Takin’ Care of Business

The Edmonton Oilers won on the road in Vancouver Sunday night, delivering instant redemption for the Tabernac Saturday troupe who were not as good as they needed to me.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. There is also a Christmas gift offer here.

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Mikko Koskinen is seizing his opportunity to take over the Oilers’ crease
  • New Lowetide: Eight assets the Oilers could use to acquire Taylor Hall
  • New Lowetide:  Edmonton Oilers’ farm team recalls invaluable in playoff seasons and paying off in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Oilers deployment shuffle will continue with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins still sidelined
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: One-on-one with Ken Holland, who is facing his first deadline in the Jesse Puljujarvi saga
  • Jonathan Willis: Should the Oilers go short or long term on Ethan Bear’s next contract?
  • Lowetide: The 2010s: Revisiting the Connor McDavid draft lottery — the day the earth stood still in Edmonton
  • Jonathan Willis: The 2010s: Unveiling the Oilers all-decade team
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The 2010s: What went wrong with Nail Yakupov? How the No. 1 pick became the decade’s biggest NHL draft bust
  • Jonathan Willis: The 2010s: Ranking a decade’s worth of Oilers coaches
  • Lowetide: Tyler Benson posting a strong November in hopes of an Oilers recall
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A superstar shines, a goaltender stands tall and a ‘road hockey’ power play helps the Oilers return to form
  • Lowetide: Why Dave Tippett’s deployment is a sign the Oilers need a No. 3 centre
  • Jonathan Willis: A Jesse Puljujarvi trade is an opportunity of which only one NHL team gets to take advantage
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanLeon Draisaitl takes the blame as the Oilers’ struggles against lowly foes continues
  • Jonathan Willis: A list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Woodcroft on Benson’s ‘gift,’ the next step for Bouchard and acting like a proud parent watching the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 2 prospect winter 2019: Philip Broberg
  • Lowetide: Joel Persson’s demotion highlights difficult adjustment for Oilers’ ‘European showtime’ trio
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Evaluating the Oilers’ readiness for the 2021 Seattle expansion draft
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 1 prospect winter 2019: Evan Bouchard

OILERS AFTER 29 GAMES

  • Oilers in 201512-15-2, 26 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in 2016: 14-11-4, 32 points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in 2017: 12-15-2, 26 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in 2018: 15-12-2, 32 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in 2019: 17-9-3, 37 points; goal differential +8

This is a quality record and the Oilers own it. We’ll delve into last night’s game and what it means in just a minute, but do me a favor and line-by-line this table and imagine the songs that go with each one. First up is “Long December” followed by “Oh What a Night (December 1963)” and right back to Norah Jones “December” and once again “If we Make it Through December”. So it’s the world’s weirdest juke box, until this year when “December will be Magic Again” hits the stylus.

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in December 2016: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential +3
  • Oilers in December 2017: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in December 2018: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in December 2019: 1-0-0, two points; goal differential +1

This kind of freaks me out. I’m going to worry about next year all year. What kind of strangeness is this? Come on. Tell me you knew this. Liar!

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0) 
  • At home to: OTT, LAK, BUF, CAR (Expected 2-1-1)
  • On the road to: MIN (Expected 1-0-0)
  • At home to: TOR (Expected 0-1-0) 
  • On the road to: DAL, STL (Expected 0-2-0)
  • At home to: PIT, MTL (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 0-0-1)
  • At home to: CAL, NYR (Expected 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-6-2, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-0-0, 2 points in 1 game

That victory vaults Edmonton seven points clear of Vancouver, while a regulation loss would have resulted in just three points of clearance. Losing the opener of the weekend set was a mortal sin, but winning the second game is like getting a Pac-man power pellet. If you listen closely, you can actually hear the sound.

OILERS 2019-20

All numbers NST and five on five unless referenced. McDavid and Draisaitl both hit 50 points in 29 games and that’s a big damned deal historically.

LINE 1 James Neal-Connor McDavid-Josh Archibald played 13:07, going 13-9 Corsi, 8-3 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-0 HDSC.

James Neal played well, he was aggressive and engaged, he had a power-play assist and a shot on goal. Liked his game, he could have cashed but things happen in a hurry. Connor McDavid is so fast! I know you know, but we should throw that in once in awhile. Two assists, two takeaways, missed out on a PP assist because everyone was passing, took a penalty and should have drawn a dozen. I don’t know what Oilers fans did to deserve 97, but my goodness it was worth it. Josh Archibald scored a nice goal and has finally joined the hit parade. Credit to Dave Tippett for getting everyone a chance with the human cheat code.

LINE 2 Jujhar Khaira-Leon Draisaitl-Sam Gagner played 11:22, going 7-8 Corsi, 6-4 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC.

Jujhar Khaira didn’t get a lot done at five-on-five but was solid on the PK and kept the line moving. Leon Draisaitl had four shots and a takeaway and a goal (plus one on the PP) and looked much more involved than the previous night. I liked the line, but Leon did his damage with 97. Sam Gagner had three shots and made some nifty passes too.

LINE 3 Joakim Nygard-Riley Sheahan-Alex Chiasson played 6:34, going 5-4 Corsi, 4-3 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-3 HDSC.

Joakin Nygard skates swiftly and it creates chaos. Oilers need to play him more so he can find the range. I think he might be able to help. He had two shots and one HDSC. Riley Sheahan marked JT Miller right to the edge of the property before Miller sent a dart that started the first Vancouver goal. Tippett needs him to fill that checking role, he has struggled. Alex Chiasson delivered a great pass which led to a Leon PP goal, and had another at five-on-five; he is finding the range more often offensively.

LINE 4 Markus Granlund-Gaetan Haas-Patrick Russell played 8:22, going 9-4 Corsi, 4-2 shots no goals and 1-0 HDSC.

A fine night from this line, they were on pucks like a fly on stink. Markus Granlund forechecked well and was strong on the PK. Gaetan Haas had four shots, one HDSC and a takeaway. He continues to impress with his utility. Patrick Russell scored his first NHL goal, but the Scrooge was in town and found two ghosts, so disallowed.

PAIRING ONE Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 19:28, going 20-16 Corsi, 12-8 shots, 1-1 goals, 3-2 HDSC and 9-4 offensive-defensive faceoffs. Nurse played 13:21 with 97, Bear 11:34. Played 9:10 against Pettersson group.

Darnell Nurse picked up an assist on the Archibald goal, sending a dandy tippable pass to the slot and the cash. Bear was caught both trying to stop the pass from Hughes to Boeser and interrupt Boeser’s open net opportunity and was unable to do either. Nurse had a brief chance to intercept the pass from Miller but that was a dart and a helluva play. Nurse had three shots on goal and a couple of promising sorties (one a pass from McDavid that never did get to Nurse), Bear had some rookie vapor lock in one instance but delivered cherry passes all over as well. Good pairing.

PAIRING TWO Oscar Klefbom and Adam Larsson played 17:19, going 13-22 Corsi, 8-10 shots, 0-1 goals, 0-2 HDSC and 5-4 offensive-defensive faceoffs. Klefbom played 4:40 with 97, Larsson 4:31. Pair was 6:40 against Pettersson trio.

Oscar Klefbom had his man but the puck squirted to Josh Leivo (I SO said the Oilers should acquire him many many times) and that’s all she wrote. Adam Larsson looked like his old self to me, or at least closer to, and seems to be more mobile by the hour. Good sign.

THIRD PAIRING Caleb Jones and Matt Benning played 6:01, going 0-8 Corsi, 0-5 shots, no goals and 0-3 HDSC.

Matt Benning’s final shift ended at 16:49 of the second period, he was pulled from the game for impersonated Mathieu Roy. Caleb Jones final shift was the same one as Benning’s, although Jones remained on the ice for another 30 seconds. Neither man played the third period, one due to injury and the other due to rookie.

GOALIE Mikko Koskinen stopped 30 of 32, .938. He was rock solid in net, exactly the kind of goaltending this team needed on a night when some important pieces were missing. Do me a favor and remember this game, spent on the road against a good team, shorthanded and in need of a win to stop the bleeding. Koskinen is the Oilers best goalie and it’s not close.

BIG WIN

The Bettman NHL is a lot about avoiding long losing streaks and Edmonton went into last night’s game having lost two in a row with an ugly goal differential. It was a big win, in division and in regulation. Remember this one.

MATT BENNING

After the slap shot to the head (hockey is such a dangerous game) Matt Benning returned and he made a play that has me a little worried about him. I don’t remember the forward, but a Canucks player had a seam and the puck came to him inside the blue line. Benning was the last line of defense, but he took a weird route (I think he was trying to hit the Vancouver player) and botched it, leaving the puck, the Canuck and Mikko Koskinen alone together. Matt Benning doesn’t make a reckless play like that one. I know the Oilers will make sure he’s ready before return, but this young man has had some head hits over the years. It’s a worry.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning with much to discuss gets underway at 10 this morning, TSN1260. Reid Fowler from Draft Kings/NFL looks back at a crazy weekend, Guy Flaming from The Pipeline Show will preview Canada’s World Junior roster (announcement this morning at 11). Jason Gregor will be by at 11 to talk Oilers and the big win last night.

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  1. Reja says:

    Cassandra:
    There are so, so, so, many players that hate Babcock that there is no way there isn’t something to there stories. That this was treated as normal, and is continued to be treated as normal by people like Reja is a problem.That’s a simple fact for which there is no other side to be on.

    This doesn’t have anything to do with other trends in society and to conflate the issues is to provide cover for people who don’t deserve it.

    Are you this naive

    Cassandra:
    There are so, so, so, many players that hate Babcock that there is no way there isn’t something to there stories. That this was treated as normal, and is continued to be treated as normal by people like Reja is a problem.That’s a simple fact for which there is no other side to be on.

    This doesn’t have anything to do with other trends in society and to conflate the issues is to provide cover for people who don’t deserve it.

    Are you this Naive Babcock is not the first asshole to be a Boss in society.

  2. v4ance says:

    In lighter news:

    Damien Cox @DamoSpin

    Ok. But if you’d rather not that’s cool. Just a selfie from right now is good

    Seems someone mixed up his DM voice with his public Tweets…. couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy!

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    EhTeam: Even if the Oilers signed Larsson they wouldn’t protect him in an expansion draft ahead of Bear.

    I agree this is 100% correct but re-signing him prior to the expansion draft does create a risk of losing Larsson in the draft that would not be there if he was not re-signed until after the expansion draft (well, assuming the team and player had essentially agreed to a deal).

    Either way, I love Adam Larsson but I’m not in favor of a re-sign this off-season – if he’s to be re-signed, its a 2021 exercise (whether its before or after the expansion draft) and will be somewhat predicated on the development of the younger d-men in the organization along with, of course, Larsson’s play up and till then.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    geowal:

    As a side note, and there’s no way to prove this, I don’t think Koskinen looks nearly as good, to the point we’re talking about buyouts if McLellan is still the coach. This is due to all of Tippett’s D systems, his early goalie rotation, and overall team play especially PK improvement (some cred to Holland there)

    The above is very much true but its not the entire story – as per Wooley via Gregor, there have been numerous technical changes to his game, at least 3 or 4, that have made a big difference.

  5. Justthestatsman says:

    geowal: Three quick things:
    -I’m not a goalie expert. But we can all see what all the other goalies are paid and what their performance is. As you’ve said, results matter, and his wasn’t there yet. The sample size wasn’t there, so Chia couldn’t have projected this (no baseline).
    -actual “hockey experts” universally disliked the signing from what I recall, and I put some credence in that.
    -the people who actually controlled the 500MM franchise (Bobby N and up), who are also quite invested in this, almost immediately disagreed with it and canned him. So the rich people were mad that their money was potentially being given away.
    Now back to work.

    My memory is poor, but my recollection was that Bobby N had indicated he or the management group had signed off on the Koskinen deal at the press conference.to announce the Chia firing. Anyone else remember it that way?

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    SoCaloil:
    I’m probably wrong here, but I thought the Benning injury was a result of a slap shot hitting his leg.
    I was watching the game on the IPAD…so maybe I saw wrong.

    Hope he’s ok

    Tippett was asked if it was the leg/foot or the head and said he thinks it was the spotters.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot: He had a slow first month returning from a serious injury last year.

    I don’t see how the Oilers can afford him. Even if he comes back at a discount 3 years at $8.5 million (the Draisaitl cap), I don’t see how the Oilers can afford him, much less have the trade assets to compete with Colorado.

    1) As I’m sure you agree, I don’t imagine him signing for that AAV unless this year is poor

    2) More importantly, ya, we can probably fit him in to the cap, however, it would require a number of moves that would, overall, make our team worse – without even taking in to account his likely regression over the term of the contract and the fact he hasn’t even produced at an elite level in the last 5 seasons except for one season.

  8. v4ance says:

    There have been millions of coaches who are tough yet haven’t stepped into the territory of being an ass hole… this is just one other form of toxic behavior that shouldn’t be accepted or defended.

    The status quo protects the abusers. Silence keeps the secrets buried. We’ve seen this time and time again and not just in hockey. The Joe Paterno Penn state abuse, USA gymnastics, Graham James and the Swift Current Broncos, the Catholic church…

    We should welcome these stories. It’s how we get better as people and as a society. If we don’t shine a light on these issues and don’t expose the misconduct then we just wallow in the current shitty state of affairs. And then the ass holes will continue to get away with being ass holes.

  9. v4ance says:

    Masterton trophy candidate?

    TSN 1200@TSN1200

    Mark Borowiecki is returning calls from Vancouver police who require his statement after he foiled a robbery yesterday by clothes lining a guy on a bike who had stolen a bag. He then wrestled him down and retrieved the bag.

  10. Lowetide says:

    I’m about to delete a few posts, I would encourage all who are on this blog to be responsible this evening. Please and thanks.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    KingerOilredux:

    – Koski was playing very well when he was signed

    – He’s the 20th highest paid G in the league

    Whoa – hold on a second – no, he was not playing well when he re-signed – part of the complete weirdness to the timing was that fact that he was slumping

    In the 3 weeks leading up to the signing he had a 0.900 Save % and a 3.20 GAA – this was not due to overwork either as, in those three weeks, he played 7 games and Talbot 6 (and Talbot had materially better numbers).

    If I shorten the sample to the one week before the signing, he played 3 games with a 3.07 GAA and a 0.878 save percentage.

    There was nothing in his history to justify paying him anywhere near the 20th highest tender – his play overall and his play in the weeks leading up didn’t come close to justifying that salary and there wasn’t anything to reasonably project that he would get there (even though he may be busting through that right now).

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    They are a better team
    But we have McJesus and DraiJesus

    I understand the angle but it doesn’t compute to me.

    McDavid and Drai are part of the team.

    Aside from 99, 7 and 11, the flames were the better team in the 80s…….

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    DarthTu:
    Any news on the old Nugent Hopkins and that “some time next week” return? I’m looking forward to him getting back in the lineup.

    I think today was an off-say – no skate, no news on anything/anybody.

  14. Pouzar says:

    Chicago Blackhawks
    @NHLBlackhawks
    ·
    2m
    The Chicago Blackhawks will be conducting a thorough review of assistant coach Marc Crawford based on the recent allegations that have been made regarding his conduct with another organization.

  15. Harpers Hair says:

    Pouzar:
    Chicago Blackhawks
    @NHLBlackhawks
    ·
    2m
    The Chicago Blackhawks will be conducting a thorough review of assistant coach Marc Crawford based on the recent allegations that have been made regarding his conduct with another organization.

    The hockey world is about to be scorched.

  16. Wonder Llama says:

    Buffalo 5 New Jersey 0 after one period.

    Sabres have taken 15 shots.

    Devil’s save percentage is appropriate.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: Your claim requires context.

    In the three games played…

    Vancouver outscored the Oilers 9-8

    Vancouver outshot the Oilers 103-90

    The Canucks last night were playing their first home game in two weeks after a sixgame Eastern road trip and on a back to back to boot.

    They were also missing their #1D, #3C, #4C, in Sutter and Beagle as well as Roussel, Ferland and Tyler Motte.

    Effectively they were without five players from their bottom six and both their normal PK units.

    This is much closer than the standings would indicate.

    I believe what you meant to say was that my post requires “excuses” not “contex”.

    Fact: Oilers have between Vancouver twice in three games

    Fact: Oilers are 7 points ahead of Vancouver in the NHL standings

    Injuries go both ways. Oilers were miss 1RW, 2C, 4/5D and lost the 5/6D mid-game. Blah blah blah.

  18. Leon McMesstzky says:

    Justthestatsman: My memory is poor, but my recollection was that Bobby N had indicated he or the management group had signed off on the Koskinen deal at the press conference.to announce the Chia firing.Anyone else remember it that way?

    I definitely remember Bob saying he signed off on the Koskinen deal

  19. New Improved Darkness says:

    Further to my earlier post on this thread, it occurred to me to check whether the Concorde was actually flying in 1973. Well, sort of: in active testing, but not yet commercial.

    Here’s what I also found:

    Concorde won the 2006 Great British Design Quest organized by the BBC and the Design Museum, beating other well-known designs such as the BMC Mini, the miniskirt, the Jaguar E-Type, the London Tube map and the Supermarine Spitfire.

    Good grief. The Spitfire saved civilization as we know it, and the miniskirt made saving civilization-as-we-know-it pay eternal dividends.

    ———

    Turns out the popularity of the miniskirt is largely attributed to a woman named Mary Quant (no relation to the Wolves of Wall Street during the 2010s).

    Certainly this lengthening of hemlines coincided with the growth of the feminist movement.

    However, in the 1960 s the mini had been regarded as a symbol of liberation, and it was worn by some, such as Germaine Greer, writing in 1969 that “The women kept on dancing while their long skirts crept up, and their girdles dissolved, and their nipples burst through like hyacinth tips and their clothes withered away to the mere wisps and ghosts of draperies to adorn and glorify.”

    Although they disappeared from mainstream fashion by the mid-70s, miniskirts never entirely went away. This was evidenced by Deborah Harry of the group Blondie, who often wore miniskirts during the “new wave” era of the late 70s; and by the female cast members of the TV show Hee Haw, who were known as the “Hee Haw Honeys”, who always wore country-style minidresses even during the miniskirt’s fashion hiatus in the late 70s and early 80s.

    The racy American Hee Haw was later remade for the uptight BEEB as Hee Haw Hem-Hem.

    ‘Hee Haw Honey’ Misty Rowe talks reuniting with former castmates, appearing in Happy Days and Playboy

    Be sure to check out the second photograph with the long, slender breakneck beak.

    Rowe: I was Wendy the carhop on “Happy Days.” I loved it. I truly, truly did. And I have seen Ron Howard and Henry Winkler since. Both are such great guys.

    Of course she had fun. In the photo, she’s wearing a blue cap, a tight white blouse, a blue miniskirt to match the cap, and she’s dutifully taking Ralph Malph’s order for an unsuckable ice-cold vanilla milkshake topped with a sprinkle of candy-coated blueballs (by small mercy, frozen eye-teeth do manage to momentarily take your mind off the other situation).

    1929 Ford Model A Roadster: Ralph Malph’s Car from Happy Days — 2009

    A very big TV hit in the 70’s. A show about high school teenagers growing up in the 50’s. A time when kids were growing drag racing their hot rods. The cars seen in Happy Days were really old school. Ralph Malph, one of the main characters, had a yellow 1929 Ford Model A Roadster that he modded for street racing, though he didn’t really race much. Still the car was very well designed and looked really cool. It was yellow with spitfires on the engine hood.

    We all know that even behind the wheel of a yellow flame-detailed open-top Model A Roadster that legitimately broke down on dark, secluded, back-roads everywhere, Ralph Malph somehow still remained Milwaukee’s most reluctant historian.

    ———

    A Diagnostic Consideration in Testiculoscrotal Pain in Young Adults: A Case Report and Discussion — 2000

    “Blue balls” is a widely used colloquialism describing scrotal pain after high, sustained sexual arousal unrelieved because of lack of orgasm and ejaculation. It is remarkable that the medical literature completely lacks acknowledgment of this condition.

    A 14-year-old male presented to the emergency department with a history of severe bilateral scrotal pain of 1.5 hours’ duration. There was no associated nausea or vomiting. The patient denied fever, chills, or feeling systemically ill. He described the pain as sharp, stabbing, constant, and unaffected by position. There was no history of dysuria, urethral discharge, previous urinary tract infections, trauma, or any history of prior sexual intercourse. The patient was a reluctant historian.

    Amusingly, that’s the whole of the article tease before you hit the paywall.

    Probable Rx: Petroleum jelly. Apply vigorously, twice daily.

    Active ingredient: when applied as directed.

    Known side-effects: euphoria; somnolence; unfinished homework; fold-preference inversion.

    ———

    In 1999, Jaffee told an interviewer, “Usually you can go on working unless you have a stroke or something. So I hope to continue. I’m trying to decide whether I should do my final Fold-In before I die or after I die! […] I don’t want to share it! It’s a secret! But I mentioned it to the editors at Mad and they said, ‘You mean you want to get paid ahead of time!’ ”

    95-year-old Mad cartoonist Al Jaffee: The world is full of bloviators — 2016

    Jaffe’s current actuarial life-expectancy is just over two years, unless he opts for a hasty sex-change, which would buy him another six months. He’s already withheld that final Fold-In for twenty years.

    ———

    Andy Stitzer is a 40-year-old virgin who lives alone, his apartment filled with his collection of action figures and video games.

    Andy—not being terribly experienced in these matters—was heard to sigh on the morning after the night before “ahhhhhh—that makes one out of three”.

    “One out of three what?” replied his honey squeeze, draped immobile, with no particular compass bearing.

    Andy: “You know, the final Mad Fold-In and Lowetide’s mythical ‘balance’ photograph.”

    Only he didn’t actually say that second part out loud, because a 40-year-old former virgin already has some clue.

  20. Side says:

    OriginalPouzar: I believe what you meant to say was that my post requires “excuses” not “contex”.

    Fact: Oilers have between Vancouver twice in three games

    Fact: Oilers are 7 points ahead of Vancouver in the NHL standings

    Injuries go both ways.Oilers were miss 1RW, 2C, 4/5D and lost the 5/6D mid-game. Blah blah blah.

    HH has his holes dug and his hands chalked. He’s got both hands on a post, he’s ready to move it.

  21. Leon McMesstzky says:

    OriginalPouzar: I believe what you meant to say was that my post requires “excuses” not “contex”.

    Fact: Oilers have between Vancouver twice in three games

    Fact: Oilers are 7 points ahead of Vancouver in the NHL standings

    Injuries go both ways.Oilers were miss 1RW, 2C, 4/5D and lost the 5/6D mid-game. Blah blah blah.

    Hahaha. Priceless. Love it. Also their road trip is irrelevant. Oilers played 5 on road. Flew home one game then went to Vancouver also. And then flew home afterwards. Just as much travel

  22. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: I understand the angle but it doesn’t compute to me.

    McDavid and Drai are part of the team.

    Aside from 99, 7 and 11, the flames were the better team in the 80s…….

    I would encourage you to reconsider this view. My goodness that’s an incredible statement.

  23. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Cassandra:
    There are so, so, so, many players that hate Babcock that there is no way there isn’t something to there stories. That this was treated as normal, and is continued to be treated as normal by people like Reja is a problem.That’s a simple fact for which there is no other side to be on.

    This doesn’t have anything to do with other trends in society and to conflate the issues is to provide cover for people who don’t deserve it.

    So you seem to think public opinion on things that seem to look negative is ‘delete the person’ time.

    Judge jury executioner.

    It works well everywhere else, right?

    👎🏻

    Every situation should be looked at closely and in context. False accusations are as bad as abusive situations, some like me may say worse.

    I’m not passing judgement on any hockey situation, but it is critical to be careful, or even more harm is done. Reducing harm is the goal, right?

  24. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: I believe what you meant to say was that my post requires “excuses” not “contex”.

    Fact: Oilers have between Vancouver twice in three games

    Fact: Oilers are 7 points ahead of Vancouver in the NHL standings

    Injuries go both ways.Oilers were miss 1RW, 2C, 4/5D and lost the 5/6D mid-game. Blah blah blah.

    No. What I meant to say is your post is your post lacks context.

    Any shlub could be the Oilers 1RW….see Blair McDonald for context.

    Missing Nuge is a thing for sure but Vancouver was missing it’s #1D and not a bottom pairing blah, blah blah..

    They were also missing 5 of their bottom 6 forwards who are far superior to the Sea of Granlunds and are exceptional penalty killers.

    The Oilers won a one goal game against a tired injury depleted team that had waxed the Oilers 5-2 one night earlier.

    I won’t even mention the two embellishment penalties Nurse should have received or the lack of a penalty call on Boeser when he got hacked in the mouth which should have been a double minor.

  25. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: I understand the angle but it doesn’t compute to me.

    McDavid and Drai are part of the team.

    Aside from 99, 7 and 11, the flames were the better team in the 80s…….

    Ever stepped on a landmine?

    You have now.

    Pretty sure comment that won’t hold water.

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cassandra: Why am I not surprised that you have this opinion?People who have worthless opinions in one area (hockey) are worthless in another (moral judgement).

    This story isn’t going away.The Swift Current Broncos have just fired their head trainer.

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/jamie-leblanc-swift-current-broncos-trainer-fired-1.5381448

    I disagree with Reja on plenty of things hockey but this is entirely uncalled for and should not be tolerated.

    Our host has asked numerous times over the last few weeks to “play nice” and you do this?

  27. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: No. What I meant to say is your post is your post lacks context.

    Any shlub could be the Oilers 1RW….see Blair McDonald for context.

    Missing Nuge is a thing for sure but Vancouver was missing it’s #1D and not a bottom pairing blah, blah blah..

    They were also missing 5 of their bottom 6 forwards who are far superior to the Sea of Granlunds and are exceptional penalty killers.

    The Oilers won a one goal game against a tired injury depleted team that had waxed the Oilers 5-2one night earlier.

    I won’t even mention the two embellishment penalties Nurse should have received or the lack of a penalty call on Boeser when he got hacked in the mouth which should have been a double minor.

    Always the bridesmaid!!

  28. Leon McMesstzky says:

    Harpers Hair: No. What I meant to say is your post is your post lacks context.

    Any shlub could be the Oilers 1RW….see Blair McDonald for context.

    Missing Nuge is a thing for sure but Vancouver was missing it’s #1D and not a bottom pairing blah, blah blah..

    They were also missing 5 of their bottom 6 forwards who are far superior to the Sea of Granlunds and are exceptional penalty killers.

    The Oilers won a one goal game against a tired injury depleted team that had waxed the Oilers 5-2one night earlier.

    I won’t even mention the two embellishment penalties Nurse should have received or the lack of a penalty call on Boeser when he got hacked in the mouth which should have been a double minor.

    What about the insane amount of non calls against McDavid. I swear sometimes it’s like hes playing with one hand tied behind his back. It’s a bit ridiculous honestly

  29. Darth Tu says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Low grade bait.

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: I would encourage you to reconsider this view. My goodness that’s an incredible statement.

    Oh, it was just a loose example that one can’t just delete the top players on one team when comparing them to another team – “without those two guys on Team A, Team B is better….”.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: No. What I meant to say is your post is your post lacks context.

    Any shlub could be the Oilers 1RW….see Blair McDonald for context.

    Missing Nuge is a thing for sure but Vancouver was missing it’s #1D and not a bottom pairing blah, blah blah..

    They were also missing 5 of their bottom 6 forwards who are far superior to the Sea of Granlunds and are exceptional penalty killers.

    The Oilers won a one goal game against a tired injury depleted team that had waxed the Oilers 5-2one night earlier.

    I won’t even mention the two embellishment penalties Nurse should have received or the lack of a penalty call on Boeser when he got hacked in the mouth which should have been a double minor.

    Again, excuses.

    What is the context for the canucks being 7 points back of the Oilers: That projects to close the 20 points through the end of the season.

  32. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: I agree this is 100% correct but re-signing him prior to the expansion draft does create a risk of losing Larsson in the draft that would not be there if he was not re-signed until after the expansion draft (well, assuming the team and player had essentially agreed to a deal).

    Either way, I love Adam Larsson but I’m not in favor of a re-sign this off-season – if he’s to be re-signed, its a 2021 exercise (whether its before or after the expansion draft) and will be somewhat predicated on the development of the younger d-men in the organization along with, of course, Larsson’s play up and till then.

    One of Larsson Nurse our Kelfbom are not a Oiler at this time next year.

  33. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: Oh, it was just a loose example that one can’t just delete the top players on one team when comparing them to another team – “without those two guys on Team A, Team B is better….”.

    Ah thank God.

  34. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: Again, excuses.

    What is the context for the canucks being 7 points back of the Oilers:That projects to close the 20 points through the end of the season.

    You guys.

    I’ve always defended DSF here in part because I’m immune to his antics and because I value dissenting opinions.

    These arguments between you remind me of grade school.

    I had a friend name Stephen in grade one. We had a disagreement one day that that carried forward with an ensuing argument that went unresolved.

    “My daddy’s stronger than your daddy.”

    Carry on.

  35. Reja says:

    Justthestatsman: My memory is poor, but my recollection was that Bobby N had indicated he or the management group had signed off on the Koskinen deal at the press conference.to announce the Chia firing.Anyone else remember it that way?

    The signing of Kosh has Kurri’s fingerprints all over it. When Kurri advices Gretzky this goaltender has the goods he listens. The signing had zero to do with whipping boy Pete.

  36. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Again, excuses.

    What is the context for the canucks being 7 points back of the Oilers:That projects to close the 20 points through the end of the season.

    The context is pretty easy for anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

    The Canucks have seven roster players out of the lineup, many of whom are expected back shortly.

    They also have an incredibly easy schedule for December after having a brutal Eastern road trip out of the way where they went 3-3.

    The Oilers also have an easy schedule in December but I expect the Canucks will start to reel them in.

  37. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I understand the angle but it doesn’t compute to me.

    McDavid and Drai are part of the team.

    Aside from 99, 7 and 11, the flames were the better team in the 80s…….

    What is your evidence for this?

    The Oilers won the Cup in 90 without 99 and 7.
    They beat the Flames in the playoffs in 91, without 99 and 7.
    The lost in the Conference finals to Chicago in 92 without 99,7, and 11.

  38. Davesshop says:

    Harpers Hair,

    When can this possibly end. It is beyond ridiculous the lengths this person will go to so he can attempt to justify what is clearly and endlessly a movement of facts figures and stats to troll, instigate and beat this wonderful blog to death.

  39. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: The context is pretty easy for anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

    The Canucks have seven roster players out of the lineup, many of whom are expected back shortly.

    They also have an incredibly easy schedule for December after having a brutal Eastern road trip out of the way where they went 3-3.

    The Oilers also have an easy schedule in December but I expect the Canucks will start to reel them in.

    The amount of injury is true. I’m not convinced that outside of Edler and Sutter we’re talking about anything germane. Beagle is a decent player, but only Edler is a top player for them.

    Edler = Nuge
    Kassian = Sutter
    Etc

    All teams run through a cap cycle unless the GM is a better than 50% on decisions, kind of cold blooded with later career contracts, and somehow enough game changers can be found and kept.

    Vancouver has 2 game changers, maybe, we’ll see, so there’s that. Horvat is a key piece as 2C, not a game changer, but a key piece behind Pettersson moving forward.

  40. jtblack says:

    IMO:

    A contract is not deemed a Good contract because player starts playing well .. That’s like putting all your chips on RED, RED hits and you chalk it up to a sound betting strategy …

    Koskinen was signed after 10 NHL games. That’s a poor move by any GM. Does it look like Koski will cover the bet. It does now, but that still doesn’t make it a good signing at the time. If Pete kept handing out contracts after 10 games, it would begin to blow up on him.

    Drai was an overpay at the time. Full Stop. Pete had more bullets in the chamber but he chose to use none of them. Does the contract look good now? absolutely, but it doesn’t mean it was good Gm’ing ….

  41. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: No. What I meant to say is your post is your post lacks context.

    Any shlub could be the Oilers 1RW….see Blair McDonald for context.

    Missing Nuge is a thing for sure but Vancouver was missing it’s #1D and not a bottom pairing blah, blah blah..

    They were also missing 5 of their bottom 6 forwards who are far superior to the Sea of Granlunds and are exceptional penalty killers.

    The Oilers won a one goal game against a tired injury depleted team that had waxed the Oilers 5-2one night earlier.

    I won’t even mention the two embellishment penalties Nurse should have received or the lack of a penalty call on Boeser when he got hacked in the mouth which should have been a double minor.

    You have a lot of Gall calling B.J Macdonald a shrub the man could score. The B.J, Gretzky and Calliighen was gold before his injury. Name a line better in the Kanucle history and don’t start with Sedin, maybe the Bertuzzi line but I’m just saying that to be nice.

  42. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Reja: The signing of Kosh has Kurri’s fingerprints all over it. When Kurri advices Gretzky this goaltender has the goods he listens. The signing had zero to do with whipping boy Pete.

    I don’t see this. My takeaway on Pete is that he was lazy or not interested. Or dis-motivated bcs Oilers.

    Burgers was in full butt protection mode. I say that but (he he) do believe he was trying to do the right thing and protect the org.

    It’s messy when the actors seem out of touch in a rapidly changing environment. As we have seen.

  43. jm363561 says:

    Good morning from Manila ……. well, it was “good” until I started reading today’s thread. Spare a thought for our host who has worked so hard to build this community before posting intolerant, personally abusive comments, or get involved in prolonged arguments more suited to a kindergarten. Go and play on someone else’s blog.

  44. godot10 says:

    jtblack:
    IMO:

    A contract is not deemed a Good contract because player starts playing well .. That’s like putting all your chips on RED, RED hits and you chalk it up to a sound betting strategy …

    Koskinen was signed after 10 NHL games.That’s a poor move by any GM. Does it look like Koski will cover the bet. It does now, but that still doesn’t make it a good signing at the time.If Pete kept handing out contracts after 10 games, it would begin to blow up on him.

    Drai was an overpay at the time. Full Stop.Pete had more bullets in the chamber but he chose to use none of them. Does the contract look good now?absolutely, but it doesn’t mean it was good Gm’ing ….

    One is never going to get a bargain contract unless one takes a risk and makes a projection based on incomplete information.

    Nurse and Bear are worth the risks. Kassian and Hall probably are not.

    Koskinen was a higher risk than one should normally make, but the free agent class of goaltenders was lousy.

  45. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack:
    IMO:

    A contract is not deemed a Good contract because player starts playing well .. That’s like putting all your chips on RED, RED hits and you chalk it up to a sound betting strategy …

    Koskinen was signed after 10 NHL games.That’s a poor move by any GM. Does it look like Koski will cover the bet. It does now, but that still doesn’t make it a good signing at the time.If Pete kept handing out contracts after 10 games, it would begin to blow up on him.

    Drai was an overpay at the time. Full Stop.Pete had more bullets in the chamber but he chose to use none of them. Does the contract look good now?absolutely, but it doesn’t mean it was good Gm’ing ….

    With Drai, they could have nickel and dimed him, but think about how he would feel now?

    That modest overpay pays dividends now. I’m sure he is feeling like he left money on the table given super nova, but he can’t blame the team because they did give him max.

    Paying young quality with no red flags isn’t the cap issue, especially as seasons progress.

  46. JimmyV1965 says:

    Cassandra: Why am I not surprised that you have this opinion?People who have worthless opinions in one area (hockey) are worthless in another (moral judgement).

    This story isn’t going away.The Swift Current Broncos have just fired their head trainer.

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/jamie-leblanc-swift-current-broncos-trainer-fired-1.5381448

    Are you trying to be ironic? Because you’ve hit a major league homerun. You appear to be much like Babcock. Great ideas. Just a shitty way of communicating said ideas. And you’re definitely in the top 5 for judgemental on this site. I don’t know if I could ever say someone’s opinion is worthless. Babcock appears to be good at that stuff though.

  47. Harpers Hair says:

    Scungilli Slushy: The amount of injury is true. I’m not convinced that outside of Edler and Sutter we’re talking about anything germane. Beagle is a decent player, but only Edler is a top player for them.

    Edler = Nuge
    Kassian = Sutter
    Etc

    All teams run through a cap cycle unless the GM is a better than 50% on decisions, kind of cold blooded with later career contracts, and somehow enough game changers can be found and kept.

    Vancouver has 2 game changers, maybe, we’ll see, so there’s that. Horvat is a key piece as 2C, not a game changer, but a key piece behind Pettersson moving forward.

    Vancouver has five game changers.
    Petterson, Boeser, Horvat, Miller and Hughes.
    There is no doubt that McDavid and Draisaitl are superior but that also leaves the Oilers vulnerable to tactics and injury.

    Well soon see if balance is more important than top end talent.

  48. ArmchairGM says:

    drglen: In other news, it looks like Klefbom with Larrson is a thing again.

    Seems like it. Having a legitimate top-4 again (for the first time since about 2016) will go a long way towards covering the fact that the forward corps is so thin.

  49. Harpers Hair says:

    Reja: You have a lot of Gall calling B.J Macdonald a shrub the man could score. The B.J, Gretzky and Calliighen was gold before his injury. Name a line better in the Kanucle history and don’t start with Sedin, maybe the Bertuzzi line but I’m just saying that to be nice.

    Good grief.
    Sather called BJ a fire hyrdrant.
    He wasnt wrong.

  50. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    And Hughes has never played 40 games
    So he’s going to hit a wall around February

  51. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: Vancouver has fivegame changers.
    Petterson, Boeser, Horvat, Miller and Hughes.
    There is no doubt that McDavid and Draisaitl are superior but that also leaves the Oilers vulnerable to tactics and injury.

    Well soon see if balance is more important than top end talent.

    I did forget Miller and Boeser. Really good. I don’t see them as top flight players, maybe Miller can stay at the new level he has not had before.

    Horvat is a great 2 C IMO. Bigger than Nuge also doesn’t have the O to be considered a game changer.

    My point was given the 2 best talents in Pettersson and Hughes are still finding their NHL range, it’s not clear what the Dys have, other than no Cups 🤩

  52. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer:
    Harpers Hair,

    And Hughes has never played 40 games
    So he’s going to hit a wall around February

    That’s a guarantee for sure.

    Or maybe not.

  53. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: The context is pretty easy for anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

    The Canucks have seven roster players out of the lineup, many of whom are expected back shortly.

    They also have an incredibly easy schedule for December after having a brutal Eastern road trip out of the way where they went 3-3.

    The Oilers also have an easy schedule in December but I expect the Canucks will start to reel them in.

    You probably expected the Canucks to beat Boston in the cup final. Or if you are old enough you probably believed the Canucks would beat the Rangers in the cup final. Maybe if you ask Santa really nice.😇

  54. Reja says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I don’t see this. My takeaway on Pete is that he was lazy or not interested. Or dis-motivated bcs Oilers.

    Burgers was in full butt protection mode. I say that but (he he) do believe he was trying to do the right thing and protect the org.

    It’s messy when the actors seem out of touch in a rapidly changing environment. As we have seen.

    Next time you see Gretz in between holes on the golf course ask him if Kurri was behind the Kosh signing. I’ll betcha dollars for doughnuts your going to get a big right eye wink.

  55. Glovjuice says:

    HT Joe:
    Sorry for the off-topic question for the group, but this community has become my lifeline for learning about the nicer things in life, like BBQ, alcohols, and camping boxes.

    It seems like this community also includes a lot of audiophiles.Does anyone have any recommendations on a store in Edmonton that could put together a nice sound-system, built around a record player (but with potential to expand to other inputs)?Also, any recommendations on a good place to buy LPs would also be appreciated.Thank you all!

    Go see Andrew at Audio Ark. very talented at taking the info you give him and turning it into a perfect system for you. He usually takes Tuesday off.

  56. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Good grief.
    Sather called BJ a fire hyrdrant.
    He wasnt wrong.

    Do you still have your Harold Snepsts autographed poster.

  57. SVR says:

    Harpers Hair: The context is pretty easy for anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

    The Canucks have seven roster players out of the lineup, many of whom are expected back shortly.

    They also have an incredibly easy schedule for December after having a brutal Eastern road trip out of the way where they went 3-3.

    The Oilers also have an easy schedule in December but I expect the Canucks will start to reel them in.

    Bold statement being that you just lost the be that Arizona would pass the oilers in November. Now you want to bet it will be Vancouver that passes them by the end of December. Who you got for January?

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: The context is pretty easy for anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

    The Canucks have seven roster players out of the lineup, many of whom are expected back shortly.

    They also have an incredibly easy schedule for December after having a brutal Eastern road trip out of the way where they went 3-3.

    The Oilers also have an easy schedule in December but I expect the Canucks will start to reel them in.

    Right, the context is injuries and schedule so, yes, excuses.

    Its interesting, that easy schedule of the Oilers, well, they’ve beat 5 out of the 8 current playoff teams in the east and 4 out of the current 8 in the west (plus the 9th place team, twice now).

  59. leadfarmer says:

    SVR: Bold statement being that you just lost the be that Arizona would pass the oilers in November. Now you want to bet it will be Vancouver that passes them by the end of December. Who you got for January?

    Don’t forget the great Jamie Benn has one point in last 5 games
    And that’s a secondary pp assist

  60. duct tape and foil says:

    This site has become unreadable with 75% of content HH trolling and responses to the troll. It’s your site LT but it will not be worth reading if this keeps up.

  61. SVR says:

    leadfarmer: Don’t forget the great Jamie Benn has one point in last 5 games
    And that’s a secondary pp assist

    No mention of Vegas any more either. Looking at the standings, wouldn’t be surprised if we start hearing about the greatness that is SJS very soon. With their 8-2-0 record in the last 10, it’s only a matter of time. Maybe they will be January team of the month.

  62. Bad Seed says:

    Glovjuice,

    Andrew is an awesome fellow!

  63. Side says:

    HH’s excuses seem to have come full circle and he’s back on the Canucks wagon. This is good stuff.

  64. leadfarmer says:

    duct tape and foil:
    This site has become unreadable with 75% of content HH trolling and responses to the troll. It’s your site LT but it will not be worth reading if this keeps up.

    Yeah pretty much
    Gmoney got in an argument with someone and left years ago
    So now because of that we get exposed to Canucks trolls who just troll the site but they happen to drink whiskey with Woodguy so it’s ok

  65. Lowetide says:

    duct tape and foil:
    This site has become unreadable with 75% of content HH trolling and responses to the troll. It’s your site LT but it will not be worth reading if this keeps up.

    The site is a breathing thing. If you don’t like a post, then cobble together something better. This happens every year Edmonton starts winning, there’s a rush to take credit for things and that starts a fight, then DSF makes a comment and people experience reefer madness.

    People, I don’t write the comments section, I direct traffic. If you’re frustrated with the content, then start a topic and see if it flies.

    If you don’t want to talk about the greatness of the Canucks, don’t respond to DSF. And understand he’s having fun doing this, and if you’re not then that’s a shame.

    I sincerely hope everyone enjoys their evening, whether it be here or elsewhere. But remember, you are the author of your evening.

    Not me.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m confused, is Hughes a prospect or a game changer?

    So, are all decent top 6 forwards considered game changers?

  67. Harpers Hair says:

    Keep an eye on goal differential.

    It almost perfectly predicts the standings.,

    WC.

    COL +22
    ARZ +11
    STL +11
    VCR +8
    DAL +7
    EDM +7
    VGL +5
    NSH +2
    WPG +1

    ——-

    Every other team minus but SJS coming hard.

  68. --hudson-- says:

    Reja: Next time you see Gretz in between holes on the golf course ask him if Kurri was behind the Kosh signing. I’llbetcha dollars for doughnuts your going to get a big right eye wink.

    Wasn’t Kurri also behind Iiro Pakarinen and Lennart Petrell?

    If you ask any Finnish hockey fans about their thoughts on Matti Virmanen (Oilers Euro scout) they give you the impression he’s the Chiarelli of the old Sm-Liiga.

    Anyway I’ve digressed… go Mikko!

  69. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide: The site is a breathing thing. If you don’t like a post, then cobble together something better. This happens every year Edmonton starts winning, there’s a rush to take credit for things and that starts a fight, then DSF makes a comment and people experience reefer madness.

    People, I don’t write the comments section, I direct traffic. If you’re frustrated with the content, then start a topic and see if it flies.

    If you don’t want to talk about the greatness of the Canucks, don’t respond to DSF. And understand he’s having fun doing this, and if you’re not then that’s a shame.

    I sincerely hope everyone enjoys their evening, whether it be here or elsewhere. But remember, you are the author of your evening.

    Not me.

    It’s like inviting everyone to your house
    But telling them don’t mind the guy pissing on the rug
    I mean it’s your house and your rug
    But at some point you may find an empty house and a soaked rug

  70. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m confused, is Hughes a prospect or a game changer?

    So, are all decent top 6 forwards considered game changers?

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m confused, is Hughes a prospect or a game changer?

    So, are all decent top 6 forwards considered game changers?

    At the moment he’s both.
    This is not hard to understand unless you concede that a player taken a few spots later in the draft is neither a difference maker nor a top prospect.

  71. Harpers Hair says:

    I see the mob is circling again.

    You should be ashamed of yourselves.

    I”m out.

  72. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair:
    I see the mob is circling again.

    I”m out.

    If we ever want circular arguments that go nowhere over teams we don’t care about we know where to find you

  73. unca miltie says:

    LT will never have an empty house because he is a brilliant writer about our team,. Those that mess on the rug should leave but if not, then we just have to ignore them because they do not have the ability to harm the rug.

  74. SVR says:

    Every other team minus but SJS coming hard.

    Called it. This is too easy

  75. Oz says:

    duct tape and foil:
    This site has become unreadable with 75% of content HH trolling and responses to the troll. It’s your site LT but it will not be worth reading if this keeps up.

    I second this 100%
    The contributors responding to HH are playing down to his level. You are much better players than that

  76. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer: It’s like inviting everyone to your house
    But telling them don’t mind the guy pissing on the rug
    I mean it’s your house and your rug
    But at some point you may find an empty house and a soaked rug

    Haha. I am fine with that, leadfarmer. There was no one here when I began writing, and if there’s no one here at the end then I’ll still have gained decades of enjoyment.

  77. Reja says:

    –hudson–: Wasn’t Kurri also behind Iiro Pakarinen and Lennart Petrell?

    If you ask any Finnish hockey fans about their thoughts on Matti Virmanen (Oilers Euro scout) they give you the impression he’s the Chiarelli of the old Sm-Liiga.

    Anyway I’ve digressed… go Mikko!

    Those are minimum blackjack gambles. I actually liked both players and both could penalty kill from what I remember with Liro possessing a hard shot. It’s such a fine line between making it in the NHL as a Fouth liner.

  78. kdc says:

    I have a good friend who’s a flames fan.(not really sure how he got to be a friend) he constantly tells me the oilers run of good fortune will come to an end right away, while making HH’s excuses about injuries etc etc etc. The standings are the standings guys. Just how it is. I thank the hockey gords EVERY night that I am so fortunate to watch Connor, win, lose, or bettman point in Oilers blue and orange!

  79. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide: Haha. I am fine with that, leadfarmer. There was no one here when I began writing, and if there’s no one here at the end then I’ll still have gained decades of enjoyment.

    That
    Or telling the guy peeing on the rug to maybe pee elsewhere
    Both are possible options

  80. OilClog says:

    James Neal is as much a game changer as anyone on Vancouver. No one on the Canucks roster has more goals then James Neal. Goals is the hardest thing to obtain in the NHL, he has more then anyone on the Vancouver Canucks. If goals win you games, and games won is the most important factor of all factors, James Neal is a game changer.

    Wins, Edmonton has 17, 2 more then anyone else. Vancouver has 13. They’re 5th in the standings, falling rather then climbing. Their hopes fall on second tier stars, rookie defence, and a timeless tradition of being the drunk bridesmaid.

    It’s humorous watching someone try to support their piss soaked rugs.

    Oscar Klefbom is a game changer, he’s firmly entrenched into smashing through his ceiling. He’s recieving praise around the league and is seriously impacting and changing the game with his abundance of minutes he chews up.

    Nuge is a game changer, with 93 the Oilers are able to load up 97/29 all game and usually have the opponents on their heals with or without a lead. Again 17 wins, 2 more then anyone else in the division. And if all games played were equal, no one has enough games left to catch.

    With 93 dragging along anyone and everyone.97/29 are leading the league in scoring by a wide margin. Oilers had an amped game and Gagner was able to saw off competition for a game. Oilers lose 2 by straight allowing 10 goals. Tipps breaks up the Duo and for 1 game their able to to have some short term success and beat Vancouver in their own rink leaving them no closer in the standings then they were on Friday.

    The track is getting shorter, the bettman coins shorten it even more, Vancouver is already running out of time.

    Vancouver has 13 wins in 28 games, if they had 5 legit game changers they wouldn’t be 5th in the division.

    Vacouver sucks and the piss soak carpet salesman are pathetically cute. I imagine the show will hit the road soon and land in Vegreville near January.

  81. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer: That
    Or telling the guy peeing on the rug to maybe pee elsewhere
    Both are possible options

    I have found that it doesn’t work. If I ban people, or ask them to leave then a group of posters miss them. We’re a community and not everyone gets along. I don’t think it’s too much to ask posters to skim over items they don’t enjoy.

  82. Dr. Taboggan says:

    If you don’t want to talk about the greatness of the Canucks, don’t respond to DSF. And understand he’s having fun doing this, and if you’re not then that’s a shame.

    Ding, ding, ding!

  83. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide: I have found that it doesn’t work. If I ban people, or ask them to leave then a group of posters miss them.We’re a community and not everyone gets along. I don’t think it’s too much to ask posters to skim over items they don’t enjoy.

    Except that’s really hard to ignore 60% of the blog some days
    Also I don’t ever recall anyone asking about where DSF was for the 12 years I’ve been here
    It was more like don’t say his name 3 times or he may reappear

  84. Side says:

    leadfarmer: That
    Or telling the guy peeing on the rug to maybe pee elsewhere
    Both are possible options

    If only the guy peeing on the rug would do some self-reflection and take accountability for his actions and decide to change his ways by using the urinal instead. Instead of said guy cryin about a mob who will not let him pee on the rug while others insist we just look away and maybe if no one watches him and covers their ears and plugs their noses, that he will stop or find another rug to pee on elsewhere.

  85. Material Elvis says:

    Sean Avery is online shaming an old coach for poor behavior.

    DSF is online shaming other posters for inflammatory comments.

    “Ladies and gentlemen, the train has arrived in Hypocrisyland. Next stop….Bizarro World.”

  86. Pouzar says:

    Great…gotta get up to pee now.

  87. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer: Except that’s really hard to ignore 60% of the blog some days
    Also I don’t ever recall anyone asking about where DSF was for the 12 years I’ve been here
    It was more like don’t say his name 3 times or he may reappear

    Oh no, I assure you, people missed him. They really did. DSF is a good fellow all told and he, like you, has a strong opinion and would like to be heard. I understand you wouldn’t run the blog this way and I know most sites don’t have this blog’s mission statement.

    Let me tell you a story. The week my Mom died there was a three day storm that blew through here. I couldn’t get to the blog until well past midnight each evening and had to spend about an hour each night deleting posts and fixing my blog.

    I asked people to stop, explaining my mom was ill, and most tried but there were a few who couldn’t resist hammering away at each other.

    Nothing changed.

    Leadfarmer, if I ban one person then six months from now it’ll be someone else. Avoid the posts you don’t enjoy, and share your considerable knowledge and life experience with the group. I hope you do, it’s one of the reasons I love reading the comments on this blog.

  88. Material Elvis says:

    Lowetide: I have found that it doesn’t work. If I ban people, or ask them to leave then a group of posters miss them.We’re a community and not everyone gets along. I don’t think it’s too much to ask posters to skim over items they don’t enjoy.

    They start stalking you LT, don’t they. Be honest.

  89. Johnny skid says:

    OilClog: Vacouver sucks and the piss soak carpet salesman are pathetically cute.

    this is true and very very funny.

  90. northerndancer says:

    OilClog,

    I believe that this post should be considered a passionate, effectiveshit and perhaps slightly over the top shit kicking. A beat down. A stomp. Done on the front lawn, sparing the carpet. I must admit to enjoying it very much more than I should.

  91. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide,

    People always argue with each other
    I mean it’s the internet after all
    But I’ve never encountered another person here whose goal was to destroy something others enjoy
    He’s a die hard anti-fan
    And desperately needs all things Oilers to fail

  92. Lowetide says:

    Well, one thing is certain this thread isn’t fun for anyone. Perhaps we’ll have a better day tomorrow.

  93. geowal says:

    OriginalPouzar: The above is very much true but its not the entire story – as per Wooley via Gregor, there have been numerous technical changes to his game, at least 3 or 4, that have made a big difference.

    A bit late, you may not see, I didn’t mean to give Koskinen no credit for work he put in, I’m sure he worked hard to improve. I just think it would’ve been all for naught without Tippett. Jmho.

  94. geowal says:

    Justthestatsman: My memory is poor, but my recollection was that Bobby N had indicated he or the management group had signed off on the Koskinen deal at the press conference.to announce the Chia firing.Anyone else remember it that way?

    I thought he threw Chia under the bus, what really happened we can’t say.

  95. geowal says:

    The problem is it’s a Monday with no game on so most folks aren’t in the mood for discussing their favourite Scotch, so new and creative views of the standings are apparently interesting. Although I just got back from the local brewery so maybe that doesn’t hold up either…

  96. Reja says:

    geowal: A bit late, you may not see, I didn’t mean to give Koskinen no credit for work he put in, I’m sure he worked hard to improve. I just think it would’ve been all for naught without Tippett. Jmho.

    Have you noticed Kosh’s puck handling abilities his calmness this doesn’t happen in my opinion without Tippett and Smith. The mob can whine and cry about Smith all they want but he’s done a hell of a job mentoring as well as sharing the net with Kosh. Mark my words, Smith If healthy will go on a timely heater before everything is said and done.

  97. geowal says:

    Reja: Have you noticed Kosh’s puck handling abilities his calmness this doesn’t happen in my opinion without Tippett and Smith. The mob can whine and cry about Smith all they want but he’s done a hell of a job mentoring as well as sharingthe net with Kosh.Mark my words, Smith If healthy will go on a timely heater before everything is said and done.

    Yeah it seems better, you would certainly think Smith has an influence.The fact that most want Koskinen to get a majority of games going forward is a product of all the things that have helped him improve, including his handling/sharing with Smith

  98. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Nowhere is perfect.

    We all reach a gut full in our own way at times.

    The way I get sick of here is different from anything I’ve seen mentioned.

    So I do something else, and miss the community.

    If my line gets crossed too far I’ll be done.

    With thanks to the host and all, does anyone really care? Who pines for the historic legends of the commentator community anymore? As in employed by NHL teams now?

    Don’t overestimate your own importance in the world of things. They chug on or die out.

  99. HT Joe says:

    Glovjuice: HT Joe

    Thanks Glovjuice!

  100. HT Joe says:

    TheOrangeDesk:
    HT Joe,
    I know, its home theatre, but the below link is a a good guide on home audio.. I have the fluance speakers and I LOVE them. you may need a pre-amp for your turn-table depending on when it was made.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Zeos/comments/5zt8mw/guide_surround_sound_51/

    Thanks TheOrangeDesk!

  101. Reja says:

    geowal: Yeah it seems better, you would certainly think Smith has an influence.The fact that most want Koskinen to get a majority of games going forward is a product of all the things that have helped him improve, including his handling/sharing with Smith

    Kosh is way more comfortable this year he’s not over playing the shooter and it looks like he’s solved the yipes on his glove hand. I sure hope Smith isn’t out for long if they have to pump Kosh like Hitchcock did last year it could get messy.

  102. ChiliChunk says:

    Reja: You have a lot of Gall calling B.J Macdonald a shrub

    lol

  103. jp says:

    Lowetide: Oh no, I assure you, people missed him. They really did. DSF is a good fellow all told and he, like you, has a strong opinion and would like to be heard. I understand you wouldn’t run the blog this way and I know most sites don’t have this blog’s mission statement.

    Let me tell you a story. The week my Mom died there was a three day storm that blew through here. I couldn’t get to the blog until well past midnight each evening and had to spend about an hour each night deleting posts andfixing my blog.

    I asked people to stop, explaining my mom was ill, and most tried but there were a few who couldn’t resist hammering away at each other.

    Nothing changed.

    Leadfarmer, if I ban one person then six months from now it’ll be someone else. Avoid the posts you don’t enjoy, and share your considerable knowledge and life experience with the group. I hope you do, it’s one of the reasons I love reading the comments on this blog.

    FWIW (maybe nothing), I think this is a good way.

  104. deardylan says:

    Maybe we can ask the people peeing all over LT place, why they are peeing?

    1. Bladders are too full
    2. They are bored with toilets
    3. Too much drinkin’
    4. They hate peeing alone
    5. If they dont pee they might die of uric acid
    6. They want to make sure they have at least one hole working
    7. They hate this blog, space, internet, world, universeand want to watch it burn down while they pee on it.
    8. They cant aim
    9. They are grade A dinks
    10. Time to pee all over the top 9 and go to sleep.

  105. Henry says:

    geowal:
    The problem is it’s a Monday with no game on so most folks aren’t in the mood for discussing their favourite Scotch, so new and creative views of the standings are apparently interesting. Although I just got back from the local brewery so maybe that doesn’t hold up either…

    I have spent the evening drinking Glenglassaugh ‘Evolution’ and enjoying a good mn football game. And enjoying the blog as well, arguments and all. I highly recommend that scotch though it is hard to find. Like Highland Park, it is good at everything.

    I find Mr HH pretty entertaining too, though I am among the planet’s mostest biggest Oiler fans. The community on this blog brings a lot of Alberta’s diaspora together. It, and its scribe, should be appreciated and respected, but salt adds flavour too. Just dont add too much, you know?

  106. HT Joe says:

    Lowetide: Oh no, I assure you, people missed him. They really did. DSF is a good fellow all told and he, like you, has a strong opinion and would like to be heard. I understand you wouldn’t run the blog this way and I know most sites don’t have this blog’s mission statement.

    For what it’s worth (not much I suspect), I would miss Harper’s Hair if he was driven / forced out. His posts are fun and pokey.

    He’s not a fan of the Oilers? Why should he be… the Oilers have been a dogshit organization for a decade or so, and it’s amusing to see someone take the piss out of them on a regular basis. Why can’t we cheer for a team with an objectively terrible track record (playoffs once since Katz bought the team) while also tolerating the team’s detractors…

    Also, whenever I’ve interacted with him directly through this blog, he’s seemed thoughtful and decent.

  107. Numenius says:

    Ryan: I’ve always defended DSF here in part because I’m immune to his antics and because I value dissenting opinions.

    Dissenting opinions are perfectly fine, and DSF has some intelligent ones.

    it’s the toxic “tone” that he often (but not always) communicates that’s the main problem. This baits other people into replying in an equally toxic way and as a result, the thread becomes toxic.

    For my part, I think it would be better for all involved for something to change.

    There are three solutions that I can see.

    1) Posters should stop engaging with DSF unless they can do so very diplomatically and very occasionally. This would likely work, but it’s difficult to do because it’s hard to convince so many people to do so, and some people can’t help themselves (e.g. OP, who is diplomatic but not occasional!).

    2) DSF should voluntarily choose to stop posting here, or at least do it rarely. This would work and he has done this before, to his credit.

    3) DSF should politely be talked to and asked to refrain from posting here. This would also work, but I know our diplomatic host is hesitant to do so because he values the individual and knows some posters appreciate his contributions.

    It’s a tough one. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out this time.

  108. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: I see the mob is circling again.

    Staggering again, more like.

  109. Jethro Tull says:

    This’ll cheer yez up!

    Second year curler, first year skip.

    Enjoy Ice Golf immensely.

    Get ass handed to us tonight, first time shut out. Monday is supposed to be beginners night.

    These guys have been Sam Gagner-ing there for 15+ years. Big fish, small pond.

    They are up 10-0 in 5th, still sweeping our scoring shot through, and in the 6th, measuring if they get 3 or 4.

    Go to pub. Have very nice NEIPA from Peace River Brewing. Get called in to work.

    Bunch of programming done during day on PLC preventing “thread up”. Guy not answering phone.

    Need more beer.

    The end.

  110. duct tape and foil says:

    Lowetide: I have found that it doesn’t work. If I ban people, or ask them to leave then a group of posters miss them.We’re a community and not everyone gets along. I don’t think it’s too much to ask posters to skim over items they don’t enjoy.

    Bit hard when it’s half the content. But it’s up to you, and I understand you’ve got other things going on. A lot of good posters will certainly move on though.

  111. hunter1909 says:

    LOL @ the Lowetide Pitchforks and Torches Club. That same poster wound people up the same way before and got the exact same result.

  112. hunter1909 says:

    HT Joe: He’s not a fan of the Oilers? Why should he be… the Oilers have been a dogshit organization for a decade or so, and it’s amusing to see someone take the piss out of them on a regular basis. Why can’t we cheer for a team with an objectively terrible track record (playoffs once since Katz bought the team) while also tolerating the team’s detractors…

    …Probably because Oilers are currently leading the Division. Because the schtick remains identical from last time, for some people, the trolling comes off as borderline pathological.

  113. hunter1909 says:

    …like the high school dropout who keeps turning up at recess.

  114. Lowetide says:

    duct tape and foil: Bit hard when it’s half the content. But it’s up to you, and I understand you’ve got otherthings going on. A lot of good posters will certainly move on though.

    And I wish them well and thank them genuinely for coming to visit.

  115. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Oilers’ No. 4 prospect winter 2019: Tyler Benson

    https://theathletic.com/1427116/2019/12/03/lowetide-oilers-no-4-prospect-winter-2019-tyler-benson/

  116. Pouzar says:

    Update:

    They called me again. Upped their offer another 4k.
    Only a 16k deficit now! ugh.

  117. ArmchairGM says:

    Open Forum

    What do you think of Mikael Granlund as a potential “buy-low” candidate either in-season or in the summer?

    He’s a 27-year-old skill winger (turns 28 right after the deadline) who has been struggling to put points up with Nashville, whom he was traded to at the 2019 deadline. He becomes a UFA next summer.

    Trade: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/205441

    Scouting report: “A smart playmaker with excellent vision. Works hard, can skate and shoot. Blessed with great hockey sense and hands, he can score highlight-reel goals. Is extremely versatile. Is undersized, so he must prove capable of withstanding the constant pounding in North America over the long haul.”

    http://sportsforecaster.com/nhl/player/8408

  118. jp says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Open Forum

    What do you think of Mikael Granlund as a potential “buy-low” candidate either in-season or in the summer?

    He’s a 27-year-old skill winger (turns 28 right after the deadline) who has been struggling to put points up with Nashville, whom he was traded to at the 2019 deadline. He becomes a UFA next summer.

    Trade: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/205441

    Scouting report:“A smart playmaker with excellent vision. Works hard, can skate and shoot. Blessed with great hockey sense and hands, he can score highlight-reel goals. Is extremely versatile. Is undersized, so he must prove capable of withstanding the constant pounding in North America over the long haul.”

    http://sportsforecaster.com/nhl/player/8408

    Would that mean little bro Markus returns too?

    Mikael clearly has skill. And the Oilers have an open slot to too. I doubt the price falls far enough to be worth it though, the man makes damn close to $6M today.

  119. frjohnk says:

    ArmchairGM: Mikael Granlund

    Not sure why Nashville would trade him now.

    He is only a few points off his season average.

    Nashville has, in my opinion, the deepest forward group in the league and could be contributing to why he is not scoring as his usual self. Their time to win is now, not sure they would trade a guy like Granlund.

    Put it another way, lets say the Oilers had a deep roster and their time to win was now. They had a guy who was UFA season after, was not putting up the points as usual at the beginning of the year. But with this guy, they can run 4 lines against anybody. Would it wise to trade this guy for picks/prospects?

  120. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Petterson is a gamechanger (past 2 seasons 2.40 5x5pts/60min).
    Boeser is a good winger, a great one perhaps, but not a gamechanger (2017-present 2.00 5x5pts/60min).
    Horvat is a great 2-way C but no where near Kopitar, Bergeron, nor Barkov even. He’s not a gamechanger (past 2 seasons 1.64 5x5pts/60min).
    Miller is good, but has never demonstrated gamechanging abilities. He’s a complimentary player for a good top-6 (at best) – (past 2 seasons 1.80 5x5pts/60min).

    McDavid – past 3 years 3.04 5x5pts/60mins
    Draisaitl – past 3 years 2.64 5x5pts/60mins
    Kucherov – past 3 years 3.09 5x5pts/60mins
    Kane – past 3 years 2.48 5x5pts/60mins
    Matt Duchene – past 3 years 2.26 5x5pts/60mins (what I’d consider the cutoff for ‘gamechanger’, and that’s pretty low)

    The typical valuation model on this blog has 2pts/60min as the cutoff for a top 3 player. You seem to be overvaluing all the forwards discussed to a significant degree. If you’ve got another model of valuation, I’d be interested to know what it is because it sure looks like eye-test-esque.

  121. ArmchairGM says:

    frjohnk: Not sure why Nashville would trade him now.

    He is only a few points off his season average.

    Nashville has, in my opinion, the deepest forward group in the league and could be contributing to why he is not scoring as his usual self.Their time to win is now, not sure they would trade a guy like Granlund.

    Put it another way, lets say the Oilers had a deep roster and their time to win was now.They had a guy who was UFA season after, was not putting up the points as usual at the beginning of the year.But with this guy, they can run 4 lines against anybody.Would it wise to trade this guy for picks/prospects?

    That’s why I said “either in-season or in the summer.” And a few points off his season average? He’s on pace for 35, his career average is 54 (per 82) and average of the past 3 seasons is 66 (per 82). He’s WAY off pace.

  122. Admiral Ackbar says:

    To further HH’s assertion that Bo Horvat is a ‘gamechanger’. I’d like to compare him to the best 2-way Cs that are out there. If you want to criticize my comparables, feel free.

    5×5 pts/60mins from 2017-18 to present

    Kopitar 1.90
    Toews 1.86
    Krejci 2.24
    Barkov 2.39
    Bergeron 2.40

    Horvat 1.64 (from the past 2 seasons only, to zoom his numbers)

    Yikes. But HH thinks that Horvat is a ‘gamechanger’. Good grief.

  123. frjohnk says:

    ArmchairGM: And a few points off his season average?

    He has 11 points in 26 games

    If he had 17 or so in 26 games, he would be near his career average. This is what I was referring to.

    26 games is a small sample compared to a whole season. In a small sample, guys can go on hot streaks, cold streaks. I dont know enough of what is going on, but a quick peak and it looks like he is playing top 6 minutes and PP1. He is scoring 0.93 points on the PP. I would imagine this would get a bump up in a bigger sample size.

  124. ArmchairGM says:

    frjohnk: He has 11 points in 26 games

    If he had 17 or so in 26 games, he would be near his career average. This is what I was referring to.

    26 games is a small sample compared to a whole season.In a small sample, guys can go on hot streaks, cold streaks.I dont know enough of what is going on, but a quick peak and it looks like he is playing top 6 minutes and PP1.He is scoring 0.93 points on the PP.I would imagine this would get a bump up in a bigger sample size.

    He also played 16 games for NSH last year and scored 1 goal + 4 assists in that span. Plus 6 playoff games where he added 1 goal + 1 assist. This is a marriage that is not working out. They may be willing to trade him in-season for another piece that might fit better.

  125. frjohnk says:

    ArmchairGM: He also played 16 games for NSH last year and scored 1 goal + 4 assists in that span. Plus 6 playoff games where he added 1 goal + 1 assist. This is a marriage that is not working out. They may be willing to trade him in-season for another piece that might fit better.

    I understand where you are coming from and if Nashville was not a playoff team, then I totally agree with you.

  126. HT Joe says:

    hunter1909:
    …like the high school dropout who keeps turning up at recess.

    HH has never wedgied any of the posters here.

    Using a high school analogy, HH is more like the comic book fan who is pushing the greatness of DC or Dark Horse comics, while the majority of his classmates are reading Marvel comics, and don’t want to read non-Marvel comics.

    HH “Oh you’re reading the story line with Thanos? He’s just a derivative of Jack Kirby’s Darkseid”
    *general community* “Go away troll, Thanos is better. We’re a Marvel comic book community in this sub-basement of the high school. Which comic books do you read anyways? Last week it was Dark Horse, this week it’s DC. Several months ago, you were reading Dreamwave comics *pukes*. I hate those guys”
    HH “Marvel has lost its edge… sure the comics are strong right now, but if you take Spiderman out of the equation, DC sales are way better”
    *general community* “But Spiderman IS part of Marvel, and his merchandise outsells Batman’s and Superman’s combined”
    HH “Yeah, but Spiderman isn’t really part of the MCU, his rights are owned by Sony”
    *general community* “We weren’t talking about the movies, just the comic books”
    HH “Chris Nolan’s take on Batman is better than anything from the MCU”
    *general community* “Go away. No movies”
    HH …
    *general community* …
    HH “Indigo comics are suitable for a more sophisticated comic book enthusiast… you wouldn’t get it”
    *general community* AGGGGGH

    I mean, at the end of the day, HH is still talking hockey. Assuming you understand its a game and you don’t let yourself get upset, the worst that could happen is that you may better understand if his criticisms are fair, or learn enough that you know his criticisms aren’t true and why.

  127. ArmchairGM says:

    frjohnk: I understand where you are coming from and if Nashville was not a playoff team, then I totally agree with you.

    They aren’t. I’m thinking they may want to shake things up a bit, this could be a possible piece out.

  128. jp says:

    ArmchairGM: They aren’t. I’m thinking they may want to shake things up a bit, this could be a possible piece out.

    I imagine it wouldn’t be too difficult to persuade Nashville to move Granlund and his $5.75M salary in season.

    The Oilers would have to make some significant moves to clear salary for him though. Is he a players you’re going to make multiple move to fit in? I don’t know. I guess Nashville could use a RD like Larsson though… Hmmm

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