Takin’ Care of Business

The Edmonton Oilers won on the road in Vancouver Sunday night, delivering instant redemption for the Tabernac Saturday troupe who were not as good as they needed to me.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. There is also a Christmas gift offer here.

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Mikko Koskinen is seizing his opportunity to take over the Oilers’ crease
  • New Lowetide: Eight assets the Oilers could use to acquire Taylor Hall
  • New Lowetide:  Edmonton Oilers’ farm team recalls invaluable in playoff seasons and paying off in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Oilers deployment shuffle will continue with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins still sidelined
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: One-on-one with Ken Holland, who is facing his first deadline in the Jesse Puljujarvi saga
  • Jonathan Willis: Should the Oilers go short or long term on Ethan Bear’s next contract?
  • Lowetide: The 2010s: Revisiting the Connor McDavid draft lottery — the day the earth stood still in Edmonton
  • Jonathan Willis: The 2010s: Unveiling the Oilers all-decade team
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The 2010s: What went wrong with Nail Yakupov? How the No. 1 pick became the decade’s biggest NHL draft bust
  • Jonathan Willis: The 2010s: Ranking a decade’s worth of Oilers coaches
  • Lowetide: Tyler Benson posting a strong November in hopes of an Oilers recall
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A superstar shines, a goaltender stands tall and a ‘road hockey’ power play helps the Oilers return to form
  • Lowetide: Why Dave Tippett’s deployment is a sign the Oilers need a No. 3 centre
  • Jonathan Willis: A Jesse Puljujarvi trade is an opportunity of which only one NHL team gets to take advantage
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanLeon Draisaitl takes the blame as the Oilers’ struggles against lowly foes continues
  • Jonathan Willis: A list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Woodcroft on Benson’s ‘gift,’ the next step for Bouchard and acting like a proud parent watching the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 2 prospect winter 2019: Philip Broberg
  • Lowetide: Joel Persson’s demotion highlights difficult adjustment for Oilers’ ‘European showtime’ trio
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Evaluating the Oilers’ readiness for the 2021 Seattle expansion draft
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 1 prospect winter 2019: Evan Bouchard

OILERS AFTER 29 GAMES

  • Oilers in 201512-15-2, 26 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in 2016: 14-11-4, 32 points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in 2017: 12-15-2, 26 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in 2018: 15-12-2, 32 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in 2019: 17-9-3, 37 points; goal differential +8

This is a quality record and the Oilers own it. We’ll delve into last night’s game and what it means in just a minute, but do me a favor and line-by-line this table and imagine the songs that go with each one. First up is “Long December” followed by “Oh What a Night (December 1963)” and right back to Norah Jones “December” and once again “If we Make it Through December”. So it’s the world’s weirdest juke box, until this year when “December will be Magic Again” hits the stylus.

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in December 2016: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential +3
  • Oilers in December 2017: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in December 2018: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in December 2019: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential +1

This kind of freaks me out. I’m going to worry about next year all year. What kind of strangeness is this? Come on. Tell me you knew this. Liar!

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0) 
  • At home to: OTT, LAK, BUF, CAR (Expected 2-1-1)
  • On the road to: MIN (Expected 1-0-0)
  • At home to: TOR (Expected 0-1-0) 
  • On the road to: DAL, STL (Expected 0-2-0)
  • At home to: PIT, MTL (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 0-0-1)
  • At home to: CAL, NYR (Expected 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-6-2, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-0-0, 2 points in 1 game

That victory vaults Edmonton seven points clear of Vancouver, while a regulation loss would have resulted in just three points of clearance. Losing the opener of the weekend set was a mortal sin, but winning the second game is like getting a Pac-man power pellet. If you listen closely, you can actually hear the sound.

OILERS 2019-20

All numbers NST and five on five unless referenced. McDavid and Draisaitl both hit 50 points in 29 games and that’s a big damned deal historically.

LINE 1 James Neal-Connor McDavid-Josh Archibald played 13:07, going 13-9 Corsi, 8-3 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-0 HDSC.

James Neal played well, he was aggressive and engaged, he had a power-play assist and a shot on goal. Liked his game, he could have cashed but things happen in a hurry. Connor McDavid is so fast! I know you know, but we should throw that in once in awhile. Two assists, two takeaways, missed out on a PP assist because everyone was passing, took a penalty and should have drawn a dozen. I don’t know what Oilers fans did to deserve 97, but my goodness it was worth it. Josh Archibald scored a nice goal and has finally joined the hit parade. Credit to Dave Tippett for getting everyone a chance with the human cheat code.

LINE 2 Jujhar Khaira-Leon Draisaitl-Sam Gagner played 11:22, going 7-8 Corsi, 6-4 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC.

Jujhar Khaira didn’t get a lot done at five-on-five but was solid on the PK and kept the line moving. Leon Draisaitl had four shots and a takeaway and a goal (plus one on the PP) and looked much more involved than the previous night. I liked the line, but Leon did his damage with 97. Sam Gagner had three shots and made some nifty passes too.

LINE 3 Joakim Nygard-Riley Sheahan-Alex Chiasson played 6:34, going 5-4 Corsi, 4-3 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-3 HDSC.

Joakin Nygard skates swiftly and it creates chaos. Oilers need to play him more so he can find the range. I think he might be able to help. He had two shots and one HDSC. Riley Sheahan marked JT Miller right to the edge of the property before Miller sent a dart that started the first Vancouver goal. Tippett needs him to fill that checking role, he has struggled. Alex Chiasson delivered a great pass which led to a Leon PP goal, and had another at five-on-five; he is finding the range more often offensively.

LINE 4 Markus Granlund-Gaetan Haas-Patrick Russell played 8:22, going 9-4 Corsi, 4-2 shots no goals and 1-0 HDSC.

A fine night from this line, they were on pucks like a fly on stink. Markus Granlund forechecked well and was strong on the PK. Gaetan Haas had four shots, one HDSC and a takeaway. He continues to impress with his utility. Patrick Russell scored his first NHL goal, but the Scrooge was in town and found two ghosts, so disallowed.

PAIRING ONE Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 19:28, going 20-16 Corsi, 12-8 shots, 1-1 goals, 3-2 HDSC and 9-4 offensive-defensive faceoffs. Nurse played 13:21 with 97, Bear 11:34. Played 9:10 against Pettersson group.

Darnell Nurse picked up an assist on the Archibald goal, sending a dandy tippable pass to the slot and the cash. Bear was caught both trying to stop the pass from Hughes to Boeser and interrupt Boeser’s open net opportunity and was unable to do either. Nurse had a brief chance to intercept the pass from Miller but that was a dart and a helluva play. Nurse had three shots on goal and a couple of promising sorties (one a pass from McDavid that never did get to Nurse), Bear had some rookie vapor lock in one instance but delivered cherry passes all over as well. Good pairing.

PAIRING TWO Oscar Klefbom and Adam Larsson played 17:19, going 13-22 Corsi, 8-10 shots, 0-1 goals, 0-2 HDSC and 5-4 offensive-defensive faceoffs. Klefbom played 4:40 with 97, Larsson 4:31. Pair was 6:40 against Pettersson trio.

Oscar Klefbom had his man but the puck squirted to Josh Leivo (I SO said the Oilers should acquire him many many times) and that’s all she wrote. Adam Larsson looked like his old self to me, or at least closer to, and seems to be more mobile by the hour. Good sign.

THIRD PAIRING Caleb Jones and Matt Benning played 6:01, going 0-8 Corsi, 0-5 shots, no goals and 0-3 HDSC.

Matt Benning’s final shift ended at 16:49 of the second period, he was pulled from the game for impersonated Mathieu Roy. Caleb Jones final shift was the same one as Benning’s, although Jones remained on the ice for another 30 seconds. Neither man played the third period, one due to injury and the other due to rookie.

GOALIE Mikko Koskinen stopped 30 of 32, .938. He was rock solid in net, exactly the kind of goaltending this team needed on a night when some important pieces were missing. Do me a favor and remember this game, spent on the road against a good team, shorthanded and in need of a win to stop the bleeding. Koskinen is the Oilers best goalie and it’s not close.

BIG WIN

The Bettman NHL is a lot about avoiding long losing streaks and Edmonton went into last night’s game having lost two in a row with an ugly goal differential. It was a big win, in division and in regulation. Remember this one.

MATT BENNING

After the slap shot to the head (hockey is such a dangerous game) Matt Benning returned and he made a play that has me a little worried about him. I don’t remember the forward, but a Canucks player had a seam and the puck came to him inside the blue line. Benning was the last line of defense, but he took a weird route (I think he was trying to hit the Vancouver player) and botched it, leaving the puck, the Canuck and Mikko Koskinen alone together. Matt Benning doesn’t make a reckless play like that one. I know the Oilers will make sure he’s ready before return, but this young man has had some head hits over the years. It’s a worry.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning with much to discuss gets underway at 10 this morning, TSN1260. Reid Fowler from Draft Kings/NFL looks back at a crazy weekend, Guy Flaming from The Pipeline Show will preview Canada’s World Junior roster (announcement this morning at 11). Jason Gregor will be by at 11 to talk Oilers and the big win last night.

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    19/20
    EDM Goal Share after 29 games (17-9-3)

    Even strength (5v5,4v4,3v3)
    McDavid On Ice 35-24 (59%)
    McDavid Off Ice 26-39 (40%)
    Net EV = -2

    Sp. Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against)
    26-15
    Net ST +11

    Empty Net
    2-5
    Net EN = -3

    SO & PS
    2-1
    SO & PS = +1

    Net Goal Differential +7

    Special Teams are everything to EDM.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL 12
    COL 8
    WPG 6

    Pacific
    EDM 8
    ARI 6
    SJS 3

    Wildcard
    DAL 5
    NSH 2

    Out of playoffs
    VAN 2
    VGK 2
    MIN 1
    CGY 1
    CHI -1
    ANA -1
    LAK -3

    Looks like my prediction of SJS taking 3rd in the Pacific from VAN over the weekend came to pass.

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings using points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Atlantic
    BOS 16
    FLA 5
    TBY 3

    Metropolitan
    WSH 15
    NYI 12
    PHI 8

    Wildcard
    CAR 6
    PIT 5

    Out of playoffs
    NYR 4
    BUF 2
    TOR 2
    MTL 1
    CBJ 0
    NJD -3
    OTT -4
    DET -12

    We’re a fun part of the schedule were 3rd in a division is a worse team than 6th in the other and a better team misses the playoffs.

    That won’t hold long term but it makes for fun listening to NYR fans yell about the playoff seeding format for about a week.

    Yzerman is all about Lafreniere eh?

    Best way to tank? Goalie injuries and below average back ups.

  4. ArmchairGM says:

    This homestand is an excellent opportunity to make hay against some weaker opponents… as long as they don’t take them for granted.

  5. Darth Tu says:

    I’m also worried about Benning. How many concussion related injuries has he had since joining the Oilers? That’s two this year alone, and I can remember at least two other absences in previous seasons without doing the old internet searching. I remember him also seeing marked drop offs in play after his return in those previous seasons where he was injured. I hope Matt’s OK.

    Fantastic victory last night, great to get that lead again, particularly with our games played now exceeding the rest of the chasing pack in the division (with the exception of the Flames).

    Now we wait for news on Nuge….

  6. Andy Dufresne says:

    Mikko Koskinen 3 x $4.5m

    A Value Contract!! Who knew? 🙂

    Todays menu features Crow and Hat.

    Step right up folks there’s plenty for everyone. Dont be shy.

  7. Andy Dufresne says:

    Adam Larsson just turned 27 three weeks ago.

    Any talk of trading him is foolhardy.

    Talk should be about his value come playoff time and how to get him re-signed in the summer.

  8. Washingtron says:

    Anyone hear anything about the Gagner/Sheahan bench fracas at the end of the game? (Apologies to the fella who posted the tweet showing it last night, don’t recall who.)

    EDIT:: evidently it was just an intensely exuberant celebration? It sure looked like he was mad but I’m relieved to hear they were seen happily together after the game.

  9. jp says:

    Washingtron:
    Anyone hear anything about the Gagner/Sheahan bench fracas at the end of the game?(Apologies to the fella who posted the tweet showing it last night, don’t recall who.)

    Pouzar passed this on in the morning (yesterdays) thread:

    Mark Spector (@SportsnetSpec) · Twitter
    https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec
    Sam Gagner reaches out to say that the post-game shove between him and Sheehan is a tradition – how they celebrate many wins. Bigger win, bigger shove. Nothing nefarious there.
    Twitter · 2 hours ago

  10. Wonder Llama says:

    If it weren’t for that one clunky line (“it’s all a lot of oysters and no pearls”), “Long December” would be a virtually perfect song.

  11. Washingtron says:

    jp,

    Thanks JP! This stuff never happened in past seasons. A lot more smiles and laughs on the bench and it’s sure good to see.

  12. Andy Dufresne says:

    There was talk on yesterdays thread that Tippett may have benched / sat Kassian becasue of a bad penalty.

    Firstly it was not a that bad a penalty. Kassian finishing a check and was “maybe” a 1/2 second late in arriving.

    Remember when he rocked Nathan McKinnon and set the tone for the Oilers victory over Colorado?

    Tippett is a players Coach. He absolutley did not bench Kassian. NO WAY NO HOW EXCALMATION MARK PERIOD. …….. imo…. 🙂

    Kassian has done an amazing job at playing skilled offense with the dymanic duo while bringing the type of edge that every Coach dreams about.

    He may be Tippets 3rd most valued forward on the team after Conner and Leon.

    Go to market and try and procure yourself a Kassian. You would be shocked at the asking price.

    #RodneyDangerfield

  13. jp says:

    Great win last night. Strong game by Koskinen and the Oilers really took control in the 3rd.

    The least favorable (and probably most accurate) way to look at the Oilers season to date is by Points%.

    By that measure the Edmonton Oilers are:
    7th in the NHL
    3rd in the Western Confernce
    1st in their division

    More than a 3rd of the way to the finish line and things are holding together.

    McDavid and Draisaitl are still 1/2 in scoring.
    Tied for 1st in assists.
    3rd and 4th in goals.

    Neal remains tied for 10th in goals.

    Koskinen remains a top 10 goaler in GAA and SV%.

    Fun times!

  14. jp says:

    Washingtron:
    jp,

    Thanks JP!This stuff never happened in past seasons.A lot more smiles and laughs on the bench and it’s sure good to see.

    It is good to see!

  15. Andy Dufresne says:

    jp: Pouzar passed this on in the morning (yesterdays) thread:

    Mark Spector (@SportsnetSpec) · Twitter
    https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec
    Sam Gagner reaches out to say that the post-game shove between him and Sheehan is a tradition – how they celebrate many wins. Bigger win, bigger shove. Nothing nefarious there.
    Twitter · 2 hours ago

    Crap….That was good acting….Becasue the look on Gagners face truly fooled me. He looked pissed off.

    #JamesGagney

  16. jp says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Mikko Koskinen3 x $4.5m

    A Value Contract!!Who knew?🙂

    Todays menu features Crow and Hat.

    Step right up folks there’s plenty for everyone. Dont be shy.

    +1

    Andy Dufresne:
    Adam Larsson just turned 27 three weeks ago.

    Any talk of trading him is foolhardy.

    Talk should be about his value come playoff time and how to get him re-signed in the summer.

    +1

    We may not agree on Puljujarvi, but… 🙂

  17. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Mikko Koskinen3 x $4.5m

    A Value Contract!!Who knew?

    Todays menu features Crow and Hat.

    Step right up folks there’s plenty for everyone. Dont be shy.

    I’m not sure why anyone needs to eat crow. That was an awful, awful contract the day it was signed. We’re lucky the player made the contract look very good, but it was still a bad signing at the time.

  18. jp says:

    Andy Dufresne: Crap….That was good acting….Becasue the look on Gagners face truly fooled me. He looked pissed off.

    #JamesGagney

    Same. It looked like trouble in paradise.

  19. Andy Dufresne says:

    We stilll need a power play point man.

    Can you imagine the leagues best PP could be better???

    #EvanFromHeavan

  20. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not sure why anyone needs to eat crow. That was an awful, awful contract the day it was signed. We’re lucky the player made the contract look very good, but it was still a bad signing at the time.

    Sorry…I couldnt hear you….can you take the feathers out of your mouth.

    You had me at “Im not sure” … 🙂

    #ResultsMatter

  21. Andy Dufresne says:

    jp: +1

    +1

    We may not agree on Puljujarvi, but…

    Thanks JP. We’re a little closer on Puljujarvi than I actually let on. I say the things I do to try and keep some perspective on how to hanlde the situation moving forward (ie, keep him in Liga, hope for a strong showing in playoffs and tournament play)

    In a perfect world he would return to the Oilers and be a star……Im hoping he elevates his play playing where he is most comforatable and that as a result we can get a bottom third (20-30) first round pick back at the Draft. I might be dreaming…but I am reasonably confident that Holland is not giving him away for a bag of magic beans.

  22. northerndancer says:

    Lowetide (hockey is such a dangerous game)

    If I were someone Benning trusted I would take him aside and ask him to quit playing hockey. He has made some money, proven his worth, and needs to not become one of the many ex-pro players who are unable to speak a sentence or tie their own shoes at age 40.

    I am a big fan of a very beautiful but sometimes violent sport. I set aside my rationale side to cheer the big hits (even the one on Chiasson) and the pretty plays.

    Good luck Matt Benning. You have given me more than I deserve.

    A gutsy win by the Oil last night. The Oil stayed on script and the last period looked like the old days when the Sharks would take a game home with relentless checking.

    It was a good lesson for Leon to have to play with bottom sixers. I am sure he will be the most happy to see Nuge return.

  23. jp says:

    LT, just got to fully reading your post. Lots of beautifully written little nuggets in there, really enjoyed it.

    Also, Patrick Russell deserved better!

  24. JamesL says:

    I’ve had this plan
    For many years
    But now I can’t remember
    I wanted to assassinate December
    I wanted to assassinate December

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8o-wQQs2s8

  25. dustrock says:

    One wonders why the NHL pretends to have a concussion protocol at all.

  26. jp says:

    Andy Dufresne: Thanks JP.We’re a little closer on Puljujarvi than I actually let on. I say the things I do to try and keep some perspective on how to hanlde the situation moving forward (ie, keep him in Liga, hope for a strong showing in playoffs and tournament play)

    In a perfect world he would return to the Oilers and be a star……Im hoping he elevates his play playing where he is most comforatable and that as a result we can get a bottom third (20-30) first round pick back at the Draft. I might be dreaming…but I am reasonably confident that Holland is not giving him away for a bag of magic beans.

    Good to hear, and you got your wish on him staying in Liiga.

    Hopefully he continues to build on his year thus far (including a strong World Championships – that’s probably THE key). I agree Holland won’t be giving him away, and also that if things break right Puljujarvi can be worth a late first, or equivalent.

  27. Cassandra says:

    Andy Dufresne: Sorry…I couldnt hear you….can you take the feathers out of your mouth.

    What about this don’t you understand? Are you being daft on purpose?

    Koskinen could have a 1.000% save percentage and it would still be a terrible contract to have signed because it was so, so, so, so, much higher than his established value. This is axiomatic. You don’t get to disagree. If you don’t agree it is only because you are incapable of understanding.

  28. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Mikko Koskinen3 x $4.5m

    A Value Contract!!Who knew?

    Todays menu features Crow and Hat.

    Step right up folks there’s plenty for everyone. Dont be shy.

    Mmmm, crow! Pass the salt, please!

  29. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Adam Larsson just turned 27 three weeks ago.

    Any talk of trading him is foolhardy.

    Talk should be about his value come playoff time and how to get him re-signed in the summer.

    We should not be talking about re-signing him in the summer – that expansion draft protected slot is way too valuable. If we sign Larsson next summer we’ll lose Bear to Seattle. Not a good move.

  30. dustrock says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Mikko Koskinen3 x $4.5m

    A Value Contract!!Who knew?

    Todays menu features Crow and Hat.

    Step right up folks there’s plenty for everyone. Dont be shy.

    I mean, the contract is still terrible and you let me know after the 3 years is up whether or not it was value.

    I’m very glad he’s playing well but that in no wise somehow justifies the contract being idiotic at the time.

  31. teddyturnbuckle says:

    We may be ahead of the Canucks in the standings but my takeaway from both games combined is that the Canucks are a better team. They outplayed the Oilers for most of those two games. The Oilers now are coasting playing 500 hockey after a great start to the season. Our only hope is that Holland can add a bit through call ups and a trade. If not I feel we will limp into the end of the season.

  32. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Firstly it was not a that bad a penalty. Kassian finishing a check and was “maybe” a 1/2 second late in arriving.

    It was a bad penalty. Kassian didn’t start skating towards Tanev until he was already engaged and turned his back. Kassian wasn’t a part of the play so he wasn’t “finishing his check” and only skated towards him to hit him.

    I rarely agree with charging penalties, but that was the right call.

    Remember when he rocked Nathan McKinnon and set the tone for the Oilers victory over Colorado?

    That was a good hit. Kassian was hot on his heels on a back check and plowed through him when MacKinnon button-hooked. Nothing wrong with that hit at all. Loved it.


    Tippett is a players Coach. He absolutley did not bench Kassian. NO WAY NO HOW EXCALMATION MARK PERIOD. …….. imo…. 🙂

    Tippett sat Granlund for taking two bad penalties. Kassian has the most penalties taken on the Oilers. Its plausible for sure.


    Kassian has done an amazing job at playing skilled offense with the dymanic duo while bringing the type of edge that every Coach dreams about.

    He does good in that spot, but isn’t irreplaceable. Archibald looked ok there in his first game and got a goal.


    He may be Tippets 3rd most valued forward on the team after Conner and Leon.

    Now you’re just too excited. RNH and its not close.

    The fact that there is only 1 ahead of him speaks far more to Pete taking a gas can and blow torch to the wings than anything else.

    ….and I say all this as a Kassian fan and someone who has defended him routinely in this comments section for years.

  33. jp says:

    Andy Dufresne:

    Kassian has done an amazing job at playing skilled offense with the dymanic duo while bringing the type of edge that every Coach dreams about.

    This one too lol.

    I find it incredible how much Kassian has improved his discipline in the last year. As Godot has rightfully pointed out, in the past Kassian could be counted on for “dumb” plays on the regular. That’s damn near completely gone from his game this season, while still playing with an edge. And he’s creating offense consistently. And he’s been reliable defensively (also a major issue in the past). He’s a totally different player.

    I hope the Oilers don’t have to break the bank on Kassian, but I sure hope they find a way to re-sign him.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maybe the most important part of last night’s game, Larsson played apx 22 minutes, including over 9 minutes in the third period, and it was by far his best game of the year – he looked like the higher end defensive Larsson that was such an important player in 2017.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    No huge surprise but Patrik Siikanen was named to the Finish World Junior Camp team.

  36. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jp,

    Great win last night. Strong game by Koskinen and the Oilers really took control in the 3rd.

    Best part of that game was that their strong corsi run went on immediately after they got the go ahead goal.

    I think it was a 8-0 run over 5 minutes.

    CF% by period last night
    VAN
    65%
    58%
    45%

    xGF% by period last night
    VAN
    49%
    66%
    21%

    Its great to see they had the puck more with the lead and “boxes out the good chances” if we can infer that from the xGF% in the 3rd.

  37. Clarkenstein says:

    Agree with you completely LT on Benning. He might have to sit for 2 or 3 months to let things settle down. Concussions coming so close together must create long term issues. He’s settled in as a very reliable, young 3rd pairing Dman. There should be no hurry to get him back in the lineup.

  38. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne: Kassian has done an amazing job at playing skilled offense with the dymanic duo while bringing the type of edge that every Coach dreams about.

    He may be Tippets 3rd most valued forward on the team after Conner and Leon.

    Go to market and try and procure yourself a Kassian. You would be shocked at the asking price.

    He’s the 7th best 5v5 producer in the league through November:

    1. Draisaitl: 30
    2. McDavid: 28
    3. Marchand: 26
    4. MacKinnon: 24
    4. Pastrnak: 24
    6. Panarin: 20
    7. Kassian: 19
    7. Eichel: 19

    He’s big, fast, physical and has good hands. And he’s a great guy and teammate.

  39. Clarkenstein says:

    ArmchairGM: He’s the 7th best 5v5 producer in the league through November:

    1. Draisaitl: 30
    2. McDavid: 28
    3. Marchand: 26
    4. MacKinnon: 24
    4. Pastrnak: 24
    6. Panarin: 20
    7. Kassian: 19
    7. Eichel: 19

    He’s big, fast, physical and has good hands. And he’s a great guy and teammate.

    And he plays with #1 and #2. 🙂

  40. ArmchairGM says:

    jp:
    Great win last night. Strong game by Koskinen and the Oilers really took control in the 3rd.

    The least favorable (and probably most accurate) way to look at the Oilers season to date is by Points%.

    By that measure the Edmonton Oilers are:
    7th in the NHL
    3rd in the Western Confernce
    1st in their division

    More than a 3rd of the way to the finish line and things are holding together.

    McDavid and Draisaitl are still 1/2 in scoring.
    Tied for 1st in assists.
    3rd and 4th in goals.

    Neal remains tied for 10th in goals.

    Koskinen remains a top 10 goaler in GAA and SV%.

    Fun times!

    Also:

    #1 PP in the league
    #2 PK in the league

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  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    I can’t fault Sheehan on the Boeser goal – that was just a wonderful play by a couple of opponents.

  43. Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Firstly it was not a that bad a penalty. Kassian finishing a check and was “maybe” a 1/2 second late in arriving.

    It was a bad penalty.Kassian didn’t start skating towards Tanev until he was already engaged and turned his back. Kassian wasn’t a part of the play and only skated towards him to hit him.

    I rarely agree with charging penalties, but that was the right call.

    Totally agree with this assessment, but to me that wasn’t even the worst part of it. Offensive zone penalties are always a bad thing, but Kass completely ignored a loose puck that he easily could have retrieved and turned into a grade A opportunity. That’s a whole nother game if we score or gain O zone time and momentum rather than go on the PK and surrender a goal.

    I love Kass, but that decision pissed me off, so I would imagine Tippett was none to pleased either.

  44. jp says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    jp,

    Great win last night. Strong game by Koskinen and the Oilers really took control in the 3rd.

    Best part of that game was that their strong corsi run went on immediately after they got the go ahead goal.

    I think it was a 8-0 run over 5 minutes.

    CF% by period last night
    VAN
    65%
    58%
    45%

    xGF% by period last night
    49%
    66%
    21%

    Its great to see they had the puck more with the lead and “boxes out the good chances” if we can infer that from the xGF% in the 3rd.

    Yeah, very impressive. Credit Tippett for this new dimension for the Oilers, pretty sure.

  45. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not sure why anyone needs to eat crow. That was an awful, awful contract the day it was signed. We’re lucky the player made the contract look very good, but it was still a bad signing at the time.

    You make a good point. His stats looked better this time last year, too. Pre-December 2nd:

    2018: 8-2-0-1, 2.15, 0.928
    2019: 10-2-0-2, 2.52, 0.921

    It’s still early. Let’s hope it doesn’t get late early.

  46. JimmyV1965 says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    We may be ahead of the Canucks in the standings but my takeaway from both games combined is that the Canucks are a better team. They outplayed the Oilers for most of those two games. The Oilers now are coasting playing 500 hockey after a great start to the season.Our only hope is that Holland can add a bit through call ups and a trade.If not I feel we will limp into the end of the season.

    I’m not sure I agree with this. I think the Canucks made a bunch of terrible plays in the first game. Their inability to exit the dzone, at some points during that game, was shocking. However, the Oil were just as bad. Their inability to even get a shot on net after extended ozone time is shocking as well.

    I thought these were two evenly played games, with one or the other team dominating the other at different times during each game. IMO Both teams are very flawed, yet both are playoff contenders, but not quite Cup contenders.

    I think the PP played a big role in both games. Each team seemed to build momentum from the PP at different points during each game that helped propel them to victory.

  47. hunter1909 says:

    teddyturnbuckle: The Oilers now are coasting playing 500 hockey after a great start to the season.

    4th overall in the NHL and you’re complaining it’s still not good enough?

    No one expected them to be this good. Even Holland’s got to be a bit shocked.

    At least we know Holland knows how to win trades. James Neal for Milan Lucic alone proves this beyond any shadow of reasonable doubt.

    I’ll now reveal something that really pissed me off in 2016-17 – how the team made it clear they didn’t expect to win and didn’t have a fucking clue how to deal with it. Then McLellan got 100% schooled in the playoffs and no one even mentioned it.

  48. Side says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Maybe the most important part of last night’s game, Larsson played apx 22 minutes, including over 9 minutes in the third period, and it was by far his best game of the year – he looked like the higher end defensive Larsson that was such an important player in 2017.

    Thanks for that. I didn’t get a chance to watch the whole game but I was wondering how Larsson would do.

  49. Pouzar says:

    Cassandra: What about this don’t you understand?Are you being daft on purpose?

    This is axiomatic.You don’t get to disagree.If you don’t agree it is only because you are incapable of understanding.

    Try explaining to Jeff Chapman Nurse is 1st pairing LD 5v5.

    But I was told not to take it personally so I won’t.

  50. Andy Dufresne says:

    Cassandra: What about this don’t you understand?Are you being daft on purpose?

    Koskinen could have a 1.000% save percentage and it would still be a terrible contract to have signed because it was so, so, so, so, much higher than his established value.This is axiomatic.You don’t get to disagree.If you don’t agree it is only because you are incapable of understanding.

    What part of “he’s out-performing his contract” dont you get Sandy?

    Some smart people who scouted him (look up” scouted” smart ass) you know ” watched him play” and knew what he was….as opposed to you who read his bio …then wrote him off. #PaperTiger

    He comes over in year one, a transition year on a smaller ice surface, a different system, a different language, and looks pretty good for the first 25 games Then his coach overplays him, his team plays like shit in front of him, and his play sags. Whoopty fuckin doo!

    You dont get to pretend that you who read a few press clippings knew more about his “value” than the people signing his contract and giving him $4.5m dollars in “the real world”….and then claim that they were just what? Lucky? …..THATS axiomatic my friend. 🙂

    It flies in the face of reality and in the face of the facts.

    #ResultsMatter

    #DunningKruegerEffect

    Daft? No…. Obtuse….maybe. 🙂

  51. hunter1909 says:

    teddyturnbuckle: We may be ahead of the Canucks in the standings but my takeaway from both games combined is that the Canucks are a better team. They outplayed the Oilers for most of those two games.

    Last night in the 3rd period Oilers bitch slapped the young Canucks and there was nothing they could do about it. That’s hardly the mark of a better team.

    Canucks are good, I’ll give you that but they’re not in 1st place like one team I could name that you would recognise instantly.

  52. Andy Dufresne says:

    ArmchairGM: He’s the 7th best 5v5 producer in the league through November:

    1. Draisaitl: 30
    2. McDavid: 28
    3. Marchand: 26
    4. MacKinnon: 24
    4. Pastrnak: 24
    6. Panarin: 20
    7. Kassian: 19
    7. Eichel: 19

    He’s big, fast, physical and has good hands. And he’s a great guy and teammate.

    +1 Thank you for keeping it real.

    Perspective. Its a thing.

  53. Brantford Boy says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    If you caught the photo on After Hours, his abs are pretty impressive too… not quite dreamy…

    #SwedishAbsDuo

  54. Pouzar says:

    Funny thing happened…I have not been a member of The Athletic in 2 years. I check my CC statement this AM and there it is. $71 CDN.

  55. Greenberg says:

    So there’s kind words for Kassian and Koskinen this morning. Bad Bad Peter, thank you.

  56. Brantford Boy says:

    Glad Josh Archibald scored… I was going to post something in relation to Rieder and old yotes scoring touch yesterday but glad I didnt…

    As for the cheat code it’s:
    Back, Down, Down, X
    Down, Forward, Back, Y

    Finish Him!

  57. Yeti says:

    Andy Dufresne: What part of “he’s out-performing his contract” dont you get Sandy?

    It’s just too early to say, Andy, even if things look good right now. I tell you what, why not keep a couple of crows close at hand in your back cupboard ready for April’s feasting (although I encourage you to remove the feathers prior to serving).

  58. Rondo says:

    Taylor Hall can’t buy a goal this year. He’s not the same player this year. Is this an aberration or is this the new Hall. Hall is coming off an injury.

  59. geowal says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Mikko Koskinen3 x $4.5m

    A Value Contract!!Who knew?

    Todays menu features Crow and Hat.

    Step right up folks there’s plenty for everyone. Dont be shy.

    I think everyone is right here. He is outperforming his contract, so far, this season. If you said Mikko will “never ever be good” or “has no chance to be value” or other such hyperbole, then I heard crow is great deep fried.

    It was also a terrible contract, and firing Chiarelli for signing it remains justifiable when combined with his previous work. The market was the market, and Koskinen was not a high end RFA.

    As a side note, and there’s no way to prove this, I don’t think Koskinen looks nearly as good, to the point we’re talking about buyouts if McLellan is still the coach. This is due to all of Tippett’s D systems, his early goalie rotation, and overall team play especially PK improvement (some cred to Holland there)

  60. ArmchairGM says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    We may be ahead of the Canucks in the standings but my takeaway from both games combined is that the Canucks are a better team. They outplayed the Oilers for most of those two games. The Oilers now are coasting playing 500 hockey after a great start to the season.Our only hope is that Holland can add a bit through call ups and a trade.If not I feel we will limp into the end of the season.

    Eye test, small sample. In the past 14 games:

    VCR: 4-8-2, 38-50 goals (-12), 21-38 ES goals (-17)
    EDM: 7-5-2, 46-46 goals (even), 33-38 ES goals (-5)

    Vancouver’s hot PP is the only thing keeping them relevant right now. They have scored more goals than any other team in the league this year, partly due to them getting more opportunities than any other team. Edmonton is 29th in the league in number of PP opportunities per game. #criminal

  61. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne: What part of “he’s out-performing his contract” dont you get Sandy?

    Some smart people who scouted him (look up” scouted” smart ass) you know ” watched him play” and knew what he was….as opposed to you who read his bio …then wrote him off.#PaperTiger

    He comes over in year one, a transition year on a smaller ice surface, a different system, a different language, and looks pretty good for the first 25 games Then his coach overplays him, his team plays like shit in front of him, and his play sags. Whoopty fuckin doo!

    You dont get to pretend that you who read a few press clippings knew more about his “value” than the people signing his contract and giving him $4.5m dollars in “the real world”….and then claim that they were just what? Lucky? …..THATS axiomatic my friend.

    It flies in the face of reality and in the face of the facts.

    #ResultsMatter

    #DunningKruegerEffect

    Daft? No….Obtuse….maybe.

    There is no way in hell Koskinen would have got 3 x $4.5 mill in the open market after the season and there was no reason for the Oilers to sign him in January. Chia was fired one day after that signing for a reason. We got lucky.

  62. slopitch says:

    As fans we often develop favorites. One guy Im watching more lately is Patrick Russell. He seems to be in the right spot on the ice at all times.

    His puckiq player summary:
    Patrick Russell R
    Games Played: 23
    Total Min: 248.47
    TOI/Game: 10.80
    Comp TOI% CF% CF60RC DFF% DFF60RCGF%
    All 100.0 47.50 -3.49 51.40 -2.89 50.00
    Elite 28.2 40.60 -4.55 37.50 -7.39 50.00
    Middle 34.1 55.20 9.71 58.70 8.49 60.00
    Gritensity 37.7 45.90 -16.95 56.20 -11.91 40.00

    Let’s be clear, he’s not a world beater and you’d like to see better numbers vs grits. And much of his value is on the PK. But he’s now had 31 shots now with no goals. Many of them decent quality. If the lightbulbs flicks like it did for Khaira a while ago we could be talking about this guy favorably. The next Pisani? Probably too high of a bar to hit. Russell will need to score eventually to make the grade. Until he does he’s a tweeer. But Im cheering for him.

  63. JimmyV1965 says:

    ArmchairGM: Eye test, small sample. In the past 14 games:

    VCR: 4-8-2, 38-50 goals (-12), 21-38 ES goals (-17)
    EDM: 7-5-2, 46-46 goals (even), 33-38 ES goals (-5)

    Vancouver’s hot PP is the only thing keeping them relevant right now. They have scored more goals than any other team in the league this year, partly due to them getting more opportunities than any other team. Edmonton is 29th in the league in number of PP opportunities per game. #criminal

    The only time I ever get angry watching a game is the consistently shitty reffing. I’m so sick of the crap calls. McDavid gets crosschecked and hooked going up the ice. 30 seconds later he’s called for a marginal penalty. Frickin joke.

  64. teddyturnbuckle says:

    ArmchairGM,

    I’m just getting greedy now after a little bit of Oiler success. I absolutely hate the Canucks and wouldn’t be able to handle a 7 game series loss to them. I’m not sure we are good enough yet to beat them but I also feel the Oilers are only 2 impact forwards away from taking the next step.

  65. Pouzar says:

    slopitch: The next Pisani?

    Haas

  66. Pouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: The only time I ever get angry watching a game is the consistently shitty reffing. I’m so sick of the crap calls. McDavid gets crosschecked and hooked going up the ice. 30 seconds later he’s called for a marginal penalty. Frickin joke.

    +100000000000000

  67. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Firstly it was not a that bad a penalty. Kassian finishing a check and was “maybe” a 1/2 second late in arriving.

    It was a bad penalty.Kassian didn’t start skating towards Tanev until he was already engaged and turned his back. Kassian wasn’t a part of the play so he wasn’t “finishing his check” and only skated towards him to hit him.

    I rarely agree with charging penalties, but that was the right call.

    Remember when he rocked Nathan McKinnon and set the tone for the Oilers victory over Colorado?

    That was a good hit.Kassian was hot on his heels on a back check and plowed through him when MacKinnon button-hooked.Nothing wrong with that hit at all.Loved it.


    Tippett is a players Coach. He absolutley did not bench Kassian. NO WAY NO HOW EXCALMATION MARK PERIOD. …….. imo….

    Tippett sat Granlund for taking two bad penalties.Kassian has the most penalties taken on the Oilers.Its plausible for sure.


    Kassian has done an amazing job at playing skilled offense with the dymanic duo while bringing the type of edge that every Coach dreams about.

    He does good in that spot, but isn’t irreplaceable.Archibald looked ok there in his first game and got a goal.


    He may be Tippets 3rd most valued forward on the team after Conner and Leon.

    Now you’re just too excited.RNH and its not close.

    The fact that there is only 1 ahead of him speaks far more to Pete taking a gas can and blow torch to the wings than anything else.

    ….and I say all this as a Kassian fan and someone who has defended him routinely in this comments section for years.

    A well reasoned response. ThankYou.

    I dindt say it wasnt a bad penalty. It just wasnt “as bad” as some make it out to be..imo..Definitely not the type of penalty that warrants a press box sitting for a player the calibre of Kassian. NO WAY NO HOW NEVER PERIOD. 🙂 The fact / idea that you think it does / might tells me one of two things, either you and I value Kassian differently (nothing wrong with that) of that you and I have a different opinion on Tippett’s coaching style.

    I believe that if as you suggest, Tippet wants to send Kassian a message, which as you suggest, is plausible…then he sits Kassian for more a shift. Or, AT WORST, takes him off the top line for one period. But hey, reasoanable people can disagree.

    I agree with “RNH and its not close”. The stats establish this in spades. So Ill conceed that point readily. I would posit that the gap between Nuge and Kass (in the playoffs or must win games) is far less than the gap between Kass and the next best forward on the roster (yes, including Neal).

    As far as the Archibald vs Kassian on the top line…..Now you’re the one who is reaching here 🙂 I acknolwedge that you used the term “ok”

    IMO, You are pre-diposed to analytics and great at it I might add. Your work informs me on a daily basis, and try hard not to thank you on the one hand and dis you on the other. But I think that I value players like Kassian and Larsson for more than what the analytics show us. ( and i get that you may as well) I think that this leads me to feel like some posters (not you) undervalue these two players in particular which leads me to want to counteract that sentiment.

    Anyway, thanks again for the well reasoned response.

    #ResignLarssonAndKassian

    And That Right Soon!

  68. flyfish1168 says:

    ” I don’t know what Oilers fans did to deserve 97, but my goodness it was worth it ”

    LT It should read “NHL does not deserve 97” why on earth do they not protect and help their prize asset succeed. Not calling the obstruction penalties dictate to the other teams how much they can and will get away. It a shame and disheartening to see and witness such disparity. Something is going to give on this front. Not sure what

    Watching both games against the Canucks I felt it was apparent we have at least 5 players slower than the Canucks slowest player minus Erickson. Sheahan, Gagner, P. Russell, Neal and Chaisson are not fast enough I can’t see us getting better if we have to keep carrying this many slow players.

  69. PennersPancakes says:

    Canucks:
    PPO: 110
    PPOA: 95
    PPG: 29
    ESG: 56

    Oilers:
    PPO: 80
    PPOA: 93
    PPG: 26
    ESG: 63

    Agreed with a previous comment, the Canucks power play and their abundance of power play opportunities (25 more than league average) are insane. Canucks some how have 30 more power plays than the Oilers. Cool.

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    https://twitter.com/joelsavvi/status/1201336673600069632?s=21

    Interesting find on the Liiga statistics page. Apparently they track player skating speed and distance traveled per period.

    Fastest rookie and 3rd fastest overall in the Liiga just happens to be Oilers Prospect, Patrik Siikanen. He apparently clocks in at 39.64 KM

  71. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: There is no way in hell Koskinen would have got 3 x $4.5 mill in the open market after the season and there was no reason for the Oilers to sign him in January.Chia was fired one day after that signing for a reason. We got lucky.

    So when we sign some other guy at “acknowledged” market value and he fails miserabley, we got unlucky? So all signings are just a matter of luck?

    In the business world and in the world of analytics “lucky” while considered (PDO etc) is not a determining charactheristc of decision making.

    Given this seasons performance and analytics, is Koskinen worth $4.5m. Yes or No?

    Because opinions are like assholes, we all have one. 🙂

    #ResultsMatter

  72. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    https://twitter.com/joelsavvi/status/1201336673600069632?s=21

    Interesting find on the Liiga statistics page. Apparently they track player skating speed and distance traveled per period.

    Fastest rookie and 3rd fastest overall in the Liiga just happens to be Oilers Prospect, Patrik Siikanen. He apparently clocks in at 39.64 KM

    So you’re telling me there’s more than one Bandi player in Liiga ???

  73. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    https://twitter.com/joelsavvi/status/1201336673600069632?s=21

    Interesting find on the Liiga statistics page. Apparently they track player skating speed and distance traveled per period.

    Fastest rookie and 3rd fastest overall in the Liiga just happens to be Oilers Prospect, Patrik Siikanen. He apparently clocks in at 39.64 KM

    I hope he has the hands and the mind to be an NHL player

  74. Andy Dufresne says:

    PennersPancakes:
    Canucks:
    PPO: 110
    PPOA: 95
    PPG: 29
    ESG: 56

    Oilers:
    PPO: 80
    PPOA: 93
    PPG: 26
    ESG: 63

    Agreed with a previous comment, the Canucks power play and their abundance of power play opportunities (25 more than league average) are insane. Canucks some how have 30 more power plays than the Oilers. Cool.

    I wonder if the league tracks this, and if historically, it tends to evn out over the course of the season?

    #CommitmentToParity

  75. Profit says:

    I was worried about yesterday’s game – I think that is a game the Oilers lose in previous years.

    I watched it with two fans of other teams (NYR and OTT) and both of them thought that the Oilers absolutely ran the show in the 3rd, and showed they have a gear that the Canucks don’t.

    If this is how the Oilers play in December – fighting injuries at the same time – I am pretty confident in the playoffs, as I have been for the past 4 weeks.

    Probably not saying anything new here, but this feels like a different team.

  76. pts2pndr says:

    ArmchairGM: We should not be talking about re-signing him in the summer – that expansion draft protected slot is way too valuable. If we sign Larsson next summer we’ll lose Bear to Seattle. Not a good move.

    You can sign him just can’t give him no trade, no movement clauses in the contract.

  77. Profit says:

    Pouzar,

    That’s actually weird. I bought a year-long sub as a gift for my father last year. Didn’t renew it (doing a different Christmas gift) and had cancelled his (still have mine). But after you said that I went and checked – got charged for the cancelled account. Wonder if they’re having some tech problems on the back end. I’ll write in and ask.

  78. Andy Dufresne says:

    flyfish1168: Watching both games against the Canucks I felt it was apparent we have at least 5 players slower than the Canucks slowest player minus Erickson. Sheahan, Gagner, P. Russell, Neal and Chaisson are not fast enough I can’t see us getting better if we have to keep carrying this many slow players.

    Good observation.

    Ken Holland has already begun to address this. I think it will be systematic and consistent. We will be getting faster with each subsequent trade, aquisition, draftee.

    Question for you. Do you consider Ethan Bear to be fast?

  79. Eh Team says:

    ArmchairGM: We should not be talking about re-signing him in the summer – that expansion draft protected slot is way too valuable. If we sign Larsson next summer we’ll lose Bear to Seattle. Not a good move.

    Even if the Oilers signed Larsson they wouldn’t protect him in an expansion draft ahead of Bear.

  80. Pouzar says:

    Profit:
    Pouzar,

    That’s actually weird. I bought a year-long sub as a gift for my father last year. Didn’t renew it (doing a different Christmas gift) and had cancelled his (still have mine). But after you said that I went and checked – got charged for the cancelled account. Wonder if they’re having some tech problems on the back end. I’ll write in and ask.

    Very strange indeed.

  81. PennersPancakes says:

    Andy Dufresne: I wonder if the league tracks this, and if historically, it tends to evn out over the course of the season?

    #CommitmentToParity

    You can find it on hockey reference per season on each team page. Not sure if theres a better dashboard to see compared to other teams and year over year though. Would be interesting to see.

    Wonder if theres certain teams and/or coaches that are always over/under average.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Prep hockey: Top ’00s headlined by KUA’s Mazura

    https://twitter.com/NEHockeyJournal/status/1201237725715816449

  83. cowboy bill says:

    After Leon scored that PP goal to start the third , it took a tremendous effort to shut the Canucks down for the rest of the game . That’s what needed to be done . That’s what the Canucks did to the Oil in the first game of the home & home , they got the lead , because Smitty was Swiss cheese , then closed it out.

    In fact if Mike Smith would have been on top of his game , Oilers would have won both games .

    Tippet should have put Kosky in to start the third after Smith was clearly faltering . Or Smith , if he injured himself , should have taken himself out , for the good of the team .

  84. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    There was talk on yesterdays thread that Tippett may have benched / sat Kassian becasue of a bad penalty.

    Firstly it was not a that bada penalty. Kassian finishing a check and was “maybe” a 1/2 second late in arriving.

    Remember when he rocked Nathan McKinnon and set the tone for the Oilers victory over Colorado?

    Tippett is a players Coach. He absolutley did not bench Kassian. NO WAY NO HOW EXCALMATION MARK PERIOD.…….. imo…. 🙂

    Kassian has done an amazing job at playing skilled offense with the dymanic duo while bringing the type of edge that every Coach dreams about.

    He may be Tippets 3rd most valued forward on the team after Conner and Leon.

    Go to market and try and procure yourself a Kassian. You would be shocked at the asking price.

    #RodneyDangerfield

    Letting somebody else pay Kassian is a good idea. If you look at it a benching for lack of discipline is a better option than sitting out because of a wonky back.

    No more than two years for Kassian. Any longer is a contract that will be a big mistake.

  85. Cassandra says:

    Andy Dufresne: What part of “he’s out-performing his contract” dont you get Sandy?

    Some smart people who scouted him (look up” scouted” smart ass) you know ” watched him play” and knew what he was….as opposed to you who read his bio …then wrote him off.#PaperTiger

    He comes over in year one, a transition year on a smaller ice surface, a different system, a different language, and looks pretty good for the first 25 games Then his coach overplays him, his team plays like shit in front of him, and his play sags. Whoopty fuckin doo!

    You dont get to pretend that you who read a few press clippings knew more about his “value” than the people signing his contract and giving him $4.5m dollars in “the real world”….and then claim that they were just what? Lucky? …..THATS axiomatic my friend. 🙂

    It flies in the face of reality and in the face of the facts.

    #ResultsMatter

    #DunningKruegerEffect

    Daft? No….Obtuse….maybe.🙂

    What part of it is utterly irrelevant whether he is outperforming his contract or not do you not understand. A contract of that value for a goalie of that age and track record is completely and totally without precedent. Koskinen could win every game for the rest of his life and it wouldn’t change a thing. The contract was, and is, absurd.

    Reasonable discourse requires some semblance of a shared language. You are being fundamentally unreasonable here. Is this a lack of intelligence on your part or simply ignorance.

  86. Andy Dufresne says:

    geowal: I think everyone is right here. He is outperforming his contract, so far, this season. If you said Mikko will “never ever be good” or “has no chance to be value” or other such hyperbole, then I heard crow is great deep fried.

    It was also a terrible contract, and firing Chiarelli for signing it remains justifiable when combined with his previous work. The market was the market, and Koskinen was not a high end RFA.

    As a side note, and there’s no way to prove this, I don’t think Koskinen looks nearly as good, to the point we’re talking about buyouts if McLellan is still the coach. This is due to all of Tippett’s D systems, his early goalie rotation, and overall team play especially PK improvement (some cred to Holland there)

    Agreed.

    The rhetoric around the contract went hyperbolic in real time.

    But not one of the hyperbolizers had spent a single dollar on the transaction. 🙂

    Respectfully, can I ask how you know what he was or wasnt? Because someone who saw him play ALOT begged to differ and was happy to pay him $13.5m dollars. What? Hoping to getr lucky? If you beleive this then I just dont know what to tell you.

    We on websites somehow lose track / consciousness of what it takes to spend $13.5 and in some respect mortage the future of a $500m franchise.

    Can we not just acknowlege that someone did thier job and was more informed than we were?

    I like to constantly remind my piers, rich poeple dont get rich by giving their money away. That is just a fact. Use that fact as a starting point and work backwards from there.

    Now Ill shut up so you can get back to work. Diapers are expensive! 🙂

  87. flyfish1168 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Good observation.

    Ken Holland has already begun to address this. I think it will be systematic and consistent. We will be getting faster with each subsequent trade, aquisition, draftee.

    Question for you. Do you consider Ethan Bear to be fast?

    I watch him carefully and I do worry about his 1st step acceleration. I think as he gets closer to 30 this lack of acceleration will be more apparent. I don’t feel it is there. When you watch Maker and Hughes they are miles ahead with their skating abilities. Ethan’s hand and mind speed is NHL

  88. SoCaloil says:

    Apparently Kassian had back spasms.
    He was not benched.

    Kassian’s penalty wasn’t that bad..a well deserved 2 minutes.
    “You go to the box…and you feel shame”

    Granlund’s goalie interference was far worse. IMO.
    Combined, two unnecessary Ozone penalties in the first period.

    The fact that Granlund played and Kass didn’t, is proof to me that it was a physical ailment that prevented him from playing.

    Now Loui Eriksson……thank you….and enjoy your $6 million popcorn next week.
    Not something you expect from a veteran. He should be scratched.

  89. ArmchairGM says:

    pts2pndr: You can sign him just can’t give him no trade, no movement clauses in the contract.

    They *can* sign him, but they’ll then lose either him or Bear to Seattle (unless they only protect 4 forwards, which may not be a good idea either. Signing Larsson next summer (and, for that matter, Nuge) vastly increases the value of player which will be lost to Seattle. Trade protection has nothing to do with it.

  90. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM: He’s the 7th best 5v5 producer in the league through November:

    1. Draisaitl: 30
    2. McDavid: 28
    3. Marchand: 26
    4. MacKinnon: 24
    4. Pastrnak: 24
    6. Panarin: 20
    7. Kassian: 19
    7. Eichel: 19

    He’s big, fast, physical and has good hands. And he’s a great guy and teammate.

    There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

    What you post above is the “fooled by statistics” Kool-Aid.

    Kassian had his two best and most disciplined seasons in contract years.

  91. ArmchairGM says:

    Eh Team: Even if the Oilers signed Larsson they wouldn’t protect him in an expansion draft ahead of Bear.

    Possibly, it’s hard to know how the organization will value these two men 1.5 years from now. In any case, the expansion draft means re-signing Larsson and Nuge a year early is a bad idea.

  92. SoCaloil says:

    I’m probably wrong here, but I thought the Benning injury was a result of a slap shot hitting his leg.
    I was watching the game on the IPAD…so maybe I saw wrong.

    Hope he’s ok

  93. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10: There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

    What you post above is the “fooled by statistics” Kool-Aid.

    Kassian had his two best and most disciplined seasons in contract years.

    What I posted is fact. You don’t have to like it, but it remains so.

  94. Andy Dufresne says:

    Cassandra: What part of it is utterly irrelevant whether he is outperforming his contract or not do you not understand.A contract of that value for a goalie of that age and track record is completely and totally without precedent.Koskinen could win every game for the rest of his life and it wouldn’t change a thing. The contract was, and is, absurd.

    Reasonable discourse requires some semblance of a shared language.You are being fundamentally unreasonable here.Is this a lack of intelligence on your part or simply ignorance.

    If anybody knows “utterly irrelevant” its my friend Sandy. 🙂

    Like I said earlier, opinions are like assholes, everbody has one.

    But you appear to have two. One at the bottom and one at the top. 🙂

    #ShitTalker

    You know who wins in this world everytime Sandy? Those who see value where others do not.

    So long Sister. ive gotta go pick the hair off moms soap before dad times me out. 🙂

  95. godot10 says:

    Rondo:
    Taylor Hall can’t buy a goal this year. He’s not the same player this year. Is this an aberration or is this the new Hall.

    He had a slow first month returning from a serious injury last year.

    I don’t see how the Oilers can afford him. Even if he comes back at a discount 3 years at $8.5 million (the Draisaitl cap), I don’t see how the Oilers can afford him, much less have the trade assets to compete with Colorado.

  96. Oilman99 says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not sure why anyone needs to eat crow. That was an awful, awful contract the day it was signed. We’re lucky the player made the contract look very good, but it was still a bad signing at the time.

    This may be the one FUBAR by Chiarelli that turns out to be good, kudos to Koskinen for all the repair work he did in the off season.

  97. godot10 says:

    slopitch:
    As fans we often develop favorites. One guy Im watching more lately is Patrick Russell. He seems to be in the right spot on the ice at all times.

    His puckiq player summary:
    Patrick Russell R
    Games Played: 23
    Total Min: 248.47
    TOI/Game: 10.80
    CompTOI%CF%CF60RCDFF%DFF60RCGF%
    All 100.047.50-3.4951.40-2.8950.00
    Elite 28.2 40.60-4.5537.50-7.3950.00
    Middle34.1 55.209.71 58.708.49 60.00
    Gritensity37.7 45.90-16.9556.20-11.9140.00

    Let’s be clear, he’s not a world beater and you’d like to see better numbers vs grits. And much of his value is on the PK. But he’s now had 31 shots now with no goals. Many of them decent quality. If the lightbulbs flicks like it did for Khaira a while ago we could be talking about this guy favorably. The next Pisani? Probably too high of a bar to hit. Russell will need to score eventually to make the grade. Until he does he’s a tweeer. But Im cheering for him.

    Through every level, Russell was a slow and steady improver. Holland made two bets for a medium term 4th line left wing. Archibald and Russell are competing for it right now. I wouldn’t bet against Russell.

  98. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Greenberg:
    So there’s kind words for Kassian and Koskinen this morning. Bad Bad Peter, thank you.

    Fuck him.

    *spits*

  99. Oilman99 says:

    godot10: He had a slow first month returning from a serious injury last year.

    I don’t see how the Oilers can afford him. Even if he comes back at a discount 3 years at $8.5 million (the Draisaitl cap), I don’t see how the Oilers can afford him, much less have the trade assets to compete with Colorado.

    There is no way you can have over a third of your cap space tied up in three players, and expect to ice a balanced enough team to compete for the cup.

  100. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    geowal: I think everyone is right here. He is outperforming his contract, so far, this season. If you said Mikko will “never ever be good” or “has no chance to be value” or other such hyperbole, then I heard crow is great deep fried.

    It was also a terrible contract, and firing Chiarelli for signing it remains justifiable when combined with his previous work. The market was the market, and Koskinen was not a high end RFA.

    As a side note, and there’s no way to prove this, I don’t think Koskinen looks nearly as good, to the point we’re talking about buyouts if McLellan is still the coach. This is due to all of Tippett’s D systems, his early goalie rotation, and overall team play especially PK improvement (some cred to Holland there)

    Thank you for lucidity and sanity.

  101. godot10 says:

    Profit:
    Pouzar,

    That’s actually weird. I bought a year-long sub as a gift for my father last year. Didn’t renew it (doing a different Christmas gift) and had cancelled his (still have mine). But after you said that I went and checked – got charged for the cancelled account. Wonder if they’re having some tech problems on the back end. I’ll write in and ask.

    Welcome the Hotel Athletica
    You can check in anytime you like, but you can never leave.

  102. ArmchairGM says:

    SoCaloil:
    I’m probably wrong here, but I thought the Benning injury was a result of a slap shot hitting his leg.
    I was watching the game on the IPAD…so maybe I saw wrong.

    Hope he’s ok

    He played after that shot hit him in the leg though.

  103. Andy Dufresne says:

    ArmchairGM: Possibly, it’s hard to know how the organization will value these two men 1.5 years from now. In any case, the expansion draft means re-signing Larsson and Nuge a year early is a bad idea.

    Agreed. We need to have a “working agreement” to let them go Free Agent all the while having an unwritten Memorandum of Understanding. Wink Wink Nudge Nudge.

    This shit happens all the time in the world of professional sports.

    #Kenny’sNoAngel

  104. geowal says:

    Andy Dufresne: Agreed.

    The rhetoric around the contract went hyperbolic in real time.

    But not one of the hyperbolizers had spent a single dollar on the transaction.

    Respectfully, can I ask how you know what he was or wasnt? Because someone who saw him play ALOT begged to differ and was happy to pay him $13.5m dollars. What? Hoping to getr lucky? If you beleive this then I just dont know what to tell you.

    We on websites somehow lose track / consciousness of what it takes to spend $13.5 and in some respect mortage the future of a $500m franchise.

    Can we not just acknowlege that someone did thier job and was more informed than we were?

    I like to constantly remind my piers, rich poeple dont get rich by giving their money away. That is just a fact. Use that fact as a starting point and work backwards from there.

    Now Ill shut up so you can get back to work. Diapers are expensive!

    Three quick things:
    -I’m not a goalie expert. But we can all see what all the other goalies are paid and what their performance is. As you’ve said, results matter, and his wasn’t there yet. The sample size wasn’t there, so Chia couldn’t have projected this (no baseline).
    -actual “hockey experts” universally disliked the signing from what I recall, and I put some credence in that.
    -the people who actually controlled the 500MM franchise (Bobby N and up), who are also quite invested in this, almost immediately disagreed with it and canned him. So the rich people were mad that their money was potentially being given away.
    Now back to work.

  105. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    be..imo..Definitely not the type of penalty that warrants a press box sitting for a player the calibre of Kassian

    Selfish penalties in the offensive zone that have nothing to do with the play in a tied game vs a division rival is *exactly* the type of penalty that warrants the press box if Kassian had been warned about his penalty rate.

    Especially when opposition scores on the ensuing PP, which VAN did to give them the early lead.

  106. Andy Dufresne says:

    godot10: Profit:
    Pouzar,

    That’s actually weird. I bought a year-long sub as a gift for my father last year. Didn’t renew it (doing a different Christmas gift) and had cancelled his (still have mine). But after you said that I went and checked – got charged for the cancelled account. Wonder if they’re having some tech problems on the back end. I’ll write in and ask.

    Welcome the Hotel Athletica
    You can check in anytime you like, but you can never leave.

    This same thing happened to me. Got the creidt card company involved to try and reverse the charges. Left it in thier hands to resolve. I think the credit card company filed a case and then just ended up eating the charge…..because unlike the aforementioned online company, the credit card compnay cared about retaining my business.

    Its a shame really, because i wouldnt mind being a subscriber today. But it somehow became a matter of principle for me.

    But hey. Business is Business. The online company is just doing what works for them given their systems.

    #ColumbiaRecordClub

  107. pts2pndr says:

    ArmchairGM: They *can* sign him, but they’ll then lose either him or Bear to Seattle (unless they only protect 4 forwards, which may not be a good idea either. Signing Larsson next summer (and, for that matter, Nuge) vastly increases the value of player which will be lost to Seattle.Trade protection has nothing to do with it.

    Good point. The Oilers are going to lose a good player regardless. They may have to entice Seattle with value added to take a player of The Oilers choosing.

  108. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    flyfish1168,

    Watching both games against the Canucks I felt it was apparent we have at least 5 players slower than the Canucks slowest player minus Erickson. Sheahan, Gagner, P. Russell, Neal and Chaisson are not fast enough I can’t see us getting better if we have to keep carrying this many slow players.

    I disagree that P.Russell is “Slow”

    He’s not a burner but he gets to a lot of pucks first and to his checks quickly.

    He and Haas together have:

    49% CF
    53% xGF
    50% GF

    That goes a looooong way to solving half the “bottom 6 are a black hole” issue.

  109. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Andy Dufresne,

    be..imo..Definitely not the type of penalty that warrants a press box sitting for a player the calibre of Kassian

    Selfish penalties in the offensive zone that have nothing to do with the play in a tied game vs a division rival is *exactly* the type of penalty that warrants the press box if Kassian had been warned about his penalty rate.

    Especially when opposition scores on the ensuing PP, which VAN did to give them the early lead.

    Benching one of your most effective players to “teach him a lesson” instead of calling him out in the locker room or video work at training is 100% old school Oilers. I don’t think Dave is like that.

  110. Eh Team says:

    ArmchairGM: Possibly, it’s hard to know how the organization will value these two men 1.5 years from now. In any case, the expansion draft means re-signing Larsson and Nuge a year early is a bad idea.

    It’s not that hard even if you think Larsson = Bear in ability. Bear will be on a value contract and Larsson will be paid market.

    With the current roster, the Oilers can just keep 8 players. They don’t have any forwards to keep other than McDavid, Draisatl and Nuge.

  111. Pouzar says:

    Kass hurt his back.

    What are you guys talkin bout?

  112. tileguy says:

    Golleee Andy, a little fiesta this morning, not to worry I agree with most of what I have u say, especially the pre-diposed comment.
    I sure hope there is none of that I’m going to punish you for taking bad penalties BS lest we have another Tmac Pouliot situation and Kassian looses his edge.
    Does anyone think that 97 and 29 were playing a little bit better defensively being split up?

  113. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Andy Dufresne,

    be..imo..Definitely not the type of penalty that warrants a press box sitting for a player the calibre of Kassian

    Selfish penalties in the offensive zone that have nothing to do with the play in a tied game vs a division rival is *exactly* the type of penalty that warrants the press box if Kassian had been warned about his penalty rate.

    Especially when opposition scores on the ensuing PP, which VAN did to give them the early lead.

    I get your logic.

    I beleive that “if Kassian had been warned about his penalty rate” is relevant in two ways for me.

    1) Coaches have a little more tolerance for players whose physicality brings more to the equation than it detracts

    and

    2) “if Kassian had been warned about his penalty rate” would have been evidenced by a benching for a shift or being pulled off the top line for a period, etc.

    This type “incremental punishment” makes much more sense to me, especially with a player who is firing on all cylinders. Tippetts a players Coach and a smart guy.

    Hey. We’re both still learning about Tippett. And its been very enjoyable auditing his class so far. 🙂

    Your a Dink and Im an Ahole. I get to have an opinion and you get to tell me to take a hike. 🙂

    Which Im ok with because a “hike” in the yard is just another opportunity to spread the rock chips. 🙂

    #Family

  114. Pouzar says:

    Strba to turd line. #Hynes

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    No surprise he either but both Lavoie and Rodrigue invited to the 31 person Team Canada camp.

  116. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pouzar:
    Kass hurt his back.

    What are you guys talkin bout?

    lol……….IDK……..Woodguy and LT think that Tippett punched Kassian in the back for taking a stupid penalty. 🙂

    Or something like that. haha

    #RobaxacetPlatinum

  117. BaltimoreOilers says:

    Cassandra: What about this don’t you understand?Are you being daft on purpose?

    Koskinen could have a 1.000% save percentage and it would still be a terrible contract to have signed because it was so, so, so, so, much higher than his established value.This is axiomatic.You don’t get to disagree.If you don’t agree it is only because you are incapable of understanding.

    Well put. I’m delighted that Koski has been lights out this season but that contract was questionable (term and AAV, small sample size) when signed, particularly with his then well-documented glove side issues.

  118. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne: So when we sign some other guy at “acknowledged” market value and he fails miserabley, we got unlucky? So all signings are just a matter of luck?

    In the business world and in the world of analytics “lucky” while considered (PDO etc) is not a determining charactheristc of decision making.

    Given this seasons performance and analytics, is Koskinen worth $4.5m. Yes or No?

    Because opinions are like assholes, we all have one.

    #ResultsMatter

    – [ ] Yes, IMO you can sign a player to a great contract and he gets hurt or falls off a cliff that no one could have reasonably predicted, or reasons we are not privy to, and it’s bad luck. If you generally sign guys to good contracts, things will work out generally. There’s always variance. Chia was fired one day after he signed Koskinen. And yes, I think Koskinen is full value for his contract right now

  119. LadiesloveSmid says:

    godot10: There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

    What you post above is the “fooled by statistics” Kool-Aid.

    Kassian had his two best and most disciplined seasons in contract years.

    I agree with you on Kass.

    I let him walk this summer, he’s not worth $3+M

  120. Little Johnny Frostbite says:

    “Human cheat code” is SO Lowetide, and I love it so much…I’m still laughing.

    🙂

  121. Andy Dufresne says:

    tileguy: Golleee Andy, a little fiesta this morning,

    Yeah….on the beach, sanding my boat, dropped my beer…..and well lets just say things got “Sandy” around here. All better now. Reds working the grille…..and it smells like sea bass and enchiladas 🙂

    #PacificHasNoMemory

  122. ArmchairGM says:

    Eh Team: It’s not that hard even if you think Larsson = Bear in ability.Bear will be on a value contract and Larsson will be paid market.

    With the current roster, the Oilers can just keep 8 players.They don’t have any forwards to keep other than McDavid, Draisatl and Nuge.

    18 months from now that might not be true.

    #thinkahead

  123. OilClog says:

    Nuge is the 3rd most important forward on this team and its not even close, Kassian has been playing very well yet Archibald was able to fill in for him admirably while the coach is left breaking up the Dynamic duo due to having absolutely no one available to him that can sniff the Nuges responsibility list.

    Resign Nuge as soon and for as long as possible, find another Maroon/Kassian fill in every other season. Rinse repeat.

    Kassian gets a 2yr contract for 3mil a season or cut ties. He’s doing great but his shelf life is quickly coming to view for his player type.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    AndyDufresne:
    Mikko Koskinen3 x $4.5m

    A Value Contract!!Who knew?

    Todays menu features Crow and Hat.

    Step right up folks there’s plenty for everyone. Dont be shy.

    I wrote a large crow post on here near the end of October 2018 which included crow on Koskinen.

    I would like to, once again, post the following:

    On December 1, 2018 Koskinen’s stats:

    12 games played
    save %: 0.928
    GAA: 2.15
    GSAA – plus 7.46

    Those numbers are also down from where they were in the weeks leading up.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, I think Koskinen has LOOKED like a much better tender this year – to my untrained eye, the most noticeable difference is his angles, being square to the shooter which wasn’t the case last year.

    Gregor interviewed Kevin Woodly near the end of October and wrote on it in his game notes prior to a game – Woodley identified 3-4 technical/structural chances that Koskinen has made that have led to his play.

    So, I’m optimistic this is the “real Koskinen”, however, that optimism must be cautious considering where we were at this time last year.

  125. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: – [ ] Yes, IMO you can sign a player to a great contract and he gets hurt or falls off a cliff that no one could have reasonably predicted, or reasons we are not privy to, and it’s bad luck. If you generally sign guys to good contracts, things will work out generally. There’s always variance. Chia was fired one day after he signed Koskinen. And yes, I think Koskinen is full value for his contract right now

    Good on you for being reasonable. I mean that.

    When you say ” I think Koskinen is full value for his contract right now”

    You do acknowledge that at least a couple of people, with the type of conviction that can only come with $13.5m outlay, thought “in real time” that Kosiken was full value for his contract at the time they signed it. Because this is a fact.

    We may not agree; We may not like it; we may even hate it. But the fact is, and this fact cannot be in dispute, they saw value where we did not. That is where they won. In that moment.

    We can re-write history as many times as we like. We can debate the details. But to the winners go the spoils.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV: I’m not sure why anyone needs to eat crow. That was an awful, awful contract the day it was signed. We’re lucky the player made the contract look very good, but it was still a bad signing at the time.

    I’ll have to agree with this – there was no reasonable comparable for that contract given his play to date when it was signed. There was also no need to sign him so early.

    A reasonable contract would have been in the $2.5M range for a couple of years.

    It may turn out to be a fine contract, hopefully, however, it still was egregiously high on AAV when it was signed.

  127. HT Joe says:

    Sorry for the off-topic question for the group, but this community has become my lifeline for learning about the nicer things in life, like BBQ, alcohols, and camping boxes.

    It seems like this community also includes a lot of audiophiles. Does anyone have any recommendations on a store in Edmonton that could put together a nice sound-system, built around a record player (but with potential to expand to other inputs)? Also, any recommendations on a good place to buy LPs would also be appreciated. Thank you all!

  128. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: I wrote a large crow post on here near the end of October 2018 which included crow on Koskinen.

    I would like to, once again, post the following:

    On December 1, 2018 Koskinen’s stats:

    12 games played
    save %:0.928
    GAA:2.15
    GSAA – 3.25

    Those numbers are also down from where they were in the weeks leading up.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, I think Koskinen has LOOKED like a much better tender this year – to my untrained eye, the most noticeable difference is his angles, being square to the shooter which wasn’t the case last year.

    Gregor interviewed Kevin Woodly near the end of October and wrote on it in his game notes prior to a game – Woodley identified 3-4 technical/structural chances that Koskinen has made that have led to his play.

    So, I’m optimistic this is the “real Koskinen”, however, that optimism must be cautious considering where we were at this time last year.

    You are a reasonable man.

    I would simply add, and this takes nothing away from your opinion or my opinion.

    The people who procured Kosknen did so with conviction. I woulld bet that they feel their conviction was well founded at the time and still do to this day.

    It may not be setteled science at this point. But credit where credit is due. You could argue that the credit is still somewhat outstanding and I would not take issue with that.

  129. Andy Dufresne says:

    HT Joe:
    Sorry for the off-topic question for the group, but this community has become my lifeline for learning about the nicer things in life, like BBQ, alcohols, and camping boxes.

    It seems like this community also includes a lot of audiophiles.Does anyone have any recommendations on a store in Edmonton that could put together a nice sound-system, built around a record player (but with potential to expand to other inputs)?Also, any recommendations on a good place to buy LPs would also be appreciated.Thank you all!

    If your ever in the neigbourhood, Stony Plain has a used record store called Classic Replay. Right on main street of Old Stony Plain.

    Fair Prices, Nice Selection, They have there grading system down to a T. Mint, Near Mint, Very Good, Good, Fair etc

    And, its attached to a Head Shop. so ….. “two birds with ones stoned” …kinda thing 🙂

    I know there are several Vinyl Record Stores in the City I just cant remember the adresses of the top off my head.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scott Wheeler is high on the two Oilers potentials:

    https://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/1201581027304579078

    If I had to build a roster from Team Canada’s camp group it’s probably:
    Lafreniere – Cozens – Lavoie
    Pelletier – Thomas – Perfetti
    McMichael – Byfield – Dudas
    Foote – Newook – Dellandrea
    Ex: Krebs

    Smith – JBD
    Harley – Byram
    McIsaac – Addison
    Ex: Drysdale

    Rodrigue
    Jones

  131. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’ll have to agree with this – there was no reasonable comparable for that contract given his play to date when it was signed.There was also no need to sign him so early.

    A reasonable contract would have been in the $2.5M range for a couple of years.

    It may turn out to be a fine contract, hopefully, however, it still was egregiously high on AAV when it was signed.

    That is one frame of refernce. Agreed.

    The other frame of reference asks, Were you there? Did you scout this player? Where you part of the discussions? Did you do the due diligence that is required around a $13.5m expenditure?

    Im not picking on you OP. I know you’re a good fan of the team. But these considerations are real.

    Does anyone remember Kurri’s name being attached to the Koskinen signing?

    Jari Kurri is currently General Manager of Finland’s national men’s hockey team – a position he inherited in 2004.

    “My main job is scouting (Finnish) players in the NHL, KHL, and other leagues,” says Kurri.

    The Finnish national team plays in four European tournaments a year against the national teams from Sweden, Czech, and Russia. They also invariably participate in the major international events like the IIHF World Championships and the Olympics. Since officially taking on the GM’s role, Kurri has guided Finland to two World Championship bronze medals, an Olympic silver, and an Olympic bronze.

  132. frjohnk says:

    geowal: He is outperforming his contract, so far, this season

    100% agree. How many goalies have better stats that Koskinen this year? How many are paid less/the same?

    geowal: It was also a terrible contract

    When signed.
    100% agree. Giving a goalie $4.5M over 3 years with a NMC after 27 games that season ( a save % of .911) and 31 games overall in his career was absolutely baffling. At the time, everybody but Koskinens agent thought it was an overpay ( Just do a search of his signing and see what everybody thought of it at the time) Koskinen end the season with a .906. Would anybody have signed him to that contract at the end of last year? I doubt it.

    Another way to put it is how many other goalies in the history of the NHL got 13.5M with a NMC with a 31 NHL game sample that was not exactly flattering? It was a huge risky bet.

    Chia was ill qualified to be the Oiler GM. Make no mistake, he had tremendous pressure to turn the team around but during his tenure he made numerous desperate moves. Majority of them failed, except for a few. The Koskinen signing is part of the few. The Koskinen signing was one of the risky bets that paid off. I guess when you make enough of them, some are bound to turn out good I guess.

    I love that Koskinen is playing well. As a fan Im very comfortable with him in net this year. If what we have seen since the start of the season is what we will get for the rest of the contract, the Oilers will be in great shape in goal for the near future.

  133. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Scott Wheeler is high on the two Oilers potentials:

    https://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/1201581027304579078

    If I had to build a roster from Team Canada’s camp group it’s probably:
    Lafreniere – Cozens – Lavoie
    Pelletier – Thomas – Perfetti
    McMichael – Byfield – Dudas
    Foote – Newook – Dellandrea
    Ex: Krebs

    Smith – JBD
    Harley – Byram
    McIsaac – Addison
    Ex: Drysdale

    Rodrigue
    Jones

    SWEET!

    Dont rush the kid…..but I cant wait for Lavoie to arrive 🙂

    If Rodrique hits as well, well thats two holes filled with 2 to go AND, we would no longer need to debate the Koskinen contract. 🙂

  134. HT Joe says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Thanks Andy!! I’ll take the car out to Stony Plain when I get a free moment. Take care!!

  135. Bag of Pucks says:

    29 games into a 3 year contract is a tad premature to be trumpeting the final return on investment.

    Small sample size much.

  136. Bad Seed says:

    HT Joe,

    I’d go see Simon at Audio Ark. Blackbyrd on Whyte Ave is great for albums.

  137. stephen sheps says:

    HT Joe:
    Sorry for the off-topic question for the group, but this community has become my lifeline for learning about the nicer things in life, like BBQ, alcohols, and camping boxes.

    It seems like this community also includes a lot of audiophiles.Does anyone have any recommendations on a store in Edmonton that could put together a nice sound-system, built around a record player (but with potential to expand to other inputs)?Also, any recommendations on a good place to buy LPs would also be appreciated.Thank you all!

    this is the store for you. kills two birds with one stone:
    https://listenrecords.net/

  138. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    flyfish1168,

    Watching both games against the Canucks I felt it was apparent we have at least 5 players slower than the Canucks slowest player minus Erickson. Sheahan, Gagner, P. Russell, Neal and Chaisson are not fast enough I can’t see us getting better if we have to keep carrying this many slow players.

    I disagree that P.Russell is “Slow”

    He’s not a burner but he gets to a lot of pucks first and to his checks quickly.

    He and Haas together have:

    49% CF
    53% xGF
    50% GF

    That goes a looooong way to solving half the “bottom 6 are a black hole”issue.

    I agree with you there. He doesn’t have the acceleration or quick getup and go 1st step. I do believe he has excellent positioning and awareness of where to be to win puck battles. Watching the Nucks they have many players with excellent 1st step acceleration. Of course this is all by eye.

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: We should not be talking about re-signing him in the summer – that expansion draft protected slot is way too valuable. If we sign Larsson next summer we’ll lose Bear to Seattle. Not a good move.

    They don’t have to protect him though – would Seattle likely take him? Maybe I suppose.

  140. Bad Seed says:

    Listen is a good option – he may suggest you go up the street to buy a turntable from Simon as they are friends. Simon knows his stuff more than just about anyone else in the city.

  141. flyfish1168 says:

    Andy Dufresne: That is one frame of refernce. Agreed.

    The other frame of reference asks, Were you there? Did you scout this player? Where you part of the discussions? Did you do the due diligence that is required around a $13.5m expenditure?

    Im not picking on you OP. I know you’re a good fan of the team. But these considerations are real.

    Does anyone remember Kurri’s name being attached to the Koskinen signing?

    Jari Kurri is currently General Manager of Finland’s national men’s hockey team – a position he inherited in 2004.

    “My main job is scouting (Finnish) players in the NHL, KHL, and other leagues,” says Kurri.

    The Finnish national team plays in four European tournaments a year against the national teams from Sweden, Czech, and Russia.They also invariably participate in the major international events like the IIHF World Championships and the Olympics. Since officially taking on the GM’s role, Kurri has guided Finland to two World Championship bronze medals, an Olympic silver, and an Olympic bronze.

    My all time favorite Oiler and player

  142. Bag of Pucks says:

    There seems to be a movement afoot of late to recast the Chiarelli tenure in a less mediocre light.

    In related news, there are a lot of folks who go out of their way to tell me that Trump is doing a great job.

    Do we have an updated ETA as yet on the Prison Planet construction and the Offworld Catapult?

  143. meanashell11 says:

    Sorry if I missed it but for the LT Dictionary we need to add “Donner Party”.

  144. Bag of Pucks says:

    Record Collectors Paradise is well worth checking out if you’re in the hunt for classic vinyl too. They also have vintage gear and collectibles as well. Friendly staff too.

  145. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – There weren’t any starting goalies available in the NHL that the Oil could have signed

    – Koski was playing very well when he was signed

    – He’s the 20th highest paid G in the league

    – Talbot is getting paid $2.8MM as a back-up. Goalies are expensive

    – The timing of the signing of Koskinen was certainly weird from all sorts of reasons

    – Koskinen has been playing for a longer stretch what when he did last year for a stretch

    – Tell me which goalie we should have signed instead, for how much?

    – I think it was a good call to sign Koski: the perceived “premium” represents playing in Edmonton, lack of alternatives, and trying to to provide some stability: a back-up who was outperforming his 1 year contract by a wide margin, and could go anywhere for nothing.

    – Wished it was for less years when it happened, now maybe lucky its for 3: structurally it’s easy to see it as an overpay.

    – Just a final thought: let’s say another team thought he was a starting goalie, and offered 3 years x something, and Koski’s agent lets team know that if we don’t get an offer by the deadline, he’s looking elsewhere, as one of the best back-ups in the league, playing for a team that is sh$t.

    – Sure be a stud, have him walk: then what?

    – Anyway, Koski is a starting goalie, excelling behind a good team, on a below average contract.

  146. frjohnk says:

    Bag of Pucks: There seems to be a movement afoot of late to recast the Chiarelli tenure in a less mediocre light.

    I think we have to acknowledge that Chiarelli did make some good moves.

    But then so did Mike Milbury.

  147. Bag of Pucks says:

    flyfish1168,

    The ultimate low maintenance player and one of the most underrated two way forwards in NHL history.

    His photo should be in the dictionary under “one timer.”

  148. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    29 games into a 3 year contract is a tad premature to be trumpeting the final return on investment.

    Small sample size much.

    I think we both agree, with family if you’re gonna dish, you gotta be prepared to receive. 🙂

    ” You could argue that the credit is still somewhat outstanding and I would not take issue with that.”

    Read for comprehension much 🙂

  149. Aron_S says:

    I saw a handful of others mention this, so just in case this happened to anyone else, I thought I’d throw in my resolution re: the Athletic cancelled subscription being re-billed.

    This happened to me as well as I first signed up when it was still on the US billing system. I have since re-subscribed as a Canadian payment plan. Unfortunately it took them weeks and multiple emails to get back to me, but they did finally refund my card for their initial error/charge. Unfortunately I was still shorted a few dollars because of the US exchange rate and credit cards, but if you’re persistent they will eventually get you your money back.

    For those who aren’t subscribers, it’s still an excellent product and worth signing up to support our excellent local writers and their coverage. A minor headache in the grand scheme.

  150. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    meanashell11,

    – I meant to ask the other day: you worked at some really top-notch i-banks: what a collection.

    – And now you have your own “shingle” : how did you get to where you are?

    – It’s ok if you don’t want to share: I just haven’t met many who worked at all those places

  151. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bag of Pucks: There seems to be a movement afoot of late to recast the Chiarelli tenure in a less mediocre light.

    The further away you get from a trauma scene, the easier it is to process 🙂

  152. Andy Dufresne says:

    Aron_S: For those who aren’t subscribers, it’s still an excellent product and worth signing up to support our excellent local writers and their coverage. A minor headache in the grand scheme.

    +!

  153. Bag of Pucks says:

    frjohnk: I think we have to acknowledge that Chiarelli did make some good moves.

    But then so did Mike Milbury.

    His biggest failing imo was not seeing the league trend towards youth and speed. Larsson, Lucic, Reinhart. That’s a GM wanting to play heavy hockey.

    He also got saddled with an HC he didn’t pick. That probably didn’t help.

    And he was a poor negotiator. The only value deals he has are ones where the player has grossly exceeded expectations post signing. Handed out NMCs like they were Halloween candies.

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    We may be ahead of the Canucks in the standings but my takeaway from both games combined is that the Canucks are a better team. They outplayed the Oilers for most of those two games. The Oilers now are coasting playing 500 hockey after a great start to the season.Our only hope is that Holland can add a bit through call ups and a trade.If not I feel we will limp into the end of the season.

    If they are such a better team than why (a) have they lost to the Oilers twice and (b) are they 7 points behind in the standings?

    Leon and Connor are “part of the team”. Mikko is “part of the team”.

  155. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bag of Pucks: His biggest failing imo was not seeing the league trend towards youth and speed. Larsson, Lucic, Reinhart. That’s a GM wanting to play heavy hockey.

    He also got saddled with an HC he didn’t pick. That probably didn’t help.

    And he was a poor negotiator. The only value deals he has are ones where the player has grossly exceeded expectations postsigning. Handed out NMCs like they were Halloween candies.

    If I remember correctly ….You were a harsh critic of Chiarelli in real time. I was a supporter of Chiarelli in real time ( a critic on several specifics… but a supporter in general)

    You were right. I was wrong.

    #WayWrong

  156. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    They are a better team
    But we have McJesus and DraiJesus

  157. Shane says:

    HT Joe,

    Hey Joe,

    Freecloud Records on 101st across from Vic Comp is great too(owner Rich from Mad Bomber Society) and Blackbyrd on Whyte as Bad Seed mentioned(there’s one in Calgary too). As far as systems go I’m an audio engineer and live tech so I usually just get my stuff from Long and Maquade i.e I have my turntable hooked up to some old studio monitors. Audio-Technica is a pro audio gear company that’s making some really nice record players right now.

  158. Andy Dufresne says:

    SoCaloil:
    Apparently Kassian had back spasms.
    He was not benched.

    Kassian’s penalty wasn’t that bad..a well deserved 2 minutes.
    “You go to the box…and you feel shame”

    Granlund’s goalie interference was far worse. IMO.
    Combined, two unnecessary Ozone penalties in the first period.

    The fact that Granlund played and Kass didn’t, is proof to me that it was a physical ailment that prevented him from playing.

    Now Loui Eriksson……thank you….and enjoy your $6 million popcorn next week.
    Not something you expect from a veteran.He should be scratched.

    +! I like the cut of your gib man!

    #AndTheEvidenceMounts

  159. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Andy Dufresne,

    – Chia got fired for cause. You can’t be GM for 4 years and make playoffs once when having no budget constraints and CmD

    – I was one of Chia’s biggest supporters: I didn’t need to go down the ship with him but I did: I’m such a stubborn scottish mofo sometimes…

    Some of the lessons learned from Chia’s regime haven’t been repeated, and that has helped:

    1) New GM doesn’t have a wine club, or factions on the payroll with legacy connections that are running a parallel campaign, and no Bob apparently

    2) New GM got to hire his coach, and they are on same page philosophically.

    3) They kept some of the good pieces from the old regime (players/coaching /management), while getting rid of others, and bringing in some new voices (none related to OBC to boot!)

    4) The heavy lifting and/or damage from previous regime has resulted in only one significant trade which has been a godsend: Neal for Lucic

    GOILERS!!!

  160. v4ance says:

    Guy has $1300 and needs to pay off his rent. He goes and spends that $1300 on Lotto Max tickets. and wins $2000 on Lotto Max.

    Peter Chiarelli pipes up ” Hey guys! I Koskinen’ed it! Here’s the rent!”

    Just cause someone makes a stupid bet that works out doesn’t nullify that it was a stupid bet.

    ***

    I seem to remember a couple of players who had really good years alongside Gretzky and Kurri. Can’t remember any names specifically but I’m sure like Kassian, they’ll be worth the contracts… ((sarcasm alert))

  161. Bag of Pucks says:

    Andy Dufresne: If I remember correctly ….You were a harsh critic of Chiarelli in real time. I was a supporter of Chiarelli in real time ( a critic on several specifics… but a supporter in general)

    You were right. I was wrong.

    #WayWrong

    I wasn’t his harshest crtic by any means. Some have even suggested I was a Chiarelli apologist. Reason being, I didn’t feel he had full autonomy from the Red Wine Cabal. Lots of interference, backbiting, and media leaks in that regime.

    Scuttlebutt is Holland wouldn’t take the job without full autonomy. That’s massive progress for this org if true.

  162. Andy Dufresne says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    They are a better team
    But we have McJesus and DraiJesus

    And Kosinen…dont forget Koskinen…….kidding 🙂

    But he did outplay Markstrom last night. And Markstrom is GOOD.

    But hey…. Markstrom was signed to a 3 x 3.66m deal as an unproven starter at age 27 ….who does that?

    OK….Im reaching now……time to go catch some fish!

    Adios Amigos.

    See yall Wednesday.

  163. HT Joe says:

    Hi Bad Seed, Stephen Sheps, Bag of Pucks, and Shane: thanks for the suggestions!!

  164. Darth Tu says:

    Any news on the old Nugent Hopkins and that “some time next week” return? I’m looking forward to him getting back in the lineup.

  165. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: If they are such a better team than why (a) have they lost to the Oilers twice and (b) are they 7 points behind in the standings?

    Leon and Connor are “part of the team”. Mikko is “part of the team”.

    Your claim requires context.

    In the three games played…

    Vancouver outscored the Oilers 9-8

    Vancouver outshot the Oilers 103-90

    The Canucks last night were playing their first home game in two weeks after a six game Eastern road trip and on a back to back to boot.

    They were also missing their #1D, #3C, #4C, in Sutter and Beagle as well as Roussel, Ferland and Tyler Motte.

    Effectively they were without five players from their bottom six and both their normal PK units.

    This is much closer than the standings would indicate.

  166. PennersPancakes says:

    Harpers Hair,

    You can split the goals any way you want it but… wait, you cant? Huh weird. Huh guess its still 2 to 1 then.

    Way to casually leave out the fact the Oilers were on a back to back too, happens when both teams play each other twice in a row. Saturdays game was the Oilers first home game after a 5 game road trip as well.

    Oh they have injury problems? Sort of like Nuge, Kassian, and Russell being out for the game and Benning getting hurt mid game?

    Whats the Canucks point % sir?

  167. Harpers Hair says:

    PennersPancakes:
    Harpers Hair,

    You can split the goals any way you want it but… wait, you cant? Huh weird. Huh guess its still 2 to 1 then.

    Way to casually leave out the fact the Oilers were on a back to back too, happens when both teams play each other twice in a row. Saturdays game was the Oilers first home game after a 5 game road trip as well.

    Oh they have injury problems? Sort of like Nuge, Kassian, and Russell being out for the game and Benning getting hurt mid game?

    Whats the Canucks point % sir?

    I guess you have problems with math and air miles.

    I’ll leave it at that.

  168. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The thing about Kassian for me is he gets his role and he isn’t selective about playing it.

    He isn’t a top 6 winger, but he’s keeping up and producing enough. Many haven’t.

    It’s answering bell that does it for me. Nobody has a free pass to whomever he plays with. Lucic may be tougher, but he isn’t often willing to do what he is hired for.

    Zach doesn’t need a tap on the back. More likely to need restraining. I think that means a lot to Connor and even Leo. Even though Connor is getting hacked to pieces. At least they aren’t face washing him and trying to lick his face.

    When he loses the first line if he can play on a defensive line and go after the other team’s skill if they start it, he’s still useful.

    To me resigning him means he needs to carry some sort of weight. He’ll be too expensive to play an ‘energy’ only role.

  169. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: Your claim requires context.

    In the three games played…

    Vancouver outscored the Oilers 9-8

    Vancouver outshot the Oilers 103-90

    The Canucks last night were playing their first home game in two weeks after a sixgame Eastern road trip and on a back to back to boot.

    They were also missing their #1D, #3C, #4C, in Sutter and Beagle as well as Roussel, Ferland and Tyler Motte.

    Effectively they were without five players from their bottom six and both their normal PK units.

    This is much closer than the standings would indicate.

    The Dys are back. Get your riot gear ready.

  170. PennersPancakes says:

    Harpers Hair: I guess you have problems with math and air miles.

    I’ll leave it at that.

    Wow. Great refute, might as well try to insult someone instead haha.

    Yes Pittsburgh to Edmonton is a longer flight than Denver to Edmonton. Im sure the two days in between games evened it out for everyone? Unless youre saying the Oilers had a clear advantage due to the extra ??? miles they traveled over 6 games compared to the miles the Oilers traveled over 5 games?

  171. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: Your claim requires context.

    In the three games played…

    Vancouver outscored the Oilers 9-8

    Vancouver outshot the Oilers 103-90

    The Canucks last night were playing their first home game in two weeks after a sixgame Eastern road trip and on a back to back to boot.

    They were also missing their #1D, #3C, #4C, in Sutter and Beagle as well as Roussel, Ferland and Tyler Motte.

    Effectively they were without five players from their bottom six and both their normal PK units.

    This is much closer than the standings would indicate.

    They’ve got some nice pieces now, especially Pete.

    I think they’re soon trouble on D . Hughes will produce points and maybe be 2 way.

    Outside of that their best D are at the precipice, be it decline, injuries or both. Juolevi might be good. Still a couple short moving forward. I’d rather have the Oilers situation.

  172. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    In the 3 games they’ve played the Oil have played the Canucks starter 3 times including b2b
    The Canucks have faced the Oil starter once
    Objects in mirror are further than they appear

  173. meanashell11 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    meanashell11,

    – I meant to ask the other day: you worked at some really top-notch i-banks: what a collection.

    – And now you have your own “shingle” : how did you get to where you are?

    – It’s ok if you don’t want to share: I just haven’t met many who worked at all those places

    Well I learned a few things over the years:

    1. At GS they teach the 3 C’s. Everyone you meet in the business is one of 3 C’s, a client, a competitor, or a colleague. Over time your relationship with a person will probably change, a client becomes a competitor, a colleague a client. Treat everyone you interact with with respect and honesty. You do that and you will have a long and lucrative career.

    2. When you change shops you can only take two things with you, your tool box (the skills you have learned while there) and your relationships. Never stop learning and never stop helping others, always work on strengthening both and you will have a long and lucrative career.

    3. The business is a mercenary business. The firm does not really care about you, they care about covering their backsides and how much money you can make for them. Opportunities will arise, take advantage of them, you do not owe your current firm a thing.

    Finally, probable deniability. At some point you will fuck up. You will lose money or break the law. Always ensure you have plausible deniability. A patsy if you will who you can throw under the wheels of the bus when needed.

    I’m just joking about the last one!

  174. Darth Tu says:

    Harpers Hair: Your claim requires context.

    In the three games played…

    Vancouver outscored the Oilers 9-8

    Vancouver outshot the Oilers 103-90

    The Canucks last night were playing their first home game in two weeks after a sixgame Eastern road trip and on a back to back to boot.

    They were also missing their #1D, #3C, #4C, in Sutter and Beagle as well as Roussel, Ferland and Tyler Motte.

    Effectively they were without five players from their bottom six and both their normal PK units.

    This is much closer than the standings would indicate.

    I’m always wary when using shots on goal as a stat to indicate that one team has outplayed another team. Using the 2018-19 season as an example, the team with the most shots on goal in the league was Carolina (2822). They ranked 16th in goals scored (243). Tampa, the top scoring team in the league (319), ranked 14th in total shots on goal (2620).

    I’m also wary when using total goals for and against for similar reasons. All sorts of crap gets in the way such as empty net goals (e.g. if the Oilers had popped an EN last night when they had the chance it would be equal in goals for and against), score effects etc.

    Both teams can play the road trip/injured or missing players card. Those points are moot.

    All of that said, the season series stands at 2-1 to the Oilers

    Vancouver are looking pretty good, I’ll admit that, some great attacking players in that lineup. I’ll never be a Canucks fan, but I’d still rather see them do well than the Flames or the Maple Leafs. They’re definitely in a good spot moving forward, they just need to get rid of Eriksson to free up some more cap space and they’ll be golden.

  175. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    meanashell11,

    – Ha! I worked at “tier-2” I-Banks, both here in Canada and the UK. I always marveled at the GS bankers in particular: they had something.

    Interviewed with them once (after our firm beat them for a deal): they kept it classy, even after we all realized I wasn’t going to be their next mid-career hire. They were just pumping me for details on how we won in hindsight. Still I felt big-time!

    – What a collection of places you’ve been…Thanks for the reply. Capital Markets is a brutal cut-throat business, but you know that better than I.

  176. Reja says:

    Cassandra: What about this don’t you understand?Are you being daft on purpose?

    Koskinen could have a 1.000% save percentage and it would still be a terrible contract to have signed because it was so, so, so, so, much higher than his established value.This is axiomatic.You don’t get to disagree.If you don’t agree it is only because you are incapable of understanding.

    I got more faith in Jari Kurri’s scouting report on Kosh than a cry baby anti Oiler hater.

  177. TheOrangeDesk says:

    HT Joe,

    I know, its home theatre, but the below link is a a good guide on home audio.. I have the fluance speakers and I LOVE them. you may need a pre-amp for your turn-table depending on when it was made.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Zeos/comments/5zt8mw/guide_surround_sound_51/

  178. meanashell11 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    meanashell11,

    – Ha!I worked at “tier-2” I-Banks, both here in Canada and the UK.I always marveled at the GS bankers in particular: they had something.

    Interviewed with them once (after our firm beat them for a deal): they kept it classy, even after we all realized I wasn’t going to be their next mid-career hire.They were just pumping me for details on how we won in hindsight.Still I felt big-time!

    – What a collection of places you’ve been…Thanks for the reply.Capital Markets is a brutal cut-throat business, but you know that better than I.

    The best thing about Goldman was not what you learned but the connections you can make. To this day when trying to land an engagement I can tell a company to call so and so, ex GS partner as a reference.

    The thing I am most proud about my time at GS was the people I helped hire. Some went on to have incredible careers and I am happy I could help them when they were graduating. I still guest lecture at Molson School and Columbia in the MBA programs. I love talking to young kids who are looking for guidance and help.

    It is sort of like that scene in the Godfather when the guy asks Don Corleone a favor on his daughters wedding day. I will grant you this favor but someday if I come to you for a favor, can I know you will grant me one. Or something like that!

    At DB it was the people, what great people to work with. Everyone was blue chip. My favorite question to win business was “what keeps you awake at night”. Our job was to be creative and structure solutions to investor’s problems. What I learned there was incredible.

    At UBS it was all about following the rules. The Swiss are very serious about the rules and in 2008 all that came back to help us.

    At Merrill it was about composure under incredible stress. As the bank was going down and BoA was stepping in to buy us everyone just focused on the job. It was amazing. I remember when LEH went down, I was so busy. At the end of the week I finally came up for air and my wife asked me to explain what was going on in the world and I told her the financial system could actually collapse and we would be going back to barter. It felt like that. Turned out the world did not end but it felt like it could.

    By the way, I would highly recommend the movie Margin Call for anyone interested in those dark days in 2008.

  179. Yeti says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    https://twitter.com/joelsavvi/status/1201336673600069632?s=21

    Interesting find on the Liiga statistics page. Apparently they track player skating speed and distance traveled per period.

    Fastest rookie and 3rd fastest overall in the Liiga just happens to be Oilers Prospect, Patrik Siikanen. He apparently clocks in at 39.64 KM

    I find this strange because the main knock on Siikanen was – and continues to be – his skating. Scouting reports from less than a year ago say his top speed is ok (not great) but he suffers from poor acceleration and overall mobility. It’s curious that he would now be seen as a speedster – perhaps he has really improved?!

    https://finnprospects.com/player/patrik-siikanen/

  180. v4ance says:

    Prashanth Iyer @iyer_prashanth

    This Babcock stuff is ridiculous. To recap:

    – Babcock verbally assaults Franzen
    – Wings veterans reportedly approach Holland asking for Babcock to be fired
    – Holland’s response is to protect Babcock and tells players that they can request a trade if they don’t like it

    Chris Chelios tells about Babcock’s abusive behaviour:
    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/chelios-babcocks-treatment-veteran-players-coming-back-haunt/

    Babcock made Modano a healthy scratch late in 2011 — the final season of his NHL career and his only campaign with the Red Wings, leaving the now-Hall of Famer stuck at 1,499 career games played. Earlier this season, Babcock’s decision to scratch Spezza in the Maple Leafs’ season-opener against his old club, the Ottawa Senators, was also widely criticized.

    “He tried to healthy scratch me in the outdoor game in Wrigley Field against Chicago because he knew it was my hometown — just things that were so unnecessary, to show he’s the boss, to show his general manager he’s the boss,” Chelios said. “That’s he’s on a power thing, his ego — that’s a big part of his personality.”

    I know the Oilers are successful right now but there will be questions asked about winning at all costs. Does winning the Cup justify backing a coach who pushes the players via extreme psychological tactics; almost abusive tactics? Holland’s hands aren’t clean in this….

  181. Rondo says:

    Mark Messier: Leadership, personal growth, and performing under pressure by Peter Attia

    https://peterattiamd.com/markmessier/

    In this episode, Mark Messier, six-time Stanley Cup champion, shares the most valuable lessons he picked up over 25+ years of professional hockey resulting in one of the longest and most decorated careers in hockey history. Mark shares what lead to his unique brand of humble leadership, how he was able to get talented individuals to effectively work as a team, the importance of maturing and evolving as a person, and how he was able to stay calm and perform at his best under enormous amounts of pressure. Additionally, we go through his favorite moments as a player, what it was like playing with and learning from The Great One, Wayne Gretzky, and much more.

  182. LadiesloveSmid says:

    How in the world do the canucks have 30 more PPs than the oilers?

    Even they’re getting more respect from officials? Wtf?

  183. New Improved Darkness says:

    Finally we have our own tuning-fork tandem on the PP to pee-emp the harrowing potboiler of ticky tacky phone-booth whizzardry and to carve out a shiny new bottom-line in the blue snow with a couple of instant-mustard frozen ropes of the zipless untuck.

    ———

    Fear of Flying (1973) by Erica Jong:

    There were 117 psychoanalysts on the Pan Am flight to Vienna and I’d been treated by at least six of them.

    One suspects that none of these couch-roadies were flying coach. No coach for you. The largest Concorde used to seat 128. Perhaps they sneaked one flight into VIE during the grand finale of the 1812 Overture at the Musikverein concert hall.

    [*] Percussionists are notoriously versatile, but even for a percussionist used to clanging every damn thing, it’s an unusual day at the opera house to tuck a LORAN transmitter under her drum kit in order to coordinate a canon-mark sonic boom—this particular chapter in the legendary acoustics of Musikverein could be heard all the way back to New York.

    Jong goes on to explain that it is “zipless” because “when you came together, zippers fell away like rose petals, underwear blew off in one breath like dandelion fluff.”

    ———

    With enough rose petals, who even needs zippers?

    Examining American Beauty at 15: A masterpiece, or a farce? — September 2014

    Some of it may be unintentional: The dialogue, for example, is often weirdly stilted. Ball’s teenagers aren’t as hyperverbal as those on Dawson’s Creek, but they also don’t sound like normal teenagers. They speak the way adults think infantile teenagers speak. (Think of Angela’s taunts: “You total slut, you have a crush on him. You’re defending him, you love him, you wanna have, like, 10,000 of his babies.”)

    12 Spectacular Facts About American Beauty — March 2016

    When asked about how he managed to capture American high schoolers so authentically by Ideas at the House, Ball remembered, “I have to say, I went to see a U2 concert right after I moved to Los Angeles and there was a girl in the row in front of me and she stood up on her chair and went, ‘Oh my god, Edge I love you! I want to have 10,000 of your babies!'”

    In my experience, woke-generation revisionists of the zipless zinger have no eye for authentic dandelion fluff, whatsoever.

    ———

    Turns out, the bare midriff on the famous poster belongs to Chloe Hunter, not Mena Suvari; a not-precisely-twins buffet of buff-A and buff-A1 steak-sauce Svengalis.

  184. Pouzar says:

    v4ance: Babcock verbally assaults Franzen

    Chris Peters‏
    Verified account
    @chrismpeters

    Chris Peters Retweeted SportExpressen
    Johan Franzen confirms the story Chris Chelios told on Spittin’ Chiclets, says it’s only the tip of the iceberg.

  185. Reja says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    How in the world do the canucks have 30 more PPs than the oilers?

    Even they’re getting more respect from officials? Wtf?

    Because they’re weaker then the Oilers, Leon and Connor fight through checks that could be called penalties but aren’t at least half-dozen times a game.Canucks flop like Soccer players every game it’s sickening to witness. They will get ousted so easily in the playoffs because this strategy will not work Exhibit A Little-Johnny. Bring up Yamo to be a professional flopper like half of the Canuck forwards.

  186. godot10 says:

    meanashell11: Well I learned a few things over the years:

    1. At GS they teach the 3 C’s. Everyone you meet in the business is one of 3 C’s, a client, a competitor, or a colleague. Over time your relationship with a person will probably change, a client becomes a competitor, a colleague a client. Treat everyone you interact with with respect and honesty. You do that and you will have a long and lucrative career.

    2. When you change shops you can only take two things with you, your tool box (the skills you have learned while there) and your relationships. Never stop learning and never stop helping others, always work on strengthening both and you will have a long and lucrative career.

    3. The business is a mercenary business. The firm does not really care about you, they care about covering their backsides and how much money you can make for them. Opportunities will arise, take advantage of them, you do not owe your current firm a thing.

    Finally, probable deniability. At some point you will fuck up. You will lose money or break the law. Always ensure you have plausible deniability. A patsy if you will who you can throw under the wheels of the bus when needed.

    I’m just joking about the last one!

    As for plausible deniabilitiy. You/GS know the housing/mortgage bubble in the US is going to crash the global economy. So you send your CEO to the government to become the Treasury Secretary. When the SHTF and the world is ending, then you have your former CEO there to make sure you get paid 100% on the dollar (with public money) when GS’s counterparty for the hedging on bad mortgage CDO’s, AIG, goes bellly up.

    i.e. I don’t believe you are joking on the last one.

    Paulson was also in the room when the powers-that-be decide not to bail out Lehman. So provoking the crisis actually had the ancillary benefit of bankrupting several of GS’s major competitors.

    Or as Rahm Emmanuel once said. Never let a crisis go to waste.

  187. Reja says:

    Pouzar: Chris Peters‏
    Verified account
    @chrismpeters

    Chris Peters Retweeted SportExpressen
    Johan Franzen confirms the story Chris Chelios told on Spittin’ Chiclets, says it’s only the tip of the iceberg.

    Never liked Babcock after playing the most boring trap hockey ever witnessed in the Olympics. But for heaven’s sake Babcock is not the first coach to rip on a players. I knew this would open up a can of worms there’s going to be a mad Gold Rush of ex-players looking to score in while the iron is still hot.

  188. godot10 says:

    meanashell11:

    By the way, I would highly recommend the movie Margin Call for anyone interested in those dark days in 2008.

    The “money” clip:

    https://youtu.be/UOYi4NzxlhE?t=86

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag14Ao_xO4c

  189. Cassandra says:

    Reja: Never liked Babcock after playing the most boring trap hockey ever witnessed in the Olympics. But for heaven’s sake Babcock is not the first coach to rip on a players.I knew this would open up a can of worms there’s going to be a mad Gold Rush of ex-players looking to score in while the iron is still hot.

    Why am I not surprised that you have this opinion? People who have worthless opinions in one area (hockey) are worthless in another (moral judgement).

    This story isn’t going away. The Swift Current Broncos have just fired their head trainer.

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/jamie-leblanc-swift-current-broncos-trainer-fired-1.5381448

  190. Cassandra says:

    There are so, so, so, many players that hate Babcock that there is no way there isn’t something to there stories. That this was treated as normal, and is continued to be treated as normal by people like Reja is a problem. That’s a simple fact for which there is no other side to be on.

    This doesn’t have anything to do with other trends in society and to conflate the issues is to provide cover for people who don’t deserve it.

  191. leadfarmer says:

    Cassandra,

    Seems like this whole thing is going to take down some big names on top of the guys already
    Hockey’s version of the me 2 movement
    Some people just don’t do well in a position of power And will abuse it

  192. drglen says:

    v4ance:
    Prashanth Iyer @iyer_prashanth

    This Babcock stuff is ridiculous. To recap:


    – Babcock verbally assaults Franzen
    – Wings veterans reportedly approach Holland asking for Babcock to be fired
    – Holland’s response is to protect Babcock and tells players that they can request a trade if they don’t like it

    Chris Chelios tells about Babcock’s abusive behaviour:
    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/chelios-babcocks-treatment-veteran-players-coming-back-haunt/

    Babcock made Modano a healthy scratch late in 2011 — the final season of his NHL career and his only campaign with the Red Wings, leaving the now-Hall of Famer stuck at 1,499 career games played. Earlier this season, Babcock’s decision to scratch Spezza in the Maple Leafs’ season-opener against his old club, the Ottawa Senators, was also widely criticized.


    “He tried to healthy scratch me in the outdoor game in Wrigley Field against Chicago because he knew it was my hometown — just things that were so unnecessary, to show he’s the boss, to show his general manager he’s the boss,” Chelios said. “That’s he’s on a power thing, his ego — that’s a big part of his personality.”

    I know the Oilers are successful right now but there will be questions asked about winning at all costs.Does winning the Cup justify backing a coach who pushes the players via extreme psychological tactics; almost abusive tactics?Holland’s hands aren’t clean in this….

    ya I just read this when I got home, I wondered if someone would pick up on it. Sounds like Mr. Holland is not blameless here.. .. put in a difficult situation.. probably wishes he’d been able to handle it differently.

  193. Reja says:

    Cassandra: Why am I not surprised that you have this opinion?People who have worthless opinions in one area (hockey) are worthless in another (moral judgement).

    This story isn’t going away.The Swift Current Broncos have just fired their head trainer.

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/jamie-leblanc-swift-current-broncos-trainer-fired-1.5381448

    Give it a couple of months everyone will be sick of hearing of players that clashed with coaches and GM’s while making a sick amount of cash and almost as important as the fame.This is a golden opportunity for certain folks to be cast into the spotlight once again.

  194. v4ance says:

    https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2019/12/02/detroit-red-wings-johan-franzen-mike-babcock-worst-person/2590915001/

    “In an interview with Expressen, Franzen described Babcock as a great coach, “but he’s a terrible person, the worst I ever met. He’s a bully who was attacking people. It could be a cleaner at the arena in Detroit or anybody. He would lay into people without any reason.”

    Chelios: “Some of the things he (Babcock) said to him (Franzen) on the bench, I don’t know what he said to him behind closed doors one-on-one, but he blatantly verbally assaulted him during the game on the bench,” Chelios said. “It got to the point where poor Johan, no one really knowing he was suffering with the concussion thing and the depression thing, he just broke down and had nervous breakdown, not only on the bench but after the game in one of the rooms in Nashville.

    ***

    Josh Pifke@thejoshp
    Replying to
    @RoofieMeNow

    @peterandri
    and
    @wingingitmotown

    This was around the time the “Swedish Mafia” stories were swirling about how the Sweedes were ganging up against Babs/Kenny. This clarifies the rumors, and puts an exclamation point on how far Babs lost the locker room.

    ***

    Stev @StevosaurusRex

    Replying to
    @iyer_prashanth
    and
    @Pete_Roehrig

    Should be noted that Lidstrom retired in 2012 after the Nashville series where Franzen was berated by Babcock. Granted he was 42 but it would not surprise me if that spurred his departure.

  195. leadfarmer says:

    https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/28212657/nicklas-backstrom-representing-free-agency?platform=amp

    This is kind of interesting although probably not a good idea for the players to do
    Although I do wonder how different the negotiations would be if the GM sat down with the player himself

  196. Pouzar says:

    Fire the World. Start from scratch!

  197. drglen says:

    Character aside, I seem to recall some significant tactical and personnel decisions against Boston last year, .. reminiscent of Moss with the Eskimos.. stubborn decisions that did not adapt to the situation. That may have to do with a power thing, I don’t know.

    In other news, it looks like Klefbom with Larrson is a thing again.

  198. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish:
    ” I don’t know what Oilers fans did to deserve 97, but my goodness it was worth it ”

    LT It should read “NHL does not deserve 97” why on earth do they not protect and help their prize asset succeed. Not calling the obstruction penalties dictate to the other teams how much they can and will get away. It a shame and disheartening to see and witness such disparity. Something is going to give on this front. Not sure what

    Did anyone listen to Rishaug on the Mandate with Nielson this morning.

    Now, Rishaug was clear that they let way too much go on McDavid but he’s suggesting that McDavid has kind of an understanding with the refs that they will let Connor himself get away with infractions – things such as push offs, etc. that allow him to find some clear air and, in response, the refs don’t call everything on him. He was clear that the amount not called each way is nowhere near even but that was his suggestion.

    I’m sure the vast majority of Oiler fans say “eff that”.

  199. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish: I hope he has the hands and the mind to be an NHL player

    Time will tell – lots of time probably given he was a 7th round pick last year.

    He should play a top 6 role for Finland at the World Juniors.

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