Hair says:

    There’s one back…Monahan.

  50. who says:

    jeetz: Im going to go out on a limb and say Larsson gets traded to bring in a bonified winger for Nuge.

    Benning moves up with Klefbom. Jones comes up first and then Lagesson later this season. Russell is gone by the trade deadline and the 5,6,7 def are Jones Lagesson and Pearson. If we need a seasoned vet for the 3rd pairing, Holland will pick up a def on his last year of a contract at the trade deadline.

    Nextyear it will be Bouchard and Benning on the 3rd pairing with Bouchard on PP1. Klef with One of Jones, Lagesson or Pearson. One of these same 3 will be gone.

    I think your plan is pretty ambitious and doubt we see it happen.
    When Larsson gets back I bet we see
    Klefbom Larrson
    Nurse Bear
    Russell Benning
    That gives us a legit top 4, assuming Bear doesn’t regress, and a solid 3rd pairing. I think Holland will trade 1 of Russell or Benning in season, or summer at the latest.
    Your plan relies on Benning playing 2nd pairing minutes for the rest of the season. Plus 3 rookies on the 3rd pairing and a 4th on the top pairing. Is that really the defense you want to ride into the playoffs? There is no way in hell Holland does something that reckless.

  51. oilersfan says:

    Tip to Dallas to prevent Calgary tying it:
    1) don’t take a penalty
    2) check Tkachuk he ties it every damn time

  52. Harpers Hair says:

    Bag of Pucks: Your inability to connect the dots on this is your seeming need to conflate the term “Age of” to a specific generation. The Atomic Age for example has transcended multiple generations.

    As Scungilli said so well, the Internet is enabling ‘keyboard warriors’ and these are folks of all ages. Mob mentality is nothing new but despite your stubborn insistence otherwise, global connectedness in real-time obviously creates the ability for this behaviour to mushroom much more quickly and broadly.

    Technology changes human behaviour, for better or worse.

    If there are generational differences on this, it’s because a sizable portion of the populace has only ever known a world with this technology and that’s a considerably different life experience from those who have.

    Canadian media pundit Marshall McLuhan accurately predicted this decades ago when he penned the phrase the Medium is the Message.

    The latest iteration of this is the almost instantaneous ability of keyboard warriors to mobilize mobs to attempt to shout down opposing viewpoints but, in an era of clickbait journalism, it is rapidly spreading to encompass mainstream media and it is becoming increasingly difficult to find balanced, fair information that goes beyond polarized thought based on “feelings”.

    That this malignant mentality has also subverted most campuses gives me great cause for concern.

    I’m often reminded of the meme….1984 was not an instruction manual.

  53. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: Because I want to leave Russell/Benning as the third pairing – the team has had almost exclusively success when that pairing is deployed and there is a puck mover at 2RD,

    It was aggressive to have Persson at 2RD but it worked.

    I understand why you are putting him on 2RD but I don’t agree with your reasoning at all.
    Benning is an elite 3rd pairing guy so you should leave him on the 3rd pairing? This is the same reasoning you used to insist Kassian should stay on the 4th line.
    If Benning is the best option for 2nd pairing, and right now he appears to be, then that is where you slot him. Benning/Klefbom is not the reason they lost last night.
    And if you think Persson is working at 2RD you haven’t been watching the games.
    Also, if you don’t want Russell at 2RD on his offside, why do you want to shove a rookie into the same situation?

  54. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Side: Go ask a grade schooler or post secondary student if they are being taught this.

    It’s an absurd notion. The burden of proof should be on the one making the claim, not the other way around.

    Do people really think in any part of the curriculum or lectures, teachers are telling students in grade school and post secondary that white people can’t be the victim of racism?

    It’s laughable.

    My apologies … I didn’t intend to make you so defensive. There certainly is no pressure on you to answer any question if you choose not to.

  55. VanIsleOil says:

    Hrudey gives the first star in the Stars win to Talbot……. that’s rich

  56. Harpers Hair says:

    VanIsleOil:
    Hrudey gives the first star in the Stars win to Talbot……. that’s rich

    The Flames were outshot 18-6 in the second period.
    He kept them in the game.

  57. Harpers Hair says:

    Dallas now 8-1-1 in their last 10 games playing without their top three RHD in Klingberg, Johns and Polak.

    Sekera has been very good filling in on the right hand side.

  58. Bag of Pucks says:

    Harpers Hair: Canadian media pundit Marshall McLuhan accurately predicted this decades ago when he penned the phrase the Medium is the Message.

    The latest iteration of this is the almost instantaneous ability of keyboard warriors to mobilize mobs to attempt to shout down opposing viewpoints but, in an era of clickbait journalism, it is rapidly spreading to encompass mainstream media and it is becoming increasingly difficult to find balanced, fair information that goes beyond polarized thought based on “feelings”.

    That this malignant mentality has also subverted most campuses gives me great cause for concern.

    I’m often reminded of the meme….1984 was not an instruction manual.

    Totally agree. I find myself thinking of “the medium is the message” and Orwell’s Thought Police often these days.

    Social justice warriors seem convinced they can eradicate ‘the bad thoughts’ overnight, but we have due process instead of witch trials for a reason. De-evolution.

  59. Harpers Hair says:

    Bag of Pucks: Totally agree. I find myself thinking of “the medium is the message” and Orwell’s Thought Police often these days.

    Social justice warriors seem convinced they can eradicate ‘the bad thoughts’ overnight, but we have due process instead of witch trails for a reason. De-evolution.

    Unfortunately, due process is also eroding and activist courts are accelerating the trend.

    Witch trials are making a comeback…there are many recent examples.

  60. drglen says:

    Pescador: He did say that & at the time it made perfect sense to me.
    Since the Larsson & Persson injuries Manning has played more games than Lagesson. This makes very little sense to me.
    Especially given that Lagesson & Jones’s ELC’s are up at the end of the season.
    Clearly I’m being revisionist but Lagesson or Jones in the #7D hole to start the season would have had them in NHL games & not the pressbox.
    That was the thrust of my earlier post

    I hope Tipp and Holland realized last night that they need to ice the lineup with the best chance to win games.

    When Larrson gets back we’ll probably be back to larsson klefbom, which is good but also too bad in a way, (less flow), Russell Benning have been great and Russell is hugely important to the PK, .

    No way Bear is coming out. short of injury. I suspect Perrsson is going down, and manning remains the extra, until the next injury. Next call up, I hope, is Lagesson, to replace whoever is injured.

  61. drglen says:

    Agree that Kassian will have to be paid. Interesting many in this blog said about a year ago that Kassian was a vastly overpaid 4th line player. ( and in some ways, he was… he’s found his game this year.)

    The dominos will drop. I do think you keep Kassian but going to cost, at least 3 a year? maybe a bit less? Hopefully a short term deal 2 to 3.

  62. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Harpers Hair,

    That you’d be outraged over outrage doesn’t surprise me at all.

  63. Reja says:

    Leafs Flames and Vegas lose I doubt Vegas will be in first place in the west this time next week. Little Johnny looks like he’s quit on Peters I can see it getting really messy in a hurry in co-town.

  64. Abbeef says:

    Side: Go ask a grade schooler or post secondary student if they are being taught this.

    It’s an absurd notion. The burden of proof should be on the one making the claim, not the other way around.

    Do people really think in any part of the curriculum or lectures, teachers are telling students in grade school and post secondary that white people can’t be the victim of racism?

    It’s laughable.

    Schools are not teaching students that white people cannot be victims of racism.

    Signed a public school teacher

  65. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Tell that to Mariano Rivera…….

    With that said, you are correct (and the proposal also encourages D to D as the primary option for one player).

    Riviera only pitched one inning at a time. One pitch can get a reliever through one inning, because the hitter cannot pace your fastball in one at bat.

    A starting pitcher with a 100-mph fastball has two have a 2nd offspeed pitch.

  66. godot10 says:

    Side: Go ask a grade schooler or post secondary student if they are being taught this.

    It’s an absurd notion. The burden of proof should be on the one making the claim, not the other way around.

    Do people really think in any part of the curriculum or lectures, teachers are telling students in grade school and post secondary that white people can’t be the victim of racism?

    It’s laughable.

    Schools across Canada teach about white privilege these days. Do they not? It is impossible for those with privilege to be victims of discrimination. It is a priori impossible. A foundational principle of intersectionality.

  67. Younger Oil says:

    Side: Go ask a grade schooler or post secondary student if they are being taught this.

    It’s an absurd notion. The burden of proof should be on the one making the claim, not the other way around.

    Do people really think in any part of the curriculum or lectures, teachers are telling students in grade school and post secondary that white people can’t be the victim of racism?

    It’s laughable.

    I don’t have an opinion on these issues that I would like to share on this platform, but thought I could give some input as person who graduated with an education degree earlier this year:

    I was told in two separate classes directly from the professor that white people can’t be the victim of racism. Once in an Aboriginal Studies class, once in a policy studies class involving society and education. Both of those courses were by far the worst in my education degree, with an absolutely toxic classroom environment, where you would immediately be labelled a racist by the professor and many of the students if you brought in facts or arguments that went against the narrative of the class, no matter how delicately or diplomatically you brought them up.

    Now, as a random person over the internet I don’t expect you to believe me, and not all of the professors teaching those classes are expressing/teaching those views, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that there are some out there, as well as a large percentage of the student body (who are going to become teachers) who are in complete agreement. Again, not expressing any opinions either way, but just letting you know that it is out there.

  68. Younger Oil says:

    Now, onto hockey talk:

    As much as I’d like to see Jones play, I have a hard time seeing he will get any games, much like Lagesson earlier in the year. Just building some good will with a prospect by giving him an NHL salary for a week or so while they wait for Larsson to get healthier.

  69. godot10 says:

    godot10: Schools across Canada teach about white privilege these days.Do they not? It is impossible for those with privilege to be victims of discrimination.It is a priori impossible.A foundational principle of intersectionality.

    In a setting where intersectionalists do not yet control the Overton window, they tend to obfuscate what they really mean. In a setting where they do control the Overton window (like schools and college campuses), they do not obfuscate what they mean.

  70. JimmyV1965 says:

    drglen:
    Agree that Kassian will have to be paid. Interesting many in this blog said about a year ago that Kassian was a vastly overpaid 4th line player.( and in some ways, he was… he’s found his game this year.)

    The dominos will drop.I do think you keep Kassian but going to cost, at least 3 a year? maybe a bit less?Hopefully a short term deal 2 to 3.

    Ferland got $3.5 x 4. It’s unreasonable to expect Kassian to accept less. We can hope of course.

  71. v4ance says:

    JimmyV1965: Ferland got $3.5 x 4. It’s unreasonable to expect Kassian to accept less. We can hope of course.

    Just because someone else did something stupid doesn’t mean we have to do the same thing.

  72. Bank Shot says:

    JimmyV1965: Ferland got $3.5 x 4. It’s unreasonable to expect Kassian to accept less. We can hope of course.

    Ferland also had back to back 40 point seasons.

    This will be Kassian’s first season over 30 points if he keeps it up and he’ll be 29 going into the off season.

    I would look at the cautionary tales of Maroon and Chiasson and refuse to overpay Kassian for being able to score with McDrai.

    Offer him $2 million or gtfo.

  73. stephen sheps says:

    godot10: It is a priori impossible. A foundational principle of intersectionality.

    I’m not sure intersectionality means what you think it means.

    Conceptually speaking, it means looking at how certain big picture social structure issues quite literally intersect with each other. Initially this meant the intersection of race, gender and class but it has evolved to include sexuality, ability/disability, age and various other markers of social location. It’s primarily used as a theoretical framework to make sense of the different types of marginalization and discrimination people face and how we can learn more from the intersection of different experiences of discrimination based on more than 1 social factor. Previously social class was the centre of most sociological and historical inquiry. Now it’s grown.

    On a macro level, looking purely at the numbers of racialized men in prison and women in poverty relative to these groups size of the overall population, we can see an intersection between at least 2 of the 3 categories. Again, this is at the macro level, and the systemic prejudices built into our legal system has maintained this overrepresentation in prisons for some time. It’s even more pronounced in the US. What’s the connection? Higher rates of incarceration of men leads to more single parent homes, higher rates of poverty and more pressure to drop out of school in order to work and help the family. And here is where it gets interesting…

    Similar studies around racial bias with employment opportunities have been ongoing for decades – several including ‘Black Sounding’ names and several using implicit bias around postal/zip codes of applicants. See where I’m going with this?

    However, nothing in intersectional approaches to viewing the world explicitly suggests that white folks can’t be discriminated against individually or collectively. Trust me, as a white Jewish guy, I’ve gotten it plenty. On a larger scale plenty of queer, poor white dudes and white women have had a bad time of things, white trans folks too, especially younger ones in recent years. Studying that community from an intersectional lens (the intersection of class, gender and sexual preference) is just as common in the social sciences and often provides more nuance and depth than just looking at 1 category of social location in isolation.

    Younger Oil: I was told in two separate classes directly from the professor that white people can’t be the victim of racism.

    Sorry to hear this. That professor clearly sucks.

    Signed, a better professor

  74. Wilde says:

    stephen sheps: Previously social class was the centre of most sociological and historical inquiry.

    !

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: I understand why you are putting him on 2RD but I don’t agree with your reasoning at all.
    Benning is an elite 3rd pairing guy so you should leave him on the 3rd pairing? This is the same reasoning you used to insist Kassian should stay on the 4th line.
    If Benning is the best option for 2nd pairing, and right now he appears to be, then that is where you slot him. Benning/Klefbom is not the reason they lost last night.
    And if you think Persson is working at 2RD you haven’t been watching the games.
    Also, if you don’t want Russell at 2RD on his offside, why do you want to shove a rookie into the same situation?

    You don’t have to agree with my reasoning – that’s final.

    I’m not sure how many different ways to say it but its not “Persson’s ability at 2RD” in isolation but its the balance that it creates. It slots all 3 players in positions where they can succeed (and, yes, Persson has had some success as 2RD – its been uneven) – it creates a balance to the three pairings.

    I’d prefer if Jones shot right but he has played about 85% of his pro time on the right side – the organization has groomed him as a right side d-man. I don’t see him being any worse than Persson in that spot and he has the skill set that works with Klefbom.

    The defence that the team has been winning with, almost exclusively, has been:

    Nurse/Bear
    Klefbom/Persson
    Russell/Benning

    To slide Jones (a right side D as a pro that is a plus skater and a good puck mover) in for Persson allows the other two pairings, which have led to success, to stay. To do anything else changes up two pairings and hurts the balance.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    YoungerOil:
    Now, onto hockey talk:

    As much as I’d like to see Jones play, I have a hard time seeing he will get any games, much like Lagesson earlier in the year. Just building some good will with a prospect by giving him an NHL salary for a week or so while they wait for Larsson to get healthier.

    I’m expecting him to play tonight.

    The choice for the coaching staff is Jones or Persson and, in actuality, Jones has more NHL games on his resume (and this is his third season of pro on North American ice).

  77. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m expecting him to play tonight.

    The choice for the coaching staff is Jones or Persson and, in actuality, Jones has more NHL games on his resume (and this is his third season of pro on North American ice).

    You may be right, although many veteran coaches like a player to have a couple of practices with the team before playing a game. One thing that’s true about Woodcroft’s recalls, they always appear ready.

  78. Genjutsu says:

    Bag of Pucks: Your inability to connect the dots on this is your seeming need to conflate the term “Age of” to a specific generation. The Atomic Age for example has transcended multiple generations.

    As Scungilli said so well, the Internet is enabling ‘keyboard warriors’ and these are folks of all ages. Mob mentality is nothing new but despite your stubborn insistence otherwise, global connectedness in real-time obviously creates the ability for this behaviour to mushroom much more quickly and broadly.

    Technology changes human behaviour, for better or worse.

    If there are generational differences on this, it’s because a sizable portion of the populace has only ever known a world with this technology and that’s a considerably different life experience from those who have lived without it.

    The thin skin is often a sharp sheild for bigotry. I got a accused of processing thin skin when I stated that i found a homophobic slur offensive.

    Sometimes poeple just take a while to realize right from wrong, individually and as a group.

    100 years ago it was legal to beat the shit out of your wife with a stick.

    I guess women probably didn’t have thin skin back then?

  79. Pouzar says:

    Open up NST and there it is.

    Nic Petan (SSS alert) in 6 games running a:

    70.83 CF%
    67.57 xGF%

    5v5

  80. Pouzar says:

    Jezzuz H…Oilers are “this” close to hitting on both Bear AND Jones.

    These are good times.

  81. who says:

    JimmyV1965: Ferland got $3.5 x 4. It’s unreasonable to expect Kassian to accept less. We can hope of course.

    Ferland was younger and had a better scoring resume than Kassian.

  82. Professor Q says:

    Pouzar:
    Jezzuz H…Oilers are “this” close to hitting on both Bear AND Jones.

    These are good times.

    And this will still be the Pre-Bouchard and Pre-Broberg Era.

    Exciting!

  83. Pouzar says:

    Professor Q: And this will still be the Pre-Bouchard and Pre-Broberg Era.

    Exciting!

    Amazing isn’t it

  84. Pouzar says:

    So is that COL bubble gonna burst tonight?
    Holy PDO heater batman.

    That GF% is a mirage.

  85. Wilde says:

    Also I suggest that everyone here focusing on ‘Social Justice Warriors’ as exporters of outrage culture and online bullying do some reading about the presence of the far-right online. Just one or two stories.

  86. Pouzar says:

    So where does Jones play?
    Right side with Klef?
    Right side with Russell?

    Either way he is back down when Lars comes back?

    Been outta the loop a bit…damn job interview to prep for.

  87. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: You don’t have to agree with my reasoning – that’s final.

    I’m not sure how many different ways to say it but its not “Persson’s ability at 2RD” in isolation but its the balance that it creates. It slots all 3 players in positions where they can succeed (and, yes, Persson has had some success as 2RD – its been uneven) – it creates a balance to the three pairings.

    I’d prefer if Jones shot right but he has played about 85% of his pro time on the right side – the organization has groomed him as a right side d-man. I don’t see him being any worse than Persson in that spot and he has the skill set that works with Klefbom.

    The defence that the team has been winning with, almost exclusively, has been:

    Nurse/Bear
    Klefbom/Persson
    Russell/Benning

    To slide Jones (a right side D as a pro that is a plus skater and a good puck mover) in for Persson allows the other two pairings, which have led to success, to stay.To do anything else changes up two pairings and hurts the balance.

    Well then I guess you can say the organization has groomed Russell as a right side dman. Lol.
    I’m guessing he’s played more games on the right side than Jones in the last 4 years.
    You’ve bitched about Russell playing the offside the last few years, and yet you want to stick Jones in that position right off the hop? Your logic appears to be flawed.
    What is it about Jones skill set that makes you so sure he will fit there? Is it his skating? His puck handling? Because those were considered Russells skills when he got to the NHL.
    The truth is you have no idea how Jones will perform at 2RD, but as usual, you have made a premature roster decision. And now you are grasping at straws trying to justify it.
    I have no idea how Jones will perform at 2RD. Maybe he turns into an all star there. But I would go with another, more proven option until Jones proves he can handle the NHL and forces his way up the lineup.

  88. Reja says:

    who: Ferland was younger and had a better scoring resume than Kassian.

    Kassian hasn’t had Concussion problems in the past. When your on your third or fourth concussion in a 2 year window your close to retirement time.

  89. Yeti says:

    Reja: Kassian hasn’thad Concussion problems in the past. When your on your third or fourth concussion in a 2 year window your close to retirement time.

    Very sad, but very true. I fear for the long term health effects of some of these players with repeat concussions. It will impact them for the remaining decades of their life.

  90. jp says:

    Pouzar:
    Open up NST and there it is.

    Nic Petan (SSS alert) in 6 games running a:

    70.83 CF%
    67.57 xGF%

    5v5

    Very impressive, but click on his name. He has no history of those kind of results.

    Also his NHL totals are 119-6-19-25.

    I’m not sure what the interest is in this player.

  91. v4ance says:

    Pouzar:
    Jezzuz H…Oilers are “this” close to hitting on both Bear AND Jones.

    These are good times.

    Professor Q: And this will still be the Pre-Bouchard and Pre-Broberg Era.

    Exciting!

    Now take that view forward a year and you can see where the logic leads to the possibility of exploring trade options for Nurse or Larsson within the next calendar year, especially if Nurse asks too much in contract extension talks.

    I proposed exploring a trade of Nurse a month ago but there was pushback from some more vocal critics because they couldn’t see the oncoming flood of good D on the cusp of readiness.

  92. Harpers Hair says:

    The National Post is doing an in-depth examination of free speech or lack thereof, on campus.
    Highly recommended for those with an interest,

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/beyond-jordan-peterson-free-speech-on-campus?video_autoplay=true

  93. jp says:

    who: Ferland was younger and had a better scoring resume than Kassian.

    Kassian looks like he’ll have a better season than any of Ferland’s this year as well.

  94. russ99 says:

    IMO, the deployment of the called up AHL defensemen this year has all to do with our new system. Bear and Persson got it and played well within it in camp and the preseason, and the others didn’t.

    This is a crucial few months for buy-in and reinforcement, so throwing a player who didn’t buy in or impress in camp/preseason has a bit of risk involved, you want to give the player a shot and not ride the pressbox, but also don’t want to introduce rookie mistakes into the equation, especially after an ugly loss where we abandoned things/didn’t compete in the first period.

    Bear was always ahead of Jones in play without the puck, so I can see Jones getting an opportunity while Larsson is out, and not the be all immediate 2RD that is being assumed due to footspeed and on the puck play.

  95. jp says:

    Wilde:
    Also I suggest that everyone here focusing on ‘Social Justice Warriors’ as exporters of outrage culture and online bullying do some reading about the presence of the far-right online. Just one or two stories.

    I was thinking the same. Both sides are guilty of this.

  96. v4ance says:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/12/adam-serwer-civility/600784/

    Trumpists lamenting civility’s decline do not fear fractiousness; on the contrary, they happily practice it to their own ends. What they really fear is the cultural, political, and economic shifts that occur when historically marginalized groups begin to exert power in a system that was once defined by their exclusion. Social mores that had been acceptable become offensive; attitudes that had been widely held are condemned.

    Societies are constantly renegotiating the boundaries of respect and decency. This process can be disorienting; to the once dominant group, it can even feel like oppression. (It is not.) Many of the same people who extol the sanctity of civility when their prerogatives are questioned are prone to convulsions over the possibility of respecting those they consider beneath them, a form of civility they deride as “political correctness.”

  97. jp says:

    Pouzar:
    So where does Jones play?
    Right side with Klef?
    Right side with Russell?

    Either way he is back down when Lars comes back?

    Been outta the loop a bit…damn job interview to prep for.

    I highly doubt Tippett puts him with Klefbom (JMO).

    My guess is 3LD, not sure if it will be with Russell or Benning on his right. (actually my guess is Persson stays in and Jones sits for tonight at least).

  98. Wilde says:

    Harpers Hair:
    The National Post is doing an in-depth examination of free speech or lack thereof, on campus.
    Highly recommended for those with an interest,

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/beyond-jordan-peterson-free-speech-on-campus?video_autoplay=true

    Did they mention all of the professors and academics that have been under attack for decades for having the opinion that Palestinians deserve human rights?

  99. Pouzar says:

    jp: Very impressive, but click on his name. He has no history of those kind of results.

    Also his NHL totals are 119-6-19-25.

    I’m not sure what the interest is in this player.

    No interest. Just the first thing that flashed when I opened it up. Found it funny.

  100. jp says:

    Pouzar: No interest. Just the first thing that flashed when I opened it up. Found it funny.

    In that case I agree. There was quite a bit of talk about him here so I figured you were a proponent. Good luck on the interview.

  101. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t see him able to handle them any less that Persson and, given this is his third year pro in North America, potentially even better – even on his right side (where he has spent more time as a pro).

    Its about his skill set and the balance and keeping the elite third pairing.

    What you are proposing is putting a young developing D in a position to fail. The vast majority of the posters and I believe you were also vocal against same. This is also akin to the idea of where best to put a hole in your boat before going out on the lake. Bear was put with Nurse in preseason not almost 20 games in. What you are proposing is very very different.

  102. Pouzar says:

    jp: In that case I agree. There was quite a bit of talk about him here so I figured you were a proponent. Good luck on the interview.

    Had it yesterday. Went well. Cheers!

  103. godot10 says:

    Wilde: Did they mention all of the professors and academics that have been under attack for decades for having the opinion that Palestinians deserve human rights?

    If they have been under attack for decades, they clearly exist within the Overton window, and have not been cancelled. A privilege the intersectionalists do not allow for people on campus who disagree with them.

  104. Bag of Pucks says:

    jp: I was thinking the same. Both sides are guilty of this.

    Two wrongs don’t make a right.

  105. Bag of Pucks says:

    This is one of the saddest aspects of cancel culture. When either side of the political spectrum is confronted with the lack of grace aspect of this behaviour, the immediate reaction is to defend the behaviour by saying the other side does it too.

    We need to appreciate that the technology is triggering fight or flight responses. Society needs to elevate above those reactions. We can be defined by the fights we avoid as opposed to the fights we pick.

    Imagine a scenario where CBC organized a round table of differing opinions including Don Cherry to discuss his comments. Rather than censoring thought, we’d explore these issues to better understand what motivates them and how they can be best mitigated. Imo that is what an enlightened society would do as opposed to the finger pointing witch hunt mentality that dominates the discourse now.

  106. jp says:

    Bag of Pucks: Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    You’re absolutely right. In this case there was a lot of flack being thrown at one side – it is reasonable IMO to point it out when an accuser is also guilty. I agree both are wrong.

    Fully agreed also with your other post. Well said.

  107. stephen sheps says:

    godot10: A privilege the intersectionalists do not allow for people on campus who disagree with them.

    I still stand by the fact that you’re using the term ‘intersectional’ wrong. I also stand by the fact that there exists an equal number of folks on the right, including on university campuses like the one I teach at who refuse to engage in any meaningful level of discourse with those they disagree with as well. This isn’t just a ‘the left silences debate’ issue; partisan politics and refusals to engage cut both ways.

    As to Wilde‘s point re: the Palestine debate, as someone who’s been on the front lines of that for about 15 years, I can assure you those who hold a critical position on Israeli policy are often shunted to the margins of acceptable discourse, have a harder time getting published in peer-reviewed journals that aren’t region-specific, have greater difficulty getting interviews for tenure-track positions and generally within the north-south axis of the overton window you’ve decided to use are viewed as right on the edge of radical and unthinkable. As a pro-Palestine Jewish person, I know exactly how many doors have been closed in my face, both academically and personally. It’s the reason I write about sports now. Jewish and Palestinian scholars have even had their tenure revoked or denied for being open about their perspectives on the situation over there. The Steven Salaita case comes to mind, as does Norman Finkelstein.

    I’ve offered to chat with you off-line at least a few times over the years and will extend that same offer again now (stephensheps (at) gmail (dot) com). Consider this an open invitation to practice what you preach.

  108. Bag of Pucks says:

    Genjutsu: The thin skin is often a sharp sheild for bigotry. I got a accused of processing thin skin when I stated that i found a homophobic slur offensive.

    Sometimes poeple just take a while to realize right from wrong, individually and as a group.

    100 years ago it was legal to beat the shit out of your wife with a stick.

    I guess women probably didn’t have thin skin back then?

    Does this stance have legs it if you’re not using extreme examples like hatespeech or violence against women?

    Nobody’s advocating tolerance against illegal acts. But cancel culture has extended far beyond these black & white examples to include grey areas or social mores that some just find distasteful.

    At its crux, who are you to tell me what i should think or say and vice versa, simply because you have a differing opinion?

    Again, this is why we have due process. Regulating human behaviour through mob tactics is so 15th century. We have to be better than this or we’re regressing imo.

  109. Genjutsu says:

    Bag of Pucks: Does this stance have legs it if you’re not using extreme examples like hatespeech or violence against women?

    Nobody’s advocating tolerance against illegal acts. But cancel culture has extended far beyond these black & white examples to include grey areas or social mores that some just find distasteful.

    At its crux, who are you to tell me what i should think or say and vice versa, simply because you have a differing opinion?

    Again, this is why we have due process. Regulating human behaviour through mob tactics is so 15th century. We have to be better than this or we’re regressing imo.

    No one is saying that. I’m a proponent of free speach.

    These arguments get made by far right bigots also though and anyone who really loves freedom has to speak up in these cases.

    My grandfather payed a terrible price to stop the Nazi’s.

    I’m not about to give their ilk any quarter today.

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