2019-20 Game 22: Stars at Oilers

by Lowetide

For some reason, the Edmonton Oilers are not considered worthy of the featured Saturday night Tabernac. I’m certain some of the reasoning involves past seasons but schedules can be changed and the networks have the most entertaining Canadian team playing at two p.m. local time today. Someday, the Oilers will be the feature team on the late Saturday game and I suspect someday will be soon if the team keeps winning enough games.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here.

  • New Lowetide (will link):  Oilers college procurement could increase under Ken Holland
  • Jonathan Willis: A shift-by-shift analysis of Caleb Jones in his Oilers season debut
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Sometimes it’s just unstoppable’: How McDavid and the Oilers’ power play dominated the Avalanche
  • Jonathan Willis: Darnell Nurse, Caleb Jones and the crisis that’s looming in the Oilers’ middle distance
  • Jonathan Willis: Basically, yes, the Oilers should keep Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ‘forever’
  • Lowetide: Why the recall of NHL-ready Caleb Jones should benefit the Oilers in the long run
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers Report Cards: Several drivers make the grade but Edmonton’s bus still has a few passengers
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanFrom 4 to 97, Oilers both new and old share the stories behind their jersey numbers
  • Jonathan Willis: Could a fall trade improve the fortunes of your NHL team in 2019-20?
  • Lowetide: Analyzing Dave Tippett’s defensive usage and what the Oilers will do when Adam Larsson returns
  • Lowetide: What’s going on with the Bakersfield Condors?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins shines, mad props for Leon Draisaitl and more to like as the Oilers beat the Devils
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What inexperienced defencemen like the Oilers’ Joel Persson must do to gain their coach’s confidence
  • Lowetide: Oilers are closer to having an effective second line than a year ago, but few have noticed
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The beauty of a good night’s sleep can be elusive for many NHL players
  • Jonathan Willis: Why the Oilers were wise to gamble on Tomas Jurco, even though it didn’t pan out
  • Jonathan Willis: The unlikely goalie performances underpinning the Oilers’ hot start
  • Lowetide: How far away is Evan Bouchard and what role will he play with the Oilers?
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers right to wait until they’re sure before recalling Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson
  • Lowetide:  Can Leon Draisaitl score more than 50 goals this season?

OILERS AFTER 22 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 7-14-1, 15 points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in 2016: 12-8-2, 26 points; goal differential +10
  • Oilers in 2017: 8-12-2, 18 points; goal differential -14
  • Oilers in 2018: 10-10-2, 22 points; goal differential -9
  • Oilers in 2019: 13-6-2, 28 points; goal differential +13

This has 2016 written all over it, the seasons are close. After 21 games in 2016-17, Connor McDavid’s boxcars (9-18-27) were quality. This season his boxcars (14-23-37) are from another world. Leon Draisaitl’s ’16-17 (7-9-16) fades compared to his start this year (15-26-41). Nuge? 3-7-10 after 21 in 2016-17, 5-10-15 this time. Man this team would be airborne with a Tyler Pitlick (6-1-7) scoring from the bottom six.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 3-4-1, seven points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-5-1, five points; goal differential -9
  • Oilers in November 2017: 4-3-1, nine points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in November 2018: 3-5-0, six points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in November 2019: 4-2-1, nine points; goal differential +8

The 2017 team caught fire during that month, Connor McDavid was 6-14-20 and Nuge 5-7-12. Leon 6-6-12. Jordan Eberle went 8-1-9 for the NY Islanders that month, while Ryan Strome posted 3-4-7 in Edmonton. Oilers could use either man this afternoon.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER

  • On the road to: PIT (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: ARI, STL, NJD (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • On the road to: ANA, SJS (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: COL, DAL (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: SJS, LAK, VEG, ARI, COL (Expected 2-3-0)
  • At home to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 4-2-1, 9 points after seven games

The Dallas Stars are on fire these days, 8-1-1 in the last 10. Edmonton is 5-4-1 in the last 10 but quality (7-2-1) at home this year. I imagine Koskinen starts and Jones sees another game.

OILERS 2019-20

One of the things I’ve been paying close attention to this year is goal differentials (five-on-five) for the team’s centers. This is important stuff, because it’s an extension of McDavid on and off, but with the added advantage of seeing where on the roster progress is being made:

  1. Connor McDavid 24-13 +11
  2. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 12-8 +4
  3. Gaetan Haas 3-4 -1
  4. Riley Sheahan 0-9 -9
  5. Colby Cave 1-2 -1

Seems we have some improvement with the Haas group but the Sheahan trio continues to be a drag. Let’s check on the blue:

  1. Matt Benning 14-5 +9
  2. Kris Russell 10-5 +5
  3. Oscar Klefbom 14-12 +2
  4. Joel Persson 7-7 0
  5. Darnell Nurse 18-22 -4
  6. Ethan Bear 17-23 -6

About what one might expect, Adam Larsson’s return should help more than one pairing.

I don’t know what to expect from today. In the past this would be a loss. Afternoon game, Dallas Stars, I’d predict a fluke goal early and then some nasty business that leaves the Oilers shorthanded and eventually down 2-0. A push results in a goal but a mid-third goal would put things to bed. This Oilers team isn’t following the November script. We wait.

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Sanderson

I still have nightmares of Zubov and Modano hammering pucks into the back of our net from childhood (I thought we would repeat the magic in ’98 after beating the Avalanche). The Oilers still owe the Stars a few beatings for those years. Especially now that it’s a fair fight. Go Oil!

Glovjuice

Lazy Leon for Art Ross, Heart, Selke, and Byng ?

Woodguy v2.0

DAL started the year 1-7-1

Since then they’ve gone 9-1-1

Let’s see what changed from the first section of games to the second.

1-7-1
5v5
CF% 48.2
xGF% 50.6
GF% 37.5
SH% 6.4
SV% .903
PDO 967

Special Teams
PP
GF/60 1.3 (1 goal)
SH 3.0%
PK
GA/60 6.50 (6 goals against, 1 shorty for)
SV% .850
Net Special Teams 2 goals for, 4 goals against

9-1-1
CF% 50.3
xGF% 56.9
GF% 69.0
SH% 7.8
SV% .961
PDO 1039

Special Teams
PP
GF/60 7.4 (7 goals)
SH% 15.0
PK
GA/60 5.14 (6 goals against, 1 shorty for)
SV% .914
Net Special Teams 8 goals for, 6 goals against

So it looks like they’re only playing slightly better shot and expected goal share wise, but are getting much better goaltending.

The PP SH% woke up from an unsustainably low 3.0% to 15% and PK SV% went up as well.

So it looks like they aren’t as bad as their slow start, but aren’t as good as the hot past month, but 56.9% Expected Goal rate is pretty damn good.

So they’re a real team and probably really good too.

Also,

Sexey. I miss him.

I understand why thy chose to buy him out instead of Russell to free up cap and make room on the LHD.

Sexey’s results weren’t not good over the past 2 years with 2 injuries. He was trending up at the end of last year, but you can’t bank on that.

If you bought out Russell and Rej didn’t recover fully you were stuck buying him out in summer in 2020, so after trying like hell to trade either Dman, they bought out Rej.

Russell is probably easier to move this summer than even a fully recovered Rej due to term and actual $ left on their contracts as well.

Sad, but understandable.

Let’s see how Andrej Sekera is doing this year:

Overall
5v5 TOI/gm 17.10 3rd on DAL behind Klingberg and Heiskenen
CF% 48.6
xGF% 51.8
GF% 66.7
ONSH% 5.6
ONSV% .970
PDO 1026

His most common partners are Lindell (92.5min) and Heiskenen (88min). Good partners, top 4 all the way.

Both Lindell and Heiskenen has much better GF% with Rej than without, especially Lindell.

Hmmmm, maybe the magical SV% Rej and Russell had in 16/17 was due to Rej and not the Cowboy?

Sexey isn’t playing any PP (2:29 min for the year), but is 3rd for DAL Dmen in PK TOI/gm with 2.29/gm behind Lindell and Heiskinen.

Looks like Sexey is close to back being Sexey.

I miss you Rej.

Also,

Two very good players in Hintz and Klingberg are out, but they haven’t stopped winning without them.

Here is how they lined up last game:
Seguin-Benn-Dowling
Radulov-Gardner-Perry (*spits*)
Comeau-Faska-Dickenson
Gurianov-Pavelski-Caamano

These lines got jumbled up quite a bit during the games. Radulov and Pavelski were among the team leaders in TOI but Gardner and Caamano were among the least.

It looks like Pavelski moved up to center Radulov and Perry (*spits*) when Montgomery shortened his bench.

D-pairs
Sekera-Polak
Heiskenen-Oleksiak
Lindell-Fedun (Hi Taylor!)

These got jumbled up a bit too as Oleksiak and Fedun ended the game tied for least 5v5 TOI with 13:33 each.

EDM has their work cut out for them tonight.

DAL is a good team getting more of the shots and chances than their opponents and have high end goalie on a heater.

I hope they step on DAL’s PDO like they stopped COL’s.

Woodguy v2.0

Sanderson:
I still have nightmares of Zubov and Modano hammering pucks into the back of our net from childhood (I thought we would repeat the magic in ’98 after beating the Avalanche).The Oilers still owe the Stars a few beatings for those years.Especially now that it’s a fair fight.Go Oil!

Loved Zubov when he wasn’t playing the Oilers.

Then I hoped he wouldn’t be on the ice much.

Fat chance for that.

Zubby would play 35 minutes and have a smoke between periods and never break a sweat.

What a beauty.

High end Pisscutter.

Glad he’s finally in the HoF.

Harpers Hair

Woodguy v2.0:
DAL started the year 1-7-1

Since then they’ve gone 9-1-1

Let’s see what changed from the first section of games to the second.

1-7-1
5v5
CF% 48.2
xGF% 50.6
GF% 37.5
SH% 6.4
SV% .903
PDO 967

Special Teams
PP
GF/60 1.3 (1 goal)
SH 3.0%
PK
GA/60 6.50 (6 goals against, 1 shorty for)
SV% .850
Net Special Teams 2 goals for, 4 goals against

9-1-1
CF% 50.3
xGF% 56.9
GF% 69.0
SH% 7.8
SV% .961
PDO 1039

Special Teams
PP
GF/60 7.4 (7 goals)
SH% 15.0
PK
GA/60 5.14 (6 goals against, 1 shorty for)
SV% .914
Net Special Teams 8 goals for, 6 goals against

So it looks like they’re only playing slightly better shot and expected goal share wise, but are getting much better goaltending.

The PP SH% woke up from an unsustainably low 3.0% to 15% and PK SV% went up as well.

So it looks like they aren’t as bad as their slow start, but aren’t as good as the hot past month, but 56.9% Expected Goal rate is pretty damn good.

So they’re a real team and probably really good too.

Also,

Sexey.I miss him.

I understand why thy chose to buy him out instead of Russell to free up cap and make room on the LHD.

Sexey’s results weren’t not good over the past 2 years with 2 injuries.He was trending up at the end of last year, but you can’t bank on that.

If you bought out Russell and Rej didn’t recover fully you were stuck buying him out in summer in 2020, so after trying like hell to trade either Dman, they bought out Rej.

Russell is probably easier to move this summer than even a fully recovered Rej due to term and actual $ left on their contracts as well.

Sad, but understandable.

Let’s see how Andrej Sekera is doing this year:

Overall
5v5 TOI/gm 17.10 3rd on DAL behind Klingberg and Heiskenen
CF% 48.6
xGF% 51.8
GF% 66.7
ONSH% 5.6
ONSV% .970
PDO 1026

His most common partners are Lindell (92.5min) and Heiskenen (88min). Good partners, top 4 all the way.

Both Lindell and Heiskenen has much better GF% with Rej than without, especially Lindell.

Hmmmm, maybe the magical SV% Rej and Russell had in 16/17 was due to Rej and not the Cowboy?

Sexey isn’t playing any PP (2:29 min for the year), but is 3rd for DAL Dmen in PK TOI/gm with 2.29/gm behind Lindell and Heiskinen.

Looks like Sexey is close to back being Sexey.

I miss you Rej.

Also,

Two very good players in Hintz and Klingberg are out, but they haven’t stopped winning without them.

Here is how they lined up last game:
Seguin-Benn-Dowling
Radulov-Gardner-Perry (*spits*)
Comeau-Faska-Dickenson
Gurianov-Pavelski-Caamano

These lines got jumbled up quite a bit during the games.Radulov and Pavelski were among the team leaders in TOI but Gardner and Caamano were among the least.

It looks like Pavelski moved up to center Radulov and Perry (*spits*) when Montgomery shortened his bench.

D-pairs
Sekera-Polak
Heiskenen-Oleksiak
Lindell-Fedun (Hi Taylor!)

These got jumbled up a bit too as Oleksiak and Fedun ended the game tied for least 5v5 TOI with 13:33 each.

EDM has their work cut out for them tonight.

DAL is a good team getting more of the shots and chances than their opponents and have high end goalie on a heater.

I hope they step on DAL’s PDOlike they stopped COL’s.

One note on Sekera.

He was playing mostly on the right side with all of Klingberg, Johns and Polak injured.

He has now moved back to the left side since Polak returned last game.

Andy Dufresne

“One of the things I’ve been paying close attention to this year is goal differentials (five-on-five) for the team’s centers.”

I get why you show 5, but shouldnt Draisaitl be included in the group of Centers ?

kgo

I’m so sick of seeing Polak in this league. He’s one of the most dangerous players in the league, constantly shoves guys from behind near the boards. I’m going to rewatch Nurse breaking his nose a few times during the game.

Andy Dufresne

Glovjuice:
Lazy Leon for Art Ross, Heart, Selke, and Byng ?

Its Leo…….you know as in Leo Decaprio……the guys a Star now. 🙂

#WangDangSweetPoonTang

Oilpower

Radulov, pavelski, and Perry, that line is irritating and the game hasn’t started!

Woodguy v2.0

Harpers Hair: One note on Sekera.

He was playing mostly on the right side with all of Klingberg, Johns and Polak injured.

He has now moved back to the left side since Polak returned last game.

Thanks for that Andrew

Andy Dufresne

“One of the things I’ve been paying close attention to this year is goal differentials (five-on-five) for the team’s centers. This is important stuff, because it’s an extension of McDavid on and off, but with the added advantage of seeing where on the roster progress is being made:”

Connor McDavid 24-13 +11
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 12-8 +4
Gaetan Haas 3-4 -1
Riley Sheahan 0-9 -9
Colby Cave 1-2 -1

Agreed. I get that its an extension of McDavid On McDavid Off……but it doesnt really show any chronological results/baseline/point of camparison ( its probably not meant to ) But how do I know if what Im viewing in this post is better or worse than the same stat pack from a week ago?

Andy Dufresne

Oilpower:
Radulov, pavelski, and Perry, that line is irritating and the game hasn’t started!

Kassian needs to Kassassinate one of these 3 guys in the first shift 🙂

#SetTheTempo

When it comes to Hits and Punches, you can be the catcher or you can be the pitcher.

#SameAsItEverWas

If Im at church, blessed are the peacemakers, but when Im in the middle of a testerone fueled sporting event….well … Ill let the other guy turn the other cheek…. Fast Ball Fast Ball Offspeed Pitch….keep em off balance.

#ChinMusic

#BuryPerry

#LeverageTop5PK

Munny

LT said…

For some reason, the Edmonton Oilers are not considered worthy of the featured Saturday night Tabernac

Nest weekend they’re the late game. Which means I will finally get to see a Saturday match.

But to tell you the truth, as far as getting eastern eyes on the team, the 4 pm EST start probably does more for the Oil.

Munny

Andy Dufresne: Kassian needs to Kassassinate one of these 3 guys in the first shift ?

#SetTheTempo

As long as by one of those three guys you mean, Perry, Perry or Perry.

Dustylegnd

One of the tings that has really impressed me about Ethan Bear, is his ability to play very tight defensive gaps in the neutral zone making zone entry difficult for the opposing team

Bear does not strike me as an exceptional skater which makes his gap control all the more impressive.

Bear’s passing is sublime and his zone exit passes are impressive, but these observations are via TV and my eye test

Where do I find stats on individual D men and their zone entry and exit efficiencies?

anyone….Buller? Woodguy?

Harpers Hair

First Saturday night in more than three decades without Coach’s Corner.

Truly the end of an era.

Wonder what Sportsnet will fill with.

OriginalPouzar

Sheahan’s group is definitely a drag on the goal share but lets not forget, over 70% defensive zone starts (well, as of a week ago or so) – they are skating up hill. They personell needs to start pissing drops but as long as they are material parts of a top league PK, which has been huge for the team, I’ll survive.

Jones did just fine in his first game of the year (although I’ve yet to read Willis’ shift by shift) but Larsson will be a boon to this lineup.

Larsson with another pairing that can share the toughs? History shows how good that can be.

Munny

Harpers Hair,

Ron MacLean and Tara Slone is my guess.

If they’re smart, Brian Burke.

Andy Dufresne

kgo:
I’m so sick of seeing Polak in this league.He’s one of the most dangerous players in the league, constantly shoves guys from behind near the boards.I’m going to rewatch Nurse breaking his nose a few times during the game.

Professional sports exists in part due to the story line of Good vs Evil (Biblical) Hero vs Villain ( Literature / Pop Culture ) and Tyson vs Holyfeild ( Professional Sports)

#AliBumaye

Theres a reason we hated those Calgary teams from the 80″s.

#BattleofAlberta

Theres a reason why “Henderson!!!!!” still rings in our ears to this day.

#ColdWarOnIce

dangilitis

“Jordan Eberle went 8-1-9 for the NY Islanders that month, while Ryan Strome posted 3-4-7 in Edmonton. Oilers could use either man this afternoon.“

Here, here. How is a Strome being used this year given that he has 16 pts in 17? Has he ever been this productive over 1/4 of a season? Funny how perception of the Eberle trade might have changed substantially this season if Chia had not overreacted to a slump at the beginning of last season. Having two awesome 3rd line centers (Nuge being the other, or course) could have been game changing this year. I still hope they find one from the group Holland has managed to cobble together, but we’d all take quality over quantity any day

Woodguy v2.0

In regards to evaluating players I often see people say “yeah, he only scores well with good players” or similar.

This is true for all players. Quality of Teammate is the single largest variable in a player’s results.

Consider McDavid.

17/18-today 5v5 scoring:

Overall
G/60 1 .18
A/60 1.82
P/60 3.00

With Drai
G/60 1.42
A/60 1.98
P/60 3.40

Without Drai
G/60 .91
A/60 1.65
P/60 2.56

Even the best player in the world benefits from having better line mates.

Instead of “he scores better with better players” as critique, it should just be more of note of context and when analyzing a player’s boxcars, who the player played with needs to be taken into account and in which state of game (5v5, PP) those points were achieved.

Andy Dufresne

Munny: Ron MacLean and Tara Slone is my guess.

Vanilla and Milk Toast

Politically Correct…….be careful what you ask for.

Thank Goodness for PVR’s

#HotStoveLeague

Numenius

Glovjuice: Lazy Leon for Art Ross, Heart, Selke, and Byng ?

Maybe not the Byng after his latest unsportsmanlike.

OriginalPouzar

Puljujarvi has got himself an assist through two periods.

I think he may be taking over the Ligga scoring lead (or becoming close) – for a 21 year old, that’s not a small deal.

Pouzar

All the hours I put into prepping for this damn job interview/testing looks like it was worth it.
Did the Criminal record check and now they are checking references.

20 yrs is a long ass time to be at one place. Looking forward to a change.

treevojo

Pouzar:
All the hours I put into prepping for this damn job interview/testing looks like it was worth it.
Did the Criminal record check and now they are checking references.

20 yrs is a long ass time to be at one place. Looking forward to a change.

Congrats POUZAR

Ryan

Woodguy v2.0,

🙂

Not exactly what I have said.

My point about Kassian yesterday. He had 0.56 points per sixty (!) thru the Oilers first 41 games last season.

That’s several tiers below replacement level offensive production.

Who you play with matters for sure, but stretches like that garner concern.

Andy Dufresne

Woodguy v2.0:
In regards to evaluating players I often see people say “yeah, he only scores well with good players” or similar.

This is true for all players.Quality of Teammate is the single largest variable in a player’s results.

Consider McDavid.

17/18-today 5v5 scoring:

Overall
G/60 1 .18
A/60 1.82
P/60 3.00

With Drai
G/60 1.42
A/60 1.98
P/60 3.40

Without Drai
G/60 .91
A/60 1.65
P/60 2.56

Even the best player in the world benefits from having better line mates.

Instead of “he scores better with better players” as critique, it should just be more of note of context and when analyzing a player’s boxcars, who the player played with needs to be taken into account and in which state of game (5v5, PP) those points were achieved.

You shoould put these in a book.(not kidding) Not a pure math Billy Beane masters thesus kind of book (although that would be good too) …but a stocking stuffer kind of book for hockey dads with one of these excerpts on each page of like a 100 page book.

#DarcysDiamonds

treevojo

I took a few months off of this place in the spring.

Any idea what if anything happened to VOR?

Haven’t seen a post from him since I started frequenting this place again.

Pouzar

treevojo: Congrats POUZAR

Thx bro

Wilde

Pouzar:
All the hours I put into prepping for this damn job interview/testing looks like it was worth it.
Did the Criminal record check and now they are checking references.

20 yrs is a long ass time to be at one place. Looking forward to a change.

hell yea dude

Pouzar

Wilde: hell yea dude

Thx…my wife thought I was nuts when I was putting in all this time but fear is a great motivator lol.

Wilde

OriginalPouzar:
Puljujarvi has got himself an assist through two periods.

I think he may be taking over the Ligga scoring lead (or becoming close) – for a 21 year old, that’s not a small deal.

Especially while being such hard driver of CF% playing against top comp, he might be the league MVP but I’d have to dig into the best defensemen

Andy Dufresne

Dustylegnd: Bear’s passing is sublime and his zone exit passes are impressive, but these observations are via TV and my eye test

A certain number of players can “skate in a phone booth”…..Bear not only skates and stick handles well in a phone booth but can make passes in a phone booth…..local and long distance.

#KaChing

Andy Dufresne

Wilde: Especially while being such hard driver of CF% playing against top comp, he might be the league MVP but I’d have to dig into the best defensemen

How do his stats translate inter-league? As far as how do NHL GMs assess his value given the league he plays in and his age and how he’s being utlilized?

Seems to me that its going to take a GM on a rebuilding team that is willing to suffer the short-term / mid-term downside of playing JP in the top six.

#NYR

JimmyV1965

Harpers Hair:
First Saturday night in more than three decades without Coach’s Corner.

Truly the end of an era.

Wonder what Sportsnet will fill with.

I can’t remember the last time I watched Coach’s Corner. Could be something like 20 years. From a strictly entertainment perspective, this is one of the many segments that needed to vanish years ago. Maybe the silver lining in this whole thing is the producers finally take a critical look at the meh they roll out each week and make some changes. I remain skeptical though. Coach’s Corner 2 debuts shortly. Argh.

Woodguy v2.0

Dustylegnd:
One of the tings that has really impressed me about Ethan Bear, is his ability to play very tight defensive gaps in the neutral zone making zone entry difficult for the opposing team

Bear does not strike me as an exceptional skater which makes his gap control all the more impressive.

Bear’s passing is sublime and his zone exit passes are impressive, but these observations are via TV and my eye test

Where do I find stats on individual D men and their zone entry and exit efficiencies?

anyone….Buller? Woodguy?

Check @shutdownline ‘s paetron

OriginalPouzar

Brandon Pirri was high on my list of off-season “cheap bet” acquisitions.

No, at this point, I see no reason to claim him on waivers – if Vegas wanted to take back a middling contract (Hebig, Vesey, etc.), sure, but no claim.

Wilde

Andy Dufresne: How do his stats translate inter-league? As far as how do NHL GMs assess his value given the league he plays in and his age and how he’s being utlilized?

Seems to me that its going to take a GM on a rebuilding team that is willing to suffer the short-term / mid-term downside of playing JP in the top six.

#NYR

This is unscientific, but I know that when Liiga/SHL draft picks have popped recently – particularly drivers, not necessarily scorers – I go back to their European seasons and see them pushing possession numbers on their team, even accounting for whatever sheltering there was.

I think that Washington, Carolina or Colorado is going to go for them and not be worried about a top six / / bottom six distinction in general or how it relates to the specific player

Andy Dufresne

Pouzar:
All the hours I put into prepping for this damn job interview/testing looks like it was worth it.
Did the Criminal record check and now they are checking references.

20 yrs is a long ass time to be at one place. Looking forward to a change.

Congrats on Running the Gaunlet that is resumes and job interviews. What doesnt kill us only makes us stronger.

Criminal Record Check and Refernces is like seeing the yellow tape at the end of the marathon.

Good luck crossing the finish line. And when you do….have drink…and then have another.

#HydrationJubilation

#MomentusOccasion

Wilde

OriginalPouzar:
Brandon Pirri was high on my list of off-season “cheap bet” acquisitions.

No, at this point, I see no reason to claim him on waivers – if Vegas wanted to take back a middling contract (Hebig, Vesey, etc.), sure, but no claim.

Why not? There’s a bunch of blown bets sitting at the bottom half of this forward corps, and all Pirri has is a strong, small sample size that he hasn’t been given a chance to expand upon.

Wilde

Wilde,

Also of note is that Puljujärvi had the best shot differential of any forward on his team in his 17-year-old season as well. Only higher player was Markus Nuutivara, an impressive Columbus late-rounder playing his draft+1 year.

e: also also of note, Sebastian Aho (the forward) was playing LW on that team and played more but didn’t have a higher differential – that’s by count, not by rate, either.

Andy Dufresne

Wilde: This is unscientific, but I know that when Liiga/SHL draft picks have popped recently – particularly drivers, not necessarily scorers – I go back to their European seasons and see them pushing possession numbers on their team, even accounting for whatever sheltering there was.

I think that Washington, Carolina or Colorado is going to go for them and not be worried about a top six / / bottom six distinction in general or how it relates to the specific player

“when Liiga/SHL draft picks have popped recently”

In what league(s) and at what age(s) did they pop?

AND,

Im curious, what the Oilers options really are, realistically. If Holland doesnt receive an offer he likes. How exactly do we handle JP? Is it realistic to force him to re-join the team?

JP certainly could not pout if forced to re-join the Oilers. Doing so would essentially kill/end his NHL career.

I assume he would come back to the team if forced to do so, and would give it his all to “create value” for himself and in himself.

Is his trade value higher as an “unproven” RFA, or as a more proven pending UFA?

#TrickyBusiness

frjohnk

Wilde: There’s a bunch of blown bets

Drai, McDavid, Kassian and Nuge are the only forwards that would get claimed if put on waivers.

Every other forward on the list LT has, would go through waivers.

jtblack

Brandon Pirri on waivers …

I grab him if I am Edm and see if he can inject some scoring on 3rd line

Harpers Hair

JimmyV1965: I can’t remember the last time I watched Coach’s Corner. Could be something like 20 years. From a strictly entertainment perspective, this is one of the many segments that needed to vanish years ago. Maybe the silver lining in this whole thing is the producers finally take a critical look at the meh they roll out each week and make some changes.I remain skeptical though. Coach’s Corner 2 debuts shortly. Argh.

I tuned it out a long while ago as well but still acknowledge it was attractive to a large audience.

I don’t think they’ll try V 2.0 but I imagine they’re scrambling to placate a large group of advertisers who won’t be getting what they paid for.

Sportsnet is reportedly saving a ton of dough by getting out of Cherry’s contract but, unless they can pull a rabbit out of a hat, that may backfire.

Kinger_Oil.redux

Andy Dufresne:

Im curious, what the Oilers options really are, realistically.If Holland doesnt receive an offer he likes. How exactly do we handle JP?Is it realistic to force him to re-join the team?

– Hope he does well in the Euro Bush Leagues and all-star events he plays in to get some magic-bean premia and he’s part of a package for something good would be the most ideal on trade

– Best case all-time: Drai, RNH or McD as part of a concerted organization effort, reach out to him, take him under their wing in the summer and train with him, as part of a bromance, and Pool comes back next year with an organization and linemate that has his back: time heels all wounds

– My best guess would be just a meh trade at some point that doesn’t garner much. I get the sense he’s not worth much, and would place his chances of success at NHL now (i.e. playing 200 games with skill) at less than 30%) . It would take an out of the box coach/organization to give him the opportunity he didn’t get here. I think he’s going to be Yakupoved

treevojo

frjohnk: Drai, McDavid, Kassian and Nuge are the only forwards that would get claimed if put on waivers.

Every other forward on the list LT has, would go through waivers.

I think Khaira would get claimed.

leadfarmer

Arizona and Calgary also playing in the afternoon
Going to the Carolina Wild game at 1.
Jets lightning
Kings Vegreville also pm games
Seems like it’s the day for afternoon games