2019-20 Game 36: Oilers at Stars

The Oilers are in a slump and that means lots of new things to talk about today. The Pacific Division penthouse has a new occupant, the Oilers are hanging on to a playoff spot by a thread and the “in the playoffs at American Thanksgiving” line in the sand seems like both a distant bell and a cruel joke.

One of the things I’d like to discuss is this: When should the Oilers recall one of the prospect forwards from the Bakersfield Condors?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide: Connor McDavid’s frustration and the impact it could have on the Edmonton Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers need to figure out five-on-five woes quickly, starting with Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl
  • Lowetide: Who should be the next man up from the Bakersfield Condors?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: 10 subscriber questions for Oilers rookie defenceman Ethan Bear
  • Lowetide: Five loud noises Ken Holland could make to help the Oilers immediately
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers recall Caleb Jones, one of their most plausible trade chips
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘These games are not coming back’: Oilers lament frustrating week at home
  • Jonathan Willis: Dave Tippett rewarded for his bets on the resilience of Mikko Koskinen, Oilers
  • Lowetide: How many value contracts do the Oilers have and are any more on the way?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland responds to allegations that Mike Babcock mistreated players in Detroit
  • Jonathan Willis: How will Hart voters choose between Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How the Oilers turned team defence from a weakness into a strength
  • Lowetide: Eight assets the Oilers could use to acquire Taylor Hall
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 5 prospect, Winter 2019 — Raphael Lavoie
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 4 prospect winter 2019: Tyler Benson
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 prospect winter 2019: Ethan Bear
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 2 prospect winter 2019: Philip Broberg
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 1 prospect winter 2019: Evan Bouchard

OILERS AFTER 36 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 15-18-3, 33 points; goal differential -16
  • Oilers in 2016: 18-12-6, 42 points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in 2017: 17-17-2, 36 points; goal differential -5
  • Oilers in 2018: 18-15-3, 39 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in 2019: 18-13-4, 40 points; goal differential -2

The 2016 Oilers are going to romp now, this race will get old in a hurry. That said, a win tonight gets Edmonton back to even with the truly good McDavid club. That goal differential needs some help, too.

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 6-2-0, 12 points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in December 2016: 3-2-3, nine points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in December 2017: 5-3-0, 10 points; goal differential +7
  • Oilers in December 2018: 5-1-1, 11 points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in December 2019: 2-4-1, five points; goal differential -8

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just isn’t the same! Edmonton needs three 5-1 wins in a row. Stat!

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: OTT, LAK, BUF, CAR (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 1-2-1)
  • On the road to: MIN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: TOR (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: DAL, STL (Expected 0-2-0)
  • At home to: PIT, MTL (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 0-0-1)
  • At home to: CAL, NYR (Expected 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-6-2, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 2-4-1, 5 points in 7 games

I have the Oilers going 2-4-1 now through the end of the month, meaning the club would finish 4-8-2, 10 points. The record for the year would be 20-17-5, 45 points in 42 games. After the strength of the first two months, that’s a disappointing record to contemplate.

OILERS FORWARDS FIVE ON FIVE SCORING

One of the arguments against recalling Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson or other Bakersfield Condors is lack of offense. That’s more difficult to argue when the current group is so bad compared to the rest of the NHL. Here, let me show you. There are 375 forwards who have played 180 or more five on five minutes so far this season, that’s basically four lines (12 forwards) per team. If you’re a first-line forward, you should be among the 93 (31 times C, L, R) offensive scorers at five on five, right? Here are Edmonton’s No. 1 line forwards:

No. 6 Leon Draisaitl [3.12]

No. 12 Connor McDavid [3.04]

No. 28 Zack Kassian [2.54]

That’s a complete No. 1 line, and contains two of the best offensive forwards in the game, plus a solid complementary forward having a career year. No room at the Inn for any minor leaguer here. Now, let’s look at the second line forwards (94-186):

No. 104 Sam Gagner [1.98]

Oops! That’s it. Just one player qualifies as an offensive second line forward, and Mr. Gagner is also a complementary type with some defensive issues. Still, he’s bona fide and that has value. Now, No. 187-279, the third liners:

No. 272 Gaetan Haas [1.24]

Oh, come ON! You have to be kidding me! Where is everyone? Yes, the Oilers follow up having just one second line player with just one third liner (by average). And that means (you guessed it) a large group who provide fourth line offense (279-372):

No. 294 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins [1.11]

No. 314 Joakim Nygard [1.00]

No. 319 Jujhar Khaira [0.98]

No. 336 Markus Granlund [0.88]

No. 343 Patrick Russell [0.83]

No. 346 James Neal [0.81]

No. 355 Alex Chiasson [0.73]

No. 366 Riley Sheahan [0.41]

No. 373 Josh Archibald [0.23]

Read ’em and weep! THREE LINES of fourth liners!!! OMG. I kid of course, but the point is worth making. If the Oilers are going to keep the kids out, then the older set surely has to deliver something that resembles NHL average. Fair?

I know someone will mention PK, so the top six PK forwards could be Leon Draisaitl, Riley Sheahan, Josh Archibald, Nuge, Jujhar Khaira and Markus Granlund. That means Joakim Nygard, James Neal and Alex Chiasson are voted off the island. But you know, Neal has had injury issues and Chiasson is a veteran, and Nygard has shown flashes. Could we exchange Patrick Russell for Benson? Yamamoto? I think we’re getting there. All numbers NST.

TONIGHT

The only game these two teams have played resulted in a 5-4 OT win for Dallas on November 16 at Rogers. Jujhar Khaira scored twice in that game. Last season Edmonton went 1-1-1 against the Stars. Dallas is 5-3-2 in their last 10, the Oilers 3-6-1.

PUCK IQ INNOVATION

The giant brains at Puck IQ have gifted us with another set of items that will rock our world. These are what I will call (from today forward) Sledgehammer: The New Testament. Here are Oilers defensemen using FO/60 (faceoffs per 60 at five on five):

We see Adam Larsson, Ethan Bear and Darnell Nurse getting the most faceoffs per 60 against elites, while Caleb Jones and Matt Benning get fewer. This also tells us that Benning and Jones would be getting more “on the fly” shift starts, they usually occur with the puck heading north. What this tells me is that Dave Tippett is using the defensemen in a logical way, although Oscar Klefbom can (and has been lately) take on more of the load.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. It’s a big show to begin a big week. Sean Shapiro from The Athletic leads things off at 10:20, we’ll chat about a fascinating year so far for the Dallas Stars. Jason Gregor from TSN1260’s Jason Gregor Show tees up tonight’s game at 11, and then Chris Meaney from The Athletic will pop in to talk NFL weekend and the Monday Nighter. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. Harpers Hair says:

    ArmchairGM: Phil Kessel for James Neal, straight up. AZ is right at the limit for next year with only 16 guys signed, they’ll need the cap space Neal brings.

    Kessel has an 8 team no trade clause.

    You can bet Edmonton is on it.

  2. barry.moore23 says:

    Watching Colorado vs St. Louis. Man, that is some fun to watch hockey.

  3. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny: Nurse is nowhere near the size of Chara, Myers, Oleksiak, Polak, Byfuglien, etc. and is actually about 15 lbs lighter than Ovechkin, while only about an inch taller.

    While we are seeing some emphasis being put on the skill of defensive draftees, as a whole the League is much bigger than it was in the 90s.

    Yes, I was referring to the D in the Hall trade. My point being unless he’s an exceptional athlete he’s going to be a reach to have a long NHL career.

    Reminds me of the Oilers Lucic hunting. Which I believe the Dys were up to signing Myers. The Chara solution for Hughes I imagine was the idea.

  4. Munny says:

    Thank you Cogs

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nuge’s hand cannot be 100% – not shooting like he normally can, not handling the puck like he normally can.

    Damn.

  6. Munny says:

    Larsson beast moded there

  7. Lowetide says:

    Kassian scored.

  8. Munny says:

    Oilers were prepared for that forecheck at the blue line but not really. Stars get some extended zone time out of the disruption.

  9. Gerta Rauss says:

    oh Mama!

  10. jp says:

    Lovely passes all around there!

  11. Munny says:

    Kass raises his shooting percentage to somewhere in the 70s, lol.

  12. Lowetide says:

    Fine defensive play by Oscar who needed to make a fine defensive play.

  13. Gerta Rauss says:

    was that Klefbom pinching again…yikes

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    Beautiful goal – what a great pass by McDavid to Kassian – great job by Kass to find the soft area.

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    Amazing back check by Klef on the 4 on 1 – another bad pinch by Klef to create the break but what a job to make up for it.

  16. jp says:

    Nice play by Jones to draw the PP.

  17. Munny says:

    Thank you Benn!

  18. jp says:

    Great goal! Lovely pass by Chiasson! So far so good

  19. Munny says:

    jp,

    Outstanding pass.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a gorgeous PP goal – that was a set play and good on Chiasson for making that pass the Drai for, essentially, an empty net goal.

  21. who says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think JP and Jones + 2020 2nd has way more value.

    Wheatnoil mentioned that Shero is probably under pressure on via optics and a 1st looks better while it’s not in reality.

    JP is gone anyhow and has the value of ~mid 2nd.EDM can afford to lose Jones for a player who you want to sign in the summer imo.

    I would have done that.

    I wouldn’t have done the 1st without winning a round condition but then I pull back JP or Jones.

    I wouldn’t have done Broberg, Bouchard.

    Yeah but the 3 pieces in total seems like too much.
    Couldn’t you get more value than 4 months of Hall if you targeted another player with those assets?

  22. Dicky94 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Chiasson starting to play better last few games.

  23. Munny says:

    Haas took a hit from Polak and stayed on his feet!

    lol but not on the second hit.

  24. Munny says:

    Thank you, Comeau!

  25. Gerta Rauss says:

    DAL with their 3rd penalty this period

    We can stick the knife in here

  26. Dicky94 says:

    Finish them here boys.

  27. docweb says:

    Absolutely love the camera angle in Dallas!

  28. Munny says:

    Had to know…

  29. who says:

    drglen:
    Holland made the right call here. The other thing is, Hall is not worth as much as he/they thought he was.. (just like JP is not worth as much as he/we think he is, on a much lower level).

    Think NBA… Raptors now lakers… we’ve got our big two.. we need that third .. that swing player… aka DANNY GREEN.Nuge, is not that guy.We need somebody better than Nuge and pay 6-7 for that kind of quality.

    That would be Pageau.This is the guy we need and you can give up Jones, JP,and Yam, to get him.

    Pageau is better than Nuge?
    I know he’s having a good year but that seems like a reach.

  30. Lowetide says:

    After One:

    2-0 Edmonton
    13-9 Edmonton shots
    15-11 Dallas Corsi five on five
    ==

    A fine period by the Oilers, the Stars had some chances but Koskinen was solid. There are 40 minutes to go (at least) but that was rock solid.

  31. Todd Macallan says:

    I’m quite sure this is public knowledge on this blog but currently on a NL to Yukon layover in Van and watching the game at the Black Frog. Oilers bar, heavily so, in the heart of Gastown, highly recommend!

  32. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Beautiful goal – what a great pass by McDavid to Kassian – great job by Kass to find the soft area.

    Nurse to McDavid before that too.

  33. Oil2Oilers says:

    Swedish hockey players tend to look like Caribbean pirates not Nordic Vikings. Nygard’s scar is right out of central casting.

  34. stephenw24 says:

    Good to see Chiasson get in on the scoring, hopefully he can go on a second half heater. He has good presence in front of the net for screening, tip ins and cross crease passes. He throws the odd decent body check too.

  35. stephenw24 says:

    There is not much to like in the bottom six but I hope they put Jujhar in a position to get that wrist shot off more, that guy has a heavy wrister for generating rebounds.

  36. godot10 says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    DAL with their 3rd penalty thisperiod

    We can stick the knife in here

    Like last time! -).

  37. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Amazing back check by Klef on the 4 on 1 – another bad pinch by Klef to create the break but what a job to make up for it.

    Klefbom made a horrible pinch there. 3 forwards deep you just have to back off.
    Having said that, it seems to me the coaching staff really wants the defense to pinch every chance they get. Most coaches do.
    But the Oiler forwards are terrible at recognizing the pinch and covering for the dman. Half of them seem to stop at the top of the circles and hope the puck bounces to them. Instead of skating back outside the ozone ahead of the Dallas forwards.
    It’s a huge problem on this team.

  38. jp says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Swedish hockey players tend to look like Caribbean pirates not Nordic Vikings. Nygard’s scar is right out of central casting.

    Klefbom?

  39. jp says:

    Amazing stop by Koskinen on Seguin. Didn’t realize the puck made it on net in real time!

  40. stephenw24 says:

    With Klefbom playing so many minutes I hope they give Bear the odd shift on PP1. Would be interesting to watch

  41. Oil2Oilers says:

    jp: Klefbom?

    Not sure if he is Viking or Pirate, I am glad he gave up his modeling career to play hockey. I half expect him to be in those overwrought Xmas perfume commercials.

  42. Professor Q says:

    I wouldn’t mind a Kovalchuk signing.

  43. Munny says:

    Can these refs travel with us?

  44. godot10 says:

    Professor Q:
    I wouldn’t mind a Kovalchuk signing.

    I notice this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilcRS5eUpwk

  45. Munny says:

    Stars decide to start checking…

  46. jp says:

    Professor Q:
    I wouldn’t mind a Kovalchuk signing.

    Doesn’t he already have a contract?

  47. gogliano says:

    Russell sure knows how to lose a zone exit.

  48. Munny says:

    Neal needed to smash at that with his backhand.

  49. Lowetide says:

    After Two:

    2-0 Edmonton (no scoring in the second period)
    20-17 Edmonton shots (8-8 in the second period)
    31-20 Dallas Corsi five on five(16-9 in the second)

    ==

    Dallas has been undisciplined so far tonight, they’ll need to stay out of the box in the third period. Oilers four lines are between 4:49 and 6:31 as units, that’s a fascinating deployment. Including all situations, CMD is 12:36 and Leon is 12:03 after two. Both should have plenty of wind for the third.

  50. Reja says:

    Loved Perron the day we obtained him and still love his game. Remind me why we traded him oh that’s right Mr. swarm didn’t like players with spirit. Everyone bitches about Plstol Pete but Mr. Doughnut set us back 4-5 years.

  51. Professor Q says:

    jp: Doesn’t he already have a contract?

    The Kings terminated it a few hours ago, so unless he mysteriously signed with someone since then, he does not have a contract at present.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    The thing with the 35 plus contract is that the team cannot get rid of the cap hit – retirement doesn’t make it go away, buyout doesn’t reduce it, full termination doesn’t reduce it.

    They will have that cap hit for next year as well.

    Kovalchuk has given up over $4M for next season – I think he’ll head back to the KHL where he can get more than any NHL team would sign him for.

  53. jp says:

    Professor Q: The Kings terminated it a few hours ago, so unless he mysteriously signed with someone since then, he does not have a contract at present.

    Apologies, i didn’t realize he was actually UFA.

  54. Munny says:

    A whistle!

    And its another PP

  55. Professor Q says:

    jp: Apologies, i didn’t realize he was actually UFA.

    No worries! I hadn’t even known he had been scratched since early November, and only saw the news when looking up information on Hall. I also didn’t even know that Hall had been scratched for a few games prior to the trade. It’s a crazy time in the NHL, it seems.

  56. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Oilers playing well except Khaira. I’ve been yelling “come on Khaira” all game. Guy is dragging down that line.

  57. docweb says:

    Hope that wasn’t the TSN turning point

  58. Dicky94 says:

    teddyturnbuckle,

    Looks a step behind tonight for sure.

  59. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Draisaitl too slow on that half wall on power play. Gets pressured and turns it over every time.

  60. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Professor Q,

    But how does he skate?

    The Kings are neither a deep nor fast nor young team… what does he still have to offer to the Oil?

    (I like a redemption story as much as anyone but all I see with Kovy is risk.)

  61. Munny says:

    Nygard drew a penalty but the Stars have hit the quota.

  62. jp says:

    Haas might just be back next year. Nice effort there to preserve the lead.

  63. Professor Q says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    Apparently he had been doing well. 9 points in 15 games or something.

    Neal and Kovy on Nuge’s wings?!

  64. Ryan says:

    jp:
    Haas might just be back next year. Nice effort there to preserve the lead.

    Agreed Haas has a pulse.

  65. Dicky94 says:

    Brutal reffing.

  66. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    That penalty call on Caleb reeks of rookie bias considering the elbow he sustained just prior.

    Big PK on deck.

  67. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Professor Q,

    If Kovy can’t skate it’s too sentimental. I’d aim for a younger version with wheels.

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    Haas might just be back next year. Nice effort there to preserve the lead.

    Definitely like him more than Nygard at this point.

    Playing center is a nice/big plus as well.

    Of course, we would be talking short term and barely over the buryable amount (if above at all – depending on how he does for the remainder of the year).

    If he continues to play how he is and produces 20-25 points or so, 1 X $1.15M?

  69. Munny says:

    Fuck. Really wanted Koski to get the shutout.

  70. godot10 says:

    Kassian covering air again. Instead of covering Seguin.

  71. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Top line leaks a goal.

  72. flyfish1168 says:

    Sphincter getting workout again. Dam Oilers

  73. Professor Q says:

    The Oilers will never score an ENG ever again.

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    Massive win.

    Take away the tire fire in the last 3 minutes, that was a great team game from start to finish by the team.

    One of the best team efforts of the year, in my opinion.

    A couple massive defensive plays in the dying minutes including that HUGE save by Mikko.

  75. Munny says:

    Koski didn’t have to do a lot tonight but he was munny while extra attacker was out.

  76. Ryan says:

    Munny:
    Fuck. Really wanted Koski to get the shutout.

    Really?

    Dude. I’ll just happily take the two points!

  77. Derek says:

    I cannot believe they won that game after pissing away all of those PP opportunities and basically going on cruise control with a 2 goal lead.

  78. Dicky94 says:

    Thank you Koski.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Four out of five games (and 3 games in a row) where we’ve seen the very good Adam Larsson, essentially the 2017 Adam Larsson and THAT player makes a huge positive difference to this team.

    If Larsson “is back”, that is massive.

  80. jp says:

    Nice win and great to break the streak. Extra points for doing it vs. a hot team in their barn.

    Koskinen hasn’t lost the plot yet, hopefully he can keep it up all year.

  81. who says:

    I’m sorry. But that is bad coaching right there.
    You are protecting a 2 goal lead with 3 minutes left and you decide to reunite your poorest defensive line and throw them out there. WTF!
    They left the slot wide open. Is anybody surprised at that.
    Is Tippett trying to pad their stats with an empty net goal? Jesus H Christ.!
    Sorry. Just had to get that off my chest.

  82. Gerta Rauss says:

    That’s a big win for this team

  83. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Tippet goes with top line again for last minute. Talk about holding your breath. The McDavid line was great all night With Nygard.

  84. Gerta Rauss says:

    Kiss my ass Corey…!!

  85. Munny says:

    Larsson was a monster tonight. Best he’s played since returning. So good to see.

  86. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Four out of five games (and 3 games in a row) where we’ve seen the very good Adam Larsson, essentially the 2017 Adam Larsson and THAT player makes a huge positive difference to this team.

    If Larsson “is back”, that is massive.

    +1

  87. tileguy says:

    All the lines were working tonight so why does Tippett put 97 44 and 29 together for the last 3 minutes only to have them scored upon. Head scratcher.

  88. teddyturnbuckle says:

    who,

    Totally agree with this. Tippet never should have reunited that top line. Also he should have sat Khaira for the last five minutes. I counted 4 times tonight he couldn’t get the puck out.

  89. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Been watching games in Dec. with my father in law, and tonight he spontaneously commented that tonight the Oil are playing a much more technical game than recently.

    I’d said this was they type of game that (hopefully) gets them back on track. Playing more like they were about the beginning of the year than recently.

  90. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    But what about Larsson’s “back?”

  91. Material Elvis says:

    who:
    I’m sorry. But that is bad coaching right there.
    You are protecting a 2 goal lead with 3 minutes left and you decide to reunite your poorest defensive line and throw them out there.WTF!
    They left the slot wide open.Is anybody surprised at that.
    Is Tippett trying to pad their stats with an empty net goal? Jesus H Christ.!
    Sorry. Just had to get that off my chest.

    Poorest defensive line? Like, worse than Sheahan’s line?

  92. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Massive win.

    Take away the tire fire in the last 3 minutes, that was a great team game from start to finish by the team.

    One of the best team efforts of the year, in my opinion.

    A couple massive defensive plays in the dying minutes including that HUGE save by Mikko.

    We’ve been in a funk the last 8-9 games bounces, refs, injuries and goaltending. This was a Character win, if we can pop 3 out 4 before Christmas I think will be cooking with gasoline.

  93. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    who,

    If Tip cared about stats he wouldn’t have benched McDavid after potting 6 points in two periods in favour of appeasing “the hockey gods.”

  94. Paulie says:

    Munny:
    Larsson was a monster tonight. Best he’s played since returning. So good to see.

    +1. Also played smart. Didn’t retaliate on the Benn elbow in the 3rd.

  95. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    EDM (+165) at DAL (-185) – I’ve said EDM has been value as a dog last 2 games and they lost. Not saying a damn thing today.

    This is why EDM won.

    I must be judicious with this power.

  96. gogliano says:

    I’m on board with the 1-2-3 Centre setup. The team seems to play a system when the magic duo are apart.

    I’m also hoping Koskinen is officially the starter. Performance between the two isn’t close.

  97. Munny says:

    Paulie,

    Lol, true dat… and that elbow itself was payback for Larsson destroying Benn behind the net.

  98. geowal says:

    tileguy:
    All the lines were working tonight so why does Tippett put 97 44 and 29together for the last 3 minutes only to have them scored upon. Head scratcher.

    Agreed. Makes no sense. You have two centres on the ice and neither is playing centre. Oh well, good win.

  99. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: EDM (+165) at DAL (-185) – I’ve said EDM has been value as a dog last 2 games and they lost. Not saying a damn thing today.

    Hmm, wonder if DSF felt the same way about his beloved Stars?

  100. geowal says:

    Professor Q:
    The Oilers will never score an ENG ever again.

    Wife says: “how come the other teams all score on an empty net but the Oilers gets scored on”?

  101. Reja says:

    who:
    I’m sorry. But that is bad coaching right there.
    You are protecting a 2 goal lead with 3 minutes left and you decide to reunite your poorest defensive line and throw them out there.WTF!
    They left the slot wide open.Is anybody surprised at that.
    Is Tippett trying to pad their stats with an empty net goal? Jesus H Christ.!
    Sorry. Just had to get that off my chest.

    Here’s the thing they don’t score empty netters. We need a goddamn 3C on a shut down line if we’re going to go anywhere. What the hell is Holland waiting for. CHRISTMAS.

  102. Ryan says:

    Reja: Here’s the thing they don’t score empty netters. We need a goddamn 3C on a shut down line if we’re going to go anywhere. What the hell is Holland waiting for. CHRISTMAS.

    Spector voiced Holland’s fear, “what if they traded for Hall and they didn’t make the playoffs?”

  103. who says:

    Material Elvis: Poorest defensive line?Like, worse than Sheahan’s line?

    In the last few games, absolutely.
    They were pitching a shutout. Why would you change things up?

  104. geowal says:

    OriginalPouzar: Definitely like him more than Nygard at this point.

    Playing center is a nice/big plus as well.

    Of course, we would be talking short term and barely over the buryable amount (if above at all – depending on how he does for the remainder of the year).

    If he continues to play how he is and produces 20-25 points or so, 1 X $1.15M?

    Reading your comment I expected you to say something more like $725k

  105. leadfarmer says:

    Munny: Hmm, wonder if DSF felt the same way about his beloved Stars?

    His boy Jamie Benn May not even break 40 points as he continues his descent into the worst contract in the NHL
    Only 5 years left after this one at 9.5 per

  106. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Definitely like him more than Nygard at this point.

    Playing center is a nice/big plus as well.

    Of course, we would be talking short term and barely over the buryable amount (if above at all – depending on how he does for the remainder of the year).

    If he continues to play how he is and produces 20-25 points or so, 1 X $1.15M?

    Yes of course, something in the range of $1M X 1 or 2 years.

    I think it’s been said a few times that none of the bottom 6 should return next season. That’s what I was thinking of when I made the comment. Haas has looked like he maybe should return.

  107. Sierra says:

    Great win tonight.

    The good guys played with much more structure than whatever they have been doing the past few weeks.

    Unless someone was hurt I can’t understand Tipp”s think in putting the band back together with 3 minutes left to play. Their zone coverage on the GA wasn’t good, and neither was it as the clock ticked down to the buzzer.

    Hopefully we continue to see the better structure.

  108. Sierra says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    Oilers playing well except Khaira.I’ve been yelling “come on Khaira” all game.Guy is dragging down that line.

    Lol, same here.

  109. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer: His boy Jamie Benn May not even break 40 points as he continues his descent into the worst contract in the NHL
    Only 5 years left after this one at 9.5 per

    You’re not bad, but when it comes to trolling DSF, you’re a half a step behind Original Pouzar.

  110. franksterra says:

    Ryan: Spector voiced Holland’s fear, “what if they traded for Hall and they didn’t make the playoffs?”

    I hear this question in Verbal Kint voice.

  111. Ryan says:

    jp: Yes of course, something in the range of $1M X 1 or 2 years.

    I think it’s been said a few times that none of the bottom 6 should return next season. That’s what I was thinking of when I made the comment. Haas has looked like he maybe should return.

    I’ve been contemplating how to convey my thoughts on this very issue.

    In a nutshell, the Oilers have a plethora of gritensity players along with two premium gritensity players, based upon contract status.

    The premium gritensity players are Kassian and Chaser.

    If you place any two gritensity or premium gritensity players on one line with anyone, even 97, that line will be shit.

    However, the premium gritensity players are capable to a degree of riding shotgun on a good line.

    Looking at 5v5 offense, Haas appears to be a cut above some of the gritensity players on this roster.

    I’ve wondered about moving Haas to the second line.

  112. JimmyV1965 says:

    Refs piss me off so much. It’s one thing not to call the high sticking penalty on Nygaard, but that elbow on Larsson by Benn was dirty, intentional and dangerous. Benn was pissed that Larsson beat him like a rented mule all night and responded with a cheap elbow. How the help can they let that go? Quit managing the frickin game.

  113. oilersfan says:

    I completely agree with WHO, McDavid was the main culprit on the goal.

    The puck went up the wall where Draisaitl was battling the puck leaving Séguin wide open in the slot. Nurse initially broke up the pass but why was Séguin alone in the slot? Because McDavid inexplicably went to the side board to try to help Draisaitl win a battle instead of guarding Séguin in the slot.

    For a guy who is known for hjs elite hockey sense his defensive reads are extremely suspect more often than not. How can that not be coached Into him after playing hockey for 18-19 years? Unbelievable the lack of defensive acumen shown by him several times the last few weeks, including the last time the oilers played Dallas when he cost us the lead leaving (you guessed it) Séguin to skate right into the slot and score the game tying goal.

  114. Primetime says:

    Re: Kovalchuk

    Not sure he would help us at all. But out of curiosity, anyone know if he would be able to play in the NHL again this year if he signed a contract with someone? If he did, it would be for a minimal salary I would think, but someone may bite for a low risk bet for the rest of the year. However, are we not past the “Jesse” deadline where you can’t play in the NHL if you sign a contract past Dec 1? Or does that not apply since he did have a contract after that date? Would he have to pass through waivers again to play for the team he signed with? I know he already went unclaimed, but that was with a $6.5 million cap hit….

    Just curious

  115. godot10 says:

    oilersfan:
    I completely agree with WHO, McDavid was the main culprit on the goal.

    The puck went up the wall where Kassian was battling the puck leaving Séguin wide open in the slot. Nurse initially broke up the pass but why was Séguin alone in the slot? Because McDavid inexplicably went to the side board to try to help Kassian win a battle instead of guarding Séguin in the slot.

    For a guy who is known for hjs elite hockey sense his defensive reads are extremely suspect more often than not. How can that not be coached Into him after playing hockey for 18-19 years? Unbelievable the lack ofdefensive acumen shown by him several times the last few weeks, including the last time the oilers played Dallas when he cost us the lead leaving (you guessed it) Séguin to skate right into the slot and score the game tying goal.

    Kassian was the major culprit. Seguin skated into the space when Kassian went to cover air. Kassian skated out of the slot giving Seguin all that space. Benn was out of the play off to the side and Nurse had him. Kassian thought it was a good idea to skate out of the slot and go cover somebody in the far corner who was already out of the play and who had Nurse between him and the goal.

  116. v4ance says:

    For most of the game, Tippett had Nuge-Chaisson-Khaira playing against the Benn-Seguin-Radulov and while they were hemmed in at times, they kept them off the score sheet. When the Stars pulled their goalie and Tippett reunited the McDavid-Drai-Kassian trio, they gave up a goal. I know he was trying to give them a chance at an empty net goal but with 20/20 hindsight, maybe he should have stuck with Nuge.

    ***

    With the 3 center lineup, i hope Tippett give this combination more than 2 games to establish chemistry before he reshuffles back to the Mc-David-Drai power line. I would also like to see Khaira back with Drai, as I think they cycle it much better as a duo. When Khaira is trying to cycle on Nuge’s line, he tends to be a stone alone. By my eye, they seem to be on different wavelengths and Nuge isn’t in the spots where Khaira is sending his passes.

    ***

    A good road win where the Oilers did a good job defensively for 57 minutes then got outworked during the last 3. Thankfully Koskinen was sharp and lucky and we grinded out the win.

    ***

    The videos shared yesterday with Tippett talking about powerplay formations were really informative. It allowed me to recognize that the Oilers are playing an “I” formation through the neutral zone and a modified pressure 1-3 in their own zone. The Stars stayed in a floating box formation for all their PK shifts and that works great unless you fail to prevent the quick cross box plays.

    ***

    I agree with Woodguy that the Oilers put out a competitive offer for Hall but the lure of Ari’s 1st round pick was too much. NJ gave up their 2nd this year in the Subban trade and their 3rd in the Gusev trade with Veg-ville. Since the Devils fell on their face, they needed more assets to switch back to a rebuild. It’s funny because Shero’s trades showed that they were going for it this year but the season’s been sewered because of horrific goaltending.

    Shero’s tactics were actually pretty good. He establised an auction with pairs of competing bidders of front runners: Col-StL from the Central, Edm-Ari from the Pacific and Bos-Fla from the Atlantic. Unfortunately, there wasn’t enough pressure on the bidders to increase their offers. If it was closer to Feb trade deadline, I think Shero would have gotten a better return from more desperate teams. The news of Hall’s refusal to discuss a long term extension broke way too early and forced Shero to move before he could generate much leverage in the trade market.

  117. Reja says:

    Ryan: Spector voiced Holland’s fear, “what if they traded for Hall and they didn’t make the playoffs?”

    Every game that goes by the price of a rental forward goes down. We’re already probably losing a 3rd in a deep deep draft so I can see why Holland’s hesitant to give up a 2nd. We have a couple of young cheap defenseman that might be enticing plus the Bandi kid playing in the North Pole. It’s so obvious we need a 3C. Pull the Fricking trigger Holland and win the division and then we all know it’s a crap shoot, just ask St. Loo.

  118. godot10 says:

    godot10: Kassian was the major culprit.Seguin skated into the space when Kassian went to cover air.Kassian skated out of the slot giving Seguin all that space. Benn was out of the play off to the side and Nurse had him.Kassian thought it was a good idea to skate out of the slot and go cover somebody in the far corner who was already out of the play and who had Nurse between him and the goal.

    Kassian executed the “anti-swarm”…leave the Rickibox, the HD scoring area and go swarm a player in the corner who is out of the play and who doesn’t have the puck.

  119. JimmyV1965 says:

    who:
    I’m sorry. But that is bad coaching right there.
    You are protecting a 2 goal lead with 3 minutes left and you decide to reunite your poorest defensive line and throw them out there.WTF!
    They left the slot wide open.Is anybody surprised at that.
    Is Tippett trying to pad their stats with an empty net goal? Jesus H Christ.!
    Sorry. Just had to get that off my chest.

    Interesting. You’re looking at the best way to protect the lead, while Tippet was looking for the best chance to score an empty netter.

  120. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Don’t you ever bet for the fLames.

    ABC, baby!

  121. oilersfan says:

    godot10: Kassian executed the “anti-swarm”…leave the Rickibox, the HD scoring area and go swarm a player in the corner who is out of the play and who doesn’t have the puck.

    That may be the case, but to make it worse, McDavid chased Draisaitl to the side board instead of staying in the slot to cover Séguin. Also, I thought wingers’ primary defensive responsibility are the Dmen and the side boards and the center’s responsibility are the other teams center and the slot …

  122. Ryan says:

    Reja: Every game that goes by the price of a rental forward goes down. We’re already probably losing a 3rd in a deep deep draft so I can see why Holland’s hesitant to give up a 2nd. Wehave a couple of young cheap defenseman that might be enticing plus the Bandi kid playing in the North Pole. It’s so obvious we need a 3C. Pull the Fricking trigger Holland and win the division and then we all know it’s a crap shoot, just ask St. Loo.

    Pageau whom my iPhone still autocorrects to “pay day” will sign an extension in Ottawa.

    Palmieri will be available, but the asking price starts with a first rounder.

  123. jp says:

    Ryan: I’ve been contemplating how to convey my thoughts on this very issue.

    In a nutshell, the Oilers have a plethora of gritensity players along with two premium gritensity players, based upon contract status.

    The premium gritensity players are Kassian and Chaser.

    If you place any two gritensity or premium gritensity players on one line with anyone, even 97, that line will be shit.

    However, the premium gritensity players are capable to a degree of riding shotgun on a good line.

    Looking at 5v5 offense, Haas appears to be a cut above some of the gritensity players on this roster.

    I’ve wondered about moving Haas to the second line.

    Yeah it’s a tough spot with so many of those guys. Makes it difficult to build even an effective 2nd line.

    And yes, giving Haas a shot on the 2nd line makes a lot of sense.

  124. Primetime says:

    godot10: Kassian was the major culprit.Seguin skated into the space when Kassian went to cover air.Kassian skated out of the slot giving Seguin all that space. Benn was out of the play off to the side and Nurse had him.Kassian thought it was a good idea to skate out of the slot and go cover somebody in the far corner who was already out of the play and who had Nurse between him and the goal.

    Huh? That makes no sense at all.

    Kassian is the far winger, covering the far point man and boards. It is the Center’s (ie. Connor’s) responsibility to cover Seguin and the slot. Drai was where he should be, up the boards and covering the near point man. The puck comes to Seguin and McDavid has left the slot and is up against the boards, letting him walk out in front. Nurse was between Seguin and Benn but didn’t have him “covered”. Did a great job to block the pass, but if he had missed Benn would have an easy one-timer on goal. Kassian was right to try and cover Benn. The biggest problem was that Nurse’s terrific block bounced right back to Seguin. Watch the replay again. Even with his first misread, if Connor stays on his horse he is right there to tie up Seguin’s stick. Instead, he had already pulled up and was standing there as Seguin scored.

    Sorry Godot, can’t agree at all. That goal was fully on the Captain.

  125. YKOil says:

    jp: Yes of course, something in the range of $1M X 1 or 2 years.

    I think it’s been said a few times that none of the bottom 6 should return next season. That’s what I was thinking of when I made the comment. Haas has looked like he maybe should return.

    I like Haas, Nygard and one of Archibald/Russell; I lean toward Russell as he is a $700k to $800k contract through and through. All three have played pretty well and will have a year of NHL/Tippett play under their belts, I hesitate to start over wholesale. Upgrade the rest, maybe use one spot to get Benson some time.

  126. SkatinginSand says:

    oilersfan: That may be the case, but to make it worse, McDavid chased Kassian to the side board instead of staying in the slot to cover Séguin. Also, I thought wingers’ primary defensive responsibility are the X-men and the side boards and the center’s responsibility are the other teams center and the slot …

    That is the defensive strategy of some Tier 6 Peewee teams.

  127. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: His boy Jamie Benn May not even break 40 points as he continues his descent into the worst contract in the NHL
    Only 5 years left after this one at 9.5 per

    I’ll send the rent cheque at the end of the month.

  128. v4ance says:

    Ryan: Spector voiced Holland’s fear, “what if they traded for Hall and they didn’t make the playoffs?”

    I think Spector is an idiot so it makes sense he’d be all over that point of view. He’s the king of monday morning quarterbacking

    The counterpoint I’ll get to after I first ask a simple question. When else has there been a team with the FIRST and SECOND leading scorers in the entire NHL that also missed the playoffs?

    What if we miss the playoffs with McDavid and Draisaitl having history making point totals because we didn’t have Hall to help the secondary scoring?

  129. godot10 says:

    Primetime: Huh?That makes no sense at all.

    Kassian is the far winger, covering the far point man and boards.It is the Center’s (ie. Connor’s) responsibility to cover Seguin and the slot.Drai was where he should be, up the boards and covering the near point man.The puck comes to Seguin and McDavid has left the slot and is up against the boards, letting him walk out in front.Nurse was between Seguin and Benn but didn’t have him “covered”.Did a great job to block the pass, but if he had missed Benn would have an easy one-timer on goal. Kassian was right to try and cover Benn.The biggest problem was that Nurse’s terrific block bounced right back to Seguin.Watch the replay again.Even with his first misread, if Connor stays on his horse he is right there to tie up Seguin’s stick.Instead, he had already pulled up and was standing there as Seguin scored.

    Sorry Godot, can’t agree at all.That goal was fully on the Captain.

    Kassian saw Seguin skating into the slot and instead of taking him out, skating away into the corner to anti-swarm a harmless Benn, who was not in a high danger area, and blocked by Nurse from getting to a high danger area.

    This is so typical of Kassian in the defensive area. Skating out of the picture.

  130. jp says:

    Ryan,

    This is a bit tangential but I thought it was kinda interesting.

    So the Oilers bottom 6 had a tough tough start to the season. If you look at the even strength scoring list since Nov. 1st though they actually fare pretty well.

    5v5/60 since Nov. 1st (this is 22 games)
    McDavid 3.37
    Kassian 2.71
    Draisaitl 2.41
    Gagner 2.12

    Haas 1.55
    Granlund 1.53
    Russell 1.36
    Khaira 1.33
    Nygard 1.32

    Nuge 0.87
    Sheahan 0.63
    Chiasson 0.57
    Neal 0.44
    Archibald 0.31

    Compared to the full season numbers WG posted yesterday… the Oilers still haven’t had a 2nd line. But there’s 4 guys scoring at 1st line rates and at least there are some 3rd line quality scorers hanging around (actually 9 forwards scoring at 3rd line or better rates).

    This likely isn’t their true talent level but it might be closer than we give them credit for (or maybe not). FWIW they aren’t running hot percentages for the most part either.

  131. jp says:

    YKOil: I like Haas, Nygard and one of Archibald/Russell; I lean toward Russell as he is a $700k to $800k contract through and through.All three have played pretty well and will have a year of NHL/Tippett play under their belts, I hesitate to start over wholesale.Upgrade the rest, maybe use one spot to get Benson some time.

    Yeah you’d like some continuity I guess but it’s such a pile of meh. I don’t think I’d have a problem with any individual being brought back next season. At the same time I don’t know if I could make a strong argument for any of them either. Would they be missed if we never saw them again?

    Haas and Nygard have been decent. But I think a good chunk of their allure right now is that we don’t entirely know what they are yet. Maybe there’s more? The other gritensity Oilers are more known quantities but it’s quite likely Haas and Nygard settle out there in the end.

    And next year. Yes to Benson. Maybe a Yamamoto or Marody too. Depending where Holland decides to shop there should be cap to improve this part of the roster. Surely there will be some more bargain bin hunting too (whether from the current group of some new cheap bets).

  132. hunter1909 says:

    This is an amazing season.

    1 – Oilers start of the season flying.

    2 – Oilers hit the skids… looks like they’re cooked.

    3 – Stars game tonight other than the heart attack final minutes clinging on to a 1 goal lead they were really good once more, like they were at the start of the season.

    Would be interested in everyone’s take on this most interesting season to date.

  133. hunter1909 says:

    jp: Would they be missed if we never saw them again?

    Of course. Oilers dumped a meh player in the 90’s who went on to a near Hall of fame career in Detroit with that pesky almost dynasty.

  134. Munny says:

    jp,

    I think Benson gets his tires kicked some time between Christmas and the TD. As long as he continues to put up points in Bako. Holland will want to know what he is and where he’s at before then.

    But I’d say there’s little chance he’s coming up while Jones is trying to establish himself. Holland will want a stable environment for a Benson audition, hopefully we’re there in the New Year.

  135. Munny says:

    Dallas didn’t play an especially tight-checking game tonight, especially in the first period, but I thought our puck management was very very good, and has come leaps and bounds over the past three four games.

    More than any coach I’ve seen in a long while, these guys are listening to Tippett.

    Ending the losing streak on the road against a hot team will give our boys a nice injection of confidence and belief in the system.

  136. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: Kessel has an 8 team no trade clause.

    You can bet Edmonton is on it.

    Don’t burst my bubble!

  137. jp says:

    Munny:
    jp,

    I think Benson gets his tires kicked some time between Christmas and the TD. As long as he continues to put up points in Bako.Holland will want to know what he is and where he’s at before then.

    But I’d say there’s little chance he’s coming up while Jones is trying to establish himself.Holland will want a stable environment for a Benson audition, hopefully we’re there in the New Year.

    Agreed, he should be up at some point this year. And we likely won’t have to wait long.

  138. jp says:

    hunter1909: Of course. Oilers dumped a meh player in the 90’s who went on to a near Hall of fame career in Detroit with that pesky almost dynasty.

    This is true, and a good point. I’d note though the player in question had just turned 23 on departure. McDavid and Draisaitl are the only current Oiler forwards under 25, and Khaira is the only other under 26. It’s a lot less likely that the Oilers current meh turns into anything they aren’t right now.

  139. Oilin4 says:

    Munny:
    Koski didn’t have to do a lot tonight but he was munny while extra attacker was out.

    I see what you did there, and I nod.

  140. Professor Q says:

    Primetime:
    Re: Kovalchuk

    Not sure he would help us at all.But out of curiosity, anyone know if he would be able to play in the NHL again this year if he signed a contract with someone?If he did, it would be for a minimal salary I would think, but someone may bite for a low risk bet for the rest of the year.However, are we not past the “Jesse” deadline where you can’t play in the NHL if you sign a contract past Dec 1?Or does that not apply since he did have a contract after that date?Would he have to pass through waivers again to play for the team he signed with?I know he already went unclaimed, but that was with a $6.5 million cap hit….

    Just curious

    This is a very interesting question. I think it’d be re-entry waivers, maybe? But perhaps having an NHL contract past December 1st and simply being a healthy scratch for a month (he *had* played around 15 games this year), while also going through *unconditional* waivers, changes the process? Free to sign with any team that will want him or fit him in?

    I don’t know! I couldn’t find anything on the usual sites.

  141. jp says:

    Professor Q: This is a very interesting question. I think it’d be re-entry waivers, maybe? But perhaps having an NHL contract past December 1st and simply being a healthy scratch for a month (he *had* played around 15 games this year), while also going through *unconditional* waivers, changes the process? Free to sign with any team that will want him or fit him in?

    I don’t know! I couldn’t find anything on the usual sites.

    I think a player needs to play games in Europe after December 1st for there to be an issue, so pretty sure he doesn’t need re-entry waivers. Not 100% certain though.

  142. stephenw24 says:

    It is interesting to see Detroit and New Jersey solidly in the bottom, with a deep draft you might be able to acquire some decent players from these teams for a salary dump or send a prospect with veteran players on expiring contracts to free up space. Sam Gagner and Brandon Manning are players that will help you to acquire more ping pong balls (low quality veterans) and are on expiring contracts. You see this more often in the NBA where one or two players can make a team, bad teams will load up on overpaid veterans on expiring contracts in hope of tanking and free agency. Interesting to see if Detroit or New Jersey pursue something like this, though hockey is much more of a team sport.

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