2019-20 Game 38: Penguins at Oilers

by Lowetide

Cam Connor tells the story of the first time Edmonton played Pittsburgh, a 5-2 bloodbath win for the expansion Oilers January 19, 1980:

Cam Connor: “In the middle of the second period, Gretzky came over the Penguins blue line and walked defenseman Kim Clackson. I knew what Clackson was going to do, because he always slashed the oncoming forward on that play. Clackson whacked Gretzky on the side of the head, and Wayne went down. Dave Semenko, who could beat Clackson, went right after him. Pat Hughes and I ended up pairing off. Semenko told me he and Clackson fought five times during the melee. At the end of the fight, the linesman began splitting them up, and Semenko turned his head for an instant. In that moment, Clackson came over the top of the linesman and landed a punch on Semenko’s left eye.”

Dear Cam Connor: I don’t think ‘pairing off‘ represents your involvement in the evening’s festivities.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide: As Oilers’ auditions of fringe forwards nears conclusion, it’s time for Condors’ top prospects to force the issue
  • Lowetide: The key missing element to the Oilers’ brilliant top line
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘We called him ‘The Crane”: Teammates and coaches reveal their best Connor McDavid stories
  • Jonathan Willis: Should the Oilers have outbid the Coyotes for Taylor Hall?
  • Lowetide: Connor McDavid’s frustration and the impact it could have on the Edmonton Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers need to figure out five-on-five woes quickly, starting with Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl
  • Lowetide: Who should be the next man up from the Bakersfield Condors?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: 10 subscriber questions for Oilers rookie defenceman Ethan Bear
  • Lowetide: Five loud noises Ken Holland could make to help the Oilers immediately
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 5 prospect, Winter 2019 — Raphael Lavoie
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 4 prospect winter 2019: Tyler Benson
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 prospect winter 2019: Ethan Bear
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 2 prospect winter 2019: Philip Broberg
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 1 prospect winter 2019: Evan Bouchard

OILERS AFTER 38 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 15-20-3, 33 points; goal differential -21
  • Oilers in 2016: 19-12-7, 45 points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in 2017: 17-18-3, 37 points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in 2018: 18-17-3, 39 points; goal differential -6
  • Oilers in 2019: 19-14-4, 42 points; goal differential -2

Edmonton remains in third place in what is becoming the red hot Pacific Division (not in wins, but hot in terms of teams being close in standings points). The Flames are one point behind the Oilers and have gained eight points on their northern rival in the last 10 games. That can’t happen.

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 6-3-1, 13 points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in December 2016: 5-2-3, 13 points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in December 2017: 7-3-0, 14 points; goal differential +10
  • Oilers in December 2018: 6-3-1, 13 points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in December 2019: 3-5-1, 7 points; goal differential -8

The Oilers played two solid road games, winning one, and now have a chance to make some good things possible in the days before Christmas. It needs to start this weekend, though, Edmonton is burning daylight in December.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: OTT, LAK, BUF, CAR (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 1-2-1)
  • On the road to: MIN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: TOR (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: DAL, STL (Expected 0-2-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: PIT, MTL (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 0-0-1)
  • At home to: CAL, NYR (Expected 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-6-2, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 3-5-1, 7 points in 9 games

I have the Oilers going 2-2-1 from here, ending the month 5-7-2, 12 points in 14 games. The team’s record would be 21-16-5, 47 points in 42 games. That represents a 92-point pace, in line with my 88-point prediction at the beginning of the year.

OILERS 2019-20

We’re almost to mid-season now, career years offensively in reach for McDavid, Draisaitl, Kassian, Klefbom, Koskinen. Seasons that could be described as disappointing include Nuge, Gagner, Khaira, Archibald, Larsson, Smith.

OILERS FIVE ON FIVE GOAL DIFFERENTIAL, ’19-20

Oilers at five on five have been a hot mess for much of the season, we see it clearly in the goal differential. The biggest item is the gap between Koskinen and Smith (all of these numbers are NST), and the lack of plus numbers (McDavid, Kassian, Russell are the only regulars) is thunderbolt and lightning very very frightening.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we kickstart the final weekend before Christmas with plenty of Oilers talk and a few other items. Steve Lansky from Big Mouth Sports will chat Oilers, Hall trade, Star Wars and recount a special television memory. Matt Iwanyk will pop in after 11 with his naughty and nice list and we’ll read your texts (you have been on fire lately) at 10-1260. @Lowetide twitter, happy holidays!

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ArmchairGM

Klefbom and Larsson haven’t been on the ice for a single GA in the past 3 games, nearly 60 minutes worth of play. Pretty impressive, especially when you consider they’ve been playing like 75% against elites.

Ben

That 5v5 rate chart comparing the Oilers and Blues players has stuck with me.

I mean, if the Oilers could just add 3-4 *okay* players to their bottom 6 they’d rock and roll.

Do they really think Benson wouldn’t help on the 3rd line today?

PennersPancakes

Sheahan, Archibald, and Jujhar all have abysmal goal differentials. Do their zone starts and PK work stop them from being fired into the sun? Everyone else is pretty damn close to even except Neal who has been lights out on the PP.

What would possible replacements (anyone who doesnt get their teeth kicked in) look like? Can it be a promotion or does it have to be an outside hire?

John Chambers

Ben:
That 5v5 rate chart comparing the Oilers and Blues players has stuck with me.

I mean, if the Oilers could just add 3-4 *okay* players to their bottom 6 they’d rock and roll.

Do they really think Benson wouldn’t help on the 3rd line today?

At least our needs are only for middle-six players.

Elevating Benson, and making a trade for Pageau and a 2L makes this lineup much more complete.

JimmyV1965

Hey WG. Just wanted to commend you on the post at the end of yesterday’s thread about Quinn Hughes. Very intriguing info!!! Maybe you should repost it in today’s blog because the numbers are jaw dropping.

I’ve been very careful not to criticize Hughes’ actual performance because frankly he hasn’t looked bad. It’s still a major mental hurdle to overcome though – this 23 min a game. It just spells disaster IMO, but based on your numbers, he’s outright killing it. I’ll be stunned if he maintains that level this year, because he’s a rookie who comes from the NCAA and isn’t familiar with the grind that even CHL players experience.

In Colorado, Makar is now getting about 16 min a game, which seems like a more reasonable way to develop a young player. And Edmonton certainly isn’t above criticism here. Bear is flat out playing too much. He’s 22 now and has a couple years of pro experience, but he needs less ice team, even if it means giving him a night off every six games or so.

Woodguy v2.0

WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

Central
STL 14
COL 12
DAL 8

Pacific
ARI 7
Vegreville 6
EDM 5

Wildcard
WPG 7
NSH 4

Out of playoffs
CGY 4
MIN 3
VAN 2
CHI -2
SJS -2
LAK -3
ANA -3

VAN took care of Vegreville last night. Surprised me. The Flying Holupshi’s had the run of play with 61.6 xGF% to VAN’s 38.4%, but there’s a reason hockey is called mostly goalie. VAN has guys who don’t take many shots to score as well.

Earthquake in ARI last night with Vezina shoo-in Kuemper going down with what looks like a bad groin injury, maybe a knee. Couldn’t put weight on his one leg going off the ice. They still have Raanta but given his injury history I’d imagine Chayka’s balls crawled right up into his body last night.

RE: ARI – Hall has been playing with Dvorak and Kessel. Its only 2 games of results but here is how Hall elevates his line mates:

Kessel & Dvorak’s xGF% with and without Hall
With: 60%
Without: 44.5%

You can’t see that when looking a just player points to evaluate a player.

Using only player points to evaluate a player is fine when you’re in junior high, but player evaluation needs to be more nuanced once you’re in high school or if you’re an adult.

MTL beat CGY in OT. CGY’s playing better, but 7 of their 18 wins are in OT/SO. They are the Calgary Bettman’s.

WPG lost 4-1 to CHI. I didn’t see any of it but apparently Hellebuyck was wobbly. He’s played 29 of WPG’s 35 games is the sole reason they are where they are in the standings.

WPG have the 2nd worst xGF% as a team in the league with 44%. Their actual GF% has been 53.3% with a 5v5 SV% of .932.

If you can, bet on WPG not making the playoffs with someone, you’ll get the best of it if they continue to ride Hellebuyck like Hitch rode Koskinen.

I hope they start to tank so Chevy comes to the conclusion that he needs a cowboy shot blocker on the team.

Also,

Only relevant game tonight is PIT (-130) at EDM (+110). I think that line is pretty spot on. EDM is a dog, but not a big one.

PIT has won their last 2 games vs LAK and CGY despite only getting 30% and 35% of the xGF% respectively. Maybe they’re due to not cash?

Also,

PIT is the poster boy for depth and “injuries isn’t an excuse for losing”

Crosby (1C), Duomolin (1LD-tough minute), Schultz (2RD, 1PP), Bjugstad (4C) are out and they just keep winning. They won earlier in the year when Malkin missed half the games.

Guentzl-Malkin-Rust has been their 1st line since Crosby went down and they are clocking in at 64.6% xGF and an actual GF% of 68.4%. Pisscutters. I expect a lot of Klef-Larsson vs them tonight.

Marino had been playing 2/3RD with Jack Johnson. With Schultz going down 2 games ago he got moved up to play quite a bit with Letang. Quite a rookie season for him.

Also,

Tristin Jarry has played well and stole the CGY game. Typcial Oilers not drafting the Oil Kings who become Actual NHLers. By all reports Jarry has taken the net from Murray this year.

EDM had the 37th pick in the 2013 draft where Jarry was taken 44th by PIT.

EDM traded the 37th to LAK in LT’s favourite crazy trade where EDM got the 57th, 88th and 96th picks from LAK. EDM still picked in the 2nd round taking Marco Roy 56th with the pick they got when Tambo traded Cogliano to ANA.

EDM then traded the 57th for 83rd and 94th getting a total of 83rd, 88th, 94th and 96th for the 37th. They got Yakimov, Slepeshev, Houck and Platzer. PIT got a starting goalie 6 years later.

I blame Tambellini (for trading Cogs), MacT, Stu MacGregor, Mike Parkatti and LT.

There is speculation that PIT likes Jarry more and will move Murray in the offseason. I know fancystats people thought that Murray was mostly a mirage in his two Cup years, now its looking like they might be right.

I’d image Rutherford will get a good price from him. Especially from a GM who values rings. EDM is ripe for the picking here imo.

SpotTheLoon

I’ll never forget Rod Phillips calling that game in 1980 and listening to it on the radio.

Woodguy v2.0

JimmyV1965: Hey WG. Just wanted to commend you on the post at the end of yesterday’s thread about Quinn Hughes. Very intriguing info!!! Maybe you should repost it in today’s blog because the numbers are jaw dropping.

Sure.

Thanks for the kind words.

Here it is:

JimmyV1965: He will be a beauty…in about two years. Oiler fans know intimately the perils of playing a rookie 23 minutes a night in a feature role.It doesn’t end well.

The difference is that Hughes is killing his minutes.

His DFF% (xGF%) vs Elites is an astounding 62.4%. I don’t remember seeing a result that high from anyone.

He’s doing it in 2nd pairing minutes and has done it with both Tanev (58.4%) and Myers (72.6%(!!)

Tanev is 40% and Myers is 46.2% away from Hughes.

He’s not sheltered via zone start, face offs or TOI vs Elites.

I’ve ground through a lot of data and these are quite amazing results. I don”t remember seeing results like this from anyone, let alone a 20 year old rookie on a meh team.

VAN’s DFF% vs Elites:
Hughes on 64.2%
Hughes off 45.7%

That’s nuts.

Then you watch him play and he’s controlling the play whenever he’s on the ice. His skating and hockey smarts are simply better than everyone else on the ice (usually).

If he were 6’1 and 190 instead of 5’10 170lbs and played in the Eastern Time Zone he’d be the talk of the league.

He just turned 20 in October. Wow.

I know the old “you need 300 games (or whatever number) to know what a defensemen is”, but after grinding through Dman results for ~13 years one thing is clear: The elite Dmen announce their presence with authority. They are very good right out of the box.

You can always find very good Dmen who emerged later in their career, but the Doughtys, Suters, Webers, etc of the world play high leverage minutes in their early 20’s and kill those minutes.

Players like Hughes and Makar are doing that today.

Hughes was teenager when the season started. Crazy.

Also,

Scungilli Slushy: Bruce, how is it that you know what he will be as an NHL player?

We’ve seen a lot of beauties that don’t get it done.

EDM has never had a Dmen with these results in these situations for the entire fancy stats era.

We haven’t seen a player like Hughes here probably since Coffey.

Note: I know the original question was to Bruce and I’m not Bruce. I did play him in a Fringe production this past summer so I feel qualified to answer in his stead.

flyfish1168

High chance Smith get a start this weekend. Now which game.

No team is afraid of Price in the net anymore. I’m glad he is not ours.

flyfish1168

Woodguy v2.0,

Ouch. Hughes maybe getting Calder instead of Maker

JimmyV1965

John Chambers: At least our needs are only for middle-six players.

Elevating Benson, and making a trade for Pageau and a 2L makes this lineup much more complete.

That’s the most frustrating part for me. We have the Cs, we have the dmen, and we apparently have the goaltending. Major reconstructive surgery is not required to make this a competitive roster. Two more forwards. That’s all it takes. Wouldn’t target Pageau though. Of all the trade targets, I think he is the most overvalued right now.

drglen

time for a hockey trade.

Activate Benson and see how he does with Leon.

too bad they didn’t keep Burdasov. Would Slepyshev come back?

I’m losing faith in Nyggard.

Oilin4

John Chambers: At least our needs are only for middle-six players.

Elevating Benson, and making a trade for Pageau and a 2L makes this lineup much more complete.

I’d add backup G to the list. Smith is done and I fear Koskinen is only able to carry a 45-50 game load if we want him to have anything in the playoffs.

Should be able to address much of this in the offseason if we preserve the cap to do so.

JimmyV1965

flyfish1168:
Woodguy v2.0,

Ouch. Hughes maybe getting Calder instead of Maker

Despite the jaw dropping numbers WG posted, I can’t help but think a Mount Everest cliff is coming. He simply has no experience with the NHL grind and he’s getting too much icetime. But WTF do I know. His numbers are mind boggling for a rookie dman. I think it took Chris Pronger something like five years to become Chris Pronger. Scary what to think this kid will be in five years. But the greats arrive right away I guess.

Durag

drglen,

Agreed, the GM needs to throw his players a bone at this point. We’re looking at 2 top 6 spots being filled by the likes of Nygaard, Gagner, Chiasson and Khaira. It’s just not good enough.

LadiesloveSmid

Driving up for the game tonight! First one in Edmonton since 2017.

Can’t wait to see Archibald up close & personal.

jtblack

JimmyV1965:
Hey WG. Just wanted to commend you on the post at the end of yesterday’s thread about Quinn Hughes. Very intriguing info!!! Maybe you should repost it in today’s blog because the numbers are jaw dropping.

I’ve been very careful not to criticize Hughes’ actual performance because frankly he hasn’t looked bad. It’s still a major mental hurdle to overcome though – this 23 min a game. It just spells disaster IMO, but based on your numbers, he’s outright killing it. I’ll be stunned if he maintains that level this year, because he’s a rookie who comes from the NCAA and isn’t familiar with the grind that even CHL players experience.

In Colorado, Makar is now getting about 16 min a game, which seems like a more reasonable way to develop a young player.And Edmonton certainly isn’t above criticism here. Bear is flat out playing too much. He’s 22 now and has a couple years of pro experience, but he needs less ice team, even if it means giving him a night off every six games or so.

IMO 23 mins / night for a D is not too much. He plays a lot of PP minutes and is an effortless skater.

HugThePost

Is there a freeze on rosters for the Xmas break at this point? I’m thinking Holland is continuing to negotiate with Kass to see where that and the team goes over the next few weeks so that he can decide whether or not to trade Kass.

And Re: Hughes……he’s not big and I wonder like JimmyV1965 above if physically he will hit a wall soon. He is very mobile but I can see in a 7 game series an opposing team targeting him and trying to be extremely physical with him.

Durag

LadiesloveSmid,

Not gonna lie, I’m really starting to like Archibald. Seeing him go after Oleksiak in both Stars games like he’s playing Nintendo Punchout was great.

jtblack

HOLLAND & Q HUGHES.

Remember – Hughes grew up in Detroit, went to Michigan and HOLLAND chose Zadina over him in draft. Zadina went #6, Hughes #7.

Makes me wonder …..

jtblack

flyfish1168:
High chance Smith get a start this weekend. Now which game.

No team is afraid of Price in the net anymore. I’m glad he is not ours.

Price played Great last night. Not sure how his year has been, but he looked Sharp last night

jtblack

LadiesloveSmid:
Driving up for the game tonight! First one in Edmonton since 2017.

Can’t wait to see Archibald up close & personal.

Please give an overall review of your experience tomorrow. Enjoy the game!

jtblack

I wouldlike to see the big line together tonight. Connor always has good games against Pitt.

I think Connor is good for 3 pts tonight 🙂

Harpers Hair

jtblack: Price played Great last night. Not sure how his year has been, but he looked Sharp last night

Price was also exceptional in Vancouver stopping 38 of 39 shots.

flyfish1168

jtblack: Zadina

Zadina is a winger. Maybe Holland need a winger more than a dman

ArmchairGM

HugThePost: Is there a freeze on rosters for the Xmas break at this point? I’m thinking Holland is continuing to negotiate with Kass to see where that and the team goes over the next few weeks so that he can decide whether or not to trade Kass.

The freeze started last night I think. And as for Kass, there’s no hurry. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was no deal before the trade deadline.

BONE207

5 more shopping days till Christmas.
Hopefully Bag of Chips has something cooking.
That left side of the Oilers 5v5 has me feeling like the 1st time I watched an Alien movie…by myself…in the dark.
Meanwhile I look at the numbers in the previous Decembers & think, wow…wtf happened after that?
C’mon donner & blitzen and kick the Penguins tonight & may Gord have mercy on our souls.
Please no Tabernac Saturday against those Tabernac Habitants…

PennersPancakes

flyfish1168: Zadina is a winger. Maybe Holland need a winger more than a dman

I think Detroit needed a little bit of everything but got stuck in a Pulju situation. Going into the draft Zadina was consistently ranked 3rd and dropped to 6th. Either way its 1.5 year post draft and Hughes looks like the sexier player but Zadina does have 7 points in 11 games this season. Both players looks to have long successful careers, sucks one is in our division.

JimmyV1965

jtblack:
HOLLAND & Q HUGHES.

Remember – Hughes grew up in Detroit, went to Michigan and HOLLAND chose Zadina over him in draft.Zadina went #6, Hughes #7.

Makes me wonder …..

Maybe we should be wondering about Holland?

LadiesloveSmid

JimmyV1965: Maybe we should be wondering about Holland?

Absolutely. I mean just look at Detroit.

Aside from swapping Lucic/Neal, look at Edmonton’s summer “depth”

dustrock

Man I’m tired from Star Wars late last night.

That was a fun 2 movies jammed into 1 movie.

A fun romp, but not a good film, if that makes any sense.

Body can’t handle these late shows anymore dammit.

teddyturnbuckle

Woodguy v2.0,

Darcy, based on your data what should Holland do with shaping the Oilers d core for the end of this season and the start of next season. Taking into account waiver eligibility for the Oilers young D.

Left D Right D

Nurse Larsson
klefbom Bear
Russell Benning
Jones Persson
Lagesson Berglund
Samurukov Bouchard
Broberg Day

cowboy bill

One of Kreider or Toffoli would be a wonderful Christmas present for the top six boys . Merry Christmas to all .

godot10

Ben:
That 5v5 rate chart comparing the Oilers and Blues players has stuck with me.

I mean, if the Oilers could just add 3-4 *okay* players to their bottom 6 they’d rock and roll.

Do they really think Benson wouldn’t help on the 3rd line today?

Why would you play him on the 3rd line?

Play him with Draisaitl and Neil. Two playmakers (and plus passers) and a shooter. Or if not Neil, Chiasson.

leadfarmer

Looks like the Hall is done crowd got quiet as hes been playing like a man possessed in his short time in Arizona. Still has his ability to tilt the ice every time he is on it
Lets see what happens when they dont get 935 sp. Wonder if Raanta can stay off IR since he probably plays next 4-8 weeks
Dvorak as #1C is definitely far from ideal

flyfish1168

dustrock:
Man I’m tired from Star Wars late last night.

That was a fun 2 movies jammed into 1 movie.

A fun romp, but not a good film, if that makes any sense.

Body can’t handle these late shows anymore dammit.

In my generation a “fun romp” means a roll in the sack. Not sure how to interpret that to watching a movie.

OriginalPouzar

Early intel is that Smith is starting tonight which makes sense to me and as I predicted.

He is going to start either tonight or tomorrow and this gives Koskinen and extra day of rest prior to playing tomorrow and Monday.

Harpers Hair

Wonder if the Coyotes will call up Ivan Prosvetov.

The Russian goaltender has played only 8 AHL games but has a save percentage of .944.

flyfish1168

cowboy bill:
One of Kreider or Toffoli would be a wonderful Christmas present for the top six boys . Merry Christmas to all .

I’m hoping for Andreas Athanasiou. Going into his prime needs a new life line on a new team

Reja

SpotTheLoon:
I’ll never forget Rod Phillips calling that game in 1980 and listening to it on the radio.

We had it so good back in the day. Rod was the best, now we get the pleasure of listening to the reverse engineer door knob Drew Remanda.

ArmchairGM

leadfarmer: Looks like the Hall is done crowd got quiet

There’s a “Hall is done” crowd? Where?

OriginalPouzar

As per Reid Wilkins:

RNH-McDavid-Kassian
Neal-Draisaitl-Gagner
Nygard-Haas-Chiasson
Khaira-Sheahan-Archibald

Granlund and P. Russell extra.

Smith expected to start.

Ryan

flyfish1168: I’m hoping for Andreas Athanasiou. Going into his prime needs a new life line on a new team

He’d be fun on a line with McDavid. 2 Burners on one line then the call. “McDavid’s happy to see you.
to Kassian”

OriginalPouzar

ArmchairGM: Good timing. Condors play their first game in almost a week tonight, I believe.

Tomorrow and Sunday.

Works out perfectly – tomorrow’s game will start after the Oilers game.

Sierra

Durag:
drglen,

Agreed, the GM needs to throw his players a bone at this point. We’re looking at 2 top 6 spots being filled by the likes of Nygaard, Gagner, Chiasson and Khaira. It’s just not good enough.

Agreed, get a NHL scoring winger for the second line.

ArmchairGM

flyfish1168: I’m hoping for Andreas Athanasiou. Going into his prime needs a new life line on a new team

Should be cheap, considering his stat line this year. -35 in 32 games – whew! Not exactly the type of player we need in our top-6 right now. I’d be kicking tires on Columbus’ Josh Anderson if I were Holland. He’s fast and can score goals too, but he also brings a physical brand that teams like St Louis do so well.

Durag

OriginalPouzar:
As per Reid Wilkins:

RNH-McDavid-Kassian

Well look what Santa left in li’l Nuge’s stocking

Sierra

godot10: Why would you play him on the 3rd line?

Play him with Draisaitl and Neil.Two playmakers (and plus passers) and a shooter.Or if not Neil, Chiasson.

Agreed, if they are calling up Benson it has to be to play with offensively talented players.

drglen

OriginalPouzar:
As per Reid Wilkins:

RNH-McDavid-Kassian
Neal-Draisaitl-Gagner
Nygard-Haas-Chiasson
Khaira-Sheahan-Archibald

Granlund and P. Russell extra.

Smith expected to start.

that’s interesting. I think he’s not seeing enough ‘line driving’ by Nuge.

Dustylegnd

LadiesloveSmid: Absolutely. I mean just look at Detroit.

Aside from swapping Lucic/Neal, look at Edmonton’s summer “depth”

quality depth on good teams is most often drafted and developed, hard to blame Holland for our lack of depth considering the shit show Cap structure he inherited…only time will tell if he is the correct hire, but I see a good number of other people more responsible for the shit depth on this team